gtfo-lore

[stone vine]

And thatsss a warn

[hot burrow]

F for our boy

[stone vine]

👀

I’ll leave while I can, goodbye

[heady swallow]

Maybe a methaphor maybe not it s not related to lore

Unless you want to call the 4 members the horsemen of the apocalypse

[hot burrow]

lol

[heady swallow]

Otherwise not really related in any way

[charred vault]

there’s no way for the Warden to retrieve the prisoners bodies since we canonically fail many times, it needs to source the brain matter from somewhere

We already know where it comes from.....

[late basalt]

Well

Technically our characters never fail. Other prisoners do

[dry owl]

The other prisoners are just scrubs

[late basalt]

Like Dmr users

[dry owl]

😅

[charred vault]

the official warden tweeter account lists the statistics on how many times the prisoners died

https://twitter.com/gtfo_the_warden/status/1271384411444051970?s=21

The Warden (@GTFO_The_Warden)

Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

Twitter

since there’s only 4 guys in the complex that means we’ve canonically failed a1 215440.75 times

[late basalt]

The statistics do t really provide lore as it’s just a community thing

[charred vault]

the numbers don’t lie, and they spell disater with a capital D

[stone vine]

trolls bruh

smh my head

also im confused how the 4 main characters wouldnt be related to the lore?

theyre the main characters for a reason

[late basalt]

Yep

[charred vault]

there's no evidence to suggest otherwise bro.....

[late basalt]

Bruh

Lore vs player statistics

There is no evidence that the player stats correlate to the lore

Because to the lore. They were the only people to complete the E1 objective

[charred vault]

Mr. Dauda in the trailer says "there are different people every time, but I recognize them somehow"

clear evidence the prisoners have failed many times before eventually succeeding

like Sisyphus pushing a rock up a hill

[late basalt]

We, The player characters are the same

That doesn’t mean the lore of dauda’s past

[wraith matrix]

If you look up docs post in this channel he confirmed it

The numbers are related to the games story

What that means is still confusing

[late basalt]

Ofc. But 600 people didn’t complete the objective for E1. But 60k other prisoners prob died before we even got there

*lore wise

[wraith matrix]

Still dont like how they dont show unique completions for anything

[late basalt]

Eh. It’s fine

[stone vine]

Well'

Warden can resend prisoners on the same expedition

thats what they did to unlock E1 and D2

which would imply warden can open and shut doors ?

which is weird

[wraith matrix]

Thats a whole other can of worms

[charred vault]

TRUE we needed a certain number of clears in some rundowns too

so there must be multiple daudas, woods, and norths

[stone vine]

No

[wraith matrix]

If it necessary for gameplay, trying to find lore explanations is eh

[late basalt]

Yeah. My big assumption it that it is only for gameplay sake

[stone vine]

There is multiple prisoners

These 4 are the only 4

[late basalt]

^

[stone vine]

There are not multiple

Of the same people

It is simply the perspective we play the game from

since they canonically do not die

and have lore traced pasts

[late basalt]

Yep

[charred vault]

ok so they canonically did the same expedition 20,000 times.... that makes less sense

[late basalt]

No

[stone vine]

If clone theory existed, warden announcements would include messages like producing more clones

or more clones needed for success

[late basalt]

20k people failed before them

[stone vine]

something along those lines

[wraith matrix]

The numbers themselves I'm pretty sure don't mean anything besides telling us other prisoners exist

[stone vine]

Also lets just ignore the troll

[late basalt]

Just because we complete all of these mission. Doesn’t mean that there are other prisoners elsewhere doing their own missions

[stone vine]

hes getting shits and giggles out of us

[wraith matrix]

Because how would you be able to do an objective more than once

Yeah

[late basalt]

Yep

[charred vault]

you can't have it both ways, either there need to be more than 20,000 prisoners to unlock the next rundown, or the same 4 did the same expedition a bunch

[stone vine]

I mean, then what expeditions would they be doing to unlock E1 and D2

[late basalt]

Bruh

Other ones we didn’t see. All to the side. Out of sight out of mind

[wraith matrix]

The warden unlock thing was just the devs testing a feature

[late basalt]

Yep

[stone vine]

Hm but then the warden things being lore related would scramble that

[wraith matrix]

Doesn't make any sense story wise

[charred vault]

could the devs themselves be the warden? thoughts?

[stone vine]

Yeah we need some r3 warden tweets

we can probably look into it a bit more with more stats

[late basalt]

Lore wise. Our four completed the R2 objectives. But there are other prisoners doing other things

[stone vine]

Thats plausible, I guess we'll find out in time

;D

[late basalt]

The D2/E1 being locked is just a gameplay feature

[wraith matrix]

I always saw it as our 4 are the ones who canonically complete it, but up to that point many others have died trying to accomplish the same thing

[late basalt]

^

[charred vault]

why does dauda not remember the prisoners between rundowns though? there is some inconsistencies here

[late basalt]

People he dropped with before the main 4

Mental condition

[wraith matrix]

Imperfect memory wipes maybe

[late basalt]

There are things we don’t know ofc. ^

I like that theory

Maybe north died and he thinks it has always been Hackett. Shit like that( yes I know that north was a rename. But that is a possibility)

[stone vine]

no more north

😠

i murdered him

i am a sleeper

im the new enemy R4 you guys are gonna see me

very scary

[charred vault]

ohhhhh it makes sense now, when the prisoners canonically fail they just get their memory wiped until they win. makes sense now thank you

[late basalt]

Bruh. R/whoosh

Also nice troll as bish said

[hot burrow]

lol

[charred vault]

im just theory crafting bro take it easy...

[stone vine]

No bud u arent now sshush go back to reddit

[late basalt]

F

[charred vault]

pretty rude bro I didn't riff on your GTFO dissertation, lets keep the discussion lore focused, ok?

[stone vine]

ok gabe ❤️

kiss kiss for the chimps goodnight

[hot burrow]

🐒

[placid fossil]

didnt we talked about memory wipe doesnt exists since they remember enemies and strats

they just visit new places cuz of different objectives in different parts of the complex

[stone vine]

Yeah i dont like memory wipe theory

i think a memory wipe before they were prisoners

[wraith matrix]

Now that I think about it memory wipe doesn't make any sense

[stone vine]

but like not after their prisoner roles

[late basalt]

Possible that dead prisoners (north) was wiped

[placid fossil]

hey SCOUT dont touch the fillers

[stone vine]

exactly

they remember each enemy and how to use everything

[wraith matrix]

Its not like they have the ability to blab complex secrets to the media

[stone vine]

and eachothers names

[late basalt]

That is the only part I see in the theory

Yep

[stone vine]

Well they cant access the media

they go straight back to HSU

[charred vault]

assuming the cut voice lines are canon, they are cut after all

[stone vine]

I dont think they walk around at all other than expeditions

[charred vault]

ingame they donot refer to each other by name

[wraith matrix]

So memory wipe doesn't really fit, but maybe memories are still lost but not competely?

[stone vine]

well a memory wipe from the beginning works

as in they cant remember prior

like their past free lives

[placid fossil]

and why to hussle with memory wipe ... in every mission we get the same 4 guys ... so there for we can assume that they survive every mission they are already hardcore ace-ing every challenge and they get the skill and the knowledge the warden doenst care about their feelings and that they feel sad today so why should he waste resources on memory wipe ... not to mention there are another 21312314108934 frozen bodies behind the corner

[stone vine]

but like constant mem wipes in the prisoner status is just :\

[placid fossil]

do you refer to your friend when you talk to him in real life and u look towards him HELLO MARTIN ... okey martin

[charred vault]

the cut voice lines were like payday callouts where hes like "hey dauda, come with me move it"

but it is unlikely, but still possible their "names" are codenames

[wraith matrix]

Honestly im not sure if the trailer is even canon

[stone vine]

it is i assume

because it containes

the coords for the complex

[wraith matrix]

Thats more of an ee

[charred vault]

like who would name their kid "hackett" or "woods" those arent real names

[stone vine]

no, its the only way we knew

that this was in chixculub

before the logs came out

it was a key part of lore discussion come R1

[placid fossil]

SO HERE IS IN YOUR FACE 😄 prove

[graceful frost]

wheel decide

[stone vine]

warden really said

no ❤️

[wraith matrix]

Literally the only thing that makes it seem like the characters memories are tampered with is the trailer

[stone vine]

not even that

it just seems like dauda is like

[wraith matrix]

Idk, too much speculation

[stone vine]

it may be a memory tamper as in they remember coworkers

[charred vault]

mr. Dauda smacks his head a few times in the character selection screen

[stone vine]

or it could be talking abt previous expeditions

[charred vault]

either a headache?

[stone vine]

or it could be talking about something else

[placid fossil]

he is like i cant take this any longer im not taking another step and then constant alarm and enemies screaming a little push from the warden .... move or die

[stone vine]

yeah

warden can probably kill prisoners at will

[charred vault]

WAIT i just realized another plot inconsistency

if multiple prisoners are sent to escort the baby in A1

how would the warden retrieve it if they failed??

[graceful frost]

expeditions are all just simulations, we replay events that already occurred thousands of times

[placid fossil]

why

[graceful frost]

because wheel decide

[flat halo]

what

[wraith matrix]

If the trailer is canon, then most likely since the warden shouldn't need to wipe our memories it can only mean they are wiped unintentionally

[graceful frost]

notice how we never actually extract when an expedition is finished?

it's all a simulation for prisoners

[stone vine]

can the trolls like go back to reddit

❤️

[wraith matrix]

Yeah then you get into all the wack theories that clones, mind control and other weird things

[graceful frost]

I think my theory is entirely plausible

I don't see why that can be considered trolling

[hot burrow]

clone theory?

[graceful frost]

simulation theory

[stone vine]

im not doing this shit again

[wraith matrix]

Another way to put it is the memory wipe is on death

[graceful frost]

why do the doors reform and reshut?

