MK8

[bold delta]

i got dced

[unreal trench]

and im having that glitch

[limber rose]

and I think this anthony guy is the same guy from earlier that I accused of modding

I DC'd too

[thin echo]

guys pls if youre using cemu please make sure youre using vulkan and async. its affecting the gameplay for others and it sucks. (assuming your pc is capable enough to begin with)

[bold delta]

oh im on another lobby?

im spectating?

[thin echo]

im still in lobby

[unreal trench]

yeah ur spectating us

[thin echo]

would be bizzare if there was another

[unreal trench]

i lost 37 points

nice

[thin echo]

oof

[bold delta]

ah rip

then i guess im the only one that got dced

[limber rose]

I DC'd too

I'm spectating

At least I avoided baby park

[thin echo]

Anthony

[unreal trench]

lucky lmao

[limber rose]

Are they sus?

[bold delta]

same

[unreal trench]

11 player lobby

[thin echo]

i think hes the guy with the bad pc

or settings

[limber rose]

Anothony is the guy I accused of modding

cheating the item sets

[thin echo]

hm

[unreal trench]

speedhacks

anthony]

100%

[bold delta]

how did i get a bullet in 5th?

[thin echo]

ok this is so bad

[unreal trench]

speedhacks

[thin echo]

slow mo plus item roulette lag

[limber rose]

That is possible

Who do we contact for reporting someone lol

[thin echo]

yeah if the gap between the players ahead is wide enough

[limber rose]

Anthony was hacking before an hour ago

[unreal trench]

bro

[bold delta]

you could ping jon and send them the proof/nnid or mii name

[unreal trench]

he was literally doing 200cc

and im doing 150cc

[thin echo]

LOL

[unreal trench]

hold up

ima obs

[limber rose]

I'm still recording too

[thin echo]

desync could also be a factor. could be missing with the game timing

[bold delta]

OKAY

YEP

I DEF SAW HIM SPEEDING UP

[unreal trench]

LMAO

[bold delta]

[thin echo]

thats how he passed me right at the line

lololol

[limber rose]

I couldn't get close to them that race I was getting hit by you guys

[bold delta]

IKR

[thin echo]

d/c

[bold delta]

F

[unreal trench]

i mean he knows NISC

so it might just be skill

but speeding up like that

is not normal

[thin echo]

my ai came 8th

seems correct

[limber rose]

I'm still suspicious of them from earlier though

[thin echo]

again??

[limber rose]

@unreal trench They were pulling triple shrooms in first consistently

[thin echo]

why cant i connect to this room now

[limber rose]

not right now, but last time they were on 1 hour ago

[unreal trench]

you cant triple shrooms in1

[bold delta]

FULL LOBBY

[limber rose]

dc

lol

I mean hey I might be able to spectate them

[thin echo]

oh rip and im not even in

nvm

seems a lot of us d/c'd

see a lot of Player ai

[unreal trench]

nah i got him on recording

def speed

[limber rose]

It's a bit hard to tell that time through spectator, Anthony is lagging quite a bit

[unreal trench]

bro is taking corners way faster than me with a combo less eff than me

[cinder junco]

Hello

[bold delta]

its probably him causing the item roulette lag

[thin echo]

ah im still spectating lol

[bold delta]

[limber rose]

He was definitely causing roulette glitch for me last time he was here too

so like

yeah probably

[unreal trench]

he cant win

[cinder junco]

i hate item lag

[unreal trench]

hes getting hit a lot

[bold delta]

same

[thin echo]

hoorayyy

im back in

[bold delta]

sorry i had to spam it to him

XD

[thin echo]

hahaha

[cinder junco]

Error :(

[bold delta]

this lobby is starting to lag pretty hard..

[limber rose]

Beat the cheater that time

[thin echo]

yeah

[bold delta]

i saw several people just lagging a lot

[limber rose]

Lag isn't too bad other than item roulette being bad

[thin echo]

the item roulette lag is just throwing me off

[bold delta]

even stars/bullets were lagging

[thin echo]

cant even defend myself

[cinder junco]

more than 10 seconds for a fucking coin

[limber rose]

DC mid race

[thin echo]

damn

no wonder I won

[unreal trench]

he finally left

good

we can have good racing

[limber rose]

I'm still spectating because the lobby is fuuuuull

It's cool to have a full lobby

but like

damn

[thin echo]

problems aside, im loving the fact we have a full lobby atm

[bold delta]

finally

[thin echo]

[limber rose]

And I DC'd when loading as a spectator

nice

[thin echo]

I saw that

[bold delta]

thank god

[unreal trench]

monar cant hit

[bold delta]

this is a lot more stable now

[thin echo]

fr

[limber rose]

Its time

[cinder junco]

Oh no is vuser

[thin echo]

OH NO

ok dcd after I finished

[cinder junco]

Same

[limber rose]

Lol yeah a good chunk of the lobby left at the same time

[bold delta]

sorry but i have to leave the lobby

[limber rose]

so they probably DC'd too lol

[bold delta]

i have to manage some dumb stuff in #pretendo

[thin echo]

no prob, good games

[cinder junco]

good luck friend

[limber rose]

Oh man

[unreal trench]

ggs

[limber rose]

I feel like this is the only sane text channel on this server

[unreal trench]

im offf

[limber rose]

GGs

[unreal trench]

have a good one

[thin echo]

ggs

[bold delta]

gg

[fading orchid]

103-9999

[ebon yarrow]

103-9999 (Wii U)

Support code detected, press to expand information

[unreal trench]

there

[thin echo]

what a gamer

[limber rose]

gaming gamer

[cinder junco]

Pro gaming gamer

[thin echo]

now theyre all departing

and dc

[bold delta]

surprisingly i did play very well despite all of that happening...

[limber rose]

locked out of WW again

There we go, back in

Wii U Froze 🙂

[thin echo]

oof

and so did cemu

[prime sinew]

F :'v

[limber rose]

the heck?

