did someone find anything worthwhile on them?
#gtfo-lore
stone vine
Yes, underneath I think
I have a rundown of my theory earlier from yestarday, but my opinion of the end has changed
dreamy rose
so the whole alien parasite has some potential
atomic tree
Well yeah, but I don't think a meteor that had the size and destructive force to eradicate the dinosaurs would have much "alien" left on it 😛
dreamy rose
yeah...fair point
atomic tree
I also still have a dream of dinosaur host! But alas 😛
atomic tree
But also be extremely silly! 😄
dreamy rose
anyone noticed the whole "ERR03: Unauthorized system override detected"
?
so something is up with the warden
im telling you xD
atomic tree
That means it is hacked, more so confirms that it ain't an AI running the show
atomic tree
I think that would be weird plottwist, but possible
dreamy rose
the whole, bio weapon theory has some foundation in this
someone hacking the Warden system to get acess to the facility
and retrieve stuff
so whats up with the hydrostasis pods?
atomic tree
Dunno, gonna store you humans somehow
dreamy rose
u can find multiple ones in the terminal
wonder why they are stored in there
inside the facility
atomic tree
Well, if they found a parasite, I guess they need some pets to try it out on.
Also I guess it is easier to put people into stasis rather than giving them living quarters and needs.
acoustic anvil
is there a link to the lore?
like a quick rundown? my friends want it for immmmeeerrrsion
arctic hinge
The lore we know is literally like 2 sentences
acoustic anvil
i was going back and reading some other peoples ideas
stone vine
Yeah theres a lot of rlly good theories people came up with
hasty topaz
I really want the warden to not be bad. That would be a nice unexpected change of pace but some of y’all have got really good cases
stone vine
I think they arent bad
It would be rlly weird if they were bad
Do you guys notice how strikers take on a more male appearance and shooters take on a female appearance, like body shape
Maybe the reason the sleepers are different have to do with gender
dreamy rose
Oh damn
discord didnt sscroll
i hate it
@stone vine The Warden abuses living beings, and sacrafices them for its own gain.
And something is hidden behind the warden, warden is just a puppet.
there is a clear sign that someone hacked into the Warden, messed around with it
topaz mulch
no matter how you look at it, using prisoners as suicide troops doesn't strike me as an entity that has the wellbeing of its charges high on its priorities list
dreamy rose
A big question is the origin of us, the prisoners
Inside the Facility you can use the Terminals, and you can find tons, literally tons of these hydro Pods, where Humans are kept in
wouldnt be suprised if we were test subjects, or about to be made into test subjects
Why else would you keep so many Humans in a hidden facility, deep below the surface?
I think, they did experiments on humans down there
The whole bioweapon thing creeps closer and closer
arctic hinge
What makes you think that
dreamy rose
Why would they try to experiment on humans?
With a parasite, as far as the theory goes?
Either to weaponize the parasite
or enhance the human body
summer gale
profit
arctic hinge
Why would they experiment at all, this far we have yet to see any lab equipment at all
dreamy rose
Thats true
fallen cove
My guess is that the complex started as a mining/industrial zone unti the parasite or infection was discovered. My guess is a secret service and researchers transformed the place toa research facility to study and experiment the parasite
dreamy rose
but then tell me why they store so many humans?
summer gale
it's possible the lab tools are deeper down after D1
arctic hinge
Most of them seem to be corporate officers
So maybe it's a sort of emergency failsafe
dreamy rose
Could be
arctic hinge
Catch the parasite, freeze yourself until they find a cure
dreamy rose
i think the stages after d1 will tell us more once its out
summer gale
the complex is maybe separated by segments or levels, some are mining to keep up a front, but depeer down is the real lab ?
dreamy rose
@arctic hinge but that would mean that the facility is not the origin of the parasite
arctic hinge
I think they accidentally stumbled into some sort of subterranean entity
summer gale
it's likely Morf
arctic hinge
That is the source of the contaminate
summer gale
from the meteor crater
arctic hinge
Then things went to shit
fallen cove
The research facility then had a containment breach resulting into what we have now. Then the warden can be either a failsafe, or someone hacked in the complex to find out what happend
dreamy rose
I think the biggest Question is What or who is the warden
summer gale
my money is on a failsafe AI like he said
dreamy rose
So basically, hidden research facillity, everything went downhill, so the warden got into action and is trying to clean everything up, keep everything hidden?