[wraith matrix]

cause video games

[graceful frost]

you'd think after so many expeditions the rooms would be already raided of supplies

exactly

it's similar to a videogame that mentally trap prisoners

what worst punishment then a fake belief that you can "extract"

[wraith matrix]

I mean, it technically is a simulation

Because its a game

But thats dumb lol

[fair lion]

We're in the matrix

[placid fossil]

so u are referring the lack of game animations to simulation theory ... i believe u are just simulating healing or dmg dealt since u dont bleed or theres no heal animation

[graceful frost]

The thousands of expeditions are canon

[fair lion]

Cortex interface is that SAO thing

[placid fossil]

at this point i assume u are trolling for the sake of trolling

im out .... mic drop

[graceful frost]

yeah the sao thing is a definite troll

The warden is actually watching over prisoners who are trapped in a mental simulation where they can put themselves at risk indefinitely but never actually be freed

it's sort of meta

we're technically the prisoners who continuously go on expeditions for no certain purpose other than what the warden tells us

very clever writing if that's the case

[wraith matrix]

Honestly its not impossible, I get the feeling that the real story is way more convoluted than it seems

[graceful frost]

it definitely could be

[wraith matrix]

I also get the feeling the devs are making up the story as they go but thats just me

[graceful frost]

@stone vine what are your thoughts on the simulation theory? you're one of the more lore-educated people here so I can trust your opinion

[fair lion]

Devs said they got someone to help with story from DOOM

[wraith matrix]

I heard

R4 gonna be real interesting I hope

[hot burrow]

I hope we learn more about the characters in R4

[fair lion]

Well we all expect it to be lore-heavy cause datacenter

[stone vine]

yes

i assume we get updated auto gen log

i hope atleast

[graceful frost]

I thought vessel was going to be lore heavy like they promised

[charred vault]

i hope they use the cut databank line

[graceful frost]

oh they definitely will

[charred vault]

so when woods sees a databank he'll say "keep your eyes out for that databank"

[graceful frost]

I'm assuming the databank will hold records of some sort

[fair lion]

Vessel may be lore heavy, just with things we don't recognize as such rn cuz lack of info

[wraith matrix]

I wouldn't have high expectations for any big reveals imo

[graceful frost]

kinda hope rundown 5 will be the "prison"

[fair lion]

And what would that be

[graceful frost]

where they keep an excess of prisoners of course

being outside the complex could give us a good view on what the outside world is like

[placid fossil]

okey listen you lil pumpkins 😛 ❤️

read the damn text
HIGH PRISONER FATALITY RATE .... FATALITY RATE FATALITY DEATH ... if its matrix bullshit it will say ... JUST FAIL ... or something but they die .....

next line
I cant take this any longer . im not taking another step. not one.

SUDDEN CONSTANT ALARM AND ENEMIES SCREAMING (the warden is pushing them????)

[fair lion]

"prisoners" are sent down into the complex, i highly doubt it's somewhere we'd need to go

[graceful frost]

you never know

[fair lion]

It's probably just rooms with hsus stacked like half life 2

[graceful frost]

half life 2 had a great prison environmnet

I'd love to see GTFO's rendition if any

[wraith matrix]

Yeah R3 needs the context of R4 because rn nothing makes sense

[stone vine]

The alarm started from drop

[placid fossil]

high death rate

[stone vine]

yes selenzi

[graceful frost]

high fatality rate ESTIMATED

[stone vine]

all of them have high death rates

thats just because

there is

and error

alarm

😐

[placid fossil]

BOOM IN YAAA FAZEEEEEE to all the tin foil hats

[stone vine]

the sudden noise was probably a gunshot or an explosion

depending if it was suicide or warden killing the prisoner

The reason there was an error alarm

was because warden is attempting security override

and the reason the prisoner was probably giving up was due to the stress of the infinite waves and pressure

[graceful frost]

Is there a cleanup team for expeditions like d1?

that prelog seems like they're about to stab the baby and fight the first mother but fail

how is the baby retrieved?

[stone vine]

yes

they most likely fail

[graceful frost]

are there multiple babies?

[late basalt]

Yes

[graceful frost]

but there was only one crib right?

[late basalt]

There were multiple In The Cryo storage

As far as we know

[graceful frost]

not in e1, it seemed like just the one

[late basalt]

No. There were more there in E1

Like 15 of them

They were in the racks

[graceful frost]

hmm... okay

[placid fossil]

Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

soooo DIFFERENT prisoners ... not the same ... otherwise it will say attempts / tries / whatever

[late basalt]

I played a shit ton out of that level. So I know the map by heart

[graceful frost]

I'm pretty sure you descend as the same prisoners every time, selenezi

[late basalt]

The previous ones

The countless fails before the players

[placid fossil]

you miss the point , yes neko is right we are the ace team we survive but the others dont

[charred vault]

has anyone seen north as a prisoner?

or was he cut?

[late basalt]

Well

Renamed in R2?

[hot burrow]

no

[graceful frost]

they tweet about north

[stone vine]

north was renamed before the game was released

he was too similar

[graceful frost]

had to change his character because his name was too similar to woods

I can see that

[stone vine]

to another character

so they did a name change

thats all

[hot burrow]

to hackett

[graceful frost]

north wasn't hackett

[stone vine]

north isnt lore related

its just a name change

yes north was hackett

[hot burrow]

https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/Hackett

[stone vine]

yes

too similar

except not really

p=p

[graceful frost]

woods is very similar to north

they both have the letter "o"

[late basalt]

When they change it again

Nvm

I had to scroll up

[placid fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJP4xHwdmno&t=1s

they go downt and the keep what they take if the warden doesnt need it ... imagine getting a fridge a tv .... and then they wipe your memory and u are like oh a fridge and a tv ... oh a fridge and a tv .... oh a fridge and a tv ....

[heady swallow]

hmm cool time to watch it

[heady swallow]

when we go do solo missions

we re just getting bored in our cell

so we go for a walk

[late basalt]

Oof

[manic shuttle]

man that dmr on the documentary tho

sexy as hell

[late basalt]

The AR variant one?

[manic shuttle]

i dont know if its an ar variant or not but looks super sexy i want it

[late basalt]

I think it’s the AR 10 one. Lemme check

[manic shuttle]

its in the documentary where selenzy post it

[late basalt]

Oh wait

The Bullpup Dmr design

It’s..... interesting

[inland sonnet]

|| the error alarm in D1 || is the same exact alarm as the one || triggered at the end of C1 || correct? does that mean that those types of alarms are heard all the way through the bottom of the complex?

[late basalt]

Don’t think so

[inland sonnet]

O i see

[late basalt]

It could be tho

[inland sonnet]

was just making inference cause of the ending of C1

[late basalt]

@stone vine

Not a bad theory tho

I could definitely see it

[stone vine]

? wassup

[late basalt]

Look at his C1-D1 theory

I could see it being the case

[stone vine]

oh yeah i think that aswell

its entirely possible ther was a mother in c1

[heady swallow]

https://discordapp.com/channels/408196129470152705/585062984619917342/747912015523086386

[stone vine]

and that scream

alerted it

and it followed us down

to D1

[inland sonnet]

(I entered the game in R3 but) wasn't there an error alarm in R2 though? How was that one shut off then since don't we manually shut off the one in D1

[stone vine]

yes

error alarms

have been a thing before

but they dont last entire rundowns

this is the only one that has possibly carried on

[lilac island]

we didnt really have a way to turn it off though

[stone vine]

Its possible warden turned them off

since we needed those PIDs to get access to later levels

it could have also provided clearance for the alarm

[opaque forum]

Wouldn’t make a little sense if the Warden didn’t turn off those alarms and used them as wave distractions?

Like thinning out the heard so we can explore lower?

[storm patrol]

Maybe what we experience down there is thinned out

[fair lion]

what you think it was china down there before

[lunar hull]

Maybe what we experience down there is thinned out
@storm patrol i fear

[patent nimbus]

They should just be be blasting constant noise and light down there so the sleepers get desensitized to everything and/or die from the non-stop stimulation

[flat halo]

Idk they would need a REALLY big light to light up the whole facility

[fair lion]

Advertise the complex as an underground night club

Eventually we'll get Blade

[patent nimbus]

Rundown 4: Set up totally sick rave scene in Chicxulub crater

[late basalt]

With glow sticks

[hot burrow]

with red glow sticks

[late basalt]

Yep

[hot burrow]

don't forget to invite the MP and R1 and R2 machine gun

[late basalt]

And burst rifle

[storm patrol]

Theory: there are no sleepers, but rather humans. Neural cortex is hacked to change the visual

Nothing has gone wrong in the complex

We are being misled by Warden to infiltrate and gather [something] within it

The sleeping is because Warden put sleepy gas in the complex

THIS IS WHY WE WEAR MASKS

Think 5th wave (book/movie)

[late basalt]

Hm

Ngl. That’s a huge X

[storm patrol]

:C better than chimp

[heady swallow]

ah yes humans with huge tentacles for tongues

and giants

and ofc the orbs of light are bullets

but slowed down by the warden

[glacial solstice]

may sound dumb
but since we clear the rooms where the waves come from ?

lore based question

[solar nova]

They probably live in the walls or some shit.

[glacial solstice]

ok A1 is a lab they can break through the test chambers or something

but other levels seems strange

maybe they need to add some kind of animation where they break a wall or plate on the wall to come into the rooms

[stone vine]

I'd say they canonically come from the hole

but just for gameplay they spawn like

behind and all that

[ocean badge]

Theory

no one exists

[stone vine]

theory kek is the only person in the gtfo universe

[ocean badge]

no

[lilac island]

[ocean badge]

you are wrong

GTFO Bot is the one who exist all along

everyone is dead

[cloud swift]

No

Sorry, unable to find a tag named yes.

