Night Lord

[ember hamlet]

Night Lord

[eternal panther]

#BuffQuad

[drifting latch]

Nerf more pls

[eternal panther]

[sweet juniper]

nerf

[graceful salmon]

[tired monolith]

Do yall use four seasons in your skill rotation for bossing?

[eternal panther]

Yeah way stronger now to use

[tired monolith]

Even during v1?

[eternal panther]

Yup

[broken pelican]

BUFF NIGHT LORD!

[crystal totem]

can i see pic/ss of your v matrix & skill wheel for bossing? 😮

[fringe glacier]

Fix quad star for god sakes.

[fringe glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-vingança-revenge-plano-os-simpsons-gif-22044850

[rancid topaz]

Buff NL please.

[rancid topaz]

X2

[fringe glacier]

Quad Star needs to go to atleast 320%. The 80% nerf was just too much. Signed every NL.

[safe heath]

280% still higher than almost every other class

[fringe glacier]

We get 5 lines that are 280%

The rest on 30% of that on shadow partner.

[safe heath]

yeah and when you press barrage you have the one of the best bursts in the game

cant even say burst when it lasts 90 seconds

[fringe glacier]

@broken pelican this guy seems to know it all.

[broken pelican]

Buff NL

[fringe glacier]

[broken pelican]

but out of barrage our dmg droped very hard and bosses like lotus and ark takes over 90sec and after this 90sec we got a 90 sec CD on it and in this time our dmg dropped hard.

[safe heath]

yeah it dropped hard. still one of the hardest hitting classes though

[fringe glacier]

After the 90, not really. Out damaged by a lot of classes.

Average, I see a 10-15% dps drop since the remaster. And I’m just mid tier. Unsure what the high end NLs see but I’m sure it’s in the same ball park.

[broken pelican]

i out dmg a db pre remaster by 30-40b since the remaster i struggle to make more then him and even lose sometimes against him. And im gear wise much higher then him

[safe heath]

have you compared to an ice lightning

[broken pelican]

i dont say IL dont need a buff

but im not in to IL skills

so i dont know what to they need

i can talk for my class

[safe heath]

its not about the buffs

its if

ur class is still higher than average

its fine

nls cant beat dbs

dbs are overpowered

pretty sure everyone knows that

[broken pelican]

yeah but a full necro nl with full fd souls etc

should out dmg a non full necro db with normal souls

i dont talk from dbs who gear wise on my level

[fringe glacier]

This guy here shutting on NLs because IL is weak.

[safe heath]

not even shitting on nl

theyre still strong af

[safe heath]

it doesnt matter once u cap lol

full necro doesnt mean anything if both players are capping

db just has more lines

not to mention the remaster made nls sooo much better at grinding

[broken pelican]

my max cap much higher

[graceful salmon]

#BuffNL

[safe heath]

imagine dbs doing 500 lines at 15m vs nl doing 400 lines at 17m. Db still wins

[fringe glacier]

A lot of classes now can out dps NL. A lot.

With a lot less funding.

[safe heath]

Depends on the boss

short fights like RA, nl almost never loses

if you're not at the top you'll never get nerfed

[graceful salmon]

Tell that to cannoneer, their first change was a nerf on an already dead in the water class

[safe heath]

what is a cannoneer

they fake class

release and remastered within a few months

[fringe glacier]

Once again depends on class and funds the NL is up against.

[safe heath]

Equally funded capping nl will not lose to most classes in RA

Barrage is just too good for bursting

[fringe glacier]

Be awful close.

[gloomy pendant]

What cannoneer I only know being cannoned /j

[atomic palm]

Not sure what u're smokin'

Not my pics btw, shared from other group

[drifting latch]

Tbf pally has longer iframes

Which matter in Magnus

[safe heath]

paladins are cracked right now lol

there's this pally doing 1.9b on guild dummy

dont think i saw any other class hit that high

[atomic palm]

We can all just cry in despair

[safe heath]

i dont mind nl getting buffed

i steal showdown anyway

but 280% is high considering the other classes

maybe buff shadow partner

and let phantoms steal it

[peak surge]

Meanwhile bishop’s burst period still lose some other classes without burst period 🥲

[eternal panther]

need 50% shadow partner like pc

[broken pelican]

Justice for NL Buff Quad Buff Mark

[boreal raptor]

What is crazy is that prior to doing 1.91b on guild dummy with a 20.1m cap, the same pally did just 1.38b on dummy lol. Thats almost a 50% gain free boost just like that. Hell even Remastered Hero and Dark Knight (Fellow Remastered Warriors) ain't getting that kind of sick damage gains

[safe heath]

Like i rather nl and nw be strong than bishops and pallys

Pallys literally have ress/inv/threaten/giga dps

Needs to be nerfed

[boreal raptor]

Yeah, its kinda too good

[safe heath]

Supports shouldnt be doing one of the highest dps

[boreal raptor]

I mean yea i get Pally mains are gonna feel like why is everyone hating on them

[safe heath]

Like as a phantom at least i have to pick between using leap or my dps skill

[boreal raptor]

But their entire package is just too good

[safe heath]

But pallys just free

Idk why they made blaat 16 lines

Blast

[boreal raptor]

Paladin literally is now a Jack of all Trades, Master of all

On the balancing perspective, the Devs fucked it up

[safe heath]

Yeah they just need to tweak the numbers

Less lines less percentage

[boreal raptor]

I kinda doubt they gonna do anything to Pally

[safe heath]

Just gotta type nerf pally everyday

[boreal raptor]

Its quite obvious they are really trying TOO hard to entice players to rr to Paladin

Probably the boost the number of Lotus clears

[safe heath]

If pallys had this level of dps

At least remove the threaten/ress

Or make it one or the other

So they have to choose between deeps or supporf

Support

[boreal raptor]

Yeah

[safe heath]

Im slowly leeching my pally to 200 now tho

[boreal raptor]

No wonder Demon Slayers are so pissed with Paladin lol

[safe heath]

Paladin dps should be like bottom 50%

Same with bishop

Db/nl/nw top makes sense

Since theyre all out dps

[boreal raptor]

I always thought even on pcms, DS >> Paladin in terms of dps

Paladin >> DS for utility

[safe heath]

Its the numbers here

Msm devs fucked up

[boreal raptor]

Still intentional i feel

They just want to entice or force people to rr

Probably this few months will be for the Devs to analyze what is the current player base interest level with all these new classes or remastering

Ngl, if the amt of players are still sticking to their current mains with very very little ppl rr or even creating a new class

Its not a good thing or sign

[broken pelican]

Rr is just shit

i would probably rr to DB as i got a very good necro dagger rdy

but again to level to over 230

farm this shit commander set again

and and

not worth

[safe heath]

I would never rr

Waste of my ab tickets

Think i spent like 1k on ab alone for my main

[broken pelican]

yeah thats too

spended so much ab time and money in my NL not worth to rr ever

[safe heath]

Yeah

Got my mannequins and hairs

And all that other shit that never carries over

If they let me change the job of my current character then sure

Even then idk if i want to spend on another lv50 wep

And outfits

[cosmic kestrel]

Buff Quad star please, you killed us.

[crystal totem]

Question for you experienced NLs (I’m only lvl 203), but have spent a decent chunk of change of nodes.
What’s the proper progression?
This is what I would assume but let me know how off the mark I am.

