No he means changing weapons while shooting with the carbine to make it shoot less than 4 bullets
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
atomic escarp
desert shell
Summary, both bullpup and carbine use a large amount of ammo to kill one enemy if you are not landing headshot, that's both of them
atomic escarp
Spray and pray with smg is more forgiving on ammo reserves
Bullpup is fun until you need to reload
turbid cliff
excuse you i don't know what non-shit graphics look like in this game and i like semi-autos
just don't use them seriously rn cuz bugs
atomic escarp
I've been using smg sniper alot but I'm trying to use DMR shotty (both types) since I've heard it's good when your aim is good
desert shell
every gun is great, now let's talk about other things
DMR isn't shit at all
You have good aim you can run DMR
atomic escarp
Hybrid sounds need to be replaced or be louder IMO
desert shell
Dem pineapple heads
atomic escarp
They need to speak up or I'll call the regional manager of the Santonian Industries
turbid cliff
i don't like dmr cuz hipfire
if you want a twoshot weapon i'd recommend rifle for now
desert shell
Just end the weapons topic please...
atomic escarp
I like the rifle but it sounds really quiet when firing it
obtuse surge
combat shotgun combat shotgun combat shotgun
desert shell
Pew Pew
They need to speak up or I'll call the regional manager of the Santonian Industries
Hackett
desert shell
MG MG MG
atomic escarp
MG MG MG
turbid cliff
i've actually been trying to clear expeditions with specific primaries now
and i did notice that damage falloff on pistol is horrible
like what the shit
turbid cliff
shooters
strikers it leaves them with .4(?)hp
but at the range shooters attack it's already 3 hs instead of 2
like bruh
desert shell
Low end PC gang rise up
atomic escarp
Aough
obtuse surge
👀
don't know about that
but i know they teleport no matter what
and they'll teleport more when you're client with bad latency
obtuse surge
would imagine so
glass sundial
They teleport for me in solo play too
obtuse surge
i haven't had it happen with strikers that aren't crawling unless it's lag from latency
it's more frequent on ramps and stairs but it doesn't only happen in that situation
turbid cliff
i don't remember it happening on a straight hallway
it's also always when they switch animations to attack
i've also seen crawlers stand up sometimes
if the crawler is the exact same model and just uses different animations, the jumps might make sense, say their pivot is in the wrong place
tawdry fable
for low end PC gang that's a nightmare
@desert shell yes
bitter fog
T posing crawlers
cinder imp
Just end the weapons topic please...
kk let's go back to how the bio is good, and if you think otherwise you have a low understanding of the game
light totem
Bio>everything except maybe mines
devout river
I do not think it is bad but I do not bring it very often
nocturne flax
I T S...... A......T O O L
cinder imp
It does look like a machinegun
nocturne flax
machinegun 💔
glass sundial
They're good at different things
R1 was better for pure killing potential and damage at all ranges. R2 was better for pure crowd control without sacrificing too much killing potential
cinder imp
R2 MG was good for every situation, that's hard to beat
I still prefered to have a shotty for hectic parts, but mg was objectively better
glass sundial
Yes. Objectively. Sorry to those who continue to think otherwise but it's just uncontested. There's a reason it's the go-to for E1 speedruns. Like 1 shotgun for quicker giant clearing and instagibbing scouts, but otherwise all MGs
If an MG makes a comeback it needs to have like 25% less ammo stock capacity to balance the fact that it's automatically efficient due to the nature of being a full auto weapon
Such versatility and effectiveness should come at some cost yet it even had the brightest flashlight, albeit blindingly bright lol
turbid cliff
The charge up, recoil and blindness were the offsets
In order, supposedly limiting effectiveness for reflex shooting, ammo efficiency and aiming in general
And honestly the chargeup was probably the deal breaker for me
glass sundial
Once you become accustomed to the charge up it no longer inhibits you. Also due to the attack wind up bug not being present, you typically had enough time to stun enemies anyway despite the charge up. Recoil control is a thing in every game. You just get used to it. The blindness is understandable but eventually you start not noticing that anymore either
I know before I even got to C tier I was already used to the draw backs the weapon had. At which point they're no longer really even draw backs. The charge up is the only thing that takes extended practice getting used to. Once you are able to consistently time single shots you were all set. Although unless clearing a surge alarm or shooting a giant, it was better to fire in bursts of 3-10 bullets
That would allow you to reestablish vision, reset recoil, and if you started charging right away you'd have nearly no downtime
You could stagger shadow giants at long range without having to sacrifice crowd control. Sniper/revolver don't handle hordes well, shotguns were almost useless against shadow giants. MG let you play safe without any compromises
Also in stealth it had the best flashlight sleeper sync 
so good
turbid cliff
man that's a lot of text
well i say you're right on most of this but what can i say for myself
as a trade-off for its objective superiority it was a really unfun weapon for me to use so i just didn't
oh well
glass sundial
Fair enough. Not every weapon is for every player
Doesn't matter how good or bad weapons are in the end, bar E-tier. Use whatever you want. I personally prefer the mallet over other guns
pastel ice
Tbh, I just removed all chargeups. Got annoying after awhile, seems like this game likes chargeup weapons.
