Night Lord

[pliant edge]

I cant even get to sf 160 bro and how people get so rich and buy stuff its so expensive

[eternal panther]

it's tough

[pliant edge]

Is it worth spending $400 for approx 25k to 30k crystal?

[drifting latch]

100% no

[pliant edge]

Oh okaay. Or does it even worth spending a dolla on this game?

[drifting latch]

Honestly no

But the most worth it crystal packages are the character growth packages

The daily crystal package is decent too

[pliant edge]

Yeah i bought them all and thats it . I forsee myself how much i spend on games there's no end to it.

[drifting latch]

That’s why it’s best to just take it slow

You’re no where close to end game

[pliant edge]

And 1 more question do people here buy their meso in 3rd party?

[eternal panther]

👀

[pliant edge]

Cus how do people sell stuff till 10b ? How to get to 1 b?

[drifting latch]

That is not allowed in this official server is all imma say

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[pliant edge]

Ohh my bad am just wondering how ts get so expensive and people got the meso to pay

[drifting latch]

There’s meso packages from time to time. Also there’s many people who make alts just to farm mesos. Albeit slow but it stacks up.

[pliant edge]

Hi guys which passive should i use? The quads or showdown?

[broken pelican]

depends on ur level

[pliant edge]

Im lvl 170 now. Using showdown. What if im lvl 200? What would u recommend?

[broken pelican]

until 200 u can go for showdown

for bossing quad is better

[autumn vine]

Does anyone main Night lord? Looking for advice on skill wheel setups for AB and bossing along with what hypers I should have now its been updated in the balance patch
Lvl 185 noob

[pliant edge]

Hi which hyper stat should i lvl up? I have 1b is it worth to lvl it to max?

[tired monolith]

Usually its FD first if you’re not capping.

[tired monolith]

I use showdown, four season and sudden raid for my AB skill wheel setup. Pre 200 if you cant 1 or 2 hit mobs then you should consider adding some points on showdown. Maybe reinforce and enhance?

[solemn temple]

What V skill should I max first after finishing boost nodes

Barrage or Shurrikane?

[eternal panther]

barrage

[solemn temple]

It only extends duration right?

1s per level is worth?

[eternal panther]

yea

[pliant edge]

Hi guys able to get the ark soul and sell it off. And i have 5b what should i do now? Upgrade hyper? Buy new weapon? Any suggestions?

[solemn temple]

My vote is new emblem weapon pre 200, nodes after 200

[crystal totem]

I'd say your goal should be level 200, so you should buy a Root Abyss top & bottom, and get both to SF20, which will bring you to SF168 when you swap it out for your outfit right now.
From there, you should try your hardest to get AT LEAST SF 180, but obviously if you can manage to squeeze out SF194 on your gear, level 200 will come faster than SF 180/184.
Any armor that is not emblemed will just be place holders until you make/ buy a CD/ BA emblem BiS piece-- so I would just focus on getting their starforce higher, OR just restart since a legendary or mythic piece is going to be much more expensive to get to SF20 than a unique.

Sure, If you can get a good deal for a mythic lvl 40 jaihin (CD emblem), maybe go for it?
But you don't need damage until level 200 (just my opinion, but not like you're going to be carrying many bosses pre-200). At 200, like Vengg said, nodes will be a priority.
I maxed out my perfect trio boost nodes at level 201, and at the time, only had a mythic lvl 40 Briser (CD emblem) lolllllll. But because of maxed boost nodes, I effectively 2-3x'd my damage and could out DPS a decent amount of people around my level & similar funding.
That just goes to show how important nodes are. Someone mentioned it before, but buying necro isn't a GAME CHANGER, if you don't have all the underlying stats & gear to support the strong weapon-- those underlying stats at level 200 will be your nodes.

Lvl 200+ = buy nodes w/ extra mesos until you max out your 2x perfect trio's (Quad Star, Assassins Mark, and Four Seasons)

[pliant edge]

Thanks for the suggestions. But do you think buying from ts ready made with good stats and sf or make own? Cus i see there's so much effort doing it from scratch.

[crystal totem]

You referring to buying a "finished" top & bottom or all your gear?

Rule of thumb in this game is, buying finished is always cheaper. lol.
But don't need to spend extra money on lvl 50 top & bottom right now, you just need 20SF on each

[pliant edge]

Is this worth buying?

[crystal quail]

i would try to get sf18+ top and bottom, with a decent jahin emblem claw (sf20) . i would also use monster park accessories with sf2 to gain a little bit of sf. your goal is sf 180

once you hit sf180, id suggest buying unique emblem gears and get them to sf 18+ before ranking up. you can repair broken uniques .

[crystal totem]

The item looks fairly priced in my opinion but for you with just over 5b, you shouldn’t be spending 60% of your total funds on one item with SF18.

[eternal panther]

yea

[trim thistle]

hi guys, can you give me some night lord's wallpapers?

[pliant edge]

Guys im not sure what to buy emblem weapon which cost 6b or i can buy 3 emblem stuff for 6b i have 8b rn. Or just upgrade hyper stat? Cus i want more dmg.

[crystal totem]

hyper stats should be after you square away your gear.
What weapon do you have right now? And which weapon are you considering for 6b?

But at the same time, doesn't hurt to utilize the hyper stat discounts from events. Just saying, don't go dropping 2b per maxed hyper stat before you have a viable weapon and some emblem gears.

[graceful salmon]

Yea some details on the equips in question along with your current level and equips (screenshots are ideal) would help us help you better :)

[pliant edge]

Not sure about the market tho. My server so little people selling high lvl stat

And i also have 35k crystal should i spend on GA or mpet if available?

[tired monolith]

GA is a skem imo haha

[pliant edge]

Haha ikr. But i did got lucky sold some of the stuff i get and able to fund 10b meso. So not sure if i might get lucky next time around

[crystal totem]

mpet typically better return for mesos if you're planning on selling the loot you pull

[crystal totem]

What claw do you have right now?
The 2nd to last claw (7 cuts, 3/5 exalt fails, 5.7b) is a reasonable price I think.
Idk though, haven't looked at those prices in a bit, but you can expect 5-10b for lvl 40, but gotta factor in flames, pot, emblem lvl, cuts, etc.

Don't buy the RA hat. Just wait for a muspell (CD%) mythic hat for a good price.
All the other armor, I would just pass on for now.

[pliant edge]

My weapn im using temp

[crystal quail]

for 6-7b, if you wait for one to pop up, you should be able to get an ancient refined claw

at that price should be near max or max sf

claws are cheap atm so id wait a little and check on marlet corresponding to your world

[crystal totem]

Gotcha. LilGzus makes a good point, if you can find an inherit lvl 40 claw, that's a better option for now. Unless you save up or try to make your own necro claw.
None of the claws you sent are a great deal, so I'd say keep focusing on leveling while you lurk the Tradestation.

[pliant edge]

Thanks bro. Making necro would be pain in the arse for me neither i have the resources

[pliant edge]

Worth buying?

[glossy hollow]

If lvl 30 maybe yes

[solemn temple]

Not BiS and not exalted. I would say no

[fringe glacier]

That’s radiant fodder.

[crystal totem]

No.
If you're buying mythic or ESPECIALLY ancient, my suggestion (and probably most people's suggestion) is to buy level xx/40.

Like newfie said, this is 23SF ancient, which is radiant exalt stone fodder to make in alchemy.

[tired monolith]

With emblem? 😨

[fringe glacier]

You’d get more for it as radiant fodder yup.

[solemn temple]

How does NL do in harder bosses? What kind of gear/milestones do u need before even looking at hmag haha

[graceful salmon]

We do great in ark and ok in lomien. Hmag purely skill based, you’ll do as good as you are/your aggro tank let’s you do haha. Mythic emblems are probably a good start, skill level is relevant to gear req minimum. More skill can = lower barrier of entry and vice versa

[pliant edge]

Guys how to get my cp above 10?

[graceful salmon]

don't worry about cp, it'll only distract you. it's a near irrelevant metric as far as your actual strength goes. just continue upgrading the way you've been guided, it's been all helpful/correct from what i've read!

[pliant edge]

Alright thank you. Been following the guide progression written on reddit. Will continue to upgrade as time goes by.

[pliant edge]

Is it worth buying ab package just to rush to lvl 200 with burning or just get crystal at the same cost?

[static ether]

i dont think you can reach 200 training at sf168 (for this remaining burning period) tho, recommend you push for higher sf 180/184 its better this way

[crystal totem]

Yeap, what sat said. Push to higher SF. Not worth the ab package if you’re gonna be in SF168.

[pliant edge]

Should i go with all my eq CD emblem or some with BA? Is it okaay to have a PA on my cape?

[graceful salmon]

Some BA. A couple is fine tbh. You can leave PA on cape for last and then swap it out after you get the rest of your emblems, no harm done haha

[sturdy grotto]

https://youtu.be/66KC3O4V1x8

Thumbnail is a clickbait 😂

[graceful salmon]

So cleannnn! Nice run bro

[sturdy grotto]

Ty bro

[static ether]

nice, the addition of upward jump makes it very convenient to avoid the spins

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[pliant edge]

Is it worth it buying $400-$500] worth of crystal and get about 20-25b on return?

[glossy hollow]

Issit comfirm 20-25b return?

[pliant edge]

I got 10b and fund my first main since im a returning player and spend $2++ on my NL (got 2x mag soul & sell)

And now i bought another crystal pack for $2++ and gotten some stuff that i can sell on Ts. Which counted about another 10b+ in return. Not sure if i overspend or what

[glossy hollow]

I think as for now

Good truth

Return

[pliant edge]

Thanks bro

[fringe glacier]

Still maxing barrage first, or shurrikane now that it gives ied?

[kindred lake]

Please change the attack movement back to the previous one with 4-star shuriken, this new one is not doing well at all

[graceful salmon]

imo still barrage first if you're doing ark+ to minimize downtime of burst

[kindred lake]

in the sense of the dynamics of the movement, that is to say, how the animation does not modify any of the abilities at all.

[pliant edge]

Is this even worth that kind of price?

[pliant edge]

And guys do you think its worth buying 1b worth of 70+hrs of AB?

[fringe glacier]

No not worth it.

