looks like something you could use in the fog areas
#gtfo-lore
fair lion
lilac island
Anyone streaming?
vernal vector
Can sleepers communicate with each other, bc I am positive they do but I don't know how. Someone said that the sleepers and the scouts exhibit many similarities to hive-like societies like ants or bees and such. Do we think they send off like chemicals to communicate with each other (besides the sounds they make and the reaction to sounds/movement)
Please @ me if you have a response, much easier for me to see
vast lance
Btw the prisoners are only controlled by another person, the cortex interface indicates it
stone vine
Yeah warden
vast lance
It also may be the wardens screen
stone vine
Most likely because the prisoners shouldn’t have access to the rundown
@vernal vector So, hive minds need to be able to spread info pretty quick. We can tell that they have extremely fast communication through how hoards upon hoards can appear at the sound of an alarm. And they come from far out of hearing range of the alarms. They can communicate in big or small variations. An example is when the sleepers glow. They slowly move the light from their feet up in order to feel for possible vibrations. As soon as one feels the vibration, it immediately feels the need to “call it’s friends”, or in other words exterminate the threat asap. They each have certain communication calls and alarms. This is why the sleepers respond to scouts and aggravated sleepers, but not when you kill them.——continuing
fair lion
i think you mean horde*
stone vine
Oops
Sorry
Wrong version of the word
Also, Hive mind communication is not very well thought out. The main goal is to spread and protect one entity at all costs. Like, for instance, in a bee hive all the bees have to protect the queen, the leader of the hive mind. In order to spread the info of being attacked bees will spread certain chemicals or downright go into full panic. These are easily picked up and transmitted through one creature to another. Hive minds also take experience into their communication system. This would explain adapting to the alarms. Alarms work exactly like scout calls which shows adaption has been obvious, and they can adapt very quickly. I don’t know exactly how they figured it out but it seems like they would’ve had to do that.
So that’s a basis of hive minds and how they communicate.
Oh yeah, and they’re all assigned roles as well. Each role is treated a certain way and has a certain job that only they carry out.
A theory of mine is that the nests are how they spread info, because it could be possible that any info picked up from a sleeper is transmitted straight into the nests.
And the nest could be the basis of operations where all info is transmitted from and the hive minds heart is
Sorry if I repeated myself a few times I’m really tired
solar nova
Btw the prisoners are only controlled by another person, the cortex interface indicates it
This doesn't seem to be the case. The interface seems to be what gives us our HuD and the holographic scans. It makes no sense for it to be some sort of remote control considering our characters are static and organic.
tepid sedge
The cortex interface looks like juste here to monitoring some health datas and see what the prisoner is seeing
vast lance
And why does it says cpnnection to Interface lost
craggy plank
I'm pretty sure the sleepers communicate through light. Red is pissed off, blue alarm. Might explain why they are so sensitive to it also.
vernal vector
@stone vine But what if they are protecting a queen? We dont have a lot of info, but in one of the trailers for the game, there was a scene where this long leech-like thing appeared from the darkness and then the trailer stopped. It is possible that they got low enough to reach the queen or an important figure in what might be a hierarchy of the hive.
@craggy plank wdym by blue alarm?
craggy plank
Scouts glow blue before yelling
stable urchin
Then our lights might mean, Fuck you in their light language
I can understand they get angry
vernal vector
oh yeah... but still, if you clear out an entire room and then kill the scout it still alerts people from different zones, so I think its sound or some form of echolocation
Ive talked about it before about echolocation and i think its def a viable theory
real pewter
isn't the alert systems only alert in a radius?
If you close all the door to any other area they don't alert?
craggy plank
The scout could be giving off more than just the light. There could be EM, Radio, and the noise.
surreal swift
isnt radio part of E&M anyway
craggy plank
Don't know
surreal swift
idk much about radiation anyway but i think it is
craggy plank
looks like it
twin drum
@real pewter Take a look at https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/Logs and see if any of the information you have is missing. I don't believe so but current tracking says there should be more logs yet to find to complete the email
You're probably right
vast lance
@lilac island anyway if they not tear your head off the screen should slowly turn dark before showing connection lost
proper topaz
@lilac island thats what i've been thinking, i think
We players, are sorta using the 4 prisoners as avatars to do the warden's dirty work.
The prisoners in game are not in control of their actions, the players are. I think it makes more sense in the grand scheme of things, at least with the limited info available
i still think the prisoners are clones tho... how the butts are they extracted when the missions fail?
I just assumed the team is eaten and they send in another squad of prisoner clones
twin drum
I agree with hsu, it's a prison, I doubt they're in short supply of prisoners to the extent that they need to clone. If they were clones I'd expect to find matching bodies in the environment down there
I think canonically they survive
stable urchin
Same
proper topaz
the canon 4 survive, but thats not 'us'.
i think story wise, yea the 4 in the trailer get to the bottom of things ok. But how are the mission intros explained? R2D1 is named "STATISTICS" implying that theres a high death toll of prisoners.
thats why i was thinkin every group of 4 is playing clones of the same 4 prisoners, however theres only 1 'canon' group that reaches the bottom
twin drum
right, they likely have a lot of prisoners to send down. A lot of them probably die, but not the 4 you play, which do make it down
I just don't see purpose behind cloning
lost ore
i dont think they are clones, mostly experienced scavengers
they have good communication between them, not so much as friends but as members.
proper topaz
theres too little information to make any assumptions about the 4 canon prisoners
i'm just saying that clones would explain how the players play the same 4 prisoners every run
lost ore
in my opinion the "mission failed" is something like "what if?"
fair lion
So you say it's
stone vine
@vernal vector Yeah, thats what im thinking, they are for sure protecting something.
They work exactly like a hive of bees or ants
which both protect queens
Im thinking the nest is a info transmitter from the queen to the sleepers
vernal vector
ohhh ok
twin drum
@stone vine wouldn't destroying a sleeper then trigger the queen and the whole hive?
if it's a hive mind that is, and the 'queen' is a sender/receiver
glad stone
isnt radio part of E&M anyway
@surreal swift low energy photons
that scale is VERRRRRRRRRRRRRY condensed
this will give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrtk-pyP0I
i think by the time 1.0 comes around we'll have a ton of disturbing radio chatter
we're at 0.18 now
hollow bough
@twin drum he said act like a hive similar to bees or ants, not a hivemind that uses psychic powers to link their minds together
so a hivemind like bees and ants would be working together to protect the main center, the queen for example for ants and bees
austere depot
An observation: Though Bishop, the fourth character is always the first prisoner to be depicted, he is always the last in line being sent down. Since the Warden unit is a computer, this might be important and it might not be at the same time - depending on what instructions the unit is provided.
Another observation: Since I am usually the second to join my clique, I usually end up as Dauda a lot. The characters have different responses to entering a big room within the fascility. Dauda, though he may be lying, gives the impression that he has no idea what the firm is doing. His quote usually being: "This room is huge! ... What do you think they were doing here?" - "What is it..that you think they were doing here? - this Room is huge!"
Since I am also nearly always playing Dauda (we call him twitchy) - I have less of an idea of how the other characters usually respond to going into a big room.
How does Woods (first) respond?
How does Hacket (third) respond?
I do not think I have ever heard Bishop (fourth) respond to a big room ever... Anyone who knows?