1. Bossing trio’s
2. v skills (I’m assuming throwing star barrage first)
3. mobbing trio’s

[safe heath]

Keep opening nodes and dont extract any from ur class

Play the long game

Fuse garbage nodes up and extract when high level

You should only craft barrage

And level your normal trios with the copies you get from nodes

Ur dmg progression is much slower but its cheaper by far

If ur a whale just buy nodes and craft what u need

You only need mobbing trios until you can kill the map u grind on in one shot

With showdown

[sturdy grotto]

1. quad / mark / four season
2. yes max out spread throw first
3. dark flare / sudden raid / showdown

[crystal totem]

isnt the new perfect trio for bossing quad, mark, and sudden raid?
cause that's what I've been going off of and have my perfect trio's 😮

[broken pelican]

its right they changed with remaster

[crystal totem]

yeah after spending somewhere around 10b on nodes, I am good w/ a maxed out quad & mark, and will just keep grinding to get everything else higher. Have all the V skills, extra slots, and rope lift though, so I am satisfied for now. 😄

[crystal totem]

ok thanks

[eternal panther]

Four season stronger than sudden raid

[crystal totem]

ggggggggggg scuffed my nodes then, time to rr

[rancid topaz]

So this would be the perfect trio?

Is this good for mobbing?

[low geode]

Yup yup

I focused on sigle target dps and stayed away from mobbing nodes

[graceful salmon]

I don’t even bother with separate sets tbh. Cba

[rancid topaz]

Thanks

[atomic palm]

Just do 4 slots 6 skills.
3 skills 3 slots or separate set is dumb as fuck

[crystal totem]

what do you mean?

[crystal totem]

okay i think i get what you're saying.
I have 4 nodes right now that once maxed will have my 6 skills maxed out

[graceful salmon]

I always have lv60 quad/showdown/marks and lv50 sudden raid/four seasons/dark flare on my matrix and work around it.

[crystal totem]

gotcha, makes sense!

[sturdy grotto]

is it ok to use this ? cause i’m too lazy to rr to a new trio 🥹

[atomic palm]

Yeah, and in the super long run once u have lots of enhancement points, they will be at lv60 eventually

Applicable to all jobs with 6 skills

[atomic palm]

Yeah it's perfect

[safe heath]

better to do 6 slot 6 skills

you wont be dropping to 4slot 6 skills until you're like 235+

unless you dont want the points on your v1 - v4

along with generic class skills

[atomic palm]

We only have v1 and v2, i rather not add points into venom burst

The work to reroll 6 slot 6 skills to 4 slot 6 skills is too much lmao

Lv50 and lv60 won't make much difference tbh

the 2 extra slots u can literally equip other 2 skill nodes

it's a no brainer thing

[crystal totem]

yeah so at lvl 220 I will have the 2x perfect trio's level 60

[atomic palm]

But i would add v1 v2 too though. Maybe lv230+?

[eternal panther]

230 is last v matrix slot

[atomic palm]

u mean the enhancement points?

[eternal panther]

the slot

235 nothing

[atomic palm]

wait, u're talking about unlocking the matrix slot every 5 level or the enhancement points at we get every level?

i'm talking about the latter though

[eternal panther]

First one yea

Points we should always get

[safe heath]

Thats like 20 fd

Damage is damage

If you go 4 nodes 6 skills, you allocate 20 matrix sp to make 60

Assuming u have points on v1 v2

You need 230 to get 60 on your boost skills

Then v3 and v4 will release

And ur points are even harder to get, so ur boosts will technically never hit 60

With 6 nodes, you can leave them at 20 each

You lose 2 slots, but those slots are decent skill slots that ur party should have anyway

[atomic palm]

u know that 2 slots is how important? end game content u need like ds4 too

not all party has all the entire full buffs.

solo modes u need them too

u can even cap with lv50 nodes

[broken pelican]

[safe heath]

Not nl but

Im completely fine using 6

I just swap rope lift for ds4

[safe heath]

Pretty sure lv60 on a few skills > a decent skill

[atomic palm]

glass cannon like us already needs dhb for ark
erda bind 5 sec with lv50 definitely beats lv60 nodes

dmg isn't everything u know, proper mechanics hits way harder

[safe heath]

Bind isnt necessary lol

[atomic palm]

for solo mode mag?

[safe heath]

I dont use it

Solo it in 2mins

[atomic palm]

cos u have fricking so many iframes

[safe heath]

I can take off sancro and its the same thing

U can dodge everything

Just tank the falling orbs

The blue one doesnt even one shot you

[atomic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-look-gif-24835232

[safe heath]

If you do need the slots for certain bosses, it doesnt take away that 6 slots is stronger until you get enough matrix pts

You level the other two as you open nodes anyway

And you extract them the same way you extract ur garbage nodes

[atomic palm]

i mean i've said my worth, i'm too lazy to argue this further. besides v3 v4 out there is literally no slots left

[atomic palm]

yeah but definitely not purposely building it from scratch for new players

i didn't say it will be useless

but there is no need to in the long run

[safe heath]

It builds naturally

As you open nodes

Less headache to find perfect trios too

[atomic palm]

i don't have the correct order

i just did as long as those 6 skills in 4 node slots

[safe heath]

Yeah thats the endgame

Its easier to build from 6

And then drop when u have enuf points

[safe heath]

@atomic palm like im dropping the first and fifth node once i hit 230 because ill have enough points to 60 all

And extracting them will level my v3/v4s

[atomic palm]

oh

[crystal totem]

okay i can follow this logic forsure.
I mean I have my 4 perfect nodes right now, but have 2 more on my matrix that are just supplementing my lack of enhanced slots, so basically 6 nodes like you lmao

[safe heath]

Yep, if you max the 4 you just need the supplemental nodes at 10

[vocal cedar]

Is night lord good or not

[safe heath]

Really helps too since the supplementary lines are usually the lines you dont cap with

[safe heath]

Still pretty good dps

Very good mobbing now

If a boss fight is less than two minutes, nl prob one of the strongest

[crystal totem]

cliche since this is every experienced players statement but it stands true:
Play a class you enjoy playing.
If you chase CP/DPS/ S Tier classes.... each rebalance will throw you off your game and there's a much higher chance you will quit due to lack of enjoyment.
I chose NL as my main because I genuinely have fun playing the game as NL. I have tons of other alts and have tried lots of classes, but this is what I enjoy.

Good luck 🙂

Also to add to that, any funded class will beat out a f2p class.... doesn't matter the whole tier rankings lol

[vocal cedar]

Yeah I enjoy playing as night lord I'm 90 now

[sturdy grotto]

for a NL you can’t do a chill on hard magnus run (solo) like any other class i can confirm this 🥹 we’re so squishy with 1 iframe(longggg cd) and doesn’t have any other def passive buff it’s sad

need alot of patience & experience

[vocal cedar]

My problem here is my quest is level 84 how do I get level 105 quest

[atomic palm]

do u wanna rush level or enjoy the storyline?

if level then don't bother with the quest first, just auto at sf maps

[crystal totem]

personally id say ditch the quests and just train SF maps

[tired monolith]

Anyone can share their skill wheel setup for bossing? The new mobility skills taking up 2 slots 🥲

And do you guys use venom burst?

[sturdy grotto]

i only use the new skill(surge,leap) on some boss 😂 its not worth to keep them in the skill wheel at all time imo

and yes someone told me that venom burst are okey to used even if it just a lvl 1

hint : as a NL the new mobility help you in some boss like Hard magnus by alot. you’ll loved it 👍

[crystal totem]

I only use the veritcal jump since you can flash jump horizontally after it, i dont see too much necessity in the horizontal mobility skill

edit: am not doing magnus yet unless im carried so have no experience there lmao

[graceful salmon]

Normal bossing where I don’t have burst buffs on my pets

[low geode]

Yeah same I manual buff to make best use of burst

[low geode]

Ooo is sudden raid worth using during boss? I haven’t tested that out yet

[graceful salmon]

Yes, noticeable increase! And four seasons line buff was pretty huge too

[eternal panther]

four season is op af

[vocal cedar]

What is this cannot be used while burning

[gloomy pendant]

that's normal, you can't use any growth elixirs during burning

[crystal totem]

i feel so dumb for not having four seasons and quad on a preset.....
thank you so much for posting, this has helped me a good amount 😄

[tired monolith]

Thanks guys for sharing. Im still figuring out my skill wheel for bossing.

