These people could be test subjects, to monitor the progression of the parasite, or holding cells for the wardens prison
#gtfo-lore
eager spear
What's interesting to me is how the trailer refered to the operators as "prisoners" to the warden
Could be a company that deals with biological threats seeing that they are very clearly evolved
And advanced
One thing that disproves the mining theory is that almost every forklift you see in the complex has a UBS next to or on top of it's mechanical lifting mechanism
UBS in this case being a warning! sign on a presumably heavy plate of metal with a triangular cutout for, persay a viewport
stable urchin
We are getting part of the facility called, Dig-site tho, and the leaks from Ludvig look very much like a dig-site
eager spear
Yea
My theory is it's a research facility built on top of the outbreak site
And dig site could be more evidence to the backstory, and if-not, ground zero
stable urchin
I believe the place started has a mining facility, they found weird shit, made it into a mining/research facility
eager spear
Yea same
But that still raises the question as why the operators are refered to as prisoners
Maybe they are HSU subjects already exposed and aren't allowed to leave the site
lilac island
Or maybe line scp foundation
Like
He take prisoner
Put it in cryo
Gived to wanderer
Then he use cryo
eager spear
HSUs are only used to keep subjects in a vegitative or hybernative state as far as we know
And why would he feed humans to the virus
The parasite working for the warden seems a bit counterintuitive
eternal talon
As far as I see it, they are trying to retrieve data and people from the site to try and find out what the hell happened down there
Otherwise, why else does the warden need all that stuff. Maybe they werent initially involved, but they've recently been brought in for damage control
stone vine
Well
It’s a highly productive research lab that contains a lot of special equipment
It could be a retrieving mission too
eager spear
Like A1
stone vine
Because we see we need to gain cards to each spot
eternal talon
Unless the warden is a sort of "Red queen" in which case, its probably testing the virus to try and find a way to get rid of it while at the same time, securing important data/subjects
grizzled ice
hey can HSU stand for Hydro Stasis Unit?
stone vine
It does
eternal talon
Yes.
eager spear
That's what it is
grizzled ice
ohhh
stone vine
Yeah it’s what we drop in
eager spear
Yea
stone vine
We can assume there are tons of em
eternal talon
There are a fuck ton of them
eager spear
A whole prison of them
stone vine
Actually
eager spear
Full of exposed humans
stone vine
Do you guys notice
eternal talon
Given that nearly all are infected or at least exposed to the parasite, they are probably test subjects
stone vine
That some are missing from down in the complex
eager spear
To monitor the parasites progressions
stone vine
Could we have been stored for testing and then just retrieved afterwards
eager spear
To counteract it's affectd
eternal talon
Do you guys know what the red queen is?
stone vine
Yeah isn’t it the red death
Like
What was involved with it?
Or am I thinking of something else
stone vine
Oh ok
eternal talon
The red queen was an AI in resident evil tasked with maintaining and securing THE HIVE
mossy sentinel
If they're test subjects, why they're in random places around the map? why not in a single place? It's more like it was a storage before the infection..
eager spear
No doubt it was a mining site pre-outbreak
eager spear
It's because different sectors in the facility can have different outbreak affects
stone vine
@mossy sentinel what I’m saying is that these were test subject beforehand, and when the outbreak happened they just went and fetched em
eager spear
Eh
stone vine
Like what if A1 is a retrieval mission for more humans
eager spear
They were normal people beforehand
eager spear
Those humans were already test subjects
eternal talon
Or.. the warden is getting replacements in case one of your team.. dies..
eager spear
If they were in a HSU they are a test subject
eager spear
That sounds accurate
mossy sentinel
Maybe they're actually the miners of the beginning that got just half infected? so we're retrieving to know how it started..
stone vine
I don’t think it’s a mining site
eager spear
I think we know how it started
stone vine
I think it was either a collaboration of a research facility and a mining site
Or an undercover research facility
eternal talon
We also know that whatever this parasite is was either A) from the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, or B) biologically engineered
eager spear
Mining-turned research site
eager spear
It's space aids.
eternal talon
It was on earth longer than humans. It's not from space.
stone vine
Yeah a tick
eager spear
I wasn't literal
stone vine
Ticks have survived that long
mossy sentinel
So, we know how it started, but not how the infection really works. We're like searching for patient 0
stone vine
Well
eager spear
We don't know patient 0
eternal talon
We kinda know how it wirks
eager spear
That doesn't matter when an entire complex is infested
stone vine
Yeah it eats it’s hosts from the inside out
stone vine
Well we can assume that
eternal talon
It infects a patient by likely blood->blood, and mutates the host for defensive purposes
stone vine
Look at the shooter
See how you can see it’s face
Shows us it sprouted our from pores
eternal talon
The shooter is likely mutated teeth sets, repeatedly growing and shot out as sort of bone-bullets
stone vine
Nah not really
eternal talon
And the normal sleeper's face was split do the parasite could facilitate a massively enflamed and enlarged tounge whip
stone vine
Well yeah
But no
Yes I agree with that
But shooters don’t have bone abnormality
It’s only strikers
Shooters look perfectly normal
eager spear
The only thing normal about the parasite is the bones
eternal talon
I'm talking about the one that has a giant head that shoots bone shards at you
stone vine
What
eager spear
Often they stand on just bones alone
eager spear
No
eternal talon
"Well, if I were an extremely powerful parasite, assuming it is one to begin with, a quick way to deal with opposition is to turn them over. It also allows for it to reproduce, in a sense.
As for the shapes and sizes.. it could be reminiscent of.. can I say a game title in here? Not sure. Anywho, an older sequel to a game which involves many types of zombies; fat ones, hulking ones, ones with long tongues, acidic spit.. y'know what I'm talking about, hopefully.
Fat persons had a high chance to become moreso in the infection. Perhaps security guards became what we know of chargers, miners and other workmen became sleepers. The big variants may have been heavy-lifting type of personnel who were already 'jacked'. Who knows?
