west burrow
Have people petitioned to get this game on the official speed run website
#gtfo-speed-running
thin lodge
thx
glad nest
Yeah. They probably won't accept it though, especially in early access
This is actually why they haven't accepted it to my understanding.
soft oyster
@west burrow Yeah what Peace said, I've been told itll be on speedrun.com after it fully releaces
smoky cargo
nice run
glad nest
Did you enjoy looking through the fog the entire run? 😄
lean tusk
Which level?
severe willow
A1
lean tusk
Nice
stark jackal
where the speedrun times for the levels for r3?\
somber lion
Youtube would be your best bet sadly
glad nest
What time are you looking for?
craggy ingot
vernal glen
gritty crater
don't need mic if you don't have teammates 
vernal glen
that broken door at 6:40 that had me so confused
literally no reason why they should've went for that door
gritty crater
that's why i always say 95% of them go for the route of least resistance
some of them just feel like rebels
i've had some decide to break not one, but a path of 2 doors when there was already a path cleared
stark jackal
@glad nest B1
glad nest
There isn't a time that I'm aware of that has been officially posted for B1
vernal glen
I'll try to improve it but just not today, it's too painful 
golden yew
and bonk https://youtu.be/D-v5Ei_uPzQ
gritty crater
bruh
golden yew
gritty crater
what's ur crouch and sprint binds
golden yew
sprint is just left shift, crouch is both left ctrl and left alt
i have my razer keyboard set so left alt acts as left control also
So i use left alt to sprint slide around, and left cntrl for normal stealthing/crouchin
tired rune
You you hit left alt with your thumb?
golden yew
Yep
no need to jump and crouch at the exact same time, so instead of thumbing space bar i thumb crouch
gritty crater
man when are we getting alternate key binds
bleak crane
What is WR for A2 solo?
gritty crater
Whatever kenny decides it to be
bleak crane
@vernal glen Pretty sure R1C1 nd R2D2 used the same code mechanics for their reactors, and you could just get the code wrong infinitely.
I don't doubt he'll get a good time, but I wouldn't mind going for it if it's not optimized yet.
vernal glen
he hasn't posted it because he still wants to improve it
weak radish
Man
I got some questions
I've been watching Barghest on youtube solo missions
and i want to know how he's running so fast and how he seems to, i think combo swing is hte best description.
weak radish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccSxqo3NOk in this video, at 3 minutes 55 seconds he seems to swing right after another swing and kill an enemy
upbeat tusk
tap
weak radish
so if you charge a swing, release and tap melee again it'll swing again wiht the same strength?
weak radish
ah
upbeat tusk
he half charge and hit the arm instead of the head
so 1 more headshot with a hammer will kill it
upbeat tusk
when you're at the back
you will deal extra damage
- headshot = instant kill
to striker
weak radish
with no charge?
upbeat tusk
ye
weak radish
oh
upbeat tusk
about x4 damage to striker
bleak crane
@upbeat tusk Occiput is 6x on strikers
since their head crit is 3x and back multiplier is 2x
10x on shooters
@weak radish 0 charge is a popular method of getting multi-kills, and you can use it for triple and quadruple kills.
Kill first, 0 charge occiput second, 0 charge occiput third, 0 charge the face of the fourth and use the stagger to hit its face a second time (which kills for both strikers and shooters).
inland agate
hmm 2 okky hits are sutuational of clusters tho right
like not all will have backs facing a convinent spot
bleak crane
You need to be able to get behind 2 sleepers for a quad, preferably behind 3 to avoid damage, or only behind 1 sleeper if you need a triple.
Situations where doubles are impossible w/ occiput kills is very rare, and with triples it's still uncommon.
soft oyster
Thats the current record
upbeat tusk
it can be faster
soft oyster
wait kenny has a video up?
upbeat tusk
nope
soft oyster
what was his final time?
bleak crane
@soft oyster Solo A2
soft oyster
Ah not sure then
golden yew
A2 Group we have a 6:02 and Solo i have a 24:20
bleak crane
Ooh
soft oyster
Ah nice
vernal glen
if only we had ammo on that one A2 run 
golden yew
solid thunder
to be fair a2 was the easiest for me to solo so far ... idk some strange godlike mines that cleared the waves instantly and at the end i had so much tool refill that i placed 30 + mines
it isi a long scan but they managed to reach me around 80% of it 😄 i got very lucky with that tool refill also didnt had to deal with any scouts
vast cargo
Ever tried 4 mine deployers on a2, it’s so much fun
At the end we always have like 30 mines left to just put everywhere
tired rune
😆
tulip terrace
Is there a specific strat for R3A3?
We've attempted it a bunch of times as a 3-stack but we always come up just a little too short
Usually it happens at the security doors with the moving scans where we burn through a bunch of ammo.
bleak crane
@tulip terrace Is this a sppedrun or just trying to complete it?
tulip terrace
just trying to complete it. I figured nobody would know better than speed runners.
glad nest
Making use of the ladder in 428 and leaving the big door open is rather effective if you ask me.
bleak crane
@tulip terrace The #gtfo-speed-running isn't really a good channel to ask for game-advice since it's less used than channels like #gtfo-related-questions, which has plenty of veterans in it.
I do have duo footage, which shows the setup we used (and I believe Peace uses the same one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoaGCLtsLA&list=PL_e8hQ15I51LmKfs7qPJ-FiGay78UE2Yc&index=4&t=1646s
Audio is very rough since this is Windows game DVR instead of Shadowplay.
