You should not be using only consumable fog repellers.
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
hexed vapor
split knoll
Haha, you’re about to have a much better time with this level.
full geyser
do we have to shoot the tumors next to the mother in R3B2
mortal granite
no
mortal granite
you missed
desert lance
we literally sat beside her
nocturne flax
Bubbles sometimes goes trough things, doors enemies etc
lost linden
One full charge isn't enough
hexed vapor
It can be enough
I've one-charged it before
It's not clear why
Because sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
granite sail
Yeah it goes through her sometimes
You have to get it at exactly the right spot for a one charger
Other wise it doesn’t actually touch her
light totem
^
granite sail
I just don’t cfoam her at all
nocturne flax
I still dont get why sometimes enemies shoot you through closed door tho
light totem
Bug
keen rampart
@lost linden 1 full Charge is enough :D .
lost linden
I'd rather say it doesn't when it fails sometimes due to... bugs :P
I stand corrected either way
torn tide
Hello I have a question
Can you think about problems/challenges that could make the game harder? Things that could happen because of the drop, like gear getting damaged or something like this?
torn tide
Yes well what do you mean?
light totem
well
my fav
Is B1 solo, 233 all scans at once, double uplink, 10% hud only while doing uplinks, 0% otherwise, no crosshair
torn tide
Oh yeah hud and crosshair thats a good idea
torn tide
I'm working on a little challenge creator in excel
light totem
ah
light totem
uhh, dont see why not in regards to that
torn tide
If you have time just take a look at the excel, I think HUD and crosshair could be level 4 and 5
light totem
no hud, and crosshair is kinda to go to for challenge runs
torn tide
So would you place it lower?
torn tide
Kk
How do you like the idea? I still want to add a lot more to create even more random challenges
light totem
hmm, maybe try the Beyond Server in #highlighted-communities
we do challenges weekly- monthly
torn tide
Nice when I'm back home I'll take a look
Do you mind if I put some challenges from you guys into the excel sheet?
torn tide
Well thank you very much, I'd say people can decide which level from the generator they want to add, to create a little bit of progression inside of the creator. It's just a little tool to spice things up a little (:
fossil knoll
me and my friends dropped into D1 for the first time and when the alarm started going off we all started screaming
fossil knoll
also new neonate model is cool
light totem
^
fossil knoll
: (
light totem
bad level
granite sail
have fun 🙂
light totem
not fun
fossil knoll
we will try our best
granite sail
😠 shut
full geyser
guys how tf do i c-foam the mother in R3B2 so that she freezes and i can shoot the tumor?
atomic escarp
Just like any other sleeper in the game
It might take more than 1 charge to foam her though
full geyser
what about a c-foam grenade? is 1 enough to freeze her?
fossil knoll
Yeah we've used 1 before, just make sure you aim directly at her center/tumors and it should hit
Same with launcher, as long as your C-foam launcher dude is directly in front of her and hits all of the foam, 1 charge should do the trick
mortal granite
when you throw the grenade
make sure to throw at a distance that it burst out exactly where she's at
or else you will miss a bunch
torn tide
Yo, I updated the Challenge Creator, go take a look! shorturl.at/uELP1
fossil knoll
anyone have any tips for clearing the first blood door in D1 without dying
we got like fifty hybrids that spawn
fossil knoll
would we try to clear it from directly in front or should we back up to spawn/another room?
light totem
eh, i dont mind up close
fossil knoll
also we are only running one mine deployer, is two kosher or too much
light totem
if you have any extra, why not
fossil knoll
got it, thanks!
full geyser
erm guys in R3B2
if the scout is in zone 509 with me
but not in the same subzone
then if i do the 510 sec door then will it chase us?
full geyser
ah ok
is repeatedly spraying the mother with c-foam a viable strategy? or should i jsut c-foam her once?
grand ibex
once, if it doesnt then do it again
then unload on the sacks
solo, then clear first baby wave then finish her off
winged forum
Our mother got stuck in the first fog room
Do we go down to kill her?
For some reason she wont reach spawn
light totem
Uh, how?
winged forum
B2
light totem
B2 I assume
winged forum
Yea we sat on spawn for 30 minutes
winged forum
When we went to check shes just in the hole
granite sail
it might have to do with like the mother zone thing where she cant go beyond a certain point
like in D1
she might just be confused and bugged out cuz of the zones
light totem
I had the bug back on day 1 here it spawned 2
One ran there into first room under the E ramp
granite sail
hm weird
light totem
@winged forum so what happened
winged forum
yea we went to check and died
granite sail
that sucks
winged forum
she just sprang from the hole when we were next to the stairs
winged forum
no we just sat on the spawn
light totem
Cool, so someone was modding/ hacking
Because she is a ways into the level normally and will not spawn otherwise
winged forum
was talking abt last time
hybrid coral
Gotta say, can't agree with monsters spawning out of thin air in D1. Had a giant spawn on us as all four of us were doing a scan
devout river
Ya that happens
It should not happen if you are all in the same room but I guess it can
granite sail
it happens anywhere, giants can do anything
ive had flying giants
and half giants
and wall phase giants
and floor phase giants
light totem
Legsy scouts
light totem
A masterpiece of game engineering
light totem
Yep
obtuse surge
the birther, just like any other enemy, gets stuck when unable to calculate a clear path to at least one player
which means if you're a baby standing in a spot where you can't get hit
the enemies might never show up
or you'll have to wait a very long time
turbid cliff
why bother with that when you can technically wipe a birther with one shotgun clip 
...i think
hexed vapor
I think you'd need at least two, but not sure how perfect accuracy would affect.