It's very hard to say, and of course, the devs have a better idea. That said; I believe the devs are listening to us to help create more story and lore elements"
eager spear
When you shoot the big sleepers
stone vine
The one with the face split is a striker and it has a tongue
The other is a shooter which shoots beams of light
eternal talon
YT-Driver had a good analysis a while ago
stone vine
No
eager spear
And often then not theyre standing in just bones
stone vine
They can’t
eager spear
You can?
stone vine
Here
eternal talon
Parts of their bodies are being repurposed for combat purposes. They can still be alive as nothing but a set of legs. They are definitely a parasite and NOT a virus
stone vine
Yes the devs said that
eager spear
What I'm saying is
eager spear
The bones are the only part of the subjects body that aren't altered signifigantly
Calm down
eternal talon
Aside from the sleepers that fire shards at you, I would agree.
eternal talon
Their flesh is weak because of a hollow interior and lack of proteins, being reallocated to muscles and bone tissue
stone vine
Yeah
eager spear
^
stone vine
This is a bone eating thing
stone vine
Like it wears away the bone marrow
eager spear
No?
eternal talon
Their veins are massively inflamed and their chests pulse. They are likely hollow
eager spear
But they aren't
eternal talon
Where do you think all that muscle mass for the tounge whip came from? The parasite has to re-allocate the body's resources
jolly plinth
well, the head goes off...
eternal talon
Something inside their chest is massively changed. They glow like jellyfish
And the scout is like a freaking flood-light
eternal talon
So their chest must be atleast partly hollow otherwise that light wouldnt be visible under the skin
eager spear
Or just have fragile and thin skin
The pulsing of the sleepers definitely points to some things being inconsistent
It is definitely an abnormal sound
eternal talon
Their skin is more liquified than a normal human.
eager spear
Yea
More pale
And
Pasty
Also the four platforms that show before you are sent down
What are those for?
jolly plinth
what I do wonder is how are giants made
eager spear
And tlwhy are they there
eternal talon
Different levels of the facility
eager spear
They are presumed to be muscular humans
eternal talon
In the rundown
jolly plinth
muscular humans but like two times as tall as normal ones?
eager spear
We talked about the parasite having matter,-manipulating properties
eternal talon
Perhaps an abundance of testosterone in their system changed their physical makeup
eager spear
A symptom of the parasite
Interesting
And this could be purely genetic
Like eye color
That explains why some are big and some aren't
jolly plinth
that is more what I am thinking, might be the parasite has effect with either hormones or genetics, maybe both
eternal talon
The changes it makes to its hosts are incredably varied, so genetics probably play a role on the result
eager spear
That's my guess
jolly plinth
that would explain why a majority of the infected we see are plain, as they share the common genetics and hormones, while things like scouts and giants have some odditys to them
eager spear
But
That raises the question
The mysterious red scouts you only see when a tentacle sleeper agro's or when an alarm door sequence is under way
The red scouts don't ever spawn naturally
eternal talon
Albino?
eager spear
No
Crimson-red
Like dried-blood red
I call them shadow sleepers
Idk if the community has a name for them
eager spear
Oh
That would make sense
But it still wouldn't explain their specifically rare appearance
eternal talon
Their skin lacks pigment and their eyes are naturally pure red
Albinos are rare in nature
So infected albinos would be rare.
eager spear
But they are an abundance when they can spawn
5-15 at a time from what I've witnessed
Or
The game is just racist
But seriously I hope they have a link
eternal talon
The shooters stay together in b2,
eager spear
Yea
eternal talon
And in b1 it's mostly giants
eager spear
Same with C2
eternal talon
So that could explain their group mentality
jolly plinth
C1 is normal and giants iirc
no scouts
could also be a sorta group mentality that stems from before the infestation
like they were assigned to posts, and stay around their posts
eager spear
Yea
Oh I know
Maybe shadow sleepers are from the deepest parts of the complex
That explains their dark color
As an implication
eternal talon
Maybe a stealth mutation
eager spear
And they crawl up through the massive hole when an alarm or tentacle is set off
jolly plinth
or they could also be freshly mutated, hence why they need a guidance of an alarm or a scoute
eternal talon
Or the shadows could be an early version of the parasite before it fully evolved to handle human transmission
eager spear
Possible
Shadow sleepers are much more aggressive than regular sleepers
And they don't Range you like normal scouts
They sort-of mele you
Cqb
So maybe a later version of sleepers
A more advanced version
Who knows
But at least I'm happy I discovered a new term for the game
At least I think
eternal talon
What term
jolly plinth
iirc I heard the term spawned sleepers as a reference to them
as they are a spawn following an event
jolly plinth
I would prefer rabid sleepers
eager spear
As soon as this game comes out with sleepers that can walk on walls and ceilings is when I start to fear god
C2s description had me really scared
But in reality was anticlimactic
jolly plinth
I still need to get a clear on the Cs, took a too long break after clearing the Bs
C1 though is fun
eager spear
C1 is fun
It gives you a good look at the shadow sleepers
They are like weird naurto runners lol
jolly plinth
I did mentioned to someone this game is like a reverse invasion on to area51
there are naruto runners, jocks, karens
lilac island
And uh, I think the wanderer put in Hydrostasis people who already did a mission down there
Because when you start the game just about to woke up, you remember the hell down there
XD
eager spear
You don't though
You appear to have no recollection of memories
And only know the objective by the cortex interface
In my opinion what the warden uses to manually wake, assign, and exacute missions
lilac island
So why you ear scream before you woke up ?
eager spear
Your first seconds of being alive again aren't the best
lilac island
The whole animation to inject cortex
eager spear
That could be a debrief
lilac island
When you inject you hear scream
lilac island
It's weird if we don't keep memories
eager spear
But that, again could still be bringing
I mean
You don't remember much when your body becomes a rasin
lilac island
Yeah, but those tiny terrifying flashback, I mean, the wanderer see it when he try to run the cortex interface
With error things
eager spear
Their was errors?
lilac island
The Warden *
Well, red things is "bad" I think
And I have a question
I think
When you go to the deeper level, on a door you see the representation of the Warden, the logo.
Am I right?
