gtfo-spoiler-chat

[vale pecan]

sooooooooo

[mortal granite]

bc is balance

[atomic escarp]

Yeah, MG was just OP. If you could aim right, holy shit it was powerful and amazing if used correctly.

[mortal granite]

it can't 1 mag kill giant

like MG

it can't delete the entire wave

like MG

smg have small damage

[atomic escarp]

But what sucks now, when I want to go DMR/Rifle, I don't have any automatic weapons to bring with now to compensate.

[mortal granite]

everything have a cons

[vale pecan]

they need a DMR buff

[mortal granite]

which MG don't have that much

they don't need to tho

[vale pecan]

it is garbage

absolute trash

[mortal granite]

if they buff it to 1 shot striker

[vale pecan]

in the head

[mortal granite]

then it become special weapon

making revolver even more trash

[atomic escarp]

DMR needs more ammo and it would be very viable if you could aim. It's pretty good if you can aim, but you need that secondary MG like gun to compensate for it.

[vale pecan]

revolver shoots faster and reloads faster

[atomic escarp]

Revolver is good.

[vale pecan]

its like comparing Bullpup to SMG

[mortal granite]

nope

dmr reload the same speed as revolver

if you can cancel animation

and dmr have more ammo in 1 mag

[vale pecan]

but DMR is long range

[mortal granite]

have range damage

[vale pecan]

while Revolver is short-mid range

well

mid range

not really short

[mortal granite]

buffing dmr is like remove revolver

[vale pecan]

no, it isnt

[mortal granite]

yes

[atomic escarp]

DMR needs faster bullet travel and ammo.

[light totem]

no.... dmr is meant for long range

[vale pecan]

smh

[hexed vapor]

@atomic escarp The game is hit-scan

[mortal granite]

the only buff the dmr need is ammo

[light totem]

each weapon has their own effective engagement distances

[vale pecan]

Its like saying that sniper in R2 was just a better shotgun and the shotgun was useless

[atomic escarp]

No it's no. Revolver is capable of 1 shots while DMR is not.

[vale pecan]

because they did about the same thing

just one was long range with less ammo

and the other was short range

range makes a HUGE difference

[mortal granite]

which is buffing damage make no sense

more ammo

that's it

[hexed vapor]

DMR and Revolver don't compete by nature

Main and special weapons never battle for roles.

[vale pecan]

yup

[light totem]

DMR is useless as it currently goes. If you add two shot body capability and a thermal sight... it would add so much viability for the normal player

still wont kill with one headshot

[vale pecan]

Also, in that sense of Revolver = buffed DMR

The rifle is just a long range pistol

[hexed vapor]

You cannot two-shot to body without one-shot to head

[vale pecan]

so why does pistol exist

[hexed vapor]

So, sorry, but no

[vale pecan]

if im going by Alphas logic

which I do not agree with

[atomic escarp]

Revolver is is like a more specialised weapon. It does more damage to Specials and can act like a DMR for secondary slot if wanted to.

[sage shore]

i'm always for buffing damage on everything and then reducing the maximum ammo it can hold. The guns should feel like they pack a punch and put down the things you point them at but have it be limited so you're not just pulling the trigger just to pull it.

[light totem]

now if you want to talk about comparing a main and special... lets talk about the dmr and helgun

[mortal granite]

hel gun trash

end of story

[vale pecan]

DMR trash

end of story

[atomic escarp]

Helgun is like what the DMR should have been.

[light totem]

EXACTLY

[mortal granite]

it should

[light totem]

should what

[vale pecan]

^

[atomic escarp]

Hel gun is good, the sight make its aiming bad.

[mortal granite]

penetrate

[light totem]

oh, yeah

[vale pecan]

but it doesnt

which is an issue

[light totem]

then remove the helgun by that regard

[atomic escarp]

Nah, I like my helgun :(

[light totem]

just converge the two into one weapon in the primary slot

[atomic escarp]

The only thing I don't like about the weapons is that many weapons now converg into one making other weapons less regarded.

However, we needed the variety in this game desperately.

[vale pecan]

basically

get rid of helgun, make dmr pierce

i think that would be good

[light totem]

Yeah

thats what i meant by it

[atomic escarp]

Helgun is legit what the DMR should have been.

[vale pecan]

yeah

[light totem]

true

[vale pecan]

except the charge-up

[light totem]

but without the special perks

[atomic escarp]

Without the charge up and move it to primary, and get rid of the DMR. You made a solid contender. But you would need like a MG role in the secondary slot.

[mortal granite]

burst canon is good

but the charge up

[vale pecan]

fuck no

FUCK

[mortal granite]

it's too much

[vale pecan]

NO

You are trolling right now, 100%

[sage shore]

I'd be happy with the Helgun replacing the DMR and letting the Hel rifle remain it's own special

[light totem]

@atomic escarp exactly.... not special... just a primary precision weapon

[vale pecan]

DMR and Burst Cannon are probably the two worst weapons this rundown

[light totem]

true

[bronze coral]

lol burst cannon is ez mode

[vale pecan]

if not, very close to the worst

[light totem]

F-ing MP was more viable than both of them

[vale pecan]

burst cannon has zero ammo

[atomic escarp]

Yeah it's what it's supposed to be. It gives people the option to take a precision weapon.

[vale pecan]

has insane recoil

and should only be used for big boys

[bronze coral]

it's only meant for mummas and big strikers

if you're using anything but hammers on small strikers your doing it wrong anyway

[vale pecan]

but the sniper does its job better, in my opinion

[atomic escarp]

Nah, Burst cannon is good. I've legit play with people who go ham with it.