[lilac island]

lmao

[stone vine]

kek bad pog

[lilac island]

yo what if... the warden secretly is shrek

[ocean badge]

D:

[solar nova]

It's all ogre.

[stone vine]

Rayalot straight facts

[lilac island]

see? even ray agrees

got a solid theory right here

[stone vine]

@solar nova how do you think shrek got here? why are there ogres everywhere

[solar nova]

I mean, ogres are already everywhere. Appearing in folklore, living in the wilderness, running the deep state...

[stone vine]

ah i see

that makes it very plausible

[solar nova]

Clearly, they've just taken over in 50 years.

[stone vine]

i see

that makes a lot of sense

[solar nova]

Also, look at sleepers.

Clearly, these aren't infected humans.

They're infected ogres.

[lilac island]

OH

MY

GOD

RAY

you just solved all of GTFOs lore

[stone vine]

yes

ray youre our hero

[solar nova]

Anytime ^_^

[obsidian matrix]

lore chat is a mess

[stone vine]

👀

[obsidian matrix]

i blame you bishop

[stone vine]

;-;

i always get blame

so sad

[obsidian matrix]

good

now tell me lore so this conversation is meaningful

[stone vine]

o-o

Hole lore

monster make hole

reeeee

sleeper go up hole

[frail pollen]

-_-

[stone vine]

o-o

[frail pollen]

let's be serious please and not flood this with noise

[hot burrow]

🐒

[stone vine]

o-o

[obsidian matrix]

sorry doc :(

[stone vine]

no more chimps silly squid

also yes

sowwy doc

owo

[lilac island]

no chimpposting!

[opaque forum]

Did you guys make this chat slowmode on purpose?

[frail pollen]

Yes, as a hopes to cut down on some of the off topic/non-serious conversations here.

[patent nimbus]

So what are our best theories around the purpose of the neonate? Why exactly does Santonian have equipment for resuscitating and programming babies in this mine?

[heady swallow]

last hopes of humanity
is what i m betting on

or they re special

like apparently the 4 characters are

[patent nimbus]

Were the 4 characters once HSU-grown neonates themselves?

[heady swallow]

perhaps idk
that would mean someone rescued us tbh

and idk if anyone would be capable

[solar nova]

Presumably there is something related to the pMother trial samples which is related to the neonate, and that's why we need to retreive it.

[heady swallow]

but... WHY...? hmmm

[keen bone]

That’s why I love this game. Every time your close to answering a big question, there’s more questions and the thought of not knowing what you’re up against is terrifying

[stone vine]

oh no

yikes my bad guys p=p i should just not speak

[patent nimbus]

Any indication if the outside world is "normal"? Or has human civilization collapsed / been taken over by the Chicxulub space fungus?

[stone vine]

We don't know at the moment, there has been no indication of what the outside world's current state is.

[heady swallow]

by the start of the elevator looks post-apocalyptic tbh

[stone vine]

We don't see much, if anything it just looks bland.

[patent nimbus]

pic for reference

[lilac island]

What do I get the feeling all of this is cloning/hibernation programs gone wrong.

[patent nimbus]

Definitely sounds plausible. Especially given the "read/write DNA" thing written on the neonate capsule

[stone vine]

Its possible they used the babies as sort of usb drives to store data in the complex. Adding in the C1 DNA rewrote the baby so that we could access another part of the complex. This means that there are probably different D1 type levels with the nFrames. Datacenter contains a lot of valuable info, so you would need high access to enter it, so it would make sense why warden would have to do all this to be able to gain the access in the first place. Datacenter has the possibility to show warden the exact location of where what they want is stored. This would put the rundowns as the following: Connecting power to R2 so that we can take the baby and move to R3 where we rewrite its DNA and unlock R4(or some other information) which contains datacenter or information IN datacenter. This is just a guess, but I think in R4(like i stated above) we could be finding the location of what warden needs so that we can start moving farther down where we need to go. This would also explain all of the other missing babies, simply because there could be multiple parts of the complex that are similar to R3, allowing for the baby to unlock the sectors that they need.

Also, I've had a bit of a change of thought with my previous mother theory aswell as I noticed more than a few flaws.

I previously stated I thought the babies were there beforehand, well I don't think that much longer. As we can see with the mother there is a mix between striker, shooter, a charger, and possibly 1 - 2 more entities seeing as they have 6 pairs of arms(unless i am dumb and counted incorrectly). But, the part I want to specifically focus on is the shooter and striker. It could be entirely possible that the reproductive organs in the shooter and striker are still completely intact, just not in a "normal" way. Mother's body is rotated 180 degrees from the midpoint where there is a fleshier pink substance that looks similar to the biomass. The legs are that of a shooter and the torso to the head is a striker. In this small amount of infused biomass we can observe, the reproductive systems could have merged in a way. Allowing the mother to create new life as it encases its children in the cocoon. Think of them growing similar to the sleepers in the tanks, simply out of the mother's mid section along with the cocoons. This means that mother's can create a LOT of children, encase them in the cocoon, and once they are big enough transport them to where they need to go. The reason that we see nests in all sorts of places is simply because the mother's contain all of the blueprints necessary to build these sleepers. As I said before she is already a mix of the lot. She sends them to where they need to grow, example chargers to the biomass so that they can become encaged in the strange biomass that is on the ceiling.

This also picks up another set of questions. How on earth did a mother get into C1?

And where did it go to get out?

Its possible that the C1 biomass can be used as a mode of transport but that seems rather farfetched.

[patent nimbus]

And in terms of transportation, when are the sleepers actually moving around on their own? Are they born, set up shop in a given section, and spend the rest of their days just having a snooze?

[heady swallow]

using humans as storage would be a very futuristic thing to do that could be valid

[opaque forum]

The biomass kind of acts like enlarged cells. When looking into cells you can see that each cell creates it’s own proteins, it goes through mitosis which splits one cell into 2 so it can maintain working efficiently, and it can transport specific things it wants inside and out of it’s membrane/walls. Now look at how the biomass works, it attaches itself to sleepers and acts as it’s life support, it is giving the sleepers “something” to move, to work, to do anything really. It is spread out and it is continuous going to spread out for maximum efficiency, and I can’t really prove the third point that well right now other than the spitters “breathing”. Im using the spitters in this as a fact to point out that the spitters are not from human transformation and can be pointed at it being the true creature of biomass.

[opaque forum]

Now giving the main point over to the spitters for a second or three... the spitters in all it’s actions only does one thing, spit at you when near and makes a noise when it is doing it. The noise could just be a build up of pressure it needs to shoot out the spores. My theory and my guess to it is that it is a colony of cells or is a true cell of the biomass while the stuff on the sleepers is a receptor for whatever the spitters are producing other than this infection.

[manic cedar]

i think we shouldnt decline the posibilty of a few parasetic fungus (that cant survive sunlight airborn) whos spores took over the facility through the ventilation system(which was shutdown at somepoint) infecting the employees(that turned into creepers and chargers depending on the fungus and such and the babys dna is to edited to be immune to the chemical reactions that happen when your get infected to save the next generation of humanity)

[opaque forum]

I believe we have accepted that whole heartedly by now.

[manic cedar]

imagine the Warden is infected sending people down to get infected (got a halo flashback) the good guys are always the worst endbosses

[opaque forum]

Warden does not seem like a good guy but we don’t know his intentions yet.

[manic cedar]

we dont even know if were sendt or if we went down on our free will

[opaque forum]

True

[wet relic]

Speculations speculations speculations

The best breakfast someone can get, the best way to clutter your mind

[stone vine]

Yes

[placid fossil]

@manic cedar bruh... First few seconds
https://youtu.be/PJP4xHwdmno

[stone vine]

We are sent down against our will. Warden is trying to access something and will expend as many prisoners as it needs to do so.

[manic cedar]

@placid fossil ty btw but bro who sends you down there with weapons of you choice and why did we not use the weapons against the warden

and if we really only sendt down how can we swap weapons for each lvl normally it would be locked for all of them (logically speaking)

[stone vine]

That’s just for game play reasons

[manic cedar]

or at least it should be able to swap weapons between team mate ^^

[placid fossil]

You extract and you fall down each time soooou rest somewhere above

[stone vine]

We are stored in HSU equipped with everything. The HSU probably just get resealed at retrieval of the elevator, and the prisoners delivered back to their sectors.

[heady swallow]

why would you want to swap weapons?

[placid fossil]

Plus im pulling this out of my ass
Maybe u can have weapons but u cant fight your way the weapons might be locked on the lift untill u are rdy to use them or there are a lot of guards or even better automated defence turrets rdy to shoot u if you are trying to be funny or if u are willing to do a1 150 times

[heady swallow]

just pick what you re going to use

[stone vine]

The whole picking weapons is a gameplay feature

Not everything has to 100% be about lore

[manic cedar]

#truestory

[stone vine]

I’m sure the prisoners probably have set melees and guns within the real universe

[manic cedar]

and why are all prisoners Irish and Scottish

[stone vine]

They aren’t

[manic cedar]

ohhh reaaaallllllyyyy

[stone vine]

Dauda is Nigerian, Woods is American, Hackett is Irish, and Bishop is British

[placid fossil]

Selenezi is bulgarian

[manic cedar]

how do you know who is who

[stone vine]

Selenzi has small brain pog

[manic cedar]

😄

[placid fossil]

Dauda looks a bit different

So he is easy

The rest is voice lines

Skins?

[manic cedar]

is dauda the one with the claw marks on the helmet?

[stone vine]

Dauda is the black guy in the green clothing

Hackett is the one in the hoodie, Bishop is the bald one with the black vest, and Woods is the buff asf guy in the hazmat looking mask

[wet relic]

hazmat looking mask... a gas mask?

[stone vine]

No, gas masks look different this why I said hazmat

You can clearly see it’s completely one piece helmet over his entire head that is made out of some sort of tarp like material and a built in goggle

People will get what it looks like better because it doesn’t look like the standard gas mask.

