#Rank additions for citizens (when city releases.)

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lime slate
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First of I'm writing this on mobile since im too bleh rn for pc.

So the idea is when the city comes out to utilise a group for spawning on citizen team. Below i have two methods that comes to mind.

  1. Day of dusk community group: this group could easily be setup that if you're apart of it or a rank in it that you will be automatically teamed citizen when the city is released and spawn in there (with no weapons as usual.)

  2. Aegis group: A sorta interesting thought i had for the last few days but the idea is to add a citizen rank in aegis international before the rank of initiate. This will be free for anyone to join and any citizen that wishes to become a initiate could go back to the border and request a BATs. Successful BATs will be rewarded by 1 point and any aegis academy host+ (afa+) can hand out this point. That way the academy will essentially go like.
    Citizen
    1 point from bat. To initiate
    1 point for lesson 1.
    1 point for lesson 2.
    1 point for lesson 3.
    Which feels like a bit better of a structure then needing to do a lesson 3 again.

This would essentially remove the risk of alts spawning and mass tking as they have to actively do a bat, it will bring back the purpose of a bat and it makes alts wide out in the open for funny aia men to remove them.

If any of you have ideas on how citizen team spawning could go please comment below.
Thanksssssss

lapis pilot
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This seems like a good idea.

lime slate
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It essentially helps get rid of the issues people have been having with initiates.

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Like it just makes them spawn in aias domain basically. Rather then behind you with a p226

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Thats one reasoning i had.

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Far easier for mods

lapis pilot
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Yeah, I can see that being a constant issue.

keen belfry
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rather then beign tked by a random alt named "53sdafas|

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ranked int

lapis pilot
keen belfry
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i ran into a alt imo

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they had their acc made LAST month

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and 3badges

lime slate
keen belfry
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which were only DodD

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badges

keen belfry
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BAT'S are rjust

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raided

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or they all die due to being stupid

mental wolf
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We could have civilian ranks for cooperation with AEGIS, or fighting against them

lime slate
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Like a rep system?

mental wolf
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They would be cosmetic

mental wolf
lapis pilot
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Isn't that AMCS is used for? To deal with raiders yet work with aegis

lime slate
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The citizen team is planned

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It spawns you in the city

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Theres also aegis offduty planned

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Which is the same sorta thing

keen belfry
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if they have a off duty team where we can chill

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and walk around with ur boyfriends or wt

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i respect

lime slate
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(when ive been talking with blout the thought was you pay tickets for a offduty leave

keen belfry
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i dont agree w/ paying to go off duty

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if i want to go off duty

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and walk around

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talk w/ other ageis on duty or off

lime slate
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The whole idea is to keep most people on duty

final oyster
keen belfry
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but still be on the phyiscal corp team,

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and also be able to switch

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if i need to

lime slate
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We don't want everyone in the city

keen belfry
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yes

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we want it split

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into atleast like

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35 percent in city

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then ie, 45 ish

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in border

final oyster
keen belfry
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to b e honest, no acad ranks

mental wolf
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Newcomer: New to the city
Loyalist: Cooperation with AEGIS
Worker: working in a job for the City
Uncooperative: previously has fought against AEGIS (non-violent)
Rebel: Actively fought against AEGIS
Arms-dealer: has dealt weapons before to civilians

keen belfry
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they can stick to border

lime slate
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I believe the tickets is the current method.

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You do your ds you get your offduty leave

keen belfry
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but atleast like

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+O

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operative plius

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plus

lime slate
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Well yea only o+ can talk to the shopkeeper

keen belfry
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or SO+

lime slate
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It would be O+

keen belfry
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me personally, operative and higher

final oyster
keen belfry
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since they have acad done and know most shit

lime slate
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Since the shopkeeper for tickets rn is O+

final oyster
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Because after SO the duty is same to VO

mental wolf
final oyster
lime slate
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It will add a item there for x time of offduty leave

keen belfry
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like

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50 mins

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then you get respawned on duty

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or are told to return within like 35 mins idk

mental wolf
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It was like 3-4 hours when I spoke 2 u about it

lime slate
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Idk the current alloted amounts

keen belfry
lime slate
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That was the current thought back then

keen belfry
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thats the thing

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theres no api tracking you ingame

lime slate
keen belfry
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yes

lime slate
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Tickets are earnt every 5 minutes rn