[sage shore]

burst cannon takes like 2 direct blasts to drop a giant, just snipe them once in the head and once in the chest and they drop. + sniper is more versatile then the Burst cannon

[vale pecan]

because it has more uses

than just big guys

[woven ice]

Burst can kill a giant with one charge

[bronze coral]

^

[light totem]

Burst cannon is trash, just use the sniper... it has way more utility than just heavy enemies

[vale pecan]

same as a sniper

[bronze coral]

sniper is only a one shot in the ociput

[woven ice]

machinegun on steroids

[light totem]

NOOOO

[vale pecan]

no

trash machinegun

machine gun was way better

[light totem]

MG was superior in every way

[mortal granite]

i like how when MG is gone

everything come to shit

HEHEHEHE

[vale pecan]

thats not why though

[light totem]

oof, actually true

[sage shore]

it might be able to kill a giant in 1 charge but the range it's needed to be effective is outdone by getting dunked on by smaller mobs while trying to line up the perfect shot when you can do the same with the sniper further away

[woven ice]

its better for cc of course

[light totem]

no

[woven ice]

mg that is

[atomic escarp]

This is what I say:

If you have worse aim, and are more CQB. You take burst cannon.

If you have good aim and know how to position and when to shoot. You take Sniper.

Sniper for life!

[vale pecan]

it cause some people are trying to promote DMR and Burst Cannon

[light totem]

for CC use combat sg

[bronze coral]

dmr is trash

always will be till it one shots strikers

[light totem]

yes

[vale pecan]

sniper is better than cannon

[bronze coral]

considering you can 2-3 shot them with a pistol now

[light totem]

thats what we have been saying

[bronze coral]

cannon is fun but sniper is better

but cannon stills good for run and gunning

[vale pecan]

cannon is not fun

[bronze coral]

makes d1 ez as shit

[mortal granite]

isn't pistol 2 - 3 shot striker back then?

[woven ice]

HAMMER OP

[vale pecan]

hammer is best gun

[light totem]

@woven ice Agreed

[bronze coral]

pistol 2 shots in oci

[vale pecan]

gavel, specifically

[bronze coral]

3 in head

[woven ice]

hammer strogn

[bronze coral]

or 2 head 1 body

[vale pecan]

i like how pistol is just better dmr

honestly

[atomic escarp]

I'd take DMR over pistol any day. I hate Pistol a lot more.

[light totem]

No

Pistol does more HS damage

[atomic escarp]

Like I really dislike Pistol.

[light totem]

more ammo efficiency

and better sights

[vale pecan]

just aim

[light totem]

and better reload

[atomic escarp]

No, I hate it. DMR is more suited to me.

[vale pecan]

fucking hell

But either way, there are better options than DMR

there are mains that do its job better

[atomic escarp]

DMR is also good for A3. If you still call it trash even on a map like A3 where range is key and a lot of open area. Then it's you, not the weapon.

[bronze coral]

rifles better, etc

pistol is better

[light totem]

any other primary is better than dmr

[vale pecan]

and if you really want range, just bring a rifle. not my favorite but still better than DMR

[hexed vapor]

@atomic escarp You don't understand the weapon balance, then.

[bronze coral]

dmr is fun but trash overall in balancing

[vale pecan]

its not fun

[bronze coral]

that it's problem

[vale pecan]

its infuriating to use

[bronze coral]

i find it fun, just useless

compared to any other gun

[atomic escarp]

Rifle is a really fun weapon.

[hexed vapor]

DMR can get at maximum 7 kills per ammo use. Rifle can get 11. Therefore, rifle outperforms it at long ranges.

[light totem]

if you want long range primary... use bullpup

Thank you

[hexed vapor]

Bullpup can get 13 kills per ammo use, so it's almost twice as good as DMR

[light totem]

i was goig to quote the stats but....

[vale pecan]

i agree with the second statement about it being useless, and good for you if you find it fun

the original argument was that DMR is garbage, not that it wasnt fun for some people to use

[light totem]

it is fun.... but bad

[hexed vapor]

Burst cannon sucks ass, it's competing for roles with better weapons like shotgun and sniper. The only reason it has higher damage is to compensate for garbage accuracy.

[light totem]

yes... exactly

[hexed vapor]

At best, burst cannon has a slightly higher kill potential against titans than sniper (3.5 vs 4)

[light totem]

ummm.... VS what

?

[mighty pond]

sniper

[light totem]

oh

[mighty pond]

oh, he edited it

[light totem]

ye

max of 12 kills on heavies with sniper

[bronze coral]

if everything ocipuss

[light totem]

whats that with the cannon

[bronze coral]

burst cannon is c1 cheese too

though sniper is too

and so is every other gun

[vale pecan]

how is it cheese

its garbo in c1

[sage shore]

I would rather shoot a giant across the room with a sniper then worry about missing 1-3 bullets from the burst cannon

[light totem]

sniper is the single most effective special

YES

[vale pecan]

give me one area where sniper or shotgun is not a better choice than burst cannon

[atomic escarp]

You take burst if you're shit at aiming and do a lot more CQB engagements.

[vale pecan]

in c1

no, just bring shotgun

not really

[light totem]

only two enemies dont go down with one shot from the sniper

[vale pecan]

not when you realize how bad it is

[light totem]

OOF

[vale pecan]

it is true

[light totem]

hmmm... it is

[bronze coral]

kite 2 big strikers for a back shot

one burst = 2ko

= ez game

[hexed vapor]

Haha, burst cannon go brrr

[lyric narwhal]

well i mean in terms of aim the sniper is still better cause if we say they have the same damage potential (like from back you can insta kill with both cannon and sniper) if you use sniper youre more likely to be able to get the kill because the sniper just has way better handling and the cannon you have to ultra-finesse your mouse every time you shoot to do the same thing with the sniper

[light totem]

what is overall ammo count on cannon?

[vale pecan]

70?