That’s why I said hazmat 👀

[wet relic]

Meh, I'm not gonna go into it

[opaque forum]

Doesn’t hazmat include gas masks?

[wet relic]

^ Not always

[stone vine]

yeah

[heady swallow]

Pty sure they usually have oxygen tanks

[stone vine]

I was thinking some sort of dust masks. Oxygen tanks wouldn’t make sense seeing as we style breath in infectious gas. So maybe even a rebreather of sorts.

[wet relic]

It's not because he has one that it works correctly

[stone vine]

What

[wet relic]

It could be against particles as much as it couldn't is what I'm saying

[stone vine]

Look even if it was oxygen tanks they’d have to be some damn small ones

Seeing as there looks to be nowhere to store an oxygen tank on the player model at all

[wet relic]

He doesn't have to get an oxygen tank what if he goes in without it Dx

[stone vine]

-_- what

How on earth would they have oxygen tanks if they didn’t have oxygen tanks?

I’m so confused 👀

[wet relic]

I'm saying that he may have a mask for oxygen but he doesn't have the tanks left, you are assuming it HAS to work

[stone vine]

Not what I mean, I’m saying that there are no oxygen tanks

[wet relic]

Nevermind this is going no where

[stone vine]

Never said anything bout the mask not being able to connect to one

[wet relic]

Prolly should've stayed with my usual thoughts of not going into conversations

[stone vine]

I mean it’s making no sense to me atm

Because you’re refuting something I never said

[celest pagoda]

was told I should post this here

Was having a convo/debate with my friend about this, so I wanted some more opinions on it: If whatever the virus in GTFO is was to break out of the complex and find its way to mainland/populated areas, do you think humanity would survive the resulting outbreak?

[opaque forum]

No

100% we are fucked

[flat halo]

Well probably

[celest pagoda]

Imagine a town sized horde

[opaque forum]

Think about Covid and how we handled it. We Didnt handle it well and this is the result.

[flat halo]

The sleepers, atleast the strikers and shooters are not that strong and this is a decent bit into the future so there is a high change the military has advanced a decent bit

Just nuke the complex boom ez

[opaque forum]

If the infection gets that close to a surface exposure the only chance the world has is that nuke.

But we never know. Maybe radiation makes it stronger for some odd reason

[flat halo]

Maybe but even if it did the nuke would blow it all up

[opaque forum]

Which is a good thing

[flat halo]

Dont even nuke the area around it just send a nuke directly down the shaft thing

[opaque forum]

Blow up Baby Cthulhu directly

[celest pagoda]

that would be cool to see tbh

[opaque forum]

Take down the entire complex

[flat halo]

Is it really gonna be baby Cthulhu

[unborn mango]

We don’t exactly know what is causing the change from human to the infected

So, if we were to nuke the site, it could just survive

[flat halo]

I do not really like the idea of Baby Cthulhu and idk exactly why but its the devs decision I am just one guy

[unborn mango]

Oh, I didn’t mean you! I was just saying generally. It could be a parasite or a bacterium or a virus or something else that I don’t remember off the top of my head etc.

And many of the possibilities have some defense that would actually save it from a nuclear explosion. Other than destroying the body that has been taken over.

All in all, we’re pretty much still in the early spot to figure out what would work against it. (But disinfection stations seem to be the way to go. Install those everywhere, haha)

[celest pagoda]

Now that I got this running thru my mind I'm just imagining something like the 28 weeks later opening scene where Don escapes the horde, closest thing I can think to how it would look to an average survivor

[opaque forum]

The idea of Baby Cthulhu originated from what ever is making the screams on every alarm.

With the infection we are guessing it is spores from the moss like thing growing in the tubes being spread like a fungi through the fungi we see all over the complex.

[flat halo]

I mean it may be something bigger screaming but I could see it just being a bunch of sleepers screaming at the same time

[opaque forum]

There is the confirmed existence of a Prime class of mother

[flat halo]

I hope we dont have to fight another mother boss, atleast anytime soon

It would be kind of lame to have two bossfights in a row just be big versions of the mother

[opaque forum]

Well my guess is that we have to fight the Prime classes.

Like the Pcharger, Pshooter, etc.

But those are unconfirmed for existing but the fact that the Pmother exists has the potential of the Prime class of sleepers.

So yea. Exciting.

We fight the normal class, then there is the Prime class of sleepers to deal with.

[flat halo]

Well there is probably going to be bosses quite frequently from now on then I would guess

[opaque forum]

R4

R4 most likely has a boss

[flat halo]

If they are going to have a boss for every existing sleeper type plus the new ones they add every rundown

[opaque forum]

Well that’s the thing. The newer ones wouldn’t need a prime class. As they are just a little bit weaker than the Prime class.

[stone vine]

hm

[flat halo]

so you are saying a lot of the new enemies wont have boss types?

[opaque forum]

Exactly

[stone vine]

uh i dont think we should have a bunch of boss type enemies, itd be a bit excessive and ruin cthulu as a surprise

[opaque forum]

The Prime class is enough honestly.

[stone vine]

i dont need bosses, I just want something to live down in the abyss

[opaque forum]

And Prime does not necessarily mean Boss it just means stronger or Boosted

[stone vine]

yes but i dont exactly want that either, i just want cthulu

big mother is fine by me seeing as its typically a stronger enemy in the first place

[opaque forum]

Your sleeper army theory would explode if the Prime class is real you know. In a good way of course.

It would prove that Cthulhu was preparing and is smarter than we think and believe.

It proves that it knows about the baby mutations and has improved it’s effects tenfold.

[flat halo]

wait do you guys actually think Cthulhu is going to be in the abyss or is that just a placeholder name for some really big thing that creates the sleepers

[stone vine]

oh thats just our name for it

we dont know what it is yet only that its pretty big, lives at the bottom of the complex, and has control over the sleepers

[opaque forum]

It’s just a placeholder name currently until we get it’s real name.

[stone vine]

i dont know exactly what it would be like, could be anything really

[flat halo]

oh ok I dont keep up with the lore really

[opaque forum]

Im thinking squid or maybe a jellyfish like of biomass.

[stone vine]

maybe who knows

[opaque forum]

It should have a mainly pure biomass structure like the spitter but with like strong tentacles

Like a hybrid spitter

One that can attack instead of spit.

At least that is what I am predicting.

[frail pollen]

Please stop taking gtfo-lore channel off topic. This is the last warning we are going to give. This has been a constant issue with this channel. If you want to chit chat or joke around, take it to #general or #gtfo-chat if it's gtfo related.

[opaque forum]

I wasnt joking about believing that Cthulhu was a hybrid spitter. I really believe it is a good guess to what it looks like.

[lilac island]

so, i'd like to discuss babies a bit more, but with a 2min slowmode i feel like that'd go nowhere really
cuz like - how am i supposed to reply consistently, 15sec was fine

[stone vine]

Thankyou for taking the time down a notch, D0c, its appreciated.

[solar nova]

Seems fair (30 seconds for those wondering).

[frail pollen]

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[lilac island]

Anyway, babies. Why do they have sanicspeed

And where is mother exactly supposed to spawn them from

[solar nova]

And where is mother exactly supposed to spawn them from
Well...

[lilac island]

have you looked at their models closely ray?

they have no openings anywhere, and you cant tell me they fall out of the bubbles and through her body :^)

[solar nova]

I mean, there might be other reasons there are no openings.

But they probably spawn from the sacks and she probably lays those the expected way.

[lilac island]

she cant though

[solar nova]

Again, there are practical reasons that we might not get the full story from the model.

[lilac island]

:^)

bish and i have looked at mothers and the queen for an extensive amount of time and took tons of screens though. they do be kinda hot

[stone vine]

I study them

It’s possible that mother does have a way of opening the cocoons. Seeing as the babies are not actually stored within her, more of an extension to her.

Though I’ve never heard of any living thing giving birth and then using its children as a defense mechanism.

And it’s quite obvious this is not the regular way mother is supposed to give birth. If that was the case then it wouldn’t store nests on the ground, floor, etc..

Another question I have is how the cocoons even get where they do. By the looks of it mothers have no way of gripping on to walls.

[austere depot]

Not a direct lore, but a theme I noticed with GTFO.
It has to do with understanding Horror as a genere and what we the players, may derive from GTFO as a work of fiction.

"Traditionally, horror was associated with certain archetypes such as demons, witches, ghosts, vampires and the like. However, this can be found in other genres, especially fantasy. If horror is a genre, then it deals with a protagonist dealing with overwhelming dark and evil forces."
William C. Robinson, University of Tennessee

I argue that the story has less to do with the monsters themselves and more to do with the rampant necropolitics applied by the big companies that run everything from the shadows.
It is revealed through the lore logs that the syringes that build infection at overindulgence were widely distributed among the miners with little to no precaution for the dangerous side-effects. The reasoning for the wide distribution was, apparently, that they needed work done where the cables could not reach. This gives indication that the companies cared more for progress than the aquisition of more cable and the lives of those working under them.

It is hinted several times that there was need for secrecy (for the companies) and this could have played a part. I do believe however that the monsters are to represent, themetically, the broken remains of a human that has been a victim to the neglect and rampant necropolitics held at heart by the big companies.

Necropolitics, a theory developed by Achille Mbembe is described: "Necropolitics is often discussed with biopower, the Foucauldian term for the use of social and political power to control people's lives."

The companies have jacked their workers up on dangerous mutagens and forced them to work in hazardous environments, deep underground until they are barely recognizable as humans anymore.

The idea of necropolitics is to have the power to decide who shall live and who shall die.
GTFO takes it a step further with the Neonate.
The neonate is dead at the start of R3. Since Drefus has use for it however, the prisoners are sent to FORCE it back to life.

It is not even allowed to DIE.

