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#gtfo-spoiler-chat
feral token
light totem
(I’m even a mine main)
feral token
i mean most things die to one mine
light totem
I just do my wave clear strats and call it a day
And if it don’t die in one hit then there aren’t enough mines
hexed vapor
Mines do hit crit spots
they cannot receive back damage, however.
You can use crit spots to two-shot striker titans w/ mines
cinder imp
For doors that don't have any surface in front of it, do you put mines in the sideframe?
Or above/below
I always do side but dk if there's an advantage to any
hexed vapor
For metal doors, I have specific placements I use on the frame, such as opposite the handle on one of the places where the metal lines connect.
For motion doors, I always use the small metal connections that extend out from the door.
light totem
Ok. I figured it wouldn’t do back crit. Still interesting tho
mortal granite
if it doing back crit i would have suicide bomb the birther already
or at least titan suicide bomb
light totem
Well
I like doing that to random sleepers
I can sometime get away unscathed with bad host WiFi
But will it headshot a scout?
mortal granite
depend
mortal granite
you headshot them
but the head don't blow up
just like birther
the tumor don't blow up
she just dead
mortal granite
well
a mine will deal about 100 damage to normal enemy anyway ( use player as damage calculator )
so -20% damage is about 80 damage
that's enough to kill the scout anyway
light totem
Wasn’t too sure on the numbers, but I assume it could
Mines op
What you run these days
light totem
Ok. Pretty understandable
mortal granite
with mines
you need to place them at tumor level
and pray that she hit them all
light totem
Gross. Haven’t done the B2 solo yet. Haven’t felt the will to try either
Not a fun level
mortal granite
it's not like the first area are boring
it's just that the other area are
well
boring
light totem
Idk why ppl like doing 511 but I don’t find mother room bad to kite in personally
mortal granite
it's just that the long hallway make striker keep up fast
light totem
True
Tho recently I’ve noticed that I’ve been outrunning them, have you as well?
It was on a few A runs that I first noticed
Like R2 outrun
mortal granite
the outrun occur when they are the defensive type of striker
the one that get intimidate
any level that's not A1 or D1
light totem
But an entire scan wave worth?
mortal granite
they will catch up faster due to the LAB map
light totem
Hmm. True
mortal granite
any Refinery map are a little messed up
light totem
Oh, it was on A1 that I first noticed
I was in final scan kiting to spawn, they were only by key door
light totem
Then again later on A2
light totem
Not really. I got all the scans done during that break
Idk what was going on, cause I know it hasn’t been that way
I like generator kite instead of spawn for A2 tho
mortal granite
either way
this is normal to me
it's like you're adapting to it
and feel like you're outrunning them
light totem
Idk. Wasn’t a solo player in R2, I must be getting used to it now
I just changed by overall setup too, higher fov and dpi, I’ve hit a decent spot to do it now
mortal granite
try playing at 20
light totem
But 90 with 200 dpi and 65% sensitivity in game is nice
And no. zooms out when scoped in
Eww
glass sundial
People do meme runs using "bad" weapons, meanwhile my loadout doesn't matter because mallet is the best gun 
devout river
No its gavel you guy 
mighty pond
Nah, mallet 
devout river
I thought you guys actually played gtfo but clearly not
devout river
Finally, an intellectual
devout river
I would rather just bash the enemies faces in with guns honestly
turbid cliff
look at all these plebs fighting over second place
struggle all you want, you can't prove superiority over the maul
light totem
what? thats a weird way to spell gavel
devout river
Maul is better than mallet and sledgehammer but gavel is still scientifically better
slate vapor
maul > gavel
devout river
Ay maul is still ok cause it does not look terrible but gavel has the specific spiral-like design on it which is proven to be most effective at causing deeper flesh wounds
bitter fog
While you were busy studying the blade I was mastering the gavel
exotic sparrow
There’s a difference?
light totem
F
subtle dagger
F
atomic escarp
F
turbid cliff
can't tell if he took it seriously
granite sail
exotic sparrow
Ty for tips
light totem
GAVEL GANG
granite sail
Stormpooper stop pooping on the fun
light totem
subtle dagger
gavel is a serious matter.
light totem
^
granite sail
take the storm out of your name
light totem
very sewiowous
turbid cliff
listen man whatever language you're speaking in isn't english and i want no part of it
atomic escarp
OwO
granite sail
yeah its owo
exotic sparrow
STOP
turbid cliff
but spreading misinformation is a serious issue in this game
granite sail
owowowowo
light totem
begowone thowot
turbid cliff
you know how many rumours were popularized this way?