turbid cliff
i personally prefer people that don't shoot 5 dmr shots at one sleeper 
basically my point is, the feel of the weapon is just as (if not more) important than its on-paper stats
queen nymph
I mean, it's rundown specific so it's gonna delete soon : /
turbid cliff
MG is already gone 
queen nymph
I'm talking about HEL
glass sundial
Not too fond of the charge up mechanic myself. But some of the charge up weapons would be a bit busted without it
I'd prefer more of a weapon overheating thing, so basically remove the chargeup and the weapon has a cooldown after shots instead
I'd take a longer delay between shots over awkward charging any day
turbid cliff
that's more a solution for a different problem than an alternative
atomic escarp
It's an alternative problem I think
glass sundial
idk, the awkward charge up on the HEL rifle specifically really kills the enjoyment of the weapon for me
It just feels clunky
glass sundial
I feel like if it has a chargeup, it should not have a cooldown between shots
Having both feels like clunk
The HEL gun is fine because there's not a cooldown
You just rapid fire charged up shots
wicked flume
yo, my group is stuck on area 3 with the reactors, how do we beat it?
rancid basalt
You mean a3?
wicked flume
yeah, we got to the alarm door but were so low on health and ammo XD, tips for conserving ammo during the waves?
rancid basalt
Rifle is ammo efficient and has no dropoff so you can kill them at long range
2 rifles makes for a pretty easy time clearing waves and you can save sentries for the door
atomic escarp
Manage your tools better and try your best to not get hit or overrun
rancid basalt
Yeah don't put all of your sentries out at once
wicked flume
we've been trying to stagger them, only using one at a time
rancid basalt
What secondaries are you using?
wicked flume
we've tried running all turrets once, this last run we had 2 turrets, 1 mine, 1 foam
light totem
I would take a carbine as it gives great stun power and good headshot kill potential
atomic escarp
2 sentries 1 foam and 1 mine is most optimal IMO
wicked flume
it's the little naruto runners keep swarming us
atomic escarp
Are you guys always using ads when they're still pretty far
light totem
And a hel gun does well too
atomic escarp
^
wicked flume
we've been staying in the main reactor room and trapping the door
should we go farther in?
rancid basalt
Yes
rancid basalt
The have to go up the stairs to hit you and they all run in the front
Super choke pointy
Taking advantage of choke points is one of the most important things to do in this game, especially when you don't have literal god status skill
atomic escarp
Ok my self esteem took a hit from that statement
wicked flume
from what? 😅
atomic escarp
Taking advantage of choke points is one of the most important things to do in this game, especially when you don't have literal god status skill
wicked flume
oh i see lol
rancid basalt
I mean we can't all be plant, lol
wicked flume
we're all fairly new to the game anyway so any tips help lol
alright, we're trying again, wish us luck!
rancid basalt
good luck
rancid basalt
Yeah, that's very necessary later
wicked flume
best way to kill the spaghetti man?
atomic escarp
HAMMER
rancid basalt
Screaming eagle
atomic escarp
Full charge to the head
Dead center since you might hit somewhere else like the neck or the chest
Learn how it paths helps kill it since once you get better gauging how it paths helps killing it easier
You can sprint towards the scout to force it's feelers out
high forge
you can even run trough the feelers and kill it before it starts screaming
but that's after you kill it without getting inside the feeler :p
rancid basalt
light totem
Kinda, you cannot run through the longest tentacles, but if you can get about a meter past them then you will get the kill every time
vagrant fractal
trying to strategize for a clear start to D1
any advice? This is what i have so far
oh uh
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obtuse surge
put mines facing the c foamed door when you're doing the blood door
closing and mining a door when looking for key can be a very good idea depending on whatever is chasing you
could potentially save you a lot of ammo
mortal granite
the level have a lot of resources
but you only need a 5 uses tool + ammo and you're good to go for the entire alarm sequence if you know how to save ammo and tool
note that the mine only kill 5 per mine (tested)
gloomy flame
if that's the case, Alpha, if you put two mines in the same spot right behind a door, and a horde charges through together, could it kill 10 enemies total?
would be useful to know for the first alarm on D1
I know you probably haven't tested it yet, just bringing up the question just in case someone has tested it or is willing to test it
mortal granite
ye
you need to place them correctly in order to NOT trigger butterfly effect and explode all of them at the same time
mines go Boom same time = bad
mines go boom but with a delay = good
gloomy flame
interesting
thing is, if there's a delay
they aren't grouped anymore
so not as many kills per mine
mortal granite
you can group them
gloomy flame
without a door?
mortal granite
but there is 2 type of it
you need door
without one
you could waste mines because of a corpse
just fly into the mine
0 kill is the worst thing happen to mine deployer player
gloomy flame
so the corpse's do set off mines, you've tested that? I always thought it was just the other explosion setting off the mine
mortal granite
yes
a corpse go sky rocket
and fly through 3 mines
trigger all of them
0 kills and wasted 30% tool
i'm always skeptical to putting mines in the hallway
gloomy flame
I mainly use mines on doors, so that isn't a thing I've had to test, but good to know
mortal granite
another thing tho
if you place mine on the ceiling of a door or something
you can kill giant with 2 mines
instead of 3
apparently, placing mine on top of a ceiling count as "back damage"
so extra damage dealt to the giant
hard to hit tho
light totem
I can attest, mines trigger from corpses
gloomy flame
you tested it, or just saw it happen in-game some times?