You need to be looting very thoroughly, especially in 434, but you also need to be moving fast for the 5th code timer.
glad nest
I do have duo footage, which shows the setup we used (and I believe Peace uses the same one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoaGCLtsLA&list=PL_e8hQ15I51LmKfs7qPJ-FiGay78UE2Yc&index=4&t=1646s
This is indeed the same set-up I use and was referencing.
tulip terrace
That seems super luck based that you weren't killed.
glad nest
What do you mean?
tulip terrace
He's down to 8 HP surrounded by big strikers and shooters
glad nest
In duo it happens frequently
tulip terrace
And then it's purely chance that you don't die
glad nest
Not really, an understanding of distances and mechanics helps survival
tulip terrace
Then why would you ever be down to 8 HP?
glad nest
Cause shit happens sometimes?
tulip terrace
There you go.
tulip terrace
"Shit happens" is literally the definition of chance
bleak crane
Us running low on time for wave 6 was the reason that happened.
inland agate
no kidding you slapped the code in with like 1 second left i thought ur strat was literally going to involve doing a wave twice
gritty crater
I've survived so many times in 1hit threshold that I can't even count 
sometimes below the shooter threshold too
formal bluff
PeaceGod doesn't belive in RNG don't talk about chance to him :))
severe willow
oof
formal bluff
When we were running D1 together, tried to convince me there is no RNG involved lul
severe willow
oh god
glad nest
I said there wasn't as much as you were leading it on to be lol
I never said there's no RNG
upbeat tusk
clear throat
glad nest
I believe I stated "not necessarily" to you saying the level has too much RNG
formal bluff
Eh doesn't matter now..still too much RNG in it
upbeat tusk
laugh in Payday 2 RNG
soft oyster
lul D1 didnt even have that much RNG tho js
severe willow
it did, with wave spawn... thats bout it
soft oyster
the only rng is scan splits
vernal glen
which is a thing for every expedition
the only expedition where rng can make a huge difference right now is the C1 ending
ranging from:
- having all enemies spawn behind you
to - having enemies spawn ahead, alerting multiple rooms and a scout with nothing you could have done to stop it
upbeat tusk
that's for solo
formal bluff
ranging from:
- having all enemies spawn behind you
to- having enemies spawn ahead, alerting multiple rooms and a scout with nothing you could have done to stop it
@vernal glen same can be said about the rooms in D1 with the keycard. When they can spawn literally inside the areas and aggro the ones inside
vernal glen
that's true but alerting everything in that zone is not nearly as bad as alerting all of zone 17
formal bluff
I agree with that. But it still doesn't take away from the fact that the same RNG plagues D1
vernal glen
giants and regular enemies vs chargers and scouts
formal bluff
You cannot deny that for the first half of D1 RNG plays a big part in success or not. I might only have almost 100 hours in the game and not be that experienced to say if RNG is that bad or not, but for me it feels like it is insane
giants and regular enemies vs chargers and scouts
@vernal glen oh yeah chargers + scouts are a clear winner in the shit department
vernal glen
i don't think it's much rng
that zone is dark
the darkness is probably your main enemy
whatever is in the zone can easily be killed by the 4 of you
fight them outside or have a bio tracker to tag them
formal bluff
Idk then it is something I'm doing wrong. Because I think I've tried the first part of D1 like 30 times without passing the second alarm door. And played with experienced people as well. Communicated always did what it was necessary. Might as well think I am cursed or something
soft oyster
@formal bluff playing w experienced players or not if the team all knows slightly diffrent strats then its a lost run, everyone needs to be on the same page, you're not cursed, and not bad, you just dont have a solid enough team
The beginning of D1 is pretty much a speedrun, and with a team that dosent know the exact strats, they wont get a good time/completion
bleak crane
I've had issues with D1 when teams refuse to stealth. If some rooms are really really bad on 591, it's usually better to fast-stealth, but you get people who don't close doors or straight shoot in the room when the team clearly can't handle it. Pretty annoying when it happens.
Titans chew through ammo, so speed is key to resource conservation for the most part.
severe willow
@upbeat tusk We beat your A1 speed run all 4 ppl using DMR and Burst cannon, 2 bios and a foam
youre welcome
upbeat tusk
Nice
inland agate
(but inside hes dying)
severe willow
^
azure tusk
2 bios? Lmao
inner forge
that's even worse
inner forge
how
fresh heart
It just is xD
severe willow
^
azure tusk
If everyone has a bio, enemies are always scanned. Big brain plays.
vernal glen
your team is important yes but like, the first part of D1 is shoot and hammer enemies, there's no specific strat you need your team to follow there...
You kind of just want to agree on a plan for the 2nd alarm because the 2nd alarm actually allows multiple approaches to work
Communication is important when agreeing on a certain strategy but good communication isn't 4 people with a mic
Good communication is a team where someone takes initiative to come up with a strategy while the others mostly listen and perhaps add their thoughts to improve the idea.
A lot of pugs have a lot of talking, but really nothing important is being said. And when there is something important being said, none of the other members actually listen.
formal bluff
Well I don't agree with that philosophy of playing
vernal glen
I've gotten through D1 with randoms without much of an issue. There's a certain skill level you want your team to be, but even with less skill it'll still work out if you get a good leader and people that can follow orders.
formal bluff
Of just following the guy who is better
vernal glen
It's not about following the guy that's better.
formal bluff
That's where our disagreement was all about
vernal glen
It's about 1 person making decisions
I have pugs where I am not the leader
I have no problem with that
But you see, the point is that you kind of need someone to take the lead
formal bluff
You don't have to only follow a leader
vernal glen
To prevent a team with no sense of direction
That's also something I said yes
The others can add on to the ideas of the leader
formal bluff
So people who are inexperienced just follow one who know what he is doing blindly
because he is saying so
and they cannot enjoy the level? just because they cant take decisions?
vernal glen
They can take decissions
It's just a fact that not each one of you
can make the final decission
The leader doesn't have to be static
The leader doesn't have to be an almighty person
Just someone that can make fast decisions if something goes wrong
formal bluff
but they not having a static leader
is exactly what I said..everyone making decisions based on the information on the spot
and what do you mean there is no specific strat you need to follow at the start of D1? you want no one to list the key? you want people not to open the doors so they don't break. you want no one to go after the key? or are those not strategies? just guessing?
bleak crane
1 person list key, 1 person open leftmost door, 1 person open rightmost door.