I never go to the deeper level, but spoiled in a YouTube video
The Warden's symbol is displayed on Security Doors, alluding to the fact that the Warden is deeply associated with the Complex's security protocols. However, the requirement that Prisoners stand in particular Security Bio-Scan Zones to advance deeper into the compound indicates that in some capacity the Warden is restricted in its ability to control parts of the facility.
Oh
I'm right about crater of asteroid
onyx socket
yeah someone pointed out to me that the real issue is at the entrance where we drop down is that ti's exploded upwards aka something big tried to leave
eternal talon
Wonder what mutations of the parasite are down there that we just haven't seen yet
dry owl
I doubt the mutation uses old memes, but one might never know. Ninja might hate those enemies.^^
stone vine
Oh
There were earlier leaked images to some weird nest down at the bottom of the hole
Explains where some of the sleepers come from
Also no
It was exploded as easier access the the levels
It was a bunker bomb they released and built the HSU drop inside
It fits too perfectly for it to have been one of the creatures
onyx socket
could be a reactor explosion
wonder why there's so many hsus down there though
just...there.
dry owl
Maybe to spare on living quarters. We are prisoners. Maybe other people are just "lowborn" workers. Human rights might not be on the highest list of that company. Maybe cheaper.
onyx socket
the units look like they'd need to be hooked up to power or sometihng of some sort, just can't stick people in a bags like tide pods and hope they don't die lol
dry owl
Well, if it is a dystopian future... we see something like that in many settings (movies, games, books). Maybe human ressources were not that important to keep in good shape.
pine mango
if what was caused by a virus maybe they couldnt evacuate and to contain it they just put ppl in the hsu until a cure is found
dry owl
Well, the question is, for what were they needed before.
onyx socket
Prisoners are always used for cheap slavery/prison labour so
I would imagine they'd send them down into the pits over military/volunteers
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vestal delta
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vestal delta
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acoustic quest
wow even here
vestal delta
im everywhere
acoustic quest
no
vestal delta
except when the mods delete the messages
stone vine
The HSUs I suspect are test subjects
Some are missing
We can assume that these belong to us
Or other people
acoustic quest
u can see the user info of every hsu in the pc
acoustic quest
none of the hsu its a character as long as i know
acoustic quest
was a theory that the hsu are just the whole body to clone / to get some kind of medication
even the prisoners came from a hsu
stone vine
Yeah
Clones are very possible
And yes the prisoners are the test subjects, at least that’s my theory
acoustic quest
still kinda strange to know a subcomplex , the dig
stone vine
What could they be digging for tho
acoustic quest
maybe more space
stone vine
Or it could be to access the nests
There was a leaked image a long time ago
Of the nest at the bottom of the hole
acoustic quest
u can see the nest in a mission """or something """
acoustic quest
y
stone vine
What
acoustic quest
ye
dry owl
<@&408548765599793173> DWMK posted an ad I believe
fair rapids
Continue your lore disscussions. :)
eternal talon
They were digging in an asteroid crater
cinder forge
Prisoner #1: Man... This is ***** up hard!
Prisoner #2: That's what your girlfriend said last night. (giggle)
Prisoner#1: Don't you fck talk about my f**ng girlfriend!
Prisoner#2: Sorry. I forgot that your girlfriend and YOUR mom are the same person.
Prisoners# 3,4,5: ( giggle and laughing )
Prisoner#1: drops the pickaxe, hands open and screams I'll TAKE YOUR TONGUE OUT AND SHOVEL IN YOUR THROAT!!!!. * Charging to prisoner#2 *
eternal talon
The wardens prisoners seem to be not your average criminals. They seem to know what they are doing.
They also dont seem very keen on trying to escape
In the sense they are are skilled in CQB tactics and using advanced military hardware
Not to mention hacking.
stable urchin
That might come from the Cortex injection, or whatever it is
eternal talon
What, another individual or an AI controlling them like a biological drone? That does not explain the idle dialogue between the team members
eternal talon
The cerebral cortex is based on contiousness and memory. Perhaps it is injecting information and data on the rundown directly rather than going into a briefing
late oasis
The cortex is for live feed and communication. It probably works as a HUD aswell
And with a hud you can just show the information needed to the operator and let him go on his merry way
stable urchin
Ye
late oasis
Like every video game ever
eternal talon
Maybe it is there to explain the players experience and knowledge of rundowns the characters would have never gone through
late oasis
It records the users experiences.
Easier for briefing
Considering the sanity of the prisoners... having them tell about their experiences down there... would be difficult
solar nova
I verified earlier than HSUs can have normal status.
There is in-fact no preferences for malfunctioning or deactivated HSUs.
scenic wagon
What video?
vestal delta
it was the discord call noise
scenic wagon
Mods should really delete the message that alerted them to it
Cuz without the vid it has no context
vestal delta
well now these messages dont make sense
dry owl
Oh no, a vicious cycle.
onyx socket
yeah the hsus if you search them up on the terminals have randomized statuses
you can find several in a level that have "normal" or whatever
and every HSU has a person in them soooo
hollow bough
People saying the warden could be an AI, I just realized in #welcome it refers to the warden as them, so I think it is a group of people
vestal delta
it could also just be refering to them as gender neutral
solar nova
Singular they is grammatically correct.
hollow bough
I think if it was an AI, they would refer to it as it
not them
but I guess an AI could be called them, but idk, don't think they would do that
solar nova
I think it's specifically because we don't know anything about the Warden.
"it" would basically be free information.
hollow bough
yeah, that could be it
solar nova
Besides, AI best fits their interfacing with technology, us, and how they rapidly enter commands.
Or they're Hackerman from Kung Fury.
onyx socket
enter what commands?
solar nova
@onyx socket Intro and D1 reactor_verify sequence.
onyx socket
ahh
could be a computer program being run
plus the rundown right now (all the descriptions) are leading to D1 requiring dna from an "officer", pdecs and ids to access
I'd imagine a computer would be able to hack that sort of thing a lot easier than sending prisoners
solar nova
It already has very low security access, it likely can't hack remotely.
onyx socket
dunno, there's very few places that are cut off from the internet. Hell, even the USA committed cyberterrorism by remotely speeding up a reactor of a nuclear plant once every so often to burn out it's parts
though it might be interesting if hte warden was a program stuck in a loop long after it's creators were turned/killed
and it just keeps sending in prisoners and trying to execute it's objectives autonomously
solar nova
We are underground, though.
