#Hacker Reporting Thread
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inspect element but ok
everytime when i go on pretendo mk7 i gotta watch this chat to see if anybody makes another false report
Well i am going to reinstall it since i think it missed some files
BAHHA
send pic of where u put the files
I know how to install sdcafiine mods (I have done it before)
we’ll wait
eh, I ended up changing my mind, apologies for the wait.
You can start without me. Its probably going to take forever anyways
trop con vrm 💀
en voc ouais
Et psq g pas le tiempo
Ct bien
LMAO
🙏🏻
you have it downloaded u just need to put it at the right place
Ok its installed properly now
nice
gotta quickly dc
need the srl gear🙏
LMFAO
it does increase my skill
i go in water = respawn
@bright trench @jolly jetty
Yes
cuz now in the 3.0.6 the room key is hidden during races
ES
yeah totally
idk
I had to restart because friend list was acting up
oh
Troll them with hax
LOOOLTROLLLOLOL
its snowing 💀
Noo i crashed
oh Dcd
i freezed
me when spasm
No more cheating in public with this version?
i think anti cheat is still removed
nah sadly I didnt find a way
maybe one day :/
😔
ERM where IS audio?!!?!
try
connected and got this
yall is my splatoon basically bricked if im getting 104-1970
the first or second one I guess
doesnt work
xD
Game broke
hmm idk
wow
does the splatoon servers work for anyone rn
thx for the new gif
MORE
least hacked pretendo mk7 lobby (c. 2024)
BAHHAHHA
true!
you play MK7 ? @languid musk
I have the game but I never set up Pretendo on a 3DS.
Maybe someday.
Probably when Pokemon gets support.
pokemon rumble world has support btw
@potent vine I have 2-3 more GIFs lemme send the stuffff
Gens 5 and 6 were pretty good. Glad that gen 6 is in testing at least.
-# Gen 5 does also have support from other services.
Ah yeah
Now you can spam stuff @potent vine
best GIFs of the year @potent vine
lemme send them
👏
too fun BAHAHHAHA
pPlease DO!
goofy ahh battle
tom & jerry ahh battle
LMAOFOFOAFOAFO
just wait till i join
please do
we could stage some gifs
i crashed
player control
player control is very interesting
i made it do that
but... i will ALwaYS coEM bAEck!11
fuck you then
there are words more powerful than "interesting" tho BAHAHAHAHAH PLAYAH CTRL IS INSANE BRRRO
inB4 he also crashed your console
forgot if I sent all GIFs tho
send them NOW
♥️
idk which one of them I sent already
BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ah nah one is the video mb
GIF is the left one
hehehe
Which ONE is .gI3f?!
LeFT, OUR r1gH7!1
false
the fact I didn't know I could capture GIF with my tool
send those GIFs to [email protected] and see them regretting the NN shutdown
dw they gon restart the servers in a minute
jk
done
heheheh
@@@@@ @icloud.com
email grabber when
soon™️
heheh + credit card number guesser
with rce, ez
jk "guesser"
BAHAHHAH fr
blud could even proceed a payment without bank auth
BAHHAAHHAHAHA
imagine paying for Amazon product through a RCEd 3DS
Bootrom death
heheheh
with crasher, bricker and Give Player Error Code 002-0102
i set it as my desktop wallpaper
it was so bad
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me when i code
LMAO the fact you could do all those with RCE
wait also 002-0102?
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@potent vine are you enabling 69696969 more codes or????
Can we acknowledge the fact that it says his name is the glitchy character one
average newwfc lobby
Is @potent vine in the room with us ?
bahahah
yes, sorry, i'm trying to crash my three dee ees uwu
its a feature, not a bug
Congrats my guy
my plugin be like tho
ERM i got 002-0102 AND i DIDNT do ANYTHING! pleaSE UNban ME! please FORGIEV m3!
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successfully created ! ☺️
LMAO what ?
bypass this lmao
s
t
0
p
your crush is here, stay normal! my face:
Replace ban error with "Fuck you pretendo", so when a mod asks to send a pic, send that
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
how to get banned fron the pretendo discord server
bro bypass that error code and join the Room A @potent vine
Break rule 5 a ton I guess
i didnt get 002-0102 actually lmafo
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Step 1: Boot
Step 2: Bypass
Step 3: Hack!