Actually, perfect accuracy might be able to do it in one clip.
desert lance
is c1 hard?
turbid cliff
why not just drop in and see
desert lance
any specific strat?
light totem
Try out a bunch of ways
sullen sigil
Always go to the loot zone off to the side once you’re through the key door
devout river
I do not think you always have to but I usually do because it is helpful
sullen sigil
It helps a lot
light totem
Yep
sullen sigil
Now I’m curious. Which is better to do first? Objective door or loot door?
sullen sigil
Is loot an alarm? Can’t remember
light totem
No
light totem
Yeah
devout river
yES
light totem
Key spawns in 13
sullen sigil
Which is in the fog right?
sullen sigil
Ugh
light totem
Can be the fog room, the side room out of the fog
sullen sigil
Ok thanks
sullen sigil
So go to terminal to ping it?
light totem
Most people have probably never been to terminal/ side room
Uh, if you have enough loot before hand to make the ping worth
Ie repellers, disinfects
devout river
Ye I did not even know those side rooms existed for a while
hexed vapor
Usually you can cross 13 into 13D using repellers, while one person can eat max infection to loot fully. There should be enough disinfection for them to remove it all when they're done.
mortal granite
you could do the loot zone
but
if you messed up that room
then all the loot you want are gonna be the same that you're loose
hexed vapor
I usually do both, especially since the key can be in the fog.
red plaza
+3
light totem
38%
glass sundial
I'd say loot room first is better, simply because you get a second door to trap and the second wave may spawn split, meaning you only have to deal with chunks of the second wave at a time rather than the full wave. Also, with a bit of luck both waves will alternate from one side to the other if you kill the first wave fast enough, resulting in both waves getting completely nuked by mines.
Had a solo C1 run where during the second alarm the entire first 2 waves died to mines and I only needed to defend the last scan against 1 wave. It was a cakewalk. With a team we never would've seen any enemies at all
hexed vapor
Depends on your strategies for that part, as it can be better to have one door to permafoam.
light totem
See, solo I can kite the 17/20 scans fine
So having them limited to one side is more suitable for me
Especially with my mine placements. I can clear the scans and have to deal with the remainder of the last wave
brittle crescent
I heard GTFO got a trailer for R4. It's only a cheap picture. But do not believe this first because I thought this was a fake news. I just came here to confirm.
craggy summit
pretty sure that the dev's would've posted an announcement about it if they did release one
brittle crescent
Well I hope I could comfirm that was a fake news
I'm really not in favor to see some players argueing just about a fake news and they yelling that was true
I mean in my group
not Discord here
craggy summit
a general rule of thumb is, if it isn't officially announced here, then it is fake
brittle crescent
I believe so. But it's hard to PROVE that was a fake shit
🤪
I will try to persuade those idoits
mossy yoke
I heard GTFO got a trailer for R4. It's only a cheap picture. But do not believe this first because I thought this was a fake news. I just came here to confirm.
@brittle crescent the only thing rundown 4 released is #dev-leaks
fossil knoll
When is gamescom? Devs just got off of vacation so perhaps it could be possible unless it's REALLY soon
light totem
hu?
mossy yoke
With COVID not a lot of conventions are happening
granite sail
covid big sad
lost linden
With COVID not a lot of conventions are happening
Massive Skype meeting 100k+ people
granite sail
good idea sra
lost linden
I mean we have the Community Manager for it
@mossy yoke You could manage such a thing right?
mossy yoke
lol
atomic escarp
I don't know if Skype can even handle 100 people in a call
nocturne flax
skype would probably crash by 12 people
light totem
hm
fossil knoll
d0c mails in printed out, individual frames of the R4 trailer to every member of the discord and it's up to us to piece it together
sullen sigil
Um no thanks
desert lance
How do you do blood door on b2? The scan, not the opening
mortal granite
don't die
earnest shore
@desert lance they will almost always come from fog room. So have sentries in the fog thin them out and the rest is up to you to kill
indigo lantern
wait
what are we doing with the baby anyways
on A1 the machine gives birth and stores the baby in the HSU ?
craggy flame
@indigo lantern More or less we are doing with the baby, what happens to us in the introsequence. So A1 is activating it and B2 is decompressing it and opening the shell. After that we are bringing it to D1 and connecting it with the NFrame (Neural Frame I guess). Now this is only a theory on my part, but I believe we are not killing it but connecting it with a frame network created by Santoninan or Dreyfuss industries. We prolly see what it does in R4.
mortal granite
we will know how to make sleeper
and create an army of it
AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD
craggy flame
What a boring world it would be though. Most of the denizens would sleep
turbid cliff
hey at least it'd be hard for corona to spread
indigo lantern
hell yeah
if they are keeping social distancing of course
these frickin' sleepers be standing less than 1,5 meters next to each other
smh
😤
sage folio
hello there anyone have any tips for the last rundown stage for this current rundown? 
still havent been able to clear it
nocturne flax
survive till baby in machine
glacial crescent
Depends on which part @sage folio
Part 1 with carrying the Neonate or Part 2 with sneak
sage folio
both parts if ever my friends and i are still struggling we ve gotten to the point where we had to fight on the 2nd alarm door
but we got overwhelemed
all of us died
glacial crescent
🤔 2nd Alarm door having the double stairs ye?
sage folio
yes
turbid cliff
so early on in the level
sage folio
also we have a hard time trying to clear the hybrids
on the scan door
its mostly what
messes us up
glacial crescent
If thats the case there's 2 ways I know that you can do.
- You C-foam both door and mine them up after killing the waves then start the door then have the guy with the c-foam keep c-foaming the door till scans are done.
- Open the back door and have sentries set there to shoot the enemies running through and have the guy with the sniper rifle aim for any Big Striker while everyone else mows down the sleepers.
🤔 Hybrids are relatively easy to clear, just have someone with a sniper rifle or burst cannon target them. Optionally if one of your members is good, he can dodge all the projectiles for your team; enough to prevent any damage takeen.
hexed vapor
So, looking at the roadmap update, there has been zero progress on expeditions?
craggy flame
Well they were on vacation. So makes sense?
I think the next update will be as huge as R2 was
light totem
Well there has
They started the equipment and A levels. Tho the planning is done I think
And enemy
craggy flame
Ye the planning is done
light totem
So there has been fairly good progress
craggy flame
The unity upgrade is done too
light totem
Yep
hexed vapor
Yes, but planning, A tier, B tier, C tier, and D tier are completely unchanged despite roadmap updating today. It's the same as it was when it updated in June.
