proper cure guns

[wicked kraken]

cure "gun" + p226 = cure gun.

basically, a cure gun that actually shoots instead of injecting people
something that would be used against ff during infection

can only be opened 1 hour after infection is called with the authorisation of the highest ranking ARD, with a limit of 1 per ARD member, closing after a minute and only being accessible by ARD. it would be locked for 30 mins once more

L-1s to L-3s would get a cure pistol which has a range of centre of border gate to fence, small and weak, with L-1s getting only tier 1 injections loaded in the gun to tier 3 with L-3s
L-4+ would get a cure rifle which has a range of centre of border gate to TLS, larger and more powerful, loaded with tier 3 all the time.

the rifle version can only be held by one person as a method of making it not overpower raiders.
the rifle will also be on the ARD's back as a inventory weapon.
it would be destroyed on ARD's death.

things to note:

damage for both guns would be lower that cure gun to ff
cure effects remain the same for the rest
pistol would fire with same stats as p226 but with 130 dmg to body and 220 headshot to FF dogs only
rifle would fire with same stats as g14-b, same damage as cure pistol
rifle has scope for whatever reason

@hot warren reactions plz

thx

what do u think of it

[hot warren]

i feel the l4 one would be too op

[wicked kraken]

yeah but they can also be obliterated by a 1s shot immediately

then they'd have to wait another hour

oh wait i never stated that

30 mins

cooldown time

[hot warren]

hm idk

[wicked kraken]

ff can spread faster than the rifle would be worth

[plain citrus]

I’d say ok but

[wicked kraken]

this is just something to help aegis clear 3 hour infections

[plain citrus]

They need less damage then the current cure gun

[wicked kraken]

mmmmmmmm

i could go for that

[plain citrus]

Like 40 ish a hit if it’s automatic

Not including headshots

[wicked kraken]

40

no i dont want it to do damage

[plain citrus]

40 body is 120 head

[wicked kraken]

unless u mean damage to ff

[plain citrus]

Damage to ff

[wicked kraken]

oh

eh

never really specified it's stats

hm

[plain citrus]

120 headshot from an automatic is very good

[hot warren]

i'd prefer ard get given a flamethrower to use against ff tbh, its cooler

[plain citrus]

Considering they have 2k hp

[wicked kraken]

DMG:
FIRERATE:
FIRE MODE:
ACCURACY:
SCOPE: Y/N

[plain citrus]

Scope useless

[wicked kraken]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

actually rifles normally dont have scopes in dod, unless its a sniper rifle

[plain citrus]

3c:

[wicked kraken]

or a 3c for whatever reason

its not even good for midrange

[plain citrus]

3c is dumb

[hot warren]

just give it a scope

[plain citrus]

The scope on 3c is so dumb

[wicked kraken]

sniping with a cure gun

[hot warren]

you described it as a long range rifle tbh

[plain citrus]

It just goes straight up

[wicked kraken]

DMG: 120HEADSHOT | 40BODY
FIRERATE: G14-B FIRERATE
FIRE MODE: AUTO
ACCURACY: idk why i put it here, all guns have precise accuracy
SCOPE: yeah ig
RANGE: however long gate to tls is

there

[hot warren]

give ard an artillery cannon far outside the map and let them fire a mini nuke out of it into the wastelander which just obliterates any and all people including ff 🗣️

[wicked kraken]

i dunno bro

[hot warren]

i was joking

hence the 🗣️ emoji

[wicked kraken]

just make aegis launch the chairman tower with a nuke on top of it 🗣️

[hot warren]

let MDF carry tactical handheld nukes because its funny

if they die everything gets killed immediately

[plain citrus]

Give raiders free +30 hp and 40 armour for no reason at all

[wicked kraken]

give anti-matter bombs to initiates

[plain citrus]

Based

[wicked kraken]

no

give them 200 hp and 80 armour 🗣️

[plain citrus]

I agree actually

Hate these firework and eggatron

Musket shots

Wasting my turkey leg

[hot warren]

add the dev gujn from the gun testing game

make it available for free at the ufo ez

[plain citrus]

Remove 1s pksf shield and the game is fixed

[wicked kraken]

this is just now becoming a meme thread

[plain citrus]

I agree with it

Ff is a bit

[wicked kraken]

op

[plain citrus]