And it is not allowed to develop or form a single, individual thought as the prisoners are later sent to subject it to neural imprinting (rewriting its neural brain functions)

As for the mothers, they could easily be a metaphor for controlled and mutilated human birth. A direct result of the mutilation left in the wake of the companies and their violent controll.
It would not matter to them if what came out was man or beast, as long as it is useful. If a hinderence, it might as well be disgusting and to be discarded in their eyes.

The cortex implants are also key to the horror of GTFO. In society as it is now, we are always being watched and followed. Tracking in mobile devices..internet cookies and etcetera. Nowadays, we think that our minds and thoughts is the last refuge for invasion.
GTFO takes the horror a step further by invading the very minds and the last private refuge of the prisoners.

...it is bloody brilliant 😁

[stone vine]

I like your take on the game 😄 hopefully we get a closer look into the storyline next rundown and have a better look at all of this

[devout geyser]

luckily next rundown has "rundown specific story elements" and hopefully more audio/text logs

[royal gull]

The cortex implants are also key to the horror of GTFO. In society as it is now, we are always being watched and followed. Tracking in mobile devices..internet cookies and etcetera. Nowadays, we think that our minds and thoughts is the last refuge for invasion.
GTFO takes the horror a step further by invading the very minds and the last private refuge of the prisoners.
@austere depot
It's implied in one of the audio logs on C1 that Dreyfuss Industries are everywhere, including yourself (as a prisonner). I also do believe of some kind of tracking system behind the story, at least for prisonners.

luckily next rundown has "rundown specific story elements" and hopefully more audio/text logs
@devout geyser
I wish you had real hints about the future logs... Especially those about the data wharehouse: why do we have to go down here ? What's the final purpose of the Warden for all the informations we gather ? What's the link with the neonates ?

[devout geyser]

i know as much as you do that was from the roadmap

[stone vine]

yes, right now we all know nothing except what a bit of datacenter looks like lol

[solar nova]

we are ALL dreyfus industries on this blessed day :)

I like that the Warden, Santonian, and the sleepers serve as multiple antagonists. We get the shady and intelligent evil as well as the animalistic monster sort of evil.

[worthy flower]

honestly, im surprised the wallwombs never open on any circumstance

[stone vine]

Most likely because once they are detached from the mother their only purpose is growing. The mother actively opens the cocoons in a way of self-defense.

[coral quest]

like a possum?

do you think that's in the DNA? Possum hybrids?

[late basalt]

Doubtful. But idk

[charred vault]

those tumors on the mother kinda remind me of fish eggs, can't rule out crossbreeding mammalians/fish

same goes for those row of teeth on a sleeper.... like a nasty piranha

[graceful frost]

They do lay their eggs in clusters and are highly territorial, like usual fish. But their natural speed and balance is deterring me the most from that kind of hybridization

[devout geyser]

it's quite interesting that they both lay eggs and have normal birth (one of the mother's attacks)

but maybe it's just the eggs on the mother's body

[shut mountain]

To be fair I believe that the mothers can both lay eggs as well as give birth as a self defense mechanism - like how a lizard would lose her tail. My idea is is that when undisturbed they lay eggs that will eventually hatch the full grown adult sleepers, but she keeps some of these eggs on the inside - when she is being threatened these eggs pop, causing essentually pre-mature birth of the strikers on the inside- resulting in the babies who then engage in combat like their adult counterparts would do after disturbance

There is a certain type of snake i believe that lay their own eggs inside - and hatch them on the inside as well, making them somewhat similar to the mothers

[lilac island]

Her model doesnt make it seem like she keeps any on the inside

Her whole body is all about supporting the eggs growing on her back

Even her skin is thick enough for her to not get damaged by bullets

[shut mountain]

And you would not expect a snake to push out alive baby snakes yet they still do. Just because there is a way a model looks like does not explain how or what reason they would biologically. Im personally confident releasing the babies is a self-defense mechanism

She can pop eggs out and then stick them on her body

thats why she has eggs and bulps on her own body

[lilac island]

Well yes, obviously it is. She cant attack herself

She is all aboit defending the eggs. If she gets threatened she rather rips some open and lets the babies inside deal with her attackers than lose her entire nest.

And mothers seem to have the bodies of a shooter and striker fused together. Most likely they can fertilize their own eggs too.

[shut mountain]

Absolutely

[lilac island]

And those eggs once detached from her are just supposed to keep growing. Membrane seems to harden a lot while still being squishy enough for whatever is inside to push it around while our attempts to break it open dont seem to get anywhere.

Really hoped devs would have done something with them instead of em just being an object rn.

[vestal delta]

maybe the mother makes the eggs then sticks em around the place to store them, but keeps a few on itself to like make them grow, kinda like how a chicken sits on its eggs to keep them warm or whatever, but when its threatened it sorta just cracks them open and lets the babies out to defend itself, it does seem to have 1 of its own defence mechanisms in the fog it creates but nothing offensive so far

[shut mountain]

I assume they are a bit like bees - expect the soldiers - aka regular trsikers and sleepers - to handle disturbance and threats

its too bad the prisoners are capable of handling the soldiers

[lilac island]

No hivemind theory please

[shut mountain]

Just because I mention that they might act similalry to bees in this tiny instance does not mean I will say hivemiund completely

[lilac island]

Shits been ruled out like 10 times already

[solar nova]

A reminder that bees are not a gestalt consciousness.

[shut mountain]

Love people assuming

[devout geyser]

it would’ve been cool if the mother was awake such as scouts, walking around and tending to her eggs.

[lilac island]

Most people went the same way rav

Im just not dealing with a theory as stupid as a hivemind again :^)

[solar nova]

Would you agree that they're probably a colony, though?

[shut mountain]

"they are a bit like bees" Im not into the hivemind theory myself, was just saying that their lack of offensive mechanism could be related to that

[lilac island]

And i dont quite see the similarity to bees

[shut mountain]

Dont think they are colony

I think they are a extremely primal species who just have different roles/sub species around like bears

same thing just a bit different

core functions same

[lilac island]

They have a leader, probably. Sleepers seem very stupid so far though.

[vestal delta]

theyre at least not hostile to eachother as far as weve seen

[shut mountain]

If they are stupid there is no reason to have a leader cause they would not follow it.

[vestal delta]

^

theyre just "ooga booga me kill" so far

[shut mountain]

Its just extremely primal - I sense and i attack

[solar nova]

They have instincts to alert allies, not to mention there is division of labor.

[sharp pollen]

It's actually very interesting that they don't target each other. Especially babies

[devout geyser]

i see how they are similar to bees, each mutation of sleeper has a different role in the “colony”

[solar nova]

This is a lot like colony creatures such as ants, bees, etc.

[lilac island]

Leader as in queen. Pmother.

[solar nova]

We don't know what Pmother refers to, yet.

[vestal delta]

the closest thing they have to a leader is a scout imo

something that can call more enemies

[lilac island]

I know ray, its the theory bish and i work on

[devout geyser]

was pmother not the d1 ‘boss’?

[vestal delta]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont think we know

[lilac island]

They have something answer the scout scream though soy

[shut mountain]

Their hearing could be so sensitive that by the time it comes to waking them up it's painful for them to hear the sounds - which is why the shreek in agony. It could be anything really

Everything is just a theory

as long as we dont get a log exactly explaining what is going on

[vestal delta]

just a game theory

thanks for watching

i hope we dont get something like that

[drowsy pebble]

ffs

[lilac island]

Whenever a wave spawns you hear something scream in the distance

[vestal delta]

"yo btw sleepers are actually aliens haha tricked you all"

[lilac island]

Way too low pitched to be a sleeper

[vestal delta]

i mean

we dont know all the sleepers

[shut mountain]

I think thats just a sound effect the dev used to signal a hoard coming and nothing actual extra

[vestal delta]

it might be a bigger guy

[shut mountain]

Overanalysation is a thing

[lilac island]

See above soy. Something big is sending em out.

[vestal delta]

its probably just a gameplay thing for now

[solar nova]

Pretty sure it's just sleeper noises myself, I don't think we need any better explanation.

[vestal delta]

if they ever make it so that there are different types of hordes it would be cool if the scream sound changed depending on it

[lilac island]

"Its prolly just gameplay" coming from mods and admins seems like an excuse btw

[vestal delta]

that might make me more willing to believe they are listening to something else

[shut mountain]

Or I might just actually believe in that. I dont know why just because Im an admin what I say is different from a regular user

[vestal delta]

not every small detail has some deep lore behind it

[lilac island]

Oh it doesnt have to

Analyzing is fun though

But i understand, having fun is not appreciated here.

[vestal delta]

we arent saying to not have fun, im just saying that you might be over analysing things a bit much

[shut mountain]

^ Overanalysing happens a lot because people stress too hard on solving things, essentially ending up with not seeing the forest thanks to a tree.

Also I dont know why us believing in it not being a big thing means no fun, you can disagree with us and have your own theory, we just said for us its nothing more than a gameplay sound to make it known for players they have a horde situation.

[lilac island]

I know how unlikely some things are, dw. The funpolice aint holding me down.

[devout geyser]

that is an interesting idea, though. some bigger smarter enemy that we haven't seen is calling the waves to attack a certain zone

[vestal delta]

yeah its something id like the devs to maybe look at more

[lilac island]

Alerts seem to be quite disturbing to it too

Seeing as it sends out wave after wave until the alarm is silenced

[frozen storm]

Newer player, I was wondering if all the Rundowns are linked in chronological order, or are they even related? I know the characters are always the same, and each Rundown is kind of an episodic series, is there an underlying story I'm missing, or is everything still pretty vague?

