bc the strikers have the bloated stomach/lower area
#gtfo-lore
stone vine
yes
rare plover
parasite...
stone vine
im gonna go work on my doc for a bit and send u guys the info
frail sand
ye
It's still more likely either a Parasite or a Virus, over Bacteria or Fungal, based on the appearance of anywhere that's infected and that ceiling stuff in C2
lilac island
It could also be worth noting that the worms cant actually become a host inside Females because all that we see of female sleepers are ranged and all they can do is shoot out whatever it is they're shoot
No noticeable worm inside female sleepers so who knows
normal ermine
Did you ever get the ceiling picture in C2?
lilac island
Nah never really noticed C2's ceiling was more focused on the enemy there
normal ermine
Some people noticed that in a particular room in C2, especially where you first encounter the chargers, there was something moving on the ceiling.
stone vine
the nest
normal ermine
Sure cause I don't know where to find the nest.
stone vine
i do
ill go get it
anyone wnna do it with me so i can get through lol, cant do solo
normal ermine
Sure
normal ermine
38
stone vine
sorry for the intense breathing btw
lilac island
not sure if shit design but
i noticed that this "door" is only onesided
maybe a closet??
stone vine
woah wtf
stone vine
maybe
and the door wouldve gotten stuck
but what would be inside
oh and also on c2 theres a walled in entry point to another room. posibly soemone blocked of a way to another part of the complex
Harmony pointed out this body while I game
Could be mid transformation into a striker or charger
Nest pic too not good tho
What I notice is the veins on the nest kinda look like the ones on the charger
OMG sleepers do have eyes!
at least the shooters do
not working ones but this could help
im trying to find the pic again one sec
look you can clearly see the outline of the face
or, well, the skeleton
maybe their bone structure is still the same on shooters
actually no its not a skeleton, the nose is still intact
😮
its on the ingame models too
wow
cant belive i didnt notice before
pearl sparrow
So is there no official lore and will there be lore with the official release? Everyone's just making up their own ideas?
stone vine
ye but i hope at the end we know the true lore
i hope they just give us clues along the way
so by the time we have it confirmed weve already figured it out
silver bough
Agreed ^^^
normal ermine
Clues are fine but you can't go wrong with a little imagination.
stone vine
yes
thats what im saying is that they should add clues we have to piece together ourselves
so we have to make our own theories and find one that we think best suites
like rn weve got tons of theories
with what weve been given
pearl sparrow
I see that. But I'd prefer if there was something with a lot of gaps you can fill with your own ideas and theories
stone vine
im not saying a ton of clues, like a voice log her or there, and like then stuff like the nests
but if we have nothing to make new theories with its gonna get boring
because at this point were reciting the same things everyday
but idk i guess well see whats to come 🙂
normal ermine
I have to agree with Fu Manchu. If the devs answers every question then what's the point of getting immersed in the world that is GTFO.
stone vine
i mean stuff like this
"theyre coming, (important name), get these people to the, (unintelligable destination)
like stuff we have to put our theories into and decide whats going on for ourselves
not like,
just giving us an answer
well anyways enough of that i completed my data chart
here you guys go
Enemy--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cause(unknown)(sonar?)(hivemind?)(nest?)
Sleepers---
Scouts, Strikers, Shooters, Shadows, Chargers, Big shooters, Big strikers (7 enemies in the rundown)
Scout---|Long tendril-like appendages that form out of the back of its neck and are used to feel around for life- don’t care about movement unless in a very close radius-|Glow blue when aggressive|Female appearance|Reacts to feeling fully unturned life forms from their feelers| Attacks with melee when aggroed| Screams like a beluga whale when setting off| Aggroing other creatures can set it off| Releases a huge beam of blue light once it is set off|Guns can set it off| Shooting or melee to the head while c-foamed or releasing feelers kills it|Appears to look like a medium-sized Shooter| Rare| Doesn’t get alerted as easily as normal sleepers|close range|
Charger---|Has a weak point on its back or hitting its head from an angle|Long worm-like creatures travel through the veins of the charger|Charger is very spikey|Run faster than normal sleepers|Are stronger than normal sleepers|Cant run in circles|Located only near nests in C2|Reacts to sound, light, and human/ melee touch|Male appearance|Small bloatation on its intestine|Aggros red|Attacks close range|Charges into its enemy|To charge it stops abruptly, bends over, and then charges in a straight line| Head appears to be completely unrecognisible with spikes coming out of eyes, face, and shoulders|Armoured on everything accept its back|Guns can set it off|
Shadows|Can’t be seen without flashlight|Repeat striker/shooter animation when killed|
Not known to aggro or sleep (yet?)|Located in D1 near reactor|Only come out after reactor is turned off|No identified gender appearance|No known radius or reactants other than turning off the reactor|Maybe using the darkness without the reactor to camouflage(unconfirmed)|
Striker|Common|Weird mouth like appendage the forms from its mouth|Blotation around the middle area of its body|Close ranged attacks|Bloating looks like intestine|Radius spans out about 9-10 feet from its body|Reacts to sound, light, and human/ melee touch|Male body appearance|Aggros red|Body is covered in bumps, and its head has been split open with a huge mouth located inside the split|Many rows of sharp teeth within its mouth|Bends over to attack|Can still use its attack after having its head mutilated|Guns can set it off|
Shooter|common|Weird egg-like black cysts forming all over the skin| No bloating of any
sort|Long Ranged attacks|Shoots small balls of light from its head|Face is still visible but unrecognisible| Radius 9-10 ft|Reacts to sound light, and human/melee touch|Aggros red| Body appears normal other than the head containing cyst-like eggs and swelling along some parts of its body containing small cysts| Stays upright while attacking| Can still use attack after having its head mutilated|Guns can set it off|