granite sail
no its not, its the way the economy grows
light totem
MANY
light totem
because it does
subtle dagger
yea thats why we're telling people that dmr bad
exotic sparrow
That’s too far wafer
subtle dagger
dmr bad
exotic sparrow
I need to call a mod
granite sail
its not a rumor its the worst gun in the game lmao
light totem
just like t-bagging a scan with hack tool makes it go faster
turbid cliff
keep your subjective opinion of it to yourself, just looking at the numbers on paper it already isn't the worst
and once the head bug gets fixed it'll become competitive
turbid cliff
you can shoot heads of headless enemies
atomic escarp
thats cuz its dmg sucks
subtle dagger
wait whats gonna be more competitive
exotic sparrow
I’m so lost
subtle dagger
am i having a stroke
light totem
same
light totem
noooo
atomic escarp
no snow, go gavel
subtle dagger
gavel best weapon
exotic sparrow
They should make a sledge temple
So back to what storm was saying, what’s this about headless enemies and such or we gonna leave it
turbid cliff
destroy the head of a striker, shoot or hammer where its head used to be an you'll see a crit marker
pastel ice
Seems legit
celest lintel
gavel gang
light totem
^
devout river
^
fervent moon
light totem
It’s 45 seconds between small wave and I wanna say it’s halfway between each small wave is the giant
cinder imp
Is there footage of someone beating a mother solo without cheese spot?
cinder imp
It's a big momma
sullen sigil
Spurts out the babes
cinder imp
Ye that what a mother does
sullen sigil
Do we kill with hammer? What do we hit? The sac? The head?
What happens if babies come
cinder imp
The sacs are the weak points, you barely do damage at other parts
Use your guns, hammer is suicide
sullen sigil
4 full charge is not enough to kill?
cinder imp
She spawns babies when she is awake and in line of sight of a player, with a cooldown
Afterwards she makes fog and runs away
You can cfoam it and kill it with shotguns
4 full charge is not enough to kill?
@sullen sigil Not even close bby
cinder imp
But with 4 shotguns to the sacs you can kill it in one cycle (only one wave of babies)
cinder imp
Basically high damage weapons to the sacs until it's dead
I would say yeah
So that it doesn't run after spawning babies
sullen sigil
What about 3 shotgun shots?
We are running a 3 man team
3 snipers?
3 HEL rifle?
We won't just keep running the level to get to that one mother that's 3+ alarms
cinder imp
1 full cfoam charge into 3 shotguns dumps should do it
sullen sigil
Dumps? Like the whole clip?
sullen sigil
Do the ones on the ground do anything?
cinder imp
Nope
cinder imp
Yeah initially I thought they might pop out babies like spitters, but no
devout river
Yea the baby sacs do not do anything really?
Also yea the birther might seem bad but if its sleeping you can semi-easily take it out
devout river
Not normal alarms no
devout river
Ok I wont tell u
sullen sigil
Thanks :)
mortal granite
no
the birther will wake up
follow this game mechanic:
if room is still not wake up
- there is a striker that is in the room that not wake up
= wake up the room
you will have about 4 charges
unless the entire team using c foam launcher
with 2 extra c foam nade
and once you finished the scan
you need to move back
after you clear the wave
you need to clear the blood door
your team need to not be in the same room as the birther
it's possible
but
the guy open the blood door need to be out of that zone in less than 10 seconds or so
you can use the extra zone that you get the cell
all 4 in that zone
and pray that they don't scream
glass sundial
What do you think they did here?
mortal granite
this place is BIIIIIIIIEEEEEGGGGGGGGGG
forest horizon
for you
granite sail
vagrant fractal
What’s the deal with the security scan at the end of R3C1?
I noticed the alarm continued after we opened the door but the room it leads to wasn’t alerted
Should we just sneak through it? Or will the room eventually get woken up by the alarm
turbid cliff
it's an error alarm, it goes on until you finish the expedition and spawns a small amount of chargers each time
the alarm won't wake the sleepers up but the spawned chargers might
craggy flame
Also stealth isnt the best approach. Make sure to snipe the Scout, cover your rear via tools and go in guns blazing. Also have mines protecting the extraction zone (point of player spawn). Is kinda the best strat, which exists right now.
vagrant fractal
Ok so if it takes too long to find the neonate then it will wake the room anyway
Ic
Uh I mean HSU
craggy flame
More or less that is why you just can go in loud. Just make sure you dont accidentally trigger the Scout
queen nymph
Scout is the priority once you're in the zone. Take it down first then you just go loud.
mortal granite
if you have a team
just block them from spawning
force them to spawn somewhere else
granite sail
zone 20 is honestly, in my opinion, easier to just run around and look for the hsu than to ping on the terminal
turbid cliff
wdym block
granite sail
zone 20 is bae 
mortal granite
use my R2C2 theory that i told you
turbid cliff
you mean one dude stands in somewhere, other dude stands 2 rooms away?
yeah that gets them to spawn on top of you, not elsewhere
mortal granite
ye
there are 1 room they can spawn
and we always used that
didn't get any spawn on us
zone 20
1 A 1 C
turbid cliff
we stood in 20A and 19A(?) and both got them on top of us on separate occassions
turbid cliff
that was on the first tries when we just left one guy to defend and other to figure the fuck we're doing
queen nymph
^
mortal granite
you just basically let them alert the scout (if the scout still alive)
turbid cliff
well killing the scout turned to be my job and i did it
mortal granite
if you're gonna duo
turbid cliff
but i was clearing the room quietly and wanted to get on the terminal when i suddenly got stabbed in the ass from the side that has nothing on it
mortal granite
20A and 20C
turbid cliff
i already cleared i don't need no explanations
but i'm saying your theory doesn't work
mortal granite
it worked for me
turbid cliff
you don't just go "ah so this happened, means how it works confirmed"
you try to find a scenario where it doesn't work
mortal granite
that's your problem isn't it?