[sage shore]

imagine not just power sliding and beating down the giants with your charged hammer swing 4 times in a row.

[light totem]

yeah

imagine

[atomic escarp]

I guess all the people who I've seen carried first hand with burst cannon doesn't mean shit then 🤔

[vale pecan]

20 in mag, 50 in reserve?

idk

@sage shore agreed

[light totem]

i only use cannon for the mother

[vale pecan]

^

but even then

sniper is better

[light totem]

everyone else runs sg or sniper

[vale pecan]

we used two snipers to destroy the fucker

no cfoam

no fog

just a bit of a baby wave

[light totem]

no babies

[bronze coral]

but tbh end of the day no weapons matter except for killing mothers or big strikers

everything else gets hammered anyway

[atomic escarp]

I've killed it within 5 seconds with 4 snipers.

[hexed vapor]

If back strats work with burst cannon, they work with pump shotgun

[mighty pond]

I used to use cannon for mom, then I remembered the combat shotgun is a thing

[light totem]

@bronze coral true

[mighty pond]

I no longer use the cannon

[hexed vapor]

Which is why it's still trash in the face of competition.

[light totem]

yessss @mighty pond

[vale pecan]

but

hammer

[light totem]

then all noobs are [R] players now

[vale pecan]

lol

[atomic escarp]

Hammer best weapon in the game.

Change my mind.

[light totem]

i wont... because its true

[vale pecan]

is better

[mighty pond]

No reason to, it really do be

[vale pecan]

than sniper

no

it isnt

[light totem]

hmmm... so cannon is worse than sniper afterall

[hexed vapor]

Warden is meming, nerd

Just ignore him

[vale pecan]

so alerting the room is better

than stealthing

[bronze coral]

lol

[light totem]

no

[bronze coral]

you can kill a scout with a dmr, a revolver, almost anything in the game

if you're just sniping it when its not a ultra dense fog room

then its a waste

[mighty pond]

I don't completely disagree with using sniper to kill scout though, if you can kill rooms without taking damage even while they're alerted there isn't much of a reason not to use it

[bronze coral]

even d1 you can hammer the scouts

easy shit

just git gud

[atomic escarp]

No, sniper is straight superior. You can't do double take dows as easily with scouts which a sniper can do very easily.

[light totem]

ye

[vale pecan]

but listen

doc said no/oz

get good

[mighty pond]

No, sniper is straight superior. You can't do double take dows as easily with scouts which a sniper can do very easily.
Can confirm, have done this before

[vale pecan]

and learn how to hammer a scout

you fucking pussy

[light totem]

AC4 his ass

hidden blades confirmed?

[vale pecan]

please dont make me read an essay, Oz

[atomic escarp]

it's a superior weapon when you compare it to all the other weapons in the game when killing scouts. I always hammer scouts, best thing in the game.

But the sniper really shines when you can kill a scout, I killed 2 scouts at the same time. You can not do this as easily as other weapons.

[vale pecan]

you can do that with the hammer

[light totem]

same time?

hmmm

[vale pecan]

i dont disagree with bringing sniper for scouts in shitty spots

[atomic escarp]

Yes, same time.

[hexed vapor]

I've killed 3 in a row with hammer cause I ain't no bitch.

[vale pecan]

yeah

[light totem]

good

[mighty pond]

I mean, when you go to 611 you have the opportunity to do so lol

[atomic escarp]

Rayalot is a legend at killing scouts.

He's actually pretty sick with it.

[vale pecan]

the only time i agree with bringing a sniper for scouts is R2D2 if you can distance your self in the scout room so that you dont alert enemies as you kill the scouts

[atomic escarp]

I bring the sniper and I still melee the scouts

[light totem]

same

[vale pecan]

^

[light totem]

^

[atomic escarp]

So do I.

[vale pecan]

i bring sniper mostly for big guys

and mothers

[atomic escarp]

I'm a sniper main, and I still melee scouts.

Even when my team thinks I bring it to snipe the scout

[light totem]

so all in agreement sniper better than burst cannon

[cinder imp]

Doesn't go brr doe

[light totem]

doesnt need to if it kills them better

[bronze coral]

I mean weapon balancing doesnt really matter this rundown anyway

when its easy as fuck in general

[atomic escarp]

I always encourage people to allow me or get one of their teamates to 1 shot giants.

when its easy as fuck in general
Can relate.

[light totem]

what? why

its not hard at all

[bronze coral]

cause some people despite playing 50 hrs in this game are still trash

[light totem]

true

[bronze coral]

some people are incapable of critical thinking pass linear concepts

gun gos brrrrrr, wave goes grrrrrrr

[atomic escarp]

They go to 252?

[light totem]

yikes

[atomic escarp]

F

Mate, I thought people who meele scouts were legends untill I realised how it easy it was to do so.

[bronze coral]

more or less

especially now networking is improved again

last rundown it was alil rougher

[sage shore]

Imagine not shooting a scout in the head and dealing with the mobs. Sounds like weakness to me

[bronze coral]

when they used to glitch the fuck out

[mortal granite]

you have syringes

make it even easier to do it

[light totem]

true

[bronze coral]

my fav was hammering a scout that suddenly started flying

[light totem]

for the normal player

[atomic escarp]

Lol

[bronze coral]

but now its just ez cake

[desert steppe]

anyone finish R3D1 yet?

[lyric narwhal]

yes

[hexed vapor]

Special Striker Titan Kills per Ammo Use:
Revolver: 0.8
HEL rifle: 1.33 (4 max)
HEL gun: 1.33 (4 max)
Sniper: 1.75
Combat Shotgun: 1.8
Shotgun: 1.875
Burst Cannon: 2

[bronze coral]

tons of people

[sage shore]

Yee

[desert steppe]

you guys got any advice on how to?