[tired monolith]

So preset four seasons with quad helps with dps? Have you tested yet?

[crystal totem]

yes, from what I see.
I just exalted my shoulders and shoes yesterday though so could be a variable thats affecting damage. but was a 6 level gain between the 2 pieces of equips, and I'm not capping so it's not like damage cap raising was changing anything yet.
But I went from immortal guild dungeon 48m to 52m

[sturdy grotto]

my best run so far … and again no sign of badge or pendant at all 🥹

https://youtu.be/rFx4IC1eC4o

[graceful salmon]

Clean!

[eternal panther]

op

[rancid topaz]

Nice

[earnest pumice]

can we please throw something other than subis, and make quad star projectile better: if I jump and throw it misses the smaller mob monsters

[sturdy grotto]

lol

ty guys

[crystal totem]

wow nice!
What damage skin is that? 😮

[sturdy grotto]

its BP Pink dmg skin (unit)
its in [BLACKPINK]Pink platinum package 😃

[crystal totem]

wow i love the decimal! 😄 Thanks, might buy lmaooooo

[broken pelican]

nice work to use PEs manually

i was always to lazy to use them manually

[tired monolith]

Nice! We need more NL content 😁

[cosmic kestrel]

Unit dmg skins are the best !!!!

[rancid topaz]

How often do they rebalance the jobs?

[sturdy grotto]

it so often but not for us

we get nerfed every patch lately

it sad 🥹

[cosmic kestrel]

4 more nerfs and it will be our time to conquer the leaderboards again

[rancid topaz]

Sad😔

[grim escarp]

hi fellow Night Lords 🙂 is this a good price?

[drifting latch]

No

[graceful salmon]

i mean you can find a clean one with no sf and lv1 for 200-300m less at the cheapest. that can arguably be worth it if you really wanted it

[grim escarp]

Sooo I think (actually I'm sure) I fucked up my Hyper Passives, what do you guys use?

[broken pelican]

3 in Quad 2 in Cruse ( add dmg and crit dmg reduction)

[cosmic kestrel]

I actually did 3 in Showdown and 2 in Quad, since I don't find Curse that much of a matter in bosses when cexp is dead in less then a 30seconds lo
Maybe I'll change but for now I'm good

[old zealot]

looking for emblem ancient claw flr 6b on na scania if any1 has anything id appreciate it

[lusty tundra]

Better to get a stronger weapon or should I start focusing on Hyper Skills?

[stray sluice]

hyper skills can wait,exalt should be ur priority from ive seen

also what’s the emblem stats on ur claw

?

[lusty tundra]

Probably garbage, I'll ss it soon ty

[rancid topaz]

To which box should I raise the points that they give me for each lvl in the v matrix?

[low geode]

Burst

[sturdy grotto]

i suggest you should replace “shadow walker” with “decent sharp eye” or just buy extra matrix slot. 👍

[rancid topaz]

Ok bro, I'm going to replace it to see how it goes.
Thanks.

[potent heath]

Whats your CD+BA combo to cap shadow partner?

[graceful salmon]

Idk if anyone can actually cap it, that’s spoken up about it at least 👀

[broken pelican]

Quad 360% dmg

[potent heath]

Well or at least close to cap 😆

[cosmic kestrel]

Guys what do you think about this claw? thinking on buying it

I know its not BossAttack or CritRate
But I mean, the emblem eventually is like 3% CR or 5% BA... it seems that Phy Attack boost is just as good?

and price seems good?

I currently got a Jaihin claw mythic level 30 with 20SF but no embly

[fringe glacier]

Youll do more damage with your jaihin than that claw.

Save your meso for a jaihin claw with a cd/ba emblem.

[west zinc]

just curious why did u choose crit dmg reduction over enhanced?

[shy quest]

Regarding the Lotus bug for NL’s V1. It’s acknowledged by the Devs and will be fixed on Feb update

Credits to @cinder gyro for his video as reference to CS

[shy quest]

@broken pelican

[broken pelican]

thx @shy quest and @cinder gyro

[drifting latch]

@granite whale you get to leech for a few more weeks

[eternal panther]

Tell them to buff quad too

[graceful salmon]

yea

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[drifting latch]

No

[eternal panther]

yea

[safe heath]

280percent so stronk

I want 280 on my main skill

[sturdy grotto]

it 280 but only 5 line the other was ummm 🙄

[eternal panther]

yea not alot

[safe heath]

280x20 during barrage kinda cracked

[broken pelican]

whats the difference if we got more ? nothing i cap barrage and quad easy. So V1 wise end game geared 280% or 360% will not make a difference.

but my SP will get benefited from the 360%

[safe heath]

So ask for sp buffs not quad star buffs

What is sp? 50percent?

140Ish from extra lines still higher than phantom

[broken pelican]

35%

my quad need to hit 65m to hit a 23m cap

[safe heath]

Reeee that's kinda low lmao

You don't expect to cap those lines realistically anyway

[broken pelican]

i capped them in the old cap

[safe heath]

Yeah but didn't NL get buffed in other areas

NL shadow partner still better than phantom battleship

135percent scaled by 80percent x4 is 432

NL is 98x5

At 490

[rancid topaz]

Any cabal to get necro on the weapon?

[broken pelican]

nah our main dps outside of barrage got nerfed

mark of assassins got -50% dmg

quad got nerfed

and the rest +- same or useless buffs

[safe heath]

Are you sure? Iirc some of the damage percents got moves to passives

[broken pelican]

okey the passive ones are good

[safe heath]

100% more on nl mark

Think bleed dart got buffed too because it wasnt 25%pd when i last stole it

Think the only buff nl needs is a buff to shadow partner

V3 exploding stars on nl attacks will make nl op anyway

[broken pelican]

it was 120 and 70 before

we had 200 total

and now 150

so mark got nerfed

[safe heath]

40% less

Guess they did that to counterbalance all the pd they gave on passives

[broken pelican]

the bleed is nice but long cd and get used in v1

[broken pelican]

cant wait for it

[safe heath]

Basically second barrage

[broken pelican]

[graceful salmon]

That’s v4 or 5 I think. V3 is dark lords omen

[safe heath]

There's no v5 yet

[graceful salmon]

Then v4. The big pink summon that give passive stats, attacks the map then booms.

[safe heath]

Think I messed up the order then

At least night Lord has good vskills

Have you seen phantom v3/v4

Makes me want to cut myself

[graceful salmon]

I did…meh

😅

Rough

[safe heath]

Adele reroll incoming

Why play any class other than adele

[graceful salmon]

LOL I heard she needs buffs in kmsm. I hope it doesn’t port over the same here. Im not rerolling but I still support strong Adele class

[safe heath]

[eternal panther]

They will buff quad eventually not even worry

[safe heath]

Doubt

The biggest buff would be holding down skill to repeat

Instead of tapping quad throw

[eternal panther]

When they release more bosses with more hp

[safe heath]

Then they just increase or remove cap

[drifting latch]

When y’all quit

[eternal panther]

Nope watch

[fringe glacier]

Tris back here again. Go to IL channel or whatever class you are.