I can note that Duada, his quotes being what they are - is the one often asking the others of what the firm is doing. Either he has no idea - or he is trying to pry specifics out of the other characters.
solar nova
What do you think they did here?
proper topaz
theres very little established lore
even the 'complex being the astroid site in mexico' isn't that just rumor?
proper topaz
oh shiiiiiiiit
fervent iris
if the clue in the trailer is true
then its basically confirmed to take place in the yucatan peninsula
proper topaz
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally 
fervent iris
for when I'm entering a room, or i believe woods says it
"nuh uh lots of places for bad shit to happen"
im pretty sure its me
its me
on the wiki
proper topaz
lilac spindle
According to the trailer teaser it takes place in the yucatan peninsula, but it seems that the operation takes place after some sort of mining "accident" on that site
Hopefully more gets revealed on the last 2 missions
harsh valley
Can you guys recall any mentions/allusions/imagery/etc to "wolf" or wolves? Cause get this for what it's worth:
Ulf Andersson who works on the game has the nickname "Wolf"
Bishop has the tag 'wolf'
Ulf Andersson (a different one) is also a chess Grandmaster
Bishop is a chess piece
hollow bough
lol, connecting a lot of dots, I like it
harsh valley
10 Chambers website:
Santonian Industries logo:
Apparently Bishop "doesn't put much trust in the other three's abilities" which could be interepreted as lone "wolf" but I can't find where this description was originally posted by 10 Chambers
stone vine
@twin drum No, it wouldn't. Transmission between animals is fast, but not instantaneous. It still takes a second for information to be processed. That's why sleepers, when aggresive, don't alert their friends right away. By killing a sleeper you cut off their communication to the queen, and no one notices.
harsh valley
Unrelated:
Is it odd that the Santonian period wss 83 million years ago
but the Chicxulub meteor (that created the Complex) was 66 million years ago?
Meaning the founders of Santonian Industries were around before the Complex' crater existed?
stone vine
no thats just the name o-o
no one was that smart 66 million years ago
we used sticks and rocks
harsh valley
Okay I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but what if the founders of Santonian Industries were aliens
We already know the creatures are of alien origin, even if the bodies are formerly human
harsh valley
The Santonian part or the alien origin part?
harsh valley
I thought the alien origin apart was confirmed
stone vine
No, the idea was shut down
harsh valley
No you're still right
I thought they were humans, but turned by with something of alien origin
harsh valley
Was it confirmed the parasite/mutation was from Earth?
harsh valley
So my theory still agrees with your theory 100%
harsh valley
The parasite/infection/mutation originated from the asteroid that hit Earth. I.e. alien origin
harsh valley
I swore that was confirmed somewhere
stone vine
Idk check and see
Also
I have a nice discoveryyyy'
So according to the email from the logs there was a company called n(0xy)s
I found a bunch of pictures
harsh valley
NIce
harsh valley
Are you sure it's "n(0xy)s" though? Looks like 'nyxos' to me
harsh valley
Oxycontin
stone vine
Bruh
harsh valley
Sleepers just a bunch of drug addicts
stone vine
No, theres something in them
harsh valley
oxy-d out
stone vine
They supply some sort of material
harsh valley
Mayb it's Nyx OS, an operating system
stone vine
Bruh
harsh valley
Doesn't Nyx mean night
harsh valley
So... Nyxos is a supplier of sleep/darkness
stone vine
hmmmmmmmmmm
no some sort of gas
maybe]
but yes sleep
it may be a drug
like you said
harsh valley
A gas drug that was meant to help with sleep, that went awry and turned people into monsters?
Maybe hibernation?
stone vine
hmmm
harsh valley
Maybe it was meant to allow people to hibernate for 66 million years
harsh valley
Well, no joke I am convinced there was some kind of experiment gone awry
harsh valley
Because you note that the Warden objectives are to grab test samples
stone vine
But im not so onboard with the 66 million years
harsh valley
Haha no
harsh valley
Okay so here's my theory that Santonian has been around for longer than we might think, though not under that name, or as a public entity:
harsh valley
- Alien species royally f*cks up an experiment and it makes its way to Earth
- Alien species needs to contain it so it doesn't get worse— forms a group to monitor the situation
- New group is still interested in the results of the experiment, so they form a public entity: Santonian Industries
- Santonian Industries sends people down to collect results of the experiment. Perhaps the experiment has taken 66 million years to reach a ready state
stone vine
3 seems most likely
harsh valley
It says Shipano Group I think
Shimano. They make fishing and cycling equipment IRL.
In game maybe they supply the big crane that sends the prisoners down into the complex. It's like a big fishing line
harsh valley
Yes to cycling/fishing Shimano Group in real life, but no the in-game theory is a joke lol
stone vine
😭 HAD ME EXCITED FOR A SECOND
harsh valley
hahaha
harsh valley
But for real, it looks like it could be either Shipano or Shirano
the 'a' could be osmething else too
stone vine
CNTRL- Piping Supplier, Cornell- Reactor Connections, N(YXO)S- lol idk important though, Omneco- Batteries and Flammable Gas?, Shipano/Shirano- Hydrogen cell/ generator construction
stone vine
heres a picture
CNTRL technologies
Each is a big power box with piping
Found in B1 btw
no
o-o
harsh valley
Ah damn, was hoping it was CTRL.
stone vine
oh, why
harsh valley
In the image for the Santonian Industries logo, they set the Camera Maker to "CTRL"
stone vine
Oh woahh
harsh valley
But maybe it's just an IRL bit of info and not an in-game bit of lore. Because the camera model is "G.T." serial number "F.O." :P
stone vine
maybe
harsh valley
So it's a CTRL G.T.F.O.
stone vine
O0O
harsh valley
Not sure what CTRL is supposed to mean
stone vine
Control GTFO
harsh valley
What is Control?
harsh valley
Enjoy, that was fun to know thanks!
harsh valley
My bad if you guys already know this but I can say with certainty: The Complex we go down is not the only one under Santonian Industries
pulsar folio
makes sense
harsh valley
In fact, it's not even the main one and was thought to have nothing suspicious inside
pulsar folio
I believe that
harsh valley
Which means that the clickers were a suprise to even Santonian
pulsar folio
do you think
in-complex experiment that escaped?
Something that escaped into the complex from the outside world?
Something that entered the complex from cave underground?
Or something else?
harsh valley
This just theory now, but I think it actually came from within
pulsar folio
wdym
harsh valley
So there are at least 2 complexes:
- Garganta - main Complex with some serious secret stuff going on
- Chicxulub - our Complex that they expected to have nothing special inside
pulsar folio
Ok
harsh valley
At some point, something went wrong in Chicxulub
Chicxulub's crater (which contains the Complex) was created 66 million years ago. Perhaps something woke up inside, or evolved
pulsar folio
Do you think the complexes could have been built partly to research underground life? Mega size bioscanner finds stuff underground.
Complex 1, some mushrooms and like rats, unthreatening stuff
Complex 2 flesh monster
pulsar folio
What?
harsh valley
You say the complexes were built to do research. Agreed
But the flesh monsters are an unexpected anomaly in Complex 2. There was meant to be nothing of note in there
So they weren't deliberately researching flesh monsters
pulsar folio
Yeah
They knew there was some sort of life deep down when they scanned, so they dug there to research.