Big Striker|Same build as a striker, just a lot bigger|Close Range attacks and far range|Uncommon|Huge amount of bloating near the middle of its body showing huge intestine|Will either a melee attack or use its mouth-like tongue to attack depending on range| Radius is 10 - 12 ft|Quite slow|Weak point is stomach downwards|Takes multiple people to take down|Reacts to sound, light, and human/melee touch|Male body appearance|aggros red|Can still function with most of its body completely gone|Guns can set it off|
Big Shooter| Same build as a shooter, just a lot bigger| Far and close-range attacks|Uncommon|No bloatation located on the body| Will either melee or shoot large beams of light|Female appearance|Radius 10 - 12 ft|Quite slow|Weak point is stomach downward|Takes multiple people to take down|Reacts to light, sound, and human/melee touch|aggros red|Can function with most of its body completely gone|Guns can set it off|
just a desc of each enemy
stone vine
🙂
atomic tree
Woah what a text
hollow bough
@stone vine your info on the Big Shooter is wrong, it doesn't melee
stone vine
Oh thought it did
Thankyou
I was just thinking it'd be the same as big striker
Same build as a shooter, just a lot bigger| Far-range attacks|Uncommon|No bloatation located on the body| Will shoot large beams of light|Female appearance|Radius 10 - 12 ft|Quite slow|Weak point is stomach downward|Takes multiple people to take down|Reacts to light, sound, and human/melee touch|aggros red|Can function with most of its body completely gone|Guns can set it off|
there the new desc
hollow bough
oh, also it shoots three light things at a time @stone vine
other than that, the rest of the descriptions seem to sum it up alright
stone vine
thanks i couldnt find anything on the big shooter so it was a struggle
hollow bough
no worries
stone vine
🙂 this helps a lot
hollow bough
also, idk about the big shooter and big striker having a weakness from belly down
I think they just take damage anywhere on their body that isn't blown off yet until dead
stone vine
well thats where its easiest spot to kill it
hollow bough
also, the big shooter and big striker are stunned for a bit when a limb is blown off by gun fire or fully charged melee to that limb
stone vine
alright will add
hollow bough
but blowing off a limb isn't required to kill
so you can melee 4 fully charged hits in the chest and it will die with limbs in tact
hollow bough
happy to help m8
stone vine
😄
sullen anvil
for the big striker it works with 4 full chest hits?
sullen anvil
we tried with 3 guys and it wiped our run haha
sullen anvil
okie will inform team
real pewter
hollow bough
@sullen anvil if you're gonna do 3 man kill, make sure the big one is alone pretty much, have one aim for the leg/head, the others go for guaranteed chest hits, so it staggers giving you time to charge up another hit or continuously smacking it
but most of the time it is just best to get your three hits off and then shoot it to death to avoid losing health if it smacks you by recovering fast or you can't melee it in tijme
and always remember that you don't have to kill everything all the time, just sneak past some if there is too much to stealth kill and you don't need to sprint through that area later
sullen anvil
but doesnt alerting everything alert stuff in previous rooms?
hollow bough
no, only in the room you're in, unless you're about 30 meters away from an enemy in the previous room with the door open
hollow bough
if it's closed, or you're further than 30 meters away, gun fire won't wake others
if a sleeper screeches out to others as well in one room, separate from another room, you can melee it and the other room won't wake unless you're close enough for them to hear your sprinting/moving
but the sleeper's AI alarming of your presence is based on being in the same room
only your movement/shooting can set off a different room
sullen anvil
is there a difference between walking and crouch walking?
hollow bough
walking makes more noise
noise makes them advance from asleep, to croaking, to beating, then to awake
so if you walk instead of crouch walk, they will start croaking right away like if you flashed them with a light
if you're near them
normal ermine
So an interesting detail to point out that people may have noticed in C2 is what I believe to be a nest.
stone vine
ye what about it
fallen cove
If anything that just looks like a large mass of the infection.
arctic hinge
yea, nothing pointing to a nest, personally I think the mass is the cause of whatever contaminate is causing the sleepers, not the sleepers causing the mass.
it almost looks like a whole lotta worms, so I think the infection is some sort of worm like parasite which lays eggs in a host to reproduce, and those infected with the eggs become sleepers.
stone vine
Nah don't think they get infected w eggs
That's probs an aftermath thing
I mean unless they hatch new sleepers outta them which would just be a wtf to the devs
vapid monolith
Notice how it glows exactly like the sleepers do
vapid monolith
I don't think it's a nest, I think it's just biomass growth, like a corral
maybe it houses those death tentacles from the reveal trailer....
lilac island
What I want to know is How many people did they house in this underground facility
We so no housing or anything like it yet there's thousands of sleepers everywhere
stable urchin
they where a couple 100 researchers right?
lilac island
100 researchers
Yet You can go ahead and play B2 And kill well over that number and still find corpses strewn about either Fully dead and not transformed or Just beginning transformation
late oasis
Considering the size of that facility 100 researchers would make sense. additionally maintenance workers, janitors, cooks,security and other jobs...
stable urchin
ye
late oasis
you´d get to a 1000+ people rather easy with it
lilac island
Fair point Cant argue against that
late oasis
It´s not like the virus/fungus/parasite would discriminate on intelligence "Oh your IQ is below 110 i wont infect the dumb dumb"
stable urchin
lol
late oasis
if anything the researchers would be patient zero
lilac island
Also I'd like to think that the whole facility isn't researcher intensive it feels more like a mine than anything else But with Extra security
You see all types of excavation machines and the like
late oasis
In that case the diggers would be to catch it first
My guess: the infection started and they tried to quarantine it but things went out of control as the infection rate was waaaay faster than them locking up the infected
they essentially got overrun before they really had any time to react. the small number of ammunition aviable didnt help the security forces all that much either
Considering they had suddenly to deal with large numbers of mutated workers with presumably sidearms and shotguns. at best smgs.