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You use those tickets to buy offduty time

keen belfry
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you can pay like,

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35 for this long

mental wolf
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The city overall would give divisionals more things to do

keen belfry
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100 for 2hours?

mental wolf
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I can think of a lot

lime slate
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Since aia can be alot more anti terrorist

keen belfry
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ard will probally

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like

mental wolf
keen belfry
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do sum random shit

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im getting tired might get off

lime slate
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But yea main focus is on the uh groups. I may make a suggestion later about a sorta crime watch

prisma kestrel
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bat is waste of time

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dont make it required

keen belfry
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crime watch would be nice

keen belfry
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ALOT

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of it

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thats my take

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instead of them getting no p226, they have to do their BAT

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at the least

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if they did it w a operative, then

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SO

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ok goodnight kids

mental wolf
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MDF: Patroling city, Apartment breaching, quelling anti-civil activities
STHD: surveillance, assassination, counterterrorism sniper
ARD: More infection area’s, treating civvies, keeping citizens safe from infection
SC: Overlooking city, advising divisionals, operation planning
PKSF: riot control, special forces of city operations
AIA: [REMOVED]

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AED I’m not sure

lapis pilot
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why remove AIA? They would still have a purpose

mental wolf
lapis pilot
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right

timber cradle
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yes this actually validates BAT

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s

lime slate
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thats another thought I had

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So when you're a citizen you can always come back to the front of the city and request another one. Perhaps citizens can be given citizen keycards which will allow them to leave into the wasteland or just go to the BAT waiting room

timber cradle
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Yes it makes a lot of sense

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and is easy to make

lime slate
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Only annoyance would be that ranks need rebinding m

mental wolf
glacial gorge
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let him cook though

lime slate
outer pumice
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i like this alot i'll bring it up to aa leadership once city is out

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more stuff for afas

lime slate
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👍

mental wolf
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Orgashi has never made a bad suggestion (in my eyes)

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This statement probably gonna come back to bite me later

dusk nymph
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i assume it means grading BATs, but presently thats not really possible unless we do an officer ping for every BAT we grade (which seems inefficient) since we dont have access to clan labs

lime slate
dusk nymph
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sounds good though this would actually be really nice to have some actually competent initiates

lime slate
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Any SO+ can still host and if they can get 3 to pass then good on them a point for the SO

dusk nymph
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it would also fix JOs needing to attend 2 stage 3's

lime slate
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But it also gives AFA abit more to do.

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And that

dusk nymph
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cause currently 0 points is initiate, 1 point is cadet, 2 points is JO, and 4 points is operative

lime slate
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Yea

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Thats the point

dusk nymph
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so this could actually be implemented now tbh

lime slate
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It very much could but the citizen rank doesn't exist

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I mean citizen could always be added and you spawn as a wastelander still

prisma kestrel
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bat shouldnt be required to get initiate

lime slate
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But eh

lime slate
prisma kestrel
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because its dumb

dusk nymph
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fair but chairman could change the rank structure so citizen rank spawns on wastelander team and the point system goes:

0 point - citizen
1 point - initiate, awarded by BAT
2 point - cadet, awarded by stage 1
3 point - JO, awarded by stage 2
4 point - O, awarded by stage 3

prisma kestrel
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bats dont teach u anything

lime slate
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Would you rather get tked in the back for the 7000th time

lime slate
prisma kestrel
dusk nymph
lime slate
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So yes it would

prisma kestrel
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chairman just

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hits accept all

lime slate
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Yes

prisma kestrel
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and alts can still do a bat?

lime slate
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Which is why

dusk nymph
lime slate
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Citizens ain't armed

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And will spawn in the city

dusk nymph
lime slate
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So to get your gun and become a initiate

dusk nymph
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they last what, like 30 minutes usually?

lime slate
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You need to do a bat

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Which most alts won't do.

dusk nymph
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so if you had 30 alts youd be spending 15 hours of dod time

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putting them all through BATs

lime slate
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I'm talking about the spam accounts

prisma kestrel
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still forcing them to do a bat is dumb

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it doesnt teach thema nything