I expect any internet will be ethernet.
Given the Warden's already low security access, I definitely expect remote access isn't an option.
Or is short range.
The ping range is likely the actual internet range.
Something else to consider, any argument that an AI would be able to access things remotely also applies to people being able to access things remotely.
We shouldn't expect an AI to have any better hacking capacity than a human on the surface.
onyx socket
I dunno, a computer is waaay faster than a person
solar nova
Sure, but speed isn't what matters. If you can do it remotely, you will presumably be able to figure out how to do it remotely by doing some computer engineering.
We should see it as a "can" or "cannot"
hollow bough
and people can type pretty fast, Catpunter
so you can't assume that it is only able to be an AI because the strings of code are being put in fast
primal breach
It could always be a team of people inputting instructions to be relayed by an AI, to keep themselves relatively anonymous and "blameless" about anything that happens down there.
hollow bough
That could be it, yeah, didn't think about that
grave finch
@hollow bough could literally be copy pasting scripts for D1, if it's a human
hollow bough
Mhm, and for D1 putting in then code, I think that is just the terminal reacting to the code, and it ends up shutting down but triggers the alarm
grave finch
Warden being an Autist AI who doesnt understand why the code didn't work, and spams it until alarms go off and it gets blocked is my new headcanon.
hollow bough
Lmao
night prawn
What if the prisoners are all just tripping their balls off on pcp or something
And they're really just killing other sleeping prisoners
And the shooters are prison guards firing at them lol
Would be funny if in one expedition you go into an HSU, fall asleep, wake up again in a normal jail cell
wraith matrix
What if actually you are the sleeper, AND WROTE THIS
onyx socket
And then Woods was a Sleeper.
hot burrow
Shit ludvig is in the game
onyx socket
ludvig confirmed for warden!?
hot burrow
Ya
atomic tree
@wraith matrix was that a "Welcome to Fanfic" reference?
hot burrow
Chad I'm going to be honest with you. Your profile picture looks like you ate out rainbow dash.
atomic tree
It is okay, people have said and done worse upon seeing my picture
stable urchin
True
stable urchin
I can confess to that
atomic tree
Unzipped NO
stable urchin
wraith matrix
@atomic tree yes
atomic tree
Thank God! A man of culture!
vestal delta
CaN wE gEt BaCk On ToPiC
shrewd geyser
Ok. I think its about time I throw my own hat in the ring.
The following is my personal speculation:
With the addition of the new information in this channel, I don't believe these creatures are Aliens/Zombies/Parasites etc...
I think that they are a previously undiscovered subterranean homo-sapien species who co-evolved alongside us from the same shared ark of DNA carried by the meteor that impacted in the Chicxulub Crater. They are what the human species might look like if we evolved to live in that environment deep underground. Lack of eyes, as light is at a premium, large gaping maw designed to dig and create tunnel structures underground (Strikers), feelers to get a sense for the interior of the cave around them in total darkness(Scouts). even bio-luminescence(Shooters/Lightbulbs). They are hyper-sensitive to light and sound as their organ system requires them to respond to very small amounts of stimulus. They probably hibernate to save energy as they might have to wait a long time between meals. (sleepers)
I think Santonian Industries was looking for the origin of human life, and they got more than they bargained for. Digging into their natural environment that had previously been isolated from the world above. I also speculate that something about the creatures (or something else down there) is still of significant value either scientifically or economically and that is the reason the Warden continues to send prisoners down into the complex despite the fact that it has clearly been FUBAR.
vestal delta
how would you explain the infection level?
do you think other humans could be changed to be like the sleepers?
shrewd geyser
Hmm. Honestly that part I'm not sure about. (though didn't they state already that the creatures aren't zombies?) maybe it's somewhat of a red herring. We see a bunch of dead sleepers around the maps who don't seem to have died of injury sustained by a prisoner but rather seem to have expired of natural causes. Maybe the ecosystem from where they come from is quite different than ours, and as they move higher into the complex towards the surface into a more natural atmosphere that their bodies slowly start to decay and die. Like what would happen to us if you slowly started increasing the Co2 counts in a room. We see the characters wearing gas masks which lends to the idea that their is something in the air that could be harmful to humans. Perhaps the infection is bacterial in nature? like something that occurs within the stomach lining of the creatures guts that reacts in bad ways to humans. I honestly don't know much about the infection level as I hadn't seen much about that before and if someone wants to come and prove me wrong by providing more insight I would certainly welcome it. But I would hazard a guess that infection level would increase in proportion to density of the creatures in a given area correct?
elder viper
We wear gas masks but never have to replace the filters
seems like bullshit to me
>:[
Also I'm with the worm idea. That's why males have such a grossly enlarged intestinal tract. That's where the worm lives.
eternal talon
One major problem with that theory.
We evolved from mammals allready existing on the planet. Our evolution had nothing to do with the meteorite, or even on the same side of the world, except for the fact that it killed off the predators and let mammals become dominant
Also, in the rundown we have an "infected level". Soo.. it is definitely not aliens, and definitely not a different genus of human.
solar nova
@eternal talon An infection could be alien, although this seems to be denied by the devs.
eternal talon
Do you know why?
solar nova
I lean towards ancient and extremely powerful disease we've rediscovered.
eternal talon
The "aliens" would have been on earth longer than humanity. So not aliens. By the logic you pose, humans would be aliens because we evolved from bacteria back when earth was only recently not a fireball
I agree with @solar nova. It checks the most of the boxes with all the information we have at current
Maybe not re-discovered, but yes. Likely an ancient and highly irregular parasite with unique properties and effects
solar nova
Their age isn't what would make them aliens though, their nativity to earth (or lack there-of) would.
stoic rock
bacteria would have had to evolve much different at the same time our bacteria manifested with each other
solar nova
stoic rock
When our bacteria was around, it merged with other types of cells or single celled organism
to make the first proper cells?
solar nova
Prokaryotes like bacteria first evolved into eukaryotes, like protists, having large cells with advanced organelles.