[cinder imp]

git gud

[desert steppe]

since its so fkin hecktic

[atomic escarp]

Melee all the way

[light totem]

imagine having a life @atomic escarp

damn

[atomic escarp]

I fancy playing cod zombies.

[light totem]

idle on backround much

[vale pecan]

they left the game on

[light totem]

fair enough... we all do that

[sage shore]

My best advice for beating D1 is take smgs and combat shotguns and use the CS to stagger and then beat down enemies and save your smg for alarms and blast the fuck out of giants with your CS

[atomic escarp]

I only Idle when I forgot to close the game xD

[bronze coral]

D1, just smgs combat shotty

rush

[desert steppe]

aight well i appreciate the advice

[bronze coral]

hammers the whole way cept alarm doors

use combat shottys on large strikers

[light totem]

oof 173 here

[bronze coral]

by hitting twice to stagger

then get behind

and finish with back shots

[atomic escarp]

How the fuck can you guys play that much GTFO?

[light totem]

yes

[atomic escarp]

Like I can't.

[vale pecan]

345 hours here

[light totem]

also yikes

[vale pecan]

in the past month and a half

[bronze coral]

i want some dynamic / director styled maps

that change each time you do it

[vale pecan]

idk about the past two weeks

[bronze coral]

so we can get some replay value for the hardcore bois

[light totem]

ye

[vale pecan]

not much though

R3 isnt too fun

[light totem]

how about random scan types for doors

[bronze coral]

its fun the first few times

but gets boring pre quick

[atomic escarp]

I've only got 259, I feel like a baby child now.

[vale pecan]

and I took a break during the last week of R2

but

R3 is sooooooo boring

[bronze coral]

i want special mobs

[vale pecan]

the only good level is C1, the only hard level is D1

[bronze coral]

like shit that incapaciates people

[vale pecan]

imho

[bronze coral]

so you cant just kite forever

[vale pecan]

thats why chargers should be mainstream in game

so that you cant strafe everything

[bronze coral]

what do you mean mainstream?

[sage shore]

Every alarm door in D1 should be a surge alarm that spawns 2 brutes, 2 giants and several small mobs

[vale pecan]

put them in more levels

[light totem]

normal spawns

[bronze coral]

strikers are the #1 mob to kite lol

[atomic escarp]

I Fucking hate the new Kiting mechanics.

[light totem]

bugs... thats why

[vale pecan]

have them sleeping in regular room, not as many as in c1 but like

just have it sometimes

like how giants are

where they exist sometimes

[lyric narwhal]

best level

[bronze coral]

just add striker variations too, like not giants, but thick ones, small lanky fast ones, etc etc

[light totem]

yes

like 10 of them

[vale pecan]

lol

big alarm door to error door

[light totem]

i just hate they put an invisible barrier in the fog room shelves... no more parkour

[vale pecan]

with the crane and floating HSU

[light totem]

ye

[bronze coral]

i wish we still had dupe bug

so we could dupe the baby

and have like 10000 babies on the map

then use them as a weapon

[vale pecan]

When hammer skins get added

we need a Baby Hammer

just fucking

bash with HSU

[light totem]

yes

[atomic escarp]

I really, really like the mother.

[vale pecan]

yeah

[atomic escarp]

It's amazing game design.

[vale pecan]

yup

[light totem]

ye

[atomic escarp]

Really needed

[vale pecan]

what

[light totem]

ideas?

[vale pecan]

there are new objectives in R3?

ahhh

ok

ok

I see

[light totem]

baby press?

[vale pecan]

thats what you mean

[bronze coral]

@vale pecan i asked admins to add it in, they said they'd consider it if it got more votes

[vale pecan]

The Can Opener

Nice

[light totem]

we voted yes @bronze coral

[vale pecan]

I think that Zaero posted something about it

so look in gtfo game suggestions

[light totem]

ye'

[bronze coral]

appeanrlty there is also a desire to add in a air inflated hammer

that make sa bonk noise

[vale pecan]

lol

yes

[light totem]

yesss

[vale pecan]

ah nvm

[light totem]

bonk

[vale pecan]

i thought you were talking about the chargers

not the hsu hammer

[bronze coral]

i hope if they add cosmetics, it's like prisoner perk points for general skins then some like certain condition based ones

like finish a level with hammers only, or have sex with a scout without it alerting the room

[vale pecan]

what

WHAT

[light totem]

weekly mission with past missions to get special skins

[atomic escarp]

say sike right now

[light totem]

What @bronze coral

[lyric narwhal]

._.

[light totem]

hmmmm

[bronze coral]

or like

the birther

you have to rub it sensually

[light totem]

hentai stuff right there

[bronze coral]

as it gives birth

[light totem]

ive seen enough hentai to see where this is going

[lyric narwhal]

'i just cant put my finger on it'

[bronze coral]

im just saying, would be good stuff

[light totem]

i hope

[bronze coral]

omg

coudl you imagine

[light totem]

its in the roadmap

[bronze coral]

if they added a world leader character skin pack

and like the nazi zombies but instead

u get trump, ming, kim jong un and putin

[light totem]

yes

[bronze coral]

ye like that

[light totem]

Hitler skin confirmed?

@bronze coral

[bronze coral]

but tbh when i first saw the birther in b2, the only thought i had was "what that mouth do tho"

[light totem]

oof

[bronze coral]

do you think those giant flaps it has is cause it's given birth so many times?

[lyric narwhal]

@bronze coral its the ribcage

[light totem]

its just the ribcage xploded

[vale pecan]

yup yup

[light totem]

lungs probably burst out half of them

[bronze coral]

sure]

ribcage

potato- pota-yto

[vale pecan]

that's...

