yeah, not sure what's new there
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
craggy summit
turbid cliff
ok
turbid cliff
kek yeah, R3 you actually start at the last tiers and make your way back up, its "expeditions" are now actually checkpoints or segments of the map like half-life
atomic escarp
Oh my god
That's really neat idea but I don't think they would do that.
If we are on like rundown 11, that means the place would be extremely huge and would interfere with lore.
atomic escarp
"Special event Rundown"
atomic escarp
that actually sounds really fun
devout citrus
hexed vapor
@atomic escarp @mortal granite Too many A expeditions. Considering it's an introductory tier and would be a lot of development time for presumably little payoff, I doubt there are more than 2 expeditions on the A tier.
mortal granite
remember E12?
atomic escarp
Maybe you are right, but it woudnt be that bad if you have more than 2 A tier expeditions, 1st for (maybe) a better introduction about the neo hsu / vessel, 2nd why not, try something different 😄 R1 and R2 had/have only one A tier
mortal granite
they worked the next rundown before they release the current rundown
mossy yoke
The screenshot in the article is correct, there are 3 A-tier expeditions
subtle vault
That's hot
tranquil ginkgo
I hope we still get some E-Tier levels in terms of difficulty
subtle vault
Ya
A1 A2 A3
B1
C1 C2 C3
D1
That's my guess on what the R3 work order will look like
mossy yoke
This rundown will have up to D tier. They try to keep the tier the same rough difficulty as previous expeditions of that tier more/less with some adjustments. So a D tier won't suddenly become an E tier.
tranquil ginkgo
Makes sense, looking forward to it anyway
hexed vapor
Missed the screenshot?
subtle vault
I like that
mossy yoke
that's kinda what allows them to stay a small team and make lots of content, by creating rooms, then re-using them, of course being sure not to over-use them, make some adjustments, etc
of course they are always developing more rooms
hexed vapor
It's not like the reactor rooms get much use, though.
Each reactor has only been used twice, which is pretty good
hexed vapor
This reactor looks like it will be one of the good ones, though, since the terminal is facing us and yet there is a door in the back end of the room that appears closed
Oh yah, what happened to the old B tier reactor scrapped in R2?
Will there ever be dig site reactors, or was that just an idea at the time?
muted oyster
They've had alot of ideas that probably havnt worked out. So they were put on the shelf.
Doesn't mean we wont ever see them
I once upon a time heard of a Lightning enemy that would shock turrets stopping them from functioning
was a really cool concept
Sadly, I can't wait for this rundown to go away. I hated this rundown, it strayed too far away from what i believe made the first rundown great and unique.
calm vessel
this rundown was good
mossy yoke
don't know what you're talking about Rayalot
calm vessel
but it was to easy
muted oyster
A1 to C1 was OK but everything after it was lame
muted oyster
Also too easy?... I wanna play with you and see how ur doing things... I can only assume ur cheesing
subtle vault
I want my chargers back
subtle vault
Chargers were the best enemy's
calm vessel
miss chargers
muted oyster
see for me the Fog ruins the game for me. I enjoyed all the stealth stuff and alot of this rundown removes that
mortal granite
the fog can be push by fog repeller
people just afraid of using those and run out
subtle vault
What happend to that fog turbine we got in B4
subtle vault
🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝
mortal granite
and people tend to get 2 fog turbines
muted oyster
lol... still you pick up a battery or turbine and become a mule
wish u could use ur secondary or something while carrying it
subtle vault
Sniper in one hand and the cell in the other
muted oyster
OR ... yaknow put it on your back to carry like ur character does when they climb a ladder lol
GTFO now partnered with Hideo...
Wait... does this mean this is going to be the "Mental status" rundown?
mossy jewel
No. He’s just making the joke
mossy jewel
😂😂
That does raise the question tho. Why were there babies or at least like a ivf station/system(whatever) down in a lab/mining operation.
calm vessel
then that raises tje question why are there cryo pods?
mossy yoke
ebon slate
Cloning? like force breading children to raise as miners or solders? nah, that's nothing
mossy jewel
Who knows if the cryopods down in the area are even active. We know ours are at the start of the missions. But the rest of them don’t seem to be connected to a power source
calm vessel
they are, we got someones DNA from R1A1
calm vessel
we start off in HSU every drop
mossy jewel
That’s the thing. Something or someone’s DNA. Doesn’t mean they have to be alive. DNA can be skin, blood, hair.
mossy jewel
Yea go on
ebon slate
I can't post pictures in here, it would go in the media channel
and i am too lazy to do that for a dumb bit
mossy jewel
Haha
ebon slate
anyway so the game is set in Mexico (technically) you know what else was buried in Mexico?
The Atari game ET, you know what the baby in the pod in the new teaser poster looks like?