Shotgun shotgun mines c-foam
formal bluff
but isn't that a predefined strategy Ray?/
vernal glen
on my duo with kolohe we manage to do all of that without saying a word
i guess we're just gods
formal bluff
Because you knew what you were doing
cold saffron
runic ingot
Pog
formal bluff
For playing the game for a long time
bleak crane
I mean, it's not particularly useful to recommend worse strategies because you happen to manage w/ them.
formal bluff
You can't expect everyone to be like you can you?
gritty crater
take a chill pill, i think you're misunderstanding something here
a leader is the one who makes calls when there's no time to waste
room woke? leader either says hammer time or fall back and weapons so you don't have both kinds running around and ruining shit for each other
formal bluff
room woke? leader either says hammer time or fall back and weapons so you don't have both kinds running around and ruining shit for each other
@gritty crater And that doesn't work for random games with inexperienced people
vernal glen
that actually works very well, even through text chat
it just requires a team that listens
rather than talking only
formal bluff
take a chill pill, i think you're misunderstanding something here
@gritty crater and i see this is a civilized conversation i don't think anyone is saying otherwise
cold saffron
it works when team isnt brain dead 
formal bluff
Wesley I think you've only had the luck of having people like that. Since a lot of my games no one is actually listening to some basic calls
gritty crater
idk my chat sense detected some passive-aggressive shit here 🤔
cold saffron
gritty crater
if someone doesn't listen the first time they'll either learn to on another try or you'll stop playing with them
formal bluff
And that is mainly because people want to enjoy the game in their own way
They don't like to be bossed around
vernal glen
the thing with not dying when the rest of your team dies
is that they'll usually start to listen to you
gritty crater
host advantage 
cold saffron
so ur the one having fun while making others suffer is what u mean?
gritty crater
it's a hardcore coop game, if someone can't agree on doing shit as a team, they can find other like-minded people instead or just go solo
formal bluff
When you play a level you know very well but the other 3 don't know at all, you just expect them to listen to you just because you've done the level before? and running forward, opening doors, listing stuff without actually letting them know what is happening
cold saffron
it's a hardcore coop game, if someone can't agree on doing shit as a team, they can find other like-minded people instead or just go solo
agree
vernal glen
nothing really changes other than it being slightly more efficient
gritty crater
you seem to be assuming a lot of things here
runic ingot
GOtta teach them
vernal glen
am i robbing people of the experience of finding out what zone to go to
formal bluff
It's assumptions I've seen by playing with a lot of new people
cold saffron
leader isnt boss bro
vernal glen
is it really that satisfying to use the terminal yourself
formal bluff
Some people might enjoy finding things themselves out
upbeat tusk
just play the game damn it
formal bluff
And yes it can be considered robbing them of the experience
gritty crater
state your goal before you start playing then?
formal bluff
Of literally listing where the key is :))
gritty crater
by default the goal is to clear the expedition
if you didn't say otherwise it's your fault
formal bluff
It's a pointless discussion then. I understand your points and what you want to say
cold saffron
vernal glen
You're not an asshole for playing fast, you're an asshole for playing fast when others ask you to slow down.
You're an asshole for not explaining your actions when being asked to.
runic ingot
Kind of wondering what your ideal run with inexperienced players would be?
cold saffron
if udk anything they say just ask it aint that hard bro
formal bluff
Kind of wondering what your ideal run with inexperienced with them would be?
@runic ingot Knowing the level myself I would just stand back and let them explore guiding them when they need it. Even if we lose it in the end
That's how they learn
vernal glen
That sounds like an #lfg-beginners run
gritty crater
^if they said they're looking to learn or are in beginners
formal bluff
Even if they do A's and go to B2 they are still beginners
cold saffron
and ur talking about D1? and they aren't that new anymore when there can reach D1
formal bluff
no I wasn't referring to D1..that's another deal :))
gritty crater
u can be a beginner after finishing the whole rundown too, that doesn't say much
you know how much there is to learn in this game
cuz i don't
runic ingot
I thought this is all about D1
cold saffron
and here i tot the covo was about D1 being "bossy"
gritty crater
and i've been testing shit for a good 100 hours just in solo
formal bluff
I don't either. I always learn something from more experienced people which I enjoy
cold saffron
vernal glen
and the key to that learning is
A) watching them do it
B) asking them about it
not having them stay back and do nothing for the entire game
gritty crater
there's so much information overflow that i wouldn't go teach randoms even if i weren't exclusively playing in duo
cold saffron
if they tell you to do something, if you dk the reason just ask about it
formal bluff
Then here is the difference in views about teaching
I feel like they learn better doing it themselves from the start with mistakes
Rather than watching someone do it and they replicate it in another game
vernal glen
The problem is that you're seeing a regular run as a teaching run
formal bluff
I have no issues standing back and watching them do it
vernal glen
Which it isn't
cold saffron
formal bluff
The problem is that you're seeing a regular run as a teaching run
@vernal glen I am not talking about people with over 50+ hours let's say
vernal glen
On an average run you all just play the game
formal bluff
I am talking about people who only played R3 completed A to B only once
And they are at C for the first time only after playing the game for like 5-6 hours?
You've seen yourself there is an influx of new players
An average run is most likely to be with people who are not that experienced to just follow a normal "just play the game" mentality
vernal glen
Well you see
It's actually really simple for them to do something about that
All they have to do is "searching for people new to C1"
formal bluff
Agreed. But they wouldn't think about that. At least I didn't think about it
runic ingot
I'm completely lost on this convo
formal bluff
And my first C1 run was "ruined" by two guys who speed-runed the whole level
Without actually explaining anything
vernal glen
Even when you didn't think about it, once the game started you can still talk to that person
formal bluff
And when they refuse to? Calling you a casual scrub just because you don't know the level?
gritty crater
leave
runic ingot
Those people just sound like unpleasant people, you can report them to the mod I think
vernal glen
But did you ask them anything at all
gritty crater
eh idk if it's against the rules explicitly
formal bluff
Of course. You see me how I'm talking here. You would really think I would be quiet when I disagree with something.