Despite it being 25 days into August.
light totem
There has been progress since they returned so I’m not worried
I am quite hopeful for this rundown
lost linden
I trusted the devs and always will
turbid cliff
Looking at the roadmap i get the impression there's no hope for September though
hexed vapor
Not sure I'm excited to get R4 in October.
lost linden
Why is that?
turbid cliff
Yeah that'd be pretty tragic
why is that
Considering how past roadmap updates - game updates went
nocturne flax
dont they usually just put them in green once they release the rundown?
i dont think they put the green check mark before releasing the rundown
hexed vapor
R3 is already incredibly boring, LFG isn't even very active. It'll be exciting if R4 manages to be a really good rundown, but R3 is going to drag even more if it takes them another month of work.
mossy yoke
There has been a lot of behind the scenes work done on some exciting features for the game, along with work done on various expeditions, just that it's either in progress or done, and they are still being worked on so not marked done yet
turbid cliff
Being worked on is a broad term but considering there's a lot that's not even started yet it appears work is just beginning for most things
craggy flame
They prolly did the groundwork for R4 before they went into vacation. Considering they went on a well earned vacation it makes sense things are pushed back. I think they are now going into overdrive mode and be as fast as possible
turbid cliff
Which in itself would be a problem
craggy flame
Who knows. Some people like to work under pressure 🤷♂️
mossy yoke
Keep in mind, there's stuff being worked on that isn't strictly listed on the roadmap, including one item that will help with the stability of the game for a number of players, the fact they are designing an entire new environment. There's also times where an expedition will be made for an A tier only to realize it fits better in a different tier so is moved around. We'll start getting some #dev-leaks out for you guys as soon as we can (don't want @spice lark to see)
craggy flame
🥳
turbid cliff
Who knows. Some people like to work under pressure 🤷♂️
Actually that's just the kind that won't lift their asses off the couch until it's burning
Not saying anything about gtfo here
silent iron
you could say that or you can say they set high goals and work under pressure the entire way to achieve them
craggy flame
Actually that's just the kind that won't lift their asses off the couch until it's burning
Not saying anything about gtfo here
Well it is not like they have to do an essay. It does involve money and they prolly do have a crude deadline. There is pressure regardless, cause this game does involve more than a good grade 😉 Slight pressure can improve the working performance, but of course I do not know the preferences of all the devs.
glass sundial
I feel like generally speaking, behind the scenes details and mechanics, bug fixing and adding features takes longer than stringing together a bunch of tiles. With the groundwork laid out, I wouldn't expect the level designing to take a crazy amount of time
Making 30 tiles from scratch vs putting them together. One takes a lot more time and dedication
30 being a random figurative number, I'd imagine there's way more than that
turbid cliff
true but i don't go into that because i have no idea how the process goes
hexed vapor
Tbf I thought they'd been working since August 1st, but it looks like the holidays end on the 17th for them, so it's only really been a week.
Still sucks, but it's also not that surprising there's been very little progress on expeditions.
lost linden
It's not because they went on vacation that there was no progress, it just means that there was no progress on their part.
hexed vapor
?
mossy yoke
There has been progress ever since R3 released, during the summer of July and into August there was a slowdown in progress due to vacation, but the devs are working on many tasks at once, some are not directly listed on the roadmap but are nice additions.
hasty abyss
Hybrids weak point is the back, but how many full charged hammer do I need for a sleeping hybrid silent-kill?
devout river
I am pretty sure you need atleast 3 but im not sure about 4
hasty abyss
Thanks, same I thought 🙂
light totem
4 technically to the back. There is a way to do 2 hits
Or one with an IIX syringe
Btw. Weak points are the same for every enemy
atomic escarp
Except for the mother
atomic escarp
Chargers is the same no?
mild sonnet
bruh no head
glass sundial
Back of the head kills chargers in one full charged hammer
mortal granite
back
turbid cliff
point was that chargers don't have a weak spot on head
what's the point of going for occiput
glass sundial
Occiput is still part of their head
turbid cliff
some sort of communication error here
indeed it is
but if there's no head damage mult, you only get back damage anyway
mortal granite
there is no head damage
turbid cliff
therefore occiput is no different than anywhere else
glass sundial
"No head at all" sounds like no head at all
I guess back of the head may receive the back multiplier but not an additional occiput multiplier
I never shoot them unless they're running at me
turbid cliff
that's just head * back, there's no "occiput" mult on top of that
light totem
@glass sundial
There is no head multiplier for chargers
Tho yes. They do get the back multiplier when shot on the back of the head
mortal granite
you can see on your own crosshair and pin point which one is a headshot damage and which one is normal damage
glass sundial
I knew the occiput got the same damage as back + head combined. I was under the impression that it was its own hitbox. Didn't realize that it's actually 2 stacked hitboxes 
Same difference for normal enemies. I guess at the moment the fact that they're not just a unique hitbox is exclusively proven via chargers
turbid cliff
back damage is not hitbox
head damage is same as any other limb, i mean it has a hitbox like the rest of them
fathom marsh
So when can we expect fixes in rundowns?
Chargers glitching through doors, no hitting animations and insta deaths, apparently "surrounded" when theres nothing behind us?
I understand this is EA but come on
fathom marsh
yeah we've tried multiple hosts
turbid cliff
hmm hmm
well some of them sound like they're influenced by the speed changes so should be alleviated next rundown
but overall, while they're constantly working on some fixes, there's a lot to fix so who knows
craggy flame
The problems you explained do seem more like client issues. No hitting animations or enemies glitching through doors are issues clients have to face. That is why people throw out "Host advantage", cause it is a legit thing. Although I really dont know what you mean by "insta deaths" Never experienced something like that.
turbid cliff
i'd assume desync for some seconds so you don't see yourself getting hit, then all the damage comes at once
craggy flame
That could be it.
hexed vapor
@glass sundial It doesn't really make sense to talk about the charger's head hitbox separately from the body since chargers do not have head crits. Otherwise, we would end up talking about arm and leg hitboxes and such on all enemies, but it makes more sense to just refer to these as places you will do "body damage."