light totem
And they don’t do back multipliers but they do headshot damage
Both
A3 is an easy map to test it with
gloomy flame
how would you know the difference between the mine doing back damage or headshot damage?
light totem
I personally haven’t tested it but I think it was Zaero that did
Being a mine main you kinda just figure it out
gloomy flame
maybe because the head explodes, so you know the head took the damage?
light totem
Possible that it is part of the head destruction bug
gloomy flame
well, then why are you saying you know for sure the mines above do headshot damage instead of back damage?
is it a guess you're making, or you know it?
just clarifying
light totem
I’ve never heard of the above placement. But there were some spots that will trigger only on an sleepers back because of the animation. But take the same damage regardless
Usually around a corner, where a frontal/side mine will do the same
gloomy flame
so then you were guessing, either way, hard to tell
and doesn't make a large difference
but interesting information
glass sundial
You'd typically have to convince the giant to walk backwards via aggro juggling, or suicide bomb to hit them. Or make them do awkward pathing. Pretty sure they do have an occuput multiplier though
If I ever work a normal shift instead of ridiculous hours I might have the energy to test it
Place a mine facing forward at giant occiput height and position yourself so they'll walk into it
So they'll face you and get hit in the back of the head
gloomy flame
A consistently reliable way to use two mines to kill a giant instead of three would be useful for expeditions where giants come alongside smaller enemies during alarms
glass sundial
To test if it's different from back damage, count pistol shots or something
gloomy flame
don't need to test if it's a certain type of multiplier really
only useful thing you need to test is a consistent way to two-mine kill giants
light totem
I remember someone I play consistently with tested the back multiplier. Can’t remember who off hand
glass sundial
Well if the occiput leaves them at 5 smg shots, I mean
glass sundial
Yeah they are
mortal granite
if you place mine that doesn't hit her tumor
it's a waste
while we tested it with putting mines on the ceiling
glass sundial
Was playing D1 with randoms yesterday and dropped a 6 kill mine during an alarm 
mortal granite
she die with 7 - 8 mines
glass sundial
not on a door, on a wall
It was so satisfying
I wish they'd make it so you can place mines faster and sprint afterward
I would absolutely demolish alarm waves while kiting
glass sundial
Lmao
Fair
At least the sprint after placements
You can do it with trip mines
It would be nice to just tap E and drop a sentry
mortal granite
i'm just doing suicide bomb behind cover
light totem
^
light totem
I hate the no sprint time after it just feels so awkward
light totem
Well then you should be able to sprint instead of reloading it like any gun
glass sundial
^
Can you imagine if every time you shot the pump shotgun you were forced to pull the pump and can't do anything but walk until you finish the pump? 
mortal granite
well
if they fix the reload thing for pump
i would say almost no one gonna play pump shotgun
pump 1 shot - reload 1 pellet - pump 1 - reload
that will make them play combat shotgun instead
turbid cliff
About the mine thing, I've tried to get back damage on mines and nothing did it
You can get headshots with it however visually their head doesn't necessarily get blown off, makes no sense
In ff numbers normal mine did ~100 damage and headshot ~150
If occiput was possible it'd oneshot giants
light totem
i am currently testing it, seem to actually have back damage
2 to the back and 3 to the front
i want to solidify my results first though
going to test with 1 mine then pistol shots as well
turbid cliff
Don't trust your placement and visuals
1 mine and shoot to finish off
If it turns to around 150 it's just a headshot
light totem
so, it looks like there is actually not after pistol testing, but still want to solidify
its very inconsistent because of mine damage drop off
atomic escarp
@lapis echo Kindly use the LFG channels please
You'll have more success finding other players there
Bro
Check #lfg-beginners
If you're new to the game in general
turbid cliff
The range with no drop-off is pretty damn big so i don't know where you get that 'incosistency' from
pastel ice
@turbid cliff would you like for me look at it later?
turbid cliff
it'd be nice to find some consistency or conclusion
i tried all kinds of things to get back damage but couldn't
and headshots aren't consistent either
pastel ice
Are you letting mobs trigger them?
turbid cliff
tried both ways
desert shell
I fell of the map today
desert shell
ye
light totem
idk why it would be inconsistent either, one mine then it would vary between 14-24 pistol front chest hits
the same level of varying both after a mine to the front or back
turbid cliff
that's not thanks to falloff damage from the mine
that's the headshot
mine base damage is right on 100 iirc
turbid cliff
headshots themselves might be unintended
light totem
possibly yeah
hexed vapor
Has anyone had a bug where stagger seemingly stops happening altogether?
I think I've had it occur twice, for seemingly no reason, and only realized after restarting my game.
Really obvious stuff, like decaping an enemy and they just keep moving.
subtle vault
ya that happens to me some times
light totem
yes
mortal granite
idk about the EVERY Rundown
cause i don't get those in R1 or R2
just because i don't kill thing when there is an alarm
light totem
it did, as a 'newer' player i remember those moments
it was gross
but def worse/ more noticeable in R3
queen nymph
Very noticeable in D1
light totem
just in general
queen nymph
Yeah, generally it's in every level but very noticeable in D1.
light totem
whatever, sure
nocturne flax
its not even a level bug, but your right you notice it more on d1 because the giants, alpha explained up the reson on why it happens
queen nymph
Feels like It's more common in the levels where have continual wave like A3 and D1.