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except how todo formations

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doesnt teach guidelines

dusk nymph
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formations isnt a bad thing to teach

prisma kestrel
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it is

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when r u ever gonna use formations outside of trainings

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wedge is only formation u need

dusk nymph
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teaching guidelines is more of an afa thing

dusk nymph
prisma kestrel
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they dont tho

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so like

dusk nymph
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a UC could theoretically put someone in front of a firing line

prisma kestrel
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why

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yeah but they dont

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also with how little processing happens and how short processing actually is

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bats would never be hosted enough

lime slate
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Its TLDR:
Would ensure BATs are actually utilised and a thing that is enforced "It was always supposed to be a thing that was enforced thats why they were made in the first place"
It will increase the aegis group because people would like to spawn as a citizen.
It will ensure spam tking alts don't spawn behind you with a gun.
It spawns the alts in the city so a easy af target for AIA to deal with.

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@rich quartz what is your thoughts on this. As one of the primary city developers.

prisma kestrel
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ur tryna make it all about alts

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cuz ur aia

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most intiiates arent alts

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most initiates that arent already banned*

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and the sterotype that intiaiets tk everyone is kinda wrong

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yeah they tk but its not nearly as often as people think

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they just wanna get promoted

dusk nymph
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33% more likely to tk

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than their more experienced peers in the academy

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its a statistic i dug out of my ass

prisma kestrel
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yeah they havent attended a single academy lesson if tehy r initiate

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they just dont know rules

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and a lot of them just want to get promoted

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they teamkill a lot less than people think

lime slate
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It isn't the only reason but it is a pretty big one

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and we all know how often a initiate tkers

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I can't go a single session without 40 rounds in my back.

prisma kestrel
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THEY DONT TK NEARLY AS MUCH AS PEOPLE THINK

lime slate
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This helps address the largest issue of the whole tking people.

prisma kestrel
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YES THEY TK MORE THAN ANY OTHER RANK BUT ITS A LOT LESS THAN WHAT U GUYS THINK

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LIKE A LOT LESS

lime slate
prisma kestrel
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there is a small percent that tk

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the rest just want to get promoted

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idgaf that u have been here for 4 years

lime slate
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There is about a 30-40% rate. This is mainly because 1. Either they're a new player in that case they won't remain as a initiate, They're are someone who trolls in border games or 3. a large majority of the time a good percent of initiates are alts of banned people.

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Now

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For returning members of AEGIS and people that has done the Academy

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there will be 0 change.

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They will just be promoted to operative like any other person.

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People may stay as a citizen because they want to experience the city

prisma kestrel
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not nearly 40%

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20% at the max

lime slate
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Other peoples can do a simple test.

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very simple indeed

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They can gather at the city entrance where there is already a designated spot built

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and a SO can post there during processing.

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Or which i'm current working on a citizenw ill gain a limited keycard

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Citizen-Card. Which will open the back door of the facility which leads them back into the processing room.

rich quartz
lime slate
# rich quartz i like it tbh

Tbh the AEGIS variant I think makes the most sense as alot of people might be force teamed citizen if its apart of the day of dusk communtiy group.

rich quartz
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true

lime slate
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I will be working on a citizen keycard clearance option.
@rich quartz I would like the idea that citizens can come and go from the border into the wasteland. Would you like it in your mind more as a "they can leave during processing only" so they only have access to the doors and side door for protocol processing. Or a "They can leave also in incursion" which in that case they would have to go to the 1st floor of the border and perhaps leave via towers.

rich quartz
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Likely only during processing, since it'd be problematic to bring them back in during incursion, especially if they have something valuable

lime slate
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It could be that if citizen remove everything but X items and keycard

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Similar to if aegis don't remove inventory

mystic raptor
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#🚶player-reports message

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I support this idea solely for things like this

lime slate
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Thats one of the reasons

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It means any of those trollers have to go through a bat to even get past aegis and if they spawn as a citizen they can't really cause halm since no weapons besides it would give returning aegis the option to be a citizen if they don't wish to fully become apart of the group again

mystic raptor
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quite tiresome dealing with stupid trolls like this

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wish we could instant eco them

lime slate
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It also makes sense AA wise

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since rn you have to do stage 3 twice to just make up for the 4 points

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no reason in that

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By adding a single point at the start for BATs

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makes more sense and adds a reason for them