[cinder junco]

Nooo papu :,v

[thin echo]

shit game

[limber rose]

oof

[bold delta]

sorry for hitting you with the blue

[thin echo]

got pummelled by everything

[thin echo]

nah its all good

tbf I shouldnt be driving in the centre lol

[limber rose]

I avoided a lot more than I should've been able to there

[bold delta]

i got pushed off the track 2 times...

in a row..

[thin echo]

recording some games here

in hopes they come out nice

[limber rose]

If you want my POV for a video just ask

[thin echo]

everytime I do this it somehow fucks up lol

[bold delta]

and i get target shocked..

[limber rose]

Well that was a calming race

[night kayak]

That was a race

[bold delta]

anthony's back

[limber rose]

welp

what hacks has he brought this time?

[thin echo]

the 30fps pack

[limber rose]

That was Edmond

[unreal trench]

i have the footage

if need to ban him

but idk how to even post a report

@bold delta you know how to or no

[thin echo]

ah ffs

the lag is back

[limber rose]

It happened a bit at the end yeah

[bold delta]

ping someone like jon then provide the NNID and mii name and the proof...

[thin echo]

[bold delta]

yup...

let me grab the nnid in a moment

[unreal trench]

yeah give the nnid

[night kayak]

I also have the footage of the race

[unreal trench]

and i post the footage

[bold delta]

billy could also help

i guess

[unreal trench]

its like 26min long so i can just find the moments

yeah just @ me if u need the footage

uploading it might take a while cause its 13gb

[bold delta]

heres the pnid
apina83

[unreal trench]

bet thx

it says 3 hours remaining

so yeah ill comeback in 3 hours

[night kayak]

3rd place

[limber rose]

Anthony back

[bold delta]

[unreal trench]

ill comeback once its done

[thin echo]

AHHHHHHH

[night kayak]

I hate Baby Park

[thin echo]

the lag actually gonna kermit

i swear I get hit by the most random shit

[cinder junco]

there is a bit of item lag

[thin echo]

brb

hopefully dont kill your guys wii us

[limber rose]

Yeah whenever Anthony is present, it's consistently happening

[cinder junco]

My wiiu crash

[limber rose]

Didn't crash, but I DC'd from the lobby

[thin echo]

lmao why does it do that

[thin echo]

sorry man cemu seems to be a wii u killer on pretendo

[limber rose]

Frozen Wii U again

oof

I suppose everyone crashed there

pulled triple red twice in a row in a 4 player room

[unreal trench]

Anyone playing online

[limber rose]

There's a pretty large group on right now

Never did

[unreal trench]

Just like yesterday

[limber rose]

I never grinded a whole lot except for the really early days where I was so much more fundamentally worse

However, Royal Raceway is one of my most played timetrials

for sure!

The only time trial learderboard results I have to my name is N64 Rainbow Road 10th in the first week of release

[unreal trench]

It's just like yesterday where suddenly mk8 is VERY ACTIVE

[limber rose]

Yeah i have no idea where they came from

Time to get some work done, GGs!

I might upload the session given how interesting it was today

especially with the suspected modder

[unreal trench]

Also I saw in the pretendo website that wii u chat is 100 complete in pretendo

But

Still no public beta

[limber rose]

I mean, to be fair, they don't really owe free users anything. It's awesome that they gave access to MK8 and Splatoon for free while official servers are down, but they didn't owe us that either

[unreal trench]

True

And nintendos maintenance for splatoon and mk8 is like forever

[limber rose]

We're almost at 2 months of official downtime for them

Something tells me that... they'll probably continue to be down for months to come

Also might as well show this here

In the session VOD I'm uploading, the suspected modder would've pulled these triple mushrooms at the start of a race, right next to first place (if not had already passed, hard to tell with latency and netcode and such)

But the in-game stats don't lie, you need to be 1000 units away from first to even have a chance of triple mushrooms

1000 units is probably more or less 5 seconds behind or so...?

Will probably find a visual example actually

5 seconds behind for 1000 units was definitely an exaggeration

The start line is nearly exactly 1000 in-game units away in this screenshot. Maybe 2 seconds behind at worst when you are at speed.

But still, they were much closer than this

Here's a clip of that moment I'm talking about. I intentionally go super wide to let Anthony pass to check what he pulls in 1st. I was already very suspicious of him for a couple races before this, hence why I was checking him here.

[bold delta]

well can i ping billy about it then?

or ill wait you to provide more proof

because thats really believable

[limber rose]

Yeah go for it. I have plenty more evidence of other oddities with this particular player too should you want, like how his presence in the lobby almost always induces the item roulette bug, which I find quite suspicious in of itself. Had a Bowser's Castle race against him where I constantly got the roulette bug and pulled coins in 2nd on every single item set.

[bold delta]

yeah im playing a splatoon match atm

then ill report him

[limber rose]

In this clip even you can see me get stuck in the item roulette

[limber rose]

👌

[bold delta]

@brisk charm well uh... we have a hacker in mk8... and the evidence is pretty legit... check his messages videos here
ill just report the NNID and mii name for the meantime
Mii Name:Anthony
PNID:apina83

[unreal trench]

What was the hacker doing

[limber rose]

Yeah he returned an hour later after I initially saw him and stopped using item distribution hacks

though his presence still induced item roulette bugs like crazy, lots of people here were complaining about it as it was happening

And there was also a chance that he had higher top speed than he should've had for his builds, but that's harder to verify

though my Speedometer tool might make that do-able if I play online on emulator, I can have the speedometer hook up to another player rather than myself and see if their top speed (without firehopping of course) exceeds the maximum speed of the build consistently

It could work in theory, though is a bit of a hassle to set up

and I prefer to play online on real hardware too since it causes less issues with other players

... Also just occurs to me, I wonder how well MKTV replays can work with the speedometer. Idk how much of the kart stats are saved into replay data, but worth a shot too so that I could just send an MKTV replay to my emulator and verify after the fact

I'll try that next time

Yes, the speedometer just needs a pointer that points to an active kart on the track

right now the tool is just set up to find Player 1 on the local console

or well, local emulator, since its emulator only

I would just need to find a set up pointers that point to 12 of player slots in a lobby, and have the ability to switch between them on the fly to find the player I'm looking for

[trim maple]

People cheat also on MK8???

insane

[bold delta]

@silk hound heres the hacker's pnid and mii name..
the evidence is above the message

[limber rose]

It happened occasionally on official servers too. It's not like Deluxe where there are more checks to have a better chance to catch cheaters

[silk hound]

so what exactly is the cheat here?
from what i'm gathering its item hacks?

that right?