[glossy hollow]

Nope

Stil ok if u looking at farming 10m/hr

That’s 700+m

[pliant edge]

Alright thanks already bought those ab but im only ab at 168

Im lvl 197 hoping to get 199 before burning end

[glossy hollow]

Woah

Okok. That’s too@much of ab hahaha

For 197 to 199

Not sure about 168 hmmm

[pliant edge]

Just trying to scout for cheap ab and collect as much as i can for after lvl 200.

[potent heath]

Venom burst at lvl25 in ark run.

U guys plan on maxing it out?

[glossy hollow]

Hmmm. How does your quad look like

[sturdy grotto]

RIP

look like the calculator not counted venom burst passive effect (DoT , etc )

imo

[potent heath]

Im not sure yo

[sturdy grotto]

[glossy hollow]

Anyone got ark + hmagnus for NL? Seems like I can’t find any cos I am stupid night kor d

Lord

[graceful salmon]

Yea, you just need to bring enough dmg to the table and have 120k+ HP. There’s no discrimination towards NL in ark, it’s really the only boss that we shine in atm.

[broken pelican]

Buff NL

[glossy hollow]

U mean n l is best for ark?!?

[drifting latch]

Nerf

[plucky sundial]

Not even close to the best. But we're doing better relative to other classes in Ark, as compared to in Lotus.

[plucky sundial]

It does, but it's mixed in with the active component. That's why the min-max range is so large. The max DMG is from the active damage, while the min DMG is from DOT procs.
And VBs active component is definitely not 100lines per cast.

[graceful salmon]

with all things equal, we quite literally are one of the best in ark -- if not broadly top tier on a tier list.

[plucky sundial]

I'm losing to my group's Pala who has 50k lower MDC than me
I have a lv50 weapon, he has lv44
We both have dominator's pendant at +2
He beats me by ~20%

I'm also barely on par with my group's DK, and I have about 2m MDC over him

Their V1/V2 are maxed, while I have only Barrage maxed, Shurrikane at 20

Eyeballing it, we'd probably rank well, but the gap between us and the top should be quite significant
ie. Not even close to the best

In terms of Battle Analysis comparisons, our lines per second are also not great, at about 75 lines per second on 3 mins (so averaging Barrage ON/OFF). The big drawback here is how hard it is for us to cap our lines, given our average line per second.

[graceful salmon]

comparing to a pally from any other job's perspective would likely yield the same results. they do something like 19k lines in 3 min which is higher than most other classes.

[plucky sundial]

Barrage ON
Quad Star 2577 lines over 119 uses
NLM 1570 lines

Barrage OFF
Quad Star 1173 lines over 120 uses
NLM 798 lines

To no one's surprise, Barrage is a major part of our DPS.
But to be more exact, it is about 67% more lines
From that 67%, 42% is from QS and 25% is from NLM

A bit of rough math and testing against a lv200 enemy (which after testing, Ark seems to be around Lv201)
I have 46k PA and cannot cap NLM with 30TY
I also cannot cap the extra lines from Barrage QS
I am just shy of capping (and my cap's only 19.5m, with a lv50 weapon, anyone with higher cap would find it even harder to cap)

So we're doing 75 lines per second where a good 40%+ of our lines (additional lines from barrage, and NLM while off) are hard to cap

Compared to that, Phantoms are now doing 72 lines per second, among which about 80% of their lines are easily cappable

Night Lords seem to be in a position where it takes a lot more investment to be on par with other classes
Luckily, we do perform OK once we get there, but still, again, not even close to the top, as the difference between the top ~5 classes to everything else below them are quite significant

The recent ADI changes also seemed to boost us in terms of relative strength. I was actually doing worse than my team's DK even with 2m MDC difference, and now we're on par.

We ain't bad, but we're not even in the conversation when considering "best"

[graceful salmon]

How long are your ark runs? Do you notice fluctuations in your performance relative to these two specific teammates based on the run durations?

[plucky sundial]

between 2:30 to 3:15
Usually lasts just shy of 3:00

There's no comparison with the Pala
He always outDPS me, as we have the same burst duration

There is some variation when comparing to the DK
They do damage more consistently, so we would severely outDPS him in the first 90s, while he slowly catches up afterwards

I also do not turn on Barrage anymore after 3mins, as I'll save it for Magnus instead, so the quicker the run ends, the higher my relative dps
Over the course of an exactly 3 minute run, though, we do about the same dps, with me tending to do less coz I have to move around more

[tired monolith]

Any idea if our NLM can actually hit orbs in ark if its too close?

[glossy hollow]

I jusy realise we have dark flare to allow to attack during continuous reflection. Do you guys use it? For what boss, does it help if I node utc .

It?

[tired monolith]

Yes it helps a bit for bossing

[normal vector]

anyone know if shadow clone applies to Shurikane/Sudden raid/dark flare?

[graceful salmon]

Last time I tested, does not for any of those 3. My shurrikane tests were sure botched tho, but it didn’t look like it haha

[crystal totem]

Yeah I throw it on with curse, so now we can place dark flare + curse every 30 seconds (since curse CD changed to 5sec, but lasts 45sec)

[glossy hollow]

Oh so u still use dark flare and curse for boss both tgt

[crystal totem]

Yeap. I don’t have a lotus team but I use flare/ curse in Arkarium

And all bosses under Ark

[glossy hollow]

Got itn

Probably I’ll set this way too

[normal vector]

anyone know is Hyper works with shadow clone?

will it be 36 lines?

oh nvm it does

[eternal panther]

It does

[weary cedar]

lotta good info here

[weary cedar]

It looks kinda meh

[weary cedar]

Why is your NLM so low?

[potent heath]

Still learning how to do better bro...

[weary cedar]

It’s a passive tho, nothing to learn

😂

It just happens

[potent heath]

Any idea how to make it higher?

[weary cedar]

Not sure

My NLM was more than half QS

[potent heath]

Wow!!!! If only i could make my NLM half of QS!!!! Not sure what im lacking..care to share stats?

[kindred lake]

I think it's because he's capping his mark lines

[weary cedar]

Not just that

I have 3418 NLM lines compared to 5640 QS which is 60.6%

He has 1915 NLM lines compared to 4349 QS

which is only 44%

Way less NLM procs

Not sure why

Did you use v1 @potent heath

[potent heath]

Def using v1....if I don't use it i think my guildies would kick me outta ark runs

[weary cedar]

If u apply 60.6% to his 4349 qs lines and multiplied by the 15.48m average it would be 40.8b dmg, 11b more than his 29.5b

Missing a lot of damage from NLM lines

[kindred lake]

Hmm he had more barrage uptime %

His Ark run was 2:34, so if it was 3:00 the Quad % goes down, Mark % goes up

[weary cedar]

Assuming he has max v1, that’s 90s of v1 in a 154s run

58.4% uptime

My v1 isn’t maxed, it’s only like 76s I think, but I used it at the 3 min mark too, so like…76 + 28 let’s say in a 3:28 run

104s uptime in a 208s run

So 50%

[kindred lake]

Yeah so I think barrage uptime = higher Quad lines, but same Mark lines

[potent heath]

Yes ive maxed v1

[weary cedar]

No, barrage uptime = more mark lines

[kindred lake]

Okay idk what I'm talking about lol

Sry

[weary cedar]

“Doubles the amount of mark lines”

When you QS with barrage up

[weary cedar]

^ based on what Ronald posts, I guess technically the NLM % does go down

But it’s still over 60%

1570/2577 = 60.9%

798/1173 = 68%

The ratio of NLM lines to QS lines should be somewhere in the 60-68% range

[potent heath]

Could it be that you activated v1 twice? Hence its higher in that sense?

Cuz my runs is fairly shorter. I only use 1x v1

[weary cedar]

The % goes up when barrage is down, I was mistaken

Because QS gets 3 lines and mark gets 2 lines

But it’s still over 60%

Based on what Ronald posted his line count was with v1 on and off

[potent heath]

Just my wild guess....could it be that you're running high CD vs BA ratio?

I mean....i kinda feel our skills is leaning towards high CD (NLM,SP)

[weary cedar]

That shouldn’t affect the number of lines tho

Only the damage per line?

[potent heath]

That is also true...but do u activate v1 once or twice?

Hehehehee my bad is that i save my v1 for mag runs. Kinda back to back runs

[weary cedar]

We do back to back ark and mag runs too

I activated twice, but my v1 isn’t maxed and my run was longer

I had 104 seconds of v1 in a 208 second run

Yours was 90 seconds in 154 second run

[potent heath]

I dont usually do 2x v1 in ark runs....just once will do till 5% hp left. Im guessing the 2x barrage does contribute to the variant...

Not too good in math but just a wild guess

[weary cedar]

V1 drops the % tho it looks like

[potent heath]

This is my best run....still trynna figure out how to best those DB.

Care to do some math on this?

Im gettin thrashed by more inferior geared chars

[kindred lake]

@potent heath you have a shade in your party right?

@weary cedar and you don't?

[weary cedar]

I forgot if we did that run, we do sometimes

[weary cedar]

This is in line with my run

2190 NLM lines with 3609 QS lines = 60.7% ratio, almost exact same as my 60.6% ratio

[potent heath]

Ahhhhh......i cant remember if this run has shade innit though we have them once awhile....afaik...this might have shades

[weary cedar]

Maybe that other run was a fluke

Your best run has more NLM lines

[weary cedar]

You won’t beat DB

Only way is to reroll

NL can’t beat DB in anything rn

[potent heath]

Uurrrggĥhh!!!! Tell me bout it.......quite frustrating

[weary cedar]

Db is like #1 dps right now

#1 in lotus

[potent heath]

Theyre nexons golden child....

[weary cedar]

DB is tier 0, we are tier 2

Not even playing the same game

85b dpm on boss vs 65b dpm

[potent heath]

@kindred lake might be on somethin here....shade does play a big role in this variant. Whilst im not sure which run we did with/without them....usually the best run is with them (shades)

[kindred lake]

Idk how split works though

[potent heath]

Dont have much runs with shades but if it applies to us...prolly applies to other char too!!

[kindred lake]

I'm talking out of my ass

Really have no explanation for that first run you posted though

With only 44% mark lines

Fingers crossed that we'll be OP after v3 though 🤞

[eternal panther]

Nah nl needs v4 to be op

[potent heath]

Agreed

[potent heath]

Doubt v3 gonna make us OP

If any...wish we dont get nerf further.

[kindred lake]

The 1,915 mark lines is consistent with no barrage activated... yet your Quad lines show you used barrage

Sounds like a bug

I wonder if there's a party skill that breaks the 2x mark from barrage

[fresh widget]

what's NL's v4? any preview?