They just refused to listen and called me a casual and to git gud
I don't even remember who it was
gritty crater
leave 
formal bluff
Doesn't even matter
vernal glen
Well, from our experience... You simply called my playstyle a dick move
And when I asked you to explain what I did wrong or what I should be doing different, you replied with "you not understanding the problem is part of the problem"
formal bluff
Because I felt it on the spot that it was :)) Especially because the other 2 said they don't know the level
vernal glen
rather than actually providing any helpful feedback
The other 2 said they'd been trying the level for a while
formal bluff
Those two told me after that they wouldn't even have asked you anything just because they knew you were better and usually better people treated them like shit
formal bluff
And I had the same unpleasant experience with "better" players
vernal glen
Which they actually didn't know about yet...
usually better people treated them like shit
that stereotype would be an issue on their end..?
formal bluff
I don't know. I might have exaggerated myself then and I apologize for it
gritty crater
it's common for experienced and "experienced" people to be dickish
formal bluff
All I want people to understand is that if there are some experienced good players that treat the smaller ones bad, they leave these bad "stereotypes" as you called them behind
gritty crater
playing many multiplayer games it's just something i expect by default
formal bluff
Which I even had until yesterday when I talked more to someone
vernal glen
If you have a question, you ask the question
If you never asked the question to begin with, the issue is entirely on your side
formal bluff
That's what I'm trying to say. They would rather not ask questions since they will think they will be treated like shit
vernal glen
Ok but why is that my fault/problem
gritty crater
also keep in mind that not everything taught by other people is correct if you're naive enough to believe everything
i recently found out sleeper aggro is not based on animations, something new every day
thought they had to at least have entered the first frame of waking up animation
formal bluff
Sincerly, if you would have a casual conversation with someone who only played R3 for a few hours they would probably say they don't enjoy when an experienced person joins their game
gritty crater
LF2M A1 newbies looking for other newbies to learn the game with [id] [voice]
cold saffron
formal bluff
And wesley again, if I seemed harsh during that game I sincerely apologize
It was my skewed opinion taking over:)
I am actually really keen to learn new stuff from you guys, cuz I want to get better and try new fun stuff
But at the same time I like to look back at the "smaller" people as well
vernal glen
golden yew
gritty crater
kekw
golden yew
cold saffron
vernal glen
golden yew
R3A2 in 6:02 be like I am speed
gritty crater
is that normal ping for you
cold saffron
runic ingot
Invite me next time damn it
cold saffron
nej
upbeat tusk
it's just 1 second delay
runic ingot
HAHA
gilded forge
kenny playing with me on NA servers 
gritty crater
"just" 1 second delay
gritty crater
h o r r i b l e
runic ingot
Host side hit registration feelsbadman
gritty crater
i mean maybe not as far as this game goes but overall it's fkn terrible
compared to other multiplayers
upbeat tusk
what's other multiplayers?
gritty crater
other games 🤔
upbeat tusk
such as
gritty crater
pretty much anything
2-4 player coops like resident evil and borderlands, your average multiplayer game like valve multiplayers, even MMOs
upbeat tusk
at least it's playable
gritty crater
why settle on "it works"
upbeat tusk
well
if it's dumb
but it's work
it isn't dumb
at least it's work
i played with that all the time
sometime 0.5s delay is a good thing
gritty crater
As i said it's a pov thing but I wouldn't settle on "it works"
upbeat tusk
sometime, you gotta appreciate what you got
damn C1 run
nobody host when i'm online
gritty crater
You can host
gritty crater
ok
glad nest
Damn this chat popped off earlier
glad nest
I missed it too. Big sad
golden yew
@bleak crane You plan on running A2 Solo any faster? Also why did you open both blood doors at the same time?
golden yew
Please tell me ray i need to know
You reckon sub 30 is possible?
what would be like the fastest solo time possible do you think
bleak crane
Don't you have a 26?
golden yew
bleak crane
I feel like, if I optimized what I as doing, it wouldn't take all too long, especially with decent RNG
Now, "possible for me" is a different question
golden yew
Maybe I could have gotten a faster time if I had that 180+ IQ strat ray won't tell me about 
cold saffron
obtuse tide
Is there anyone who runs entire rundowns or is it pretty much exclusively just single missions
azure tusk
Y'all should have a control group of people who can play the game but don't speedrun XD
south charm
lean tusk
Kenny control of never playing rundown before was 8-9 hours
Finished it in one stream
That’s would be a baseline id presume for non speedrun
cold saffron
its Kolohe's team vs Kenny's team
8-9 hours between we were taking breaks and i was having dinner mid run 
glad nest
Nice, should be an interesting watch then
My group finished in 7, but we sorta just kept plugging through until we finished
glad nest
@upbeat tusk What do you mean force them to spawn at warden door.
upbeat tusk
they used the same mechanic as R1C1
glad nest
And they're already at spawn when I'm inputting code, the only reason they weren't in scan that time through is cause I got shot
glad nest
That's what happened though
Goose res'd, Hunter and Jab ran
They were a little ways behind is all
soft oyster
even w 1 person on scan its a 10 sec scan
and i was on scan as soon as it was physically possible
glad nest
Scan with three people vs what we had is maybe at most 1.5-2 seconds faster
upbeat tusk
that's the same scan for everyone right?
glad nest
The evac scan?
strong kiln
I think it goes faster with more
glad nest
Yes, but more makes it progress faster
soft oyster
but even then its only 2 sec faster w everyone
strong kiln
I got in at 35ish percent, and jbeeb at like 50-60, not a huge loss when whole scan is like 5-8 secs
glad nest
To my understanding every evac scan that doesn't require an item to be within it to begin extract progresses more quickly with more people within it's influence
strong kiln
Thats what i thought too but idk for sure
Item scans vs player scans
Anyways im off to bed gn yall
glad nest
Night bro pleasure running tonight
sour blade
speed
solid thunder
running
solemn wing
the
shy vault
at
tired rune
my
next trout
alright let's bring this a bit more serious please instead of spamming. Thanks.