It might be the reason the mine doesn't kill any enemies sometimes.
mossy yoke
Would love to get video and better/ confirmed repro steps for that
queen nymph
I might test it out tonight.
glass sundial
Happened a fair amount in R2 for me
More frequent in R3 though it seems. No clue what causes it but the stagger system as a whole stops functioning. The melee shove even stops doing anything
queen nymph
It seems like it is more likely to happen when they enters a new zone, when they are under the door frame. You will highly get hit back even though you hit the giant with a full charge :/
vale zephyr
Is it normal for enemies to spawn on top of you in D1? I had two giant strikers spawn on top of me, chunking 80% of my health. And multiple occasions of small sleepers spawning right next to us
turbid cliff
it's flawed spawning logic, "normal"? yes, but it shouldn't be
queen nymph
Nice
devout river
Now I can just help new people in earlier/fun levels
light totem
like b1
devout river
We died on the big momma once and then won the second try
We had to do the blood door with 0 tool
light totem
F, still good tho
devout river
Yes I can finally say I have completed a rundown although it was debatably the easiest so far
queen nymph
As long as the blood door is done, you can start searching for resources.
devout river
Nah we had 0 tool left on the whole map
we listed the whole map
Not even in the key zone we did not go in
queen nymph
How lmao
devout river
Cause we suck
We just splurged it all earlier cause you generally do not have to save resources in D1 cause it is resource packed but then we got like 0 tool in the boss zone and like 2 in the 2 scout zone and enemy-less zone leading into the boss zone combined
Idk if C1 or D1 took me longer
queen nymph
Ah, the big mama. You don't need any tools for mama tbh
devout river
We used a few mines we should have saved for the blood door but eh
We did not play the big mama the right way tbh
cinder imp
I feel like the easiest strat is just run in, 3 guys ammo dump the sacks, one sprays at the babies
If you add in a sniper dumping 2 mags while the door is opening, you kill it in one cycle easy
light totem
^
turbid cliff
just take 4 snipers and everyone dumps mags while door is opening 
light totem
May or may not have done that once
cinder imp
Is shooting while the door opens cheese doe
light totem
Yes
cinder imp
No
devout river
Ye we just all went in and all of us started unloading on it and then the babies came and reallyyyy screwed us all(on our failing attempt) we totalllyyy did not use sniper cheese
cinder imp
Then you gotta beat it again without cheese
cinder imp
You can try to fool other people, even yourself, but you will always know, in the back of your mind
In your sleep you will know, that you are a cheeser
turbid cliff
ok
atomic escarp
Ok boomer
devout river
I do not care about doing a cheese that barely does anything to a boss that is not very good
turbid cliff
chill
devout river
Yes I delete it came off like I was actually angry
turbid cliff
for the most part it's true though that no single room/zone is difficult in this game
devout river
Yes
cinder imp
Yes I delete it came off like I was actually angry
@devout river Don't worry it's all in good fun
Does it barely do anything doe 
devout river
It does not do all that much
The boss has a lot of health like a few sniper shots does not make a huge dent
turbid cliff
actually it does huge damage if you hit tumours
2 sniper mags would probably be half its hp
turbid cliff
i'm not commenting on whatever your run was like but sniper does do shit that's all 
turbid cliff
and i don't know the numbers and specifics myself sadly but it's not exactly an easy thing to test
devout river
Honestly without the error alarm I feel like I would have liked D1 more but it also would have been quite easier without the error alarm
devout river
Thats true
Error alarms are bad
Thats why I would like it more without the error alarm because there would be no error alarm
turbid cliff
i'd adjust the spawning, make error alarms one zone wide, maybe two zones at most, and add a new enemy that'd fit the gimmick better
devout river
Imagine if D1 had the error alarm start after you put the baby in
And you had to do the scout stealth zone,boss and blood door with enemies constantly spawning
turbid cliff
look at the D1 speedrun
turbid cliff
no i mean they did it without ever turning off the alarm
rancid basalt
the only issue with d1 is that they should have put a couple of unreachable zones above the zones that we currently have that the enemies could drop down from
then they wouldn't spawn on top of you
pastel ice
Enemies can't jump nor can they drop down off of ledges.
However, they can climb invisible ladders
turbid cliff
Doesn't mean they can't implement that
light totem
But invisible ladders to unreachable zones they could
obtuse surge
or they could just like
fix it
because it's clearly not working as intended
on our speedruns where all 4 of us are in the same room, they'll legit spawn on us
there's 4 rooms in the first zone
light totem
I mean. It was way worse day 1
obtuse surge
they really don't have to spawn in the same one
light totem
*immediately hit you upon spawning
obtuse surge
we even had the initial wave spawn in B twice now
Don't have to save any doors if they don't even spawn that far away 
nocturne flax
you thing we'are going to meet the father next rundown
tight mesa
Are there shadows on D1?
tight mesa
Jizz launcher it is, then.
light totem
ok
tight mesa
I'm the one in my group who runs the tracker if we need it.
So if no shadows I can run c-foam or mines instead.
light totem
mines best
devout river
I miss shadow
light totem
yes
hexed vapor
I miss them but they would be a bit overplayed if they were in R3 as well.