[bronze coral]

still see an entry there

[vale pecan]

what it is

ok and

[light totem]

i gives birth on the opposite side soooo

[bronze coral]

also did u know it has multiple faces

[vale pecan]

thats the entry to the body from the stomach

[bronze coral]

they're all nasty

[vale pecan]

it does not

its just skinned

its emerging from the face

[bronze coral]

look

the only thing

[light totem]

one.... with stretched out skin

[bronze coral]

i heard

that is important

is entry

[vale pecan]

the face is peeling

like a hood

[bronze coral]

no

[light totem]

ye

[bronze coral]

if you zoom with sniper

[vale pecan]

yes

[bronze coral]

it has multiple faces

in the skin

[light totem]

bruh

[vale pecan]

show me

SHOW

[bronze coral]

sec

[vale pecan]

ME

[bronze coral]

i got a pic of one

[light totem]

its the skin peeling off

[vale pecan]

uh huh

[bronze coral]

i didnt get al lof them

no

if you zoom

[light totem]

so everyone else

[bronze coral]

in the right spots

it has 3 heads

[vale pecan]

show it

[bronze coral]

sec

ill upload one in media

cant here

[vale pecan]

two halves of the skin and one muscly

[lyric narwhal]

you can see the feckin spinal cord

[vale pecan]

no

nononoo

isnt that spoiler though @bronze coral

if its in media

[bronze coral]

i put spoiler

mark on it

[atomic escarp]

Just DM it to them

[bronze coral]

its in media tho

[vale pecan]

just dm it to me and explain

[hexed vapor]

I like the movement speed buff because it means kiting is more difficult to be rewarded by and death is more closely tied to resources and player skill for utilizing their guns.

[frail elbow]

Not a fan of it either

[light totem]

its not a buff @hexed vapor

its a glitch

and confirmed by a few high ups

[atomic escarp]

Devs didn't disclose if they reverted the movespeed bug tho

[light totem]

they havent yet

[atomic escarp]

But it feels like after patch they were easier to kite

[light totem]

the range glitch was slightly fixed

not fully... no more giants with 48 meter attack range

[hexed vapor]

A bug and a buff aren't mutually exclusive

Considering they said they'd take feedback, I think that's more than enough reason to interpret the change as a buff in consideration.

[light totem]

yes they are... one is intentional... one isnt

[hexed vapor]

A buff is literally anything that makes something stronger.

[light totem]

nop

[atomic escarp]

Just made necessary corrections

[light totem]

a buff is intentional

[hexed vapor]

That's not how buffs are defined in common usage at all

Buff is a term used in some video games, especially MMORPGs and MUDs, to describe increases in the power of a game element. There are two main usages. The first describes a permanent (or at least indefinite) increase in power levels as a result of adjustments to game mechanics, usually in pursuit of game balance.

[light totem]

"adjustments to game mechanics, usually in pursuit of game balance" its a bug not a feature that they wanted to change

[hexed vapor]

Operating word is "usually"

You're guilty of a fallacy.

[calm vessel]

buffs can be through bugs or unintentional changes

[lyric narwhal]

we we usin fancy speak like "fallacy" youre master of 4 letter words not 7 letter words

[atomic escarp]

Yo I reckon the chargers are gonna have a remake of their models to the ones in the trading card for GTFO

[calm vessel]

indirect changes can also be buffs

[hexed vapor]

~∀x

[lyric narwhal]

now you are master of wingdings

[atomic escarp]

Just feels weird to me we haven’t seen this enemy before and the only time we ever seen horns on a enemy is the chargers

[light totem]

Its still not a buff... its a bug

[calm vessel]

its a buff though

[light totem]

no

[lyric narwhal]

tis a buffug

[calm vessel]

cuase it indirectly made them stronger

if it makes them stronger its a buff

even with a bug

they can get nerfed through a bug too

[light totem]

so would accidently giving the player inf health be a buff... or a bug?

[hexed vapor]

Not all buffs are intentional changes by the developers, being a change that increases the strength of something is a sufficient condition for being a buff.

Both, you dumbass

[calm vessel]

like the bugfix for the turrets is a nerf

[light totem]

just like the SG sentry multiplier "nerf" wasnt a nerf... it was a bug fix

[calm vessel]

it nerfed the turrets though

wtf

[hexed vapor]

It was a nerf and a bug fix

You're going against common usage

[calm vessel]

it reduced their dmg

which is a nerf

[light totem]

it wasnt a nerf... because it wasnt supposed to be like that in the first place

[hexed vapor]

Nobody is interested in your narrow and pedantic use of the words.

[calm vessel]

zzzzz

[lyric narwhal]

nerfugfix

[calm vessel]

holy fuck

but it reduced their overall power

doesnt matter how it was supposed to be

because it wasnt that to begin with

[hexed vapor]

cause to be weak or ineffective.

[lyric narwhal]

welcome to the vocabulary tab of the gtfo discord

[light totem]

BRUH... true

[calm vessel]

bugs can cause buffs and nerfs

[lyric narwhal]

my use of word better than yours unga bunga

[calm vessel]

if it makes it stronger whether it was intentional or not its still buffing the stats of it

its stronger than it was

its a buff

it they reduced the dmg on sleepers its a nerf because they do less

if a bug does it too and it wasnt intentional that is also a nerf because theyre doing less dmg

[hexed vapor]

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nerf?s=t
If we're going off of more common definitions, the dictionary wins out.

You're arguing for the sake of argument @light totem

[light totem]

Yeah.. you finally caught on

[calm vessel]

its nerf or nothin

[light totem]

thank you

i coulnt do this anymore

[atomic escarp]

What if they added a new enemy which will take 50% of your health, which made the other normal sleepers (shooters, strikers) also get the same damage unintentionally

Is that a bug or a buff?