[weary cedar]

The bombs I think

[fresh widget]

i see!

[graceful salmon]

throw blasting. adds truck loads of lines to your attacks

[eternal panther]

Barrage 2.0

[fresh widget]

sick! cant wait!

[eternal panther]

And 6th job

[graceful salmon]

[normal vector]

is it suppose to be those blades that fly out? looks similar to DB's v4

[eternal panther]

Seems like it

[normal vector]

do you think NL should prio max V3 over V2?

[eternal panther]

When using quad

Not sure until it comes out

The stats

[normal vector]

what was the point of them showing us the first 2 seconds? is it suppose to be a upgaded quad star?

[eternal panther]

Yeah and looks like a domain effect to quad

[normal vector]

domain effect?

is that some V6 stuff

[eternal panther]

The animation effect

The background

[normal vector]

wow 1 V3 > 2x V2

in 1 minute

[eternal panther]

where video

[crystal totem]

That's exciting!

[normal vector]

https://youtu.be/nLgRo30NG8g

[fresh widget]

i see the cooldown of v3 is quite long

[kindred lake]

Supposedly 90s cooldown at level 1, 60s when maxed

[fresh widget]

oh 60s isn't too bad!

[tired monolith]

So max out v3 > v2?

[normal vector]

might just be the case not sure

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsp1I_frpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWNu3zgHMZA

forever 4 lines

[eternal panther]

[sturdy grotto]

[glossy hollow]

Which is the v3 video

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7tfGa01Rg

a clearer showcase of 6th job

that domain skill

reminds me of Satoru Gojo domain ability

@eternal panther

[eternal panther]

Domain expansion

[sturdy grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-domain-expansion-gif-19197982

[broken pelican]

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBEFop5zFHM

[sturdy grotto]

Guys venom burst should be the last v skill to max right ? Am i correct ?

[graceful salmon]

now that we have battle analysis to give us proper data, it looks like it's the least useful. just like in pcms

[sturdy grotto]

😂

ok bro Ty 🙏

[eternal panther]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1121351999041052733/1121354108142616646/4141500.screen.gif?width=1058&height=625

[weary cedar]

Venmo burst mega dookie

Don’t even have that shit equipped 😂😂

[potent heath]

Sure hope they do somethin bout it in coming patches.

[crystal totem]

hmmmmmmmmm, I always have it equipped, might try the training grounds without it and see what other nodes would boost damage instead of venom burst

[weary cedar]

If your venom burst is level 1 it does nothing basically over the regular venom we have

[crystal totem]

level 5

[weary cedar]

The regular ticks are about half that of NL passive venom

But then it makes up the damage with the active skill + active ticks

So it’s close to same dmg overall

[crystal totem]

ahhhh ok gotcha, thanks!

[fringe glacier]

Our v3 looks decent.

[glossy hollow]

Really decent?!?

Lol

Hopefully 1/2 more dps

[drifting latch]

Lmao definitely not 0.5 more dps

It’s not v1

[eternal panther]

V4 is

[normal vector]

V4 is passive and active?

[broken pelican]

[eternal panther]

Yup

[fringe glacier]

I thought we were getting the throwing bomb one but this one looks alright as well. I’m not familiar with it anyways.

[eternal panther]

That's v4

[fringe glacier]

So our v3 is just a buffed mark?

[drifting latch]

https://youtu.be/mDDDumpILLY?t=164

[fringe glacier]

Yes I seen it.

Have to wait to see the patch notes to know exactly.

[graceful salmon]

values tbd, but dark lords omen (v3) is a stationary aoe summon that detonates bigger dmg after duration is up or when pressed again and provides a buff while it is up to supplement our burst

[sturdy grotto]

It would be funny if the V3 skill itself can proc mark of assasion too

[broken pelican]

it cant at least not in gms

tested yesterday to watch how the skill is

on pc he dont proc with mark

[fringe glacier]

Is it gonna make NL great again?

[sturdy grotto]

i think it’s not 🤣

maybe v4 will make us great again lol

[potent heath]

Would be lucky enough if the v3 doesnt attack the towers in arkarium

[broken pelican]

no

will help us abit to do more aoe in lotus at least in phase 1

[fringe glacier]

[sturdy grotto]

They should adjust our Shurrikane to be like KMSM in this patch !

Sadly it not happen

[weary cedar]

NL still gonna be mid tier dogshit dps

While bringing no utility or mobbing skills like shade or bish or evan

[glossy hollow]

Lol

The new skill

Do u guys get it?

[broken pelican]

what they did in kmsm?

[sturdy grotto]

They reduce the lock state duration and increase hit count
The result will be the same but i think it come in handy than before when you use it

[broken pelican]

much better

[crystal quail]

i agree , bishop should be at the very bottom of dps chart by far. they so useful as support for bossing amd training, they don't need to be on par with bossing classes such as nl

[graceful salmon]

Nope. Patch didn’t happen yet

[graceful salmon]

Oh shoot I didn’t realize last resort was v3 thief. That’s big burst dmg buff

Double tap last resort coupled with dark sight and shadow walker

[broken pelican]

yeah need to combo it perfectly

i wondere how hard the evd penalty will affects us in non DS times

[graceful salmon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if 2nd stage makes us get hit 100% of the time. But I hope not

[normal vector]

We just need to tap it once?

A little confused about the second stage

[graceful salmon]

Press once = stage 1
Press twice = stage 2

[normal vector]

How does stage 2 exactly@work

Do we just go straight to stage 2 to maximize dps?

Or do we linger stage 1 for a bit?

[graceful salmon]

Im sure there’s uses between the two, (depending on how hard you cap) but stage 2 is the shorter and bigger buff version and was what was commonly used in pcms for burst buffing a NL. I don’t think you can use both stages effectively tho.

If stage 2 duration is shorter or equal to darksight I think it’ll always be stage 2 use

[graceful salmon]

Fake numbers used for values:
Stage 1

FD +5%
Duration 15 seconds
Stage 2
FD +10%
Duration 10 seconds

[normal vector]

I see

Wish it granted I frame

[graceful salmon]

Would be nice. Even into v4 we still don’t get an iframe. Unless msm adds it specially for us like how they did to dark sight

[normal vector]

So unless the PC version adds more if tame then we won’t get it

[sturdy grotto]

It’s funny how google has translate this skill from korean language 😂

It is “ Ready to die “

[crystal totem]

buff quad star, plz & ty

[normal vector]

any consensus on how to use last resort

Omen skill descrition says additioinal crit rate... but also says boss atk 30%

typo perhaps?

[sturdy grotto]

anyone already max omen yet ? please shared some SS 🙏

[normal vector]

i tested omen and did instant explode = 72m damage with 29 lines
let it run = 1.02B dmg with 601 lines

[glossy hollow]

Hao to use another skill

So within 10 sec I need

Click one more time to

Go second phase.

?

[glossy hollow]

So guys. Will u rather don’t tap twice for that skilll

[eternal panther]

max damage don't tap it

[normal vector]

Omen or last resort

[eternal panther]

omen

[broken pelican]

woked up right now

give me 5min both are maxed

🤣

[sturdy grotto]

ok ty bro 🤣

[broken pelican]

last resort

Dark Omen

[sturdy grotto]

Thanks so much bro 🙏

[drifting latch]

Not lvl 30 tho

[broken pelican]

now it is

[drifting latch]

[broken pelican]

forgot to set the skill points from matrix

[normal vector]

How many nodes did u use

And is it better to craft v skills or nodestones now with shards??

[broken pelican]

i had everything rdy already

waiting like a year now for this patch

[normal vector]

Wow

[tired monolith]

Max v1 > v3 > v2 correct?

[normal vector]

Seems like it

[sturdy grotto]

Would you mind to share your skill hotkey a bit ?

I'm having a little problem setting up new skills. 😔
@broken pelican

[broken pelican]

still at work dont made my skill wheel yet

[normal vector]

Did you craft any nodestones or V skills to level it

[weary cedar]

Seems like

Last resort p1 is better

[normal vector]

How and why

[weary cedar]

Doesn’t matter for us really

You should be capping without it

Until you exalt more or they raise the cap, last resort probably won’t do much for you

[normal vector]

My ark run

[crystal totem]

What lvl is your shurrikane and omen?

[normal vector]

shurikane lvl 12 and Omen level 6

[plucky sundial]

Shurrikane > Omen with both at lv20 as well

But levelling Omen > Shurrikane in terms of priority it seems
Shurrikane is a lot easier to cap, so the marginal increase is just the extra lines from the increased duration every 5 levels

Omen seems cappable, but you need lv20+
I'm not capping with lv20 Omen and 46.5k PA, even when Bleed Dart and Shadow Walker on (just barely not capping, 20m mdc)

The cd reduction is also probably better than Shurrikane's duration icnrease

[plucky sundial]

Stage 2 is useful for SC, syncing up with DS4, maybe?

[tired monolith]

Anyone can share their skill wheel and preset? 😰

[muted matrix]

Should I be focus on trying to cap my clone or trying to up my MDC for now? My MDC is 15m now

[supple yarrow]

Anyone can show omen skills description. Thanks.

[potent heath]

On the left is my presets. I link omen+shurikane. The right is omen at max (+5)

Note:
Omen CD = 60s
Shurikane CD = 30s

[tired monolith]

Is venom burst good?

[potent heath]

This is my best run in ark so far. I think its bad but if you have nth more to lvl up can consider it since its a convenient dmg as its almost no cast time at all

[weary cedar]

They aren’t exclusive of each other

[muted matrix]

I'm thinking if I should spend on mag on sec weapon etc. Or main weapon mag

[weary cedar]

Mag always on main weap first

Mdc is best but you need damage to keep going up with it

[muted matrix]

I see... Thank you! My clone dmg is not capping yet... My MDC is 15m but my clone dmg max is about 12-13m

[weary cedar]

Omen is kinda hard to cap

SD is so low

[graceful salmon]

Your clone dmg will most likely never cap, if that makes you feel better haha

[muted matrix]

Actually I thought everyone's clone dmg is capping that's why. But thank you!