lean tusk
What’s everyone’s best a1 and a2 time?
strong kiln
About 6 flat a1 and 730ish a2, not wr so not bothering checking exact time
gritty crater
<@&408548765599793173> rules are rules
wet relic
obtuse tide
has anyone tried a pacifist run before
as in
beating missions without killing any enemies
snow sundial
I do not think that would be possible but idk
obtuse tide
has anyone really attempted to route it as a category?
would be really interesting to see whats possible
snow sundial
I think some levels would be impossible like that but idk
inland agate
Would reach spawn cap pretty fast, ai would break and be unpredictable
stray quiver
There could probably be exceptions in order to make it viable, I.E. gadget kills and kills that are not DIRECTLY made by the players do not count
upbeat tusk
if you do pacifist run then the spawn cap means nothing
severe willow
it is possible, ive done it once on A1
dry mango
gentle coral
Pacifist run in theory is almost impossible, even perfect head pops with dmr and kiting, you’d get a big hitter or big shooter ...maybe even a hybrid and have to take it down as kiting the headless hitters is very manageable adding all of the extra variables into the mix makes it extremely problematic...
And even when I try to not kill stuff something always dies.
Quad run with 4x cfoam launcher on r3a1 will be best bet for pacifist run
Just get a solid kite runner
glad nest
A3 would be rather doable pacifist imo
glad nest
I don't think scout overrides spawn cap though
I'm pretty sure if it does, it doesn't fully override.
severe willow
Hmm, seems like you haven’t aggroed enough scouts
glad nest
Not really
The enemies are queue'd up from my experience
rather than spawned in all at once
severe willow
Yeah. They do queue but also override
glad nest
I've never had an override
severe willow
Mixed between both
glad nest
Or never noticed one
severe willow
Yeah, aggro enough and it will queue most of them but leaks into an override
glad nest
It's also rather hard to really say that the scout caused the override instead of the enemies that were spawned asleep
glad nest
Regardless, pacifist A3 is quite realistic
severe willow
Yes, it definitely is
I’m surprised how difficult it was to do a passive run on A1 tbh
At least more than I thought it would
obtuse tide
would really love to see it in practice
seems like a very interesting exercise in abusing pathfinding and such
ive found a couple of spots on a few maps that confuse enemies, such would probably need to be taken advantage of to make the runs realistic
like on B2, in the first security scan room theres a box in a corner you can stand on to bait every enemy into a corner of the extraction room
could use that to hit 1 security node at a time and then retreat
snow sundial
Ye
Some maps have cheese spots where you can go an enemies can’t really hit you or can barely hit you
glad nest
Cheese is icky, no cheese allowed 😠
obtuse tide
a speedrun is a speedrun
unless you make a category that says you cant do that i feel like the realistic expectation is that anything goes
imo finding things like cheese spots are one of the most interesting parts of speedrunning
glad nest
Cheese is icky
snow sundial
Yes it is
I mean you can use it but if you use cheese in solo runs or speed runs and tell people do they are going to give you less credit
obtuse tide
yeah being able to do it all without any exploits might be more impressive but it sort of defeats the purpose of speedrunning
stray quiver
From a speedrunning perspective, do you think adding player collision would affect the meta substantially and is it something you guys would want
obtuse tide
im not a speedrunner but it would probably be annoying regardless of circumstance
stray quiver
If they did eventually add it, I'm sure they would patch out stacking on top of other players, cause it could be an easy exploit
glad nest
Player collision would greatly affect speedrunning
It may not affect times too much, but boosting would exist
stray quiver
if anything I feel it would just make the gameplay a bit more irritating, especially with the stealth aspects, but then again it would be more realistic
glad nest
I don't think gameplay would be irritating at all
I find it irritating as is to clip through my teammate
stray quiver
If anything they really need to add enemy collision cause having sleepers run straight through me is very annoying
glad nest
And not be able to see anything on my screen but the inside of their head
stray quiver
true
and friendly fire might be really bad in certain situations because of no player collision
obtuse tide
i just figure that for some missions or in any case where you have to quickly run around it would get annoying
i forsee things like getting jammed up in doors
come to think of it
is there even player v enemy collision?
snow sundial
Nah
soft oyster
nope
obtuse tide
i dont think ive ever straight up walked into an enemy so idk
glad nest
Just because they have collision with players doesn't mean they would have to have collision with themselves
snow sundial
I don’t care that much but some people get annoyed cause enemies run through you
soft oyster
??? have you played this game
glad nest
Having collision with enemies would make kiting harder, that's for sure
soft oyster
^^
glad nest
No more blindly running through packs of enemies
obtuse tide
man
i thought i was just a parkour god
with a 100% jumping over crawling enemy success rate
well if that says anything, the lack of collision between player and enemy is hard enough to notice that it's never broken the immersion for me
i think the collisions are all fine as is
glad nest
It's very apparent if you actually kite through enemies in hordes
obtuse tide
the only real collision thing i can think of that might need changing is where the hammer swing lines up to the crosshair
soft oyster
then you havent ran through an entire scout horde of sleepers
next trout
tbh i'd like to see collision between player and enemy. it would add more difficulty and make kiting a bit harder, make you really think about backing into a corner, what path you take, etc
glad nest
Precisely
soft oyster
agreed D0c
stray quiver
It seems that the hammer, in its swinging animation, is a fully physical object, so depending on how close you are to the target, the hammer might hit early/not in the spot you want it to so it's understandable to want that fixed @obtuse tide
soft oyster
it would have spedruns a lot more interesting lol
glad nest
Enemy amount may need slight tweaking to balance for such a change to gameplay, or it may not to increase difficulty further.