turbid cliff
i mean okay it can work but that doesn't mean it'll always work
turbid cliff
maybe you just got rngesus cuz both in R2 and R3 we got shit on top of us
turbid cliff
lack of rooms? how could it be lack of rooms in maps as huge as those
as for "already decided before you entered", it's a long shot
queen nymph
@turbid cliff there's one more rule about the spawning system. Standing in 19A is fine but you need two people. Having 3 people in 20A will confuse the system, it will turn out, "Um, there are more people in zone_20 so I think they are going to a new zone, I should spawn the enemies in 20 now."
turbid cliff
we're in duo
queen nymph
Hmmm
turbid cliff
and that again sounds like a long shot or a side effect of something else
mortal granite
zone 20 have 3 area
turbid cliff
i believe they pick one dude and look for spawn points based on him
mortal granite
yes
turbid cliff
having 3 dudes in one area just increases the odds of you not getting cucked
queen nymph
Here we go again
mortal granite
but when i'm in 112A
queen nymph
I'm gonna sleep. Have fun guys
mortal granite
they don't spawn anymore
turbid cliff
i don't even know what you want from me anymore
it clearly didn't work for me, end of that theory
mortal granite
wow
mortal granite
too late for that
oblique peak
bitter fog
Why is default dancing on me it didn’t get the victory royale
hybrid cradle
mario dies
subtle vault
Oof
crystal gorge
oof
winged sentinel
oof
vagrant fractal
in room 11E on R3C1 theres a sign on the floor you can get permastuck behind]
blazing jacinth
so my group is a bit stuck on d1, we just never have enough resources to consistently get through the 2nd alarm, any tips?
nocturne flax
try to use hammers a little bit more and rush faster
blazing jacinth
i thought shotgun sentries were significantly more effective than burst?
obtuse surge
there was a bug that basically caused shotgun sentries to get a x4 damage multiplier in your average match
since that's been fixed
blazing jacinth
its still higher damage despite that isnt it
obtuse surge
well yes
it's a shotgun
but damage isn't everything
the sniper isn't the best weapon in the game
blazing jacinth
so how is the burst better for d1
obtuse surge
how is the shotgun better for d1
the performance of each sentry depends heavily on it's placement
blazing jacinth
at the moment we’re placing it facing the entrance to the alarm room with a closed door + mine
we’re mainly using it to deal with the enemy count
so how would burst help with that
blazing jacinth
yet shotgun deals more damage
im asking how burst would be better, not what it does
obtuse surge
like i said
damage isn't everything
the shotgun sentry isn't simply a burst sentry with more damage
the burst sentry is a high fire rate burst
blazing jacinth
it has less range, etc I know that
i understand the difference between them but im asking how burst would be better in that specific situation
obtuse surge
it's not better
it's incredibly similar
it kills things
you slightly switch up placement
keeping in mind that you have more range
and that it's beneficial to get headshots with the bursts
blazing jacinth
wait really
mortal granite
ye
blazing jacinth
i thought the laser was longer on the burst
mortal granite
it's just that burst sentry have "recoil" because it burst
obtuse surge
i'd still think you want it close if you want all pellets to hit
mortal granite
you get hit when you're direct at the Shotgun sentry 30 meters away
blazing jacinth
i mean its a short hallway so shotgun seems more efficient regardless
obtuse surge
difference is very small
mortal granite
shotgun sentry do missed about 2 - 3 pellets
unless the enemy that SS aiming are the giant
blazing jacinth
but the sentries can for sure get headshots right
blazing jacinth
because i can never really tell if they do
blazing jacinth
is the ammo capacity for them about the same?
mortal granite
let's me check
blazing jacinth
because we pretty much need all the resources we can get
blazing jacinth
we do
obtuse surge
you could c foam multiple times too
obtuse surge
there's enough time
blazing jacinth
cause they turn to break door mid scan
obtuse surge
even if you get the far door
should be able to make it there in time after team scan
blazing jacinth
we dont usually do far door since they dont break it
obtuse surge
i mean
the alarm door you need
if you get 390
if you get the one right next to the door
it's not an issue at all
as you could spray c foam from the scan
blazing jacinth
i was referring to the second alarm, not the first
obtuse surge
well
blazing jacinth
sorry if that wasnt clear
obtuse surge
2nd alarm allows a lot of great burst placements
as there's big hallways everywhere
blazing jacinth
we’ll give that a try
obtuse surge
but the c foam strat should also work just fine
you need to have someone pull the alarm
as you're spraying c foam
or even before you started spraying the c foam
because it's a moving team scan anyway
that'll likely be at the mid of the room
blazing jacinth
gotcha
we’ll try that strat
is there much of a point in foaming the hybrid door
obtuse surge
yes
c foam that door and put like 3 mines facing in
it'll kill most things and leave the rest at low health
blazing jacinth
oh damn
i didnt even think of the mines facing in
thats a damn good idea
we’ll give it a try thanks for the help
fossil knoll
So I heard that people do both B1 uplinks at the same time? Any tips for that? Is it really viable if your squad is doing bad on ammo/tool?
mighty pond
I do it frequently. There really aren't any major tips you can offer outside make sure the right IP is in the correct terminals, that you have defenses set up so you can easily solo hold a majority of the enemies that come to you, and be prepared to have the terminal person assist with killing if it absolutely comes to it. The strat itself isn't necessarily bad to do with lower ammo/tool, but obviously would go much smoother if you had a fair amount.