stoic rock
Yes
solar nova
These colonize, and would have formed the first multicellular organisms.
stoic rock
You are the cell man
solar nova
Aye.
stoic rock
i am the marine bio guy
lets do this
When the earth was still a firry pit of doom
**
the ozone layer didnt exist
hence all the organisms would have to go into the sea
If in turn, the infection around this
could have taken a possible different role during the first stages of evolution in cells
it may have hosted in other cells, like a virus or parasite,
but then during the mass extinction of the Cambrian period, they may have become isolated and began mutating to cope with the new environment at a rate less normal than normal organisms
To which it ended up underneath where the meteor crater that ended the dinosaur age
the heat would have boosted their productivity as they may have entered a hibernation state and the heat warmed them up to start again
just like snakes in the sun
Then we uncovered it, and screwed up the operation
booski
Then again, this is fictitious but relating with realistic biology
solar nova
I think it might be like those extremophiles that dry up and then come back to life when it's wet again. Probably a dangerous parasite during the Cretaceous, possibly a deep sea parasite.
Very Lovecraftian, if so.
stoic rock
Potentially, like those frogs in the mountains when winter comes
freeze, anti-freeze in body, stay alive, when ice melt and water enters frog skin - REINCARNATION
wait
no
they literally die
and come back to life
But then again, they possibly adapted the long worm tongue from massive frogs in the dinosaur age if it was around or not isolated back then
using that genetic code and manifesting it as 'useful' for when they do become isolated
using it to bring in other cells or organism
bit like the louse in the ocean that bites off and replaces fishes mouths
i gtg
sorry
solar nova
Cya man.
lilac island
Has there been anything thats already been confirmed?
dry owl
I think that this is a parasitic infection and that this facility is near yucatan to research the asteroid, who killed the dinosaurs
lilac island
Do you know if this is a old government facility or some corporation site? @dry owl
dry owl
Cannot tell you for sure. It is a mining company. If politicians have interest in this site? Dont know
onyx socket
looks a bit like a mining complex, especially since the next level is called "the dig"
shrewd geyser
Man I missed a lot on my drive home. Ok, in order:
"We wear gas masks but never have to replace the filters"
"seems like bullshit to me"
I'm not entirely sure what you are driving at here. If your point is that the air is perfectly safe because if it was dangerous there would be a game mechanic around changing the air filter I think Occam's razor is the best answer. There is no game mechanic around the air filter because it would be a lot of work for the developers and most likely wouldn't lead to a more compelling game play experience. But I don't think that means we should ignore any and all elements of the atmospheric storytelling simply because they aren't mechanics based.
"We evolved from mammals already existing on the planet. Our evolution had nothing to do with the meteorite, or even on the same side of the world, except for the fact that it killed off the predators and let mammals become dominant"
This is the modern theory, yes. That humans evolved from some ancient African groundhog looking creatures. However a lot of sci-fi is written on the basis of an older theory that has really only recently fallen out of favor. That being that the DNA humans came from was actually deposited on earth by the meteor that killed the dinosaurs so I guess now is a good time to add:
"By the logic you pose, humans would be aliens because we evolved from bacteria back when earth was only recently not a fireball"
and, yes. That is exactly what the theory says. I should take a minute to address that I am not saying I personally believe or support this theory as fact. Just that quite a lot of famous media is based on it. Take for example Evangelion and The Black and White Moons. In that story Lilith deposits humanity on earth through the first impact of the Black Moon. This idea is taken directly from the theory proposed above.
also for ELI, https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1D2mdwwY2EvieuvQ3twaa1X-OU-kaUCdhxr6hqIZRfqg/edit#slide=id.g651cffc0a2_0_7
What I would be really curios about is if anyone has any concrete evidence as to what the "Infection level" readout actually refers to. I feel that everyone is jumping to conclusions by labeling the creatures as parasitic or infectious without any evidence for what exactly the prisoners are being infected with. For all we know the infection level refers to how much Asbestos is in their systems from rubbing themselves against the walls...
dry owl
Well, most of the time the simplest answer is the easiest. If this would be more a chemical thing, it would be called contaminated. Infection makes no sense with chemicals. I dont believe this is jumping to conclusions, cause this is one of our best lore points we got from the devs. We dont rly know what the infection rly is, but it is one in my opinion. People found a parasite or whatever and this lead to a massive outbreak and later the mutation of humans.
Also we see those corpses laying around. Indicating that infected people took those positions before they turned. That is why sleepers are sitting in these positions.
some died during the transition
lilac island
hello i play alone for gtfo 1 first play not know play alone
dry owl
So you are playing alone and dont know if you should?
lilac island
ciao sono un player allinizio se ce qualcuno mi contatti in privato ciao
play for team, alone gtfo is horrible
dry owl
?t lfg
cloud swiftBOT
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dry owl
Ask in those channels. People are nice and they will help you^^
lilac island
yes
eternal talon
Anyway,most of the evidence for whatever is down there being a parasite, is because of a few factors. As stated before, corpses not completely turned are scattered about and decomposing. This could be a few factors, but show that these creatures are some sort of infectious thing. All of the "humans" down there are either in that dead, rotting state, or are these creatures. Now, were it a virus, it wouldn't be feasible that it could take control over specific things and weaponize them externally IE: The shooters mutating their teeth and gums into producing rapidly reproducing bone shards, or sharpened teeth, as projectiles. And massive bone shards breaking through the skull to form a shield. In nature, a fungus does something similar, where it puppets an ant and grows out of the ant's head after finding a suitable place to plant itself.