Could do with a break from shadows for a few rundowns.
light totem
nah, they needed to be here
tight mesa
Problem is that not everyone was here for every rundown. I've never actually seen them.
light totem
ahh, they were amazing
timid gale
chargers are unique, hybirbs are okay but any shadow type mob is just retarded. once you know how to kill em off real easy, youll stop complaining as much about them however that doesnt mean that the mob design for them was amazing in the least. literally just made them see-through and the stats were completely the same, goes for both shadow strikers and shadow titan strikers.
cant wait for crawling titan strikers
hexed vapor
Well you don't see them, silly.
turbid cliff
Crawling titan shadow strikers
gloomy flame
For the giant shadow strikers, they act differently than regular giant strikers do, as in they're faster, attack faster, and sleep in different positions (not always standing like regular giant strikers do)
but for the regular shadows, yeah, exact same as regular strikers pretty much, just see through
hexed vapor
They technically use more positions than strikers.
It's just less noticeable since they don't sleep.
mortal granite
the door can lick you
desert shell
Bang the door if that happens
forest horizon
Doors are now dangerous? How?
bitter fog
Stick peepee in door to stop it from licking
pastel ice
Quack
raw loom
@inner dagger
light totem
[C]Quack Quack MF says: quack
eager whale
can i get some tips on how to beat R3A3?
nocturne flax
staircase
eager whale
the long hallway right? yea we camped there all on 1 ramp only and its fine
but always end up running out of ammo around 4/6 or 5/6
nocturne flax
trigger discipline
an maybe bring one hel gun for the bullet penetration
theres usaully a bunch of 4/5 use ammo
bitter fog
Cycle out sentries
Using all at once is gonna waste shots when they target the same enemies
eager whale
so jsut 1 at a time, in the staircase/long hallway room, maybe a shotgun sentry
bitter fog
Start using two at about wave 4
severe spade
What I do is no sentries for the first 2 waves. Using hel rifle/gun helps a lot aswell
bitter fog
You me for the alarm door scan is crucial
nocturne flax
bs its better for holding wave, if you bring a shotgun its better for the alarm door at 432
eager whale
when is the alarm door?
eager whale
wow, didn't even get that far
nocturne flax
they come for the lower big door
bitter fog
Lol then oof
nocturne flax
if you have all doors close
severe spade
they always go for the lower big door if all doors are closed
its the closes
they spawn in the reactor room
eager whale
how many waves can i hold at the long hallway before they come frmo behind me?
bitter fog
Lower central door, if you place a foamer they will only try that door
eager whale
wait, so i can just hold the long hallway with the stair ramp all the time/all the waves? that's the room south of the reactor
severe spade
yes
nocturne flax
his third eye just open
eager whale
1 question, i closed the 2 door near spawn, and mined the door on the south west but they ended up bursting through south east door. i thought they spawn from the south west side?
oh boy, you guys mentioned 'lower big door', is that the south west door near spawn? the small door being the south east one?
eager whale
but
maybe we are talking about different direction
R3A3 starts from 1 direction, then u go north to hallway, then northt o reactor
so north is reactor, and hallway is 'south'
severe spade
the lower door we are talking about is for the alarm
its in the north zone form the reactor
all the doors in south from reactor dont matter
they dont change anything
as long as everyone is on the stairs they will funnel through the catwalk
eager whale
i was hoping to use mine to mine a door to the south
severe spade
you dont use mines
until later waves
cause usually people bring hel rifles/guns
which are bad against hybrids/big strikers
so people place high mines to kill them
you dont really need mines until wave 5/6
eager whale
i can't even make it past 4
well we get to the part w/ the scout and die around there
severe spade
If you alert the scout then it's someone's fault
if you have troubles with scouts just use helrifle and one tap his head
eager whale
we've been holding the hallway stair ramp which worked out. but for the scout or after the scout, we just run out of ammo
eager whale
alright, so maybe 1 shotgun sentry at a time, till after the scout?
severe spade
1 sentry at a time starting from wave 3/4
eager whale
and no sentry before 3?
eager whale
omg we are really fucking up somewhere
severe spade
the waves are like 15 enemies
eager whale
we put 2 sentry and we run uot of ammo by the wave after scout showed up
severe spade
4 people shootings makes it a joke
especially with hel rifles/guns
There's your problem
eager whale
so 1 shot, 3 hold?
eager whale
so we haev everything hold the 1 ramp, and we put 1-2 sentry there and we all shoot at the same time when the enemy comes
1 burst right infront of us, and 1 shotgun on the opposite end
everything as in everyone *
severe spade
Pretty much yes
I prefer the burst sentry at the other side of the catwalk tho
and the shotgun at the scandoor facing the stairs
eager whale
wait, i'm talking about hallway
i'm still at hallway 🙂
i never made it to the alarm 😛
eager whale
i'm ahvnig trouble clearni the final fog room in R3A3
devout river
On that part whether accidental or on purpose we usually just end up alerting the rooms and pulling them out to before the alarm door
desert lance
In R3B1 after uplink we need to get to exit point. Do we need to go immediately or just clear the waves first?
desert lance
Are the warden gonna be slow again?
hexed vapor
You should do the apex door early.