Why are we collecting DNA then`?
arctic hinge
I think the warden is separate from the complex
fallen cove
There is one other thing. The research facility may have had a very deep level where they sent in prisoners to expetiement
summer gale
it tells you on the logs of the missions Shiny
arctic hinge
Not saying it's not ab AI
dreamy rose
Then what is he trying to reach...
fallen cove
Answers
summer gale
Rundown #002 hopefully will give us more insight
dreamy rose
Im gonna bet my money, that we will find some kind of Lab down there
fallen cove
I think the warden is not good or bad. But they want to know as much as we do what the fuck happend
Why else would we be going so deep
arctic hinge
Its possible the contaminate has reached the surface and you're trying to gather info on the entity to find a cure
fallen cove
Its not like were collecting ids to bring to the surface
summer gale
the whole point of A1 through C2 is to power the doors, collect the ID and DNA to open a path further into D1 if you read the mission logs
arctic hinge
Yea
summer gale
so whatever the Warden wants or needs, is way further down
dreamy rose
The fact that the warden got hacked makes it so weird
fallen cove
Im not gonna spoil it but that just made me think... What if that room at the end was meant to give us answers but then there was a firewall that triggered an alarm
What if we were so close to get something, but it was all for nothing
dreamy rose
Im pretty sure the Warden is being used by someone to get something out of there for their own gain
fallen cove
So answers? I dont think theres any money down there
stone vine
@dreamy rose I didnt mean they were good people, I meant trying to restore the facility, not go against it
fallen cove
It cant be minerals. Surely the world isnt that desperste
sage kelp
What’s a monry
dreamy rose
Most likely the origin of the "Infection"
thats down there
atleast something that talks about it
sage kelp
Ah
sage kelp
Ye
sage kelp
We’re gonna find the Doom Marine just lounging in a staff room surrounded by hordes of dead infected
dreamy rose
I bet we can find the Borealis down there ;b
sage kelp
“Yeah I just came down for a vacation ya know, ease off the whole demon killing stuff for a week, these are lightweight don’t ya know!”
dreamy rose
and btw...how can we explain the ranged attacks by some of the enemies?
the projectile ones
sage kelp
The tracking projectiles of white goo?
That seem to do insane amounts of damage for what amounts to a glob a elmers glue?
Maybe it’s like an acid reflux thing?
dreamy rose
cant find an explanation for it
sage kelp
They’ve evolved it as a defensive measure due to their interactions with our firearms
dreamy rose
acid... i dont know
could be
never seen acid with tracking capabilities
but i mean, its a game
sage kelp
They show very basic intelligence so I’d assume they have some ability to adapt their tactics as the situation evolves and they encounter more exploration teams
summer gale
I've talked about it before but what really gets to me is the shadow monster
summer gale
he seems to not fit whatever and whichever viral or fungal infection agent you can think of
dreamy rose
before i knew about the parasite i would have said, due to breathing in spores
summer gale
most monsters have blisters and pus and rotten flesh
it's definitely fungal in nature
dreamy rose
like a hallucination
dreamy rose
cant come up with anything else currently
summer gale
people talk about that it's an adapted species of the monster
but it doesn't really make sense in-game
they bleed too
so they're more of a cloaking mechanism somehow
stone vine
I think shadows have a different form
summer gale
they are, but it doesn't fit the fungal or viral infection theories
summer gale
they're more of a paranormal nature, which again doesn't fit the feel of the game
so far anyway
dreamy rose
who knows whats down there
maybe they triggerd some artifact
and it turns people into these things
while some dead spirits inside the artifact can appear as the shadow guys
far strechted i know
summer gale
I wonder if the devs read these messages and have a chuckle at us
summer gale
but yeah...I tend towards fungal infection , but the shadows don't fit unless they're some sort of hallucination like you said
caused by the infection levels
dreamy rose
fungal and parasite both have their solid foundation
stone vine
I actually think it's a mutated tick
Theres an article about a recently discovered tick from the jurrasic age that has parasitic behaviours
Mutation of some type and you've got something that can mutate other beings
I mean all ticks are parasitic, but this one has stronger tendencies
summer gale
oh that's interesting, got a link ?