That's right ET
mossy jewel
Haha. We’re collecting stuff
ebon slate
This game is actually a setup to the new Stephen Spielberg Movie "ET: Phones home"
mossy jewel
Et
ebon slate
I am now going to make a image to justify this joke post that i apologise for
i want to delete that
mortal granite
eat the baby
mossy yoke
Drifter is from Destiny.. (or am I missing the /s.. I think I am)
ebon slate
I think it's a /s moment
calm vessel
daddy drifter?
ebon slate
Wait, there is a drifter in this game now? Multi-track drifting?? DEJA VU
eurobeat intensifies
Remind me to mute this channel on the 10th of June so I can play Rundown 3 without spoiilers
woeful lintel
Do we have enemy and weapon stats from data mining ? or it is not allowed ?
mortal granite
it is not allowed to datamine
plucky summit
you can figure it out by testing it all.
subtle vault
Or by checking the wiki
sullen sigil
Or by shooting your friends
subtle vault
For enemy state check the wiki
And for guns
Well have a mate take one for the team
hexed vapor
@woeful lintel We have weapon stats based on team damage
Me and a friend are debating a tier list for the levels. Input would be appreciated (and we have some basic arguments for where entries are placed).
R2:
S: D2
A: C1 D1
B: B1 B2 B3 B4 C2
C: A1
D: E1
R1:
S:
A: A1 C2 D1
B: B2
C: B1
D: C1
-S tier is for the best levels in the game which would be very hard to top, excelling at almost all elements.
-A tier is for levels which are much better than average, but have flaws.
-B tier is for generally good levels that meet expectations but don't really excel in any way.
-C tier is for levels which are flawed but which have redeeming qualities; they are decent levels that need improvement.
-D tier is for levels which are riddled with problems that make bring them down to the extent that the entire experience is compromised, even if the level has its charms.
I think B1 could probably be knocked down. It's a very rudimentary tutorial that doesn't really force you to face anything and only sort of challenges you on those topics.
The alarm path was definitely the weakest, a result of the time and the devs' conception of what a hard alarm is (class III is a bit weak in hindsight, especially considering it was so common). The fact that B1 was also, by far, the easiest level to solo is somewhat telling to the fact that the different paths, as a result of focusing on only really one thing each, were a bit dull, and weren't even that hard to cope with if you fucked up (compare this to B2, where one alert in some areas of 265 sends your team sprawling; R1B1's 39 and 40 might send your team sprawling if you alerted the entire zone at once).
I have lowered it
hexed vapor
Is that because of actual problems with the level, though?
Because it seems remarkably well balanced and interesting mechanically.
mortal granite
S for D2 is a bit much don't you think?
hexed vapor
No, not really.
pseudo pumice
bc i didnt buy a tower defense game
mortal granite
C1 and C2 are better imo
pseudo pumice
thats just my opinion tho
mortal granite
D2 have a massive amount of resources just like E1
there is people who have said that: if you failed the alarm 3 times, you still have resources to finish the level
hexed vapor
D2 I don't think is particularly overboard on resources, especially if it's designed to give the players room for some failures and to demand they loot fully.
mortal granite
it's overboard
hexed vapor
The vast majority of teams will lose after 2 failed waves.
hexed vapor
That isn't the case.
Tool wise, 198 has two or three 2 uses, one 4 use, and one 5 use.
And it's the hardest zone to loot.
hexed vapor
Requires you have enough time to do so
mortal granite
shotgun sentry is a destroyer in that zone
hexed vapor
All levels will just be easier if your team is very good at the game, and D2 is no exception.
hexed vapor
The resources are quite tight on teams which don't loot properly, fail waves, or aren't conservative with sentries.
mortal granite
they move really slow through that zone
hexed vapor
Which also has to do with the sort of "time trial"
mortal granite
the time trial is depend on team
hexed vapor
Teams which are much worse at fast stealth or managing pulled rooms will have much less loot because they won't buy themselves enough time.
mortal granite
if they tackle them in stealth that would take too much time
and like i said
you can just blast them all and you still have resources to spare
hexed vapor
the time trial is depend on team
That's my point. The difficulty is dependent on individual skill, which is why D2 will either be very tight or very loose in terms of the resources you have.
mortal granite
it's like E1 but with a timer
and that's resources for a team of 4
c1 however
it's tight on resources
even for solo player
hexed vapor
I could make the same argument that it's not, lol
If you know what you're doing, you should have plenty of everything by managing what you have in 204.
mortal granite
in that case
i can use my first try D2 as an argument
we don't know what to do
failed 3 attempts
and still have resources to fight
that's both every zone + reactor
hexed vapor
My first D2 was also a first try, but that's because I played with people with similar experience.
hexed vapor
That doesn't decide the balance of the level.
nocturne flax
yeah but hes talking about individual skill of every teammate if you have good teammates that know how to play then of course your gonna be good on resources
hexed vapor
Optimal play resulting in a very wealthy supply does not indicate a balance issue. The vast majority of players got stuck on D2, and a lot of PuGs I run with I can recognize just don't have what it takes to play the level and come out with even a small surplus in terms of some of our resources.
mortal granite
i guess everyone has different taste
what i found?