next trout
can vote for it here:
https://discordapp.com/channels/408196129470152705/522894578085265422/732913740768477248
obtuse tide
yeah the hammer collision is based on the animation
i actually like that a lot, its really intuitive
stray quiver
Same
obtuse tide
but i think the crosshair itself is a bit misleading
glad nest
D0c, what are your thoughts on player on player collision
obtuse tide
it gives the impression the hammer will connect exactly on the crosshair but it often hits before or after depending on where you stand
next trout
I'll answer in #gtfo-chat
soft oyster
i mean its a hammer, it swings like one
glad nest
Sounds good
upbeat tusk
speedrun it a lot
strong kiln
a1 solo fail, on pace for 1324, died at 90% extract https://youtu.be/SqYifkVKa40
vernal glen
nice
the best one i had where i died during extraction was sub 13
like 12:50 or something
strong kiln
Damn tough, this was my second run ever so im hoping to keep running it for a bit
But i have a feeling the rng gods will never give me a run like that again
Was ur sub 13 death with burst or mines? Honestly no idea which is better
vernal glen
burst can easily be faster
but you need to not do what i did in my winning run
which is refilling after 2nd alarm
and bringing it back to extraction
you can push it pretty close to 12 minutes with good rng and minimal tool
but that rng will take a while
and actually surviving will also take a while
strong kiln
Yeah makes sense, i like the mines obviously but i lost a good minute placing them
Probably gonna keep trying mines for a bit, if i had more attempts before than run, with that rng i really couldve gotten sub 13
I was just winging everything past the first alarm door, efficiency took a big toll after that
median quarry
Hey, that's not GTFO
lean snow
@sullen silo
sullen silo
crude cypress
a1 speedrun?
rustic slate
any solo speedruns done yet?
vast cargo
yes
stray quiver
Are there a lot of D1 solos?
stray quiver
Interesting
E
I was gonna view some once we got far enough into D1 to see all the spoilers
vast cargo
if u guys want a spoiler then there is floor everywhere
😉 dont tell doc i told u that secret info
stray quiver
upbeat tusk
strong kiln
next trout
... Alright enough
still latch
@severe willow any ideas why they don't post their solo runs? D1 solo sounds amazing achievement, wonder how they did it thou...
severe willow
I know exactly how, but my buddy is going to redo it on video cause there aren’t any yet
still latch
good luck to him then, whatever he used its still probably hell to complete it
strong kiln
Demi cant record due to hardware restrictions and plant did it under a bug hunter build I believe so it cant be released due to an nda
severe willow
Plant cannot, correct. there are at least 3 others I know personally that have, two of them dont want to be known publicly, the last is recording it
dull arrow
Knows personally hmmmmmmm
median quarry
@severe willow any ideas why they don't post their solo runs? D1 solo sounds amazing achievement, wonder how they did it thou...
@still latch
Some are not interested in posting it publicly, they just don't care about proving people. In the solo community, it's seen that you have to record from start to finish no edits during solo runs. Some solo players are not into the whole recording and can't be asked as they're doing it for themselves, as such not for other people.
still latch
Damn, Im more interested in how to do it. Cause what got me into soloing is videos of how they did it.
But yeah understandable from their side as well
fast surge
That reminded me of something....
Solo players to me are just vain as fuck players who are monotonous playing the game to show off to one another on a non-existent ranked system. By extension micless players are the same way, they play for themselves and ignore the three others, seeking only to win and move on. This type of play style I find utterly toxic when put in conjunction with others who don't follow the same formula.
I know 2 people that solo'd D1 🤦
severe willow
And some who are good enough @autumn pasture and I, don’t want to do it
I know at least 3. One unconfirmed person would make it 4
Also good quote
Ree
median quarry
@fast surge I also know a guy who solo'd D1 ;)
That reminded me of something....
I know 2 people that solo'd D1 🤦
@fast surge
HAHAHH, you're stacking his nonsense qoutes now? 🤣🤣
fast surge
I'm keeping all the quotes my man Dx
median quarry
Good man
median quarry
Yes
severe willow
hm
teal fulcrum
Some are not interested in posting it publicly, they just don't care about proving people. In the solo community, it's seen that you have to record from start to finish no edits during solo runs. Some solo players are not into the whole recording and can't be asked as they're doing it for themselves, as such not for other people.
@median quarry considering how toxic us as a community can get i dont really blame them
median quarry
Very true. If I'd solo, I don't care about proving since it's just a massive hassle.
teal fulcrum
because people will call you a liar anyway if you dont put a vid out
median quarry
Yes, hence why people don't bother telling what they've done.
But it's very important for the lower expeditions and harder levels.
teal fulcrum
i remember when zeroe did e1 on his stream and he use a little cheese spot for like what,5 seconds, just a big ol mob of people (who probably dont even solo and play the game regularly) just jump and said it was invali,cheating etc
i know that when we are talking individually people will react different and have different opinion about the matter
still latch
i remember when zeroe did e1 on his stream and he use a little cheese spot for like what,5 seconds, just a big ol mob of people (who probably dont even solo and play the game regularly) just jump and said it was invali,cheating etc
@teal fulcrum How in the world did he managed it O_O...