Here’s a big question
Do you think the primitive flesh hive mind is fully decentralized, or is there something guiding its development on a large scale? @harsh valley
harsh valley
Hmmm. This is where gameplay:lore gets a bit grey
You'll notice that if a player wakes sleepers up in a room, no matter how far away from you, the sleepers in your room will all wake up too
Which would suggest they're linked, but that could just be a game mechanic
pulsar folio
There’s meat growing on walls/floor/ceiling right?
harsh valley
Lol meat. Yes :P
pulsar folio
Perhaps the facility was designed in such a way to prevent potential contact between rooms
harsh valley
There's a Contamination/infection that is leaking around the facility
pulsar folio
the way the doors are
harsh valley
Oooooooh good point!!!!
Cause why would ordinary miners need such high-security doors
pulsar folio
I think it likely that santonian to some extent knew what they were getting into
harsh valley
Agreed
pulsar folio
Maybe the facility proper was built after a first test shaft?
harsh valley
Maybe
From the in-game logs, you can see that at some point (before the game takes place) they suspected nothing:
"If any official agencies do raise concerns over our methods, they will direct their attention to the Chicxulub operation first, and we will have time to adjust as necessary at Garganta before they stick their noses in."
pulsar folio
That might just mean what they are doing at Garganta is/was even worse
pulsar folio
Yeah probably not
harsh valley
The companies they talk about are normal concreting firms
And they're saying that these normal blue collar firms shouldn't be suprised by anything at Chicxulub
I don't think even Santonian would think "Nahhh they won't mind the flesh eating monsters"
pulsar folio
Maybe this is a timeline where lab-grown meat is standard
harsh valley
Not much to add to theory, but fun fact: Garganta means throat. So we can assume it's yet another big deep vertical complex
harsh valley
Lol
pulsar folio
gone wrong
harsh valley
Okay okay here's something else serious, but less confirmed
pulsar folio
So mining companies make mines for special cyberpunk metals.
Santonian buys and revamps mines, resell to megacorps.
company (think Aramark) wants to repurpose specific mine for artificial meat research/production. Other location is less ethical stuff.
Something goes very wrong.
harsh valley
What a life
pulsar folio
What were you going to say before?
harsh valley
- The company "N(yxo)s" is mentioned as working most closely with Santonian
- It's deliberately mentioned both as Nyxos and "N(yxo)s". So what is NS?
- Nitrogen Sulfide is a compound first discovered in.... comets
- We know Chicxulub (and likely the monsters) was created by an asteroid
harsh valley
Yeah maybe the NS is a dead end
"wolf" That's the only thing I can't figure out at all
harsh valley
Wolf is Bishop's tag
But I'm not sure what it means, other than maybe lone "wolf"
What are the 5/6 prisoners?
copper nymph
I haven't been in this conversation long but the first mission in the new rundown you have to collect "pMOTHER" samples
real pewter
what is this pMother
copper nymph
I dont know, whatever it is I dont like the MOTHER part of it
Maybe parasite MOTHER?
wide otter
Could be the main samples from the patient zero or "queen" of the entire infection. Maybe that's the codename for her is "mother"
wide otter
Something starts with one thing so it's a possibility "MOTHER" is either the experimentation result that escaped causing the infection or someone who had contracted the infection and ended up becoming the main source of the spreading
solar nova
The real question is why the samples are required to go further down.
Do they give us security access?
Is there information about the pMOTHER samples the Warden requires to decide where to send us next, like information about the cold storage bulkhead?
Is it used to develop some sort of resistance in the background that explains why an entire complex got overrun shortly after outbreak while we just drink Capri Sun?
Actually, couldn't be, since we don't get obliterated by the infection there is on A1.
harsh valley
I don't think pMOTHER is required to go further down, it's just the first thing the Warden wants on the way down
stable urchin
Doesn't the mission objective say we need it to progress?
harsh valley
I assumed it just meant to progress in the level. Maybe I need to look again
wide otter
The Warden technically doesnt need to disclose anything to us besides our jobs since we are prisoners regardless
harsh valley
We're not just prisoners sent to be punished though. The Warden genuinely wants the things he asks us to do
twin drum
He wants it but doesn't particularly care if we die, since there's many more prisoners to take the deads place
harsh valley
True
That just made me realise something
I thought Bishop was a higher-up at Santonian Industries because he was the author of the website. But he's probably just some web developer
uneven jacinth
Well, the warden either REALLY needs or or really doesn't need us.
That override of the recommendation to not use this set of prisoners...we're running out of options D:
harsh valley
override of the recommendation to not use this set of prisoners
Interesting. Where was that from? I haven't passed B
harsh valley
Ooh right, I need to rewatch that
dense hill
Here's some 100 percent lore. Spoiler***********
|| (B4) From: Andrew Cl...oun B035
(To:) J...o Davies A001
Date: August 01st, 20…
Subject: Breaking Ground
Mr Davies,
The external walls at Gar*(ga)*nta have been poured and I have been given an estimate of 8 weeks for curing before we can start drilling the primary shaft.
I am sure you heard about the accident we had at pump #14. The flooding was quickly contained, and all workers have signed the necessary waivers and NDAs. I want to assure you the report will indicate the accident happened at the mining operation (D1) and not at Garganta. If any official agencies do raise concerns over our methods, they will direct their attention to the chicxulub operation first, and we will have time to adjust as necessary at Garganta before they stick their noses in. I feel I should inform you that the representative from McCallister Aggregates (the concrete suppliers) had a lot of questions about the project. I gave him no information, but I think it may be worth keeping an eye on (A1) (Mc)Callister’s involvement. They’re a bit invasive. Our contract with them runs for another 2 years, but we should consider finding a more discrete supplier for the internal construction of the facility. There is nothing to worry ourselves about yet, but once full construction begins it may be hard to keep (C2) the more sensitive operations under wraps. Both N(yxo)s and Rockford have been tactful so far, and I believe both companies offer adequate molding and forming facilities that would meet our needs. Nyxos in particular has proved to be a reliable supplier and knows not to (E1's log will probably go here)
Credits:
Soy, Scout Smasher, and Marc. ||
|| Terminal Logs on new rundown ||^^
twin drum
This is on the wiki already and was posted yesterday, but I suppose it's good for those who haven't seen it yet
stuck yew
Has anyone noticed that in the original trailer one of the characters speaks as if they went into the mine to collect items for trade. Do you think this matches with the current narrative or do you guys think its an indication of a narrative shift that the prisoners are far less willing.
austere depot
@harsh valley The parasite appears to develop traits shared with life forms found in isolated Cenotes within the Yucatan region. Most notably are the feelers that the scouts share with such life forms: Feelers and no Pigment in their skin.