Oh, I suppose having the people who are doing terminal being able to do the terminal stuff on their own without call outs needed helps, otherwise you get a cluttered comm and it leads to errors made
fossil knoll
I see I see. In the end, would it be a "safer" strat than doing one at a time, or is the benefit of doing both just cutting down the level time?
atomic escarp
It seems like it just cuts down the time it takes to complete it
cinder imp
If you're struggling in b1 probably don't do both at the same time
glass sundial
A well placed shotgun sentry will always outperform a well placed burst sentry
Shotgun requires slightly less % tool refill for the same kill, but burst dumps out its ammo roughly 2x as fast, meaning it will run dry significantly faster than a shotgun
fluid pelican
However on the other hand, a badly placed burst sentry will always outperform a badly placed shotgun sentry
hexed vapor
@fossil knoll You need four people for the optimal spawn manipulation, which will cause them to go through an extra set of doors (3 doors up from 2 in 234; 6 doors up from 3 in 235)
When doing the uplink in 234D, have one player stand in 234B (enemies will spawn in 234C rather than 234A).
When doing the uplink in 235E, have one player stand in 235C (enemies will spawn in 235B rather than 235A or 235D).
If you get the very rare uplinks in 234B or 235B, no spawn manipulation is required (and it can, in-fact, be bad to occupy other areas).
glass sundial
Basically if you're clueless about sentries and can't place them for your life, save yourself the trouble and use a burst until you start to get the right idea
That or ask for advice about turret placements from someone who actually knows how to place turrets
cobalt badger
How do we know if said person knows how to place the turrent?
atomic escarp
If he knows how and where they can/will spawn
bitter fog
The real chad places a turret down and then runs through the firing arc cause “muh back shots”
nocturne flax
Nah you gotta put the sentry facing at a wall to save ammo
glass sundial
If your sentry is actually killing a significant amount of enemies, it's placed right. If it seems like it's doing nothing that's because it is it's probably placed poorly
mortal granite
i just wonder
if is it correct to kill enemies when doing alarm
or after
because when you have a team of 4
1 guy can fill up the c foam launcher
and stop the enemy from going in
and 1 guy can use mine and place it around the area that they gonna come
when the scan is finished
you just tell the c foam guy to stop c foam door
north hazel
I think it depends on how much tool you have at your disposal
forest horizon
You would save ammo but waste tool
mortal granite
that's why that make me not wanting to kill enemies
glacial crescent
Not waste tool
Sentries eat more tools than a c-foam launcher constantly spraying the door and 1 mine in an alarm door
mortal granite
2 mines would just wipe out the waves
glass sundial
Sentries can and will use between 40-100% tool during an alarm. Meanwhile you can typically use 2 or 3 charges full of cfoam and 1 or 2 mines to kill almost an entire wave behind 1 door
Minor ammo usage for cleanup. 2 sentries eating a huge amount of tool each, or a cfoam launcher using a moderate amount. One is significantly more resource efficient than the other
mortal granite
you can just simply lock down that 1 door that they spawn
sullen sigil
Huh
uneven thunder
Has anyone else seen or have a solution to the desynced scans in R3D1?
warped orbit
kind hinge
why is that an easter egg?
granite sail
ye its just a kitchen lmfao
devout river
Kitchen
vagrant fractal
how do you disable the alarm on D1?
is it just on for the entire mission or something?
or is there like, a terminal or something somewhere which can disable it
devout river
I am pretty sure it disables after you put the baby in the objective machine
vagrant fractal
isnt that at the end of the mission? or is it different here
devout river
Nah after you put the baby in you still gotta go to a forward extraction point
devout river
Ye most of it
I am pretty sure after you put the baby in you have another alarm door, the boss and then a blood door and then you are done
vagrant fractal
alright, all i wanted to know
devout river
Ok
vagrant fractal
just wanted to see if i was wasting my time trying to look for a way to turn the alarm off, seems so
gonna be one hell of a mission
devout river
Ye error alarms are annoying
vagrant fractal
thats a spicy deluxe btw
devout river
I know
light totem
yeah, there are three scans before obj, key door, upper and fog zone doors
vagrant fractal
Are the security doors after the key door alarm sequences or just normal?
The 2 leading up to the obj
devout river
One of them is for sure but I have not gotten to the last one before obj
The first and second sec doors before obj are alarms idk about the third
hexed vapor
@vagrant fractal Class error alarm pits you against:
Class III alarm.