[light totem]

Honestly... I couldnt care less either way

literally as master said before... I was trying to peeve everyone

[atomic escarp]

The argument just started to get on my nerves lol

[light totem]

Same... and i was trying to make it get on everyones nerves

yikes

[calm vessel]

so youre a cunt

[light totem]

I was so done by the end of it... also yes

in all seriousness... the word usage is irrelevant... its a change to the game regardless

[hexed vapor]

1. Everyone loves my daughter. [Premise]
2. My daughter loves only me. [Premise]
3. Therefore, I am my daughter. [From 1 and 2]

[light totem]

Wait a minute....

[vale pecan]

what

no

[hexed vapor]

It would be easier to show if I can formalize it...

[light totem]

is there a math equation to figure out the level of illegal that is

[hexed vapor]

Yes, discrete math. Turns out it's legal.

[light totem]

ahh... ok

perfect

[hexed vapor]

You wanna see a fallacy?

[light totem]

yes

[hexed vapor]

1. All bachelors are necessarily unmarried. [Premise]
2. John is a bachelor. [Premise]
3. Therefore, John is necessarily unmarried. [From 1 and 2]

[light totem]

yeah?

[hexed vapor]

Well clearly John can be married, no?

[light totem]

wait a minute

hmmmm

[hexed vapor]

1. It's impossible for a bachelor to be married.
2. John is a bachelor.
3. Therefore, it's impossible for John to be married.

[mortal granite]

what are we talking about

[light totem]

ummmmm

[lyric narwhal]

wtf is going on

[light totem]

dont worry bout it

[abstract gulch]

Oh boy, proofs

[light totem]

yikes

[hexed vapor]

It's a fallacy because it uses English to disguise the operators.

[light totem]

true

[hexed vapor]

It's the difference between:
"There is a person who must be the president of the United States in 2050."
and
"There must be a person who is the president of the United States in 2050."

[light totem]

right... F the English language

[velvet flower]

All natural language have the same issue of ambiguity.

[abstract gulch]

This is so pedantic to the point it comes across to me as meaningless.

[hexed vapor]

We're not really arguing about anything, or are you saying there's no difference between the two statements?

Because they are very distinct.

[light totem]

well yes... but actually no

[atomic escarp]

If its a bug or a buff

[abstract gulch]

I'm not saying that there isn't a difference.

[light totem]

Oh boy...

[abstract gulch]

I'm saying the difference is unhelpful for most purposes.

Like in a conversation the difference is unlikely to matter.

Though this does show the high standards proofs have to hold ground, which is important to itself.

It's just this example is a bit silly on the face of it.

[mortal granite]

bug

Fixed a bug

end of story

[light totem]

Nooo, not again

[hexed vapor]

"There is a person who must be the president of the United States in 2050."
A specific person, we'll call them Joe, is going to be president in 2050

"There must be a person who is the president of the United States in 2050."
There will be a president in 2050, but not anyone specific. Joe could be the president, but could just as easily not be.

[mortal granite]

are you the dev

or are they the devs

it's like you ignore the devs words and make your own opinion right

[abstract gulch]

I mean I more just felt the example itself was silly, not that the proof itself was actually an issue.

[hexed vapor]

Ah

[abstract gulch]

I hate working with proofs, but i respect their high standards.

[hexed vapor]

It's mostly an issue when trying to use modal logic.

Specifically in conjunction with predicate logic

[abstract gulch]

And this is why proofs exist, to make statements that don't do that.

I think.

It's been a while since ive worked with and learned about proofs

[hexed vapor]

I've mostly done them in my spare time.

[zenith crystal]

Props to you but i would never haha

[hexed vapor]

Well, I'll need to read Logic and Theism someday...

[abstract gulch]

Oh god

[hexed vapor]

Although I think I might already have the prerequisite knowledge to do so.

[abstract gulch]

GL with that

I'll stick to working on my degree to be a therapist/queer youth counselor person

[hexed vapor]

Aye.

[vestal mountain]

Alrighty now let's shimmy this chat back to GTFO shall we? ;)

[abstract gulch]

What's GTFO?

[hexed vapor]

Do objects have temporal parts?

[light totem]

oh no... lets not

[hexed vapor]

How does the mind interact with the body?

Does science give us truth?

[mortal granite]

#general

[abstract gulch]

Science does give us truth. I did science and found out you can one shot a scout with a revolver if you hit the occiput.

[hexed vapor]

Amen

[abstract gulch]

lmao

[calm vessel]

who funded this?

[light totem]

oof

[hexed vapor]

Yah, is there a conflict of interest?

[abstract gulch]

||Bo's insider trading||

[hexed vapor]

Big revolver is controlling the message.

[abstract gulch]

lmfao

[calm vessel]

lmao

[light totem]

science also figured out sniper is better than cannon

[vestal mountain]

^

[hexed vapor]

dab

[abstract gulch]

State of Truth AM denouncing the revolver industry when?

[hexed vapor]

Tbf, cannon and sniper are very similar choices. Sniper is just has more range and is more effective at weaking enemies like titan strikers and hybrids with one shot.

[vestal mountain]

I wonder if we are gonna get more State of Truth snippets in the future The audio logs were definitely my favourite part of this rundown

[light totem]

they were really cool the first time thru... now i just get annoyed by the sound

[abstract gulch]

I just did t like how the second one was in the fog lmao

[vestal mountain]

Did ya guys got the log in B2? 👀 from what I have been told by a friend peps tend to skip that one

[atomic escarp]

WHAT

[light totem]

listened to it once... but cant remember it too well

[abstract gulch]

There's one in b2?

Fuckin where?