stone vine
Yea I do I'm tryna find it again
summer gale
not doubting or anything , just interested
stone vine
Yeah I just found it rlly interesting
Here ya go
These things fed on le dinosaurs
Deinocrotin tick
Known as Dracula tick
Similar to demon, I think so
summer gale
fucking ticks man, been around virtually unchanged for million of years
summer gale
maybe, it is linked to the meteor crater and dinnosaurs
stone vine
Yup, and deinocrotin is very similar to demon
All you need is a mutation and those shits are the actual devil
And If they did do all this, then, yeah
Imma go research ticks now
Female ticks lay eggs in hosts
That makes sense for the eggs on the sleepers
sullen oriole
Imagine how funny it would be if the game was a reference to sunset overdrive
stone vine
This could actually be a fucking tick lol
I-
That would make the dev's even bigger trolls
dreamy rose
The eggs seem a bit big
dreamy rose
Besides that, the prisoners are infected, but show no signs of an infection
dreamy rose
what about tentacle man?
summer gale
ice ?
dreamy rose
was about to say that
dreamy rose
but ice deep below the surfac in mexico?
tidal leaf
now you guys are making me uneasy
summer gale
it's possible since it was a meteor actually
they're usually very very cold
the core
summer gale
it's possible it survived frozen after the impact ?
stone vine
Yes
dreamy rose
a tick that survived outer space inside a meteorite frozen, surviving the crash into the earth, and all the years?
stone vine
No
tidal leaf
its possible that something was unearthed under the impact site
summer gale
not quite. it latched on after the impact
dreamy rose
I mean, it all adds up so far
stone vine
Is
summer gale
reminds me of the whole new Alien plotlines haahha
stone vine
Yuuup
tidal leaf
damn weponized tick
that is fucking horrific
dreamy rose
if this is the case then i wanna know what the devs are smoking
summer gale
small enough to infect a large number of hosts hmm
dreamy rose
Basically we got ticks that can mutate their host, which mutates them in a way to get tentacles, spit weird projectiles and cloak themself
summer gale
I don't know why but I can't shake the feeling of this lab being set somewhere in space, might be the interiors or the DeadSpace feeling it has
but wouldn't surprise me if they pulled a switcheroo
stone vine
Yes they breed several thousand babies
Per egg
It's possible they are using the host to carry the eggs
That then hatch
And make more...
dreamy rose
Shouldnt we be able to see the millions of ticks that are supposed to be down there?
as small as they are
dreamy rose
take your time, i need to wrap my head around another theory
stone vine
Light colors attract ticks
dreamy rose
yeah right, the whole glowing thing...
stone vine
So is it possible they lay in the sleepers
dreamy rose
you said they are bioluminescent?
dreamy rose
thats one of the strongest arguments for the tick theory
a parasite cant cause that...fungus...i could imagine that
stone vine
Also notice all these articles came out in 2017
When the game was just being said to be launching
This could have easily been a refrence
dreamy rose
the plot thickens
dreamy rose
like damn...how did you figure that all out?
summer gale
I think that article is about us using bioluminescense to detect certain proteins no ?