For some reason I don’t believe that
Just a hunch though
yea, hes lying
omg my mii is in 4k
MK7 memory when it notices how good it feels when we modify stuff
Huh
me when ARM11
now im wondering why the fuck is everyone obsessed with my mii
ok then joinnn
time to GIF some partiess
Stop trying to be funny
looks like shitass with that huge ass smile
oh lemme change the thunder color
my crush when I make a joke
what happens if she rejects you
ar u joininfg or ?
YES LOOK IM STREAMING
I say "life is unfair" and keep hacking MK7
thanks github
me when i have no iinterenet
lessgo
lmao never seen someone that rude on Discord
you feel good ?
sorry
everything ok my kiddo ?
yeah so mean im crying right now 😔😭
fr lmao
shiver me timbers!
blud really thought I would let pass that
you know we have moderation online, right?
ban this mf rq I swear
fine
@wispy quartz @languid musk create more gifs
you should probably stop.
this mf really thought I'd say "ok mb my dear skiddo"
wrong ping
yepp we doing
if you keep annoying her on purpuse im gonna have to time you out.
at first i was confused when you said her
because heri has she/her pronouns?
that doesn't change my mind about this person whatever the pronouns are tho
idk why being rude like that is a thing
but okay
i mean fair. but you're the one who kept doing it regardless.
argh
I'm curious, if you get timed out while in a voice chat, do you also get kicked off the voice chat?
i made a dump for no reason but i can send it to you if you want to
yes
since you can't join voice chats anyway?
yes
that's what I thought.
iirc yes once I got kicked cuz I used the hashtag symbol
and it kicked me out of the VC and stopped the screenshare
one time discord glitched and i was timed out for 2hrs
nah not the # but the # with something written after so it makes big letters
don't test it for yourself
but like adding the hashtag symbol at first and adding a space and put a letter, for example ''a'' and it will time you out
but
# message goes here, if you want to get timed-out, even in #botspam
now i think i know why....
idk why they made such rules
For how long
30 seconds.
Lmao it worked
bhahha
I feel like this is the wrong place to send those GIFs tho
I can already see some "shut up" or some "rule number..."
#1300543055786541117 u guyses chats should happen here
yep but no file sendable in others channels
ask mods
maybe if you add back a few ppl to your server like Harrison
so we can send actual content there for everyone
for?
you banned all guys you didnt know personnally iirc
i only kicked
i didnt bother joining back if you didnt want me

in fact i forgot who else but some other told me they were kicked
he can come back if u can vouch for them to be trustworthy and not that impersonation kid lol
I feel like it might be incremental, so for this specific timeout the first offense is 30sec, then 1min, and so on
but ik some people here are under 18 or even like 15-16 so I can't say their behavior will be 100% perfect
okk
thats fine, better there than here
thankfully we don't have many who are under 13 (for hopefully obvious reasons)
nah its always 30 seconds
was a discord glitch
really? because one time I got timed out for 90 seconds for mentioning that
yeah, even without them Discord is a mess, specifically MK7 community
yeah idk though, it wont go as far as 1 min
okay, my 11 year old brother wants to try miiverse, can he or not
He cant
Wasn't one of those guys me? Can't remember
Actually everyone has that map since it's from story mode, story mode maps can be played online and everyone can see it. The other group is using the code octolings use on that map and that's why they fall on random points of the map
No, that's not the case
They simply don't have a spawn point defined.
the game defaults it to the world origin if there isn't one.
i've been told already
that it works in public due to the map being in game not a mod i misunderstood it for completely custom maps
probably
i dont remember the server having 20 users
you should ask if you can come back though, i think it's best to get his approval
protection
protection
protection
as a matter of fact, no one under 13 years may use any of Pretendo's services.
I'm sure that'll be mentioned once the Terms of Service are published
meaning @sand cedar can't use Pretendo or Discord.
banwidth
COPPA and/or other laws beyond the United States say no.
how so?
just checked, i have nat type b
that should be pinned on the forum ngl
Nice.