[vestal mountain]

There is

Nothing major but it is still a log

[mossy yoke]

go hunting for it

[abstract gulch]

I just know about a1 and c1 logs

[vestal mountain]

^

As D0c said 👀

[abstract gulch]

I don't remember what the c1 log says anymore unfortunately

[light totem]

ikr

it be that way

[craggy summit]

I know one of the others is on dreyfus industries

[abstract gulch]

I think that's c1

[light totem]

ye

[vestal mountain]

There is also a nice one in D1 probs my second fav log ngl

Next to the audio ones

[light totem]

havent done that one yet.... never get decent player running the level

[abstract gulch]

My team beat it but never noticed a log

[light totem]

always the carried ones

[abstract gulch]

fuuuuuuck

[light totem]

same

[zenith crystal]

I don't know if this has happened to your character model but this is cool as hell https://imgur.com/a/UhxDJ0k

[abstract gulch]

i noticed that normally happens after you come back out to the menu

[zenith crystal]

I wonder why it causes it to look like that

[light totem]

ooh the render glitch

ive seen it a fair bit

[zenith crystal]

Woods lookin futuristic now

at least they didn't overstock on glowsticks

[light totem]

oof... even more useless

[zenith crystal]

Dont you have a slide with all the logs?

could you link it pls

thanks

[jolly raven]

do anyone have link for R3 spawn alarm scan?

[mortal granite]

?

nope

[jolly raven]

Ah

We cfoam on wrong door in B1

[atomic escarp]

R3 is pretty broad

[mortal granite]

B1 have many doors

[light totem]

yeah, it do be like that

[atomic escarp]

What door specifically?

[jolly raven]

area alarm door (big area)

[atomic escarp]

Like the big af red door?

[jolly raven]

We did that

in other room

small one

[atomic escarp]

What zone?

[jolly raven]

233C

If I remember correctly, we can leave one door open so they run to that door instead they select one of few doors?

right?

[atomic escarp]

Is that the door that leads to 3 more alarm doors in a big area?

[jolly raven]

ya

[atomic escarp]

There's only one door to foam up

[jolly raven]

232C alarm door is easy because there is one door

[atomic escarp]

I forget the zone numbers

sorry for misinfo

[cinder imp]

Btw it's a buff

[atomic escarp]

What is?

[cinder imp]

Monster speed

[atomic escarp]

Nice

[jolly raven]

Yup, they run so fast

[light totem]

yes

as has been stated many,many times

[jolly raven]

we will try leave one door open and see if they run to it so we can close then throw cfoam to it

than guess which door

[atomic escarp]

Its a matter of RNG on which door they go to if you're going for one of 2 doors you need to do for the uplink

But for the warden door and the other door you only need to worry about 1 pathway

[jolly raven]

Ah, I see

@atomic escarp see #gtfo-media

[atomic escarp]

So you guys were doing the warden door or one of the other 2 doors?

[jolly raven]

one of the other door

we did done warden door

[glass sundial]

Yeah the C1 one log is how Dreyfus is inside you

Also popcorn

[rare crane]

personally

[glass sundial]

That log was funny to me

12/10 comedy writing

[rare crane]

Dreyfus lowkey in me without consent

😳

[atomic escarp]

That popcorn? Dreyfus

That bowl? Dreyfus

[jolly raven]

yay we did it. Thanks

[atomic escarp]

That hotel? Dreyfus

[glass sundial]

[rare crane]

trivago? dreyfus.

[atomic escarp]

Your girlfriend? Dreyfus

[rare crane]

yoooo

since gtfo takes place some time by the 2050's

what if the lore is based off stuff existing in present day

like some parts

[split knoll]

I'm sure people who know way more will jump on this, but it definitely is. I believe there is an actual mining facility at this location.

[sullen sigil]

Environment 1: drill site

R3A3 is Environment 1

[rare crane]

cause louis Dreyfus industries is a global leading company in agriculture, Food processing and Transportation.

uhmm

R3A3 is refinery

A2 is dig site

A1 is lab

[sullen sigil]

A2 has infecty fog tho

[rare crane]

yeah

and its the dig site

[sullen sigil]

:hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:

Lies

[rare crane]

B1 is digsite

[split knoll]

Huh, hadn't noticed that. Anyone else sense a copyright claim coming?

[rare crane]

odds are unlikey

as its not the actual company name

the full name is louis-Dreyfus Company

meanwhile in GTFO its Dreyfus industries

[sullen sigil]

I thought santonain??

[rare crane]

so its most likely just a mirrored counterpart with a name change to avoid that

[sullen sigil]

10 chambers throwing shade

[rare crane]

in gtfo

not in irl no im not fixing this one

[sullen sigil]

in in real life

[rare crane]

irl its the Louis-Dreyfus Company

[sullen sigil]

irl = "in real life"
in irl - > in in real life

[light totem]

oof

[vale pecan]

lol

I mean

the objective names with the HSU involved

should be stuff like

Baby Centrifuge

Baby Can Opener

[light totem]

wait a min.... thats illegal

[vale pecan]

Claw Machine

[mighty pond]

I've always called them the centrifuge and juicer

[vale pecan]

D1

but the thing is a pressurizer

in b2

[light totem]

baby pressurizer

[light totem]

@mossy yoke Why is there an invisible wall on the shelves in the C1 fog room? Parkouring that room was the best

[mossy yoke]

Heh

[light totem]

wow

whyyyyy

[vale pecan]

please

it was fun

but now its just

DENIED

[light totem]

just hit invisible wat mid-air. yeah 20 fall damage now

[obtuse surge]

kind of feel like there should at least have been some actual prop there

a smart player will now attempt to jump it

and just get punished because of the invisible wall

wasn't even an issue that people parkoured there considering that you can run through it pretty fast either way

as well as being showered with disinfect packs in that zone

[light totem]

and fogs.... its a pointless change

[obtuse surge]

pointless change that punished players that attempt to take a more strategic approach

[light totem]

yeah...