Given the use of disinfection stations and fog turbines, it can be derived that the company knew of the infection. If you play the level 'septic' R2B4 - the objective is to retrieve a fog turbine to breach an infection wall to reach the lower levels. Septic generates an image to the player of what kind of hell the fascility turns into without these turbines running. (IT IS HELL, I SAY)
Both disinfection stations and fog turbines against the infective fog, suggest that the company knew of its presance. Given that the players are also sent to restore power to the fascility, something may have knocked these turbines out and things may have spireled out of control from there.
harsh valley
Oooh that I did not know! Okay so infection 100% confirmed— good points raised, especially with the disinfection gear
austere depot
^ Many good peeps here have pointed it out to me. 'S a group effort!
harsh valley
Do we know whether the e-mail in the logs is sent before, or after the monster outbreak?
late oasis
Well we would have to find out when the outbreak actually went down
Or when the patient zero case (full mutation) happened
harsh valley
Because the way they say Chicxulub is just a distraction for the real Complex says a lot about the real Complex if Chicxulub was already known for monsters
You're right. I wonder what E1 will glean :O
late oasis
The trailer one might be bounty hunters
Or hired mercs
Well... maybe they were mercs at first but after they wanted to quit...
harsh valley
So one of the 4 is a bounty hunter/merc/trader
late oasis
IMPRISONMENT TIME
harsh valley
We know Bishop is just a web developer working for Santonian. My theory is that being the site developer, he started looking at some files he wasn't supposed to and as a result, got sent away to be a prisoner
harsh valley
So as an extension of Bishop plus the bounty hunter, we can say the 4 prisoners are people who came across secret stuff and Santonian wanted to get rid of them
You think one of the Warden objectives to the prisoners would have been 'make me a website' ?
twin drum
no they're saying he was an employee who developed the website
went poking into the wrong areas or otherwise did something wrong
got sent to be a prisoner
harsh valley
That's what I'm saying. But hsu is saying he was a prisoner to begin with
twin drum
ah I see
harsh valley
They could also be just prisoners
wdym
Ohhhhhhhhhh
Sorry you're right. We can't assume
So at least 2
late oasis
Let´s go it with the idea that atleast two people were "stumbled upon something they shouldnt have"
One was mental and thought of the place as his purgatory.
Which was it again?
harsh valley
That's Woods the American
late oasis
I think that guy actually worked there
harsh valley
Ooh explain
late oasis
I´d just go with a wild guess and say he is religious
He worked in the complex and was one of the few who survived
harsh valley
Yeah his bio says he's Catholic
late oasis
But instead of released they decided to throw him back down there
And lets say he saw some shit before getting out. It´s not hard to say that he thinks the place is hell (people turn on eachother in desperation and because of the infection, monsters coming out of fucking nowhere, deep beneath the earth and lack of clean air to breathe causing hallucinations)
It messed him tf up mentally
But he was still to much of a safety hazard to just put in an asylum and since he is still functioning otherwise the warden decided to drop him back down there
More usefull than just offing him
harsh valley
Interesting
late oasis
Just a wild guess of mine but i think it does fit
I mean it does fit. He might started to think that it´s the will of god for him to go down there over and over again.
In order to find redemption
Which would play perfectly into wardens hands (if he has any and isnt an AI that is)
Having one of them going willingly down there WOULD be helpful to keep the rest under control.
stuck yew
@lilac island They weren't in the trailer, they were in a transport machine.
I think the narrative changed a lot. I mean obviously it did, but I don't think they started out as being frozen like resources in HSU's.
And I think they were more willing than it seems now
late oasis
I go with headcanon and say that the guys in the first trailers were more willing participants. Probably had a big paycheck offered to them if they go down there
But in the end they were more or less the scouts for that area and got chewed up
Essentially like conscripts
Throw them at the enemy until you get results
stuck yew
Like payday
late oasis
yup
stuck yew
Also
late oasis
Then they went with prisoners since it didnt seem viable to try and hire people
stuck yew
The main characters aren't the only prisoners. So how many do they have?
late oasis
Who knows.
From last logs at mission selection i´d say there are enough to throw atleast one team as a disposable scout force ahead into each section
Maybe even more.
So it´s atleast a couple hundred prisoners they have at their disposal
With more on the way
harsh valley
I don't get it, there about 20 levels in a current rundown
If they have 500 prisoners, why not send teams of 25
And increase chances of objectives getting completed
stuck yew
Because of the transport system?
harsh valley
4 at a time, only takes 2 minutes round trip
late oasis
Depends on how the system works. Plus if you drop 25 people down there you got to equip them all.
harsh valley
Some levels you need to clear before doing the others
Then send 100 man teams
stuck yew
I agree with hsu and happy I think they're cutting costs and also carrying out loads of tasks
Also, the humans are disposable
late oasis
if they could afford to throw large groups down there then they would be able to afford equip a small group with high tech gear or atleast with more ammo and medkits right of the bat
stuck yew
And if you send down 4 different teams and one succeeds you've just saved
late oasis
So there is definitly cutting corners there
stuck yew
compared to 25
harsh valley
And if you send down 4 different teams and one succeeds you've just saved
Very true
late oasis
Let´s say we double the squad strength. That means each member would have only half the ammo capacity on them
Which would pretty quickly lead to problems aswell if everyone is low on ammo to begin with
that too.
Sure you could go in more aggressivly since you got more guys
which would make it easier to bash through a room of sleepers before they could retaliate
But what if shit goes inevitably south and the horde comes?
harsh valley
Although if they're so disposable why not send 30 guys with just hammers
stuck yew
They want you to suceed
harsh valley
It seems like ammo costs more than people
stuck yew
Human is still somewhat valuable
late oasis
you cant reuse spend ammo
harsh valley
So why not give the valuable humans more ammo
late oasis
and if a gun and ammo bring you an reusable asset back with more experience
late oasis
Many of the corridors are rather tight aswell
vestal delta
not everyone who dies in the complex becomes a sleeper
late oasis
imagine having a 25 squad marching through the smaller rooms while having to clear out sleepers
or even worse. sneak past them
harsh valley
I disagree with the logic that: they don't send more people because they want to conserve ammo but they also don't give more ammo because they want to conserve people
late oasis
Sending more people with only meele would cause losses
Means you gotta get new prisoners
every time
late oasis
AND you got more costs in terms of transfer aswell
stuck yew
Experienced prisoners make up for costs
late oasis
exactly.
stuck yew
It's like how you could send the army instead of a swat team
the army could do anything the swat team could do through sheer force
late oasis
But you´d get collateral as a side effect
Excessive collateral
which a swat team can avoid
Plus like mentioned before in tunnel fighting having large groups would be more of a hindrance
harsh valley
So the prisoners are countless but not too countless, disposable but not too dispoable
Ammo is scarce but not too scarce
harsh valley
Is it though?
stuck yew
Yes
harsh valley
So Warden has loads of ammo, just doesn't want to use it
stuck yew
Yeah
late oasis
If you expect casualties, or a likely scenario, you dont want to throw to much shit at it
again, cutting costs
harsh valley
Before it was several hundreds of prisoners, now it's a bunch of prisoners
late oasis
Even if you have like a few dozen prisoners dissappear from a prison
That would rise questions
hundreds on the regular?
yeah that shits gonna draw attention
stuck yew
Cutting costs, keeping things under wraps and efficiency are the main reasons I believe.
late oasis
yup
harsh valley
So it´s atleast a couple hundred prisoners they have at their disposal
Not sure, you said it
late oasis
yeah
If you got your hands on a couple of hundred prisoners at once, from all over the world
That isnt as suspicious as having hundreds of prisoners dissappearing on the regular
harsh valley
Right
stuck yew
There are thousands of prisoners with no living relatives and that leave very little of a trace as well as employees who got thrown in just because.