Troll

[crystal quail]

barrage is equivalent to 90% , so 5 at 280, 15 at 90%

[sturdy grotto]

its not 280 x 20 the extra line from barrage only do 20% final dmg

[safe heath]

hmm

25%

nvm nightlord sucks

might as well rr nightwalker

then again the double mark kinda strong

so many lines

[eternal panther]

Need buff

[graceful salmon]

Yea

[safe heath]

Not even trollin

[sturdy grotto]

overall buff is ok for NL now but the nerf of quad are painful🥹 imo

[crystal quail]

I'd be happy if they buffed it back up to 320%, that way SP and barrage get a boost

[sturdy grotto]

hehe i have try this challenge

https://youtu.be/DEgvnuHv9V0

[grim escarp]

Should i craft shurikane or venom burst first?

[sturdy grotto]

shurrikane 👍

[crystal totem]

What are late game hyper stats supposed to look like?
Currently have max FD
and 1 point in PD, so i have 46 points that I'm not sure where to put.

Would I do PD if I'm not capping every line?

lvl 207
PHY ATK 35k
CD 310%
Max DMG 13.8m

[fringe glacier]

PD and MDC

[crystal quail]

pd, additional damage, mdc, then fd

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[crystal totem]

sheesh so i was definitely off maxing FD first :/

thanks everyone

[crystal quail]

yes I would do fd later on personally, pd would be more beneficial for now. additional damage is great for any class with many lines. mdc would also be a good route considering you have 35k phy atk. with max nodes you'll be capping alot already, though shadow partner and barrage may not cap in stuff like cra but you can worry about that later

[graceful salmon]

within the currently known dmg formula FD is more effective than PD, per %, when you test it in the dmg calculator. may i ask how come PD is more beneficial for him now?

[graceful salmon]

this is known to be the widely accepted route. altho i'm curious on his reasoning, might learn something about it that we didn' consider

[crystal quail]

hmmm last time I checked, with my stats pd was better

[graceful salmon]

i see i see. how were you testing it?

[crystal quail]

I used damage calculator and numbers were slightly higher with pd, then again, im talking a few rebalances back

may have changed since

lemme go see what i get atm, so I can fact check and give correct advice

[crystal totem]

Ahhhh well no worries too much, not gonna reset the FD hypers, so those are maxed and will stay maxed 😅 just figuring out where to apply these hyper stat discounts

[graceful salmon]

i do agree that your next 20 being loaded into PD is super good!

[graceful salmon]

lmk if you discover anything odd! i'm curious too haha

[crystal quail]

I did calculations and indeed fd is slightly better. dunno if different stats will give different outcomes, but I remeber back a while ago pd was better for me

[cinder fox]

CD would be one of our last hyper stats correct?

General order is: FD > PD > MDC > Additional atk > CD?

[atomic palm]

True late game is pexp and exp

[crystal quail]

^^^ Like he said pexp and exp is pretty much end game. I wouldn't put any points in cd.

[broken pelican]

tbh pexp and exp better on low level or when you fight for top ranks. Later on end game i would go for MDC > FD > Add atk > PD > BA

[atomic palm]

yup agree with u too. but i'll still keep em coz i'll def will not reach cap level before they increase the cap

[eternal panther]

Then after that add cd?

[crystal totem]

Thanks everyone for input!

[safe heath]

Exp always to hit higher levels

[atomic palm]

Logic is pexp/exp for higher levels = more stats points and new area unlock for symbols

[grim escarp]

do night lord need rope lift?

for farming

[potent heath]

Need. Helps to farm faster

[graceful salmon]

all classes except kaiser should.

[grim escarp]

Okok i thought shadow leap did kind of the same thing

[low geode]

Shadow leap doesn’t work when ab is on

[eternal panther]

Buffs lol

In kmsm they used that a buff while for us it's a bug fix

[broken pelican]

now buff mark dmg % and quad

and im fine

[atomic palm]

NL is known for glass cannon. Now we're just glass 🤡

[fickle bane]

What decent nodes did yall craft for NL?

[graceful salmon]

sharp eyes
combat orders
speed infusion
hyper body

[crystal totem]

Are there any guides or anything to lay out how a NL gets to 400% CD & 100% BA?
I am at 346% CD 57% BA unbuffed and struggling to get both of them higher. I am missing 1 emb (cpb belt rn), which could get me to 366% CD.
Understand there’s a ton of factors, plus my shoes, hat & gloves all don’t have double CD->EXP flames, just wondering if anyone has any good resources that help me look for things I may be missing, lol.

[potent heath]

Primary/secondary weapon potentials. Theres a possibility to get 10-15% CD from each

Glove potentials also has CD but some would choose PD over it.

Mpet has set bonus but its very little to be considered a source. But hey...if youre just lacking of that 3% CD why not?

5x Mlabel has a 10% CD as well.

To add on, decent sharp eyes node lvl1 will suffice.

Legion quite alot of CD/BA/PD/PA to gain from and its free.

Link skills

[potent heath]

Alternatively theres you can check out this vdo

https://youtu.be/FD9ZbLxJKHw

[devout flame]

Anyone care to share optimal BA/CD build for NL? ❤️

[graceful salmon]

4:4
or
5:3 CD heavy

[crystal totem]

Hey, just curious, what's your emblem ratio and what is your unbuffed CD/BA %'s?

[graceful salmon]

5:3 still have 10% BA missing from emblems not lv5
417%/100%

[crystal totem]

sheesh!! Nice
You have pretty good CD flames?
I am trying to push to 400+ but am at 350% right now w/ 5 CD emblems

Missing 10% from 2x lvl 4 embs, missing 8% from link skills, and need to get better flames. No 2L CD flames yet, waiting on some more unique flames or the Leg flame package lmao, to reroll these trash 2Ls on hat & shoes.

[graceful salmon]

yea im pretty sure the diff in our cd is flames. got all your links sorted too?

[crystal totem]

yeah should be done with link skills in the coming week, all of them are 70, just need to get em to lvl 120 lmao
Time to go through the painful process of rerolling flames I guess 😄

Thanks for your help!

[graceful salmon]

yeah links/legion help! i got all of that done kinda recently. so i get 14% from links and 7.6% (can get up to 8.4%) from legion as well

[crystal totem]

If it's not too much to ask, do you mind telling me what total % of CD you get from CD flames?

[graceful salmon]

35.3

[crystal totem]

Hmmm mine is 25.6%.... I just cant figure out why I'm so [what feels like] far off 400% lmao

[graceful salmon]

se gives 12 when you're high enough level to have it on perma

[crystal totem]

Yeah I mean I try not to count sharp eyes and epic adventure but acknowledge that they are a huge help lol
Just got m label set yesterday so that was a nice 10% CD boost lmao

[graceful salmon]

you should count se, it's a 100% uptime upgrade when you are ready for it. you should not count anything with a cooldown like epic adventure tho

ooo yeah the crit rate is nice too from mlabel. can move some legion blocks out of crit rate if it helps push you well over 50% base crit rate and into more dmg oriented sectors

[crystal totem]

Gotcha, that makes sense

[crystal totem]

yeah I didn't even think about that!
I will be above 2700 legion after I get one of these link skill alts to 120 so thatll be nice to open up the 2nd row of the outer skills

[graceful salmon]

your NL is coming along well!

need some carries from you soon

[crystal totem]

Sometimes when I smega for carries I say bring your alts, see you there 😄

[proud blaze]

Hi all - interested on what’s u guys opinion on which skill node do we prioritise leveling for? V1 or v2?

[crystal totem]

I'm only level 208, so hopefully a more veteran NL will chime in, but I would assume Throwing Star Barrage would be best to max first-- to lengthen your burst time, since we get most our DPS during barrage

[graceful salmon]

If you are doing ark or other bosses that take long: barrage.

If you are only gonna do CRA at most, probably shurrikane.