Motion door w/ 4 hybrids.
Class IV alarm.
Birther after baby is inserted and class error alarm ends.
After you've finished that:
Class V alarm.
Stealth with lots of hybrids, titans, and two scouts.
Class IV alarm.
Large birther.
Motion door packed with strikers.
devout river
Ah crap we died on the last sec door before obj
vale pecan
devout river
yES
glass sundial
Subtle self advertisement, I dropped another good suggestion into the game suggestions chat 
cough might be a good idea to search by user in game suggestions to see my ridiculous suggestions
devout river
It’s the newest one if that’s the one you talking about so I don’t gotta search
Idc what new enemy they add but we need a new enemy that is as common as strikers and shooters
glass sundial
Agreed
Most of my suggestions are fueled by either creative ideas or veteran driven ideas to spice up the gameplay
Since I know basically everything about the game balance, usually my ideas can fit somewhere relative to everything else
cinder imp
Is there ever a worse thing in the world than the scans in D1 going upstairs, splitting, and then downstairs?
It takes like 30 seconds
Also a lot of people hammer too much for their own good on D1, enemies accumulate too much and it becomes impossible to stand ground on the scans
vagrant fractal
@unborn sorrel how far into the mission are you getting?
unborn sorrel
wellt the furthest we got is we've done one of the terminals with some frantic typing haha, and we just scrubbed out to the second side alarm door after being basically rinsed of ammo from the first side door and terminal
slate vapor
Do you do the big door in the middle?
unborn sorrel
we haven't yet, but I assumed that made it harder
vagrant fractal
Yeah the best way to go about it is to unlock the big warden door first (but not open it until before the second terminal)
Try to clear the big room and the 2 adjacent rooms before anything else
And then once the alarm goes off enemies will only be able to spawn at the entrance to the big room
slate vapor
So what my teams have done is big door -> side door 1 -> search for supplies but only if dangerously low -> second alarm
vagrant fractal
So you can c foam the pathway and choke point it with turrets; it should take a good 15-20 seconds before any enemies even enter the room
unborn sorrel
ah okay
vagrant fractal
And the room is big enough where you can somewhat easily kite enemies
unborn sorrel
so going back to my original point would you generally say C-foam is better than mines?
vagrant fractal
If you wait until extraction to do that scan (the extraction point is behind that door) you’ll probably end up being screwed over
It depends on the situation really
slate vapor
^
vagrant fractal
Mines are great for thinning out waves
devout river
We used both for our run
vagrant fractal
But if you have tight chokepoints or rooms with a single entrance a c foam launcher can hault the entire horde from entering
unborn sorrel
yeah I think we've only really thought of it as door reinforcement
vagrant fractal
The main thing about B1 is learning to effectively clear or thin out densely packed rooms on stealth
slate vapor
Yeah cfoam can be good for other stuff
vagrant fractal
If you effectively conserve resources and ammo you can do it
slate vapor
Like freezing scouts
vagrant fractal
Honestly for scouts our group usually just thins whats safe to kill and then snipes them
It’s a bit wasteful but much easier
devout river
Eh we just melee them if there is few enemies but if there is a lot we clear out a little and then shoot em
unborn sorrel
our group has a sniper for big guys and scouts
devout river
Yes that’s fair enough
unborn sorrel
obviously that usually ends up going loud though so might be costing us ammo
devout river
Especially if you are newer plays it’s good to bring a weapon to shoot scouts
slate vapor
HEL rifle can also 1 shot scouts
unborn sorrel
is that one silent?
slate vapor
No
slate vapor
Just had more ammo
unborn sorrel
ah
slate vapor
Larger mag size
unborn sorrel
I suppose on big guys I tend to go up and shotgun them anyway so it wouldn't be much of a loss to swap sniper for the rifle
since sniper doesn't 1 shot the big guys anyway
devout river
It can o think
dense nebula
If you’re far enough/in the next room, it shouldn’t alert the whole room too
devout river
To the occiput
slate vapor
The HEL does have a charge up though
dense nebula
And sniper is headshot to the back of head of melee titan is one shot kill
unborn sorrel
I suppose it's hard to hit back of head in waves, would make sense why it hasn't happened yet
dense nebula
But sniper is only head shot and chest shot will kill the melee titans
unborn sorrel
but yeah, probably hel rifle would be better if it can also 1 shot scouts and has better ammo
unborn sorrel
I think that's what our sniper's been doing anyway
dense nebula
I usually wait until it starts retracting because their heads move less. If the scout moves during charge up there’s a chance of missing it
unborn sorrel
I think the hardest part for B1 for us has been knowing where to place our sentries and such since there's multiple routes of entry
devout river
Well you can use c foam to manipulate where the enemies come from
unborn sorrel
yeah I figured they went for the least defended position
devout river
If there is two doors into a room and you c foam one of them they are usually going to go for the un c foamed door
unborn sorrel
so I guess you can also place C-foam at the floor of the one you want them to go through
vagrant fractal
If you have titans in a sleeping room you can group melee them too
One guy hits back of the head everyone else swings at back and a group of 4 can easily stealth kill a titan
Group of 3 maybe not stealth but still easy kill
devout river
Nah 3 can
vagrant fractal
Yeah it’s just a little harder
All 4 is safer but both are perfectly doable
As long as everyone hits it won’t even have a chance to try to melee you
light totem
3 to the back kills them
4 for heavy shooters
(Is a way to do 2 to strikers and 3 to shooters)
vagrant fractal
How? 2 full hits to occipit?