[trim maple]

At this point someone needs to make another custom service for Wii U & 3ds but cheats are allowed, because people can't even stop cheating without thinking what's gonna happen 😭

[bold delta]

i mean you have the source code..

[silk hound]

it's called literally private rooms

we don't care what you do there

[trim maple]

not wrong

[trim maple]

yeah but i mean public

[limber rose]

Yep, this is the one that is the most blatant is the fact that he's pulled triple mushrooms in a high position multiple times, with that clip being the most obvious. You can't pull triple mushrooms ever if you are closer than 1000 units to first place

[silk hound]

gotcha

[bold delta]

he knows a lot more of the technical stuff on mk8

so he knows what hes talking about

[silk hound]

yeah can tell, wouldn't have caught that myself lul

[bold delta]

yeah i also noticed him speeding up a lot without using the meta combos

thats already sus

[limber rose]

And people cheat in places where people typically also aren't cheating, that's how they get fulfillment.

[bold delta]

yeah in mk8 you rarely see anyone cheat

[limber rose]

It's also hard to know for sure, it could just be lag

[bold delta]

true..

[limber rose]

This item thing is way more easier to prove

Also speaking of private rooms, sometime later I might round up some people here to a private room to see how the Wii Bike handling mod does against karts.

Its a mod I made a while back but haven't really had a chance to properly play test it

[silk hound]

@limber rose alright that PNID is b&

[bold delta]

oh yeah mk8 voice chat on friend rooms work

just if you're curious

tysm

[limber rose]

Nice, thanks!

[unreal trench]

Who's playing MK8?

[limber rose]

Found this clip as well when scrubbing through the footage. Just in case there were any doubts lol

Last shroom used for cut and secure first into the 3rd lap. Next item set they hit is while they are still way ahead in first, and it's triple mushrooms, which then gets used to dodge a blue shell. Pretty blatant. And the roulette glitch was persistent for me throughout this entire race, I got literally nothing else other than coins

[unreal trench]

If any1 wants to play mk8 join worldwide with no dlc tracks enabled

ok nvm

[unreal trench]

pls someone join

[bold delta]

hey theres actually a mk8 lobby going on

huh

[thin echo]

good amount on rn

so many marios

[bold delta]

i had to stop because i could had gotten hit by your piranha..

sadly i didin't notice the blue shell

so...

[thin echo]

its fine i literally just drove into it

[formal oxide]

Fr Like almost everyone had mario and the same kart and wheels

[thin echo]

sometimes i cba to avoid

like imagine braking

[bold delta]

im using this mod so everyone for me has this https://gamebanana.com/mods/439370

well it replaces the normal mario so everyone that uses mario has this skin lol

it can replace tanooki tho but i didin't

[thin echo]

now the annoying part is, whenever I wanna change kart im risking crashing your guys consoles

so lame

this combo is ass

[formal oxide]

k

[thin echo]

yeah k

why does this always feel super slow for 150 though

[bold delta]

why

why baby park

nvm

uh i somehow got triple shrooms..

huh..

[thin echo]

i just spammed a 3 shell at some guy right at the line loool

swift overtake

[thin echo]

dont tell DJ he'll get onto his detective work

why is everyone so sweaty

imagine having a non op combo race

sorry i was actually malding

now i cant connect to whoevers host

idk

could be a pretendo or player side thing

did that packed lobby just die then

[bold delta]

yep

[thin echo]

rip

nah i actually cant play with these guys who cant sustain 60fps

ruins the whole lobby

[unreal trench]

@bold delta

https://youtu.be/fGA56sbgSvk

maybe this could help

[bold delta]

thanks i guess

[unreal trench]

Yeah pls get this guy banned

[bold delta]

oh btw the anthony guy is banned

[unreal trench]

wait already?

[bold delta]

yep..

[unreal trench]

lol

Thanks

[unreal trench]

Poland but with a small square and a star

[thin echo]

I see some crazy desync between us in this video. especially when the bomb goes off, affects all players but me. and right after that I drift into a wall then teleport infront lol https://youtu.be/fGA56sbgSvk?t=996

downsides of cemu ig even when you have steady 60 fps and good connection

seems apparent with Monar aswell who I assume was also on cemu

[bold delta]

i had some really huge lag on the 3rd race of the video..

not sure if it was showing for yall or was it just me..

[thin echo]

what happened?

[bold delta]

like everyone was getting ghost hits on my screen. even players with stars were teleporting..

i swear it was so weird..

and i know my connection is stable thanks to splatoon so...

it was kinda of a huge lag spike

[thin echo]

can't recall whether this was one of the games someone on cemu was lagging it out

could definitely be the culprit

[limber rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sxvlMVM1hE

Session from yesterday

[thin echo]

damn thats a long recording

nice

[limber rose]

48:28 was the first appearance of that modder too

[unreal trench]

I was in the video

I saw my mii in the video

[limber rose]

Man this is still only at 360p

Multi-hour videos turns out takes a while to process

who would've thought

[unreal trench]

I took 8 hours for me 💀

[night kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gser1tkcRc MK8 session from yesterday

[bold delta]

sorry to whoever was in my lobby and i redded i needed your coins

[limber rose]

Chilling in WW lobbies for a bit!