Hitting a charger in the head is just a way to do body damage.
pastel ice
Oh reallllllly.
hexed vapor
(also, as Storm mentioned, back damage is going to be based on your position compared to their facing.)
light totem
Player based position hit boxes. It’s really dumb
turbid cliff
it makes sense in the way that it's just not based on hitboxes
i bet actual back hitboxes would bring so much ridiculous shit with them
craggy flame
It would feel better yes. Maybe also works better with latency.
turbid cliff
i can imagine myself hitting back from the front and front from the back all the time with hammer
and the side would just be rngesus
crawlers would become basically irrelevant
light totem
Tru. But they should be
hexed vapor
No charge kills would also become absurdly easy.
light totem
Idk. Doing advanced maneuvers like that would take skill
I already do 180 spins to occiput crawlers so they already are a joke
hexed vapor
I'm more a fan of rewarding positioning over aim on hitboxes.
turbid cliff
🤔
light totem
turbid cliff
with the hammer trajectory, occiput damage would probably be more common than just head damage from the front
light totem
In combat it is a very rare skill to find. Sooo idc
turbid cliff
you don't know that
light totem
What don’t I know this time?
Cause I know D1 solo players that didn’t know of the occiput combat until I taught them how to use it
subtle vault
whats going on
lost linden
Cause I know D1 solo players that didn’t know of the occiput combat until I taught them how to use it
DM Me who I'm intrigued
you don't know that
Well it's easy to see if someone uses it because it's plain simple
light totem
Yep
lost linden
And I can agree actually, I see so little people use this ^^ Especially when the more experienced players stream their gameplay
pastel ice
I love how fat it is when you melee.
You don't even need to look (directly) at them to hit.
If this was fixed and required actual melee aim to hit...
light totem
Well then they have to change the melee arc system
The reason that works is you are in the animation and move thru an enemy
wet beacon
Wait
By combat occiput, are you referring to active rooms and turning after running past them to hit them in the occiput?
wet beacon
Generally meaning combat to go for the occiput
turbid cliff
Wait til hammers become rundown specific
wet beacon
When you melee the occiput, how much charge do you go for?
light totem
None
lost linden
0
wet beacon
Cool, glad to know some people know that you can do that
light totem
Yeah. It’s just a higher skill strategy
So most “experienced” players can’t even do it
turbid cliff
Akchually you go for minimum possible charge but not tap
light totem
Storm. Enough. You very much don’t have to
turbid cliff
It's faster, no reason not to 
light totem
The queue system dum
But I don’t bother with it. Unless I do unconsciously
Idk. I’m a play by feel player. So I might be doing it
But damage wise you do not need any charge
lost linden
I only do it if I feel like I need the speed
light totem
Now that I’m thinking about it I think I do
But idk. I know for sure you don’t need any charge
wet beacon
My only real problem is the way you’ve laid out the idea that irks me.
It’s really nothing special, just a bit impractical in the current rundown. And the reason “most” don’t know about it is because there’s not really a need to.
It won’t make people better at the game, it’s just an interesting thing to do if you want to play risky.
You get the same result either way, with one just being a higher chance of getting hit than another
pastel ice
What I meant is you don't need to look at them in order to hit them unless the weapon is a projectile.
light totem
I use it a ton
wet beacon
I’ve had to rewrite this at least five times out of word usage and feeling like I was coming off too agressive
lost linden
How are you going to kill 4 sleepers next to eachother solo? With that exact method, I use it atleast once per room
light totem
Combat occiput I assume baron
lost linden
I really am going to sleep now >.<
light totem
Cya
craggy flame
Just knowing that you dont need a charge for the occiput helped me in stealth
light totem
Yep
craggy flame
makes it so much less risky
wet beacon
How are you going to kill 4 sleepers next to eachother solo? With that exact method, I use it atleast once per room
Was talking active room wise, otherwise it’s useful
light totem
Yes. It’s just a high skill method
wet beacon
No no, I saw that
light totem
I use it a lot. It’s not an end all strategy but a opportunity based one
light totem
Autocorrect hates me yeah
wet beacon
Yeah, I use it plenty when the room is not active, just active rooms was my point. We were probably thinking on the same idea in different scenarios
light totem
Well yes and no
For sure stealth it is easy and a very effective strategy that is usable in most scenarios
pastel ice
Damn, I was looking for some peeps to 360 noscope all enemies like they were nothing. FaZe needs to get into GTFO.
light totem
Active rooms even some of the best players have issues with it. It’s a strategy based around high risk high reward. Which is my personal playstyle
wet beacon
The only time I would use it in an active room would be if I’m around 20 health. I prefer to hoard resources for doors or when I feel is a time when it’s needed, which is why I usually won’t medi myself until those points.
turbid cliff
Autocorrect is the difference between rubdown and rundown, don't hate on it
wet beacon
I think the reason why I haven’t been seeing it as viable for active is due to how enemies feel this rundown and applying hoards from R2E1
light totem
I honestly think occiput combat kills are easier this R
In R1/2 it was more viable to multi kill
wet beacon
Well, enemy count was much more in those two
light totem
The level I use combat occiput the most is D1 tho
It’s unnecessary in most cases except for that level
wet beacon
I mean, enemy count in R2 is always the highest until another level like E1 exists
light totem
Well, kinda
D1 if you fuck up you will get the same enemy count
The enemy cap is the same for every rundown
wet beacon
Yeah, but in E1 you’re capping it at least twice
light totem
Try 4 at minimum
turbid cliff
Until difficulty settings come and suddenly a1 wave spawns 40 at once
turbid cliff
I highly doubt we'll ever get something that gets scrapped after being used in one expedition
light totem
Ofc
But the real question. That E1 error glitch
Where it accidentally spawned a Surge wave
Surge Errors Confirmed?