yikes. not envying those guys
lilac island
Good theory And sounds pretty viable towards what we know so far
stone vine
So, Chicxulub, the meteor that took out the dinosaurs, has crashed into the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico. The time is 66 million years from today, long before humans would ever walk the Earth. A small entity(unknown) comes across a weird growth on the meteor. This entity mutates with the new growth forming what we know is turning people infected. Fast forward about 66 million years to some years before the collapse of the facility. A group of scientists discover this meteor and decide to start construction underneath to build a research facility. Upon building these facilities they do not know of the new life form they will be soon to discover. Upon the facility opening for research years later, the small group of scientists has grown to a many hundred, calling themselves Santonian Industries. They start to properly research through and discover the small mutated entity. Upon finding this entity they bring it back into the facility for testing. Bringing in an animal for testing, they notice the quick change in behavior and skin formation. Noticing how out of hand the situation could get if spread to the facility as it is all walled in, they think of a plan. An AI, per se. Warden, the AI in charge of restoring the facility. Given Warden’s access to the location of terminals, doors, and reactor rooms throughout the facility, they set it up for complete access over the facility in a doomsday situation on the facility. They also set up a system of HSUs and Cortex Interface injections for Warden to take control of humans they will name prisoners. One day, while testing, personnel goes into the room with a broken equipment piece. He doesn't notice it as the side effects don’t take place right away, but he has become infected. Moving his way through the facility, more and more get infected. It’s enough to release the infection through the ventilation systems. A few hours go by and people are becoming more and more aggressive. They have painful rashes, cysts, and swelling
They recognize this as similar traits to the animal they had been testing on. Well, oh, start doomsday sequence now. Setting their plan into motion, groups of personnel are sent through to grounds we will call prisoner storage units. The facility down below is becoming completely overrun at this point. These chosen prisoners are then injected with the Cortex Interface, which not only slows down the process but properly turns them into the role of "prisoner". Night after night Warden sends out objectives to reclaim the facility. It will stop at nothing to complete its given task. And, night after night, people are sent down and are turned into strange beings known as sleepers. A certain group one night is sent out, they are a bit different compared to others. One known as Bishop who seems to have intense knowledge of the facilities’ current status.
Heres my theory that I just copy and paste anytime needed, lol, you guys can use it if u want
normal ermine
We have a pretty good idea to how the infection occurred. The question is figuring out what is the infection? I’m leaning more towards a parasitic worm that causes these mutations; repurposing any unnecessary organs into unique appendages. Those that survive the mutation process result in sleepers. Those that don’t survive, what happens to them? There are corpses that are fully intact and some only have a head that remains. So do the sleepers eat these corpses or do they recycle them into the huge biomass that we see above?
glacial pier
At the beginning of C2 is also says DON'T look up. I assume this is what they refer to.
frail sand
Ye
And for Gears’ bit, unless the Strikers have developed massive teeth for other than tearing thru flesh, then I think you kinda got yourself a rhetorical question
drowsy furnace
does any of that whole thing explain the gas masks that the prisoners wear?
normal ermine
The gas masks are most likely for precaution in case it is air borne.
main adder
if it were simply precaution they'd probably cover them from head to toe in full-cover gear, as opposed to a lot of the bare skin most of them show
frail sand
Poor/no ventilation = build up of harmful particulates, making it pretty much lethal to breath in the environment
Each room has been sealed off from each other, and most if not all the systems within the facility have been offline, making the immediate environments harmful for breathing
plus it’s several hundred meters/feet underground
whichever unit of measurement ye prefer
native gate
Gasmasks are for underground toxins like damp gas
frail sand
basically
Also, if our characters we play as were people that Santonian or the Warden considered valuable assets, then we would probably be given full protective gear
But instead, only a gas mask and repurposed mining tools for weapons, which is essentially the bare minimum to survive
main adder
has it been extrapolated yet whether or not the large lumpy growths are cancerous in nature?
glad crown
On who?
frail sand
On the infected
main adder
On and inside all the sleepers
frail sand
It doesn’t seem cancerous
It’s more like the it’s repurposed and put the reproductive system into overdrive
So when we burst the infected open, it releases an airborne strain so that people in the immediate vicinity without sufficient protection become infected
main adder
hmmm
frail sand
Bc it seems like the infected have mutated to give themselves either the best chance at infected humans, or killing humans
if they had eyes that is
normal ermine
You have to wonder how do they see?
frail sand
Their heart
fresh juniper
I spy an AJ.
frail sand
I remember someone else saying that it’s possible that the infecteds’ metabolism is slowed, which is why they sleep
fresh juniper
Did anyone come up with an explanation as to what actually happened in that hellhole? Something had to burst out of there, right? Or was it just an explosion?
frail sand
I believe someone came up with how the infection spread in the facility, but not that part
fresh juniper
Awwww
frail sand
We have yet to come up with something to explain why the metal bars have bent upwards
normal ermine
Yeah they have a level of hibernation that slows their metabolism
main adder
falling back on the whole unbreathable environment for plain jane humans, do we know if they have a functioning respiratory system? If I recall they're referred to as breathing during both their alert and standby states
frail sand
Are they?
main adder
from the text and dialogue lines, yeah
even though it's obvious they have one helluva circulatory system
frail sand
Hmmm
normal ermine
If they have a beating heart then there should be a respiratory system.