[weary cedar]

think about it this way, ur clone is 35% of ur total dmg

so to cap, u have to do 2.857x ur cap

43m QS real lines

to cap clone

[normal vector]

so maxed V3 is about 9% of your damage

@weary cedar

[normal vector]

dont u detonate early if u link omen with shurikane? cuz sometimes when i press shurikane while omen is casted, the omen detontates

[weary cedar]

its definitely worse than shurrikane lol i think

isnt omen supposed to be 598 lines

why is he only getting 730 with 2 casts

[normal vector]

prolly boss got killed in middle of duration lol

[weary cedar]

idk, all that matters is that its not bad

and worth maxing

eventually gonna max v2 and v3 both

[kindred lake]

I think it's better than shurrikane at higher levels

[potent heath]

It does shows more in a longer runs. I think he died in the middle of duration like @normal vector said

[potent heath]

Hmmm...never had that problem. Maybe my fingers werent that quick

[graceful salmon]

Pls excuse my crooked pic stitching lol

[normal vector]

your excused

[graceful salmon]

[muted matrix]

Yea hahaha will have to push really high to attain the cap

But thank you so much

[weary cedar]

both require 1200 mp, seems pretty even

that doesnt tell us shit

omen says 1 target for 3 hits at 240% SD and lasts 15 seconds

the battle analyzer tells us it hits 598 lines

how the fuck do you calculate 598 based on that shitty skill description

[normal vector]

So it hits 13.33x over 15 sec
Total of 200 times
3x200 = 600 ~ 598 🤣

[graceful salmon]

Gonna just have to run both maxed and see which did more at the end. Unfortunately my omen is only lv18 so I’m useless for that. Only maxed NL v1 & v2 from my 1200 nodes lol.

@broken pelican you have everything maxed right? Can we see your battle analysis to compare them?

[eternal panther]

So omen stronger than shurrkane?

[supple yarrow]

Dark omen only target 1 monsters? So if use it on a sf map does it attack multiple mob?

[sturdy grotto]

It’s multiple .

[supple yarrow]

Wow. Alright. This is very clear. Haha thanks

[graceful salmon]

The only reference I have so far is a scuffed ark run with non-equal levels, but it kinda tells a story already I think 👀

Lv30 shurrikane
Lv18 omen

[eternal panther]

omen for sure

[graceful salmon]

At lv18 it still has 75sec cooldown. Maxed it’ll have 60sec, +36% homing star skill dmg, +48% explosion skill dmg, +3.6% IED

[eternal panther]

Better too since lvling increases damage and reduce cooldown

[sturdy grotto]

lvl 30 Omen ?

[kindred lake]

Level 11

It goes crazy during Lotus lasers idk why

[sturdy grotto]

oh !!

[sturdy grotto]

i think because it has so many targets to atk ( laser core , bomb )

[mighty parrot]

Have you tried/thoughts on having sudden raid in your quad star skill wheel as well?

[potent heath]

No i havent tried that

[graceful salmon]

Targets the boss if a boss is present

Prob cuz it can attack nonstop while you need to move+attack

[sturdy grotto]

yea bro i forget about that 😂

[broken pelican]

didn’t had time to make a full batle analysis very busy lately in rl. But will run lotus tomorrow

[graceful salmon]

Dang yeah I regret maxing shurrikane over omen hahaha. My lotus run shows similar results: Big gap between shurrikane and omen

[graceful salmon]

excited to see bro!

[graceful salmon]

altho my ark PR has shurrikane at 13.79% and omen at 12%

[eternal panther]

Ur adi hyper is maxed right

[graceful salmon]

yea just got it to 20 from lv220 haha

[normal vector]

This is ur lotus run?

[graceful salmon]

Yes, I get carried

[normal vector]

What lvl is ur Omen

[graceful salmon]

18 still

[tired monolith]

Are you using sudden raid and four season in preset?

[graceful salmon]

[fresh widget]

https://youtu.be/Xe0WtxC9FBQ

NL post v3

[graceful salmon]

Wow spamming a preset with omen in it doesn’t detonate it?!

TIL

[fresh widget]

Yea, apparently if the skill is in CD it doesn't rotate to that skill in the preset

[fresh widget]

whats TIL? haha

[graceful salmon]

That’s awesome!

[graceful salmon]

Today I learned LOOOL

[fresh widget]

haha we all learn new things everyday haha

[normal vector]

wow i cleared lotus today and notice V3 is OP in part 1 lol

[normal vector]

i use sudden raid and shurkane preset
and Hyper + last resort

[normal vector]

this is you?

i watch him all the time lol

[normal vector]

wow you can weave Omen and quad star witout detonating it

[fresh widget]

aww, haha yup that's me. Thanks for watching my growth, been a journey haha

[fresh widget]

yes you can!

[normal vector]

so if you try to weave in Omen and a cooldown skill, it will detonate it? is this right?

[fresh widget]

I didn't try that but i weave it with shuriken and venom, but i think as long as once omen is cast , the skill technically is in cd mode, so the preset rotation just doesn't goes to it, hence it doesnt detonate

[normal vector]

i tried to omen and shurikane but when i did it, it detonated it.. so i didnt want to put them together in boss run and ruin the cast lol

[normal vector]

i got the dash part in P1 from you, where you take the teleport as the laser is abvoe you and then u dash to end of platform lol

dash to end of platform instead of jumping down lol

[fresh widget]

😅

i was trying around to see which one can better optimize the output, i did try blink at some point

but im not confident in that haha

[normal vector]

where is your V2 common?

[normal vector]

haha i have that crafted too in case, but its 15 sec CD

[fresh widget]

i slot it in pet :/ no more buttons!

[normal vector]

ooh, i have it with dark sight

[fresh widget]

ah i shall try this, maybe can pair it with last resort together

[normal vector]

i did that too but i didnt like it lol so i just use last resort everytime its up

[fresh widget]

ohh i put it in pet some times, makes us really fragile haha

imagine in last resort then eating the ball from Ark =X

[normal vector]

dodge thosE!

V3 OP

[fresh widget]

wow, your omen got more lines than your quad?!

[normal vector]

lmaoo i kno rightt

oh wait

oops

wrong one

#2

[fresh widget]

how?! 3use 5.5k lines~

[normal vector]

first pic was for different boss lol

[fresh widget]

oh yea, this #2 make sense haha

[normal vector]

omen lv 13 and shurikane levl 12

[fresh widget]

nicee.. at first i was doubtful about omen when i see the release.. but apparently it did make us more relevant in lotus p1 now

[normal vector]

yaaa, it even has low skill dmg % too

cant wait for V4 lol

[fresh widget]

me too!!

start saving nodes!

[eternal panther]

V4 will double quad lines

[broken pelican]

when you use it when other monsters on the map it raises the lines on the boss or something i heard

[fresh widget]

can't wait!!

[fresh widget]

oh wow that's nice! need to test it

[eternal panther]

Barrage 2.0 basically

And both of them stacks

[broken pelican]

yeah v4 is op

[fresh widget]

same cast and cd time?

[eternal panther]

Not sure

[broken pelican]

if i remember right v4 got a passiv part and a active one

[broken pelican]

will check on GMS later should be +- same in mobile then

[fresh widget]

naisee man... can't wait! GONL!

[broken pelican]

90 sec duration and 180 CD on GMS

same as barrage then

[fresh widget]

oh wow sounds quite sick!

so barrage + throw blasting together?

[broken pelican]

yes

gona be line massacre

[fresh widget]

i hope we get some "skin"/"style" for our throwing star though haha. i miss how the MTK looks in maplepc

[kindred lake]

Which throwing star skins are good? I forget what's available

Haven't logged into PC maple since 2010

Im loving v3 already (level 11)

[potent heath]

I was hoping theyd create a nodestone skin for throwing stars 😅

[normal vector]

sameee

[broken pelican]

wasnt my best run but v3 is very nice and make p1 much better for NL

[normal vector]

Yup seems like omen is #2

[normal vector]

Wow. 22m cap OP

[fresh widget]

sick!

[normal vector]

Haha that’s not me,

[graceful salmon]

That’s crazy. I wish I maxed omen before shurrikane

[eternal panther]

op

[broken pelican]

yes and the bots in P1 helps omen to do even more dmg

[kindred lake]

Should we use Omen when there are more monsters then?

[weary cedar]

v1 + v3 + v4 combined look OP

be back in a year, rebuy all my gear again next june

[fringe glacier]

V4 for Christmas.

[eternal panther]

V4 is for kmsm Christmas

[normal vector]

I’m still gonna use it, if it’s single boss only 🤣

[fresh widget]

so will be later for us i suppose?

[eternal panther]

june 2024

[fresh widget]

omg almost a year wait

[fresh widget]

thanks for the info!

[eternal panther]

np

[normal vector]

do you guys use V2 lock or unlock for af grinding?

[fresh widget]

unlock for grinding, lock for bossing

[normal vector]

thats annoying to keep swithcing back and forth lol

[graceful salmon]

Yeah But even if you forget, just hold down arrow on dpad when you use it for rest of the run after you realize you forgot toggle it LOL. Not so bad once it’s muscle memory

[normal vector]

yea i always play with holding it down to lock lol so i dont need to swich everytime

and then got use to doing it

[graceful salmon]

You can, but I’d still think it could be ideal to use off-cd since it’s uptime also gives you passive BA buff. Then maybe hold it when burst is coming back soon? Will need to play around with it based on how long the cd is I guess. Unless someone alr figured it out 👀

[graceful salmon]

But I feel you. Watching the shurrikane fly across the room the first time when I do forget is just…

[normal vector]

yupp that dps loss lol

[fresh widget]

yea i hope they introduce the settings for skills as well, like how we change from exp set to bossing set, then the skill can preset in that way as well, along with the matrix

[weary cedar]

lock for both cuz im too lazy to switch it every time

lmao

[normal vector]

Lmao

[weary cedar]

i just let it lock on AF maps, whatever

its like probably 2 kill an hour difference

half the time when i let it fly, it flies off to a corner anyways

or off the map

[broken pelican]

same

[graceful salmon]

#msm-qol-suggestions message

[crystal totem]

Make it happen moderator

[fresh widget]

gogo!

[glossy hollow]

Hi guys does perfect trio

If I don’t use mobbing skill to boss

The ignore def and Phy dmg

Won’t applied to my quad dmg?

And overall stats?

So in a way. I jusy need two perfect trio for quad Asisian mark and four season

So I not nesscary need another set of perfect trio for additional stats from Sudaen raid

[fresh widget]

https://youtu.be/wAN9-ld0sf4

Guys, take a look. I think our v1 got bug. I cast it at 3:25 and it was the same time as Lotus knockback me. And it seems like i didn't get the v1 after the cast. Anyone notice these before?