obtuse surge
yes
hexed vapor
C1 standard route: 5-12 scouts
C1 full clear: 8-17 scouts
hexed vapor
It's extremely unlikely, but should be possible.
light totem
I think it can actually be closer to 19, if not more
hexed vapor
Seems unlikely rn, I'm skeptical that 10 or 11 can go over 3, and 13 at 5 seems like it would be the limit.
light totem
hmm, 2 in 13A, 2 in 13E?, and up to 6 in 13F (whatever scan room is)
hexed vapor
If it's per zone, the capacity per room shouldn't matter.
Also, I think you're talking about D and H?
light totem
ive had 5 in 13 scan room, and ive heard 6
light totem
yeah
killed 3 before the rest alerted
plus there were a number of enemies in the zone as well
hexed vapor
I wonder if there's just a chance for one room to be scout-heavy.
light totem
there should not be
turbid cliff
more than 2 scouts for your average sleeper filled room is pretty fucked up, considering that one usually has a lot of sleepers too
but where do you fit so many in there
mossy yoke
it's like a clown car
turbid cliff
i'd animate that if i had any skills
light totem
its gross tbh
turbid cliff
now i need a mod that puts clown shoes on scouts and the clown nose too
mighty pond
now i need a mod that puts clown shoes on scouts and the clown nose too
The scout wave is just a tiny clown car that pours enemies out of itself
turbid cliff
And enemies are clown sleepers, full make-up and dressed too
light totem
included in tier 100 battle pass
atomic escarp
Whenever they hit you a honk sound effect plays
turbid cliff
tiny clown car that pours enemies out of itself
Actually sounds kinda like a joke version of the mother
frank mauve
If that's not the first mod that comes out then I'll be disappointed in this community.
light totem
and landing a hit with the DMR "Now thats a lot of damage"
slate vapor
Pistol screams when you fire it
calm vessel
vagrant fractal
so does anyone know what the deal is with the neonate HSU
whats the significance of the baby
calm vessel
its a volley ball
cinder imp
It's the love child of bishop and dauda
molten acorn
does the door 236 in R3B1 have a continuous alarm?
devout river
No doors have continuous alarms
The alarm for the second uplink is continuous though
devout river
Yes
I am pretty sure all doors with continuous alarms say error alarm when you go to them
molten acorn
thanks my dude
vagrant fractal
yeah absolutely unlock the warden door first
The way i did it was to clear the entire big room, including the side 2 room which lead to the security scan
but leave everything closed
and then the only place enemies can spawn is outside of the long hallway on the other side of the room
so you can use sentries and c foam to shred the waves before they ever get to you
once you finish the security scan on the warden door leave it closed though so enemies cant spawn behind it
you should open it before completing the second uplink
(or after both of the side security scans)
vagrant fractal
Is there any real benefit to that outside of speed
I doubt you would run into the enemy spawn cap doing that, right?
light totem
yes, it should split the wave to both zones
cinder imp
Having both uplinks going at the same time spawns the same amount of enemies as having only one
cinder imp
So basically you effectivelt have to deal with half the enemies
Overall
Ofc if you have trouble dealing with waves, it's easier to do it as 4 instead of 2 groups of 2. Especially since the waves don't split evenly, and may gang up on one side
light totem
i enjoy being "new" and while the teacher is looting we complete an entire uplink
then say oh we just alerted a room
cinder imp
I sneaked away and did the second uplink as the rest of my team did the first
light totem
oof
light totem
oh my god
cinder imp
i enjoy being "new" and while the teacher is looting we complete an entire uplink
But considering how shallow R3 is, you have to do some challenges to keep it fun
Like beating D1 without killing the boss
Sometimes your team is not privy to your personal challenges 
hexed vapor
@cinder imp Pretty sure it spawns independently for each?
You can hear two wave sounds if you desync the starts
Which is why you still get spawns on each side.
They will start to break down doors immediately after both have started.
cinder imp
I haven't tested it extensively, but only 2 enemies reached me while I was doing the uplink undefended (only one closed mined door)
hexed vapor
That's seemingly a result of the enemies getting confused and running between zones.
cinder imp
So they spawn independently but path to either?
vagrant fractal
What’s the best way to handle D1?