R3 roadmap disappear?
@hexed vapor but the different between E1 and D2
both are "hard"
both have "a lot of resources"
hexed vapor
D2's difficulty is both not dependent on resources and built to vary in resources depending on player skill.
E1's difficulty drops significantly because of a lot of resources, is not difficult to loot fully, and has other issues.
The only resource on D2 that's really abundant is ammunition, and some teams even run out of that.
Meds are rare and tool is very constrained.
Ammo doesn't matter too much in practice, it mostly enables the alert-heavy strategies but doesn't particularly ease a lot of the rest of the level.
prime valve
I agree with @hexed vapor D2 requires full concentration and coordination in order to clear every single wave in the reactor room (not mentioning you need a good aiming too).
When E1 is way more about kiting and knowing basic mechanics like clearing rooms silently or make chokepoints to be aggressive on certain rooms.
mortal granite
isn't B1 teach you how to kite?
hexed vapor
It rewards the combat skill-set, which includes kiting.
forest horizon
Hm, no official announcement of the release date yet
craggy summit
guess they are keeping it exclusive to that website for a bit
mortal granite
isn't the release day is 11/06?
mortal granite
but still in june i think
wild inlet
yeah
regal harbor
didn't the rundown timer have /16/ on it?
lyric narwhal
it also has a 3 and 4 at some points
lyric narwhal
yeah thats whats weirdin me out the 3 and 4 are in the month slot
regal harbor
summer holidays in sweden start on the 10th/15th for malmo so
if they're shootin to get it out before then, then 11 is quite possible but 16 doesn't seem out of reach
atomic escarp
Wheres the announcement
lucid moon
paper beacon
@atomic escarp what does PR mean?
velvet flower
public relations
paper beacon
ty ^^
turbid cliff
🤔
brittle crescent
rain heron
any trailer??
mortal granite
a week or so
mortal granite
June 11th, 1 PM CET
stiff cave
That ?enemy? walking HSU is concerning.
mortal granite
?
stiff cave
In the tweet
stiff cave
O_o haha what
That's the neonate?
i see it now, definitely saw the backwards as the hands coming out of the hsu
mortal granite
so
we still have the neonate
and we'll have to go through R3 to do something with it
stiff cave
Did something like that carry over from R1 to R2?
forest horizon
No
forest horizon
It looks like the neonate was the original objective all along
mortal granite
it's like we activate the reactor from R1D1 just so we can go to R2A1
forest horizon
Everything else was just getting to it
stiff cave
o cool, my group hasn't been able to get that far into each rundown but its good to hear that a story is being woven across them
mossy yoke
no weapons are silent
tribal cosmos
what about penetration?
mortal granite
yes
stiff cave
It's likely that the weapons are relatively quiet
stiff cave
o so it just has penetration?
mortal granite
ye
turbid cliff
gonna have to be more specific than that
tribal cosmos
silent after 50 m range if is in another room
atomic escarp
^
tribal cosmos
thats good to know
turbid cliff
what's this about "another room"
calm vessel
some rooms are split into two rooms so if a sleeper aggros it wont aggro the other half
tribal cosmos
are they gonna replace some of the old weapons?