It's extremely difficult if you're doing it while the extract waves are coming for you.
desert lance
what is 'apex door'
hexed vapor
(a good challenge, actually, might do it sometime)
The big one with the ominous red lights.
hexed vapor
Np.
granite sail
Got a bit confused lmao, yeah don’t to warden scans on extract unless it’s for a specific challenge
glass sundial
Completing all uplinks triggers an alarm, so to try the alarm door while also already having an alarm is shooting yourself in the foot. This can be avoiding by opening the entire map prior to finishing the final uplink
Which you do last is up to preference, but it may be a good idea to examine the map to see which has a shorter run to the exit
mortal granite
if you do all the uplink
and then do apex scan
you will get an secret easter egg
glass sundial
Hard mode
full geyser
so you scan the apex door first, then do the final uplink?
forest horizon
When you first get to that room, optimal strat is apex door -> right or left alarm door -> uplink -> other alarm door -> uplink -> extract
full geyser
You should do the apex door early.
@hexed vapor we call it iron man door
granite sail
i open all 3 doors in the big room with warden door first and then the other 2, we then send 2 people each way and do double uplink
it saves quite a bit of time and is pretty easy
quiet hound
Yeah this is the best strat
glass sundial
I personally think you should open one of the alarm doors first then see how the team's resources are. If you're going very well, do the apex. If the team is struggling a bit, do the other alarm door. If the team is dry, do the uplink
You should adapt the strategy you use to properly fit the current situation. If you aren't doing great, you shouldn't tackle the apex door first
full geyser
well that would work but we only have 3 people
desert lance
What is the strat for apex door?
light totem
B1?
desert lance
yea
light totem
I place one sentry put the previous scan door on the corner after opening it
Facing halfway Between S and 195
Then just focus on scans
desert lance
but we still get swarmed
light totem
That happens regardless of setup
One sentry to slow them will save you ammo for later too
Just don’t be afraid to use ammo while doing scans. It’s only a 5 cycle
atomic escarp
You hold your ground
desert lance
do you have a specific spot?
light totem
Hold near the rear of the room, me personally I aggressively clear wave with my hammer
But that comes with practice
atomic escarp
You really just have to find the balance between fighting,running, and doing the scans
full geyser
do we have an epic hammer tutorial?
atomic escarp
My general tip for stealthing is after you swing immediately charge your hammer again
light totem
Active alarm or stealth?
atomic escarp
You never know when that one fucking sleeper from 30 meters away heard you killing its friend
atomic escarp
Ray I think made a hammering sleepers powerpoint
light totem
He did yeah
desert lance
How do we practice active hammering movements skill?
light totem
Just practice
atomic escarp
Alert a room and don't use your guns
light totem
D1 is decent for it
atomic escarp
Just hammer it
light totem
Or that
atomic escarp
D1 is decent for it
this.
light totem
Sadly worst level
But it gives you the enemy variety between regulars and giants to practice on
light totem
Yes
But tbh I keep my hammer charged, stealth or active
Just bash canceling constantly
atomic escarp
Same
glacial dagger
I did not make a powerpoint
light totem
Rayalot not you
turbid cliff
rayalot used to be the only one who can actually be seen talking so
still gonna refer as ray
light totem
Or Master like old times
turbid cliff
That wasn't old times, that was just R2D2
hexed vapor
I made scout and multi-kill guides, and I plan to make a stealth guide for R4, but Noahwiggs made the PP for stealth.
light totem
Ok, cool
hasty abyss
Hey gents, is it possible to kill a scout with a Hel Gun headshot?
hasty abyss
Thank you
past haven
in the occupit and stay behind it
light totem
^ yeah, being to the side will make it hit the “front”
As it uses player position based hit boxes
granite sail
It really do
desert shell
raven briar
R3C1 is so nostalgic
atomic escarp
Yes
light totem
It’s all C1
queen nymph
Too hard to make
turbid cliff
Too cheap more like
pseudo pumice
anything is possible ✨
light totem
Shadow chicken
light totem
They are actually
turbid cliff
They already have everything they need, just need to apply something on the scouts' textures or whatever
Copy paste
turbid cliff
Pls
turbid cliff
I don't want them actually
light totem
What
turbid cliff
And I don't trust you either, not on anything
light totem
turbid cliff
But you can have your opinion
craggy flame
Always looks like that developing stuff is a piece of cake.... There are alot of things to consider:
- the texture
- the technically: Are trendils better to spot or not? does the Scout shine, when putting them out? is she faster/slower than normal ones? HP?
- Balance: are they unfair cause of their abilities? Can you see them good enough with the fl.
- Coding
You cant just be like, well they have the texture now do it 🤷♂️ Development takes alot of testing and experimenting. A game can be hard sure, but if it becomes unfair or tedious, players will not like that.