They must have a decent supply, but still a limited one
late oasis
Enough to keep it running but not enough to fully stock up the teams
Plus imagine worst case scenario: the team gets send down and is ambushed on the landing
harsh valley
I still think sending larger teams would be more successful. I mean, 4 man teams have a 6.38% success rate. Not exactly a proven setup
late oasis
thats a considerable amount of resources lost on an instant
stuck yew
Also there could be missions that do have higher squad counts we're not seeing
Maybe we are only experiencing the smaller team missions
late oasis
Check the areas and tunnels you tend to walk through
harsh valley
@lilac island oh yeahh
late oasis
I dont know how it looks at latter rundowns but in the upper ones you´re gonna have trouble to effectivly stay on the move
if you got a large squad
stuck yew
In fact, what if the more disposable prisoners with little experience get thrown at some of the bigger tasks. What if we are the specialists who have survived long enough to be deemed valuable enough to do the tougher more precise tasks.
harsh valley
According to the Warden, 2,553,907 prisoners died on the last rundown hehe
late oasis
Well player prisoners are kinda obvious....
taking that as canon is as taking the killcount in warframe canon
harsh valley
I know, not serious
stuck yew
Aren't we far in the future
harsh valley
But that's a lot of dead players :)
stuck yew
Surely there must be more humans now
late oasis
Let´s cut it down to... 2,554
still a lot but if we go with a more dystopian future approach
Then that wouldnt be all to surprising
Still ridiculous though.
stuck yew
I mean that's the biggest issue here. We have only the tiniest fragments of what the outside world is like.
Though a mega corporation getting away with such a big task and almost no one noticing sounds pretty dystopian to me.
I really just wanna know the tech level of humanity right now.
harsh valley
We have only the tiniest fragments of what the outside world is like.
I even tried watching the Hydrostasis exit sequence in slomo to see if I could glean anything about the outside world 😔
late oasis
considering that the automated sentries, bio tracker, c-foam and weaponary that could be considered military grade...
I´d say the tech level isnt to scoff at
stuck yew
But are we at space travel?
harsh valley
Oooh something I can clarify here
They're not too advanced/far in the future
Their main website still uses Bootstrap and jQuery
Which are already old school today
late oasis
Then let´s say it´s like 50 years in the future.
but thats already a stretch
if we go with bootstrap thing
harsh valley
I'm kidding, the Santonian site I guess is just an ARG thing for our sake.
stuck yew
I thought they were doing the alien thing of being far in the future but still using 80s looking blocky tech
Like with the terminals
harsh valley
Well on the right side of the terminals it actually looks quite advanced
Command line interfaces aren't necessarily archaic. They're used in modern programming today
stuck yew
August 01st, 20…
Can't be too far in the future though
harsh valley
Reasonable
late oasis
or between 2070 and 2090
harsh valley
Sure
late oasis
for more wiggle room
stuck yew
Could be 2033
harsh valley
Also true
stuck yew
Alternate timeline prehaps
There are a lot of options
I mean blade runner was set in 2019
late oasis
not impossible
though considering the guns we use are second hand so to say
it would have some considerable leaps
stuck yew
I'm so glad that in this far future the machine guns have a charge time like a toy gun.
late oasis
Which is pretty damn braindamaged ngl
the company deserves to be punched in the head
gameplay wise?
okay.
after the magazine and rof buff it does feel justified
realistically speaking?
pointless
stuck yew
eh, I still don't like it
late oasis
Unless the gun is designed with a cooling system that needs to be spoled up first
hence the delay
stuck yew
I wish there was a change to its design so it didn't look like a generic rifle with a drum mag
I feel like I'm using a disabled ak
late oasis
You mean like the AR which has a drum mag but only 30 rounds or something
Unless that bitch is using a 308 i dont see a drum mag bein a thing
But agian
gameplay mechanics
even if aestetically it doesnt make much sense
stuck yew
late oasis
the machinepistol would have to use similiar ammo to a MP7 to fit 50 rounds into that mag
Yeah...
austere depot
Rofl - so I found a soft easter egg in the Camera info.
On the metadata that you can aquire from the santonian logo (along with Bishop's name)
The Camera model is listed as: G.T
Camera serial number as: F.O
G.T.F.O
late oasis
heh
harsh valley
What do you guys think of this:
We know Chicxulub is the name of the Complex
It is the site of the asteroid that wiped out dinosaurs
We know Garganta is the name of the main Santonian Complex
Garganta de Olduvai is "A steep-sided ravine in the Great Rift Valley... one of the most important paleoanthropological sites in the world; it has proven invaluable in furthering understanding of early human evolution."
Could that be the location of Garganta?
stuck yew
What happens to rats?
late oasis
munch
stuck yew
There are rats in and insects in the facility right?
late oasis
Didnt see any
late oasis
they´d be probably mutated to shit at this point
stuck yew
ye ye
late oasis
It would make sense to use the small critters as foundation of the biomass
then with now increased efficienty it can produce the toxic mist and keep infecting the area
more infected= more biomass
I mean we dont even know how many people went lost before it got actually noticed
harsh valley
Sounds like the last season of Stranger Things
late oasis
sounds crazy but there is retarded levels of incompetence of higher ups....
I´ve seen some of that
stuck yew
Can't wait to get deeper into the hive and see what they do to their environment
And if there is some sort of system
stuck yew
The infection is also a big question. We know they knew about the infectious air. But at what point was it released into the mine. Was the air there before they started mining or during. Is it isolated to just that place on earth (if those details about the location are true) or is this phenomenon more spread over earth. The infection really is a mystery right now. I wonder if there were already creatures in the earth before we got there. And they unearthed something.
Can't wait for more logs about the events leading to the current state of the mine.
late oasis
Thats what pretty much the intriguing thing rn
What in the hell IS IT
Something alien?
harsh valley
I wonder if there were already creatures in the earth before we got there.
Could explain why they're not used to light
late oasis
ye
We might encounter "pure forms" at some point
So far we met mutated humans and those who were turned to biomass
harsh valley
Grays? :P
late oasis
Who knows. Maybe shits gonna go full on dead space on our asses
stuck yew
What are spitters
They don't match humans skin and there's no lore for them yet
I assumed them biomass
But what if they're more like a natural forming fungus like creature
harsh valley
We been fighting mushrooms this whole time
stuck yew
B3
late oasis
Actually yeah just pulled up the wiki
it says stationary
safe to assume it´s some type of growth
stuck yew
Caused by the fog? Secreted by something that can crawl on the walls? Are microbes to play? Are there worms?
hm
late oasis
maybe dormant sleeprs
harsh valley
Little sleep guy inside manning a spitter turret
harsh valley
Ooh
late oasis
what will come out of that?
stuck yew
That's my guess because of there shape
stuck yew
Big strikers
late oasis
eeehh...
thats kinda to easy
I´d guess gestation pods of the more advanced mutations
mutations we didnt see yet
stuck yew
Or a hostile entity. Too early to say, all we can do is baselessly speculate. Though they do cause infection. Maybe they're produced to try and infect more beings within the complex, though if that's the case why don't they wake up sleepers since they only spit and scream on non sleepers. Or do they spit on sleepers to help further their mutations.
We must wait for the gameplay gimmick to be given reason.
late oasis
it´s possible that they attack everything that gets to close
Or it might be possible that they work as roadblocks
If you played dead space think of wall guardians
poor motherfuckers...
stuck yew
Yeah, really depends of the goals of the hive if they have any and what the infection is. If we knew more about the grand picture of the infection we could most likely infer most details.
Whatever it is, it definitely doesn't want visitors going deeper into the mine. And they are at least somewhat hive like in nature.