calm vessel
and if you shoot through multiple rooms it doesnt aggro either
turbid cliff
i imagine mg and br are gonna be reduced to atoms
mp looked like it stays, maybe a different model of the same weapon
not sure about shotgun sentry
turbid cliff
add br scope on burst sentry, maybe that'll help it aim better 
calm vessel
lol
tribal cosmos
but this time they only gave people a month and half to finish D2 and E1
calm vessel
i think thats more than enough
harsh pelican
gauss gun sentry when
calm vessel
a lot of time for two missions
tribal cosmos
not really for some of the new players
took my group 3 weeks to finish E1
and we were just lucky about the spawns
calm vessel
its not like they predict when people buy the game
calm vessel
i do think the level design is bad though
for the surge
and then people complain about kiting lol
tribal cosmos
but stealthing is kinda ruined in this rundown if i have to say
since you can just kite
calm vessel
saying its an exploit when its just a fundamental
you can complete every level except E1 without kiting
tribal cosmos
at this point im just shotguning all the scouts i see and kill the rest
tribal cosmos
ye someone suggested that to add a bigger hit box on the sleeps so you cant jump over it
D2 is indeed fun
E1 is just constantly praying for luck
calm vessel
i dont htink that will help anything
then you just get fucked by everything
its just giving more power to sleepers
and we just get dicked on
calm vessel
you shouldnt power creep
forest horizon
Being able to retreat is a fundamental mechanic
calm vessel
^
calm vessel
if you cant peel back or kite, then youre not using your brain
back peddling and baiting is in almost every fps
forest horizon
Although I do hate how ping makes a really significant difference in kiting
calm vessel
if its pvp or pve
turbid cliff
what neon said
calm vessel
yea they need a better dodge mechanic
turbid cliff
x10
craggy summit
Yeah, having higher latency makes it so much harder
forest horizon
The current dodge mechanic is weak af
turbid cliff
not just having higher latency, but overall host vs client
forest horizon
Bunnyhopping should not be a required thing to kite
turbid cliff
huge difference in how the game plays
calm vessel
bunny hoping isnt kiting
forest horizon
Its to avoid getting hit
turbid cliff
bhop is not a required thing to kite tho
calm vessel
you can run away without bhopping
forest horizon
How is it not? You can get hit way easier
calm vessel
if you run past them then you do to not take dmg but thats the games fault
turbid cliff
you won't get hit if you run to the side either
forest horizon
If you are running through enemies you will get hit unless you bhop 9/10 times
pastel ice
Went from training to kiting
calm vessel
training and kiting are basically the same thing
imagine if people in zombies said training is an exploit 
forest horizon
Idk what you guys are talking about, I can't run through a crowd of enemies without getting hit unless I bhop most of the time
pastel ice
Lol
forest horizon
Thats what every solo speedruneer does too
calm vessel
bhopping in its own isnt kiting
forest horizon
Its part of kiting since you are trying to run AND avoid taking damage
calm vessel
yea but its not kiting
you can simply kite by leading them
and just move when theyre near
pastel ice
Kiting isn't really an exploit anyways.
calm vessel
you dont need to do any bhopping to achieve that
forest horizon
If you have a lot of health and don't care then sure
calm vessel
people are saying it is, but probably because they think thats the only way to live lol
forest horizon
But you will lose a lot of health without bhop when you inevitably have to run with sleepers in front of you
pastel ice
Because something works = exploit.
calm vessel
for the first two surge doors you dont need any bhop
the constant alarm is different though because its a tighter area
knowing the sleeper tongue radius and attack pattern and using it to your advantage = exploit
knowing how the game works = exploit
pastel ice
Should just increase all enemy movement speeds by 2x, easy kiting fix. But then people would complain about it all day.
forest horizon
Kiting is clearly an intended mechanic so
calm vessel
they should add in a mechanic where they become blood lusted and instead of tongue they run really fast and slap you
they wont miss that way
feral token
forest horizon
Its really just bad AI pathing that makes kiting work so well
pastel ice
Or give enemies teleportation.
forest horizon
Like the kite to spawn from 593 in E1
pastel ice
Despawn and respawn on player location? Neat.
calm vessel
if they gave them melee it wouldnt be so bad
despawn would suck as if you did a strat to pull them into a kill box its ruined now
turbid cliff
laughs in chargers
forest horizon
Speaking of, we better see those again
calm vessel
if sleepers stop when using their tongue theyre always gonna be lagging behind and it enables kiting much more
turbid cliff
what the fuck is lore
tribal cosmos
shadow giants: laughts*
calm vessel
lol
mortal granite
literally playing E1 blind
mellow creek
imagine a new factor where when scout screams, the summons are buffed. higher stagger resist/ able to do a mini hop to attacxk l0l
hahahhahaha
imagine turning around and u see 1000000000000 hopping sleepers
turbid cliff
can't wait to see all the shit pathing we'd get with that
calm vessel
theyre gonna get a bug where they hit a wall when jump like us
calm vessel
how about an enemy that looks at you, you die
mellow creek
maybe a new event triggers
if too many sleepers are around and the cap has been hit, half of it will combine to merge into one new species
while more sleepers spawns
🤣
a bait enermy
like the angelfish
woven ice
What if u get it aggroed? SELF DESTRUCT IN SEQUENCE!!!
forest horizon
what about an enemy that doesn't attack you but simply runs away when it detects you and alerts every room it runs into and starts screaming in
10/10 gameplay
calm vessel
what about a regenerator type enemy from dead space that is a constant threat but he only way to get rid of it is freezing or burning it. and c-foam temporally stops it
subtle vault
The carbine has the same name as the SMG
shy vessel
people who built the complex sure love reactors
calm vessel
They gotta power their minimal lights lol
hexed vapor
We're really excited for you guys to be able to experience this Rundown. It will answer some questions you've had, and will make you ask others. Those of you who have been around a while may even recognize a few things.