As for the toxicity that's really a shame, cause the amount of work that he must have put to actually complete E1 solo must have tremendous, I dont want to think how many time he failed on it just to be shunned by some random people, but that then explains why noone shares strats or more difficult levels :/
severe willow
well, tbh the solo isnt as hard as people think
severe willow
its hard yes, but because of the pathing its way more manageable than most people give it credit for
teal fulcrum
@still latch and thats the community we foster not only in solo but as a whole
we dont celebrate a victory, nitpick every single frame of a video or stream so we can just cancel it
still latch
which is sad cause this community is one the best I've been a part of, like played LOL and DBD before and there people were toxic left and right. Here when playing with randoms is probably the best experience I have had, I think I only met 1-2 jerks but that's it
teal fulcrum
well you have jerks and then you have dick measuring. and i had more of the latter, "i have 1 more completition than you so your trash"
i was prideful af before, but i tried my best to change and i started having a better experience in game like that
pubs its still rng lotery when it comes to teammates
severe willow
tbh
i would have said just solo it back in the day
bcause teammates are only good for first surge, fog surge and baby scan
otherwise solo is easier
median quarry
Imagine a surge scan in an A tier
teal fulcrum
yeah but its a hellaova lot cooler shooting with people by you side and all that
severe willow
i mean yeah
still latch
I liked the concept of surge alarms it was just annoying when you all have to kite to pick the person up or the person has to DC
I think it could work if they added more time in between waves spawning so you could clear wave and actually manage to pick someone up
teal fulcrum
yeah spawn cap in like 40 seconds wasnt that much fun
vernal glen
well you can
just act as if the downed person is a scan
group up at it
shoot them while one person revives
upbeat tusk
or just died all at scan
keep 1 person alive
and just kite as far away as possible
severe willow
Eh, gets out with 75% hp
I don’t find it too bad. Just RNG heavy for those scans
But I preferred the for spawns over ladder or scaffolding
glad nest
@still latch I noticed you asked how Zaero solo'd E1 yesterday. He has the vod on his Twitch channel where he streamed it, otherwise after the completion he posted a link to the stream itself in #gtfo-media if I remember right. You could search for posts sent by him in that channel and probably find it if you wanted to view it.
still latch
Thanks, I'll have a look! @glad nest
glad nest
I'll mini spoil, get used to seeing spawn a lot lol
bleak crane
Tbqh, I think E1 is an easier solo than D2 and possibly even D1.
The most powerful strategies involve stealth and kiting, both of which are fairly unaffected by player count.
upbeat tusk
d1 are just, bailing to the farthest room
vernal glen
A1 solo 12:05 - https://youtu.be/z9GriXHLFn0
still latch
Nice!
stray quiver
I probably asked this before but is melee-only run with full squad on A1/any level possible?
kinda wanna try it with friends but don't wanna waste all our time
vernal glen
yes
stray quiver
awesome 
severe willow
It’s doable solo as well, just need a lot of skill and patience
median quarry
@stray quiver see #gtfo-media
stray quiver
oh damn, thanks
median quarry
np 🙂
I probably asked this before but is melee-only run with full squad on A1/any level possible?
@stray quiver You can do it. In fact, a squad what appears has starting doing duo only runs with melee only with no tools that can kill.
stray quiver
Just saw that, it looks insane but really fun. Will def try it as soon as my team gets done with D1 :(
median quarry
Hey speedy boiz, is there any speedrun leaderboards?
strong kiln
Theres a speedrunning discord server that had leaderboards but its never updated or maintained so its become unused the past couple of months
lean tusk
@median quarry what time are you looking for?
bleak crane
Is there an A3 TAS?
bleak crane
Brute force
gritty crater
ah
next trout
Not possible to brute force the reactor codes
bleak crane
It is still, thought that was well known by now.
The fix is visual and doesn't prevent you from entering more codes.
vernal glen
bleak crane
So you should be able to do an A3 TAS w/ melee for all waves.
gritty crater
melee?
bleak crane
To save ammo, that's how people did the D2 TAS
vernal glen
don't need to melee all the waves
can loot a bit during waves
just need to split up
bleak crane
True
gritty crater
yeah, 2 people or even one can defend
bleak crane
I bet you could get a really short time, though. Sub 15 probably.
bleak crane
Sweet.
gritty crater
jesus they're still running
vernal glen
not running anymore
just edits
to make it epic
you'll see
everyone just playing fall guys now
snow sundial
yes
vernal glen
getting good cell spawns for each zone
bleak crane
Oof
vernal glen
idk if it would be worth it to bring like a sniper for solo
so you could clear the bigs faster
would def be a handicap for the ending
bleak crane
I would die on extract 100%
bleak crane
I tried rifle on that to pick off bigs at low health, but I suck with it for regulars.
Shame BR isn't in.
strong kiln
Lol wes I think im done with a1 solo speedruns, i can only rely on rng so heavily for so long, i got a 1230 and im happy with that
Had a sub 12 but died as per usual
vernal glen
strong kiln
U win this round lol
vernal glen
i got to pull the 2nd alarm on C1 at sub 15 today
but i had 20% health
so that didn't go great
strong kiln
Lmao, are u multi zone kiting or just z13 kiting?
vernal glen
no kiting
strong kiln
Makes sense
vernal glen
or well
if my sentry ran out
i clear a wave by going up the platform in the middle of the room
strong kiln
Pb so far?
vernal glen
i haven't even gotten a single completion out of it
strong kiln
I feel that lol
tight quiver
What are the theoretical minimums on these levels with a 4 man squad?
A1 - 5 minutes?
A2 - 8?
A3 /B1 /B2 - 15?
C1 - 20?
D1 -15?
vast cargo
No
I’d say 12 mins for A1, 30 Mins A2, 40 A3, 1 hour on B1, 1 and a half on B2, 1 and a half on C1, and around 1 hour - 1 and a half hours on D1 on average
So these are what the average players normally spend on these levels
gritty crater
theoretical minimums
vast cargo
? Yeah
gritty crater
he means how fast a speedrun is theoretically possible on each of them
vernal glen
cold saffron
wish i can record my solo runs 
jagged sentinel
Nvidia shadowplay? OBS?
cold saffron
im playing on 15fps
jagged sentinel
o o f
strong kiln
Yeah that sucks
jagged sentinel
What you rocking? A GTX 580?
jagged sentinel
Invest in a better PC for results.
cold saffron
i rather invest on a laptop since im constantly travelling
sadly carona makes it hard 
bleak crane
WR on A2 is a bit over 17 minutes, so probably 15 at minimum.
Would require perfect RNG and no mistakes.
fast surge
Imagine making mistakes D:
bleak crane
Oh, 4man I'm not sure.