We’ve been having 2 or 3 guys with c foam launchers to stall enemies as much as possible while we get the first keycard
But we have a lot of trouble after that point
We’ve only gotten past the keycard door once (albeit we haven’t tried a whole lot of times)
light totem
each team does it different, i solo go into 389/390 to get key while team defends
yet somehow every one of them die
vagrant fractal
Is it better to move a little slower and make sure you’re clearing the enemies or is it a better idea to just try to avoid and kite enemies around?
light totem
i kite>defend
vagrant fractal
What tools do you usually run with?
light totem
me, mines
i was a top tier bio, and still am, but im working on my mine skills in R3
vagrant fractal
I guess if you lay them behind you as you run around it can help to thin stuff out
vagrant fractal
Ye
I’ve been using mines more since I started to try soloing missions
I thought they sucked at first but they’re really helpful with good placement
vagrant fractal
I’ll give the mission another shot tomorrow when hopefully I have a fourth guy on
We have 3 players including myself who are consistently online and then it’s always just a mess trying to get a fourth person on lol
light totem
ahh, i just ran it with randoms (Which on day 1 are all decent players)
so i didnt have to worry about their skills
vagrant fractal
You got to D1 on day 1?
light totem
ye
light totem
first attempt tbh, idk even know how now
devout river
D1 Hard
desert shell
should the burst cannon have no charge up time?
nocturne flax
MG would rekt everything this R
light totem
for real
cinder imp
bullpup for sure
light totem
mp>bullpup
cinder imp
Then the enemies get even faster so that you can't play to stagger
light totem
i disliked bullpup after a few days
cinder imp
bullpup is bae
light totem
the carbine is gaining traction for me
and btw i started the bullpup bae thing day 1
cinder imp
hipster
light totem
yes
nocturne flax
enemies so fast they slide like us
cinder imp
honestly if you can't handle the long reload, you don't deserve its laser destruction
enemies bhop and slide spam
light totem
eww
cinder imp
DMR takes 3 HS against strikers
light totem
uhhhhh
cinder imp
pistol slower rate of fire
light totem
rifle?
nocturne flax
enemies atack so fast they move before they finish the retract animation
nocturne flax
imagine balancing the game by tuning up the dial on the speed
cinder imp
lol
nocturne flax
so babies are categorize the same as regular enemies then
cinder imp
Maybe parkour nerf was a bug from fixing the SS
light totem
i assume maybe?
nocturne flax
also do babies count as giants because ive seen them turbo like crazy if you leave the area lmao
nocturne flax
its hilariously funny seen a big head just sliding trought the floor
light totem
true
nocturne flax
i mean giants walk the same as before as far as i see
they only turbo when you move out of the room
nocturne flax
yeah it happens when your client an your inside a room and the team in another
when your transitioning from one room to another
until the game says oh shit theres someone here and stops
kind of like the spawn system
nocturne flax
chargers on c1 be like: nothing personal kid smack smack
cinder imp
*nothing personnel
desert shell
We won B1 by a bug
The extraction loaded but the sleepers won't load
So it's a free scan
hexed vapor
Found it.
light totem
ive had in once as well
fluid pelican
happens on A1 too but its very rare
calm vessel
Happens on b2 too
light totem
^
calm vessel
Pretty sure it happens when someone rushes to the end before they spawn
bitter fog
Pshh
granite sail
When the rundown first came out I had a ton of free A1 extracts lmao
bitter fog
You have to pay now? Cheapskates
calm vessel
The joke went over his head
bitter fog
No, I enhanced the joke by assuming you list now pay for A1 runs when they were free cause everyone was on A1
You know the joke ain’t funny if I gotta explain it
desert shell
should the devs add a flamethrower?
light totem
they already said they are not
light totem
well, that is what the primary weapons are supposed to be used for, and in old rundowns there were a few different guns that allowed good wave clearing ability
ivory quartz
Anything that makes horde clearing easy other than eqiupment wont happen
I can imagine a player soloing a blood door by just spraying the flame thrower if its a thing
atomic escarp
It'd take the sense of accomplishment away from the newer players when they add a weapon that makes clearing hordes easy rather than working for it
ivory quartz
Exactly
My friend and i were in A2
Got rekt by blood doors when we didnt know shit about them
Had to find the best loadout and manage then set up accordingly to clear it
Took multiple tries because we also tried various weapons
Last thing gtfo needs is a meta
Alot of people already go for mines
I started using the smg and sniper after seeing the pump and dmr not working for me
atomic escarp
A lot of new/newish players suggest or want a flamethrower, and they don't know (i think) that the devs already stated that there will be no grenades, flame thrower, or any other item or weapon that can clear the horde very easily
ivory quartz
I thought about suggesting a pipe bomb from l4d but then thought (that just makes life easy, which isnt what gtfo does)
desert shell
I just rethinked and yeah, AOE weapons/tools just ruins GTFO (except mines)
turbid cliff
if it makes sense for some miner/prisoner to be able to make or have, i'd say they should have it
There's plenty of games where you have the AoE or whatever powerful tools you want but it's still challenging and balanced
light totem
NO
forest horizon
The only replacement for MG is disappointment
desert shell
maybe rundown 4 is going to bring it back in a more glorious form
I liked the burst cannon too
light totem
no, BC bad, MG good
light totem
imagine thinking the bullpup is a good replacement for the Mg
glass sundial
light totem
glass sundial
Let's see. MG is the ultimate crowd control weapon, quickly staggering enemies and dispatching them as needed. Effective at all ranges against all foes
Bullpup, rock bottom stagger potential, garbage crowd control. Can quickly kill enemies, but can't stun at all. Useless against giant types. Effective at all ranges for small enemies only
turbid cliff
excellent at blinding its own user
funny enough bullpup should be good at that too
with the added bonus of ejecting rounds in your face
light totem
but once you get used to the flashbang effect it doesn't matter anymore
turbid cliff
and i still don't get the crap stagger thing, it's like the easiest weapon to hipfire a head with
turbid cliff
"Bullpup, rock bottom stagger potential"
glass sundial
With headshots they typically die when you finally stagger them
turbid cliff
i've yet to see an enemy eat a shot to the head and continue its attack
light totem
exactly, no stagger
turbid cliff
do you do reading
light totem
bruh
they die before they stagger
Carbine is best primary because of its insane stagger
turbid cliff
ok
bitter fog
5 second reloads 🧠
light totem
its M249 time
pastel ice
Bruh, stagger is based on damage as a whole to it's health and to limbs.