frail sand
Considering the amount of mutation present on and in the infected, it’s possible that they could’ve just simply found a way to filter out the particulates/toxins before it harms any vital systems
main adder
true
Sadly I lack the knowledge, does metabolic rate affect cell generation? Or at least be impactful enough for them to simply regenerate harmed tissue
frail sand
Ok, so if you know about Warhammer 40k, then you should know about the Tyranids
Think of it like that, except being unable to repurpose the biomass of your fallen soldiers
main adder
An interesting comparison, long live the Imperium
it does seem like the threat would be unbelievably more terrifying if they could just melt down whatever was lost and then reuse it
granted this might be a reason for repeatable missions later on in development
frail sand
That seems quite likely
But for the moment, the threat is contained, due to the nature of entering the facility
i think
main adder
still interesting to think about what the hell made the giant hole in the first place, it doesn't appear to be the work of a drill
but
frail sand
something bigger could be down there
main adder
my favorite
main adder
ye
frail sand
As evident by the relatively big and fleshy ceilings in some areas deeper within the facility, it’s not too far-fetched to assume there’s something else in the deepest recesses of the facility
main adder
turns out all of the south-western north american continent is deeply embedded with some kind of fungal organism
👀
frail sand
But appearance-wise tho, it still doesn’t seem fungal
main adder
I would like to agree, but it almost acts like a fungus, perhaps space fungus
frail sand
Pretty sure fungal infections can’t mutate like how parasites and viruses can
main adder
maybe the fungi itself, but there's the possibility of it simply mutating the hosts to suit their needs
if the origin is alien in nature, most of these theories will probably just be thrown out the window due to us not being able to fully compare it to our own terrestrial experience or observation
Which would kind of suck since it's an easy out for explaining why x does y
frail sand
Yeah
But it would still have to abide by some laws of biology, in terms of how it does what it does
normal ermine
What about these creatures having a hive mind intelligence?
frail sand
Yeah, it’s prevalent in the fact that they seem quite co-ordinated for an infection like this
normal ermine
Outside of gameplay, they seem to e well coordinated for mindless monsters.
When I bring up the hive mind I can’t help but think about the Flood.
main adder
so far it has similar behavior to what we can interact with here, it asserts itself onto a host body, alters it to a still humanoid shape but beyond former recognition and apparently ||can turn invisible or grow completely different materials on their body||
the latter half of that sentence is where it starts going out the window for basic laws, at least so far
frail sand
Ye, and I’m still trying to find a way to explain Shadows xD
normal ermine
I could find a reference from the SCP log to help explain.
slim mason
Ive a question
frail sand
All I can actually think of/what I found is that either they can create metamaterials from their body, or it’s literally just alien stuff
slim mason
I read a bit up top regarding this place being an excavation site with miners, guards, cooks etcs... but all these mutants have no clothes or uniform
main adder
Be interesting to find out they can actually affix minerals or similar elements to their bodies, incorporating it much like the Tyranids
slim mason
So... what happened to all the clothes?
frail sand
They got torn off...
When ye look at some of the dead bodies around the facility, their clothes are partially torn
main adder
If I'm not mistaken, it's one of two explanations
either they liquefied in their suits and grew back into their new forms as sleepers/etc, or they simply outgrew them
ie; rip and tear
normal ermine
When I get back to my pc I can send pics of these corpses.
slim mason
Which level does one sees them? Unless im not far enough into the rundown
Sure thank you
slim mason
:o
normal ermine
They especially abundant in C2
main adder
yeah, you'll see people in what look to be suits fitted for a laboratory or handling hazardous materials, some are nothing but pools of gore, others bloated and look like they're ready to pop
slim mason
Eee....
main adder
agreed
slim mason
Would be disgusting if we can actually stepped on them and it pops... and it attracts more of them.
@-@
main adder
I'd throw that into suggestions if it hasn't already been recommended
player gets too curious or careless and accidentally rings the dinner bell
main adder
neither would the person covered in viscera
either way, yeah, look for them corpses, a bunch remain rather inspiring as to how they ended up in their current state
slim mason
Aye aye!
slim mason
@normal ermine thank you... and wow it is gory
Especially the second one
Makes me wonder whats the story with that
Actually it looked kinda like the pieces of head of the first pic.
normal ermine
The first pic is a failed mutation process that was almost complete. The other two looks like the corpses were picked off which makes me wonder what happened.
Especially the third picture. The clothes look to be completely intact and only the head remains.
atomic tree
What about the ||piles of bodies|| ? 😛
steady heart
the previous expeditions maybe?
fleet lion
previous expeditions or yet to decomposed remains of the original employees
stone vine
and most of the sleepers appear to be male, except the small amount of shooters and scouts
lilac island
well it is a mining facility
stone vine
yeah that would probably mean more males
but what about the females
what would they do if they werent assigned a mining job?
stable urchin
make the food
stone vine
lol
stone vine
yeah its most like a research facility covered up as a mine
that way no government inspection
nothing to be suspicious of
stable urchin
well
lilac island
looks humanoid
stable urchin
It contains something inside it too
stone vine
yes
lilac island
not enough??
stone vine
i think people relealised
what was going on
and stored themselves at hsu as dna for a cure
stone vine
hold on im going to play through A1 and take a better look
also wtf is that thing in the startup
doesnt look like a sleeper
looks like
lol
like literally that
lilac island
he thicc
stable urchin
ye
vernal tundra
Idk the whole seems like something came up maybe they were mining to hell
and that shit broke loose
stable urchin
I don't think hell.
stone vine
Look in that hsu capsule is a human
And also when we drop the things we drop in are the HSU
Which look like the ones in A1
So it's safe to say there are humans in there
earnest prairie
are we clones?
we gather dna samples from hsu's
ik some are used to bypass security
but the dna samples could be used for cloneing?
which would explain why after each mission our memory is wiped
mint canopy
maybe the reason for that @glad falcon is because that was the last known location of said person?
glad falcon
i mean we start each run in an HSU
mint canopy
warden would probably want any info left before the place went to shit
glad falcon
and we take dna samples
normal ermine
I have reason to believe that with each run we are different prisoners every time. The cortex interface that is injected is either the Warden looking through our eyes or the prisoners are simply surrogates.
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stone vine
Bro look at the pics I sent before
We know that each hsu is a dna sample
And when we drop down we start in an hsu pod
So these could very well contain actual people who are uninfected
:][
What if prisoners are just stored in HSUs after every mission and that's why we dont fully develop into a sleeper
Because the HSU stops that
native plaza
Yeah, that's what I think. I think we're the same 4 guys, not clones, but you cant be sure. Though the characters voices are always the same.