If the warden is an A.I things could have gotten out of control outside of the mine to, and we are simply doing automated tasks.
Not to mention what if this is itself an experiment
What does the injection sequence mean?
late oasis
I´d guess the injection is some type of substance that increases the waking up speed from the stasis
So the prisoners are awake right of the bat without any fatigue
stuck yew
I see, I thought that because of the gasping. Didn't link the two.
So is the jumps scare just a nightmare or something.
late oasis
not out of question
If they keep going down there and then right back into stasis
shits gonna be haunting you even in your dreams
if the stasis effectivly knocks you out cold
Then it might be the recording of the last mission
stuck yew
mm
Noticed all the metal in the floor near the holes you go down is bent upwards, meaning whatever caused the massive holes in the facility must have done so from within.
late oasis
Sounds like a panic escape if i ever saw one...
oooorrr... boom?
actually na
latter would deal far to much damage to the rest of the facility
stone vine
well actually they dug through the facility
right through the middle
i assume because of some sort of panic
like you said
late oasis
wonder how the damn drill was pulling itself upwards...
stuck yew
many ways
weak fox
i want to know the lore but cant find the terminals with the lore
late oasis
I dont think there is any terminals that have such a function...
It´s all just theory crafting currently
kinda fun ngl
stuck yew
Talking about the logs I think
You can read a new log per tier
To get a list of them you need to enter logs into the terminal
They've already been pieced together on the wiki
weak fox
where?
stuck yew
weak fox
txs
stuck yew
There's also one log you can always access talking about the server room being to hot (around 39° Celsius or up)
lilac island
dude i thought that the monsters were aliends that came to arth on a racket from mars
stuck yew
No
harsh valley
I think it has to be one of two things:
- Asteroid brought infection from space and mutated humans
- Asteroid blew a hole in the earth and woke up/opened up monsters living underground
I'm not convinced that Santonian dug such deep holes and mines just to do secret science, and the monsters eventuated from that.
Personal opinion but I think the Chicxulub site was special even before the Complex was built
But yeah either way, 100% aliens did not travel to the earth on the asteroid
midnight spoke
Well the logs hint towards them knowingly digging for something
They were already setting up a secret lab and had a cure for the infection
So that says a lot
harsh valley
Great points. I guess what I mean is, they didn't just need a place to do science and find some hole willy nilly
Chicxulub and Garganta were chosen because there was something special about them
And the monsters wouldn't have eventuated if Santonian had put the lab in some other underground mine
#opinion
tall anchor
it’s some real old aperture/black Mesa level shit though
harsh valley
Can we assume that since the story has been retconned from bounty hunters to prisoners since the 2017 trailer, that the trailer dialogue isn't necessarily canon?
I.e. the guy saying something like "Ah yes, lots of stuff to trade in here"
tall anchor
No, that is a part of the progression system that hasn’t been implemented Into the game fully yet
And afak, they were prisoners then too
harsh valley
Ahh I see. Thanks.
Viklund did say we could keep non-Warden-objective gear as loot. I guess that's the trade stuff perhaps
tall anchor
yeah, I remember someone ages ago about a whole economy system
so you have to save up to buy/modify weapons, ect.
harsh valley
I hope I can just put a billion points into my hammer. That's all I want ha
tall anchor
yeah I’ll find you a confirmation
my brains rusty b/c it was said forever ago so give me a minute
those two are Simon saying that :)
and wow, almost a year ago that was said
fervent iris
And of course for bragging rights
"haha burst revolver with FMJ go brrrrr"
"I kil scout from other room with it"
harsh valley
Hey I want my level 50 weeb katana to fight all the sleepers doing the Naruto run
surreal swift
but what if the future doesnt have gas :(
surreal swift
🤔
bruh that would be funny if u could just open a leak in a propane tank and just gently set it down in a room with sleepers
and if they dont notice the smell and u just shoot once into that room
late oasis
Boi.
surreal swift
:D
late oasis
I like the way you think
surreal swift
LOL
late oasis
They are more likely to notice the tssssssssssssss than the smell
and definitly gonna notice the BOOOOM
surreal swift
loool
late oasis
Though at that point they´d be to busy burning to death
late oasis
salamanders and sororitas liked that
surreal swift
i dont even know warhammer stuff but ik enough to know they like "cleansing" things
late oasis
Salamanders are humanitarian marines who have a severe case of pyromania
late oasis
And sororitas... well nuns with guns and flamethrowers
surreal swift
o daer
late oasis
Yeah. It´s kinda funny that salamanders care a lot about the common folk while 90% of the time just torch every enemy
surreal swift
xdd
late oasis
sororitas torch indiscriminatly
"Fuck it, they´re all heretics anyway"
whoooooshhhhh
surreal swift
rip in peace
ey waitaminute
dont the forklifts have gas tanks on their backs anyway
i think i remember seeing them
late oasis
I think they do
surreal swift
idk if they actually have any fuel left tho
nahhh
warden gives us shitty flashlights
no way would warnde consider such an expensive ammo type
late oasis
If he wants to go cheap he could get some high powered crossbows...
You know real big ones.
in terms of velocity
surreal swift
thats even more expensive!!
late oasis
Eh.
late oasis
and machineguns arent expensive?
surreal swift
tru
late oasis
or sniper rilfes with short scopes
surreal swift
i dont think the scope cost much
late oasis
Okay short range scopes actually aint expensive
surreal swift
but the sniper probably did
lolol
yea the gun itself is probably more valuable than its optic
late oasis
well the sound and mag size... save to say the guns is rather large caliber
definitly above 308
And the damage wise... yeah it´s a 50 cal
aka "no brain remain"
surreal swift
i was thinking .338
doesnt seem like a .50 to me 🤔
but yea either way, no brain remain indeed
late oasis
Well i aint complaining really. shits removing the upper torso of a sleeper in one blow
Though the hybrids are a pain in the arse
late oasis
It´s big shooter looking bastards with spikes on their head. they shoot a lot of spores at once
fuckers flinch hard if you ADS
late oasis
I tend to be the sniper
surreal swift
oic
late oasis
So i gotta do the ADS... though i hipfired one of the damn things after it thoroughly pissed me off
just walked up and point blank to the chest
THEN it died
6 rounds to the head didnt do the trick
late oasis
Either hit registration was arse or the hybrids dont have a weakspot on their head
surreal swift
i know that the black armored dudes from r1c2 didnt have head hitboxes
so u legit just had to "bodyshot" them to death
surreal swift
oof
late oasis
Though probably i´d just spam shotty on them
surreal swift
yea thats the idea
late oasis
If i´m not the sniper that is
surreal swift
pump shotgun can oneshot them if they get close enough
late oasis
isnt the back kinda the weak spot?
surreal swift
fancy
late oasis
Yeah i ran into them right at B1. the second rundown
We open one of the bloodied doors and there are two of them with a bunch of sleepers
Fuckers take a lot of damage. i popped big strikers and shooters no problem
vernal vector
what are we talkin about?
late oasis
Hybrids
I´m not sure but last time i shot them in the face with a sniper it didnt seem to do anything
Like it´s not a head but just essentially a gun on their shoulders.
Oh... the wiki says their weakspot is the back...