Reason being—barrage level ups just extend duration. If you run short bosses, your dmg will be better supplemented by increasing skill dmg of your other hard hitting vskills. Rather than coming out of a boss with time left over on your burst while you’re waiting for invites/starting next boss or something haha

[crystal totem]

Well said, thanks for chiming in Sheepey 🙂

[proud blaze]

Thank you everyone

[devout flame]

When will we get buffs?

[finite willow]

is nl worth to try as a main ?

[drifting latch]

No

[snow cipher]

guys what NL skill node should i maxed out after spread throw?shurrikane or shadow walk ?

[tired monolith]

Shurrikane for me

Can we dodge lotus laser using our dash skill?

[snow cipher]

nope

dash is shift not flash

[frank glacier]

i think he meant hero will plus dash. should be fine if u have the hp for it

[eternal panther]

Yea

[rancid topaz]

There will be rebalancing of characters, it hurts not to touch the NL.

[eternal panther]

Revert quad nerf

[graceful salmon]

Yea

[broken pelican]

the good old times when quad was around 400% and the cap was low and then nerfed from rebalance to rebalance until we ended on 280%

[frank glacier]

still nl is 2nd highest dpm atm

[eternal panther]

nah

it's on b tier from the tier list

[frank glacier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yUwSaHJmXBOvc-eI0UD7EMVyu4WUc2OwjkXPbMa4AWI/edit#gid=2075334118

i recommend not looking at tier list... and only compare dps/dpm

[eternal panther]

A little buff to quad wouldn't hurt

[broken pelican]

[drifting latch]

A little nerf also wouldn’t hurt

[eternal panther]

Why hating on a buff

[drifting latch]

I’m a hater, nerf everyone and y’all will know to be grateful

[eternal panther]

Smh

[sturdy grotto]

guys i have some tips for a NL doing mulung dojo

you can use this skill for prevent collision dmg

its help by alot 👍

[drifting latch]

@granite whale you need this tip

[sturdy grotto]

https://youtu.be/E4r1sfrsbtk

[eternal panther]

how long until collision dmg is in effect

[sturdy grotto]

10sec sir

[granite whale]

too bad lasers don't count as touch dmg

[kindred lake]

Petition to make lasers count as touch dmg

#GiveNLsGodMode

[tired monolith]

Is this new?

[sturdy grotto]

I’m not sure but i just figure it out how to use it 😂

[graceful salmon]

Yes, new!

[broken pelican]

oh

nice

so they changed with the patch?

[broken pelican]

[graceful salmon]

With the explorer remaster patch

[finite mesa]

Anyone experienced a drop in crit rate post patch? I just logged in and noticed my usual crit rate unbuffed dropped from 57/59% ish to now 46%

[broken pelican]

yeah mine dropped to

if i remember right

was on 70%+

and now on 61%

[finite mesa]

Wow i saw nothing in patch notes…

Bummer for inherit users

[eternal panther]

We get carried by necro user to make up for it lol

[primal wraith]

Hello what’s the order of hyper skill points I should focus on before 200/bossing? Currently I have 3 points in showdown

[potent heath]

@primal wraith 3points in quad 2points in frailty (enhance+bountiful) some prefers additional attack. Would like to hear from others too on frailty pts

[graceful salmon]

i don't think above read your question correctly. you definitely do not want to do that. you are on the right track, 3 showdown and 2 quad (reinforce/extra strike)

[potent heath]

@graceful salmon after reading it again. Yes youre right.

[primal wraith]

Thanks! Already put one point into frailty though 🥲

[potent heath]

@primal wraith so sorry man misinterpreted your question.

[primal wraith]

haha no worries!

[spare peak]

Hi, i am new in the game. I would like help please

[graceful salmon]

Welcome! Ask away

[spare peak]

I'm starting I have 6 days playing. I want to have some friend who can guide me and help me with the progress. I don't want to do bad things.

[graceful salmon]

#msm-game-help message

This graphic/guide is a good starting point. Focus on leveling and starforce. First milestone will be sf144

[spare peak]

Thank you

[kindred lake]

Hey NLs I was curious is shadow surge a iframe or nah?

[sturdy grotto]

It’s not.

[mint pike]

what should i craft after throwing star barrage, shurricane or shadow walker

im thinking shadow walker but not sure which will give me most dps first

[graceful salmon]

Shurrikane

[mint pike]

wow thats surprising, guess shadow walker isnt as good as pc maple

[tired monolith]

Do we need more CD emblems than BA?

[graceful salmon]

that seems to be the move now, yea haha

[graceful salmon]

i wouldn't say it's not as good, it's just that it's a "bossing" buff with 3 min cd. shurrikane can be used every 30 secs in all content and is a nice chunk of dmg.

[normal vector]

maxing shurikane or shadow walker second is better?

[graceful salmon]

i'd do shurrikane next. iirc maxing shadow walker raises the total fd by just under 5%. if you think that's better for you, you can prio it how you please!

[sturdy grotto]

do we have an ideal ratio of CD & BA emblem for a NL after remaster?

mine use 4:4 for now

[graceful salmon]

i feel like the overall consensus is that CD heavy is more effective across all classes now. but the bottom line of diminishing returns once you reach 400-450% CD is still something to be aware of. i'm 5:3 atm CD heavy with around 425% CD

[tired monolith]

For hyper stats what’s next after maxing mdc,fd,adi and pdi?

[eternal panther]

Ba

[frank glacier]

cd

[gray canyon]

How to get high crit rate for nl? I’m only 30% crit rate

[broken pelican]

15% Cd vs 20% BA and you choose CD ?

[graceful salmon]

set bonuses, flames, crit rate gear can all bridge that 20% gap you need

[gray canyon]

Ohhh we just need 50?

[graceful salmon]

50 is the base % you are aiming for. with the new crit changes: the more, the better. but 50% is what you want at LEAST. the other 50% crit rate will come from food buffs. carrot juice 30% & tangyoon noodles 20%

on the topic of crit rate: having a necro weapon also grants you the ability to use a toggle skill called fair trade; which grants you 100% crit rate while ticking 2,500 dmg off of your hp every second or so

[eternal panther]

20% ba is better lol cd should be after that

[kindred lake]

20% BA is most definitely better

[atomic palm]

this guy high as fuck lmao

[primal wraith]

Hey guys, for Quad Star hypers, which one is more significant? +20% FD or the extra hit? I will eventually get both but currently only have 1 point until I get a reset scroll

[graceful salmon]

In most cases the extra line is bigger. The stronger you are, the more beneficial it is as well. One more line to cap!

[primal wraith]

Thanks!

[cosmic kestrel]

Going to hit lvl 200 in 30min or so

[cosmic kestrel]

PC EU scania?

[tame girder]

Isn’t Shadow Surge supposed to have Dark Sight effect? I don’t think it does. Would Nexon add it?

[graceful salmon]

You’re thinking of PCMS. In MSM, it’s just a dash. IMO, they are unlikely to add it since dark sight is an iframe in MSM

[sturdy grotto]

poor NL 🥹

it would be great if we have iframe like DB & Shad

[fresh widget]

Guys, need some opinion. For hyper skills, after maxing QS, curse do u guys add the boutiful enhance or rather add to showdown FD?

[sturdy grotto]

i think showdown fd is better before you reach 200

[fresh widget]

how about post 200 ?

[cosmic kestrel]

Any tips for V Matrix for new lvl 200 nl?