Also the appearance. As for the HSU stopping infection or whatever, I think that's accurate. During the startup you can see we are infected, when the warden or the HSU system is being overriden (depending on which theory you subscribe)
native plaza
And I think that's why we are "prisoners". To contain the infection/whatever it is.
stone vine
Yeah restore the facility and contain the infection from the outside world
native plaza
I don't think the objective is to restore the facility at all.
stone vine
Well the reactors
native plaza
The one common thread on all the missions is that they are necessary to go to the lower levels.
stone vine
There otherwise would be no point for them
native plaza
In D1 the goal is to shut down the reactor, for example.
stone vine
And c1 to start it up
I think we are trying to restore the facility by taking out the sleepers
Is what I mean
native plaza
Since the facility is located in the Chicxulub crater, and the hole we descend down has bent structural elements facing up along the blown edges, I personally believe a bunker buster missile was deployed to provide as easy access as possible to the depths of the facility.
stone vine
Yeah thatd be a quick way to gain access
native plaza
I think the facility found something in the asteroid, and was built because of it. It went wrong, and something is spreading (possibly contained to the facility for now)
stone vine
And that's how the sleepers crawl outta there
Because its linked to the other leveld
Levels
native plaza
So we need to get all the way down to the more restricted levels to get a sample or somesuch, in order to understand what is happening or to contain it, make a vaccine, etc.
Aye.
That's just my theory, though.
stone vine
Yes that's what I think too
I think the HSUs are for that too
Like pure human DNA for the cure
native plaza
An interesting question, perhaps the epic one, is why are we sending down a rag-tag fireteam, as opposed to specialized military personnel.
stone vine
Because maybe they dont want the gov involved
native plaza
Maybe. On one hand, it might be to avoid a PR shitshow, keeping everything under wraps.
native plaza
On the other, maybe the contagion has spread to the surface and we are being sent down because there is noone else
stone vine
It's obvious they want more than a cure back
Maybe
Either that or theres something really important down there
Otherwise why wouldnt they just nuke it and say job done
native plaza
Yup
native plaza
Or just youknow, close it off in a vault, not unlike chernobyl.
native plaza
Aye.
The question is, is it because of money, or because otherwise everyone's as good as dead?
native plaza
Aye, that boils down the two main theories I've heard.
native plaza
Im fine with either, but the whole vibe I get from it is that perhaps the infection agent became aerosolised or somesuch, and the thing is spreading above the facility, beyong containment, and the only way to stop it is to get a sample of some sort, like you mentioned.
stone vine
Yeah
I think so too
They dont want it spreading
There must be a clue to that somewhere in the rundown
native plaza
On the other hand, there's some cold ruthlessness to the thought that there's a bunch of people fighting for their life in that pit, and 10 kms down the road someone is sitting in an airconditioned venue, using a credit card to buy a starbucks coffee
stone vine
Yup
There might be people just sitting at the bottom
Probs highly trusted officials
If there are even people down there
Have we tried looking at the clothes on every dead corpse
Try find numbers, or name badges
That could help
Wow yep theres a uniform
A lot of the dead corpses are wearing the same thing
native plaza
Hmmmmm...
It'd be super awesome if there was someone alive down there not stuck in a HSU, but I doubt it.
stone vine
Honestly instead of people I hope it's a creature
Like something horrifying
Taht cant get out at any costs
That's be cool
native plaza
If I had to guess.
I would say that we need a sample from the original infection host to have the purest possible strain of the mutation.
Which is bound to be something disgusting. Though on the other hand, it might just be a deeeeep lab in the epicenter of it all, with the most deformed creatures guarding it, because they have been the most exposed.
stone vine
yeah
because we can assume it started deeeep down
because we only start seeing the nest in c2
if it started up top it would already be in the outside world
native plaza
Aye.
stone vine
haha i love the Aye
native plaza
"Dont look up", amirite?
native plaza
Gross stuff on ceiling. Look back down, push it away from your mind, dont look up again.
stone vine
yup the nest isnt the most flattering sight to say the least
oh yeah and notice how chargers are only next to the nest\
we can def assume the closer to a breeding ground the stronger
higher mutation levels
native plaza
Yeah, I agree 100%. Which makes sense for a lore-valid reason for the increase in difficulty the deeper you go.
stone vine
yes
and under d1 description it says low survival rate
we can assume because of shadows
the difficulty spikes
native plaza
Yea
Though its also interesting that the warden essentially knows there's a "low survival rate"
stone vine
yeah... it seems to know a lot, like it was designed for that exact situation
they probably knew exactly what they were doing
and what the outcome could be
native plaza
Hmm..
Question. In the startup sequence, do you think the warden is being overriden to redeploy us, or that the warden is doing it's thing, overriding the HSU system to redeploy us?
stone vine
thats a confusing question
here
sending it rn
recorded the startup for the purpose of being able to pause
sorry for the mic noises, forgot to mute
native plaza
ah, no worries.
stone vine
there
native plaza
That's exactly what I meant.
stone vine
wait the guys in the hsu in the startup
so weve confirmed that
its reading our vitals and codes
are we chipped?
native plaza
Aye, then you get mem errors, which is probably a software injection of some kind, followed by "manual override detected".
native plaza
Hmm.. I don't think so, even though I did initially, because the characters do talk down among themselves.
So I do think we're in control of our bodies.
native plaza
Just not our circunstances.
native plaza
Some people think that the warden is being hacked.
native plaza
But I personally subscribe to the theory that the warden is doing the hacking.
native plaza
The HSU unit is like "this guy is infected, I'll keep him in here until this mess is sorted and his vitals are clear"
stone vine
yup
native plaza
And the warden swoops in "nope, need this guy to do some stuff"
stone vine
yeah wardens wanting to do whatever it takes to complete its objectives
even if it means destroying a person down to nothing
its got no emotion just needs to get shit done
native plaza
Yeah, that's what I think.