CHARGERS
pliant shard
Maybe those from pre rundown 1?
sullen sigil
The baby is actually ||a snack we are bringing to the warden||
hexed vapor
Don't think there were alpha specific enemies?
burnt wedge
I just wished sleepers didn't have the tongue pre primed like round a corner and bop you take a hit even though you've been trying to catch it off guard instead you get thr bop
sullen sigil
Listen for it
burnt wedge
The team I run with can't get past transmission and ??? And with r3 coming soon looks like we won't get to enjoy lugging a baby around
hexed vapor
I mean, if the C tier is a problem it's the least of your worries. You would get stuck on D1, absolutely.
burnt wedge
Oh I know we would. We struggle badly
Finally got to see the shadows and were rekt right away
burnt wedge
Didn't get to them in rundown 1
smoky pier
ancient saffron
Do black charger dudes appear in E1
hexed vapor
||No.||
burnt wedge
I hope we can get further down to get to the story
subtle stratus
dark ingot
I did see the R3A3 yeah
That excited me bc I liked speedrunning As much more than suffering on E
Ah okay
regal harbor
inb4 an A-level is hard as shit
dark ingot
Lol
mortal granite
so
dark ingot
I know before the roadmap page E stage design was specifically excluded from Rundown 3
mortal granite
because there is no E level
dark ingot
Or maybe stage completion data has indiciated they don't like the direction E is going
mortal granite
well
dark ingot
I'm not sure how popular/successful the long slog missions are
mortal granite
E suppose to be HARD?
dark ingot
biased of course but
I think it would be unfair to pretend E isn't hard
Sure it can be mastered with time but it's absolutely no joke and not short
mortal granite
you can blaze through all the first segment in less than 30 minutes
dark ingot
Yeah
mortal granite
D2 is kinda easy too
dark ingot
D2 innovated on the c1 formula in a fun way
regal harbor
defend the thing AND go out into bullshit
mortal granite
D2 is defend the thing while going to get the thing
dark ingot
I just don't see myself beating E1 this time around
I respect it but the time commitment and mental strain it's already caused has discouraged me lol
regal harbor
my team stalled for like a month on C1 kinda because of covid so
that shot our chances of E1 completion
unless we can do 3 levels in 9 days
mortal granite
ye
dark ingot
my team gave up by Cs so I LFGd my way through Cs and Ds
regal harbor
we did the Cs
mortal granite
D1 is just a pain in the arse
mortal granite
D2 gonna be a blast
worldly bison
what nerfs did they get may i ask?
just tried out c2 so im curious. it's kinda intense haha
regal harbor
i feel like C2 got upped in difficulty
worldly bison
jeeezz
mortal granite
now they spawn 45 second each
mossy yoke
just because it's at the top of the rundown doesn't mean it's gonna be easier
@regal harbor The devs try to keep A tiers to be roughly A tier difficulty even across expeditions, but still are adjusting difficulty to find the sweet spot. They aren't going to suddenly make D tier as difficult as E tier..
There is also only A through D tiers this rundown
regal harbor
because i feel like having a hard A level would be something they'd do
dark ingot
can't say i'm too bummed about that I'd much rather have shorter harder excursions
mossy yoke
They aren't going to make A a really hard level, it's an introductory level for new players
regal harbor
@hexed vapor I thought there were 6?
mortal granite
"tutorial"
dark ingot
I also definitely support more As yeah
The difficulty jump from A1 to B1 turned a lot of people off this rundown i think
regal harbor
right on, i just feel like you can never really know what 10cc will do
@atomic escarp expeditions
mortal granite
tutorial
regal harbor
oh
hexed vapor
The German article said 7
mossy yoke
There are 7 expeditions in R3
regal harbor
idk why 6 stuck in my head
dark ingot
much more managable
regal harbor
i'm hoping for more things that mix it up like C2
regal harbor
C2 was fun because of the rush and the difference from crouching around and staying quiet
dark ingot
hold on lemme check I think b2 was confirmed
regal harbor
idk it makes sense that there would be more B levs than C
hexed vapor
Low difficulty rundown would be a bit dull, though
regal harbor
inb4 D1 impossible
dark ingot
can't be worse than 2e1
mortal granite
why not
dark ingot
excited to see warden twitter clear rates for this rundown
mortal granite
the lower level suppose to NOT be clear that much
but we saw in the last rundown
D1 have more successful rate then A1
regal harbor
what was the rate on 1d1 if anyone remembers?
hexed vapor
It would be against their tier difficulty intentions to make a D tier expedition harder than an E tier expedition.
regal harbor
probably because of new players, alpha
dark ingot
well people who actually made it all the way to 1d1 were guranteed decent at the game
hexed vapor
It had a higher % because less people attempted it
dark ingot
i bet if they gave sample size we'd see a lot more info
yeah
all we saw was success%
not #attempts
hexed vapor
A1 had a lower clear rate than D1
A1 was played by significantly more people than D1.