[broken pelican]

never saw this but never focused on it

but it would explain my shit run i had some weeks ago

[normal vector]

Not on v1 but I’ve experience knockback disrupts v2/hyper before

Knock back disrupts our cast it seems

[vestal cedar]

[potent heath]

Happens in ark as well during lightning

[normal vector]

Yea

[kindred lake]

I noticed it before and it's why I stick to EXP jewels for KBK RES now

[fresh widget]

Oh man, so does it mean the skill is meant to be disrupted? or is it a bug? We should cast during a "safe" timing ?

Do we need to report this? Barrage is our only burst with long cd, if it get disrupted like that, it's like taking 1/3 of our over output away~

[sturdy grotto]

have you try to report it in #msm-bug-report yet ?

im not sure it a bug or not 😵‍💫

[weary cedar]

Think thats just how mechanics work

KB interrupts any skill

its very noticeable on phantom mille or WA

since our skills are "instant" they dont really get affected

but if ur unlucky and it hits at the exact wrong moment, the KB interrupts it

[trim prism]

Btw guys, wanna ask what hyper do you all choose after maxing the FD, PDI, Max dmg, Additional chance atk?

[normal vector]

Boss atk

[glossy hollow]

Hi guys. Do we really need sudden raid trio? The cortex trio as for now should be quad, Assasin and four star right?

[graceful salmon]

Hmmm. I feel like it’s messed up to stop buffs

https://tenor.com/view/wack-not-interested-gif-9843818

[fresh widget]

i feel u , especially on vskills cos the impact is too big

[crystal totem]

Yes Quad/Assassin Mark/Four Season

[crisp canopy]

Heya, any1 can help me with vskills, just reached 200 >,<

[graceful salmon]

Others should chime in too, but I’d say the order is looking like: (you don’t need to do it now, it’s super expensive and can wait. Boost nodes first, please haha)

Job v1 (barrage)
Job v3 (omen)
Job v2 (shurrikane)
Class v2 (shadow walker)
Class v3 (last resort)
-placeholder for future vskills-
Class v1 (venom burst)

Some caveats:

1. Shurrikane should potentially be maxed before omen if you will not be doing lotus. Omen shines in lotus p1 due to the bomb adds spawning and increasing the amount of stars omen produces, while it focuses all the dmg onto the boss. Shurrikane shows to carry more weight in ark due to the same reason, omen has less stars produced in ark = less dmg for the duration. However something I haven’t played around with and tested was the effects of the passive BA omen gives while it’s active. Omen could still be better to max before shurrikane based on the results.
2. I don’t have a definitive answer on whether last resort or shadow walker is better to max first yet. I only have them both to 15-16 atm so I can’t even meaningfully test them haha.
3. Venom burst is hot tossed ass, I wouldn’t even craft it tbh

Also congrats on 200!

[potent heath]

To add on. Omen helps a fair bit in farming

[fresh widget]

Nice piece of info for all NLs!

[tidal halo]

Anyone else finding our supposed “burst” no longer quite a burst? even with barrage uptime you see mages hitting harder and faster for like 20s (?V3). Off barrage downtime is just incomparable.
For some reason, have seen kmsm marks totalling more than QS damage.
Need to voice and push for more additional hits/marks from mark of NL

[normal vector]

My lotus run today lol

V3 more damage than quad

[crystal totem]

I feel that. After v3 dropped, I don’t feel as strong compared to other classes, even in the sub 90 second fights.

[graceful salmon]

AYEEEE LFG BRO!

[graceful salmon]

I’m losing to AB’s and xenon’s that I was well above before

Ark*

Lotus slaps tbh with omen

[sturdy grotto]

😭

NL no longer a “burst” class anymore in MSM

[normal vector]

wait for v4

[normal vector]

haha is it good that V3 hit more than quad?

[sturdy grotto]

[crystal totem]

Yeap wtfffffffffff.

[graceful salmon]

Hmmm…I mean, quad gives you “technically” 7.5 lines per use, cuz clone lines are super limp, I would count them as 0.5 of a line per clone line LOL.

Then omen can put out 27-42 lines (depending on bomb count) every second for 15 seconds every 60 seconds at 240% skill dmg if maxed. Plus the 30 lines at 280% skill dmg at the end when it pops. And it smacks even while you’re doing mechs. I guess that’s the new lotus expectation 👀 kinda weird……..

[eternal panther]

#buffNL

[normal vector]

v3 made us viable in lotus

[tidal halo]

It's what we're touted as but honestly not burst at the moment.
Will try and find the video from our Korean counterpart where the NL mark actually did the highest damage.
Think we should all voice and move in that same direction. Our lines are severely limited. No burst, no mark. Truly sadkek

[normal vector]

Forever 4 lines

[tidal halo]

4 lines sadness... our V1 hit count is approx similar to other jobs regular skill hit counts
Bucc's OCTOpunch 8 > 10 > 11 hits now (this one im most salty about - how tf is Octo = 11 if they're keeping Quad = 4)
Bishop's AR 12 > 15 hits
Blast is like ?16 hits or smth now

[fresh widget]

good analysis! i like how u say octo is 11 now which doesnt make sense to keep our quad at 4

[glossy hollow]

What kind of cape should night lord get ah. Sirius? I got nerco, do I still need critical rate?

[normal vector]

wow how is this possible

[tidal halo]

Not sure, but I think their NL mark likely activates more stars. Need to find someone who has kmsm to help gain insight

[kindred lake]

For whatever reason it shows Quad Star lines aren't capping, while Mark lines are capping

Not that mark activates more stars

[graceful salmon]

It looks like they both cap 8719.00 million in that kmsm SS tho, no?

Oh you mean that quad has a much lower minimum hit registered than marks?

[kindred lake]

I'm looking at the avg damage

[graceful salmon]

Oh total dmg by hit count. Very interesting

[plucky sundial]

Probably uncapped barrage lines

[high igloo]

What 5 hyper skills should I put points into?

[plucky sundial]

Quad Star stuff x3

Showdown x2 if you're early on and need it for mobbing
Otherwise, Frailty Curse x2
Which 2 are best are contingent on your stats

[crystal totem]

Agree w/ Ronald. Definitely 2 in showdown if you’re pre-200. I’d argue just go w/ 2 in showdown if you’re not 1-shotting the monsters on your SF/AP field.

[solemn temple]

Which 2 for what stats, both debuff effects or the additional dmg one too?

[crystal totem]

I do additional attack + bountiful enhance

Additional attack if you’re capping, cause it’s an extra line of continuous damage

[plucky sundial]

Basically if you're capping your barrage extra lines and night lord's mark, you want the extra lines on Frailty Curse.
If you're not, then the additional debuff is probably better, because it boosts 60% of your lines.
For which there's no one milestone, as the stats required differ based on your MDC and party composition.

Extra lines is likely the way to go if you're full necro

Extra lines + the PD enhance debuff. Not sure if that's called Bountiful Enhance, as MobNightLord mentioned he takes that one?

[plucky sundial]

^If you want to just set and forget, this is probably the way to go

[crystal totem]

You’re referring to the Enhance one.

Idk the math tbh, I think I just followed someone else when I chose these a long time ago. Maybe I’m missing out on damage going with Bountiful Enhance instead of Enhance????
Here’s the screenshots of the 2 + Curse stats for context.

@graceful salmon which curse hyper passives do you use? And do you know anyone who’s done the testing? Lol

[kindred lake]

Additional Attack is useless

DoT is way too slow

[eternal panther]

adi?

[kindred lake]

Nah the frailty curse hyper

It's low damage because no adi and one line per second

The other two Frailty Curse hypers (Enhance + Bountiful Enhance) are actually helpful

[plucky sundial]

It's still 45 capped lines per cast
Outside barrage, quad star is 18 lines per cast (5 main, 5 clone, 8 marks)
Even with barrage on, quad star is 38 lines per cast, and 12 of these lines are really hard to cap

I say capped lines because 255% skill damage is really easy to cap compared to Mark, ADI and most of all barrage lines.

You'll cap it long before capping those 3

So comes back to whether you can cap your other lines. If you can't, then the extra damage on every single barrage line over 45s is boosting... >1k lines
But 10%PD and 20%CD boost damage by about 2% each.
2% of your barrage lines times 1000 is only 20 lines worth of damage.

that's 20 lines of your barrage's damage, not capped

[crystal totem]

Hmmmmm all good points. May test it this coming week in the new training grounds thing if I find the time. 🙂

[plucky sundial]

Ya my notes on the damage boosts are from quite a while ago (before Battle Analysis), too
Hahaha
How much does resetting hypers cost, again? Might be worth some testing.

[plucky sundial]

But speaking of...
I put the numbers in a calculator, and while the difference is minimal, 20%cd indeed gives more than 10%pd
My bad

No testing yet, though

[kindred lake]

Ok thx for the in-depth explanation

Are you sure 255% is easy to cap without the FD from nodes

I'll probably test out of curiosity but I like the other two Frailty Curse hypers as a party boof

[kindred lake]

Nvm I plugged into dmg calc and you're right. Easier to cap 255% from Frailty Curse even without the FD

10% PD wins for me at 500% crit dmg tho

Ronald made me a believer, I retract my statement that Additional Attack is useless 🙏

I agree with this now

[high igloo]

Hm I’m at about 330% cd unbuffed, should I take the cd reduction hyper on curse then or the extra 10% pd

These are all very good points I’m glad I asked you guys, I assumed that showdown was always the meta

[graceful salmon]

I use bountiful enhance and additional attack. I’m unsure, I went with what nino recommended haha

[solemn temple]

What kind of gear is needed to start capping clone lines 👀

I have necro wep lvl 40 and all lvl 5 emblems 5 cd / 2 ba. Just wondering what else

I do need to work on legion and link

[crystal totem]

Probably not going to get to capping clone line. Clone lines are 35% of damage.
Depends on MDC I guess. If your MDC is low, you probably could have the chance of capping but let's say you push to 20m+ MDC, you probably won't be capping clone lines.

Haven't mathed it out, maybe someone else can chime in.

[solemn temple]

But isn't barrage 25%? Why are people talking about capping that then

[crystal totem]

Good point... I think cause Barrage says "deals damage equivalent to 25% of the Final DMG."
Not sure if that math checks out either but that's my current thought.?