“Unfair”

[wicked kraken]

u can easily run from ard

[hot warren]

ok no more memes

[plain citrus]

Tbh

I don’t have an issue killing ff without a cure gun though

[hallow ocean]

1000 damage

[wicked kraken]

given we're in a future where guns exist, and infections run rampant, we still dont have a long range injection

despite tf2, which is probably set sometime near 2010s, has a guy who spawns with it

1968

[hot warren]

tf2 and dod are in different universes

[wicked kraken]

true but still, time is what i mean

its 2150 something

[hot warren]

so cant compare them from a lore perspective because they just had different advancements

[wicked kraken]

we have guns

[hot warren]

2175

[wicked kraken]

close enough

[hot warren]

besides there was a nuclear war so that tends to stifle innovation a bit..

[wicked kraken]

tbh sometimes wars make innovations

[hot warren]

remember that dod is a post apocalyptic game so thats why we dont really have much futuristic stuff

[hot warren]

nuclear wars dont

[wicked kraken]

yea shit just goes boom

[hot warren]

they only last for hours

[wicked kraken]

pondering i did not about nuclear wars

nor did i about the tf2 part

why are we thinking about lore anyway

some shit doesn't even make sense

[hot warren]

true

there should be no towers in the wasteland after 100+ years

no lamp posts

they would've had to be built after the war

otherwise even if they survived the bombs they would've degraded

[crisp osprey]

@wicked kraken I love this

I approve

but maybe like a few second cooldown

[hollow fossil]

Yes, however it shouldnt deal as much damage to ff as normal cure gun

[crisp osprey]

sure

and it should be easier to cure ff dogs

cuz rn its so hard

u gotta jump and do goofy shit

[hollow fossil]

rn its a skill issue on ur part

u get to force meltdown

[gilded locust]

My inner innovation inc calls

[crisp osprey]

only thing yall do is AFK cuff and go to tower to open a panel and click a button

then

:notify %aegis attention everyone reactor boutta go boom! Go to lanes rn

[valid linden]

so they do their job?

and help while you do / fail to do yours?

[sturdy lynx]

It's ez

Ard just have no skill and do meltdown

And when it's bugged they server restart

But when a raider does meltdown and it's bugged they do not restart the server

[swift thistle]

in all fairness

subdivs, vtols, force melt, cure gun (if used properly, idk why some ard still attempt to cure from like a mile away js shoot them atp)

[wicked kraken]

updated

[tame leaf]

@wicked kraken tdlr

tdlr pls

[nocturne root]

@wicked kraken hey nerd if it’s not level 3 cure gun then it wont kill FF

So yk

Completely useless against FF outbreaks for L1-L3

[crisp osprey]

what type cure guns do u get if u buy

[nocturne root]

tier 3

chairman made it that way in an update a little bit ago

So its the same cure gun ARD gets

[nocturne root]

tldr: actual cure gun that shoots cure projectiles and damages dogs so we can all stop wanting to put in one week notices

[crisp osprey]

wha

[nocturne root]

dogs can outrun us so it makes it difficult for ARD to cure them if they just run away

[crisp osprey]

even if they right below ard

[nocturne root]

mhm.

[hallow ocean]

1s

[nocturne root]

ahh yes while you run away and regen all the damage

genius

you can SURVIVE a 1s headshot, flame

[hallow ocean]

I’m sorry I forgot u don’t have the full auto 1s cheat

[sturdy lynx]

Ard just meltdown anyway

[crisp osprey]

FF dogs have how much health

plus armour doesn’t count

[hot warren]

ard shouldnt really have to meltdown to deal with it tbh

[sturdy lynx]

its a skill issue on ards part

doesnt change the fact u have vtols

[hot warren]

its very easy to hide from a VTOL

although they do give us an advantage yeah it is still very easy to hide from them

the VTOLs are loud enough to where to makes it difficult to hear other stuff and if you're in a building then we can't see you

[wicked kraken]

vtols are also difficult to fly with efficiency for smaller movements

dogs run away anyway

[tired panther]

yes, pew pew

[slender rain]

yes

[nocturne root]

meltdown isnt supposed to be the method of dealing with an outbreak

infections can be cured for a reason

not just blow up the fuckin facility because its been going on for four hours and they literally cant handle it otherwise

[plain citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[swift thistle]

they melt within 2 hours actually

[swift thistle]

that’s true but if they have audio then it’ll be easy to locate then

[nocturne root]

"melt within 2 hours" is that supposed to be a rationale?

to have anyone who isn't a divisional stand there and hug a wall for TWO HOURS?

