#DEW Selection for F2P

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timid drum
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Quick explanation: F2P can buy DEW 1s, 3c, and 2R, but can only have one of them in their inventory at a time, and they cost many ingots/tokens. So, they get access to either a heavy, medium or light DEW.

In my opinion, DEW guns like the 1s and 3c have become essential to the gameplay of Day of Dusk. A large majority of active players own atleast one DEW, making this a very prevalent thing. Yet, f2p players are limited in their selection of DEWs, and weapons in general.
So, I propose the following system for F2P DEWs:

Mechanics

  • F2P players have access to the more basic DEW weapons, being the 1S, the 3C, and the 2R. The 4HM, 5SS and X-33 are higher tier, and remain gamepass exclusive.
    -F2P players can purchase the three DEWs for ingots.
    -They can only have ONE of them at a time. So, they cannot have a 1s and a 3C at the same time, and so on. They are limited to just ONE, but they have larger variety.
    -If a player purchases a DEW, then purchases a different one, they lose the one they had before.
    -If a player owns a DEW through gamepass, it is excluded from these rules, but any that they buy for free are included.
    -DEWs would be more expensive, and would take some grinding to obtain, keeping the convenience appeal of gamepasses prevalent.

If standard guns like FAMAS and Remington became free as well, this would make the gun variety and playstyle variety in the game much better.

Pros
F2P has better fighting chance. Access to more playstyles. P2W players remain strong, as they can have more DEWs at once, and have access to the stronger ones, but they are still hard to obtain. More weapon variety, less boring game.

Cons
F2P will have better chances against P2W, which could dissuade people from buying gamepasses. Slightly less profit. Possibly hard to add to the game? Feel free to add and share your thoughts.

devout pulsar
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first

cursive root
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Depending on the cost, people would still buy the respective gamepasses

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But overall, I like the idea

timid drum
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I think they should be expensive and take a decent grind to obtain. The only one at a time restriction also keeps the gamepass appeal there, in my opinion. So, I don’t think it reduces the p2w power significantly, nor the value of gamepasses.

cursive root
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Yeah, if it's too cheap the Chairman might as well just remove the gamepasses

languid creek
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this would be so helpful for f2p

sharp dawn
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yes but no 1s

timid drum
# sharp dawn yes but no 1s

I get why you say this, but I think the prevalence of one shots to the point where they’re inevitable makes 1s access fair, and so does the fact that with the 1s the player sacrifices a good offensive weapon like a 3c for a one shot. Most non-3c automatics suck imo.

unreal ingot
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No 1s

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Maybe 4hm

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And 5ss

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Thing sucks ass anyways

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You’ll be lucky to one pump with it

winter zodiac
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I like this but don't make 1s f2p 😡

lyric mango
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Yes but no 1s

timid drum
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I see a lot of opposition for having the 1s be included. Why is it so? Do you guys think it to be too strong for F2P? Maybe it’s unbalanced in general?

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Without 1s this suggestion just becomes “make 2R free”, no?

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And I’ve mentioned that by taking the 1s over the other options, the F2P would still be giving something up, that being a strong primary like the 3c.

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Also, I believe like 70% of active people in game have a 1s. If it were added for free, and made super expensive, that number wouldn’t go up much. Gamepasses ownership would still go up too.

lapis moss
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3C AED quest

sharp dawn
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yeah its not gonna be fun having everyone run around with a 1 shot weapon

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3c and 2r arent one shots you actually gotta try a lil

willow remnant
timid drum
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Ingot price I mean

sharp dawn
timid drum
sharp dawn
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thats more fair i feel like

timid drum
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I hate one shots too but they’re so common and spammed so much wouldn’t it counterbalance it if we gave it to F2P?

sharp dawn
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you kind of want them to have something else

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adding more stuff to a problem wont solve it

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same as this situation, lots of 1s you dont really want more

timid drum
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Lowkey the 1s is why I hardly play this game