[flat halo]

They are in chronological order but everything is still pretty vague story wise, you did not miss all that much in Rundowns 1 and 2 story wise

[waxen granite]

Their hearing could be so sensitive that by the time it comes to waking them up it's painful for them to hear the sounds - which is why the shreek in agony. It could be anything really
@shut mountain I think the same thing for light too

[royal gull]

not every small detail has some deep lore behind it
@vestal delta
I agree with that statement, over-speculation about a specific mechanic that was added in the first play without any form of lore information like logs or scattered files is wasting too much energy when you can't state a 100% sure. That's just dreaming. As someone else said, the tree hides the forest. We could, as a community, already have a definite timeline of the events in the main story for exemple.

Newer player, I was wondering if all the Rundowns are linked in chronological order, or are they even related? I know the characters are always the same, and each Rundown is kind of an episodic series, is there an underlying story I'm missing, or is everything still pretty vague?
@frozen storm
On the wiki page of GTFO thet lore section and logs of previous rundowns can give you hints about what hapened in the Complex. Be wary though, may have spoilers for the current rundown..

[fair lion]

yeah not everything is lore related. The problem is that we don't know where the line is drawn. I'd personally say the wave spawn screams need lore behind them, even if there's actually none right now
Unless some big changes happen before launch and spawn mechanics become drastically different from now

[coral quest]

I think it may have something to do with chimps and the way they congregate in the wild

[graceful frost]

You'd think so right? At least for the normal and larger strikers. The mother seems like an entirely different hybridization

[coral quest]

that might be related to the shrimp theory

[frail pollen]

Can you expand on what the chimp theory is and any info you have that backs it up?

[graceful frost]

I always thought the shrimp theory was a little unusual. But what I theorized as of late was the uncanny similarities between seahorses and mothers and the way they give birth in such large clusters

Human based testing seems to have occurred throughout the lab, obviously showcasing genetic crossing and overall hybridization. The sleepers show many similarities to chimps, their behavior especially (that behavior being social and having pack based relationships). The bigger sleepers could be seen as the alphas of the pack. It's not too far off to believe that the sleepers could be hybridization of a primate species as well as the more evolved homosapien.

[coral quest]

Beep is correct- there is clear resemblance between the way sleepers behave/move/are rendered to that of chimps- given that chimps in the wild are consumers of Foxfire, a bioluminescent fungus(also called chimp fire), this could explain the glowing of the sleepers

[celest pagoda]

Something I'm confused about are the few dead bodies that appeared to have BEEN scientist/employees turning into normal strikers, but stopped and are just rottin'.

[late basalt]

Yes. It seems wayyyyy more likely that it is a virus of sorts that infected the facility personnel. Possible from those plants that were in the display cases in the labs/ the fog throughout the facility. It is very unlikely that they are hybrids of chimps, like gravy said, there are human bodies in the positions of common sleeper positions.

Also there being no proof of hybridization

[wraith matrix]

spore chimps

of course, you've cracked this mystery wide open

[lilac island]

You all seem to forgot how often animal testing is used.

Rest assured, if the Complex wanted anything, considering Dreyfus rules most of the world or at least has a hand in every single pocket; gorillas and apes/chimps would be one of the easiest things to procure.

Especially if it's done via proxy of another company, for another reason, things like that are done all the time, highly illegal but money talks.
I won't throw out any possibility that animal DNA could be in the sleepers. We only know so much and we're only 3 rundowns deep.

But with all the mutations and the strange genetic makeup of the sleepers in general, it's hard to argue that there isn't more than one thing inside them, take the sleeper mouth for example, eels are cool.

Also for that chimp theory. Replace every word of chimp with any animal and you have the basic fundamental steps for survival instincts, having those doesn't make you too unique, anymore. Now when the fuckin' sleepers start speak in a language other than a standard predatorial alert/call for help, then we can start gettin spicy.

[late basalt]

F

[lilac island]

The scout doesn't scream anymore, it's evolved, it just looks at you and says "Really, dude, my shoulder?" and then proceeds shout "FUCK THAT HURT" after it registers and thats how everyone shows up now.

Intelligent sleepers soon pls.

[graceful frost]

I don't see why creative liberties can not be taken for a horror fiction that includes a giant hole dug into the Yucatan peninsula. Animal testing is not unusual; chimp testing, in that regard, is not unusual. That's not to say other species were tested on, the sleepers exhibit multiple characteristics from a wide array of species, but their behaviorial characteristics are that most similar to a chimp.

[fair lion]

this looks like it's half shit-posting but i do really want to see interactions between sleepers
sleeper hierarchy, smalls being treated like objects to throw at players, some leaders, whatever, just give me interactions

[lilac island]

their behavioral characteristics display the same level of complexity of any average animal, there is no real hard factor that pushes them left or right in this regard. I could argue their hive mind is more akin to that of ants, the queen, the warriors, the workers.

I made that joke as a shitpost, but, the idea of sleepers mumbling or trying to make out human words is kinda what I wanted to go for, the scout thing was just kekw. Showing higher intelligence would at least give us clues, it would support the chimp theory as it would mean they're capable of that level of intelligence, or that of Dolphins.

Far as I'm concerned at the moment, until we know more, Sleepers are a mix of many different genetic tests and DNA splicing to really be narrowed down without an actual list. Though they all seem to be very amphibian so, frog tongue

[fair lion]

you say social and packs, but in reality they only react to each other's screaming for the most part
we haven't seen them use group tactics, try to protect something or whatever
all they see is what they need to kill

[graceful frost]

I would love to see more social interaction between sleepers in future updates.

[lilac island]

They do hang out in packs, and groups. But they don't appear to have any higher communication skills.

They communicate, as far as I can tell, like frogs.

[fair lion]

seeing how mothers crap them out in groups, maybe they were just born sleeping in groups

[graceful frost]

There is definitely a social hierarchy that isn't expanded on.

[lilac island]

Oh we know it's there, it's obvious, the Primes ectra. What we really wanna know is just what make a sleeper a sleeper.

She may shit out the the baby sleepers but they look un-ready, like they haven't been incubating enough. Defense measure.

Not so much shitting out in groups, but, "I can make a lot more real quick, so, defend me."

[fair lion]

if i can nitpick it's more a "kill them" than "defend me"

[lilac island]

True.

[graceful frost]

I would like to think that the babies released by the mother die prematurely. The tumors on the walls that go undisturbed regardless of its surroundings might be where the sleepers we encounter the most come from

[late basalt]

finish him

[lilac island]

Wall eggs =/= wall scaks

[graceful frost]

Could the wall sacks be pre-gesticulated or post-gesticulated?

[lilac island]

No, the wall sacks are a mutation/creation of something totally different. The moving wall balls that have things inside them are the babies growing.

Wall sacks to me seem like a very basic defense mechanism from whatever organism lives here.

They don't do a lot of damage, they scream, and light makes them shy away. Sounds like a basic defense system, higher intelligence?

And by don't do a lot of damage I mean. It hurts you and infects you.

[graceful frost]

I wasn't talking about spitters, I was talking about the actual tumors/sacks that were on the walls

[lilac island]

Yes, those are most likely sleepers. Kinda accepted that a long time ago, the big question that comes after that is how do they come out.

[graceful frost]

I'm pretty sure spitters are the most underdeveloped lore wise, you aren't given anything on what their origin could be

That being said, you could look as each variation of enemy type that isn't a Sleeper as a different type of hybridization.

The only similarity between the mother and the sleeper is the human mutated physique and her capability to spawn temporary sleepers in defense

Perhaps the mother is a different species/hybridization entirely? Her life being solely dependant on her capability to give birth (her dying only if you shoot all remaining sacks on her) could be a forced alteration to a distinct gene pool

[lilac island]

Problem is they all seem to come from the baseline sleeper, or at least with that DNA in mind. As for your hybridization theory, that's what we can assume its defense is to counter humans, create a better killer. This feels more, as I said, like a giant mess of DNA from other animals.

Hot take, they were treating to create the perfect predators that could be adaptable to anything.

[graceful frost]

For the perfect predator, they do attribute a lot of "prey" like behaviors

[lilac island]

Sleepers dont seem to need to eat, they seem to sleep/relax like frogs or like plants almost. They can be birthed out instantly but take time to develop properly, they kill and adapt the best part of whatever they kill.

Problem is, we don't know how early/young into the experiments this was, these could all be the prototypes gone loose and spread, not ready, but they know what they can do.

With others being different variations of the sleeper, that they created to try and counter that "We have a sleeper so lets expand on it, can we make it harder to kill?" "Let's give it strength and size."

So, they take a gorilla or otherwise bigger animal and splice the DNA in, that's why imo the titan goes ROAR! like a fucking gorilla when it hits you like a merry-go-round

Or, at least, like a bear crossed with a gorilla.

[late basalt]

Or. It’s just an infection and biomass. Not mutations

[graceful frost]

Exactly. There definitely could be the possibility that most of the experiments were done were done for the pursuit of a weapon

[lilac island]

Could be, but that can't explain how there's so many of them without genetic mutations and a baseline to get there.

You're forgetting, how the fuck does this moss/biomass know all this shit and enough to expand on it enough to get functional beings out of itself like this, this quickly, in this much variation?

[graceful frost]

The sleeper variants seem more deliberate than anything

[lilac island]

This biomass is, if that's the logic, either an alien, controlled, or sentient life defending itself.

[late basalt]

Could be like the flood. Inherits the knowledge of the species it controls

[lilac island]

A biomass wouldn't need to create so many variations to handle a problem, it would make one and solve it forever.

Like growing over the doors and holes, easy, no one gets in or out.

[late basalt]

It then in theory wouldn’t be all knowing. But very limited

[lilac island]

This feels like it's testing us as much as we're testing it.

[late basalt]

Yeah. True

[lilac island]

We come down with something new, it shows up with something new to counter something we did.

[late basalt]

It’s adapting to us

[lilac island]

Shadows counter our eyes, and can only be seen with the biotracker, a mechanical thing it wouldn't understand so, we had an upper hand.