[pliant shard]

R3e1 all parkour map

[light totem]

you dont even take fall damage so stfu

[pliant shard]

You don’t take fall dmg? What

[light totem]

you aint a climbable unless 80% of your health loss is because of falling

[pliant shard]

Fall dmg is fall dmg tho doesn’t matter what amount

[light totem]

no

80% or nothing

[cinder imp]

@mossy yoke Why is there an invisible wall on the shelves in the C1 fog room? Parkouring that room was the best
@light totem No fun allowed lol. A giant spawning on you is fun however

[light totem]

oof, ikr

love when you get insta downed around a corner

[devout river]

Wow I sure am looking forward to that

[mossy yoke]

that's just caused by spawn zones being too small and with the characters at times being spread out the enemies don't have a safe place to spawn. it's something on my list to be looked into for improving in the future.

[nocturne flax]

they test those maps for bugs and "balance"

and none of those individuals tought of saying

"hey maybe we can add an extra room so enemies can spawn in there and not inside of players"

[mossy yoke]

we try our best, both can't catch everything and not everything can be fixed in the time given

[nocturne flax]

so you didnt catch that giant spawning on you

[mighty pond]

It isn't a huge issue if you don't spread yourselves out into every room

[nocturne flax]

the enemies are fast as hell this rundown you can put some default empty room so you can have them spawn in there

there gonna catch up to you anyways

theyre like Ferraris now

[mighty pond]

Also how would adding an extra room assist in that, especially if the player can enter that room and have the same issue that already occurs happen again

[nocturne flax]

i just had a match

[pliant shard]

the enemies are fast as hell this rundown you can put some default empty room so you can have them spawn in there
@nocturne flax they got their new Jordan’s from the warden. Gave them +10 speed

[nocturne flax]

where i just drop and the second i wento to save the right door theyll came for spawn

[mighty pond]

lol Michal

[nocturne flax]

i wasnt even 2 zones away

right after spawning mind you

i didnt even finish crossing the doorway

adding some random empty rooms will help i can assure you

[mossy yoke]

if a player is in a room, the game will try not to spawn enemies in there. if a player is in all rooms available that enemies could spawn in meaning they don't have a place to spawn, they can spawn anywhere. you're more/less spawn camping the enemies. it sucks getting them spawned on you and as i said, it's something we're looking into improving.

[oblique peak]

interesting

although ngl the chance of them spawning on top of you seems fairly frequent

[mortal granite]

this is just R2C2

where i can manipulate the spawn

and with D1 being a total cramp

my manip are easier to do

[obtuse surge]

definitely does need improving considering that they'll sometimes spawn on you in duos, there's 3 rooms and only 2 of us

we can't be in all 3 rooms

[mortal granite]

they will choose one person to set the spawn

especially the giant

they spawn after 5 seconds - 10 seconds

[knotty sphinx]

LOL

[atomic escarp]

Ez

[gleaming moth]

Yo anyone know strats for killing the baby spawning fucker on B2

Like does it have a certain amount of waves it spawns

[burnt goblet]

Ha, Cfoaming the Mother is for c h u m p s

[patent light]

the dad shit in d1

we had one of the babies glitch after clearing the whole wave

and it was just sitting there dancing lmao

[mortal granite]

if you kill the baby too fast

they tend to be stuck

[robust hemlock]

Can anybody tell me when we encounter new enemies? been here since rundown 1 so anything new?

Havent made it to lower levels yet

[glass sierra]

B2 and D1

[robust hemlock]

What are they? I think its okay to say since its spoiler chat xdd

[molten cedar]

your mum in B2

[robust hemlock]

damn thats pretty scary

[molten cedar]

also chargers are back C1

[mortal granite]

YO MAMA

[robust hemlock]

there were babies in A1?

Where?

[mortal granite]

R2E1

[robust hemlock]

Where in the level? I didnt see them

[molten cedar]

there were sacs in A1?

im pretty sure there isnt

[woeful lintel]

Can Hel Rifle oneshot Charger ?

[molten cedar]

in the back

probs not in the front

[woeful lintel]

how about front

[molten cedar]

idk

[mortal granite]

nope

can't kill them

[woeful lintel]

k thanks alpha

[molten cedar]

???

thats a striker?

[mortal granite]

wut?

the spore?

[molten cedar]

Captain can u confirm there are sacs in a1?

let me run down there real quick

[velvet flower]

Hard to say "sacs" are new "enemies" since they do nothing.

[mortal granite]

no sacs in A1

[velvet flower]

So there are stirker children spawned w/o birther? That's new for me.

[molten cedar]

i see no sacs

[mortal granite]

there is no sacs in A1

but

in the trailer

so

speaking of Momma

anyone here try to kill Momma with mines before?

that's still don't work

i've done that with 9 mines

almost no damage taken

there's no ceiling in B2

at momma

i put on the wall

pointed at tumor

didn't die after 12 mines

i don't if it have to trigger all the mines at the same time

or blow 1 after another

but baby die in 1 hit

ewll

well

if you kill birther in 1 hit

then there is no baby

correction: 1 nuke

[cinder imp]

So D1 is a bit more interesting after SS nerf

I mean it's still pretty much the same strategy, but now you actually have to shoot more of the waves, they don't just dissapear

[glass sundial]

I still haven't seen people try burst sentry to clear the babies

[mortal granite]

i still haven't seen people try burst sentry

there

FIFY

[atomic escarp]

just sit on its orfice with a shotgun

[glass sundial]

Idk

With the shotgun sentry placements I've seen...

90% of people who always run sentry should switch to burst

[mortal granite]

they should

or else

R4 come and there is no shotgun sentry

they're gonna be pissed