[bold delta]

ill be trying a new mod atm

https://gamebanana.com/mods/360203

of course you get 2 reds..

of course..

i hate this game sometimes

[limber rose]

It was a Crazy 8 pull in 2nd

[cinder junco]

Lol

[limber rose]

Oh nice, lobby filling up fast

[cinder junco]

I got an error :(

[bold delta]

OH GOD THE BLOOPER ACTUALLY BEING USEFUL FOR ONES

THAT ALMOST SCREWED ME UP

[limber rose]

I'm feeling my F tier combo right now

[bold delta]

no idea how i dodged that blue shell explosion

had to slow down and actually managed to not fall down

[limber rose]

Bruh

this baby rosa is probably speed hacking

I might need more races to see but they were just flying

[cinder junco]

I noticed it too

[limber rose]

Yeah it's blatant

[bold delta]

oh yeah shes def speeding up a lot

thankfully we have the pnid

[limber rose]

Baby Rosalina Featherweight on Leaf Tires Standard Bike can't ever go that fast

even a top speed build can't

[cinder junco]

definitely a hacker

[limber rose]

so like

Good thing I'm recording too in case evidence is needed again

[bold delta]

im just gonna spam it

[cinder junco]

X2

[bold delta]

YUP HES HACKIN

G

HES SPEEDING UP A LOT WITHOUT A SHROOM

WHAT

[cinder junco]

Hack

[limber rose]

Yeah it's super blatant

[bold delta]

YEAH THATS SO OBVIOUS

[cinder junco]

@people who can ban

[bold delta]

OKAY YEAH THATS ENOUGH PROOF

SEND THE FOOTAGE PLEASE

[limber rose]

I'm using F tier on purpose

though the inward drifting bikes can technically still firehop

its just a lot more wimpy

[bold delta]

heres the PNID

YosMaky999

i just need the footage

[cinder junco]

Mktv

[limber rose]

I'll get a clip together

[bold delta]

send me a video please

us*

[bold delta]

its sooo obvious...

[limber rose]

There's the clip. Clearly far too fast to launch ahead

Also is everyone offline now? No one is showing up in WW

Also why is there someone streaming cartoons in the MK8voice channel

lmao

There's a lot of off-topic things that happen in that voice channel

[bold delta]

@brisk charm heres your proof...
Mii Name: (Uh... it has unicode characters but ill try to mention it.) "Yos???maky"
PNID:YosMaky999
the reply has the speedhacks proof...

although i could ping jon about it

hopefully won't bother him?

[bold delta]

@onyx sundial sorry for the ping but if billy does not respond you could ban him instead

[limber rose]

Ideally moderation and banning of players probably shouldn't come down to pinging lead developers, especially if this becomes more persistant, it should be delegated for someone else to be able to handle

[bold delta]

yeah...

[limber rose]

Man, everyone really did just leave lol. Went from 8-9 player lobbies to 1 player

🤔

Yeah there is, how'd you know?

Wii U froze

Froze again

[dry moth]

At

Ay bois

[ebon yarrow]

LMAo bois

[dry moth]

Join DLC server

[dry moth]

Bro you got the whole squad laughin'!

[trim maple]

OK

[limber rose]

Cemu right?

[trim maple]

Yeah

I'm messing with stuff

Finally decided to sacrifice space just for messing with the game

And idk what to do, i started doing memory searching not long ago

[bold delta]

well im trying to mod wwhd

god the text filesystem for this is a fucking mess

i can't specifically find the tingle bottle references on it

[trim maple]

Anyone available for me i need to do memory searching

[unreal trench]

yes

[bold delta]

btw i just finished wwhd..

i found this mod while finding mk8 mods

https://youtu.be/N1c8GD7_k_8

[limber rose]

What is it that you are doing specifically?

[trim maple]

Finding most values for some stuff, memory searching in a simple word

[limber rose]

Oh, I know what memory searching is, I'm even doing that a little bit as we speak and making gecko codes. Was just curious what you were doing specifically

[cinder junco]

remember the hacker from yesterday? https://youtu.be/IHQCDMC4RDY

[hallow edge]

I saw her video 😭

[viral finch]

https://youtu.be/q9ymzBsafZQ

[limber rose]

Have they been banned yet?

[bold delta]

sent a comment on their video

[limber rose]

I mean, that's typical to hear from people who hack

Try not to instigate or start something with them, you probably won't get through to them or get anything out of it

We just need them banned

[limber rose]

Oh, funny enough they were using item hacks in the last 2 races blatantly in their own video

So some evidence against the accused provided by the accused

[thin echo]

oh yeah, wow. they literally slow down while they change the items lmaoooooo

yikes

[thin echo]

yep, sadly

everyone must be busy

was searching earlier and no one

still have no idea where the sudden surge of players came from

doesnt appear theyre in this server either

[near egret]

I'm down for playing if anybody wants to

[limber rose]

How nice of them to show how to use Pretendo only for them to hack in public lobbies

[limber rose]

Anyone up for some private room races? There's a inside drift handling mod I want to playtest a bit.

Ah, yeah, one sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG0bBUC8K5c

The version in this video is fairly outdated, I recently started and almost done with a rewrite of the code that allows this to work.

But what it does, as described in the video in a nutshell, is it removes the "Hybrid Drift" from the inward drifting bikes. Basically, making these bikes feel more responsive. As well as giving them a small overall speed buff (currently have it at +6%) to compensate for not really having effective firehops, allowing them to keep up with other firehopping karts.

That's kind of the goal of that mod, to make inside drifting bikes more competitive and balanced, and also just more fun to drive.

You'll only need the mod if you want to also race with this type of handling. But even if you aren't using bikes it'd be good to have this enabled in the private room if possible so that opponent bikes stay more in sync with your client.