[late basalt]

But that would mean it has at least some knowledge of humans. Possible that it does inherit human knowledge when consuming the host

[lilac island]

But they could be seen in just the right angle/light, but it's clear that the thought put into those creations, are just astounding, a cloaking creature like that.

Imagine the military applications of that. As for the tech thing, it doesn't. But it learns slowly. Every time we die we leave our gear. It has time to go around and check things out. It sees through all its sleepers I would guess.

So I imagine whatever is down there just waits, watches us come down do what we do and plans accordingly for the next time we come down.

[late basalt]

Well. I don’t personally believe in the hive mind theory

Doesn’t mean there isn’t something lurking around watching the prisoners

[lilac island]

It's defending its home as much as we're preparing to attack it every time. Even if it's not a hivemind they do clearly have some level of communication, but it's just not hinted enough.

[late basalt]

Yes. I agree

[lilac island]

But, above else, these sleepers behave 100% like earth born animals, how they are created is another story.

[graceful frost]

I'd rather like to think that whatever is down there is a result of experimentation, not a result of a counter effort

[lilac island]

It's both.

[late basalt]

I still think it is an infection. It’s kinda clearly taking over human hosts

[graceful frost]

Perhaps the variations are actually a man made effort to deter easily countering the sleepers?

[lilac island]

Perhaps the biomass was experimented on, and was able to adapt the human made sleepers, and created more patterns from it.

[late basalt]

I will expand later. I have some errands

[lilac island]

If anything it's adapting us.

[graceful frost]

You might be right, but could whatever be affecting a sleepers mutation or adaptation be also affecting the surrounding environments?

[lilac island]

The more rundowns the more we'll have to talk about, these are basically old theories reworded.

[graceful frost]

The whole "it's changed" concept of C1 seems very deliberate

You're right, only so much can be said with only so much information given

[lilac island]

Iridium is worth something to everyone, imagine just how much you could make if you managed to grow things with more Iridum ppm than deep space asteroids? You would be the wealthiest megacorp in history and possibly into the spaceage. A sustainable rare resources, unheard of.

Check how much Iridum ppm is in some of the shit here, it's pure beyond words, unbelievably pure.

[graceful frost]

I'm certain the Iridium had a direct effect on dreyfus' globalization

[lilac island]

Oh 100%, this mine alone is priceless. 100% you cannot buy this mine for all the money in the world, that's why no one's come in to do anything, touching this mine would bankrupt a government, but not a megacorp as wealthy as Dreyfus.

I bet the governments of the world know about this, and are aware and supporting Dreyfus, prisoners could easily juts be deathrow inmates sent down to get a chance at release.

This is 2050, morality could change over the next 30 years, overpopulation and such. I for one wouldn't mind seeing that done to prisoners who were hopeless, hell if I was down on my luck I'd sign up willingly.

[graceful frost]

I would like to think that any work done in those depths is almost 100% the work of incubated prisoners or other indentured servitude

[upbeat frost]

Do you guys noticed that the Bullpup and the SMG's mag size is the same?

[naive void]

exposed

[upbeat frost]

It's possible that they use the same type of ammo

[late basalt]

Yeah. So are a lot of the gun parts

If you noticed. The Hel gun, rifle and DMR all share a magazine. The sniper and Hel rifle do. The two MG’s did. And the MP shared the same magazine with the SMG/ carbine

[frail pollen]

That's not anything lore related

[late basalt]

I realize. It definitely helps with development time. But can reference the lore for common calibres or parts like the commonality of the real world AR15

[naive void]

Rifles and SMGs typically have different calibers, making common ammo a nonsense

[late basalt]

Bruh. As you should realize. I didn’t say that. I said that certain guns most likely have part / magazine / calibre swapping capability similar to an AR. Ie the SMG, carbine, Bullpup, and MP all share the same magazines and calibres. As is the case with a few other guns. The AR and BR look to be based of the same gun with a bufferless upper and a new handguard on the BR. The case is similar with the rifle and DMR, they look to have the same general designs with a different magazine well for the rifle to accommodate 5.56 vs what looks similar to something like a .50 Beowulf of the DMR. Then a new heavy stock that covers the buffer tube on the DMR and a more typical AR grip and adjustable stock mounted straight to the buffer tube on the rifle. Tho the case of the DMR and rifle may be similar to the AR10/15 where one came first and a later variant was up/down scaled to fit a different calibre.

[late basalt]

I have a lot more and can def go into the assumed mechanics behind the guns too. But ima just write that at a later point. But you get the gist

[lilac island]

Problem is, if this is how guns are going to be, modular slap on a new front or so to them, I'm going to just give up.

Hopefully this is just an EA thing that doesn't move over into full release so I'm not sitting there like a Republic Commando swapping fucking parts on my DC-17.

[late basalt]

Well I doubt it’ll ever be that in depth. But lore wise, just like irl, you can more or less part swap your gun to fit whatever purpose you need it to fulfill

I personally don’t want the dead space move of a frame that can take anything

[lilac island]

I personally want to build my gun from the ground up and not have restrictions, similar to Blacklight Retribution. Freedom of gun creation to your play style would be kino and lore accurate if it's true; a lot of companies put their stock into Dreyfus.

[upbeat frost]

What's the topic today?

Weapon Mags?

Arbalist and Veruta's mag are the same

But Veruta's mag extended longer a bit

but have wayyyy more capacity

[frail pollen]

There's no lore related to the weapon mags or really weapons in general so let's not go down that path please.

[fair lion]

So weapons being assembled and whatnot

[brazen lava]

Dumb question from someone who does not know the lore: Are the events taking place in GTFO "real" or are they part of a simulation on the prisoners? The mental stability of the prisoners is discussed a lot.

[lilac island]

Its real.

[lilac island]

Sorry, was gonna expand on that and got distracted. These are real events happening in real time. It's just that Dauda has some connection to more than just the current events, it's hazy at best but, until we know more everything's up in the air aside from super grounded things.

[lilac island]

@brazen lava This is a lore video I found and partially answers your question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5F_q-Zbnms

Highly recommended interested into watching it, because of this. I am now much more interested into the law.

[placid fossil]

this one too

https://youtu.be/J4IwQnPXO0A?t=1

[hidden shale]

I really like the WowBagger Video...both of them

[waxen granite]

The problem with that video is that we can't say Garganta is the complex. The coordinated at the loading screen showed Chicxulub GPS coordinates, which is (according to the email) not the same place as Garganta. The place we are at could be the "mining operation," Garganta, or another unnamed place. We can't say we are at one or the other as the video claims.

[stone vine]

They are two different complexs. R2 email says so.

[upbeat frost]

So​ the​ one we're in​ has another name?

[stone vine]

Most likely

[tame goblet]

show us the R2 email, which one is it?

[devout geyser]

From:              Andrew Clinton B035
To:                J…o Davies A001
Date:              August 01st, 20…
Subject:           Breaking Ground
Mr Davies,
The external walls at Garganta have been poured and I have been given an estimate of 8 weeks for curing before we can start drilling the primary shaft.
I am sure you heard about the accident we had at pump #14. The flooding was quickly contained, and all workers have signed the necessary waivers and NDAs. I want to assure you the report will indicate the accident happened at the mining operation and not at Garganta. If any official agencies do raise concerns over our methods, they will direct their attention to the Chicxulub operation first, and we will have time to adjust as necessary at Garganta before they stick their noses in. I feel I should inform you that the representative from McCallister Aggregates (the concrete suppliers) had a lot of questions about the project. I gave him no information, but I think it may be worth keeping an eye on McCallister’s involvement. They’re a bit invasive. Our contract with them runs for another 2 years, but we should consider finding a more discrete supplier for the internal construction of the facility. There is nothing to worry ourselves about yet, but once full construction begins it may be hard to keep the more sensitive operations under wraps. Both N(yxo)s and Rockford have been tactful so far, and I believe both companies offer adequate molding and forming facilities that would meet our needs. Nyxos in particular has proved to be a reliable supplier and knows not to ask too many questions. I will inform you once drilling starts. Please let me know if you intent to visit the site so I can make the necessary arrangements. There are a lot of people here and while security is tight, I would like it to be tighter should you decide to come and see the work for yourself.
Andrew Clinton

[stone vine]

See, they use chixculub as a cover up for garganta

Meaning they can’t be the same thing

[tame goblet]

If they're using chixculub as a cover up, surely that means garganta is even bigger and more important.

[upbeat frost]

A question, does the event that happened here happened to garganta?

[stone vine]

We don’t know that at the moment, could be

[royal gull]

I agree with the fact we can't be 100% sure the Complex is the same place as Garganta. For exemple, we dive in what I call different biomes: laboratory with samples and biometrics, mining grounds with mining tools, shafts and drilling machines, power plants with energy production and storage facilites with numerous shelves and goods.
In every biomes we already crawled in, there supposedly was no such thing as "pump #14" that is the main reason the mail above was written. Plus we know that those pumps should be found in Garganta operation cause they covered the incident with their mining operations at Chicxulub.

[harsh spire]

Or its just a name for another thing since to me the "flooding" would rather be some sort of creature we've allready seen

(A horde basically)

[stone vine]

It says a pump leak. I don’t think that has to do with any enemies. By the looks of it there weren’t many casualties from the minor tone of the email, but, then again, they could just be good at hiding it. The garganta and chixculub operations aren’t the same thing or they wouldn’t be using chixculub as a cover up. If the facilities were already being flooded by enemies the email would be much more severe. The pump could have contained anything since flooding isn’t really a heads up to anything specific. This could be a water leak, gas leak, something we’ve seen before or something entirely new. And we are most likely in the chixculub operation which is why we haven’t found pump 14. All in all we might never find it and have to learn through logs. So, basically, I’d say this occurred elsewhere but definitely had an impact on something important.

[upbeat frost]

why don't they just blow the 2 places, or it is too important?