And I think the Warden is the keeper of the infection, basically.
stone vine
like keeping it contained
native plaza
I think it may be an AI program just tasked with dealing with this shit.
native plaza
Tho, like I mentioned, I think it was tasked to deal with it, or to assist in dealing with it. But topside everything got so messed up, that now the Warden is by itself trying to sort it out, and everyone else either bailed, got infected or died.
native plaza
Yeah, sure. Depending on how long it is, I might not read it all now, but go ahead
stone vine
i think it new its objective long before shit hit the fan
So, Chicxulub, the meteor that took out the dinosaurs, has crashed into the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico. The time is 66 million years from today, long before humans would ever walk the Earth. A small entity(unknown) comes across a weird growth on the meteor. This entity mutates with the new growth forming what we know is turning people infected. Fast forward about 66 million years to some years before the collapse of the facility. A group of scientists discover this meteor and decide to start construction underneath to build a research facility. Upon building these facilities they do not know of the new life form they will be soon to discover. Upon the facility opening for research years later, the small group of scientists has grown to a many hundred, calling themselves Santonian Industries. They start to properly research through and discover the small mutated entity. Upon finding this entity they bring it back into the facility for testing. Bringing in an animal for testing, they notice the quick change in behavior and skin formation. Noticing how out of hand the situation could get if spread to the facility as it is all walled in, they think of a plan. An AI, per se. Warden, the AI in charge of restoring the facility. Given Warden’s access to the location of terminals, doors, and reactor rooms throughout the facility, they set it up for complete access over the facility in a doomsday situation on the facility. They also set up a system of HSUs and Cortex Interface injections for Warden to take control of humans they will name prisoners. One day, while testing, personnel goes into the room with a broken equipment piece. He doesn't notice it as the side effects don’t take place right away, but he has become infected. Moving his way through the facility, more and more get infected. It’s enough to release the infection through the ventilation systems. A few hours go by and people are becoming more and more aggressive. They have painful rashes, cysts, and swelling.
They recognize this as similar traits to the animal they had been testing on. Well, oh, start doomsday sequence now. Setting their plan into motion, groups of personnel are sent through to grounds we will call prisoner storage units. The facility down below is becoming completely overrun at this point. These chosen prisoners are then injected with the Cortex Interface, which not only slows down the process but properly turns them into the role of "prisoner". Night after night Warden sends out objectives to reclaim the facility. It will stop at nothing to complete its given task. And, night after night, people are sent down and are turned into strange beings known as sleepers. A certain group one night is sent out, they are a bit different compared to others. One known as Bishop who seems to have intense knowledge of the facilities’ current status.
native plaza
Hmm.
That's one point of view. I agree with the general premise in a way, but Im reluctant to go into such specifics as a broken piece of equipment.
stone vine
its just an example like a scenario
i dont know how it actually spread so i just put something rando in there
These four “prisoners”, Hackett, Bishop, Dauda, and Woods are contained in HSU. HSU stores human bodies to keep infection from completely taking over. Warden won’t allow them to fully recover. Hacking into the HSU pods and overriding the retirement sequence. Warden just wants to get shit done and will stop at absolutely nothing.(just typed this up as another bit to my theory)
native plaza
I do think that there was something in the meteor. Perhaps just like bacteria. And I do agree that the facility is probably a lab built around it to research it in secrecy, probably because it had value, perhaps they thought it could be used for medical purposes, who knows.
stone vine
yeah i think it was bacteria that infected osmething on earth
like an already known parasite
that just touched something and started mutatinjg
native plaza
Hm.
native plaza
I think at that point it was something unknown. Hence why a whole facility was built to study it in secret.
Well, though it might not be a secret at all, actually.
stone vine
yeah like is said they mightve known exactly the shit they were getting into
native plaza
Ehh, I wouldn't go so far.
The facility looks like it's been abandoned and sitting there for a long time.
tribal flax
always a possible
stone vine
haha
native plaza
Also, there are HSUs down there as well.
Which sort of gives me the feeling that the whole thing had to be closed up in a hurry.
stone vine
thats what i think too
it was emergency
they needed a cure and just hoped warden would know what to do
just hoped warden would fix it
stone vine
otherwise why would they already have doors to reactors with wardens symbol ont hem
what do you think
im all open to new ideas
native plaza
I think that the warden was put in place as the guardian of the facility while it was in operation
stone vine
could be yeah
native plaza
I don't, however, believe that they put the warden in order to solve this shit. I think that it just went sideways fast, people had to GTFO, and left the warden hanging.
native plaza
And, one thing that concerns me is that in the startup, it does say "manual" override detected.
native plaza
From that point forward, you have override:redeploy, but Im guessing that someone is taking control of the station's security system, the warden, to give it the ability to fix this mess.
native plaza
Or ultimately, calling the shots behind the warden.
native plaza
Though the fact that it's mem errors suggest the warden is being exploited.
Yeah. I think that's more likely.
native plaza
Well, it's just a thought, but yeah, 'tis what I think.
native plaza
I started here in gtfo lore with the theory of clones and AI, now Im at this point, after talking here a few times the past days.
tribal flax
^
stone vine
and ur like the first person im fully agreeing with
and weve been talking less than an hr
native plaza
Ahaha, yeah.
tribal flax
i like that bacteria theory tbh
stone vine
yeah
native plaza
Take it easy
tribal flax
sleep well
stone vine
imma go take a break
native plaza
Thanks, nite
stone vine
🙂
lilac island
@tribal flax pretty sure all the split face and giant tube shooting ones are male and everything else is female
tribal flax
yeah
i was thinking what if its like alien face huggers but for females only, then i realized the split face are males
i have spent to long in b2 lmao
stone vine
Strikers, shadows, chargers, and big strikers are male
Shooters, big shooters, and scouts are female
Most are male
And feel u on the b2 thing, I spent forever on b2
tribal flax
well
can always just rush to the first terminal, find out what and where
if its bad charge into a room
if its good
then play lol
frail sand
btw, if it was bacteria, the supposed radiation from the unmaintained nuclear reactors would kill the bacteria.