Were it a virus, it wouldnt have so much control over the host. Mutating it sure, there is potential for that. However, this is directly beyond what could be considered "living". If you are in a mission and are fighting some sleepers, you can take off their entire torso and limbs, leaving them as just a pair of legs and a spine, and they are still alive! Quite fascinating. As if this were a virus, the death of the host would disable it. But this has a deeper connection to the host's body.
and for the giants, you can remove all of the flesh from their legs, leaving bone and little muscle tissue exposed, and they still function as if fully intact. This is just not simply what a virus could do within the definition.
stoic rock
The fungus you are talking about is Cordyceps, The last of us uses a mutated cordyceps as an infector as the main enemy during the game
loud pawn
They're an intense species in theory. I have only studied them briefly, but the way some of them reproduce is by shedding up to 30,000 spores a second. Which then burrow into the muscles of ants, forming a network of roots. Flooding their brains with chemicals & more or less compels them to rise to higher elevations, where conditions to spread is better. They then compel the ant to basically strike a pose & bite the Earth as the cordyceps then release themselves from the exoskeleton & continue to do just that- spread more.
eternal talon
now, even with the similarities, i still wouldn't consider this to be fungi. as fungi uses it's own... stuff... in addition to the hosts stuff, whereas, a virus would hijack and use exclusively the host's... stuff
hollow bough
based on that logic, the sleepers in game seem to have new stuff, like the globs on the shooters' heads, or the reformation of the human face into a striker
so if anything, that would make it closer to a fungi based on what you said
unless I am missing something
stable urchin
@hollow bough Pretty sure the globs on the shooters heads, are eggs
atomic tree
I still don't think it is fungi based, solely on this pic:
We can see that there is some kind of worm creature
stable urchin
They are Ice-skaters
atomic tree
The other one you dofus!
dry owl
this pic is gold xD
atomic tree
One of the only proper pics showing the legs of the worms
Lol dancy boi!
vestal delta
bruh we had the same thing cao
but i cant find the video now
and i saw the worm mccree
dry owl
With the big one?
dry owl
That was great ngl. 😄
atomic tree
Well, then it would make any sense
stable urchin
Why would a fungi need to lay eggs?
atomic tree
Why would a fungi be a worm
stable urchin
Hence, why i believe it not to be a fungi
atomic tree
High five dude
stable urchin
Ye
vestal delta
i mean which pathogen would lay eggs?
atomic tree
None
atomic tree
That is why I say worms, parasite snizzle like that.
eternal talon
if you look closely, everything on them is "natural". just extremely mutated and twisted, there isn't something there that didn't at least "start" human, in some way.
trim latch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4l514lBb8 the origin of the infection
Scout tendrils finally explained
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if that worm inspired some stuff in gtfo
atomic tree
I agree 😄
stone vine
sup gamers
loud pawn
Those things are interesting. & Creepy. @trim latch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVvZc_QgAC4
Or this thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7ByiYbCYM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Devs went down more than a few YT rabbit holes of weird videos like these. 
acoustic quest
trim latch
damn
clear steppe
is there any lore as to why the sleepers are fucking invisible in d1?
remote wharf
stone vine
icy flame
Awwww he just wants to cuddle
grizzled ice
yeah i will never set foot in the ocean again thank you
stoic rock
BOBBIT WORMS
gaunt kernel
why not? The ocean is a wonderfu-
who am I kidding, the ocean is terrifying
I should know! My entire channel is based around my ironic fear of the ocean-
stable urchin
The ocean is hell
gaunt kernel
yES
stone vine
how do you not like the ocean
i want to go down into the depth of the ocean
thinking of it as a career choice actually
i can see why people dont like it though
cute fish
shut mountain
Let's keep this channel lore related lads and lasses 👌
stone vine
this is, how do we know if that doesnt exist in this universe
or does
very lore related
Also, I discovered something while playing C1
acoustic quest
??
stone vine
cornell industries i
cornel
this is what links the reactor to the terminal in c1
so i assume cornel is the supplier for the reactor
acoustic quest
uuh this is new for me
stable urchin
very corny
stone vine
very cool unzipped
so now weve got santonian and cornel
also look
It’s blurry but it says
A2 protocol
acoustic quest
yeah cornell im search
stone vine
So, this possibly has a connection to a new bit of the complex
All the terminals say A2 protocol
So maybe each rundown is used for unlocking the next one
Which I’d say is true
GUys
omg look too
the dev abodbackas profile picture says santonian mining instead of industries
stable urchin
Well, it was kinda speculated they were mining there
stable urchin
So that adds on to that theory
stone vine
i used to be g team rat
stone vine
lol
lilac island
The doors say santonian industries
stable urchin
Teach me sensei
stable urchin
What is g team rat?
stone vine
my old username lol
stable urchin
oh
stone vine
i used to be here a lot
and i talked to you quite a bit
i was the guy with the tick theory
stable urchin
I don't seem to recall, which must mean i didn't headpat you
Oh yeah
I remember now
stone vine
the 7 hour long tick research session
it still haunts me
hmm but the mining under santonian is cut off
could say more
but i guess we wont know for now
stable urchin
ye
stone vine
Santonians website also refers to it being a strategic investors group
meaning they put money into other companies
so, it is entirely possible they invest into cornel
or maybe even other companies
it could be a multi company secret project
atomic tree
I like they are Strategic, not like those wild erratic investors.
atomic tree
GTFO: Tactical Spending FPS
stone vine
lol
stable urchin
manage your sleepers, build an economic empire
stone vine
take over the complex
kill the prisoners
the best spending FPS weve seen yet
brought to you by the creaters of pay day
coming late 2020
gaunt kernel
GTFO Dating Sim
Want a hot, parasitic wife with fine curves, who wakes up easily and is ready for action?
What about a husband with a long tongue?
someone post the kawaii shooter plis
atomic tree
vestal delta
you should make one for the scout
dry owl
Omg, this is gold! Just top. Love the art
atomic tree
Would Scouts be "Ara Ara ~" or "Yare Yare. . . "
dry owl
I think "Ara Ara ~" She walks kinda sassy
jolly plinth
also a thing, ranged enemies eyes are usually still there
gaunt kernel
Who made the original "Baka" scout/shooter?