[harsh spire]

@stone vine they could just call it a "flooding" as in a level got contaminated with gas

or there was a breach in containment

[royal gull]

@upbeat frost What do you mean by "blow the 2 places" ? What's the context for using the verb blow ?

[stone vine]

@harsh spire They specifically talk about a pump leak prior to stating this, though.

[harsh spire]

which could very well be the original incident and the they say that it "flooded"

[cedar prawn]

I am writing this message in this chat for my first time, so...don't really mind if I am repeating someone's theory or just totally mistaken.
What if that prisoners are being controlled by someone remotely? When you launch the game, you can see something like: "CORTEX CONNECTION ESTABLISHED" or some other stuff. What if the Warden controls these prisoners, even not minding it? Remember the trailer? When 'he' wakes up, 'he' doesn't scream or something, and all other stuff. Maybe, when he is establishing the connection with these prisoners, he also takes there memory, thoughts and other stuff. Maybe it is the only way for him to control prisoners normally and prevent them from just suiciding.
Remember, it is just a theory of the guy who played this game only for 5 hours. I will be very pleased if you correct me in some places, or just share your opinion with my idea.
And yeah, thanks for reading.

P.S Maybe this 'CORTEX' is just some kinda of neural HUD or something. Or some other soft for controlling or tracking these prisoners.

[stone vine]

Yeah this is the general idea we have for what it is

[cedar prawn]

You mean that we already know prisoners are remotely controlled?

[stone vine]

No like that’s the theory we all generally have atm

So we agree on it

[cedar prawn]

Oh, didn't really know that.

[stone vine]

Lol

[cedar prawn]

But this theory has one small problem.

The Warden actually wants them to do something...somehow...
OR somebody else from their group wants someone to do something.

[stone vine]

of course warden wants them to do something? i dont see an issue

[cedar prawn]

BUT! Who controls them? Like, if we are talking about the Warden controlling all 4 of them, then why do they need to communicate with each other and why don't they do everything as planned?

[stone vine]

Warden isn't exactly controlling every single aspect of them. He can implement HUDS and objectives as well as generally keep them from committing, but even he doesn't know how a mission will go or how prisoners will perform. This is why he sends them on so many, a lot of prisoners to do not complete expeditions. Warden has access into all of their brains via Cortex NI, but it doesn't mean he can 100% control their every move or actions.

It simply allows him to overseer expeditions as well as provide much needed information. If a prisoner steps out of line he will probably do something about it.

[cedar prawn]

Sounds logical. But I just meant that he controls all 4 of them, not realizing it. Well, I mean this is what my theory was about.

[stone vine]

Another reason I have for Warden not knowing whats in every expedition is D1. A Warden message pops up that states biomass present in (error text). This means he can only detect a biomass and doesn't know what the prisoners should expect.

Ah, I see, your theory was generally on the same path as mine. Just a small difference.

[cedar prawn]

Maybe, ||Mother ||in D1 has some kinda shield or something. Or she is too big)0)00)))0)00)).
Oh, so I am wrong a little.

[devout geyser]

yeah, same with R2B1.... there's a biomass detected, but the warden doesn't know exactly what it is

[stone vine]

Yes, that means he actively progresses through the missions with the prisoners in a way.

[cedar prawn]

What if...The Warden is ||Mother||? She wants those prisoners to get her to other 2412357128509 or somewhat prisoners to consume them?

It kinda junky theory, but maybe...

[stone vine]

No I dont think so

[devout geyser]

i don't think the mother is that intelligent tbh

[cedar prawn]

They are something like Hivemind, so she could be that smart.
Oh really?

[stone vine]

They arent a hivemind at all

If that was the case, one single sleeper waking up would set off the rest instantly, they communicate using a scream

And that scream only wakes up things within a certain radius

And also if there are no doors, walls, etc in the way

[cedar prawn]

Maybe this is some...special Hivemind or something?

[stone vine]

No, its more of just a colony, hivemind is something like warpers in subnautica if youve played it

They actively collect info aswell as share it with other recipients, sleepers don't do that

[cedar prawn]

But still, Mother can be that smart.

[stone vine]

Hivemind means stored intelligence among a collective group, this is not the case with the sleepers behavior

I think mother is slightly more intelligent aswell, but not to the point it would understand a lot

[devout geyser]

i don't think the mother is the leader either. i think there's something bigger and much deeper in the complex, the one that roars for alarms

[stone vine]

Simply that it can react to situations and its surroundings with more awareness

and yes chxse I agree, something had to make the holes and it wasn't explosions

[cedar prawn]

i don't think the mother is the leader either. i think there's something bigger and much deeper in the complex
So this bigger thing wants to consume all this stuff.

[stone vine]

Think of it this way

[cedar prawn]

This big thing consumed those babies who probably had something stored in their memory, and now it is coming for the prisoners.

[stone vine]

There is a queen of sorts that lies at the bottom of the complex. It can send out waves of sleepers (the red ones) out when there is a threat in the complex. It is building a sort of army, thus why it doesnt send all of them. It creates holes to allow sleepers more access throughout the complex. Everytime something screams, scouts, alarms, that is loud enough. It will pick it up and send a wave.

Also, the fact we have a lower pitched mother scream in C1 makes me think we definitely have something larger.

[devout geyser]

nah the c1 scream is the mother

but i agree with everything else

[stone vine]

Nope, both are different, one is lower pitched

[stone vine]

Ever opened both doors at the same time?

[cedar prawn]

I mean plus to chxse.

[stone vine]

Im replying to chase aswell

[devout geyser]

wait which two doors

[stone vine]

The alarm doors leading to that, yeah. The ones that scream. In C1

[cedar prawn]

Btw, are all Rundowns tell different stories and happen in different locations, but connected to the main plot?

[devout geyser]

all the rundowns are connected

it's like an ongoing story

[stone vine]

They are in the same place, the complex is one place we just simply go to different sectors.

[devout geyser]

^ just different sections

[cedar prawn]

So, different stories, but same locations and main plot?

[stone vine]

Not stories either

All connected, just different parts of the complex, the stories simply get longer as we go on(we get small amounts of evidence each time to bring together)

[devout geyser]

like r1 was just getting to r2, r2 was bringing the baby to r3, and r3 was hooking up the baby

[stone vine]

And yeah

[devout geyser]

not sure how r4 will connect, but there's supposed to be more lore in it than any other

[stone vine]

R1 was a power sector, R2 was a cold storage sector, R3 is a baby sector, R4 is some sort of data sector with an unknown final objective

[cedar prawn]

And nobody knows how many Rundowns are planned?

[stone vine]

No

[devout geyser]

yeah nobody knows how big the complex is

[cedar prawn]

Maybe it is some sort of instantly changing megastructure.

Like, infinite, changing, strange and anomalous thing.

You remember this ‘it has changed’ message?

While previewing one of the Rundowns. C or D.

[stone vine]

No, I don't believe that its infinite. And that was c1

[devout geyser]

yup, that's because r3c1 is the alpha c1 but a different version

[stone vine]

Yeah

[cedar prawn]

But like...maybe...again, that is just a theory.

[stone vine]

Not sure if its lore related because doc was saying it wasn't a while ago.

[cedar prawn]

Maybe it is all just a dream.

A nightmare I mean. Really shitty nightmare.

But that kinda easy to relate to any plot, so...

And yeah, does anybody notice that almost all sleepers are women?

Like, form of their body and other stuff.

[stone vine]

No, theres about an equal mix. Scouts, Shooters, Big Shooters, Hybrids are women. Shadows, Big Shadows, Strikers, Big Strikers, Chargers are men.

And mothers don't really have an explainable gender :/

[cedar prawn]

Mother is like...made of different parts I guess.

[stone vine]

Yeah exactly

[hot burrow]

It looks like its made from 2 people

[stone vine]

More than that it seems, it has 6 sets of arms.

Plus it uses whats visibly a charger, striker, and shooter. So its 3 minimum.

[cedar prawn]

I guess The Warden just took control over some prisoners and now sending them down to test some virus on them also.

[stone vine]

No, I don't think Warden is testing the virus on them. They have gear that actively combats infection. They simply retrieve items he needs for his final objective.

[torn anchor]

Is there any small lore details I missed from Rundown 1 and Rundown 2? Barely played 1, but 3 im completing right now.

[devout geyser]

^ https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/Rundown#Previous_Rundowns

[fathom pulsar]

wait if the whole story so far has been about the baby, isn't it just dark souls death stranding

[indigo gale]

I wonder how those Shadows came to be, as in those infected.

That must be a very curious mutation.

[stone vine]

Yeah, it’s quite abnormal

I don’t think that there is even a scientific explanation for it

I looked through sea animals, animals, human cases and couldn’t find any conditions like that

[fathom pulsar]

translucent body maybe; you might be able to change the chemical makeup of bones, skin, flesh, stuff like that, or conduct surgery, but that's all assuming GTFO isn't set in a universe with more advanced bio-manipulation tech or just different rules of biology

[stone vine]

Yeah I’d say our best bet is that there was some tampering with the fungi or the patients that caused this variant to be created

[late basalt]

Tbh I have a feeling the in-game shadow effect isn’t lore related. But it is akin to something similar to an octopus or chameleon

[last schooner]

You guys should not try to remove the fantastic element from the game. They're basically ghosts and if you really want some logic explanation it could very well be any futuristic or alien tech or unknown radiation half-transposing the body into another dimension.

[late basalt]

I doubt that. Not to mention it supports to hybridization theory between animals and sleepers (as much as I hate that theory)

Like I said. I believe the effect is def lore related, but not the way it works in the game. The In-game effect is most likely a gameplay mechanic. Nothing more

[stone vine]

Yeah you’re right it does

[flat halo]

But will we be able to jump in or on it without dying

[stone vine]

Not sure, it appears its at the bottom of the hole or atleast expanded from down further.

This may be a C or D tier mission in that case. I assume C because that seems to be the pattern of the biomass so far.