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It’s so fucking annoying

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But I’m thinking giving it to F2P could offset that a little bit

floral hatch
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we dont need more 1 tap weapons to be added into gameplay istg

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its already 1tap or die

devout stone
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no more 1s eggatron x33 5ss musket firework gun for u

timid drum
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Keep in mind with this system it’s just one, not all of them

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And you can’t have it alongside other dews unless you own the gamepass

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So it would be a fair bit of a disadvantage to the user to take it over a 3c or 2R

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The profit loss is also negligible because there’s SO MANY gamepasses

lyric mango
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everyone having a 1s wouldn’t be balanced it would just ruin combat

timid drum
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Anytime I play 90% of my deaths are to a 1s

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So it wouldn’t make a difference

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Either 1s gets nerfed or everyone gets it

surreal agate
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Nuh uh

lyric mango
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making the 1s free is stupid because of how op it is

willow remnant
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the purpose of that was to atleast Operative+ and raiders that cant afford it can have fun trying that gun. it can also encourage them to buy it or save up for it because of just how powerful it is.

lyric mango
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won’t disagree with it being an event type thing

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plus ngl the 2R is ass

pearl verge
crystal turtle
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i've had ideas regarding dews

if the ideas i have in mind are implemented, then f2p players will be able to get 1s, 2r, and 3c

this would be more directed towards insurrectionists and aegis though, so wastelanders would have to make a choice as to which side they join (to get better equipment)

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it wont be as easy as JUST going to a shop and buying them

willow remnant
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even better

pearl verge
zenith stump
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this is finally a good concept

zenith stump
willow remnant
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CORE seems good or you'll need some materials to craft it but it might takes days for devs to even develop a concept about it

devout stone
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there could be a workshop and u would need like mini cores batteries fedoralite n shit to make it

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of course itll be expensive

low dagger
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hear me out

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u can steal blueprints from warehouse

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and u need said blueprints with ingots and moonstone to create the respective weapon

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like minecraft (how something's don't show on the recipe book before u discover em)

twin current
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1s no.

crystal turtle
timid drum
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Warehouse seems a bit much to me though

crystal turtle
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I don't want to give details, but I plan for it to be relatively difficult/rare on both sides

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Nothing impossible, but nothing really common

timid drum
low dagger
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stage 1: bring blueprint
stage 2: bring xx item
stage 3: bring yy item
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stage n: Provide x ingots
quest complete, provided with an item

timid drum
severe ibex
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Pretty sure this is a banned suggestion:

  • More buy-able gamepasses in game for X amount of scrap/credits.
low dagger
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its progressed into a quest system

robust mist
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Nah

crystal turtle
severe ibex
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👍

timid drum
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I think having it be only for raider faction too instead of just any wastelander is a great way to balance it

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I hope something like this is implemented

cedar marten
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Nice try diddy.

timid drum
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What do you mean

tawdry imp
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ingots is the same i believe

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🤓

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someone ban this man

low dagger
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r u like

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stupid

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clloned would have locked this already if that was the issue

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literally 4 messages above

cedar marten
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Being confrontational gets us nowhere

low dagger
timid drum
tawdry imp
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not my issue

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you're the one who's stupid

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🤡

tawdry imp
low dagger
tawdry imp
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the main idea is that u cant suggest buying dews with igc

low dagger
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no its cuz theres effectively inf scraps rn

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and they have no value

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so making them buyable by scrap/credits essentially makes it free

tawdry imp
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either way its been said multiple times not to suggest buying dews

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igc is igc

low dagger
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yeah totally not clloned saying that its valid and that if it was blacklisted, as brought up earlier, he wouldve "messed with it" himself

low dagger
tawdry imp
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i didnt read the entire thread but

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dont have to be an asshole about it

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and its borderline blacklisted

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i had to the right to do that

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pushing it with this suggestion

timid drum
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“Don’t have to be an asshole” he says after saying to ban me and calling me the nerd emoji. And didn’t even read the thread? Piss off.