Plus, there would be a lot more bony corpses around, rather than mutilated/partially mutated corpses
summer gale
btw, if it was bacteria, the supposed radiation from the unmaintained nuclear reactors would kill the bacteria.
Plus, there would be a lot more bony corpses around, rather than mutilated/partially mutated corpses
not quite
there's bacteria that are resilient to radiation damage
in fact, one of the most radiantion resilient being we know of is a type of bacteria
and there's even bacteria who specialized in eating radiation waste
to the point where not even nuclear dumps are dangerous at all to them
so I doubt a unmaintaned reactor would
since it has little background radiation going on
it's not like they put a core in it and prompty forgot about it and evacuated / died
atomic tree
Hellu Lore-nerds!
wide pewter
idk if this has been said but does anyone else get The Red Queen vibes from the warden?
wide pewter
nah i dont think it has a physical form
like how jarvis didnt have a physical form, Warden is just a super AI
stone vine
we thinks its actually OS
with an overseer
because in the startup it says manual override
meaning warden is being manual overriden to keep releasing the prisoners against the HSU
which is why we keep getting redeployed instead of retiring in HSU
wide pewter
id still like to know how infection doesnt spread to us
summer gale
interaction
we wear masks and etc
I assume canon wise a bite or a wound or the air is enough for it to spread
it's also worth nothing that we already are infected
wide pewter
we are?
hasnt played the game yet, getting it friday, been reading alot of discussed lore here
summer gale
yup
at the end of each mission there's a infection stat
gameplay wise, it's how many times you've been downed
lilac island
ooh
summer gale
but if you consider it canon , it never goes down below low levels of infection
it's low, medium and high iirc
lilac island
but whats NRV probe state?
lilac island
yeah
atomic tree
I just read it as a wordplay of "Nerve"
stone vine
notice the huge fans in each level
easily spread through the air
if it is an airborne virus
atomic tree
Well, a deep underground complex needs ventilation
atomic tree
And why should it be airborn if it reproduce by eggs
summer gale
it's definitely 99% chance of beign airbourne
atomic tree
I would say there is 99% chance of it not being airborn
stone vine
assuming someone had small physical interaction with the thing and it all went to shit from there
summer gale
why wear masks then
stone vine
spread anyway
summer gale
specially airtight masks
atomic tree
@summer gale you wanna be sure you don't gonna get knocked dead by a gas pocket
stone vine
true aswell
summer gale
could be
lilac island
It's possible the characters don't actually know how it's spread, and wear masks even if it's not spread through air
summer gale
to me that thing has to be fungal, so the spread by definition has to be mostly airborne
atomic tree
Also why wear mask but not cover head/arms if airborne?
summer gale
but I guess we'll find out
stone vine
right right
i mean but why have skin exposed at all
they are gonna get infected no matter what at that point lol
summer gale
if it's airborne you only need to cover your respiratory system
atomic tree
Also not fungal, none of the enemies have fungus like symptoms
stone vine
and we can see that at the end of each lvl
summer gale
except how they all look ?
summer gale
very clearly based on TLoU honestly
summer gale
if it was bacterial or viral, they would cover head to toes, you could get infected from a single scratch in your head
possibly infected *
so we rule that out
stone vine
well yeah
point taken
maybe they just dont like gloves
😐
or they just under 1 iq
summer gale
now tell me, there's mostly only one way everyone in that place, the 4 players included
could very fast get infected
by whatever it is
stone vine
yes continue
summer gale
it has to be by air, it could be something airborne like a parasite or whatever we can think of
but the main way of spreading has to be airborne
stone vine
yes i think so too\
it points straight to airborne
underground facility
huge vents
lots of people
atomic tree
stone vine
O-O
atomic tree
It is confirmed to be a parasite
summer gale
there's almost no other feasible way everyone can get infected if it's not airborne
atomic tree
what is every zombie movie ever
Well, if things went to shit and the top sealed and people was trapped.
stone vine
they arent zombies though, they are geralds
summer gale
sincce when do you transmit parasites though bites
it's either usually contaminated water
or touch
atomic tree
Also you don't know if early symptoms of the parasite is easily spotted.
atomic tree
Like with scabies, you only notice them when it is too late.
stone vine
because theres an infection in an airtight underground facility
and symptoms dont show for hrs
wide pewter
what if
stone vine
so yeah
wide pewter
they knock u unconsious
stone vine
bruh
wide pewter
and they wear masks so they dont stuff down their throat
some alien facehugger shit bruh
stone vine
homie just confused the whole squad
atomic tree
So shooters, I theories they shoot out their eggs as a more aggressive way
stone vine
yes me too
i think they eat them and shoot them like fireballs
pew pew
well not eat, but u get the idea
summer gale
You have to consume parasites for they to infect you, or get them in an open wound, which again would get us being covered head to toes
stone vine
well
summer gale
maybe the parasite eggs are a symtom , not the cause
wide pewter
or maybe they where masks to keep viscera out
stone vine
well i mean
wide pewter
like can u imagine trying to fight hordes with just a helmet
stone vine
yall dont wanna breath in parasites do you
summer gale
they're airtight though, they have tubes which go to what I assume is a oxygen tank
you don't do that if you only wanan filter dust
stone vine
cool
atomic tree
Lice? Ticks? Scabies they latch on to their host externally
stone vine
plus the vents dont even work
remember that 5 hr tick convo i had
and no one believed ne
me
🙂
fun times
summer gale
got me thinking, it's fesible to have a parasitical contamination if it's waterborne though
wide pewter
🤔 still hoping for zombie raptors 😏
summer gale
what if they are transmited by consuming tainted water
wide pewter
i mean it is deep underground
summer gale
the crater is just outside the open ocean, with tons of waterbeds everywhere around it
stone vine
i just say maybe to everything ngl
wide pewter
they couldve used a water well from within the meteorcrater
atomic tree
God darn it, don't drink the tomb water!
wide pewter
if its humid enough
stone vine
i want to though dad
wide pewter
you can breathe the water
wide pewter
you guys know dead space 1?
stone vine
lol no im too uncultured
summer gale
a place like that must have a tank of water , if it got contaminated, would explain why everyone that works there is to
wide pewter
basically there was a huge biomass meshy monster in the oxygen plant sector
stone vine
yeah
summer gale
I have proven my case for nuclear powered facility , I'll leave the means of infection up to you guys ahhahaha
stone vine
well
summer gale
but I still think it has to have something to do with air
atomic tree
Also I am pretty sure the end of mission stats is weight on these factors:
Health: Based on current health when ending the level
Infection: Based on total damage taken during the level.