[valid linden]

thinking it on the aegis side makes so much more sense

[swift thistle]

no one is forcing aegis to stay in game 🗣️

[nocturne root]

of course thats your response when YOURE the one causing them to do it 🗣️

god forbid we want to have a halfway decent counter to dogs!!

[shell arch]

Eh, not the best. ARD just needs to try harder

[sturdy lynx]

u already have vtols

and subdivs

[shell arch]

Fr

Ard just needs to work harder

And more ard need to join too

[nocturne root]

Subdivs literally do nothing special

[nocturne root]

on that we agree

[gilded grove]

They sont use em

I am yet to see ard use anything besides pksf

Tho thats not ards fault

Its mainly subdiv leadership

[fickle ice]

Nuh uh

[crystal vapor]

ill be somewhat blunt here, if it has to be an hour+ of an infection to authorize it, reactor is going boom, we're already sick enough of ff, raiders threw the idea of balancing out the window after they made an ff infection 30 minutes after the last one ended

honestly would recommend 15 minutes for ff outbreaks and 30 for others, and that it remains open for the duration of the infection

rifle rule of 1 rifle total seems fair, probably would go to the lead ard

[valid linden]

30 for all atleast. 15 minutes is far too small after it takes 10 minutes for raiders to make ff without ARD or other divisionals interference ( attempted or failure to secure their assigned area in which they have 2 points of access to )

If this was to be changed to 15 minutes i would completely expect ard or other divisionals to just wait in reactor to blow it up

[crystal vapor]

sure but at the same time yall spam the shit out of ff lately

like, cz exists, give us something new ffs

[plain citrus]

new aegis gameplay idea:

buff aegis nerf raiders

ff wouldnt be an issue if ard had the activity to deal with it

and the part where p2w raiders make it really hard to stop is stupid when there are more p2w ppl in aegis then raiders

[crystal vapor]

a lot of that is also like, its a circular cycle

ard gets burnt the hell out because of ff outbreaks lasting multiple hours

less ard equals outbreaks lasting longer equals more ard getting burnt

(also some of it is the animation bugs with the cure injector still arent fixed so our cure guns dont actually work like theyre supposed to, meaning its really hard to cure ff dogs lately)

[plain citrus]

its not just an ard issue

divs could help alot more by targetting the raiders with keycards or guns so the ard can survive and kill the ff dogs

[crystal vapor]

true, throw enough guns at a problem and it eventually does die

[plain citrus]

and ive not seen it happen but its very easy to trap an ff dog by closing a door

just trap them and wait for an ard

[crystal vapor]

it happens but theres been a strange spike in ff dog glitch abusing

[plain citrus]

get sc then

[crystal vapor]

ye

[crystal vapor]

also in the wasteland there arent any doors to trap them with

and plenty of geographical inclines that they can take advantage of

[plain citrus]

well thats where you use your gun

they arent that bad

[crystal vapor]

theyre bad when raiders are already manufacturing more ff

we're stretched thin enough just dealing with the ff dogs themselves meanwhile ff synth and regular raiding activities are added onto the mix

its not as though my point is much different from: "its hard and we dont like it" but fundamentally that is the point im making

[plain citrus]

its the issue of the ard inga,e

[crystal vapor]

no one, except apparently raiders, enjoys an hour long outbreak

[plain citrus]

this genuienlly sounds partly skill issue g

[crystal vapor]

sure, its a skill issue

is that what you wanted to hear?

[plain citrus]

no

[crystal vapor]

we're scientists, not martial artists

and not cowboy gunslingers either

[plain citrus]

i just said its every div in aegis fault

for not being able to handle it

im sure it would be very easy if everyone actually cordinated better

[crystal vapor]

if im a bit on edge about this my apologies

ive responded to quite a few now over the past...week?