regal harbor
my first game in GTFO was on 1B1 LMAO
see
i'd also think
that people play 1A1 and then decide that the game's not for them too
that happened with like 3 people in my team's server
i personally was expecting more gunplay like L4D2 or KF2 given what i was looking at in trailers
mint gazelle
ok guys i dont think i will R2 D1 and D2
even E1
we died at the last thing in D1
we did 6 waves in d2
my stack fell apart
i feel sad
regal harbor
how do you guys tackle the scou trooms in D2?
mint gazelle
we couldnt
regal harbor
oh
mint gazelle
the room full of scouts
regal harbor
what about others?
mint gazelle
fucked us
regal harbor
hunt?
regal harbor
how much time do you have when you have to go to the scout room?
mint gazelle
8 mins
regal harbor
WHAT
mint gazelle
which is impossible
regal harbor
i was expecting like 14 or something because one of the earlier tests had an 11 minute timer
mint gazelle
the 11 min was for finding the key
but 8 mins for a room full of scouts
is just impossible
we are not that pro
regal harbor
is the b2 room easily accessible?
i do need to practice my scout clapping
soloable?
hmm
shit that's long
i saw a video somewhere
of someone touching a tentacle but still getting a hammer bonk in
ahh
mint gazelle
that needs lots of practicing
mint gazelle
is there any shadows in the last wave?
subtle vault
nope
mortal granite
correction @atomic escarp
it's 1 second
if you manage to stagger the scout then 1.4 second
we're tested that
when you stagger the scout you got extra 0.4 second
or else it's just 1 second
leaden star
How to stagger the scout?
mortal granite
anything that deal huge damage but not killing the scout will stagger the scout
example: MG, DMR , BR, Combat shotgun
leaden star
Thanks
mellow creek
u can kill a scout if u have 2 guys shooting mgs together hahahah
mortal granite
or 2 full charge hammer
why 1 when you can do 2
hmmmm
why 2 when you can do 4
kind verge
Yes
brittle crescent
👀 OK
brittle crescent
Bandages???
brittle crescent
...if that means there's bleeding condition....
kind verge
The nightmare begins
brittle crescent
🙏🏻
kind verge
The new Mutant however.
Could it be for that?
Wait...
What if the Worm is coming?
brittle crescent
subtle vault
worm
kind verge
I’ve got goosebumps
mortal granite
i have a mini strat on E1 if anyone wanna use
heavy pond
yes, need tips on E1 and D2
mortal granite
do you even played E1 yet? KY
tawdry terrace
@mortal granite What is your E1 strat?
pliant shard
Run
tiny quail
Shoot
obtuse surge
jump
calm vessel
charger coming back>
mossy yoke
I'm super excited for chargers to come back
@atomic escarp
calm vessel
dark rooms = charger confirmed
ebon slate
Nyuna, are you free rn?
calm vessel
yes
thorn briar
i have a mini strat on E1 if anyone wanna use
@mortal granite i'm all ears
forest horizon
Would be weird for an enemy type to only be present for a single level across THREE entire rundowns
also a waste
turbid cliff
the weird thing would be to force yourself to use them when they don't fit the theme of the rundown
if it does, they'll appear
if not, there's always next rundown 
forest horizon
Not my point at all, but ok.
turbid cliff
i think i got your point just fine
forest horizon
No it is weird. Because chargers being only in one mission across three rundowns is not only improbable, it makes no sense. The deeper you go you would expect to see them more often, not less.
And also its just a waste of a good enemy.
turbid cliff
so i got your point just fine and i don't agree
the theme this time was infection, what do we know about their compatibility with that
and why wouldn't they reside in only one part of the complex, maybe there are some special conditions for them
craggy flame
I think the devs wanted to work upon the other enemy introduced in R1 mainly the shadows. Cause they did appear in R1D1 and people speculated they came from the corridor we opened, when deactivating the reactor. They put them in C1 and evolved them in E1. There was prolly not the place for chargers cause they want those rundowns themed. So it makes sense that some enemies only appear in Rundowns depending on the theme. Shadows prolly dont exist in R3. Atleast I speculate that
turbid cliff
besides just as weapons get replaced by similar weapons, maybe enemies can get replaced like that too
there's also the time continuity thing
forest horizon
It's not really the same thing as weapons getting replaced, its not like chargers were part of the "theme" of R1 because that was just one expedition. All we really know about them is they were there to protect something which is extremely loose lore wise. Maybe there is some convoluted lore reason why they did it that way but it doesn't make it less confusing or a waste of a perfectly good enemy that could be used appropriately elsewhere.
turbid cliff
r1 didn't really have a theme
and why the "One eXpEDITIoN IN 3 RuNDOwNS" comment specifically then
a theme that explores chargers can come at any time
maybe it's too important to reveal in early access
atomic escarp
Chargers were enemies in R1
Chargers were Black and had a spiky head and you can only kill them with a full charge to the back
they can also swing their arms like how the hybrids attack when you come near them
regal harbor
Oh them bitches
calm vessel
they had less hp than hybirds
atomic escarp
they can be shoved too
livid moat
So, I have a question that I haven’t seen discussed that I think is a little important
The next rundown is looking or shaping up to be some sort of sequel to the current rundown. There’s teases of the neonate hsu and talks of voice clips recorded by a younger family member
But at the same time, how many of the actual community have made it far enough in the rundown to even know this? I don’t know if this starts a dangerous precedent where lore bits are going to be strung together through rundowns
It seems odd that certain bits of the narrative become unavailable to some.