[solemn temple]

So youre saying it does 25% final damage, then that gets boosted again by all stats. Whereas shadow partner does 35% of base damage which gets boosted

So in that way each V1 line is way more?

[tidal halo]

If I'm not mistaken (please correct me if im wrong), only the main line for V1 works with clone. The extra 3 stars in 3 other directions are just flat 25% damage which is why at current hit count it doesn't feel like a burst anymore

[solemn temple]

Jeez #BuffNL

[tidal halo]

tbh it really pales, but not too sure why there aren't more #buffNL requests out there..

4 (+1) lines + 5 lines shadow partner (0.3x)
4 lines x3 other directions (at 0.25x)
(Not accounting for NL marks)
Most jobs hit the above hit counts with their usual bossing/non-burst skills

[vestal cedar]

#BUFFNL

[crystal totem]

#BuffNL

[crystal totem]

Seriously.
Buff Quad star.
7 hits plz thx

[eternal panther]

#buffNL

[broken pelican]

that wont happen but make the atk speed faster of quad and double up mark of assassins and there atk speed and we should be fine again

BuffNL

[sturdy grotto]

Nino was right 👍

BuffNL

[eternal panther]

quad back to 400%

[plucky sundial]

The 10% makes a big difference
Against enemies with 0 defense
50ty buff on with
My PA is 46.8k, using 3+3 mlabel, missing 1 component of Commander set

All temporary buffs on (Bleed Dart, Shadow Walker, Last Resort)
Clone lines are doing 26.0m (and even with 36k PA, if you have all sources of BA/CD/etc covered, you'll be doing 20m)
Barrage lines are doing 18.6m
Night Lord's Mark lines are doing 24.1m
ADI lines are doing just shy of 21m

Without Bleed Dart/V2/V3
Clones are still hitting 22m
Barrage drops all the way to 15.7m
Mark drops all the way to 20m

So Clones can be capped sort of
Mark becomes an issue once you start exalting past 40
Barrage lines... that requires top investment to maybe cap... Mythic Flames, SSS Jewels, the whole shebang

And we do see a much larger drop in damage when using 30ty vs 50ty compared to other classes with higher skill dmg (can cap more of their lines with less buffs)

For reference, I did a rought count of "small" vs "big" lines
40% of our lines are barrage + mark + adi (3min test, so 50% Barrage uptime)

In contrast, Phantoms have 20% small lines
And their small lines are bigger than ours

Increasing Mark and QS's skill DMG% by even just 10% would be a huge boon for us

This is partially solved by having certain classes in the party during bossing (such as WH buff or Bucc buff)
But ya... not sure how everyone else's experience is, but I struggle to do well in solo content like SC

[plucky sundial]

Approximately around these stats:
40k PA
100 PA%
120 PD%
140 BA%
360 CD%
25 FD%
And you'll cap at around 18m with only Bleed Dart + 50ty on
Best to plug your stats in a dmg calculator and see... there's too many variables to give a good estimate of a stat distribution

Not sure if sharing files is permitted here, but here's a damage calculator with NL skills on it

[solemn temple]

Got it ty

[high igloo]

Someone said to get around 400-450% cd and 100% ba for a good balance

I’m wondering is it really necessary or you think focusing on ba is better

I currently have 310% with 0 buffs

[plucky sundial]

I'm at 370% no buffs
4.5/3.5 CD/BA emblem split
Not 100% sure, coz can't really test, but if my math is correct, the best distribution for me is 8 CD emblems...

I do have 143.4% BA from somewhere though, so that's probably why

[plucky sundial]

But yeah, this sounds about right
Just note if you're using exp flames right now, you'll probably see a sharp drop in CD when you switch to non-exp flames

[high igloo]

I am trying to build up my hp now

I think phy atk to max hp is a good consistent stat

Phy attack to boss attack isn’t bad either but I don’t think it gives as much due to the scaling

[plucky sundial]

PA to HP is best
PA to MP is second best
PA to BA is third best, but with negligible difference to MP

[high igloo]

Yeah I’m gonna start re flaming once I get at least 100k exp

I mean hp*

[plucky sundial]

You'll get more with boss accessories, SS jewels, RA/Commander monster collection title, Legion, Refining Secondary Weapon

eventually it becomes quite close to MP flames

[high igloo]

I’ve been trying to do the monster collection for 3k

[plucky sundial]

but yes, if you get double HP flames, never change them

[plucky sundial]

This doesn't apply to flames

[high igloo]

Those 2* monsters are really hard to get

[plucky sundial]

It helps with survivability, but won't increase your PA

[high igloo]

Oh it’s just to build hp

During cold time when I’m not abing

[plucky sundial]

Yep
It's considered a passive skill, so doesn't apply to flames

[high igloo]

Ah i see

[plucky sundial]

Will definitely help
You want 120k for Ark

[broken pelican]

need to watch more then i thought i cap barrage

[tidal halo]

wow, barrage lines are pretty sad. Didn't know it came up to less than our ADI lines

[plucky sundial]

ADI used to be worse
But after the ADI changes, its skill damage is at a respectable 200% now

[kindred lake]

You probably do cap barrage bc of level bonus

[normal vector]

Rip another patch with no Nl buffs

[solemn temple]

When quint star 😂

Question, when I turn my boots necro should I go evade or crit atk option?

[graceful salmon]

Players have been going with evade

Since they have fair trade

[solemn temple]

Gotcha ty

[eternal panther]

need buff

[tidal halo]

Any NLs here cleared Dojo 44/45 yet? Defo needs buff - so many classes are clearing slowly but surely, ans it's still hard af for us

[glossy hollow]

Ya can’t tank

[kindred lake]

I've cleared before but F44 is hard

Can't do it consistently

[broken pelican]

in my server unbuffed until 43 is enough for rank 1 so never tryed even

[tidal halo]

Any idea how do archer class like WH, mercedes etc clear it? Isn't their survivability meant to be worse than NLs?

[kindred lake]

Idk what other classes have, but it would be cake for me if we had one more iframe skill

[broken pelican]

i think we the biggest classcanon in the game

[hazy stirrup]

Can anyone share hyper skills order and what should I add ?

[sturdy grotto]

pre 200 the order should be like this

141 - showdown +fd
151 - quad star +fd
161 - quad star +hit count
171 - quad star +boss atk
181 - up to you

[hazy stirrup]

Is there emblem ratio I should follow

Like 4 cd 4 ba example

[sturdy grotto]

im not sure about it too

mine use 5 : 3 cd : ba rn

[plucky sundial]

Practice to dodge everything.

Jump for Tornado
Dash through for ball/touch
Safe spot for fire floor/exploding purple thing

Save Dark Sight for emergencies and hope for the best wrt rotations

Archers probably have it easier because of the longer dash. It's much easier to get to the other side when she walks towards you or does the ball attack. We have a narrower timing window to dodge.

[kindred lake]

The hard part is hero will (and will of erda) for bomb

[tidal halo]

Is there a way for the fire floor to more reliably make the fire floor/purple pillar thing come more consistently with safe spots? >70% of the time there's no safe spot

[crystal totem]

Nope, can clear 43 ezpz but cannot get past 44 😦

[urban timber]

Dear NL experts, what should I work on next? (Other than levelling up to 200+🤣)

My goal is to be able to join end game boss runs (lotus/damien).

I am currently working on legion, increasing my hyper stats & emblems levelling. Exalt gears to Iv50 will hold for awhile.

Should I go for double RA (top/btm) or go for overall & work towards chaos absolab?

Thanks!!

[glossy hollow]

Lotus and Damien is still very far lol

But surely one day u can do it

[crystal totem]

RA top/bottom for now. Get those and get 2L PA flames on each piece.

Other than that, your resources should 99% be going to getting lvl 200 (meaning buy AB if needed). Maxing your boost nodes + v skills will bring you a massive damage boost. People with shit gear can out DPS good geared characters if one is under lvl 200 and the other has maxed boost nodes.

[hazy stirrup]

What did you pick for 181?

[urban timber]

Thank u sir 🫡

[dense cradle]

hey guys , any thoughts about what emblem is better for NL ?

lets say i have 4/4 (BA/CD) , so basicly the question whats scale better with our skills befor hitting caps

im around 15m power 23~ich k attack

50%Crit rate

[graceful salmon]

the goal with emblem ratio is mainly to help you know ahead of time how to achieve roughly 400-450% CD, then the rest goes into BA. 4:4 isn't bad, but you can go 1 or 2 more CD and still be ok if you wanted to! above 450% CD is where people begin to see noticeable diminishing returns when ran thru the dmg calc. being a little CD heavy seems to be the more popular setup for us rn

[glossy hollow]

Hi should I chnage my combat order to four season star ?

For ark

[high igloo]

Your trios should’ve been quad, assassins mark, and four seasons. Sudden raid doesn’t do much dmg and is too long of a cd compared to four seasons for bossing

[plucky sundial]

Put your matrix points into Barrage. It's by far the most impactful Vskill for NL.
And yeah, the extra points in Four Seasons would probably be better than DCO.

[glossy hollow]

Ah got it bro. Thanks for revamping for me

[glossy hollow]

Yes am finding those trio. Yet to find. So I can only use this for now which require lots of slot

[glossy hollow]

Btw do your guys use FD soul? Issit better than ba,

[plucky sundial]

Depends on a few factors.

1. Which FD soul you're talking about
2. What MDC Soul you have
3. How much PA to BA flames you have

Generally speaking, FD soul that matches your MDC Soul is the best
FD Souls starting from RA-tier are also generally going to be better than BA

If you're using RA MDC Soul, it's not particularly worth it to use VL/Cygnus FD Soul
If you have no PA-BA lines, then FD VL will be better, but not by much
FD Cygnus will be straight up worse because the extra PA from the set bonus is better, and you get higher nominal BA from RA souls

Lastly, not really about which is better, but BA souls are just a lot more affordable
In fact, it's practically free
Save your mesos and just go for BA with set bonus PA

I didn't really do the exact math, but if you have the meso to spare, you might as well spend it on going full Necro 50 or maxing your Vskills
If you need the damage boost to cap, getting some decent nodes to lv8 can help, for a lot cheaper and far less RNG

[oak laurel]

Hi is there a skill build guide?

[potent heath]

I'm using cygnus FD (belt cape shoulder) cause it's cheap and i wanna find out if the additional FD would bring the min dmg up. There's not much math involved but i did see a slight increase in min dmg and my total dmg did went up about 5%. Both dps/dpm did see a slight increase as well.