wet beacon
Well, technically, if you go with how most did E1, it would be 3 each surge, so at least six because the fog zone was turreted
As in three caps each surge door
wet beacon
Yeah, people messed up the groupings by not sticking together and it would result in at least one fight
wet beacon
Exactly^^
wet beacon
Honestly, I’d be fine with it added again. There would just need to be a choice made on how the game should be played of: stand or run
Because after E1, there was a bit of flux about kiting being overpowered
light totem
Well. R3 shouldn’t work this way
It’s supposed to be like R2
Better level and enemy design will result in the fall of kiting
wet beacon
I’m just waiting for something completely new again for doors
wet beacon
Remember rock climbing in E1? Dropping down to the boxes or whatever
light totem
Yep
wet beacon
Change that and you’d have basically completely changed the strategy for that door
light totem
I had a better spot that only a handful of people have seen
But. Yeah. It would have
I was able to take on 3 shadow giants melee only solo in that spot
*kiting not a cheese spot
wet beacon
Oh, there were plenty of areas in E1 that were messed up
light totem
Ofc
wet beacon
I wonder if it was ready to be shipped or not with all of it being that way
light totem
Yeah. Tho it only played how it was designed while solo
Except error extract. That was a very squad heavy area
wet beacon
Yeah, that part felt kinda painful. But it was so satisfying when completed
I was actually happy to see the return of error in C1
light totem
Yeah. For sure
wet beacon
I thought it was cool
wet beacon
Yeah, from the start ones I’m kinda meh on too
light totem
I just dislike forcing playstyles in levels. I want freedom of choice
I do agree with how E1 forced playstyles. But it perfectly fit mine so I did t care
wet beacon
Haha, it didn’t fit mine but I’m pretty flexible on how I play, so I just conformed to what was needed to complete the damn thing
light totem
Fair
wet beacon
Though it was great for scout practice
Then again, R2C1 was scout heaven before the one change
wet beacon
R1C2 had some pretty good enemy introduction
light totem
Yeah
That was a great level. So was R2C1
I don’t mind the nerf too much only because of how good it was regardless
wet beacon
My only problem was with shadow spawns on it. Was a bit irritating with biotracker scans. But still very doable
light totem
Wdym bio scans
Bio was OP for that. (I mean ofc it was)
Idk. I am one of the best bio users so my teams had 0 issues
wet beacon
The one uplink after the alarm door with shadows and before the blood doors to the fog zones
light totem
Mhmm. I liked that one
But the W? Side in the dark zone and the spitter heavy rooms were really fun too
wet beacon
I had some pretty meh teammates who would scan right away and not wait for a few to spawn then scan to clear out more of a group
hexed vapor
This is why you gotto be big balls and not care about bio.
light totem
Anyways
wet beacon
Haha, the truth from Ray
light totem
There was just no reason not to
wet beacon
Just charge in and hammer anything that you can’t see
light totem
It maximizes team awareness and a solo kite strategy tool
Also yes
Exactly what I did. As bio main
wet beacon
With shadows, the few times I went bio, I would try calling out where they were.
wet beacon
So like, after a scan, any that were unscanned running at someone, I would tell them to fire in a line the way they were facing
Worked for the most part
light totem
Ofc. Waste of ammo but it does
wet beacon
I mean, 8 second timer is an 8 second timer. That or have them hammer it, works either way
light totem
Yeah. The thing with bio is knowing the map and exactly how enemy ai works
Knowing those makes any decent bio player instantly way better
wet beacon
Definitely, anyway, I gotta go for a while. Thanks for the chat
light totem
Cool. Cya
fathom marsh
Does the R3D1 starting alarm actually stop pls help
wet zealot
Do 1st scan find key, go through blood door, do 2nd scan. Bring baby to fog room and place baby in the dna thingy. Alarm stops
fathom marsh
Thank you!
wet zealot
Its 30 seconds by 15. Small wave + 1 giant
fathom marsh
How do you mean?
wet zealot
Wave spawns around 30 secs and a giant spawns shortly after
5 melee. Occasionally you get 6 because a shooter spawns with them here and there
So you CAN hammer the wave and then take your time finding resources and setting things up to prepare
Take your time really and talk with your team. You'll get through it fine
fathom marsh
we're just struggling with getting surrounded from either side when trying to navigate in the dark rooms, as the spawns occur all around us and on top of
fathom marsh
yeah makes sense
wet zealot
No because wave spawns are fixed once you open the 1st scan door
I'm in the stream listening so
Thats me yes
If wave spawns ahead send 1 in to support
but 2 people outside can search for resource and defend
devout river
Shoot the red tumor/ bubble things on her body
You do very little damage shooting anywhere other than the red things
Also its good to have high powered weapons like the pump shotgun or the sniper
sullen sigil
Cs works fine
Foam her up then instantly start pumping her with lead
Save cnades if you can or bring cfoam
light totem
^^
livid stone
now do it solo!
cyan kiln
now try beating D1 >:D
devout river
no
fossil knoll
damn when we finally put the neonate in the nframe in D1 for the first time and then my friend goes down the stairs to get supplies and we hear a roar 😔
pliant shard
frail oxide
whats the mother?
devout river
Enemy in B2 and D1
frail oxide
oh no
devout river
Also Boss version at end of D1
frail oxide
d
devout river
sPOILER
devout river
Wait its spoiler chat
rocky fable
|| there is a mother at the end of d1 ||
devout river
Yes
light totem
yes
pliant shard
yes.
calm vessel
tawdry wyvern
curious about rundown 3, what is the hardest stage in your opinions
knotty sphinx
D1
fossil knoll
D1 because of inconsistent spawns, desyncs, and bugs that can totally decimate your run, but I mean it is still a hard level even if the bugs weren't apparent
hexed vapor
R4D3 is a trip, for sure.
mossy yoke
Can I answer?
subtle vault
sure
granite sail
I think E12 is the hardest
cinder imp
tfw no e tier for r4 on the roadmap
mossy yoke
You don't want an e tier
cinder imp
that's like your opinion man
mossy yoke
Trust me when you get to D tier
devout river
Does that mean R4 is gonna be hard?
mortal granite
well
cinder imp
I'm looking forwards towards it 
mortal granite
R2D1 was a little harder than it look
should have made it R2E1
and then the other R2E2
mossy yoke
You tell me after you get your hands on it
cinder imp
r2f1 is e1 but forced solo and without the machinegun
wet zealot
Just hammer everything while dueling 5 shadow giants ez
cinder imp
all primaries are just different scope attachments on the DMR
mortal granite
R2G1 are just level with no hammer
cinder imp
laughs in mallet
mortal granite
you have to slap the sleeper to death
cinder imp
which is easier, only hammer or no hammer?
wet zealot
Fists only
mortal granite
no hammer
wet zealot
Passive GTFO playthrough
devout river
I dont think D will be harder than E
hexed vapor
I mean, R3D1 was also hyped up until people played it enough that it wasn't that hard anymore.