Like, removing and changing levels is fine cuz it’s keeping things fresh, but when you connect rundowns like this... I dunno. It feels weird to me.
I guess a better question to ask is, do or would people even care that much? I know I tend to try and get immersed in the lore of games a little bit.
stiff cave
Presuming once the game is out of early access there will be some clarification on how the rundown cycle will work out.
turbid cliff
i am pretty sure they considered the cons of this approach and have their ideas
raven lotus
Erm....confused about E1: how can both 599 and 598 have 1 turbine and 1 cell ? is that normal ?
calm vessel
depends where it spawns
raven lotus
I have a screenshot in media and fan-art with the terminal list command of both zones
no, both rooms have it
calm vessel
either should have only one cell though
raven lotus
1 turbine 1 cell in both rooms
raven lotus
ty
calm vessel
obtuse surge
owo
atomic escarp
What the heck is a blood door
Is it something worse than those rusty doors?
Oh is blood door the name for those doors that have the rust all over them?
Well all over the middle
Gotcha! Thank you.
regal harbor
angry dooooors
hexed vapor
What's with C2 and weird claims? First I had someone claiming the key could end up in 113 (this was like a month ago), and then somebody today claimed IDs could spawn in 112.
There is 0 verification for either claim, but it's a bit weird.
mortal granite
weird shit happen
C2 mechanic
would it be a cheese if i do this @hexed vapor ?
C2 map i post in #gtfo-media
the host standing in 113
while the client stand at the bottom circle in 112
they will always spawn near the host
this will be a manipulating spawn mechanic
hexed vapor
Depends on if you consider spawn manip to be cheese
I'm inclined to think it's not
You are, presumably, controlling an intended mechanic
hexed vapor
Cheese would be standing in a place enemies can't reach you (lots of these exist) or trapping enemies with a glitch (like with ladders)
But the spawn mechanics are the spawn mechanics
mortal granite
you could probably stealth the entire 593 without a single enemy wave spawn on you
unless 3 of your teammates are so bad they let 1 in
mortal granite
so you have a full team of 4
3 guys outside 594
they will spawn at 595C
if 1 guy decide to join the guy stealthing in 593
they become random
and they spawn in 593
and the next wave spawn 595
so by pushing 3 players out of 594
and let 1 player in 593
they will ALWAYS spawn near the 3 player
hexed vapor
Can't they spawn further in 2 away from 3 player?
mortal granite
nope
they always spawn on the 3 players
i tested in C2
and then i used that on E1
hexed vapor
Which rooms were players stood in and which rooms got spawns?
mortal granite
i manage to go to 593D
hexed vapor
In C2?
mortal granite
the player were in 112
at the bottom there is a spawn circle and another circle on the right, next to the 115 sec door
if 3 stand at that big door leading into (112B?)
they will spawn at the circle near extraction
hexed vapor
112A is spawn. 112B is the terminal area after spawn (open to A). 112C is on the left with 119. 112D is on the right with 113 and 114.
mortal granite
112D
hexed vapor
Which room are three players stood in?
exotic heart
they will always spawn near the host
@mortal granite definitely a cheese
hexed vapor
And did you say this is host dependent?
exotic heart
there are 2 type of cheese for E1, hiding behind wall / sitting on carts, the other is using the host and player rejoin to spawn the enemy back n forth
hexed vapor
there are 2 type of cheese for E1, hiding behind wall / sitting on carts, the other is using the host and player rejoin to spawn the enemy back n forth
Read what he actually said.
You tested with 4 players then?
exotic heart
You tested with 4 players then?
@hexed vapor yes, it works well, sometimes the enemy even stuck and do a moonlight walk
mortal granite
but still i would prefer host to be with other 2 and let 1 guy do the stealth
hexed vapor
I want to know:
The exact room 3 guys stand in.
The exact rooms the host stands in.