I'd consider taking the time to make a digital-art version, if I had permission-
stable urchin
ye
gaunt kernel
Ye?
stable urchin
Pretty sure
gaunt kernel
Well, when I have time maybe I'll ask-
solar nova
Damn, scout-chan is lookin' kinda cute ;)
surreal swift
ray pls
shut mountain
Alright, let's get back to lore over here, if you guys want to discuss how kawaii the monsters are use the regular #gtfo-chat
somber pilot
So I got a theory
What if the sleepers got dinosaur tapeworms inside of them
What if a dinosaur tapeworm, much bigger than modern tapeworms got put underground by that big meteor
It killed the dinosaurs but not inside of them
And on the inside
Tapeworm
The tapeworm slowly multiplied and spread around the facility
Until c2 sprung a leak in the roof and the tapeworm broke through
The tapeworm is too big for person so it make them look weird when it get inside them
It don't like people because people aren't dinosaur
So it release it magic DNA juice and try and turn people into dinosaur
That why sleeper look weird
That my theory, any question?!?
Explain all lore in game
I also have a theory that the warden is Sheldon cooper but there isn't much evidence to back that one up
eternal talon
The blast from the impact woulda killed everything nearby. Including tapeworms. That theory is bust.
You gotta remember, it WIPED OUT the dinosaurs. It didnt just land and form a crater
vestal delta
intresting theory, but yeah its pretty unlikely to have happened
but never say never i guess
eternal talon
Never
vestal delta
you broke the rule
eternal talon
The heat emitted from the impact is equivalent to more than a million nuclear bombs. It boiled away the atmosphere and vaporized half the continent.
somber pilot
I mean
Maybe they heat resistant tapeworm
I never burned a dinosaur tapeworm
Did you?
Dinosaurs did play in lava a lot, I mean they ha fossils and fossil is just lava bone
Although I admit it may have been tough, I think there's a chance
Although there are other improbable points of the theory
stable urchin
Loch, why have you forsaken me like this?
somber pilot
?
I mean it's a great theory
I'll keep it on the down low for now since you guys don't believe it
But if I end up being right...
You owe me an apology
eternal talon
A giant tapeworm... the fact that you can tear the sleepers in half and remove nearly all tissue from their legs is what makes me doubt that most of all.
They are incredably resilient in ways that are absolutely insane. They are like 096 in the ways that you can tear them apart and they will still be functional
dry owl
@eternal talon actually it is theorized that the asteroid did not wipe them out fully. It was the harsh winter which followed. dinosaurs lost their food source. Mamals, crocodiles and others survived, cause their niches were simply better for this event. But yeah, nothing survived in ground zero.
dry owl
Yeah I know. I was simply nitpicking on the events that is all. 😛
digital bronze
vestal delta
dont bully loch he tried his best
vestal delta
sleepers are nice
lilac island
New Lore Idea: This is just PAYDAY’s secret white house ending with the gold. Thus giving everyone an eternal hell cause they did some spooky stuff
B)
tall anchor
no
blazing sandal
yes
real pewter
yo
eternal talon
There is still 1 floor down below d1.
acoustic quest
yeah
were you think the monsters of c1 come from
dry owl
you meant d1^^ I believe
acoustic quest
i think about that too but is the only thing logical i could think of
nono
c1
the only place where they come ia from the crater were we came from
acoustic quest
yes
dry owl
Rly? That is interesting. I always thought of the shadows coming from down below, because we need to deactivate the reactor to open a path
eternal talon
Bacterial sludge bucket
dry owl
You mean the horny guys?
acoustic quest
i think it hates tea
eternal talon
Everyone likes tea
dry owl
Probably hates us too
eternal talon
It's good for your heart.
eternal talon
UGH! That is not tea!
acoustic quest
iuuuh Bublé tea i love that
eternal talon
@native shell, if you are here with us and want to talk, move this cup of tea
@dry owl break out the wegaborad
@native shell, please tell us. What are your motives?
solar nova
You need a ritual sacrifice to get the Warden to speak, pretty sure.
eternal talon
@native shell, please, tell us who we must sacrifice to get you to speak
eternal talon
@native shell I found your homework folder. Commune with us or it will be released!
stable urchin
Don't release it
I saw it while i was doing ma weekly patting session with The Warden, it's actually homework
eternal talon
-b +- |b^2-4ac/2a
vestal delta
are you okay?
eternal talon
Negative B plus or minus square root of B squared minus 4 AC over 2A
stable urchin
But why?
eternal talon
I've seen everything...
stable urchin
How does this help us
dry owl
I even wrote a wall of text to santonian industries. They never answered and I doubt the Warden will 😛
eternal talon
There are sleeper nudes in there...
eternal talon
Homework/seriouslyhomework/stopit/stop/labresults/hiv?
stable urchin
well, sleepers are The Wardens homework too
eternal talon
@native shell. Why are you even In the discord if you dont do anything?
stable urchin
It does from time to time
eternal talon
Like what
dry owl
stable urchin
The warden has been in the lore chat too
dry owl
Rly? Cool
vestal delta
hmm this is some intresting lore
eternal talon
@native shell. Are you an AI, a group of people, or an individual?
*the triangle is not moving.
*but nobody came
dry owl
neado pfp madz and I believe we should stop. We can use the gtfo-chat for that or we will get to feel the wrath of the mods.^^
stable urchin
Cao has a point
visual storm
the warden has BOT next to its name so it must be an AI 
eternal talon
Gtfo bot has a BOT next to its name, but it has a person as its picture
visual storm
then they are an android
acoustic quest
hes the HUD
lilac island
@native shell is a bot
It's clearly a super advanced AI developed by none other than Elon Musk himself
gaunt kernel
Is it a spoiler to mention C2 and D1 enemies in a theory anymore? If so, I will spoiler. if not, I'll freely talk about something c:
trim gazelle
This channel is spoiler friendly, go ahead
gaunt kernel
Well I'll take your word for it, bud!
What are shadows made of? That's been a question I don't think I've seen answered. I even looked in the search bar.
Ectoplasm, perhaps? Ectoplasm is the more viscous, and clear outer layer of the cytoplasm in certain cells, amoeboid cells to be specific. They could also be reminiscent of ocean-dwelling creatures in the deeper depths, such as the Glass Octopus, which are gelatinous and transparent.
Interestingly, such translucent creatures "have been caught nearly 1,000 meters below the surface" according to an article I read- so, when we go really deep such as D1, it's interesting to see that sort of coincidence play out c:
Anyone else?
eternal talon
It is very deep. So they could just be translucent, yeah
I wouldnt think they would be ghosts or anything
eternal talon
What lore is there that we haven't allready covered here with the parasite theory?