Pretendo created the bot 2 years ago, in fact its birthday is coming up
it's actually also a fork of the previous bot,
Yamamura.
for reference I joined this server a little over a month after Bandwidth replaced Yamamura.
that's just the account age tho, could've very well created it after 13 years of existing somewhere out there 🤓 ☝️
nice, didn't know they had a different one before
while yes that's technically possible the earliest issue I found on the old bot was from 2018.
which implies that Pretendo probably created that bot... around 2018.
I'll have to ask in #dev-supporters.
Finally 2nd place
Feb 1, 2018 - Pretendo Discord
Nice.
Development begun in late 2017
Last race for now
I have 1k because i am on a different console
I recently got 60CTVR from one race
that was because of an event going on though
ctvr? like ctgp 7 vr?
yep.
also does this sound about right:
#memes message
NO WAY SUPPORT THREADS GET LOCKED TOO?
what
you said protection
?
protection
Lmao!
i got 23917 on pretendo
or https://discord.com/channels/408718485913468928/1281770613467254784 if you also want a post that's closed
I meant
"Matchmaking thread closed
This matchmaking thread has been automatically closed due to inactivity.
If you want to play again, just create a new thread and ping the people you want to invite. Have fun!
Thank you for using Pretendo!"
that doesn't count.
What’s the exact date
that's not a #1067162922989662360 thread
#1231832741612621876 message
for Yamamura, that is
Not sure I’d say that’s “coming up” but ok
for Bandwidth it joined Discord on the 28th of October
my mistake was probably looking at a date on the Github for Bandwidth
or the fact that it joined this server on November 4
I didn’t know we were talking about the bot I was asking about pretendo as a whole tbh
I got 20102
serious?
oh.
No
when was pretendo started?
2017
protection
protection
glad they'll add ip protection soon
masked ips
relays
Relays are unironically such an amazing addition
-# When it gets added of course
I been testing the limits of the ip stuff with MK7 and seeing how far you can push it, I'm glad they do something abt it
Gonna come back to this until January and see if I got banned 
day 1 nintendo network lobby
just a heads up that I have managed to brick my Wii U. luckily I made backups so hopefully after my Raspberry Pi Pico arrives I'll be able to unbrick
this means that I will be unable to report any more hackers on the Wii U or use the console at all until I can repair my console.
how?
I was editing a file on the SLC and I guess one of my tools (likely MSBT Editor Reloaded, though Switch Toolbox could also be to blame) did something to the file that caused my console to no longer start up
if you did something that's not immediately bannable it takes 2-7 days for your switch to be banned. You're fine
ah rip
I joined the private tricolor on Wednesday so it’s been 3 days
:p
if you weren't the host you're fine
atleast from what imora said
I still play it
I’m level 231
I lost my cart
Dang
Why would you edit a file on the SLC
But anyways I’m fine I’m not gonna get banned for something that’s been in the game for a long time at least I didn’t play new maps earlier
cosmetics
I was trying to modify some messages but, you know.
At least you have a backup though
my MSBT editor sometimes causes glitches with the output MSBT file (hence the reason Splatoon's text is so broken, especially in private matchmaking), while Switch Toolbox has various other bugs (across multiple versions)
my guess is it was MSBT Editor Reloaded.
since it was technically designed for 3DS MSBTs
but there aren't any other MSBT editors that I know of that have flawless Wii U compatibility
but yeah, I'm going to see if I can replace the original file once I get my Pico
at least my New 3DS XL still works though!
I might just create more cheats for Mario Party: Star Rush
or download a bunch more characters for CTGP-7
-# which as of now I have 493, resulting in 2+ minute load times
Not new but what they did is new to them
I ran into them at 4 AM CDT
#1231832741612621876 message this is my report
Seems like they ignored mine and ExpertGem's friend request messages
This would be a great time for Pirlo to hop on
GGs @normal iron .
ggs
Ok wtf is going on. The timer is still going down even though there are 8 players
yet another CTK offender.
I think its just the same person
what is this, WiiUHackMajin Jr?
Except different hacks this time
at least DuckDuckGo has no clue what this is
Seems like it.
Can this CTK hacker stop trying to avoid me
They've already been reported anyway. If their goal is not to be recorded, they failed.
With CTK dodging bread. ^
Oh yeah i know lol. I caught them as well. #1231832741612621876 message
lmao
They're achieving absolutely nothing if they're dodging like you said
-# Or avoiding ig
This one could also be a different one though
Oh yeah, the name is slightly different and the PID is different.