No, since it technically is modding the physics.

Though I am making the mod to be balanced, not to make you overpowered. But still, wouldn't recommend using it against players without consent

Yeah it's definitely more of a competitive buff rather than considering how much the speed buff would make it a lot better for casual play

Balancing around Firehopping being present for only one drift type is tough to balance around

6% is a massive speed buff for the bikes, but it may still not be enough to beat the best of the best MK8 Kart players. But would be really easy get faster times over people racing in karts who don't firehop

It's more or less the same. I think some things with how big the kart is, where the wheels are, or whatever, can effect the exact amount of speed you get

but funamentally, any vehicle in the game, if you land sideways from a jump while boosting, you gain extra speed.

Inside drifting bikes can kinda do this with hops, but its a lot weaker. But from like, a ramp jump, and you land sideways under a mushroom boost, you get more speed too

but you can't chain it to get even more speed unlike kart hops

Anything that has outside drift can firehop

No, outside drifting bikes can firehop nearly as well as karts. I think there are some physics quirks that make them slightly weaker, hence why you don't see Standard Bike Time trial runs over Pipe Frame, even though they share the same stats

but the overall difference in the grand scheme of things is minimal for outside drifting bikes and karts, only in timetrials does it really start to matter since you are trying to min-max every little thing

yeah animation is janky when you spam hops on the outside bikes

Pipe Frame and the Mercedes car thing are the only two builds that have records in the stat group they belong to. But they share stats with 4 outside drifting bikes, and the wild wiggler

I still group them together as equals since in world wide races their minor physics differences aren't as impactful

[cinder junco]

does the mod work on wiiu?

[limber rose]

Yeah, it's a TCPGecko code

[cinder junco]

So it doesn't work in aroma?

[limber rose]

Yeah, Tiramisu only I think

I'd like to, haven't had a chance to really playtest it with people since I wasn't really in communications with anyone in the MK8U community when I initially made it

[cinder junco]

and do you think i can join the room without the hack?

[limber rose]

Yes, you can! Your inside drifting bikes won't change, though, just for anyone who has the mod on. And if you don't have the mod on, while I can still race with the mod, my vehicle on your screen may not be in sync as well as if you had it enabled, though, since the physics is different for you client than what I have for my client.

[cinder junco]

Inside drift vs Fire hopping

[limber rose]

6% speed can save like, 7 seconds on a 120 second run, just about

It's a meaningful boost, but WR MK8 holders would probably still use karts since karts have a lot more potential

[cinder junco]

every second matters in time trials

[limber rose]

custom lobby where?

I was going to do this in like a private room since it guarantees only people who know about the mod will play and consent to it

[cinder junco]

also using it in ww counts as cheating

[limber rose]

Oh yeah I remember hearing about that 🤔

I guess also to be fair, it's pretty unlikely custom WW would be actively used

[limber rose]

If it's empty!

hmm

Oh I was I think oops

That was on from last night lol

[cinder junco]

so ww dlc?

[limber rose]

On 48 tracks now

[limber rose]

WW Customs 150cc

dang

6% extra speed and with better handling isn't a joke

I have concerns its too much, but also I know for a fact it still can't compete with the best firehopping players

so its weird to balance

[cinder junco]

oh

[limber rose]

For sure

That was an ending sequence

[cinder junco]

fucking green shell

[limber rose]

My green shell smart bounced into Kirby somehow from where I shot it lmao

then I ran into his backtrail green, negating the advantage completely

[cinder junco]

Mk8 moment

[limber rose]

one thing I may need to consider is the fact that karts get a lot more out of mushrooms than inside drifting bikes will. Firehopping with a Mushroom is extremely effecient, but in WW races, you may not get them as much as having the guaranteed 3 mushrooms in a time trial

I see a wild Pixzl has arrived

👀

[thin echo]

[cinder junco]

Hello!

Sonic 06:

[limber rose]

LMAO

WHYYYY was there a banana there

[cinder junco]

🍌

[limber rose]

I got redded once, I hit the rolling rock after that because of blooper, which made the 2nd red ignore me

idk where the third one was

I'm wondering if it'd be more fitting for the bike to have a 4-5% speed buff instead of 6% for WW. For Time Trials I had the temptation to make it even more than 6% since karts that can use the mushroom in the best spots of the map at any time for the best firehop result, while in WW that's not always possible.

That's my theory right now anyway

[cinder junco]

loading screens are now eternal for me

[limber rose]

yeah we're just chilling in the starting line

[cinder junco]

Like sonic06 loading screen

[thin echo]

this is what its regularly like for a cemu player lol

[limber rose]

next race I'm setting it to +4%

[thin echo]

i cant even hang with you guys damn

[limber rose]

There's probably a reason they removed Wheelies

[cinder junco]

Bruh

[limber rose]

🧀

I like cheese

[cinder junco]

Eggs>>>

Is it me or is there a lot of lag in the room?

[limber rose]

I think the new bike physics are at their weakest on the slippery tracks like that one

half of what I did to fix their handling was improve their base traction, but that gets negated off-road

[limber rose]

Feels fine for me atm

[cinder junco]

...

[thin echo]

its definitely a little laggy

frametimes feel off

[limber rose]

🤔

[thin echo]

i know it was bound to be desync but right at the start you pinged me off the bridge

[thin echo]

its still up to speed but theres ever so slight hitches

[bold delta]

managed to join your lobby

you guys wanna do 200cc later?

[thin echo]

I'll need to go very soon

shouldn't even be awake

its 2am

[bold delta]

uhh...

why is it stuck?

[thin echo]

loading the map?