No wonder the bitch didnt drop after 6 rounds to the fucking face
i´d dare to say it´s an evolved big shooter
while chargers are evolver strikers
late oasis
Hybrids are acting like shooters most of the time but are capable to meele if necessary
Chargers are acting like big strikers
full on meele
and durability
Though the shadows....
vestal delta
i think a charger would have been involved too
hmm weird thing to think about honestly
surreal swift
@lilac island @vestal delta stop right there heretics
vestal delta
hm?
vestal delta
i never said anything lewd
surreal swift
:(
solar nova
I think hybrids, being exclusively aggressive, are more developed shooters, like big shooters, but a more aggrevated variety.
So, when a body is transformed, it either becomes a passive or aggressive sleeper, and then it either undergoes little development (striker or shooter) or a lot of development (titan striker, titan shooter, hybrid, or charger).
Given chargers can be passive, but are highly developed offensive varieties, it might be possible to find sleeping hybrids in areas where sleepers invest in chargers.
Since it's "worth it" to have dormant sleepers which are high-investment and very capable in combat, probably as defensive units based on what was around the chargers we saw.
solar nova
They might be unrelated, though, considering we see hybrids behind motion doors or attracted by alarms all over the complex while chargers are extremely rare.
It seems like hybrids are actively hunting for prey everywhere, while chargers only hunt in areas they're already established in (and presumably defending).
||Although shadow behavior is also very mysterious, considering they appear to exclusively hunt but are only ever searching in small sections of the complex.||
It's also interesting that big shooters and scouts are exclusively "defensive." With scouts, it's obvious why they'd not be hunting. Their primary purpose is to patrol among dormant sleepers in search of a threat worth waking up to deal with, also calling hunting sleepers to help overwhelm that threat. They don't have any health or damage worth investing into purely for combat. Big shooters are less clear. They might just be a low-investment but more threatening variety of the shooter to help support smaller sleepers or big strikers. They're certainly less powerful than hybrids, but still quite strong if they have allies.
opaque glade
Spoiler alert:|| How do you feel about the R2D2 and R2E1 levels: on R2A1 we take pMother trial samples. Next, Warden sends us to find out where she is. To do this, we are sabotaging on R2B1 to get to R2B2 for powering 4 generators in order to redirect them to the R2C section. Next, to reboot the security system on R2C2, you need to make an uplink to R2B3 (by timeline, as soon as we make the last uplink to R2B3, endless alarm starts on R2C2), after which we need to pass the barrier with a high risk of infecsia on R2B4 using disinfection equipment . On R2C1, we do the triangulation \ geolocation of Cold Storage (cold storage?), Which is located on R2E1. On R2C2, we collect 7 Personal IDs (passports of personnel who have access to this sector), and safely descend to R2D1, where we are stopped by poisonous gas / fog. To do this, we restart the air filtration system. Further the situation is unknown, but based on what happened above, I can say the following: if we do triangulation of a cold storage on R2C1, then on R2E1 we are not waiting for fog, a level that was flooded with liquid nitrogen or refrigerant. Liquid nitrogen / refrigerant in turn held back what is at R2E1. Why exactly liquid nitrogen / refrigerant? Most likely, what is on R2E1 is not subject to destruction (or is subject, but the Santonian do not know how to destroy it, so they found a way to contain it). Consequently, in liquid nitrogen / refrigerant, prisoners cannot survive. To do this, you will probably need to supply power to R2D2 to turn on the heating to R2E1, or you will have to turn off the liquid nitrogen / refrigerant supply system and find a portable perimeter heating device (like FOG TURBINE on R2B4), because despite the shutdown of the cooling system, still very low temperatures for survival. In this case, after turning off the nitrogen supply system, new monsters that restrained in it will awaken ||
vestal delta
dude you dont need to use spoiler tags in this channel
hollow bough
yeah, you don't have to, but if you want to use the spoiler feature, you can
solar nova
I think there's probably some stash of pMother samples in the cold storage bulkhead, which will either be in E1 or D2.
if it's in D2, then there's something we need the samples for in order to do something in E1. If it's in E1, then D2 will be some sort of preparation to unlock the cold storage bulkhead.
harsh valley
Should we assume locker/toolbox contents are not canon to the lore whatsoever?
I mean, what are the odds that the miners put bullets in a toolbox.
That you never see a roll of duct tape, or tools in a toolbox.
That many, many glowsticks are deemed necessary to be padlocked
Whyyy would you put an emergency medical kit in a locker that requires you to hack the lock to get to??
"José I am bleeding to death. Please bring the medical kit."
"Be patient Alejandro, it is time to play the coloured light matching game."
solar nova
If they have access they probably just swipe a card and it opens.
We don't, so we've got to hack it.
harsh valley
True, but you still wouldn't put an emergency kit behind swipe access
solar nova
Probably evidence of questionable ethics.
fervent iris
just 👏 cause 👏 we 👏 triangulate 👏 the 👏 cold 👏 storage 👏 unit 👏 doesn't 👏 necessarily 👏 mean 👏 its 👏 in 👏 R2D2 👏 or 👏 R2E1
real pewter
it's in F
harsh valley
I want us to go to Garganta so bad, in like Rundown 7 or something down the line
A chance for 10 Chambers to try an entirely new visual environment and gameplay mechanics
And a chance for us to find loads of juicy new lore
Maybe more effort than it's worth for 10CC but 1 or 2 years from now hopefully they'll need to spend less time getting core functionality built
solemn lark
Are theories allowed in the lore channel? Just been having a thing running around in my head about the Sleepers for a bit
vestal delta
theories are pretty much most of the lore chanel so go ahead
solemn lark
When I was scrolling around in here, I briefly saw a proposeal that the sleepers were a type of bacterial species or a fungal species. Upon further investigation of the actual models (as well as some of the behaviours), I want to propose a theory about a) what the Sleepers are b) how/why they spawn and act as they do
So. While the bacterial proposal sounds interesting and could have some solid evidence behind it, I find it unlikely that any species or genus of bacteria could create intricate beings with such a large size range, as it would imply that it'd need to be a multicellular organism. However, a fungi, like a cordyceps ( a type of fungi which infects and takes over ants) could be a cause, as cordyceps infect hosts and essentially turn said host into a zombie.
If a species in the cordyceps genus could mutate to live and grow underground, The Complex would a A+ place for it to grow
Furthermore, fungi have a tendency to create "networks" or mycelia within their environment, allowing for the absorbing of nutrients. If, hypothetically, the cordyceps could mutate in a way to grow underground, they could possibly change these mycelia to help create communication networks
The sleepers also have a tendency to, both when scanning and alerted, to "communicate" or trigger each other. From what I've notices from both accidental hordes and alarm door hordes, the sleepers will only spawn from rooms outside from your position. A network for communication made of mycelia could both connect and alert sleepers near the position of players and new enemies to warn of danger in the level
To me, these actions almost sound like a hive, where the sleepers communicate and alert others to others around them based on the state of the environment, calling for reinforcements when all hell breaks loose during alarms and accidental waves.