Why I never go to the Badge Arcade community
I SWEAR that’s a different Joe 🙏
wuts ctk
bwah
A splatoon hacker(s)
Why I never go to juxtaposition
Why I only browse the Art Community
To the surprise of nobody, this account seems to be brand new.
Their nickname is also a Japanese politician.
Politics really does manage to find its way into everything, huh?
S+ lvl 50 too btw
This is the second CTK player in the past day or so?
Correction: the governor of Tokyo
P4 PID: 1342467419, Name: CTK☆小池百合子, Area: 16908288, Index: 4, Gender: 0, Skin Tone: 0, Eye Color: 1, Weapon Set ID: 4030, Main Weapon ID: 307, Sub Weapon ID: 2, Special Weapon ID: 6
Ban🙇♀️
This device's access to online services
has been restricted by Nintendo.
For help, please visit
support.nintendo.com.
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LOL
@potent vine imagine the Room A with 8 cheaters
even better
more 002-0102!
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the fact I often get a similar error code
the 116 one or something like that
probably an issue with the console and the server not doing the auth stuff
@potent vine
heheh
hihihi
most normal MK7 race
yes
P6 PID: 1020211391, Name: GO is GOD, Area: 822083584, Index: 6, Gender: 1, Skin Tone: 4, Eye Color: 0, Weapon Set ID: 1131, Main Weapon ID: 129, Sub Weapon ID: 0, Special Weapon ID: 5
he uses rapid fire cheats
can't even use them properly... what a noob.
found their Mii; this will likely be their expression when they learn that their console is 2814'd
or 2812'd
I wasnt sure if it was Nintendo or Pretendo Network
read the description, I'm sure it's on pretendo to "avoid getting banned" but it's not an excuse, it's in public
ok nvm he just changed the description
I couldnt find his nickname the name was changed
^
Yeah
WTF my fc is now 20102-20102-20102
add meeeeeeee :O
Me 14 years ago
Someone told me matt is getting cooked rn
Stop putting it on the wrong channel 😭
I don't have proof neither PIDs, but just in case someone meets them again, now you know
yes and IM stuck in finding players
ok i got comm error yay
anyways im hacking in private room
niceee
room 🇦
can't record this time I use another computer
oki
bro's hacking in the #1231832741612621876
who ?
its a prIvaet lobi!!!1 no 0nl1n3 😠
LMFAOOOOOOO
I wonder who those cheaters are
yeah im wondering... too.
same
wait you're the real protection this whole time?😱
Yes 🗣️
OMG IM A HUUUUUUUUUGE FAEN CAN I TAKE SCREENSHOUT PLZ
🗣️ yes 🔥
omaga hacker
BAN NOW!!1!!"12·!"·!23
People forget to keep things offtopic it seems.
cool
btw i think it's time to enforce it
i still have to relay some reports so.... let's keep this channel just for reporting
if you want to talk about mk7 use the matchmaking thread or other appropriate channels
NOOOOOOO☹️
#1300543055786541117 theres literally this, so yeah.
only needs image perms
@misty sandal
i told u to ask mods, apparently u didnt
I forgot, and not sure if Piplup is in charge of perms stuff
ah ofc
#1302184136747913257 message 🤷 i don't piplup can change this
really though, matchmaking threads need image permissions ^^
Fr
or you can just be a Nitro Booster or Supporter...
I might try and catch MK7 hackers later, we'll see.
money for both 🤑
the PID is the same as the other reports before yours. seems like they aren't spoofing.
this ususally means they deleted their accounts
#unbanspletz
nah I know them they are just good... even tho they have hacks ... but they always say u shouldnt use them online
omg there is a ftw on mk7
ew
let me mute my video bc my god too much noise
you better shut up before yall start a protest 💀
im not gonna deal with that again
has there been a protest💀
hell nah😭
the star lasted throughout the race, but since my phone wasn't charged, I only got the end LMAO anyways you can tell there's a problem
1428-4659-6580
Yeah and it got out of hand when the moderators did practically the best thing you could do in that scenario.
At the end of the day, they can still access other network services and they understand that they've been banned for a reason.
Lmfao
Like I've seen Spletz on Juxt and he's still contributing to stuff. Just don't get involved.