[broken pelican]

curse and Quad

[crystal totem]

Post 200, if you're going for a bossing build instead of training, you'll do 3 in quad star & 2 in frailty curse

[crystal totem]

perfect trio is quad star, assassins mark, and four seasons
Focus on getting those trio's maxed, craft rope lift, and craft v skills, but dont level them until your boost nodes (perfect trio's) are maxed

[fresh widget]

will u say sudden raid, dark flare and showdown is not essential ?

some ppl mentioned about 2 sets of perfect trios for NL

wondering if need the 2nd sets, and love to hear opinions

[crystal totem]

Yeah, could go for the remaining perfect trio’s after you max QS, AM, & FS. Just priority 1 should be the one that includes QS & AM. I know it used to be different too, I think right around remaster the KMSM perfect trio’s chart showed sudden raid instead of four seasons, so you could probably get away with that— main focus should be quad star + assassins mark to lvl 60

[eternal panther]

[potent heath]

Got video?

[eternal panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeVc89y8RBc

[potent heath]

Ohhhmaaaiiigaaaddd

[mellow adder]

Legends say he is f2p

[kindred lake]

May I know why Necro Claw is a lot more exp compared to e.g. Jaihin/Raven?

I wanna get a Chaos (blue) weapon, but Necro claw is waaaaay to expensive Raven and others are more affordable.

[fringe glacier]

Necro gives more phys attack and base CD%. Also has fair trade skill which gives 100% CR for the cost of like 2.5k hp per second or something like that.

Also goes from necro to abso where as if ancient, it would need to go from Ancient > Chaos at 40% chsnce, then chaos to abso at a 5% chance.

[kindred lake]

For non-necro claws, can they still go from Ancient > Chaos, and then Chaos to Abso?

[fringe glacier]

Non necro aka Ancient Raven or just Ancient whatever base, can go from ancient to chaos then to abso.

But the rng is not on your side. Like I said 40% chance for ancient to chaos which isn’t bad, but then only 5% for chaos to abso.

[kindred lake]

Ah, got it. So from Chaos to Abso, it's 40% for Necro, and 5% for Non-Necro

[fringe glacier]

Nope, Necro skips chaos all together and turns into Abso.

But necro > abso is 10% chance.

[kindred lake]

Damn, thanks for the clarification! I'll wait for a good necro to buy then.

[potent heath]

@kindred lake https://youtu.be/jIw04qwJNKo

[lament mirage]

Didn't this guy quit?

[eternal panther]

Nope

[lament mirage]

Lmao he did

He sold all those lvl 60 Absolabs

[eternal panther]

Then the video is outdated lol

[lament mirage]

He just upload this video just for some cheap trills

Flexing on everyone

He is kinda messed up

He fucked with his server

Asking everyone to help him with his lvl 60 Absolab building

Then after making all 4 gears to 60

[eternal panther]

He was strong tho

[lament mirage]

He does abit of content, then decides to sell off those 4 gears at a cheaper price

[slow umbra]

Its that player money and how he wants to spend it

The fact that there are people who are willing to help him although they felt "used" in the end after he decides to sell off those lvl 60 Absolab is still not entirely the player's fault

He still paid them

Those who helped him could have decided for themselves whether to help him (get some extra cash) or just save the resource for their own character building so the fault also lies on them

[slow umbra]

The news about this player selling off those lvl 60 Absolab is mainly within the Taiwan Msm facebook page and LINE group

So there is no way anyone outside A1 will know about this unless through word of mouth or they are inside those chatgroups

[lament mirage]

Wait

Are we allowed to disclose RWT stuff here?

Seriously wtf

[graceful salmon]

delete

[lament mirage]

delete this pls

[cosmic kestrel]

Guys better to farm to AF60 or SF180?

lvl 200nl

[sturdy grotto]

before 215 - af90 should be the best map so far (meso,node,exp)

but if you was rushing and want only exp - go sf194

[fresh widget]

Anyone knows if v3 is any good for NL?

[broken pelican]

yes

its good

[fresh widget]

cant wait for it!

[kindred lake]

Whew. I was depressed for the last 2 days because I'm a returning player who just funded a NL fresh account, and I don't see NL being mentioned anywhere, as a recommended starter

[broken pelican]

[kindred lake]

I thought NL no longer a good class

[eternal panther]

Not as long as before

Wait for v4 which will be our 2nd biggest burst

[graceful salmon]

Throw blasting op

[kindred lake]

Cant waittttt

[crystal totem]

Never recommended as starter since it’s not as f2p friendly as other classes— but if you’re funding, even a little bit, it’s fun. Once you get to 200 and get barrage, those 60-90 seconds of burst (v skill lvl dependent for duration) is pretty powerful. NL is OP in short fights

[kindred lake]

Understood! Can't wait to 200, I'm just at 176 now.

[graceful salmon]

Yea not surviving higher sf just to get to 200 is also a pain without funding

[fresh widget]

is this a new v skill?

[fresh widget]

what skill is that?

[eternal panther]

U don't know from pc?

https://youtu.be/c97FIeNRmAI

[graceful salmon]

V4

[fresh widget]

omgg.. thats nice!!

good to see NL still relevant after so many OP class that has been dominating

[eternal panther]

V4 is like barrage 2.0

But better since you can apply it to showdown as well

[fresh widget]

i guess v4 will take a long while to come?

[eternal panther]

next year in july

[potent heath]

Whats our v3 like?

[graceful salmon]

It’s a big aoe placeable/summon that I believe gives passive stat boost while it’s up? It does in pcms at least. Haven’t read a kmsm translation to confirm the passive stat boost.

[potent heath]

Skip to 0:14 in the vdo for NL

https://youtu.be/Zko7DapmkjQ

[glossy hollow]

Ong not quad, sudden raid and Assasin mark?

[crystal totem]

I think after remaster, the move was to go with four seasons instead of sudden raid since four seasons is 18 hit count, 350% skill damage every 10 seconds whereas sudden raid is 5 hit count, 380% skill damage, w/ a 200% skill damage 15sec debuff, every 30 seconds.

Not 100% sure if I'm right on this but seemed the more expert NLs suggested four seasons > sudden raid for a perfect trio.
I'll try to look farther back in this chat and find when people were talking about it.

[glossy hollow]

But if I have two trio. So as long as those skill that u mention is I

In

It’s fine ya?

[crystal totem]

yeah you'd need 2x trio's with quad/assassin mark/ four seasons

[glossy hollow]

Got it mate thanks A lot!

[crystal totem]

here's a message link to when they were talking about it. Seems like Four seasons is the way to go!
#1059991474357424148 message

Math makes sense to me too-- 18 hit count, times 3 (while waiting on sudden raid cooldown), makes it 54x 350% Skill damage, where as sudden raid is 5x 380% Skill damage w/ 200% SD continuous damage for 15 seconds.
Would be curious to see if anyone has hard data on testing the 2, but I can say I don't have all the answers so hopefully some others can chime in.

maybe @graceful salmon ?

[graceful salmon]

I’m unsure, I’ve never had to look into it since my trios are QS/SD/MARK - RAID/FS/FLARE. but i tested SR just now and counted 29(?) hits of sudden raid DOT.

Sudden raid
5x 380% (+5 weaker SP hits)
29x 200%
34x
(Not including SP hits)

Four seasons
54x 350%

[graceful salmon]

Oh oops

Fixed

[crystal totem]

Yeah makes sense then— Four Seasons is strongggg. Thanks for testing!

[tired monolith]

Do you guys still use four seasons during barrage or only when barrage is down?

[sturdy grotto]

imo during barrage if most of your lines are capped or close to cap then four season doesn’t help much.

[crystal totem]

I attack with a preset for quad star/ four seasons/ venom burst, so I use it basically every 10 seconds of a fight

[solemn temple]

Is venom burst or shadow walker worth crafting? What do they do exactly

[graceful salmon]

yes, venom burst is another 30sec cooldown aoe(+dot) and shadow walker is a buff that supplements your burst timeframe with a lot of final dmg

[solemn temple]

Which is worth going for first if u had to choose one?