And if the devs dont like their Frankenstein monster, they will not put it out.
hexed vapor
Unless something breaks w/ scouts I'm fairly sure being a shadow is a just a Boolean.
turbid cliff
Really doubt they're hard to make
@craggy flame if you actually read what i originally said about it and what i was arguing for, it's strictly the implementation part of it
- already exists, 2) 3) are completely irrelevant, 4) is just part of implementation
the only thing you couldn't just straight up go and do that'd qualify an enemy to be considered as a "shadow scout", is making him invisible
whether the tendrils need to be invisible is debatable
seeing how it's been done on strikers, shooters and big strikers, i doubt making scouts invisible would be some real challenge
and i forget if there's a big shooter skin for shadows
craggy flame
- and 3) are irrelevant.... I have nothing to say here tbh. (I wonder why so many games die, cause balance is garbo and it is not like people LOVE THE SPITTERS). And yeah the entire playerbase of GTFO are pro players playing in leagues earning money.
turbid cliff
jesus christ man read
i never said it's not important
i am talking about the minimum possible requirements to make an enemy you'd consider a "shadow scout"
light totem
It’s not as simple as an on and off switch for invisible
Not to mention the fact that the tendrils have no lighting properties so it makes it incredibly hard on the system to make them physical objects
craggy flame
You said they are completely irrelevant. Do YOU even know what you write?
light totem
Literally yes, they can be made but that’s when 2 and 3 take effect, but the majority of issues boiled down to coding and system limitations
turbid cliff
which is what i am arguing about, i don't see the coding and system limitations
take a shadow, make him patrol around like a scout, give him feelers and scout AI and bam
light totem
Not to mention the fact that the tendrils have no lighting properties so it makes it incredibly hard on the system to make them physical objects
This right here is the main issue
turbid cliff
i'd consider that a shadow scout
turbid cliff
i don't know about that, but as i said before
whether tendrils need to be invisible is debatable
personally for a minimal possible implementation of a "shadow scout", i don't consider it necessary
light totem
Are they a 3 dimensional object with lighting? No. That’s why
They are just a multi plane 2d “object”
Atm, it is not possible to effectively make shadow scouts, maybe with the next engine we will see them. But who knows
turbid cliff
make them dark and transparent 
creative solutions
light totem
Clearly you dont know how making a game works
turbid cliff
not something you can say without just being able to play around with it
and you can pry into my personal life all you want
light totem
- Hmm I wonder why we are strongly arguing why it won’t work
- Ok cool
turbid cliff
if that remark of yours is that it'd look like shit / wouldn't match or whatever
again, possibly
tentacles look like noodles and have received suggestions to be changed already iirc
light totem
What do you even mean with that first comment. English please.
And I doubt the tendrils will change for a while as they work as intended
turbid cliff
StormpooperToday at 4:00 PM
make them dark and transparent creative solutions(edited)
Nek0w0-Wafer(Gavel King)Today at 4:00 PM
Clearly you dont know how making a game works
you either mean that it wouldn't work i.e. it literally can't be done (big doubt), or that it'd work but look horrible
light totem
It can’t be done atm. No
Not a literal scout as we know it but as a shadow
Maybe on Unity 19
glass sundial
What about a shadow neko
turbid cliff
scratching the fact that it was a joke in the first place
i said make the tentacle dark and transparent, yes i don't know much about this but you think that making it transparent is impossible?
light totem
A 2d object can’t like that no, they would have to make the tendrils a 3D object
Which puts too much stress on the system
*It has to have the full 3D model to have shadow properties
light totem
Transparent no, but dark like a charger would work with a simple texture change (and a suggested idea from a while ago for a new scout variant)
pastel ice
Shadow shooters
mortal granite
shadow shadow
pastel ice
Shadow Birther
light totem
Shadow spitters
pastel ice
Can't wait for the Grabber to be available
light totem
Mmm. I don’t care if it comes or not
pastel ice
Or that crawling Titan striker?
Eh I'll pass on that, another non-unique mob.
Dead.
devout river
Wait, if there was a shadow birther, would there also be shadow babies?
light totem
Gross
turbid cliff
that's what you get for making fun of bio
light totem
Sentries are ehh
obtuse surge
burst sentry burst sentry burst sentry
devout river
Bio Tracker sentry
past haven
cfoam sentry
nocturne flax
Monkey sentry
light totem
Gavel sentry
granite sail
i agree
subtle vault
A sentry that shoots sleepers
oblique peak
desert shell
Sentry that has a built in flashlight?
desert shell
Burst is the best the way it is
nocturne flax
Eehh slower firerate and a little.more accuracy and bs should be perfect
At least for me
That would be the perfect buff
light totem
well, without any issues yeah
try 6-9 if there are hordes bcause it hits other things and drop off
nocturne flax
Unless a big ass boy gets infront then we are in trouble
If they lower the firerate i would.be so thankful with them
light totem
maybe
nocturne flax
Not even three sequences and shit empty
light totem
it also wastes a shot on bodies
nocturne flax
That just happens when it switches targets
Witch its a lot
Lmao
The more variety on sentries the merrier
light totem
ehh, tool variety > more sentries
nocturne flax
I know tool variety its king but o would be nice to have different sentries
light totem
possible with weapon progression that there will only be 1 sentry with different upgrades
feral oriole
Knife sentry
It is a sentry that sneaks on its prey and slices their throat
turbid cliff
Or the engine-saw trap from hl2 or what was it, spins around slicing everything in half
Upper torso crawlers inc
fathom marsh
nocturne flax
Eehh once you get use to it it isnt so bad
queen nymph
If you know how to control the use of resources and how to kill the mama, it is easy.
desert lance
how do we approach b2? Is it really hard?
queen nymph
@desert lance Have you attempted yet?
desert lance
just the beginning
copper harbor
Has anyone tried to solo D1?
devout river
I think people have soloed D1
mossy yoke
All have been solo'd
copper harbor
Man I realize I'm always get phucked by the first security
devout river
I have not tried but yeah I would just die as soon as I would try the sec door
devout river
Im not going to try cause I know I cannot do it
And I dont want to D1 again regardless let alone solo
copper harbor
Well if your good at shooting you may have a 50/50 chance
obtuse surge
shooting everything to solo the first alarm won't be easy
kiting is probably a better option
but it's still fucked
you have to find some spots where you can circle a bit to let everything catch up
and you probably wanna kill shooters and giants
atomic escarp
how do we turn off the lockdown alarm on D1 group just finished our 9th blind attempt and has made it all the way to the warden door but its just to much... how do we turn the damn alarm off
queen nymph
What does the mission objective tell you?