Based on what is known about the sleepers (aka, they hate light, can be condensed or spread out, eat flesh, are pains in the ass when triggered, etc.), I would also like to suggest that, after prisoners are all downed, they drag them down to a central hub or a hive, where more Sleepers of various types can spawn and feed. Since the fungi is, theoretically, mutated to reproduce and thrive in underground conditions, the placement of live hosts in the central hub would allow for most reproduction>more mycelia> a more protected "hive"
Just based on the last statistics from The Warden, the sleepers would have AT LEAST 2,553,788 new hosts for infection/ transformations. Granted, this process may take a while, but if at least 5,000 sleepers are created PER DAY, that would explain why it seems that there's at least 200 sleepers per level (if you survive, that is)
harsh valley
Probably onto something. Simon Viklund confirmed they have infections/parasitic potatoes in their bodies
solemn lark
Wait, is it those yellowish things when you pop them just right?
hollow bough
yeah, it is especially noticeable when looking at a big shooter's corpse after you smashed it's torso
tons of eggs fill their body
solemn lark
Hmm. Possible mutant ants? XD
hollow bough
I mean, parasites can be fungus related too I believe
so your theory could fit as well
solemn lark
Well, the problem is the fungi spread via the release of spores for asexual reproduction (most likely here) or by sexual reproducion
hollow bough
have you been to B2 yet?
solemn lark
Ye
hollow bough
the cysts you see there spread the infection kinda like that
solemn lark
B4 would apply then too here?
solemn lark
Theoretically, yeah spores could be spread that way, and the fog could be super condensed spores
But for it to cause eggs is a bit off
It could be a type of reproduction if live hosts are available? The hive could raise the young, cause I have a feeling the parent would die off
hollow bough
mhm, the infection seems to only harm the target, maybe once they're killed, then the fungus can grow eggs from it, hatch parasites and take over the body?
solemn lark
Possibly?
There's a wide array of functions they could be
It'll be a topic to revisit (if it doesn't get lost XD)
hollow bough
yeah, def will get lost lol, but the discussion of how the infection/parasite works will definitely be brought up again
solemn lark
TBH I like the idea of fungi/hive mind for the sleepers. explains a lot about their behaviour
solar nova
@fervent iris Not necessarily, but it's the most probable payoff to the rundown.
Like, it's possible we don't hear of it at all coming up, but it would be very surprising if the cold storage bulkhead is in R3 or something.
Especially since we spend a whole two missions doing things related to finding it.
harsh valley
Btw though Warden statistics aren't 2.5M different prisoners, it's the same 4 over and over IRL. I jokingly used that as lore before as well :P
As for sleepers dragging our bodies back to the hive, you seen many bodies just left in the middle of nowhere
solemn lark
I’ve do know the same four prisoners go in, but I like to think that everybody who plays is a different prisoner, and those who are here are in a prison waiting to go in. The stats, while they may not exactly line up with lore, give an idea of how many people died if we assumed they were all individuals
Some bodies might not go to the hive. They may just be eaten right then and there depending on what the needs are for the hive to thrive. It may just be more beneficial to eat the people right there instead of using them for reproduction or feeding the young. After all, bodies do take up space
It could also just be decomposed Sleepers in the middle of the floor.
The idea of dragging bodies away is more so to give an idea of a) where bodies sometimes go b) give a possible explanation to how the fungi might reproduce.
lilac island
Anyone got a quick summary?
harsh valley
@lilac island Asteroid hits earth 66 million years ago. Santonian Industries builds a Complex in the crater. Four prisoners, including the Santonian Industries web developer, go down to collect samples and complete objectives for an entity known as the Warden. The prisoners encounter monsters full of potatoes.
late oasis
ngl their lower body section looks like they have constipation to the point where it seeps through the skin
subtle flower
is there an official name for the infection cocoon things.
solemn lark
Spitter is the name but I call them pus pods
late oasis
nastybulbs
midnight spoke
How about nurgle pods
midnight spoke
But nurgle fits in so well
solemn lark
What even in a nurgle?
midnight spoke
Nurgle is a god in Warhammer 40k, he's the god of disease, decay, death and destruction
solemn lark
Ah, so something I don't know lol
late oasis
I´d shelf the fuckers into tzeentch territory because of how twisted they look like but.. nurgle is a good fit aswell...
sick oak
they're all bloated like an old corpse
maybe the meaty bits aren't actually alive
and the shadows are sleepers that were allowed to rot entire
also fuck the pustles
there's totally going to be motile ones at some point, aren't there....
harsh valley
Hey you know how everyone's been enjoying the spitters?
What if...
Big spitters
Still no way to kill, but takes off 15% health and +infection, and has a radius of half the map
I think the message would have been well and truly sent by then: "Screw your fun :O"
lilac island
Still wonder why the web dev is one of the prisoners
harsh valley
You're also meant to feel sorry him— his first name is literally "F"
👇 Press to
👆 pay respects
lilac island
Well seems still pretty odd
harsh valley
I think him stumbling on stuff he shouldn't have seen makes more sense than him secretly having spelunking / mercernary skills
lilac island
Nah i mean that he gets send down there
harsh valley
As in, it's not odd that he gets 'gotten rid of', but odd that he gets sent down the Complex as punishment?
midnight spoke
It could be he was involved heavily
All we know is he developed the website
Nothing else about him
So he might be more than the site developer
harsh valley
Hmm. He is also tagged with "wolf" so you could be right
Wolf is also the nickname for the lead developer, maybe it's just a joke
subtle flower
What are the invis guys called. Shadows?
midnight spoke
That's all I've heard them called
harsh valley
So now we have Shadow clones doing the Naruto run. Maybe the complex is where ninjas originated
harsh valley
We know the Chixculub Complex is deeeeep. So what if it went to the other side of the world?
The antipode of Mexico is Mauritius, which is closer to Japan than Mexico
dim schooner
I don't think the complex can go that far down without reaching the earth's core.
Also, in terms of the layout, I think it would be safer to assume it only gets deeper, but there might be other complexes throughout the world.
solar nova
I think a part of the suggestion with all the rundown holes is that the complex goes very deep but also spreads out extremely far as a sprawling network of underground tunnels.
harsh valley
Wouldn't have any significance lore wise, but Easter egg wise, what do you think the odds are that the first names of the prisoners spell out GTFO?:
G.
T.
F. Bishop
O.
Woods
Dauda
Hackett
hollow bough
that would be interesting, but I would believe it more if the order the player's joined the game was the order the character's were in to form GTFO
and Bishop is the last player to join, so that would be F at the end
missed opportunity if they do spell out GTFO with their names
hollow bough
maybe
midnight spoke
Now low key hoping his name is Fuck Bishop
harsh valley
I like Bishop :(
But that would be wonderfully silly
Get woods the dauda f*** bishop out hackett
F*** hackett get dauda the woods bishop out
"F***, Hackett... get out of the woods. Bishop out." It's a radio comms :O
dim schooner
My favorite voice clip is, I think, of Bishop saying "You need your mummy?" when someone takes damage.
hot burrow
If he says it to woods or Hackett they get pissed off
Also I think bishop 1st name is Frederick
solemn lark
I have made a couple new observations today in playing the game (B4 and in general)
hot burrow
Like what
solemn lark
So, when spitters go off, if you look at them for a longer period it appears to be spores that come out
hot burrow
Ok
solemn lark
Also, the shooters and smackers have different features which may possibly indicate sexes for the sleepers
tall anchor
yea
plucky rain
Has a virus broken out and am I being sent into the complexes in which it was made to obtain samples?
tall anchor
honestly no idea
you're just going into the complex because the warden told you to
and you're forced to go
tall anchor
who knows
plucky rain
What’s the sign
tall anchor
which sign