[plucky sundial]

Huh... that's my bad, then
Due to the cost involved in switching souls, I didn't do actual tests, only simulations
I guess my BA flames played a much larger role in it than I roughballed

Did you start with on-set BA soul?

[potent heath]

I was on the exact track as u. Full set ba + weapon mdc(hilla)

I was switching between cd and even other souls ba and cd. So i tried cygnus fd. Somehow the increase is more than ba n cd. I don't advise going for cygnus fd either but if you're bored and wanna try a small gain just for the rush and if 5% min dmg is good for you then can give it a shot.

I've also switched out 1.5k PA to see if it makes a diff. Unfortunately it didn't make much diff as compared to the FD.

It could be just my feeling but i find that if you're capping. The best returns is actually mdc,fd, cd/ba depending on your setup

[plucky sundial]

I'm guessing I underestimated the effect of flames then
Because I'm getting 200+ PA from adding 3.3% BA (including set bonus PA)

That's probably why I calculated BA being better

But I'll have to revisit my calculator, too I think

I'm seeing a 1% boost just about from adding 3% FD, apart from on Vskills
But my vskills are capping way beyond my cap, anyways
This is due to the FD boost from nodes
But if you got 5% damage increase from 9% FD (not even including the reduction of BA/CD), the damage formula I'm using is definitely way off

[plucky sundial]

1.5k PA didn't drop your damage?

That's interesting... a rough benchmarking had me equating 1k PA to about 6% FD

my calculations are way off

hahahaha

[potent heath]

You could try removing some PA and try it on battle analysis. I've dropped 1.5k to try in battle analysis. Didn't feel much of a diff but that's a 1min test. Could be diff after cool down takes effect... it certainly didn't feel much diff in ark where target is not 100%,still

[plucky sundial]

What level did you set the statue at?

[potent heath]

Lvl210 at 40% def . I'm at lv228

[plucky sundial]

and this may be a silly question, but how'd you drop 1.5k PA?
Unequip LSW?

[potent heath]

I swap out the msw for usw

[plucky sundial]

Cool.
Just thought of a cheap way to test FD, too
Just do a 30s test with SW on vs off
At lv1, it's a 9.2% FD boost, roughly equal to 3 cygnus FD souls

[potent heath]

Hehehehe share the results too!!!!

[plucky sundial]

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with DSI (9%BA, 3.4%PA)
QS 10.08M | 3.09M | 6.34M
V2 6.22M | 5.63M | 5.93M
Mark 3.16M | 2.76M | 2.94M

no DSI, on SW lv11 (11.2%FD)
QS 10.06M | 3.09M | 6.32M
V2 6.40M | 5.80M | 6.10M
Mark 3.18M | 2.78M | 2.97M

no DSI, no SW lv11, DSI still equipped (3.4%PA)
QS 9.75M | 2.98M | 6.17M
V2 5.98M | 5.07M | 5.68M
Mark 3.08M | 2.68M | 2.88M

no DSI, on SW lv11, DSI still equipped (11.2%FD, 3.4%PA)
QS 10.12M | 3.10M | 6.49M
V2 6.44M | 5.46M | 6.09M
Mark 3.20M | 2.81M | 3.02M

none of the above
QS 9.70M | 2.97M | 6.08M
V2 5.95M | 5.03M | 5.62M
Mark 3.05M | 2.66M | 2.83M

FD is good on V2, but not as good on QS/Mark
Which supports my thesis about the Node FD making additional FD give diminishing returns

but the diff between test 1 and test 4 (9%BA vs 11.2%FD) doesn't show that much of a difference for QS/Mark
Quite a big difference for V2, though

Tested on lv250 statue with 40% defence, to really see the difference, coz I don't want anything to cap

for cursory results
might be due to my stat distribution, BA is looking a lot better, especially since my only attacks that aren't capping are Barrage lines, Mark and ADI

FD would be better for ADI
BA seems to be better for the other 2 for me?

Might also be because I already have some FD souls... so my base FD is a bit higher

gonna have to mull over this and maybe do some proper testing later on

The 11% FD also only gave me 3.7% increase (test 2 vs test 5)

[potent heath]

Hmmm somewhat different from what i got. I did note that the min dmg and overall dmg increased but 3-5% seems about what i got too!

Was any link skills on CD? Like those from Sia especially

[plucky sundial]

I waited out the Sia link skill and lv200 cd buff cooldowns between each test

The diff between Max/Min/Avg also seems to match

[potent heath]

Seems abt there

[glossy hollow]

Thank you sir I’ll change to Pierre soul. So slowly wil build that to fd for my armour. Since overall feedback isn’t bad

[twin apex]

Just created a night lord class yesterday and bought some good gear, attack power at 900k now at lvl 132 without any boss gear. What do you guys recommend to lvl to 200+ as fast as possible? With other chars I’ve been struggling taking lots of time to lvl after 170 and that was even with burning

Love the class btw, the dmg is great

[glossy hollow]

Btw. Can I know how does 3 slot trio look like?

[graceful salmon]

Welcome! Haha glad you’re enjoying the job. For leveling, the higher your sf, the faster you’ll level. You wanna be in the highest sf map you can survive in at all times to get the most exp. We are a pretty squishy job tho so good luck! I used to die a lot while pushing the limits to be in higher sf maps “early”.

[graceful salmon]

Wdym by 3 slot trio? Like 25/25/10? That’s a max boost node without the help of vmatrix slot levels.

[tidal halo]

I think he meant it as using 3 nodes instead of 4 nodes to complete his Vmatrix boost.

3 nodes gives you 9 options
8 options needed to max 4 skills (to level 50)
hence, there is 1 skill to forgo, i.e. leave at level 25 boost instead of 50 boost
Personally, I've given up Dark Flare

[glossy hollow]

Yes thisn

In order to get lvl 60 for certain skill.

Without using enhancement slot

[graceful salmon]

Oooh okay. Example looks like:

Lv25

1. Four Seasons
2. Sudden Raid
3. Dark Flare

Lv25

1. Sudden Raid
2. Dark Flare
3. Four Seasons

Lv10

1. Dark Flare
2. Four Seasons
3. Sudden Raid

[glossy hollow]

Thanks sheep I need this

[graceful salmon]

Anytime!

[twin apex]

Thanks for the info! Yeah the job is amazing, I figured star force was probably the way to go but getting those higher SF’s seems difficult, do you have any tips on getting higher SF gear besides spending tons of cash on scrolls to not destroy items? Currently at lvl 146 with 148 SF. I am easily able to survive in the SF 147 map but I am hesitant to SF my gear now without risking to break it since I blew all my mesos on these items lol need some time to build up a reserve again

[potent heath]

Gather mesos and buy from TS

[kindred lake]

Screenshot your equip page

[kindred lake]

Sorry if that was demanding lol. We can probably help better if you screenshot. Lots of common mistakes early on

[potent heath]

Yups...best way to do it.

[twin apex]

Ah good one @kindred lake , and don’t worry haha

There it is

Currently trying to get all my equipment to max level

And I still need some good boss drops but so far I only got some earrings

[plucky sundial]

Since you're at legendary gear or higher, you pretty much should only SF with Blue+Brown scrolls

You get a free set every weekend

and they're also available to buy in the Content Shop with RA coins and Kerning Tower coins

One potential thing to save up for is USW or LSW

Apart from the slow wait, another potential way to increase your SF is to invest in faf top/btm

Top/Btm is a replacement for Outfit
It's two separate pieces of equipment that can get to SF20 each

Costs several hundred mil a piece
and the SF cost is higher, but at the very least you can get it to SF12 each without risk

If you can get someone to carry you through CRA, you can also get your top/btm for free after 6 clears, iirc
It costs 12 coins, and you get 1 coin per week, but there's an achievement for first clear that gives you some coins

[twin apex]

Yeah I had the eclectic prinsid but I broke it at SF 13

[twin apex]

Sorry but what is CRA?

Thabks for the tips so far!

[potent heath]

CRA = Chaos Root Abyss (weekly) x 4 boss

Each boss will drop 1 coin (100%) . Which you can use those coins to exchange those CRA gears

[plucky sundial]

The top and bottom can get to SF20 each
It's a lot easier to build SF with these rather than an Outfit
Helps a lot in reaching SF194

[severe latch]

What's the optimal Ab skillwheel for NL?

[twin apex]

Ah interesting! Thanks for these tips!

[plush locust]

#bot-commands has a google doc with ab for all classes. showdown, sudden raid, four seasons. i like omen, shuri too, but up to you

[severe latch]

🙏 thanks

[normal vector]

#msm-feedback-qol message

[graceful salmon]

They probably don’t understand that half of that probably came from dark lords omen alone. Without omen being super buffed by the lotus p1 mobs, we are back to being the version of NL that we want buffs for in all the other bosses

[broken pelican]

exactly

[eternal panther]

Haters as expected

[fringe glacier]

Did he make that dps chart himself or?

[tidal halo]

lmao who’s this pakulu noob. Change his hit counts to ours, we’ll take his all day any day (:

[normal vector]

Lol 11 thumbs down

What’s wit these NL haters

[tidal halo]

I think they're boomers still living in the past. Gone are the days where NL are god tier for sure.
Whoever is in the same server as this pakulu noob should issue him a 1v1 without V1 and V3 and shove the results of how weak sauce Quad star is up his butt

[eternal panther]

without barrage we suck

[static ether]

facts

[frozen palm]

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1895085601

[frozen palm]

watch it yourself, u the noob here. just because u weak doesnt mean nl is weak

face the reality,

any class sucks without v skills .

[tidal halo]

Bro no need to keyboard warrior butthurt against NL all day.
Just join any expedition of your own with NL friends vs e.g. lumi or shadower, DB. Sometimes even with V1 the burst is very weak.
Stop watching these ppl with max abso. Charts don't mean nothing.
If youre really a chart/theory player, you can see the hit counts of NL is at 15.7k.
That doesn't bring it anywhere close to God tier on the hit counts chart if you're saying all hits are max capped at 26m

But this is of cuz not forgetting there are some ppl at 13-14k hit counts. None of the players above are saying nerf those classes.
But asking for consideration to watch hit counts or activation of NL marks seems like a fair suggestion.