[limber rose]

I can do 200cc, but not with the bikes. I have the speed modifier as a flat value that's set, it'll overwrite the 200cc speed, so I'll only be moving at 150cc. I'll have to do karts

[bold delta]

im not actually loading anything??

im stuck

[thin echo]

oh

[bold delta]

nvm

its finally loading now

huh

[thin echo]

it did that for me but eventually got in

couple races back

[cinder junco]

don't worry, it's just a reference to sonic06

[limber rose]

same here

[bold delta]

i get target shocked by a cpu?

what

[thin echo]

the backshells

[limber rose]

backspammers at the finish line smh

[cinder junco]

[thin echo]

yeah hes real good

wait til he gets out bowser

[limber rose]

[bold delta]

[cinder junco]

Show time

[thin echo]

pipe frame

[limber rose]

Not yet

[cinder junco]

No show time?

[bold delta]

no idea how i didin't get hit by that piranha..

[thin echo]

im so bad rn

I blame tiredness

[limber rose]

Piranha hitboxes are weird

Setting it to +3% now

[cinder junco]

Is the difference of 6>4 noticeable?

[limber rose]

It is in long term

[cinder junco]

i hate that track

[bold delta]

same

in dx of course

[cinder junco]

literally 3 mushrooms in the last lap and you won

[limber rose]

It's a track that's all about seeing if you get something to do the mega shortcut

[bold delta]

of course i get shocked just before the cut..

and please don't be winter

[thin echo]

autumn baby

[bold delta]

thank god

[limber rose]

+3% is feeling a lot more fair I think

[bold delta]

i was waiting for the shock for the rest of the 2 laps..

never cam

e

[thin echo]

okay, one more for me

[bold delta]

and then i get a blooper

bruh

[limber rose]

👋

[thin echo]

later man

[limber rose]

yeah true

good frontrunning combo

Oh yeah one thing with the build is that its stats are different from the official stats now too. I've given all the inside drift bikes unique stats to test with. The Sport Bike was given overall good stats but extremely poor accel. Makes it hard to recover from shocks like that

It makes me curious what it would be like with roles reversed

GGs! Thanks for participating, learned a lot from playtesting this

I think the only real way to make it balanced at like, all skill levels, is to buff bike firehopping instead or something

And then keep the speed multiplier at 1.0x

If it's just a blanket speed boost, the potential for the bikes will still be quite limited, and the skill ceiling is just easier to reach on an inside drifting bike with simpler mechanics than the firehopping karts

So the solution would probably be to just make the bikes more mechanically complex and reward with speed somehow. But also this may not really be easy to do as that would require probably modifying the game's code itself, which isn't easy obviously

But it's good to know what's needed

[limber rose]

At least I feel pretty good about the handling mods

no more hybrid drift shenanigans, it helps makes the inward drifting bikes more flexible in a race.

Yeah I want to make a mod or code for it for DX too. Though I may hold off on that for a bit if it's something that can be easily abused online undetected

I know DX servers check for certain modified files

but idk if it checks for if there are any codes modifying the game as its running

If Nintendo is already on top of that, then I'd feel less bad

hmm

This is basically what the code is doing (blacked out the pointers and offsets for now)

0.750 is the base traction for all vehicles by default on normal road. Higher means its more slippery. 0.0 would mean no slip at all. To get the bikes to handle better, making them grip more was one of the bigger impact solutions. But there's also the "Initial Drift Skid" value that controls how far outside the vehicle drifts when you initially start it. Kart's default value there is somewhere around 0.53 or so. Inside drift bikes its default is 0.1. And my solution to fixed the outward skid is to push it into the negatives, giving it a -0.1 value.

There are also those camera values. Default behavior for some reason has the camera look away from where you are driving when you are drifting in an inside drift bike. 0.2 is the default for base drift, meaning the camera looks quite far outside. 0.4 is when you're SMT is charged, and pushes the camera even FURTHER away from where you're looking. So those values are changed as well to make that less stupid.

Yeah I suppose you'd be right. Pointer searching for your speed value or speed multiplier is easy enough already. I dunno.

Yeah it's poorly tuned. If you've ever seen the Toad's Turnpike WR for MK8DX, the camera literally phases through walls because of how close they are drifting to the wall

I think it'd be better overall if they made these changes officially

I don't think they are unfair inherently or shake up the balance that much if its just changing how the initial skid works and the traction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QFf4WdcmQ

Camera go brrr

Trial and error, and getting a feel for it with time, is probably how they manage it

It's not ideal, and kinda stupid and should've been fixed ages ago even with the original MK8U

but here we are

[ebon yarrow]

lmao man, a year ago i doubt they would do anything, but anythings possible after the 8dx balance changes

[limber rose]

I feel like the current dev team when they started releasing the new tracks, they wanted to try them online

and once they got enough VR to get into higher skill lobbies, all they kept seeing were Waluigi Wiggler and felt obligated to do something about it

They initially tried to make changes with the invincibility frame stat

Wiggler and BiddyBuggy had the worst invinicibility frame windows, while the other niche builds get higher ones. This would keep time trials uneffected, so this honestly seemed like a decent idea.

But it didn't work, so they brought a sledgehammer instead

🔨

Now instead of Waluigi Wiggler, it's either Rosaline Teddy Buggy or Yoshi BiddyBuggy I believe. There will always be a meta.

I think the only real way to have "variety" in this case would be to have a lot more of these kart parts to share stats with other good parts.

That's the one thing they did different in Deluxe, a lot more things have unique stats

but as a consequence, if a stat distribution is desired and there is only one combo that gets you there, why use any other part than the one or two that give you that stat distribution?

MK8U only has 9 different stat distributions for Body pieces, for example. Deluxe is nearly double that or something

Yep.

I had to go back a few WRs for that toads turnpike run because it turns out somehow Yoshi BiddyBuggy now holds the WR there on 150cc now

I mean even in Deluxe, character stats are more unique than in 8U

8U vs 8DX

8U was even less complex before its DLC drop and gave us Tanooki Mario, the Villagers, and Cat Peach

[bold delta]

heavy weight miis also share the same stats as bowser and morton?

[limber rose]

8DX has no more than 4 per group, 8U has up to 8 in a group

[limber rose]

In both games, yes!