[glossy hollow]

I’ll take shadow walker

[solemn temple]

Does anyone mind posting a ss of shadow walker, or dming to me?

[sturdy grotto]

each level increse
duration +0.5 sec
final dmg +0.2

[broken pelican]

nice flex in there with the abso cape

[solemn temple]

When is quad star buff

[kindred lake]

After QS hyper skills are learnt, I saw previously it was mentioned that if above level 200, it's better to learn FC. But may I know if it's FC-Enhance/Additional Attack/or Bountiful Enhance?

[broken pelican]

add attacks

and the ress one

[kindred lake]

Thank you!

[glossy hollow]

This met which dmg increase?

For all your skill that boss is@in the curse?

So all your attack will be 255%?

[broken pelican]

no ur curse will do extra dmg of 255%

if u summon him

he will do dmg to

[glossy hollow]

Ok. Usually last how long Ah. The boss musy inside the curse right?

[glossy hollow]

Got it thanks man

Now I have 2 point

Which 2 should I go first

U got any idea

[grand root]

What’s the difference between NL and NW? And which is better/ more fun to play with? Thx 🙂

[broken pelican]

NL is the Lord NW is just a Walker

jk

they pretty similar

but play what is fun for you not for the most

i prefer for me NL

[grand root]

Lol thx 🙂

[kindred lake]

NL more bursty, but NW more consistent dps

NW also has iframes and NL has none

[graceful salmon]

We have dark sight, 10 second iframe

[eternal panther]

#buffnl

[tired monolith]

Rebalance coming soon! Buff NL!!

[sturdy grotto]

hope it was a buff not nerf 😂

[glossy hollow]

Lol, dunno what’s the outcome

[eternal panther]

Quad back to 400%

[potent heath]

Whenever nexon mention rebalance i fear its nerfing rather than buff.........

[weary cedar]

I’m 7:1 maybe I need more BA

[glossy hollow]

wts, u mean quad last time were 400%?!??!

[weary cedar]

Should I reroll phantom 😂 NL gives no support and I’m too poor to whale on mega dps gear

[broken pelican]

yeah i stopped to trust nexon when i see NL get a rebalance

[sturdy grotto]

ikr

[broken pelican]

from 400%-280% was the last few rebalances we got

[glossy hollow]

Gggg

[eternal panther]

Rip

[weary cedar]

Why wait for someday when it could be today

[glossy hollow]

U use triple throw for boss??????

[eternal panther]

lol

[weary cedar]

U will soon when they nerf QS again this rebalance

[glossy hollow]

Oh my dog

[kindred lake]

Please god noooo

[kindred lake]

NL's QS skill spamming during bossing makes my thumb hurts. How y'all cope with it? It we just have to get used to it

[sturdy grotto]

barrage can’t applied to triple throw 😂

[kindred lake]

meaning? sorry if I missed the point, as i've not reached 200 yet 🥹

[solemn temple]

Throwing star barrage causes quad star to fly in 3 additional directions, each doing 25% final damage

It effectively 1.75x your damage, and a bit more since you get additional assassin's mark procs

Its a buff at lvl 1 lasts 60s with 3 min cooldown

If they nerf QS I'm quitting

[eternal panther]

They will probably buff QS since we need it to beat damien

[solemn temple]

I'm holding you to that @eternal panther

!!!

[weary cedar]

They’ll just buff every other class

To beat Damian

[solemn temple]

LOL

[weary cedar]

NL will just get carried

When it’s farm status

[solemn temple]

We going to the gutter boys

Fun while it lasted

[weary cedar]

Cuz we bring nothing anyways

Bring no support

Bring no mobbing

Bring mediocre dps

[solemn temple]

Does glass cannon mean nothing in bossing anymore?

Resurrect our role!!

[weary cedar]

Just glass no cannon

[solemn temple]

So they should revive the cannon

Right, RIGHT?

[weary cedar]

They gave our cannon away to other classes

[eternal panther]

Just make barrage unlimited duration

[solemn temple]

LOL

[kindred lake]

NL v3 and v4 though

[weary cedar]

I just want them to release the rebalance patch notes before Blair ends in 3 days

[kindred lake]

prob best burst after those release

[weary cedar]

So I know if I should RR when the rebal is shit

[solemn temple]

Patch notes usually come out Wednesday?

[eternal panther]

v4 is the best burst

barrage 2.0

[solemn temple]

V4 not out for another year?

[kindred lake]

yea

[solemn temple]

How can they expect us to wait that long. Throw us a bone with QS

[weary cedar]

DW guys, we’ll be good again in 1-2 years when they release more v skills

Just cope until then

[kindred lake]

nw > nl by then

[eternal panther]

[weary cedar]

Wym by then, they are now

[loud compass]

guys, i've limited v matrix slots now
I have all decent skills atm (sharp eye, combat order and speed infusion)
if i used all three of these decent skills, i have 0 slots for ds4/venom burst
My question is should i compromise venom burst for speed infusion?
in culvert, which one i should compromise for ds4?

[glossy hollow]

I thought asssasin mark is a passive

[graceful salmon]

nope

he's talking about barrage. he didn't say anything about marks from what i'm reading

just that barrage enhances procs of mark, nothing about having to actively use it

[glossy hollow]

Ah Okok got it to hanks mate

[pliant edge]

Hello all returning players after 3 years. Just asking if crimson soul good for NL? With tight budget?

[crystal totem]

Crimson Queen souls? Are you asking if it's any good on your weapon? Would need to see weapon to give a thumbs up or thumbs down, and which Crimson Queen soul is it?

[pliant edge]

Yup the souls. Using 15.5% on weapon and the rest for EXP on mysthic weapon the rest is legend

And is the skill souls good for NL or could have gotten better souls

[crystal totem]

Sounds like that is fine for now 😄
What level are you?

[pliant edge]

Only lvl 153

[crystal totem]

Idk, I don't use my soul skill tbh

[crystal totem]

Oh yeah you're fine where you're at!
What SF you training in?

[pliant edge]

This is what left behind 3 years ago. And started playing bacn 4 days ago. So not sure what i should do now with all the update going on.

[crystal totem]

Hmmm okay I think first milestone should be SF144. Basically need all your gear at minimum SF17, but shoot for 18 if you remake your gears from unique. Not sure if they had unique restoration scrolls 3 years ago but if you break a unique item from Star Forcing, you can use any unique item to make a unique restoration scroll for 3m mesos, so most people suggest getting your gear to at least SF18 while they're unique, since it's much more cost efficient.

[kindred lake]

^ but sometimes exact copy dupes are cheaper to restore with as well. shoulder/belt/cape usually more cost effective with scrolls though

[pliant edge]

Thanks bro. And which hyper stat should i add or focus to?

[crystal totem]

honestly for now (pre-200) do showdown-enhance, showdown-reinforce, and all 3 quad star points.
Post 200, I have all 3 quad star and curse-additional attack & curse-bountiful enhance

you just want showdown for now so you can 1 or 2 hit ko the monsters in your SF field when you get to SF 144/168/180/194

[normal vector]

Anyone know if barrage applies to shadow clone on PC?

Currently mobile, barrrage doesn’t work wit shadoe clone :/

[plucky sundial]

It doesn't apply to Shadow Partner on PC, either.

Has anyone done any testing on Venom Burst for classes with Venom?
A quick test on guild dummy has me doing more DoT with the Vskill unequipped.
Not sure if the active component makes it worth using.