dreamy rose
simon is swedish
summer gale
another cause could honestly be something entirely different. I was thinking radiation
dreamy rose
radiation... how could that create the shadow guys
stone vine
WAIT OMG
tidal leaf
phantoms are nightmarish
stone vine
what if the shadows are fucking ticks
tidal leaf
they are literally sleep paralysis demons incarnate
stone vine
a formation of fucking ticks
tidal leaf
they are not
dreamy rose
the shadows are nano roboters
tidal leaf
they look like sleepers
dreamy rose
case solved
tidal leaf
phantoms are sleepers
summer gale
other games have done weird shadow monster with radiation before. Call of Prypiat comes to mind
stone vine
We gotta hide
dreamy rose
we should ask the devs to implement a flamethrower
tidal leaf
stalker gang rise up
dreamy rose
solves everything
stone vine
Yep
tidal leaf
fucking bloodsuckers
stone vine
Well if ticks like bioluminescence then that's why they dont react to glow sticks
tidal leaf
flamethrower
laughs in napalm
stone vine
Idk about shadows
tidal leaf
they are sleepers
dreamy rose
but why do they only react to our flashlights
tidal leaf
which btw are mutated humans
dreamy rose
i mean yeah, gameplay reasons
tidal leaf
its probably a parasite
summer gale
or the new lights flooding in when you open a door
tidal leaf
like Resident Evil style
dreamy rose
can ticks cause abnormal agression?
stone vine
Haha
tidal leaf
resident evil style parasites
summer gale
they can carry rabies
stone vine
That could be why the sleepers are so dumb lol
stone vine
Yeah this is all adding up
summer gale
they could transmit some disease that increases aggressiveness
stone vine
Yes they do that
dreamy rose
Community 1:0 Devs
stone vine
Lemme get u an article
summer gale
stone vine
Dogs get aggressive from ticks
summer gale
poor rats
tidal leaf
:((
stone vine
Mutation could cause it to have more capability
tidal leaf
i still think its resident evil/rb6 outbreak style parasite
stone vine
Like in that one outbreak game
Yes definitely its zombie tick
The fuccking nightmare of all nightmares
tidal leaf
left 4 dead but shit pants terrifying is my dream game
tidal leaf
zombie alien tick
stone vine
That sounds like a good movie tho
tidal leaf
from the 1950's
tidal leaf
probably a parasite unearthed from underground
tidal leaf
those reactors aren't leaking radiation tho
they are fully functioning
and radiation doesn't mutate like in movies
tidal leaf
it just kills
stone vine
A cluster of ticks
summer gale
this isn't real life though
stone vine
Covered in ticks
tidal leaf
lol
stone vine
:D
summer gale
plus we don't know how radiation affects ticks either, we do know it messes with your genes so small enough doses on ticks could mutate them
tidal leaf
we do know though
stone vine
Hollup
summer gale
that's an imense amount of fatal radiation
tidal leaf
they die the same
summer gale
not a controlled dosage say, for testing purposes
tidal leaf
its just that they can last longer than larger animals
tidal leaf
its definitely, most likely not ticks
as you go into the lower levels ||there is biomass on the ceilings||
summer gale
it is
tidal leaf
Ticks to make nests out of biomass
stone vine
It is ticks
summer gale
another thing that really tells me there's at least some radiation in play that in some levels, you can see these film grain particles
tidal leaf
its more akin to the flood from halo
stone vine
U cant change my mind
It is literally called a demon tick
It has tick in the name
:]
summer gale
there's no setting
and it doesn't happen in every part, A1 has a lot of it iirc
by the red lights
granted, it could be just the light engine being wonky by the devs parts
but then again, between that and demon ticks
tidal leaf
thats most likely it
dreamy rose
radiation causing hallucinations?
tidal leaf
radiation causing hallucinations?