Bullpup staggers a tiny bit more than the SMG.
light totem
about that, what about MP?
if i remember correct weapons have stun "values" assigned to them, weapons such as MP and Carbine have very high stun, while bullpups is very low
pastel ice
Enemies have stun values set at a particular number, goes for limbs as well.
When enough damage is dealt enemy either staggers without losing limbs or staggers when losing limbs. There's no magic stun value on each gun.
And tbh, striker/shooter have very low reqs to be staggered. Titans req a bit more damage and baby strikers stagger is so low that it might as well be non-existent.
Birther staggers as well but it's not worth it
light totem
clearly you havent seen the stun on giants with the carbine compared to the bullpup, there very obv. is specific per weapon values
pastel ice
Stagger is damage based. It's been that way since Alpha.
Each weapon has their own set max damage including ranges to calc damage falloff.
light totem
How much have you tested this? Just like damage multipliers, they can be changed for each gun
pastel ice
I've tested this plenty enough that Ive lost 99% interest in the game.
hidden flax
um
atomic escarp
Thats unfortunate
light totem
Pfft. So nothing enough to trust
atomic escarp
Got em
pastel ice
Alright, believe what you will. But that is how the game works.
hidden flax
no
light totem
True. Great weapon. Could stagger with only a few hits. Unlike Bullpup
hidden flax
like 3 shots and they would stagger
light totem
And carbine with a single (prob less) burst
hidden flax
have yet to use the carbine that much
desert shell
I played a bit more, now I use the Assault Rifle. Bullpup reload is too shit
desert shell
I didn't test many weapons because my PC lags like hell, now my PC lags a bit less so I can use more weapons efficiently
Gotta test out carbine for that stun
Testing in progress...
it turns out...
I edited this because I have new testing results
turbid cliff
was ignoring this topic since it's just fundamentally fucked but
ludvig07/02/2020
stagger will be a bigger thing next rundown, we've been talking about breaking that out as a specific proc for weapons, not only limb damage
there are no separate stagger values, everything Unfortunate said is right
there will be separate stagger values
turbid cliff
never went out of my way to test it much but afaik
destroying limbs always causes stagger
headshots always interrupt attacks
desert shell
yep, you're correct
turbid cliff
certain amount of plain old damage also interrupts, but that one seems to be a varying value somewhat
turbid cliff
separate stagger (which causes a big animation) from interrupt, which is just a small animation like shaking their head a little bit
stagger is only caused by limb destruction probably
desert shell
@turbid cliff If it works like that I gotta run the tests again...
turbid cliff
some of us have hundreds of hours in testing shit, and i can tell you this isn't a game where you make something happen once and go "yeah that's how it works"
atomic escarp
It's still that inconsistent?
mortal granite
if you're not staggering
turbid cliff
some things fkn are
mortal granite
that's mean you
A) not dealing enough damage
or
B) the game bugged out
i got the no stagger bug
frequently now because of speedrunning
turbid cliff
i'd need a video example to understand what you're talking about
mortal granite
smashing limb don't cause stagger
desert shell
turns out carbine and bullpup DOES Inturrupt enemy
mortal granite
that's a bug
turbid cliff
ah
mortal granite
when the game start to spashing out of control
like playing really long
or restart too fast
- too many times
desert shell
both carbine and bullpup staggers are kinda equal
turbid cliff
i told you already there's no separate stagger value
desert shell
ok
desert shell
So yeah, I got results
both carbine and bullpup inturrupt enemies at about 2-5 shots
Stagger will happen for carbine
Bullpup will not stagger because sleepers will be dead by the time
mortal granite
yes
desert shell
So we can end the discussion, carbine is for players that have a lot of precision
Bullpup for spray and pray type
mortal granite
you could interupt shot with carbine
when you shot once and swap immediately
you could shot about 1 - 2 bullet with that method
but that would be annoying
obtuse surge
bullpup for spray and pray 
desert shell
yes, because every carbine will interupt every burst
obtuse surge
i think this is why i see new players spend half a clip of bullpup to kill 1 enemy