NL's class Venom passive is 265% skill damage
Venom Burst at max level is 210%

against the guild dummy, I was doing 1m extra per tick of venom without VB equipped

[weary cedar]

It does nothing at low levels vs regular venom

Similar dps

You either want to level it up, or u need to pair it with DS4 and shurrikane for bosses with defense to burst

[broken pelican]

i hope they buff quad and Mark! and as extra they can make the sec after the dash invisibility

[sturdy grotto]

its too good to be true lol

[glossy hollow]

Woot

Good news for nl*!

Faulty can put inside pet already

[weary cedar]

▶ Night Lord
Skill
Changes

Frailty Curse

• Frailty Curse's cooldown was decreased to mitigate the penalty for skills that are summoned on a fixed location, and adjustments were made to compensate for the DPS and efficiency drops against certain boss patterns.

• Cooldown decreased from 60 sec to 5 sec

Only change lmfao

Some rebalance.

[glossy hollow]

Asian mark

Asssisain mark

Dunno how many percent increase

[loud compass]

That’s just skill effect.
The only improvement is the frailty curse cd time

[glossy hollow]

Ong zzz

[broken pelican]

joke what they did here

to call it rebalance for all classes

[sturdy grotto]

they're just toyed with us

[potent heath]

Somehow.......luckily we didnt get nerfed

[weary cedar]

Cosmetic only

No change to dmg

[sturdy grotto]

poor NL 🥹

[broken pelican]

yeah was rdy to see quad nerf again 🤣

[broken pelican]

i wonder how the cruse will work and if the duration time changed or it cancel the old one when you reuse it

[sturdy grotto]

me too

[weary cedar]

I assume cancel old

[broken pelican]

then its just a joke

stack would be nice at least some extra dps

[weary cedar]

I doubt it stacks

Cancel old, duration same

No way duration changed to 5s

Not losing 1 qs for fc

[sturdy grotto]

so after this patch we need to put 1 point of hyper passive to “frailty curse - additional atk” ?

tbh this patch was a joke for us 😂

[fresh widget]

it really is a joke update for us.... seriously.....

[broken pelican]

that i got already since it started

[sturdy grotto]

[potent heath]

Imagine having max 3x frailty that can stack. For bossing gonna be great and for farming gonna be sligtly better since we extended our range...

[weary cedar]

It does negligible dmg anyways

[sturdy grotto]

255% with no boost node helped

dam i think it sucks ☹️

[tired monolith]

Was our clone doing add dmg before?

[tired monolith]

From add dmg hyper stats

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[tired monolith]

So this is a nerf for us?

[sturdy grotto]

imo with this changed i think all of the thief will get nerfed (except phantom)

we’ll see it tmr

[weary cedar]

Phantom too

[sturdy grotto]

🆗

[broken pelican]

depends on if the new out put is much better

[rancid topaz]

What an ugly rebalancing for the NL

[weary cedar]

Not even a rebalance for NL

They didn’t change us at all

Only changes were the ones that were across the board

FC get a cool down reduction doesnt count for shit

😂

[broken pelican]

100% success rate 1.5sec CD 12 Lines 200% dmg

[sturdy grotto]

look at this kmsm patch note today ☹️ so they just ignored our shurrikane 🤬

[broken pelican]

[glossy hollow]

Maybe they check, nightlord never really buy crystal

So

No buff

LoL

[sturdy grotto]

lol

[tame girder]

Hi guys I wanted to double check the hyper skills. What hyper skills should NL use?

I am a little confused on the frailty curse skill. Does both phy dmg reduction (frailty enhanced) and cri dmg reduction (frailty bountiful enhanced) reduce boss defense and therefore increase dps?

[sturdy grotto]

i also confused about this too 😔

[crystal quail]

idk but i tried yesterday with crit dmg reduce and phy damage redux in gd and scored 674m, with crit damage reduce and extra damage i scored 701m, so I'm thinking those are better

[tame girder]

The problem is gd boss doesn’t have defense. For boss content like ark and lotus the phy dmg and cri dmg reduction may be better because the dot does like 1 dmg?

[weary cedar]

You should be capping the dot

[tame girder]

Ohh

Is phy dmg reduction of 10% better or cri dmg reduction of 20% better?

[crystal totem]

Did we really expect any different??
Just happy QS didn’t get pushed down to 200%🤣🤣🤣

[eternal panther]

Wait until July anniversary update

[broken pelican]

true

[graceful salmon]

I’m just happy we didn’t get nerfed again

[tame girder]

NL is the weakest thief now so it would horrible if it gets nerfed again

[sturdy grotto]

[weary cedar]

July update, QS nerf to 170%

7 for July

[graceful salmon]

[eternal panther]

[broken pelican]

[calm vessel]

Isn't the frailty curse change good in Lotus?

[sturdy grotto]

an evolution of QS being nerfed

400% > 370% > 360% > 280% > ??? what next ???

[broken pelican]

until 360% i was like ok thats not the end of the world but 280% killed me

[eternal panther]

0%

[weary cedar]

280 > 250 > 240 > 170 > 100

still forever 4 lines

[sturdy grotto]

yea

[weary cedar]

think 20% crit dmg reduce is better but not 100% sure

[tame girder]

In actuality it should be 10% phy dmg red and 10% less enemy dmg and 20% enemy slower compared to 20% cri dmg reduction .

[sturdy grotto]

according to skill description it should be one of the great skill but in a real situation likes a boss fight or etc.. i don't see any different tbh

[weary cedar]

It only says dmg reduction, doesnt double the other stuff

[normal vector]

I have both

[normal vector]

Can’t believe quad was at 400% lol

OP

[sturdy grotto]

its a good old day 😔

does slow debuff in frailty curse applied to a laser in lotus phase 1 ?

[normal vector]

Yes my guild mate says

[sturdy grotto]

oh

ty sir

[sturdy grotto]

new assasin marks effect is a joke 😂 lol

so tiny

[eternal panther]

no buffs rip

[sturdy grotto]

my GD score still the same

atleast we don’t get nerfed

FYI each lvl of v2 shurrikane will increse IED +0.3%

[tired monolith]

Where is our shurrikane buff?!

[sturdy grotto]

[tired monolith]

Every class is getting increase hit count while we’re stuck with 4 lines forever

[drifting latch]

Names are powerful

Ask nexon to get rid of quad

[tame girder]

Quad lolol

[plucky sundial]

So the active component of VB makes it worth using, and I should have it on my preset?

I'm just not too sure how the skill works as there are 3 components to it in the description
Hit Count 8 -> guessing this is just 8 lines when button is pressed
Venom Debuff -> replaces Venom passive

but not sure what [Explosive Deadly Poison] means

if it's just 4 lines of damage, that doesn't seem worth it to use, given the DOT drop

Maybe at higher levels now due to IED, the passive component would be better as it allows for higher cap against bosses with def
but seems like 12 lines on a 30s cd doesn't make up for the DOT loss over the 30s
and especially not when barrage is on

[sturdy grotto]

what ???

[potent heath]

Do you guys still cast frailty curse?

I feel like casting FR every 5s during boss is quite a waste of time.

[broken pelican]

you dont need to use it all 5sec

the 5 sec CD is now for bosses who move

that you can use it again

when the boss moves his place

@potent heath

[potent heath]

Ahahahaha ok! I think i see it now. My settings is at transparent. Was just keeping my eyes on the CD.

[pliant edge]

Hi guys is the 30% Exp worth buying? Am trying to lvl my NL lvl 168 to 200 is it possible? With burning as well

[drifting latch]

Do you mean 30% orange exp ticket?

[pliant edge]

Yup and the ab as well?

[drifting latch]

Hmm I think if you do all ht, you can probably get to 200 by end of burning event

So I would get ab over exp coupons

But if you’re gonna spend for ab, it’s best to just buy one of those ab packages they have from time to time

Oh you should be in sf180+ or else I don’t think it’s possible to hit 200

[eternal panther]

Yea