no, i dont think so atleast
dreamy rose
by the point you have that, youre pretty much dead
dreamy rose
that amount of radiation sickness kills you quickly
stone vine
Yes
tidal leaf
^
stone vine
Me too
stone vine
I wanna do the last one
tidal leaf
one of the other
summer gale
there's an infection counter at the end screen of each level, it could either relate to whatever viral/fungal/etc agent you are infected with, or a weird wording for contamination
tidal leaf
i believe, we are already infected
dreamy rose
yes we are
tidal leaf
thats why we are placed in HSU's
summer gale
I think so too
dreamy rose
actually the infection rating i think relates to the amounts you were downed
summer gale
plus according to the intro we aren't fit to be re-deployed, implying we've done that multiple times
tidal leaf
actually the infection rating i think relates to the amounts you were downed
it does in game
its just another way of displaying stats
summer gale
actually the infection rating i think relates to the amounts you were downed
@dreamy rose it's random I think ? I remember seeing a screenshot of 2 people on the same lobby with different stats
tidal leaf
but making it a bit lore friendly
summer gale
so maybe they're not working atm
tidal leaf
yeah that could be it
summer gale
but I agree that's probably just a lore friendly way of showing stats
dreamy rose
i came out of a game where i had 0 downs, stated as None in infection, the other had 2, and the third had 3, both showed as High infection
tidal leaf
also the weapons we use are just repurposed mining equipement
summer gale
and we all wear masks
tidal leaf
except for the ones that eventually we will be able to find in game
summer gale
important to note
tidal leaf
like the M16
dreamy rose
what if the warden just wants to find diamonds...
summer gale
implies that the agent is airbourne the way I see it at least
tidal leaf
african blood diamond simulator
yes
you can see spores iirc
i hope the actual military grade equipment we can find in game will be better then the shit we choose
like the burst M16 they showed
dreamy rose
im pretty sure we dont wear airtight suits
tidal leaf
which shred a group of sleepers
summer gale
I think as you progress you will find gear you get to keep yeah
tidal leaf
its probably through breathing in the disease
stone vine
Hey chrispy
tidal leaf
we have a gas mask so thats it
summer gale
I think the sleepers were buffed in the game in relation to the trailers though
in the trailers they pour in by the dozens
tidal leaf
maybe
summer gale
and they clean them up fast
tidal leaf
i wish they did it like that tho
stone vine
I know the shadows are ticks now, I have a statement
tidal leaf
state your reasoning
summer gale
I like that a single sleeper can fuck your day up, helps keep a steady tension ingame
I think anyway
summer gale
maybe they will further down the complex
tidal leaf
i want overwhelming hordes
stone vine
Ok so, the eggs hatch and the ticks are like oooooh what a yummy looking snack lemme just gobble gobble, and since they are so isolated they all have to share a host, they see the bioluminescence and are attracted to it
tidal leaf
ticks eggs are tiny aren't they?
stone vine
Mutated
tidal leaf
i like the ticks
stone vine
Yes me too
tidal leaf
its weird but interesting
stone vine
That's why I'm so persistent
tidal leaf
most likely not the case but eh
stone vine
I made a discovery for once
An actually good theory
If it ends up being a tick I'm gonna be so proud of myslef
:)
tidal leaf
lmao
stone vine
Lol
I have to do math but I'll be on in an hour or somn
Try find another thing it could be or a new theory
stone vine
Oh and to what potato said earlier about how the ticks couldve survived so long, its tree resin, also known as sap lol. The same thing happened to mosquitoes. So that means it wouldnt need ice to survive which just furthers my theory. Scientists couldve discovered these mutated ticks, taken them out of the sap and tested the blood in the tick on animals. That couldve spread through the ventilation system. Another possibility is that they created clones of the tick and it got pregnant and some of the ticks escaped. That would also make sense how the facility got overrun so quick. Baby ticks are so small you couldnt see them easily. They wouldve just latched onto someone, and boom, easy access into the next room.