Tips I can give you right now is that your first mission objective is not the Warden door. It's something else.
atomic escarp
yeah, we've connected the neonate unit to the thing, but the alarm keeps coming
team is convinced we can't even turn the alarm off
queen nymph
Did you kill the mama?
atomic escarp
no, close
queen nymph
Then you should
atomic escarp
does it end after her?
gotchya
might just stick in the neonate room and try to bait her up the stairs
queen nymph
YES
fast creek
Whats the layout for zone 512 in B2?
nocturne flax
i know you know i was refering to flaffy
hexed vapor
@fast creek It's just a big room w/ machines in it.
queen nymph
Like 252 in A1
sullen sigil
vague trellis
So the whole spawning in front of you on D1 is such an immersion breaker, is that intentional? I loved C1 thought the vibe in that was really good. D1 is a major disappointment 😦
vague trellis
Maybe it was bugged, we were getting spawns of 2 heavies and 4-5 smalls literally directly next to us
It doesn't look like that in any of the D1 vids for sure
obtuse surge
the more spread out you are
the more it'll happen
it also happens often at the start because there's not many rooms available yet
mossy yoke
Wesley is correct. The initial spawn of D1 is 3 rooms, so if your team is in each of the rooms or close to them when the game decides to spawn them, then it's going to pick somewhere and that is going to end up being on top of someone. Try to keep people out of the furthest room you don't need and they should spawn there.
The devs are aware of this feedback and considering options for improving it.
mortal granite
the only problem is the giant spawn
the giant spawn delayed for 10 seconds or so
and spawn the exact location as the small one
atomic escarp
So like. Is it supposed to have a constant alarm going as soon as you drop into D1?
ashen bloom
A group of four people is recommended
mortal granite
if you can memorize where the small one spawn, then you know where the giant spawn
or
if you killed all the giant
and leave only the small one
you can just kite them all around
atomic escarp
Can't kite effectively when you run out of ammo
mortal granite
wdym?
devout river
Ye you can hammer while kiting
hexed vapor
I mean, ammo isn't really used to kite.
craggy flame
you can, but it depends on your playstyle. I love to kite, while using guns.
light totem
^ I do either
R2/3 I would use MP and carbine now as a stun weapon to group them together. Not so much for killing
atomic escarp
@light totem R3 has machine Pistol 🤔🤔🤔
hexed vapor
R2/3
atomic escarp
Funnily enough, I've never really thought of carbine being a stun weapon.
light totem
hmm, yeah that the reason me and zaero run it
glass sundial
Imagine actually getting hit by strikers. This message has been approved by the "Carbine best primary" gang
cinder imp
imagine still playing around in r3. This message was brought you by the bring back r2 gang
turbid cliff
in sweden?
forest horizon
Pretty sure it was the month of july
turbid cliff
For devs yes
mortal granite
tomorrow is the end i think
desert lance
When does R3 end? Do we have an announcement board somewhere for updates on the game?
hexed vapor
There is no set release date for R4.
It's usually announced on Steam and on Discord.
hexed vapor
I'm a fan of burst burst mine c-foam, but you can also run bio burst mine c-foam.
Use one sentry for the alarm.
Grab the turbine, cell, and tool refill from 507 when you go there.
Go into 509D and use the terminal to find resources and the cell. For the alarm, enemies only come from 509A.
C-foam the ||birther|| in 510 and use special weapons to kill it as fast as possible.
desert lance
I'm heavily influenced by the solo strat. Is it different with more people?
desert lance
bullpup pumpshot mine with a WHOLE lot of running around
hexed vapor
I mean, you can just fight them normally.
Kiting is unnecessary.
It will also be hard to do with random teammates.
hexed vapor
I mean that's just kind of a basic gameplay thing, not really specific to B2.
Generally, scan unless you would die or take heavy damage doing so.
In that case, fight first to acquire an opening.
desert lance
thanks a lot
hexed vapor
Np.
desert lance
forgot, what about the fog room?
hexed vapor
You mean 509?
hexed vapor
There's nothing really special about it, just move as a group and be careful of enemies in the fog that have sight on sleepers you kill.
Are scouts an issue?
hexed vapor
The fog shouldn't be infecting you?
The spitters are a bigger threat.
As long as you take your time you should be able to keep low infection, and you can bring disinfection from 506 to manage it.
There's quite a lot of it in there.
hexed vapor
If you c-foam the door they should take a while to get to you, so you shouldn't need repellers until you finish the scans. No point if they haven't even reached you.
You are bringing the turbine, right?
desert lance
what's a turbine?
hexed vapor
That would explain it.