cedar marten
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This is a shit suggestion regardless of being blacklisted or not

timid drum
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Could you maybe explain why

cedar marten
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Because F2P aren’t even real people

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and they certainly don’t deserve dews

timid drum
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Is this a joke or your actual argument

cedar marten
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Both

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Your free to play mind simply cannot comprehend the higher thinking of us who have paid our way to victory.

timid drum
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Time is money, after all.

cedar marten
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Money is money

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If you truly cared about dylanjkls profits this feature should at least only be for those with Roblox premium

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So that our overlord can maximize earnings

timid drum
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I do care about the profits because I considered them when writing this suggestion. Hence, the access to dews is so limited and tedious. So people will still have interest in gamepasses.

cedar marten
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Ok now time for serious aeroflare feedback

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3c is better than 4hm but that’s already free

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And also getting ingots is not hard

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especially now with moonstone caverns

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you can get thousands of ingots in 5 minutes

timid drum
# cedar marten And also getting ingots is not hard

Which is why other things like the blueprint idea would be needed. As well as a limitation of how many dew guns you CAN have, being one. So you’re still severely handicapped even with this new access.

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F2ps will not be on equal terms with this idea

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Just have more access to dews

cedar marten
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Can it be one life only

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So that I can kill f2p players as soon as they get the dew

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Purely because I am evil

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Wait a minute

timid drum
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Do you really think having such an anti-F2P game is healthy for its longevity

lyric mango
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also with the power armor

cedar marten
lyric mango
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you can be pretty OP as a f2p

cedar marten
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Yeah because I see a lot of f2ps running around with power armour

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very common occurrence

cedar marten
timid drum
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But power armor is fair cause it’s hard to get

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With this idea the dews would be similar in difficulty of obtainment

cedar marten
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power armour should be removed ngl

timid drum
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I agree

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So should the dumbass “hawke tuahe” npc

cedar marten
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Or completely nerfed

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So it’s way less op but also easier to get

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make it like 25% of the moonstone and it just turns you into a pksf

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making something op to compensate for something else op is never good

timid drum
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This is not that kind of idea. This is a widely distribute something op instead of keeping it locked idea. A make everyone strong instead of some strong others weak, to an extent.

crystal turtle
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u grab 20 people with a 1s and they'd be gone in a blink of an eye lol

gleaming isle
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also the DEW weapons being grindy shouşld stay when you rejoin

surreal agate
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Then it's just a free gp

gleaming isle
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then atleast make the regular ingame buyable guns stay

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it gets really annoying

lyric mango
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Nah

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May as well make all guns free at that point

proper hazel
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Whats with the amount of dew suggestions

unreal ingot
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Broke ppl want to get the weapons of even broker ppl

timid drum
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I think a better alternative to this suggestion could also just be adding new non-dew guns and making Remington/famas free

severe ibex
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I like how these suggestions never come from anyone with the Robux roles

timid drum
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Nor the unfairness that come with it.

severe ibex
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Also this isn't charity, it's a way for the Chairman to make some money too, so adding paid advantages is logical

timid drum
severe ibex
timid drum
# severe ibex It's not a bad business model, it's worked for years now. Also the low player co...

It’s worked for years by having the same p2w people playing the game. Just because it makes profits doesn’t mean it isn’t bad. It literally drives away all F2P players or converts them to p2w, which very rarely happens. Having the same player base for years prevents expansion, doesn’t it? The majority of new players just leave because they realize it’s no fun unless you pay boatloads of money. And isn’t this game prized for having much more to do than most border games? Why would people even buy gamepasses in the case of there being nothing to do? People play cause there’s thing to do, but having such limitations for not paying drives them away and thus hinders the games overall success.

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I think with this system short-term payments that are never repeated are prioritized, instead of a steady flow of many players that contribute to the popularity and profits of the game.

severe ibex
# timid drum It’s worked for years by having the same p2w people playing the game. Just becau...