A2 might be something like 6 or 7 mins because I think WR is 8 minutes? Not sure how much optimization is possible and I'd need to check the actual record.
fast surge
A1?
median quarry
walking around while carrying stuff just takes ages
bleak crane
Prolly 4 min then
strong kiln
A1 solo speedrunning is not boring by any means compared to other levels imo
fast surge
I like A1 solo a lot or speedrunning with a 4 man
strong kiln
4 mans boring cause finishing thr actual level isnt hard, unless u got bottom rng ur gonna beat the level lol, part of the challenge shld be actually trying to survive
Its just rng math and tactics not really survival, which for some people is fun but its not for me
fast surge
It's fun because they are with you
fast surge
@vernal glen You speedrun GTFO right?
vernal glen
yes
fast surge
Have you done speedruns for other games at all?
vernal glen
no
fast surge
I have tried speedrunning Doom Portal 2 and tried Half Life and GTFO seems too much of an RNG based type thing ^^
vernal glen
It is
But some consider that the fun part
As without RNG it just becomes a straightforward cycle of doing the exact same thing
Just attempting to do it perfectly
fast surge
I loved Portal 2 so much I'm 100th wordwide but getting into GTFO seems kinda nervewracking
I think it would annoy me too much after a moment since I can't improve the raw rng, only bend it
I might try though
fast surge
Solo ^^
fast surge
So at some point the best times would be RNG based and not skill based?
vernal glen
Yes but like
pure RNG won't get you there
Just like pure skill won't get you there
You need both really
fast surge
So in the end the only thing you can't change is the RNG so it would be RNG based
vernal glen
Not exactly
You try and take as many risks as possible
Such as using little tool setup for an alarm
The fastest way to clear the alarm, would be not spending any time on setting up
But that would require you to survive full hordes with just your weapons/melee
Which would be very high skill
fast surge
Yes, skill involves in bending the RNG to your will and making an advantage of it. The cap is still the RNG in the end. I don't know about you but I'm very high skill
vernal glen
in the end yes
But I don't think the current time even reflects that yet
You could beat my time with worse RNG
fast surge
We would just improve the speedrunning meta and breaking new grounds instead of just rerolling
I might try speedrunning then
Because I loved speedrunning the other games
median quarry
I shalld join you S.R.A if you ever speedrun in GTFO.
vernal glen
I don't know what your skill is like compared to mine
But out of my experience I'd say I don't find it easy
fast surge
I solo'd the whole of R3. I melee hammered only A1 A2 & B1. Always play with 5% hud, etc
vernal glen
Maybe you'll find it easy
fast surge
I'll def try it. Honestly I think the RNG part is going to turn me off at some point
vernal glen
The RNG i got on my run isn't incredibly rare
fast surge
Thanks for taking your time talking, have a nice day
median quarry
We got 30 secs off from the world record when we did it at A1? I can't remember. I know we got the sub 7 min mark.
fast surge
You solo only right Wesley?
vernal glen
no
vernal glen
well the team often takes a lot of the rng out of it
strong kiln
A1 4 man is 528
vernal glen
if you're 4 people, just ignore those 10+ sleepers and shoot them while you're doing a scan
fast surge
What is the A1 solo time?
fast surge
12:05 sounds like a lot holy crap
vernal glen
yes
fast surge
🐌 ;)
strong kiln
I got a 1228 but im totally worn out from it
fast surge
Mind sharing the strats to get me into or nah?
strong kiln
Burst sentry
fast surge
OP on A1 Dx
vernal glen
burst sentry instead of mines is a way to save time
fast surge
Exploits count?
strong kiln
Like bhopping
vernal glen
and it's more of a general thing the community seems to decide on
fast surge
Who deemes those?
BHOPPING Isn't an exploit, it's intended
vernal glen
like
vernal glen
no one ever complained if you break door with 1 swing 👀
median quarry
I asked ludvig and he confirmed its intended we just did it to a much higher level than expected as community.
vernal glen
no one's gonna complain if you're using the fact that the head hitbox still exists despite the head being gone
fast surge
Okay so no shame, all exploit then... or shame, no exploit and have the WR because you guys didn't do it without exploits lmao
strong kiln
I mean
vernal glen
things like that
strong kiln
Ur kinda missing the point
vernal glen
standing in a god spot of some sort would be a different story
fast surge
I guess that's technically A.I. abuse which is allowed if you exploit
Either way I don't do it for the competition but because it is fun ^^
So I wouldn't care
vernal glen
i doubt it would make much difference towards your time anyway
strong kiln
Lol
fast surge
Doesn't matter :P
fast surge
F
fast surge
I guess it's nice that exploits are allowed except OOB's
vernal glen
basically
if you do something that doesn't feel right
just explain what you were doing
for example the tool assisted R2D2
fast surge
People should be banned for it, straight up
vernal glen
and none of them will complain if you consider a non TAS run as the actual world record
bleak crane
Bruh, what?
fast surge
TAS is a seperate part of speedrunning, you cannot mix it with human interactions
lean tusk
thats why TAS isn't part of any speedruns official times
its just a TAS and doesnt count
bleak crane
TAS D2 was separate from just D2.
strong kiln
it can be its own category, but by no means does anyone consider it a normal time\
fresh heart
^
strong kiln
same thing with a3, and kennys team, they had an a3 4 minutes ahead of my time, its not the same category if their using TAS
fast surge
It'll be fun until the RNG wall hits me :)
strong kiln
so it will not be fun right away lol
vernal glen
It's very likely to hit you on the first run
vernal glen
Considering there's probably a 50% chance that you're not getting the key zone you want
bleak crane
Is there a vid of the A1 WR?
strong kiln
yes
bleak crane
Curious about the route.
strong kiln
not public tho
lean tusk
solo or 4man?
strong kiln
oh nvm
lean tusk
Wes has solo on his channel
strong kiln
its on wes' channel
lean tusk
its linked to his discord profile
vernal glen
i got the best key on my solo