[crystal vapor]

it is, when we have sufficient numbers

the problem is almost no one actually has immunity, and not everyone is a subdiv

[plain citrus]

im sure there would be a way to balance it

only real reason i dont want it though is bc the constant buffs given to aegis but raiders havent recieved any new content

(aed is mixed opinion)

[crystal vapor]

i swear i remember raiders getting some content didnt they

[plain citrus]

it was just aed

and its not really anything unique

just another way at entering the facility

meltdown was just changed to be a dif way on doing it

and that was found out in like an hour of release

[crystal vapor]

i correct myself actually

most recent update with significant raid content was march

[plain citrus]

if u say rifts

[crystal vapor]

no thats uh

jokelheimer

was in march

[plain citrus]

what released march again

[crystal vapor]

the reactor, aed, all that

major overhauls for stuff

[plain citrus]

by raider content i mean

new stuff

the reactor is just like a rework version

nothing really new about it just modernized

aed is like i said another way to raid through cool and all but just like rdm and gc very easy to camp

[crystal vapor]

if u count tundra as new stuff, december 2023

[plain citrus]

tundra was cool for the day it released

ores there do nothing just new badges

[crystal vapor]

if not, latest raider content is arguably sthd tracking system that raiders can disrupt and be targeted by, in november 2023

[plain citrus]

its really jsut a map expansion to delay factions and city

[plain citrus]

sthd update

it was needed

[crystal vapor]

so ig october 2023 with rifts

[plain citrus]

i guess

if he added something to make rifts more useful wouldve been cool

rn raiders kinda only can do FF meltdown raid shadow realm

thats about everything u can do as a raider

[crystal vapor]

if not, march 2023 is definitely raider content

cause insurrectionist team

and cordio

[plain citrus]

eh

it was a raider punishment

id say actual raider content

[crystal vapor]

it is at least raider-specific content though

[plain citrus]

was shadow realm

shadow realm was mostly ard

[crystal vapor]

hm

[plain citrus]

but raiders had access to it alot

[crystal vapor]

some of it is that yall get a lot of content alongside ard

adding ard content is the easy way to give raiders content at the same time

[plain citrus]

lab2 broken rn

so it kinda cut most of it in half

[crystal vapor]

is it?

[plain citrus]

yes

[crystal vapor]

hm

[plain citrus]

im suprised u didnt know that

[crystal vapor]

i thought it was fixed

[valid linden]

isnt this hush hush

[plain citrus]

if it was id be banned a while ago

[crystal vapor]

the fact that a shadow realm exists is public per chairman's update log release in 2022

#📋public-update-log message

anything not released in public update log remains classified though

[valid linden]

👍

[swift thistle]

teach me how to make cz and i got you

[valid linden]

yes

[shell arch]

@crystal vapor u so smart smarty pants

[atomic imp]

no

there is no need for this

if you really struggle with ff just melt

also

"40 dmg to body and 120 headshot"

for a pistol that shoots like p226

is insane

[nocturne root]

i think he means for specifically FF dogs

[atomic imp]

regular guns can do the same amount of damage

if you cant deal with the ff just force melt

[nocturne root]

yeah no

the only guns that do that kind of damage that fast are one shots, which a ton of ARD do not have

theres like

Zen, super, and snakers

Those are the only people i know who have spent a good chunk of money

[tired panther]

🙂

[tired panther]

yet ff dogs have I believe around 3k hp

dealing with it via just guns, is generally a pretty bad idea unless you have a bunch of dews, or are outnumbering the dog by a ton

[atomic imp]

2 1s headshots

ezpz

[tired panther]

doesn't that only do like, 500 dmg

[atomic imp]

hs does 1500

[tired panther]

fr? I'm not quite sure on that since every juggernaut thing I've been in, where the juggernaut has 10k hp survived quite awhile barely taking dmg most of the time

[atomic imp]

yes cuz hitting hs consistently is hard

[plain citrus]

They have 2k hp

And jugs have like 3k hp max now after they gave them 10@

[atomic imp]

3k is still insane with the regen rates

[plain citrus]

its 2k

and it takes forever to heal from 0 to max now

[valid linden]

Its 3k till final stage

3k while you run, escape, hide and 2k when you can attack

[wicked kraken]

h e a d s h o t s d o 1 5 0 0 d m g

fixed

now it does better damage but only to ff

has no effect on non-ff dogs

besides curing tier 3

or 1

idk