Wait what?
i would give permban left and right ezez
maybe ask spletz for 1v1 on splatoon while im at it
You're going to have a lot of people complaining that way. Bans are designed to be separate across the forum, Juxt, Discord and network.
More proof bc he's gay
Lmao he can't drive
gay road
then i would let it go #unbanspletz
Hackers worst nightmare
Bahahah 😭
it's in discussion

makes sense.
still too late though
this offender is soooo getting 102-2812...
which might honestly be worse than the situation I'm in (I don't get 160-0103 though). I could fix the brick; the cheat offender can't do anything to bypass this ban
thanks! it'll hopefully mean they get more use
Like, i would kindly do it
But again, perms and.... other stuff matters
man i get it
hope you understand
Also it's almost 7 months now
so they dont really know whats best for the server ngl
The shutdown is long gone
why do we even need to beg for image perms in matchmaking channels why dont they just give it to us
i really think that the majority of the mods is for it
It's just a side effect, I think no one thought image perms were disabled there but we will see
im very aware that jon reads these messages so he can simply give us the permissions
but yk perms like piplup said
We have image perms in support
the thing is we have been saying this for several months soooo
the permissions can be fixed in 2 nanoseconds if u have perms to do so
this reminds me when it took like 6 months to rename general to pretendo
does anyone remember that 💀
I don't know how the hell he actually manages to do so much, I have a lot of respect for him with doing so much
doesnt surprise me at all
and its not even a pretendo channel
its general basically
😭
To be fair, I am a bit confused about the Community Manager role (I have had conversations with the person who has it) but I've never seen them really chat publicly
we had to fight to get it renamed to pretendo cuz some strict mod kept telling people to go to off topic for non pretendo discussions
aint no one discussing pretendo related things there
i vote imora for community manager my man is actually interacting with the server
whoever gives us image perms gets promoted to community manager!!
and whoever removes the slow mode on matchmaking channels gets admin
maybe there should be a "member" role of sorts given to people active enough
would stop new accounts from being able to join and spam images.
just give image perms
me with 30k messages:
no need to complicate things
There's the trusted role coming in 2038 (probably)
im SO hyped to get member role before the heat death of the universe
2038 is too early, 4/20/69 is earliest at best
4/20 is the only good thing about mm-dd-yyyy
so much off topic again
Why?
why would you hack
the only time i see this being nice is in games like tkcd or tfh where its helpful
@stuck marsh omg where you from, wtf is this flag
show
me when the game counts down and sends me to no lobby
just happened to me
#pretendo message
okay
we have enabled images and no slowmode in matchmaking
let's keep this for reports
let's hope it can stay this way!
🙏
side note all new posts will have no slowmode. existing ones do.
existing ones have to be changed individually
hmm ok
i did a few but. well its really annoying. if there is one that you need to be changed just ping me in it
mk7 vc when
I'm streaming
you can make a suggestion in #1083040046539624448?
ah yes, #No Access
tester channel
is tester and supporter ( mario and higher) the same? Yes ig
almost
i am a tester for example
but i am not a supporter
just small exceptions
Because you are mod
staff has tester
yes
there was a tournament in the past too
and someone won tester
excluding that, they are the same thing
ok
Pretendo role lore
now I have another reason why I want to become a mod
I can in 3 years
are you like 17?
2 and a half remaining
16
yep
I will turn 23 in less than 3 months
Old
So old LMAO
heyyy 23 isnt 50
senior*
true
But am younger so 🤧
The Nintendo DS is turning 20 this month btw, but we are off topic now
In my mind it is
let's leave this channel for the reports
ah yes 17 + 3 = 18
It wasnt about Splahoon1.0
this thread is gonna go crazy on november 5th
I still never got a response back lol.
Yep, we will timeout and ban a lot of people
what's on nov 5
^ same question
election day
OOP-
oh, i feel sorry for the mods
💔
Yeah, this place will be a hellscape.
100
be ready to report ppl in mk7 too, lol..i bet some idiots will think it's fun to bring politics to mk7
Imagine A guy named Trump getting reported for hacking
I remember doing that as Obama back during nn days
I wouldn't be surprised.