Mental Status: Amount of friendly fire done.
stone vine
wait
lilac island
BUT WHATS NRV PROBE
summer gale
it's probably what they use ot probe those mental stats from you
to check your vitals
atomic tree
Nerve Probe? What you plug in to get access to the Cortex Interface?
summer gale
Nerve Probe? What you plug in to get access to the Cortex Interface?
exactly
it's probably just the way the Warden has to check for vitals
and redeployment
summer gale
see how you're infected from the get go
stone vine
yeah cryp is right
its a reaction to something
yeah wtf is it
O-O
Net realizable value
summer gale
also Nuclear Reaction
stone vine
No
I dont think so
It's the value of something or someone
What they are worth
But the prob part?
Probe
Net realizable value examination
Is what the whole thing is together
That doesnt make sensw
Sense
orchid basin
So me and a friend had been discussing this today, and he knows nothing never played the game nothing. Just from what I told him. But he said that it couldn't have been a disease or anything because it seemed to have affected the outward appearance. So yes it could be an infection that's able to be transferred over to other, I guess things, but diseases and bacteria would eat you from the inside out. This one seemed to eat their outside AND their inside. Considering even when you cut off their heads they're still able to walk around have a conscious ability to control their movement, theres something else in the body that's controlling it. Now considering this facility is where the meteor struck the earth has anyone thought the idea of an alien disease kind of like the one in subnautica? Something that ate away at your skin and made you sprout spores, while inadvertently adjusting your insides and creating something completely new.
Now another thing - the IDs that we look for (idk if somebody thought about this) but are they about subjects who were slowly shown the virus or whatever it is or the scientists that would have worked there? If they're the IDs of the scientists, why would you look for them? Probably because you want to see if they had found anything towards a cure. If it's the people that had been affected, what's the purpose of finding them? What meaning do they have? That's something I cant figure out why the warden wouldnt want.
orchid basin
We're uni students xd
stone vine
what u majoring in
stone vine
oh wow
wish yall luck
i have a friend whos thinking about doing game design tii
too
also found this pic of the "abyss"
orchid basin
Then, when we look at where we spawn on each map, if you look behind you it looks like the hole goes upwards. This means something had to have come from the bottom out. Could this have been an escape pod or something larger that went upwards to the "surface"? Could the virus or whatever it is have moved upwards and now the Warden has his own facility which he is using to send us to find something about something?
manic remnant
could have been a explosion that went upwards
orchid basin
No an explosion wouldnt be completely even
stone vine
polar is right
it couldve been a drill
?
easiest way to access the levels
would explain the risings ground and collapsed entrances
manic remnant
someone said earlier i saw that said it could have been a bunker buster bomb
orchid basin
Another thing I was thinking about - theres glowsticks and fog repellents in the lockers there right? Kind of like they had known that we were going down to find stuff and gave us stuff to be prepared.
Nah it couldnt be
A bomb cant be that even
stone vine
me and bishop were talking about that
manic remnant
yeah now that you said that earlier it makes no sense
orchid basin
If you look they're all the same size hole
orchid basin
And why would they blow something up if they know something like this virus or whatever is there?
stone vine
i think they new what they were doing with the entity and what could happen
orchid basin
Also another thing my friend pointed out - if you look at any of the bodies on the ground they arent decomposed at all. Which means we're going in somewhat recent to the disaster.
stone vine
yeah
manic remnant
yeah i have seen that
stone vine
figured that much
orchid basin
Which means someone anticipated it
stone vine
yeah
manic remnant
yeah
stone vine
they def are keeping in something important
orchid basin
Keep something in the facility?
stone vine
more important than sleepers
orchid basin
I dont think so
orchid basin
If you think about it
stone vine
well if they didnt give a shit they wouldve bombed the place job well done
they obv want something or to stop something
manic remnant
well i can see they want a cure why they wouldn't do it
orchid basin
Why would you send in people to find stuff knowing if they searched the right place they would find something you wouldnt want them to find
manic remnant
or something
orchid basin
They want something
stone vine
they want it back
stone vine
yeah
manic remnant
because the warden controls where they go
orchid basin
Or a specific object
stone vine
well i dont think warden does
because if you look at the intro it says manual override
manic remnant
its that or someone is overiding the warden
manic remnant
that could be the warden also just manuel overriding your controls and opening the doors
stone vine
no, that isnt quite the case
manic remnant
doesn't fully mean hes being override
orchid basin
But the warden is also helping you out when you get the hsu
stone vine
warden has full access to HSU
orchid basin
And the ids
stone vine
it doesnt need to override
manic remnant
^
manic remnant
ill check again
orchid basin
A manual override of what? Your vitals? Your control? What if the characters we play are AIs and they're manually overriding the characters
manic remnant
doing a double check
stone vine
ill show u
manic remnant
i dont think its that far as the ais
orchid basin
Because when you die it says the cortex signals are lost
Which means they're monitoring you entirely
stone vine
manic remnant
i think its a neurolink
manic remnant
i think hes allready been established
orchid basin
But then that brings up why would someone else override it when you're still being evacuated by the warden?
stone vine
plus
manic remnant
he just gets turned on at certain times
orchid basin
Considering it still says you're being evacuated by him then you know the warden knows
orchid basin
So what if you're neuro linked to something else then?