The exact rooms enemies spawn in (with a bio to verify they spawn and aren't simply running towards you by the time you hear the roar).
hexed vapor
@exotic heart You still didn't read what we're actually talking about
mortal granite
😄
exotic heart
oh sorry, i thought he was asking me
exotic heart
ok i read about spawn mechanics, then i would like to say fast quick revive is also a skill game mechanic
not a cheese
but i got warned by the mod for teaching people quick revive 😦
mortal granite
@hexed vapor
you have to be near the 115 sec door
if you passed the pole
they spawn in 113
mossy yoke
That will get fixed
mossy yoke
I don't think instant revive has been fixed yet, but it will eventually get fixed
It's on our board
exotic heart
actually its not instant revive, cause u're holding the E, same mechanics when duping the cell, giving ammo/medipack when ur teammates running around, holding the E is everywhere in GTFO
mossy yoke
Never heard of instant door
mortal granite
and happy bday D0c?
mossy yoke
Thanks cpt
That's all included and will get fixed. Cell duping has been fixed
Hi
They are r3 
mortal granite
mossy yoke
The folder says r3
obtuse surge
how about the host revives bringing us to 0% 👀
mossy yoke
exotic heart
anyway i first learn quick revive from korean pro team that did E1 speedrun in 45 min or so... so they cheesing or what..
mossy yoke
Wesley, known and on our board
obtuse surge
hexed vapor
@mortal granite What's the sample size on the test? It's pretty weird if the room you stand in isn't what the game is looking at, but possible.
mortal granite
i was the host with 1 other guy
i went in 113C
and the other guy standing on my spot in #gtfo-media
the wave will spawn in 113B
exotic heart
That's all included and will get fixed. Cell duping has been fixed
@mossy yoke for R3 u mean?
mortal granite
both of us are using bio tracker just to be sure where they spawn
and 100% they spawn on me, the host
but with 2 or 3 people at the #gtfo-media spot
they spawn on them instead of me
mossy yoke
@exotic heart yeah been fixed
mortal granite
no
i memorize some spawn
all those C2 solo
and i even ask Stormpooper so i got proper answer for myself
you could say with this mechanic manipulation
you can duo C2 fairly easy
hexed vapor
No, they don't spawn between you?
hexed vapor
They never spawn in 113 if you set up correctly, right?
mortal granite
if you're in 113A they will spawn in C
ye
with my experience on C2
if you;re in 113A
they spawn in C
if you're in B they will spawn A or D or E
if you're in C they spawn in B
in D spawn in C
hexed vapor
As solo?
mortal granite
ye
but with duo tho
you can force them to spawn at the extraction by standing next to the 114 sec door
my mistake by calling it 115 earlier
but be careful with the middle big door
if that door is broken
and they go up the stair
1 or 2 enemies will SKIP you
and go for the other guy
D0c, GTFO - classroom, when?
hexed vapor
113A can spawn them in 112C
hexed vapor
So where do I stand to force them to spawn in 113?
mortal granite
113C
open that door
stand behind that door
and wait for 113B spawn
if you want you can open 113D and E
if they really spawn in there
hexed vapor
Are we talking about A or C dude?
hexed vapor
Where do they spawn solo in 113C?
hexed vapor
They have spawned in A twice
D spawned in B
C spawned in A
A spawned in C, 112B, or 112C
E spawned in B
hexed vapor
113
B can spawn in E
B should be able to spawn in D as well
Testing it right now
yep
they spawn in D
hexed vapor
Okay, but none of your info was correct.
mortal granite
well
i might went fast
but could be wrong
do you have room id
i can hop in and show you the manip
hexed vapor
A: C/112B/112C
B: D/E/112D
C: A
D: B
E: B
Interesting, my game crashed
Hasn't happened in a while
mortal granite
lol
hexed vapor
Tell me the exact room to stand in
hexed vapor
Position?
mortal granite
this is interesting
wraith jackal
is it gonna be 4 guns or 3? cos i only saw 3
fierce crag
4, Carbine, gauss rifle, gauss pistol and bullpup rifle
fierce crag
oups sorry yes it's gauss gun
wraith jackal
@hexed vapor where did u see this gauss gun?
hexed vapor
#dev-leaks the first video
molten cedar
i have heard rumours of the gauss pistol
hexed vapor
The scopes are completely different, and one has overpen while the other doesn't
turbid cliff
i have heard rumours of a gauss 5g waves-amplified launcher-propelled brainwasher grenade too
wraith jackal
what's the difference between the rifle and guin?
wraith jackal
@molten cedar cos i know the rifle has piercing capability
molten cedar
iv only heard of the gauss pistol
iv never actually seen it
but id assume its like the revolver but more powerful
wraith jackal
anybody seen the bullpup in action?
mossy yoke
bullpup is fun
turbid cliff
most likely but hopefully we don't go blind or deaf from using it
pliant shard
When are we getting a sound gun that stuns enemies?
brittle crescent
swift robin
Does anyone have any info for the new rundown regarding new enemies, new tools, and new map dynamics. I've already viewed the new weapons.
brittle crescent
you can ask devs(?)
mossy yoke
Those are secrets you'll need to discover yourself 😉
brittle crescent