But if you really want a proper comparison, am happy show it to you that the burst of NL is not actually a burst at this current stage.
But none of us are also saying that other jobs don't need to be reviewed, e.g. KOC, TB etc

[eternal panther]

nl has it worse without the V skill

[frozen palm]

i have many nl friends , Even with lower mdc and offensive stats, they still managed to outshine most of the class. ( lotus , ark , damien ) In damien practices, like what u have mentioned, v3 is nt as useful as it is in lotus , but they still managed to do well with those low cd mini burst… not as godly as they are in lotus , but still pretty decent. Ngl that Nl is definitely weak if they are not properly funded i give u that, but adding more lines to quad simply break the balance. Buff quadstar skill% seems like a better option in this case

[frozen palm]

not everyone is pally, with or without v skills. lots of class out there are bad.

[tidal halo]

Am at 24.2m cap at the moment and I struggle to burst as much as compared to my Shadower/Luminous friends with slightly lower mdc at the moment.

I don't think any of us NLs above are plainly asking for buffing of hit counts from 4 > 13 hits (like some classes got over the years). However, the simple fact remains that Quad star has remained quad for the past 5 years despite various mechanic changes and multiple rounds of rebalances.
All they need to do is relook the NL marks/shadow partner tbh

[broken pelican]

the team is very important too… The Pala Bonds him always + our v3 makes more lines to the boss when bots around. All this makes NL now OP in P1 if you watch the other times after P1 you see the dps sinking. What is the team compilation in this run? How is the gear of all who joined this run? Faster runs = higher DPM for Burst classes. The Ark rec who made by a NL was a run who special made to boost the NLs dmg as much as possible he had Pala to bond he had WH and Mech for extra support. The whole team was build around him. Make that with other classes to they will do more DPM

[frozen palm]

Its just some regular lotus team, he is the only person with 26.7m mdc and he rest of the team pretty much have less than 20m and unlike what you think, the team does not build around him, you can see he is miles ahead. Truth is, there are only very handful of class can do such dmg with only 26m ish mdc. Also, Ideal run for NL is 4min30s ,and he cleared at 5min15s, in other words, he is not even at his max potential . Unfortunately, unlike what you claimed, evidence show that many other top players tried their best with the best possible team they could ( including strong class like dbs ) , but they are nothing close to NL when it comes to late game. Yes v3 is op , but u can c his dmg is still pretty good at 4min and 5min.. Furthermore, for contents like damien and ark, even without the extra lines from v3 , nl still doing very well.

nl is really weak for early game no doubt, even dolphin may have a hard time to unleash its true potential, but if a NL funded properly its definitely one of the strongest class. I believed the community are also aware of that, thats why you dont see others have a problem when yall asked to buff NL skill%, Nl is already back to the top, but just like most thief class , they need more funding and skill cap to shine.

[normal vector]

#msm-feedback-qol message

[tidal halo]

guess it remains quite difficult to drive an idea across..
but think lumis and ?evans previously also had a similarly difficult time before they got scaled upwards...

[urban timber]

Guys dont fight, who got the most $ to fund the class wins

[urban timber]

Means to get 6 main skills at lv60 required 6 slots?
I was thinking getting quad, showdown & mark to lv60 & the rest to lv50 is good enough

[graceful salmon]

if you're refusing to use slot levels then yes

[urban timber]

Yup trying to min/max and get more skills in spare slot, thanks!

[plucky sundial]

NLs do 75 lines per second against the fog training grounds (ie. completely uninterrupted rotations) without V3
Our V3 is 600 lines outside Lotus, versus Pala/DK/etc that has 1600

25% of which (Barrage quad star lines) does less damage than ADI
While another 28% of it only does around the same damage as ADI (Night Lord's Mark)
I cannot cap with 48k PA without all temporary buffs on... and our temporary buffs have 25% uptime
So yeah, we're strong with absolutely optimal potentials and all mythic flames, maybe? If this is what you mean by funded... that's a really unreasonable threshold to aim for

Our iframe count is not the worst since some classes have no iframe, but it's still one of the worst among classes that do have iframes

You only need to check your server's SC rankings to know our skill damage% are absolutely horrendous
You only need to check your server's GHB rankings to know our line count is average at best

The reason NLs do well in Lotus is because Lotus P1 allows our V3 to get more count
The other reason you see a lot of strong NLs is because NL used to be strong, and there are quite a few of us that are funded from that era, as well as having played it for very long and have very solid mechanics
Evans are a good example of the opposite; the class is amazing, but a lot of Evan players can't bring out its full potential

[plucky sundial]

I'm 23.3m MDC and losing to a DK with sub 20m in Ark (30ty)
Because I can't cap my lines with 30ty with 48k PA...
"Even dolphin may have a hard time" is a severe understatement to how hard it is for us to cap HALF of our lines

[tidal halo]

I think most of the unaware general population are unaware of how sad the burst lines are (including NL players ourselves).
Cuz the spread throw's additional 3 directions are 25% damage and DOES NOT apply Shadow Partner.
But that being said though.. some classes like TB, DS, DA etc also do need a buff.
Everyone deserves a proper buff. Makes Damien easier to drop anyway

[sturdy grotto]

🥹

[tidal halo]

How’s the situation looking for mulung/Sharenian in your respective servers? Still looking pretty sad in mine - classes that can clear are always the same few for the top 10-ish

In Sharenian, mages/DB/NW/BW/phantoms/warriors/PF etc are also doing better as well. Is this the same across servers?

[plucky sundial]

Looks similar
An Evan in my server clears Fl45 in 2:56, and he also has 15k score in SC
He's pretty much the undisputed #1 in the server I think

Phantom/BW/Evan/Shadower/DK/DB populate our top 10

Strongest NL in our server clears Fl45 in 5:38

A Lumi's on #11 here

Warriors are more commonplace in the SC top 100

[eternal panther]

Yeah no nl in my server can clear floor 45

So lotus damage doesn't mean anything

[latent basin]

Good day guys, what are the best link skill for NL

[plucky sundial]

Standard PA stuff

Exp:
Mercedes
Resistance

FD:
Explorer Pirate
Sia
Xenon

PD:
Demon Avenger

BA:
Explorer Warrior
Demon Slayer
Evan

CD:
Explorer Archer
Kinesis
Phantom
Ark (less CD)

PA:
Explorer Thief (free slot, because NL is a Explorer Thief)

If you're using the 2 exp link skills, you'll have to give up one of these
I'd give up Ark, as it gives only 2% CD compared to 4%/6% on the rest
CR is an option (Ark and Cygnus Knights), but you probably won't need it with FairTrade the way it is

Other tech choices are:
Kaiser for HP
Cygnus + Aran for fever (a bit of extra exp while farming)

[oak laurel]

Hi all night Lords, I realize I die too fast to commander bosses. How do I increase my survivability as a night lord?

[urban timber]

Helmet & Armor gives the most HP

[oak laurel]

For survivability the best Stat is hp rit, how about defence or EVD?

[urban timber]

Personally I focus on getting hat & outfit to max lv for optimal HP amount & depend on pots/dark sight & shadow shifter for survivability

Did not put a focus on DEF & EVD as I believe NL is made to be a glass cannon

However I would feel that phantom & shadower is made to be a more well rounded thief class with good atk & def

[urban timber]

Need to learn commander skill pattern to survive well & dish out as much dmg as possible. Most of the time I die due to dmg reflect 🤣

[sturdy grotto]

Knowing boss atk pattern in advance will help you by alot

[oak laurel]

Ahh ic

Thanks for the advice

[brazen spruce]

Oh man, NL gears are so short in supply clean mythic shoes (non-emblem!) are going for 700m in A2S TS /facepalm

[normal vector]

New ark dpm with 30s

I’m sure u guys r higher than mine lol

But I gained almost 3k patk

From the patch

NL back on top?

[graceful salmon]

you managed to ark with this dc issue? all my teams cancelled HAHAHA

[eternal panther]

I got lucky with my ark run and hmag

[graceful salmon]

maaaan. might be a mini patch tonight maybe idk

[normal vector]

haha yea, i think the dc started happening after we ark'd

[urban timber]

How did u get 22m MDC

[normal vector]

im not sure, i have 18m MDC

idk why it says 22

[graceful salmon]

split is usually the cause of that

you run with a shade?

[normal vector]

yea i did

[graceful salmon]

mbn, no shade in my runs

[sturdy grotto]

👍

[plucky sundial]

I've noticed it happen in ArkMag battle analysis even when there's no shade

My team and I think it's a bug, coz we can't figure out what could possibly cause it

[urban timber]

Wow whats split?

[graceful salmon]

if it's not too much to ask, next time it happens do you mind sharing with me the battle analysis SS, your MDC SS and the team composition? i can probably get some info on it. does it happen often?

[plucky sundial]

I'm pretty sure I still have the SS somewhere

I'll look for it later

[plucky sundial]

I think pretty much anytime we have DS4 on

Don't really check every day

but seems to be the case

[graceful salmon]

oooo you know that would actually make sense...if the battle analysis views the added dmg from split as additions to the original lines (overflowing your MDC) instead of as it's own individual lines then the extra dmg from DS4 being activated is probably treated similarly

[plucky sundial]

The thing that is getting us confused is that theoretically, max IED would only get us to reach our cap
But we're hitting above cap with it in ArkMag

ie. 23m cap, 25m max dmg

afaik 100% IED means 23m cap = 23m max dmg

I think my MDC was around 20 - 21m at the time

I forgot the specific lineup, but there's no Shade in our team

The lineup consists of a mix of these:
NL
WH
Pala
Evan
WA
Phantom
Bishop
DK
Shadower
DB

Been a while and my recent run didn't have ds4 equipped. Will try equipping ds4 tonight to see if this is still a thing.

[tidal halo]

wow how does one gain 3k patk. Are you flames all to HP or smth

[plucky sundial]

Probably multiple PA lines on top/btm
The potentials on top/btm/outfit went from Max 150 to Max 630

and rings went from 23 PA to 140 PA

I regret recubing those 23PA lines now

[tidal halo]

Oh I see I see. I left it at HP for top and bottom.. quite sizeable HP increase post patch though still looking insignificant for Damien

[plucky sundial]

Isn't the boost a lot lower for HP?
Used to be 900 at max, now 1218

[tidal halo]

Yeah but what's that 300hp line increment compared to ezpz 150k slaps from Damien 😅

Anw wow thanks for pointing out the cube gains. Didn't manage to get to scrutinising the stuff yet. Just realised accessories potentials come up to pretty sizeable total now

[broken pelican]

190k slap from damien you mean