[bold delta]

ah interesting..

[trim maple]

I'm watching this eating some of my cereals it looks really interesting

[bold delta]

although i think i have to actually change my user mii account to use it right?

[limber rose]

Yeah, it uses a combinations of you Mii's Height and Weight from the Mii Maker to determine its in-game weight class

[bold delta]

ah so i do have to change my account..

huh..

[limber rose]

Or edit your current mii, or whatever works

no account changing needed either way

That'd go too far in the other direction, because now you have to consider the kart size differences

If all characters have the same stats, I feel most often you'd just use the smallest builds, right?

get closer to them walls

You'd probably still want to split between the sizes

so that they have their own reasons to be picked for their stats

Gold Kart was really good for a time before Pipe Frame took over time trials when people realized its handling stats were really good for a lot of courses

this was all before the DLC karts too

I think the only record Gold Kart has in 8U now is on Yoshi Circuit

and I think it's EXCLUSIVELY because of the tire NISC halfway through the course

might be wrong, but I think that'd be why based on observation

I think so, given its size

Mach 8 and Gold Kart, depending on the track

Mach 8 for hanging off ledges like N64 Rainbow Road and such

Mach 8 might also have better firehops or something due to how its body is configured, but yeah

The entire top speed class was almost entirely replaced by the DLC karts

with a couple exceptions

and it also replaced a lot of pipeframe levels too

it was wild how good they were

I dont think it's the acceleration strictly that does it, if at all, in a TT context

it's the handling

better handling in MK8 just means you have a tighter turning radius

traction didn't mean anything unless you were on a track with offroad characteristics

Speed Ground/Water/Anti-Grav/Glider

Mach 8 Speed Stats: 5/4/5/4
Streetle/Blue Falcon Speed Stats: 4/3/5/3

I do wonder actually, looking at the stats

the handling isn't that much better than I expected

Streetle and Blue Falcon only has 1 more point in handling for Anti-Grav handling

Looking directly at the stats ingame

first hand source

(except for the modified stats of the bikes I did earlier)

I think that's averaging with all 4 of your parts

so whatever total number it was, divided by 4

https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Kart_8

Scroll down a bit, and you'll find the same stats I'm looking at

hmmm

So the Streetle and Blue Falcon have basically the same handling stats. So what I reckon what makes them truelly better is the MiniTurbo stat, giving them longer MTs, meaning you can fit in an extra firehop per SMT or something.

And also I may need to test this, but I think its firehops would be better for MTs in general because of its acceleration stat

thinking about how firehopping works from when I did my research a couple weeks ago

Your base speed gets lowered after each hop, and has to re accelerate back to where it was from the boost. A mushroom boost I don't think changes here, it gives you max Accel regardless of your stats, but idk about MT boosts, I think the acceleration is taken from your stats in some way even for an MT, but I'd need to verify to be sure

I dunno, you'd have to ask the original MK8U devs that question

They chose these wild stats after all

Pay to win baby

eh, tbh idk how legit that claim is

I lived it

but still

I doubt that was intentional

more like it was just poor balance and design

Like, they mega nerfed Bayo a couple times if I recall and she still ended up being meta

that kinda feels like they didn't know how to fix her

at least to me

I get the same vibes from Steve in Ultimate, too

I doubt they intentionally made him really broken, I just think they didn't realize what his potential was

when they designed him

It's really hard to balance without good playtesting

and the higher the samplesize for any given playtest the better

but if you aren't even playtesting around competitive in the first place, it can start to make the competitive side of balance quite messy

It's not always possible to do that in a setting that's private, it can get expensive to get all these pro players to private rooms to sign NDAs and playtest for as long as possible

I feel like in a way, modern games are sort of cursed to be playtested after launch from a competitive balance standpoint

because its otherwise too hard to balance otherwise without having everyone playing the game publicly on a launch day

[bold delta]

guys theres actually people playing rn

btw i tried to use my mk8 disc again

hopefully no issues happen?

im having some disc read errors and i somewhat fixed them by using the non readable files into a SD.. which seems to work?

[trim maple]

i'

[ebon yarrow]

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[trim maple]

.

OOPS

i wanna play online but god damn my skills is not present

[topaz python]

ya

[unreal trench]

lol

[unreal trench]

anyone available to play rn

[vestal coral]

are you still playing?

[unreal trench]

no, but i can turn it on rn if you want to play

[wary yarrow]

To play online, you need to create a friend room ?

[wary yarrow]

Thanks for the Info

[limber rose]

I'm getting on atm

[trim maple]

Im gonna get on and hope i can be 1st in a round because i'm not used to MK8 anymore on Wii U

I'm probably going to stream my Wii U since i can see the game on my gamepad

I FORGOT THE SPECTATOR MUSIC

ITS CATCHY

GG

[bold delta]

ill just test my mk8 disc out

and somewhat fixed it by putting the non readable files on my sd..

hopefully..

[trim maple]

GG

[bold delta]

well instantly got a disc read error

time to redirect that to my sd

[limber rose]

Wouldn't you need SDCafiine to be active?

[trim maple]

5 people

nice

[limber rose]

idk if aroma has that

[bold delta]

in aroma it autoboots

[limber rose]

oh, huh

Well, Disc2App could work?

[bold delta]

the disc is too badly damaged for it to even get dumped without any corruption

[trim maple]

GG

[trim maple]

Disc pains

Oh he 6 people

hey**

[bold delta]

hopefully 7 soon

oh god it also lags on spectator

wtf

[trim maple]

oh it lags???

that's why i saw someojne randomly appear then

[bold delta]

ew we have the speedhacker

@limber rose

[limber rose]

FUCKS SAKE

why didnt they get banned

fuccking dammit

[bold delta]

yeah

[trim maple]

Omg its the hacker

[limber rose]

This is fucking annoying

[trim maple]

hi if they read this chat ig

[limber rose]

We need action to be taken faster

They're going to bag and then front run with speed hacks

or something

They aren't being blatant this time

[trim maple]

my hand hurts

not used to gamepad anymore

[limber rose]

You can use any controller if you have any

Wii U Pro, Wii Classic Controller, etc

[trim maple]

Not wrong

All i need to do is be used to any of those controllers which is more easier than the gamepad

[limber rose]

🤔

Yeah there's no way there would've been one dropped their right?