I am off school just because of that
hacking as obama on NN was fun lol, i just used luigi
November 5th 2024 the heat death of Pretendo moderation
I’ll try to prove it but someone named joris was running at super human speed and then normally, slipping like they were on ice in splat 1
I couldnt for this game but im playing my next match with them
It looks like they decided to stop lmao
yeah, that's what I've been fearing for a while now
but staff will handle everything, I'm sure
I will just keep juxt open and report any political posts (i dont have school that day)
Oh no, fuck fuck
I am not going to be on discord for a few days then
I am not gonna deal with barbaric americans
Thats understandable. Unfortunately for me, i live in the US so i have do deal with them no matter what.
I already deleted Twitter of my phone again, don't need radiation poisoning
Am not I want to see the chaos
All out civil war like 1861 ain't happening lol
i wonder how much those reply bots actually make with twitter blue
or whatever its called now
"x premium" 🤓
Nobody calls it X
The name change is the worst in history
Imagine changing a trusted brand name to something very specific content sites use
We might be getting too off topic again
75% of this channel is off-topic tbh
well that's why we adjusted #1300543055786541117 for example. they're trying to lessen it since today, if you would pay attention to the conversations above.
oh yeah, I know that custom screenshots are not (currently) allowed, but what about screenshots from 3DS titles that aren't officially supported?
i.e. Minecraft New Nintendo 3DS Edition
or should I ask in #pretendo?
theyre allowed
as theyre not custom
ooh. good to know!
record the match and send the PID of the person you believe is using cheats.
if you don't have the PID Grabber tool, https://github.com/H4x0rSpooky/mk7-pid-grabber/releases/tag/1.0.0
make sure it's on the latest version too, currently 11/02/2024
Well I suppose I'll update before going on aswell
you can also get it from the universal updater
dw. im sure they'll be back
Damn it the uni updater version is only on 10-29
https://x.com/ta3noysfbeaehco/status/1853262432766148996?s=46
PNID is not yet known.
Death ray
cheater
you need their pnid and video footage
Turf or ranked?
Who were they playing as?
ctk at it again?
Going by the name they've probably already been reported lol
more reports are always better
According to our informant, there is another hacker out there.
it still downloads the latest.
Oh
turf
they're not that fast with updating the timestamp
He was in that room?
i forgot to record mb
I can handle catching the splatoon hackers
The video I provided shows a hacker encounter in the ranks.
don't forget typing the fcs out in chat so ppl can find them quicker
3752-4869-4217
2763-2621-9940
video: #1231832741612621876 message
I gotta wonder if this is all coming from one console.
-# They're doing nothing for themselves by making new accounts.
idk
Also that first name currently on their player list nah 💀
lmfao
The only thing the hackers have in common is the use of Japanese celebrity names and mii.
is ctk some cringe splatoon hacking clan
EC2
Idk
zangetsu
Japanese Politicians
Ohh..
send their pnids please
Yet another Japanese politician as display name.
-# Same person who used 小池 百合子 as their name, I'd bet.
PNID
-# I say that as if it's a difficult observation (it's not)
wait how do you guys do the text under the initial message
zangetsu PNID unknown
is that a new feature
Replies or the tiny text?
idk
-# idk
You put -# at the start of the line you want small
-# Like this.
-# Like this.
testing
-# swaggin
-# It doesn't have to be the last line, either.
It can be any line, like the first line shown here.
oh thats dope
I think the bowser player is hacking
Speed hacks in specific
Anyone else see how fast he went in that koopa cape race?
imanomamadewa
gcn rainbow road 🔥
Damn it was he player slot 1 or 4
run linux on the switch instead
Anyway I'm gonna have to take a guess on which player it is
juan was probably the player in the video and was proving he wasnt using any cheats
Ohhh
@pliant coral look a false report
Alright, mb
sending my perspective if you're interested, hold on
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Ban hurry up!
just learned a new word today
wait isnt the character limit for the names like
aint no party like a-
depends on language if i recall
but either way yeah it has the same limit on all languages
か=ka, if you count romanisation, that is. this could be an example
zengatsu changed its name?
like theoratically you could fit a whole japanese sentence in your username in splat
well i know that
but you can only put 10 letters in normally
obv jp characters count for more but the hard limit is 10
yeah
but i renember my name limit on the mii be above 10
now..
since japanese console
fair enough