I don't doubt the R4 D tier will pose a significant challenge for first time completions, but I'm skeptical that it will compare to the E tier.
devout river
It cant be as hard
Well it can but I would find it weird
Just add an E tier if you find a D tier level hard enough to be E tier
calm vessel
was d1 hyped 
devout river
I did not see it hyped
I was not able to before the good players that were able to beat it day one started calling it easy and bad
mossy yoke
There's a lot of people who haven't completed d tier
atomic escarp
Yet
mossy yoke
You're all just a vocal minority who find it easy after playing the game so much
devout river
I dont find it easy
I am still bad
I just heard it was easy a lot on the first few days
mossy yoke
For the hardcore player's I doubt anything other than an f or g will be easy
light totem
E is borderline, but ^
mossy yoke
And that's not to say we should cater to the bad players who find an a tier hard, just that those who've 500+ hours will find most stuff easy
atomic escarp
Like those who find C tier challenging?
devout river
what
atomic escarp
Hmm
light totem
Hmm
hexed vapor
Yah, but you're hyping it to #gtfo-chat, which is like 75% people who don't struggle with the D tier.
light totem
hm
devout river
mh
granite sail
i vote we have an alphabet rundown
except the only letter is J
and its just 100 scouts
light totem
mhmm
atomic escarp
In one room?
light totem
yes
subtle dagger
r4b2 100 scouts instead of 4
nocturne flax
R4D1 hype
subtle dagger
R4F1 hype
hexed vapor
?
nocturne flax
after you open the error alarm?
hexed vapor
HSU can be in 17 or 20
edgy wolf
R4Z7 hype
indigo lantern
G tier when
hexed vapor
I'm not even sure what they would do for a G tier.
5 hour stealth and alarm marathon?
mossy yoke
500 enemies in a single room, no ammo packs, no healing, no tool. good luck.
craggy flame
I think the FPS is the one who will suffer the most in G tier then xD
mighty pond
500 enemies in a single room, no ammo packs, no healing, no tool. good luck.
Sounds like a job for Mr. Hammer
atomic escarp
I like those odds
atomic escarp
F
mossy yoke
we'll remove the C tier for R4 so that your team doesn't get stuck on it
devout river
That was like my curse of B2
obtuse surge
you just don't want C tier to be our favourite anymore doc
sullen sigil
Aw thanks doc ❤️
granite sail
c = best tier
devout river
what tier has been the best tier
Taking all of the levels that have been in that tier throughout the rundowns
light totem
E best tier
devout river
No
devout river
Well you have to look at it from all angles
For a hardcore player E may be the best
But what about the casuals
nocturne flax
difficulty wise E,D tier (execpt r2d1) fun factor (b,c)
vale pecan
id say thats somewhat accurate
though the fun usually lies in the C tier, sometimes in B
nocturne flax
r2b2 was a lot of fun
nocturne flax
b1 was a hectic as hell..................IT WAS A FUN
devout river
I only did the 7 scan alarm I think
light totem
F. Still was fun
devout river
I feel like it was a big difficulty leap from R2A1 to R2B1 from a beginners standpoint
nocturne flax
yep
light totem
Hmm. Idk I had no prob duo ing it when I was sub 20 hrs
nocturne flax
yeah we get it your SpEc1al
devout river
I did it trio when I was also pretty bad thats cause of the nerf
light totem
Yeah
nocturne flax
but for the mayority of the people who got in on b1 was quite the jump
devout river
I tried it a few times pre-nerf with four people and it was harder then post-nerf with 3
light totem
Oh for sure was a jump. But worth it
nocturne flax
people barely got around that first alarms (2/3 sequence) on A1 and the suddenly a fucking 9 sequence lmao
devout river
But then again I think the second level being hard was a good hint of the difficulty of R2
light totem
Yeah
hexed vapor
B1 was the only B tier I wiped first try for on the B tier.
It was definitely harder than the rest of the B tier, but also not too difficult once you knew what was going on.
The combat in the game is harder to get good at for most players, though.
silver flare
we'll remove the C tier for R4 so that your team doesn't get stuck on it
@mossy yoke its "A B D" TIRE ?? FOR R4 ? when count down starts ?>
mossy yoke
that was a joke
calm vessel
hexed vapor
Tbh I wonder if a "skip" mechanic would be good for the game.
Players can skip up to one expedition at a time to progress, so if they get stuck on A3 or something then can play the B tier, but if they get stuck on B2 or something then they have to complete either A3 or B2.
Would at least make it more difficult for newbies to get stuck on one thing they happen to be really bad at so that they can taste the harder content.
light totem
how would they be expected to beat the later levels
they get stuck early and dont have the skill to progress in later levels it would be useless
mossy yoke
yeah if they can't beat the earlier tiers skipping won't help them at all, would probably make them more frustrated
light totem
^
nocturne flax
he trigger the warden door before we even set up and i was looting 389
ABSOLUTLY no skip mechanic pls
hexed vapor
Lmfao
quiet hound
Atm it's forgiving enough to let you do all expeditions on a particular level
nocturne flax
somehow we still won that match'
also wanna know what was his excuse?.......... he played r2
devout river
how far in r2 tho
light totem
hm
atomic escarp
5 days before R3 came out ||got em||
hexed vapor
The idea is more to let groups where they are hosting (so the progression actually matters) taste more difficult expeditions so that they can see what happens on lower tiers. It would also presumably reassure them that they're not good enough to play those tiers.
nocturne flax
he probably didnt even finish a1 because if he manage to get to b1 atleast you'll know not to open a warden door when your teammates are 100m away
light totem
tbh tho, if you got thru C tier in R2 you wouldnt have a problem in R3
glass sundial
I don't think any skip feature is necessary. You can always just have someone who has the missions unlocked host if you're really that impatient to see the harder levels. Even then, especially for new players, I'd recommend struggling through the early missions to get a better feel for the game before taking on things like shadows and chargers 
prime valve
Plus it would make no-sense with the background story, expecially if we refer to the current Rundown where every single expedition is the cause of the next one.
hexed vapor
I mostly suggest it because I get the sense that people who are getting stuck on R2B1, R3A3, etc. are more likely to quit the game than continue attempting those expeditions.
light totem
if they get stuck on those, there is no way they can do later levels
pastel ice
Then I guess they'll have to quit playing the game.