[trim maple]

i didn't record oops

[limber rose]

yeah

[trim maple]

i only got one via that lucky thing

i forgot the name

[limber rose]

They have hacks on but they are just chilling in the back being quiet about it or something

[bold delta]

this guy is getting just red shells all the time???

[trim maple]

LOILOLOLO

THE HACKS

[bold delta]

i saw him get one and spam it on me

??????

[trim maple]

HE THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA MAKE ME LAST

LFMAOOO

uh it recorded that much

i saw them using so much when i was behind them

[bold delta]

i also saw him stopping and waiting for me to get the items

[trim maple]

the clip proves it

[bold delta]

i also stopped so...

[trim maple]

this was weird

who

me?

ohh

yeah ngl they have a good fast combo

[limber rose]

It's a top speed kart combo but I'm on featherweight

[unreal trench]

c

[bold delta]

bruh

ofc you get a bullet

why

[limber rose]

One day I'll learn how to do bounce pads

[trim maple]

luck ig

my god damn fingers hurt

wtf

my clip recorded 10 FPS???

bruh

its set to 60

[bold delta]

WHAT THE FUCK

HE GOT 3 BULLETS IN A ROW

????

YEP

HES DEF CHEATING

[trim maple]

i hope people recorded

[limber rose]

I mean we already knew that

we have plenty of proof already from the other day

we just need action

like please

[unreal trench]

Who

[bold delta]

YosMaky999

thats his PNID

[trim maple]

yoshimakyy whatever the fuck their mii name is

[unreal trench]

You mean the anime mii

[bold delta]

yeah that one

the weeb

[unreal trench]

It all makes sense now

The stereotype is real

[limber rose]

DC'd from lobby before track selection

They pulled golden like 1000 units away from first

not surprising but it's caught on recording

And more item spawning

ffs

@bold delta We'll need you help probably to get action done

like, there's not much else I can do other than complain and bitch

[trim maple]

OMFG

I DID IT

LOLOLLO

[bold delta]

whos lagging pretty badly on cemu

[trim maple]

THE OTHER GUY HACKLIBNG

HACKING

DJ did you clip that

[bold delta]

well i can ping shutter about it

[limber rose]

Yeah I was recording from spectator

[bold delta]

send the proof and then ill send the ping

[limber rose]

Look back from a few days ago

proof is already there

[trim maple]

it makes us have more proof

[limber rose]

They literally record videos on their own channel hacking

[bold delta]

@silk hound we have a hacker... PNID:YosMaky999
Mii Name: (same thing but with custom symbols)

https://discordapp.com/channels/408718485913468928/1070381417642590239/1100194307320844368

heres the proof

[limber rose]

Roulette glitch is here now too

ugh

[bold delta]

and theres somebody lagging hard too

ugh

[trim maple]

wait who

is that

[limber rose]

That just means your item you get from a box takes forever to roll

and you can't do anything about it

[trim maple]

Well here's another clip with full matches

[trim maple]

OHH

[limber rose]

Anyway, MK8 on Pretendo is going to be miserable if these people keep showing up

[trim maple]

Also i thought i was like lagging but it was just a player making all of us lag??

[unreal trench]

Probably the copy and paste anime mii having Mario kart hacker

[trim maple]

they think the are those cool cheaters

meh haker!!! mùe gret!!!

[limber rose]

Literally worries about the health of the game here if this persists

this sucks

Someone in the lobby is on Cemu

It's not the hacker, just someone on a slow PC or something

[bold delta]

DON'T PICK BABY PARK

HE SPAMS REDSHELLS ON IT

[trim maple]

Yeah i know but damn this was a big lag

[unreal trench]

Epic 1337 elite haxx0r 😎

[trim maple]

omg so cool hacker pls friend

[unreal trench]

this user doesn't allow friend requests

[limber rose]

Either that or just force DC anyone not able to hold close to 60fps

because all it takes is one laggy Cemu player

[bold delta]

that dosen't even work on pretendo

[trim maple]

we need someone making a 30fps patch for cemu at this point

[silk hound]

obvious much?
gimme a sec

[bold delta]

BULLET AT FIRST

ITS SO OBVIOUS

[trim maple]

that lag is so bad

i can't even play correctl

[limber rose]

Multiple times

[bold delta]

please do

AND HE LEFT

[trim maple]

red shell spam clip iirc

[limber rose]

I don't remember how the behavior worked on Nintendo servers, Cemu players online I felt were more rare

[trim maple]

YosMaky999 after being banned from cheating (that's their PNID)

[silk hound]

banned
keep in mind if they were still in your match they'll be able to keep playing (we don't have a means of kicking people mid-match implemented, although we know how)

[trim maple]

PERIODT

[unreal trench]

How tf did that table break so easily

[trim maple]

that's what i wonder

[bold delta]

thank youuu

[trim maple]

not unless they use a new wiiu

or cemu with someone else certs

[limber rose]

PNID doesn't work like that afaik

[trim maple]

i thought unbanning was getting another wiiu in my thoughts

[silk hound]

for now we don't ban the console unfortunately
that will happen in the future but for now it's the account only

[unreal trench]

Wait does the unbanning exploit not work at all

[trim maple]

does it ban serial or other?

i wanna know i'm interested into Wii U stuff

[silk hound]

we can actually ban the console-unique (as in, only Nintendo can generate them) cert

meaning that outside of a new Wii U they can't go back online, even with a serial change