Let me explain this from someone who has been here for a couple years and bought gamepasses myself. The thing is, there will always be people who (under the right pressure) will transform from F2P into P2W, which in this game means spending tens of thousands of Robux per SINGLE PERSON.

I know this because I have been F2P for about a year myself, but over time, when I realized AEGIS is not just a short-term thing for me, I decided to buy my first gamepass, the DEW-1S. Let me tell you this, the game is awesomely designed when it comes to gamepasses, the moment I bought the 1S, I had so much power... yet not enough for me to be able to absolutely obliterate absolutely anyone. This results in you being inclined to buy more, so I eventually ended up buying 3C as well... then light and heavy kevlar... and 4HM... and night vision... then at this point, you're powerful, you got yourself some roles in this server and overall feel nice.

Eventually, I ended up buying all the chestplates as well as all the DEWs just to get the roles, then some more gamepasses - spending over R$50,000 in the process. And I'm not alone, because this game is aimed towards a slightly older player base, which means the players have something that younger player bases don't always have - money. This game values long-term players over short-term ones, because just like me, if you decide that you want to keep playing, you're likely to end up investing into this hobby. In the end, it doesn't matter if 50 people buy your gamepass for R$1,000 or a single long-term player spends R$50,000 in the long run.

Overall I think this is an amazing business model that, thanks to a small but loyal player base will keep running and bringing money, because from time to time, there will always be a new player who is willing to invest in it.

surreal agate
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yeah

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also sounds like you like a role

timid drum
# severe ibex Let me explain this from someone who has been here for a couple years and bought...

This is a very good point, and I can see the value in the business model, but like I said, I can’t see how it benefits longevity. Your point about a “loyal player base” is also very good, but how many loyal players are unable to enjoy the game because they are unwilling to pay? Unless you’d like to argue that if they’re loyal they’d enjoy the game regardless. But even then I think that’s just not fair. I’m sure there are countless F2P players who wish to be long-term, but are driven away by the predatory p2w gameplay. My suggestion doesn’t even get rid of the p2w advantage. It just gives F2P more options and more varied gameplay, while still being at a disadvantage compared to p2w. That’s why I think it’s an okay addition. It doesn’t remove the value of gamepasses, only balances things in a way that keeps the gamepasses as a paid privilege. Instead of paying in money, a loyal F2P player could pay in time and skill, to an extent, while still being disadvantaged. Do you see flaws in my proposed system? I personally think it’s fair but I can’t speak for gamepass users. Most arguments have just been about profit.

severe ibex
# timid drum This is a very good point, and I can see the value in the business model, but li...

I do not in any way want to imply that loyal F2P would enjoy the game regardless, more like suffer in silence. As much as it's sad for new players to be driven away by P2W, in the end it's all about profits (sadly but it's true).

Allowing F2P access to the DEW-1S specifically is a bad idea, as even a user who spent as much as me would get downed with a single hit. I am completely for the rest though, allowing purchases of a greater variety of weapons using more premium-like but still obtainable through gameplay currencies might make the game more enjoyable for players who for whatever reason cannot afford the gamepasses. I think that if for example these weapons were one-life (sort of like titanium and NVG in robotics) it might make the game much more enjoyable and keep us gamepass users at advantage

P.S. This civil discussion made me switch from deny to approve, congratulations on convincing me

timid drum
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I can completely understand the 1s issue for sure. I myself am on the fence about it, but the amount of one shots already in the game makes me think it wouldn’t be too crazy, especially since an f2p would be forced to use a mediocre main gun like a g36 or m249 if he chose a 1s. However, with your point about a FREE gun being able to knock a p2w in one hit, it does seem like a bad idea. Maybe the issue is with one shots in general? What solutions do you think could be made? I think having it be like 3-5 lives for the 1s instead of just 1 would be fair, since dying is very easy. Maybe a NERFED F2P 1s? Also, I too am thankful for the civil discussion. Full respect to you, you make good points.

cedar marten
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remember guys when in doubt downvote