Which then also means a drop in what's left of the playerbase due to frustrations on a map for whatever reason, in the end they lose interest and will drop the game and play something a bit more fair and/or enjoyable.
Maybe they'll come back but they probably won't.
Reminds me of Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice , that's been sitting in my steam games list for quite awhile. Pretty frustrating game right there. And to most, dying 300 times till you finally beat just 1 boss is not really enjoyable in the least.
nocturne flax
I mean if you go into a hard game expecting to be easy then your kind of a fool
most of the people dont even try to learn some of the mechanics of the game
light totem
^
nocturne flax
and even then a lot of them play with friends so they play casually too
not a lot of them play here on the official server
public matches i mean
keen rampart
Yeah @nocturne flax is right... many of the german streamer i helped didnt use the official discord. There are people that wants to learn the mechanics, but most people not.
austere dagger
is there any one that is having mobs literally spawning on top of u in d1? this has never happened in any of the other maps is this intended?
atomic escarp
Yea that happens only in D1 because there aren't too many places for the sleepers to spawn far enough
unborn osprey
@austere dagger Yeah this is so stupid. I will literally get a Big Boy spawn on me and whirlwind my hp to 0
light totem
its really only present until after you open that first scan door
that first zone is split into 3 rooms A/B, C, and D. Meaning bugged spawns
devout river
I think you can just try to avoid having people in all available rooms?
Because enemies are programmed to spawn two rooms away from you but if you have people taking up all of the available rooms for them to spawn in they can spawn on top of you
light totem
well yes, but it can still happen with everyone in one room
fossil knoll
my team usually keeps it so that at most we are one room apart from each other. the spawning bug is annoying but as long as you aren't spread out too much you should be fine. always watch corners though, expect giants around every corner cause they like to jump people
rocky fable
in the audio lore terminal thing
the guy says the corp controls everything
santonian inustries
so
yeah
thats important
probably
hexed vapor
I'm hyped for z1 specifically because it'll shit on people for not putting at least E_ in their zone filters.
subtle vault
The z1 is place holder
sullen sigil
C1 is the only time you need to do that
hexed vapor
Is it, though?
subtle vault
That's what ludvig said
sullen sigil
Other times you can just tell
hexed vapor
Damnit
subtle vault
Or it's a trick
hexed vapor
I want someone to do "LIST RES 1" and get 5 extra items.
subtle vault
Lol
sullen sigil
Look. It’s a 1/1000 chance that a res is in the zone of its name
subtle vault
Z10000
subtle vault
Shadow scouts
sullen sigil
999/1000 ^ 20. That’s the chance if there are 20 resource packs and none of them have the same name as the zone. 0.9801/1. It’s a 2 percent chance for a run with 20 packs to have at least one duplicate
That’s not enough to convince me Ray
light totem
F
sullen sigil
😎
hexed vapor
Smh
I'll be doing full zone filters till 1k when it literally can't happen.
Inb4 they extend item IDs
full canopy
if they get stuck on those, there is no way they can do later levels
@light totem well I am still stuck on R3A3 (generator thingy) and its really frustrating. I just don't see a way to clear the rundown, even with two fully experienced players in our squad carrying us. We couldn't complete it in any way.
devout river
Well yeah if you cant do A3 you definitely cannot do the later levels
full canopy
._.
devout river
What
atomic escarp
What's holding you guys back from completing A3?
full canopy
We got to the final stage, but got wiped out due to our ammo and stuff. we had a lot of attempts and improved the use of those, but still never managed to complete the last stage of the reactor.
atomic escarp
Where were you guys holding?
The catwalk before the reactor room?
Cause that's what seems to be the optimal place to hold out
All 4 people on either left or right of the stairs
full canopy
we had the catwalk room and placed about 3 turrets on the walks, since the monsters dont target mid if everyone is upstairs. the last guy sprayed foam on the entrance. we did that until the last stage and never really wasted ammo.
shotgun turrets btw
atomic escarp
You don't need 3 sentries tbh
2 is good
So you can use mines to take out giants and hybrids, or at least weaken them before they reach you
And foam isn't good for the wave spawns rather, its better to refrain from using any foam at all for waves
You only really need foam on the alarm door
Since if all doors are closed in the zone when you're about to start the alarm the sleepers will only come through the bottom door
So you can re-apply foam on that door
full canopy
wow thank you, I'll try that out with my friends.
atomic escarp
Also you can not use sentries for the first 2 waves
Just to save more tools for later waves
full canopy
we just used them up like idiots :,D thank you
hexed vapor
Shotgun sentries are a bad choice for the catwalks
their damage dropoff can get pretty bad very easily, while burst sentry is fairly consistent for mid-range.
broken charm
if you still need help i'm willing to help you a little bit @full canopy
sullen sigil
@hexed vapor then the problem would be that C1 would become much harder at the error alarm part. Chargers in groups larger than what usually spawns in the error alarm are extremely difficult to contain. One breaking through does a lot of damage.. but hey I only do 3 man expeditions so I have some bias
I'm responding to your suggestion*
sullen sigil
oop
light totem
but as I said, different error types
hexed vapor
For one, I don't think fighting a fair amount of chargers is actually that hard. You just need to be on top of staggering them and keeping up fire on the ones most poised to deal damage.