I'm making a list. I'm gonna check it twice. I'm gonna find out if... you get the point
acoustic quest
can you tell me the points here or in dm? i want to check what you have listed
eternal talon
- they came from the 'roid
2)highly infectious parasite
3)prolly couldnt've gotten out in time - apple
- the individual types of sleeper is based on how they were pre-infection
6)they can still be alive after chop chop in half. - shooters shoot bone at yoh.
- mutated tongue whip
9)mining corporation with large security doors and HSU units a-plenty.. - why is there so much ammo everywhere
11)jesus! Why is there so much ammo???
12)they pop like a balon.
13)They gotta be hollow, or atleast partly, their insides glow! - woah. Big bois.. I dunno what happened there...
- scout.. um... what even are you? A blue man group reject?
16)um... armored dudes, probably either tar or some kinda shiny armor, I got no freaking clue
17)um... I'm out of points. You really put me on the spot here
dry owl
- I can answer. But this time I do the shortrun. That is not tar nor armor. The infection was able to genetically enhance the body in front, knowing the weakspots of humans. So they probably us Calcium salts, and cellulose or chitin and put it in large quantities ind the skincells. Could also be keratin which different types of animals have called horn.^^
The horns themselves are just mutated like cancer
frozen cairn
mushroom zombies
eternal talon
Not zombies. That'd be really lame
Also didnt they say somewhere specifically that it wasnt zombies?
dry owl
Yes, no zombies
brisk sun
dry owl
What is this mystery suppossed to be?
solar nova
Wave creatures have a darker tan skin pigmentation, rather than the pale pigmentation of sleepers in rooms.
I suppose this is because alarm enemies are coming out of walls, vents, and other tight spaces, while the lighter pigmented sleepers are in open air.
hollow bough
That isn't the case as those chargers are also found sleeping in normal rooms like Zone_94, 95, 98, and 99 too.
solar nova
@hollow bough Chargers don't seem to have a noticeable pigmentation difference, they are both jet black, but the other sleepers do.
I expect they're an exception.
The armoring will probably remove any noticeable differences between the two (or it's so subtle nobody would notice).
hollow bough
Oh, so you're saying the enemies that come during alarms, all of them, look different?
@solar nova
I thought by darker tan skin you were talking about the chargers
eternal talon
Hmm.
Flesh and tone darkens as a body decomposes, but that would only explain the color, not the texture or strength of it
hollow bough
I think he's talking about enemies that come at you during an alarm compared to the sleepers you find in rooms sleeping, that there is a slight difference in how they look. @eternal talon
I haven't seen that, but I haven't looked that closely at their skin during alarms lmao, so maybe there is a difference, but I don't think they would spend the time to retexture alarm door enemies for a small bit of lore
solar nova
Yah, the alarm enemies are distinctly different looking. It's the sort of thing you don't notice, but is obvious when you look for it.
It's wave enemies in general, so scout summons also have it.
Actually makes it easier to identify where a wave is coming from.
dry owl
That is an interesting discovery.
eternal talon
Could be the lighting engine..
onyx socket
yeah I think the alarm ones are darker
I've noticed that on my runs and wondered, glad I wasn't the only one
lilac island
Model difference
Could be due to how ones are active
Like since ones could be more attuned to light since the legit white ones prolly never see light and defend while the other ones seek out and destroy/find food forcthe hive
We are the food
If thay makes sense
onyx socket
Could be that the redder skin = angrier too
frozen cairn
ohshi
vestal delta
interesting lore
frail pollen
Let's keep this about the game lore please
hot burrow
Catfish
jolly plinth
like mini rhinos?
solar nova
@lilac island The alarm enemies might not be active, though, although it's not a bad explanation. The problem is we haven't seen active sleepers anywhere else, excluding scouts, which are also pale. It would be quite resources intensive to have so many sleepers actively wandering the complex, so I feel it's more plausible to suggest they're sleeping in different environments, perhaps being even less active than pale sleepers, only waking up when something very loud stirs them.
lilac island
yeah
but these ones like crawl threw the groujnd
assuming
cause they usually spawn in like non metal areas
ie in a1 for example they like spawn in the actual spawn area
solar nova
@lilac island They can spawn pretty much anywhere, as seen in most alarms and scout waves.
lilac island
dont need to @ me for legit any line
you say
also the lighter shades are always sleeping
right?
fervent iris
yup
hollow bough
Summoner, people @ others if a discussion isn't actively happening, ie you message, then he responds 20 minutes later because he was busy, so he @'s you so you see the message, and just in case you take a while to respond too and other people put messages in the chat, you can see his reply highlighted
but on the lore, the alarm guys having a different coloration is interesting, didn't bother to pay attention to their coloration, glad you caught that
hollow bough
and I still don't understand how the sleepers on the other side of the door we're opening during the alarm don't wake up and prepare to attack us when we open it or try to find another way to us
hollow bough
it doesn't hurt to @ someone
lilac island
only hear vibrations
hollow bough
all sound causes vibrations though
lilac island
dunno tbh
hollow bough
of course it is game design, wouldn't be fun if everything in the level in a 45 meter radius woke up when an alarm sounded
solar nova
Tbh, Ethan, some random guy in A1 told me that, and I was like "that's bullshit." Figured it out later by looking at their skin tones.
hollow bough
maybe the alarm is a certain frequency that the darker ones just so happen to be able to hear, but the regular sleepers can't
hollow bough
that would explain why if you skip past a room, then activate an alarm, the ones in that room won't wake up unless you go and wake them up with gunshots or other normal ways
lilac island
or blast doors are on one side
hollow bough
blast doors are on one side? what do you mean by that?
lilac island
and make the other side super quiet IE why we cant hear a scout?
right thats behind a blast door
or any big ol door
besides the small ones
hollow bough
but enemies in the same zone that haven't been woken won't hear the alarm and wake up
like in zone_18 on B2, area c, if you bypass that and leave them alone and do 22 or 23's alarm, they will stay in there and continue to sleep unless you go over and wake them up
or shoot too close when their door is open