Then, that alarm needn't be different.
hexed vapor
They feel a bit more tasteful than hybrids, though.
They're still fairly easy to kill with the high damage weapons.
turbid cliff
Kek hybrids
turbid cliff
Not the best attempt at making a big shooter we can't melee
light totem
hu
turbid cliff
They're still bullied, but they can punish walls and straight runners
So better than big shooters
light totem
who doesnt melee hybrids
sullen sigil
Can't melee them once awake (chargers)
light totem
its hard ye
granite sail
thats true
light totem
but not bad with practice
sullen sigil
agreed
hexed vapor
If there's more than one there's also a very high chance you'll just get tongued by one if there's a group.
sullen sigil
but thats what makes it hard
hexed vapor
I don't mind their high damage, tbh.
turbid cliff
And while chargers are easily taken out with weapons still, i really don't like fighting against them in alarms. It's just straight unloading half or more clip anywhere on the body, lack of crit spots makes them meh as a target
light totem
idk, practice on wave cap C1
light totem
it gets decently easy, ofc you will take hits but...
turbid cliff
Actually gives a fun idea if chargers couldn't tongue with head lost. Gives a reason to aim, and apparently solve a problematic attack
light totem
idk, i feel thats too much of a nerf
turbid cliff
Though an enemy that does nothing but melee could turn out to be more than a slight pain
sullen sigil
Also it's an enemy type that favors ps instead of cs
light totem
but a slight nerf to damage and range i wont disagree with
sullen sigil
^
turbid cliff
Meleeonly enemy would still be real problematic I'd say, especially with the way we're used to fight in this game
It's like the strikers that run straight through you but this time it's not a bug
sullen sigil
It would become the prime target, as it forbids kiting
By that I mean running through enemy kiting
turbid cliff
Besides, since there's no head crit, head is not that easy to shoot off
Never tested head hp on them but it's probably 30 when total is 60
That's a lot of damage for primaries to deal on one limb
atomic escarp
Then, that alarm needn't be different.
@hexed vapor What alarm?
hexed vapor
17/20
light totem
but the word that
atomic escarp
On which map? I am confused lol
light totem
idk, im prob just dum
sullen sigil
Can you trigger both?
pliant shard
yes
sullen sigil
yikes
pliant shard
only really beneficial if you wanna do a full map clear
devout river
The error alarms stack right?
pliant shard
yup
devout river
Well then you could do it for extra challenge if you wanted
candid dragon
so, fog right, we call it fog.
even infection fog
but is it really even fog
i think its dust.
vagrant fractal
The sleepers hang out in the fog a lot
I wonder if they’re even related though
There are turbines and fog repellers specifically to get rid of the fog which were presumably there long before any sleepers
And the infection doesn’t seem like it turns people into sleepers, in game at least it basically just chokes you and makes you sickly and weak
ebon slate
Oh boy i haven't played this game since beating D1 like 2 weeks after I got to it, can't wait to jump back in when the new rundown comes out and be rusty as all shit
turbid cliff
that's what the easier tiers are for
calm vessel
Or you can just beat d1 multiple times
wet zealot
Just go for 100 D1 completes
steel urchin
hidden flax
78
quiet breach
R3D1 Respawn monters working correctly? Because they appear right in front of your face
queen nymph
Haven't seen that for a while. Don't open 89/90 until you hear the constant wave is spawned. It should fix that problem a bit.
timber goblet
@quiet breach It is because they attempt to spawn 2 rooms away from you but at the beginning of the level there are not many valid spawn locations so (especially when your team is spread out) the game will spawn them anywhere often on top of you. It is less a coding bug but rather a poor level design for the code they went with.
glacial crescent
Talking about datamined information etc. isn't allowed on the server.
timber goblet
Does that ruin the experience for anyone? For example for any minecraft player, it is common knowledge that zombies and skeletons have 20hp while an endermen have 40 but that is never explicitly stated in the game yet that is the ort of information that helps communities grow and develop strategies. I am willing to respect the wishes of 10 Chaimbers if keeping knowledge vague during the developmental stages of their intention but when looking into it, I have not seen any official statements on the matter on any of their platforms.
glacial crescent
Just trying to avoid ya getting in trouble by mods for the subject
subtle vault
?
timber goblet
Well I appreciate the heads up. I just am super into those nerd stats lol
light totem
There are tested numbers that are almost exact somewhere
feral token
Yeah as verm said, its against the rules to talk about mods or datamining for the game, rule 11 to be exact :)
timber goblet
My mistake. Feel dumb that of all places, I didn't refer to the server itself smh
feral token
Its cool, just keep it in mind for the future
unkempt wedge
well its good that the whole "wave always spawn 2 rooms away" has been VERY common knowledge among experienced players for a very long time. not sure what all the trouble here is about
and technically he only mentioned its at the beginning of the level, which we can assume by that he means the first few rooms before you pop open any security door. logically, there isnt any other room for enemies to spawn since the entire team spreads out and enters damn near every "available" room for monsters to spawn in all at once
imo that info is something that you can figure out without touching a single file in-game, so to consider that sharing of datamined information, is a bit trivial, don't you think?
hollow matrix
yeah knowing that a burst rifle takes 5 shots to kill could be datamined but could also be found through experimentation, just like 2-room spawns so i dont think theres any issue discussing 2-room spawns
they could be datamined, they could be found organically
mossy yoke
@unkempt wedge I think you are thinking they are referring to Steele's comment as datamined discussion which is incorrect. There was another message that was removed.
hollow matrix
oh ok
unkempt wedge
ah. didn't know there was more to it. makes sense
mortal granite
2 room away thing you can test it out with mines
mossy yoke
@radiant glacier Sorry to hear about that negative experience. Can you send details to our @jaunty hedge bot and we'll look into it. I deleted the message just so it doesn't cause the behavior to spread unintentionally.
radiant glacier
ill do so, thank you for clearing up why it was deleted 👍
mossy yoke
glacial crescent
🤔 Spoiler
granite sail
uh
atomic escarp
New filter confirmed?