And if they put the tick on an animal same thing could happen yadda yadda
dreamy garnet
Damn.
stone vine
Yes
dreamy garnet
I can see why they put a lid on the drilling site
stone vine
My tick knowledge is superior
dreamy garnet
So those things don't come and start hell on humanity
stone vine
Honestly the outside world could already be fucked
dreamy garnet
That's if well
The ticks are wanting to fly around probably 1, 450 meters - 780 meters
up to the lid
dreamy garnet
So then the people on the surface is fine
stone vine
Probably
dreamy garnet
but if your sent down there your screwed
stone vine
Were all already infected
dreamy garnet
if you come back up infected your gonna likely be burned to ashes
stone vine
They send us down infected
dreamy garnet
atleast if you have a high infection rate
stone vine
I think the injection slows the process
And yes if the symptoms start they kill you
If there are no symptoms I think you get ti live
To
Anyways I still gotta finish hw so I'll be back in another 30 mins to continue talking about ticks
Oh yeah
And ticks like warm temps
Above 45 degrees farenheit
As you dig deeper it gets hotter
It's perfect tick temperature
Easy breeding grounds
This article states ticks like warm moist areas
lapis jewel
Prisoners are clones imo
stone vine
Doesnt that sound a little like what was said about sleepers liking those areas
I'm convinced it's a tick
Ok derpy
Theres so many connections
I'm going to make a huge list of everything I said about ticks and put it on a google doc and I'll put it in this chat later
I'm very invested in these ticks
narrow elbow
or through skin penetration
from, say, a bunch of lacerations or other kinds of open wounds
stone vine
But what I dont understand is that, if they dont attack eachother because they're infected, then why do they attack us?
Were infectes
Infectes
real pewter
because we're not infected?
sage kelp
Why the fuck am I reading this at 1am
stone vine
Bruh idk I've been going on about ticks for 4 hrs
sage kelp
Yep goodbye
stone vine
No
Like the insect
Read my earlier message it's too much to explain
I just think that its definitely ticks that is the parasite
Demon tick really is a demooon
Demon tick confirmed
I mean parasite, a tick is a parasite
Ok so the links not working cool
Just search it up, it's in the trailer, it says demon tick
real pewter
anyone know anything about the titan/giants?
narrow elbow
so
you're telling me
that prehistoric ticks
preserved in resin
somehow survived the impact of the Asteroid which was the size of everest
and ended up inside the impact crater left by it
eventually to be dug up by Santonian
and somehow have the ability to not only take over humans as hosts
but also genetically morph them
even though humans didn't even exist during the Santonian period
narrow elbow
narrow elbow
alright, I'm waiting
stone vine
What I'm saying is that the meteor had some other planetly substance that mutated the tick. The tick the got stuck in the resin. Perfect irl research that supports that. With the mutating part of course lol. And the scientists discovered these mutated ticks in the area and built a facility to test them out. Making clones using the dna, they experimented with the ticks, on humans or animals idk. Now when female ticks get pregnant they lay eggs, and they can potentially grow in size. At first they dont realize it, but the eggs hatch and the ticks get out and latch onto other hosts effectively spreading silently. Now by the time they realize it everyone is showing signs of aggression, as ticks can cause aggression. They go into state of panicking and we dont know what happens from their.
Ticks are tiny
Very small
And that explains the eggs on the sleepers
narrow elbow
doesn't really explain why male humans have their head cavity split open and grow teeth, though
narrow elbow
I highly doubt this is going to be the answer you're looking for
narrow elbow
Loss of hearing is not confirmed
stone vine
Bioluminescence
narrow elbow
eyesight seems shot, though, yeah
narrow elbow
and we also have not confirmed they're eggs
they're growths to our knowledge at the moment
stone vine
I'm saying rn tick is the closest thing we have to an answer though
It's even called a demon tick
Why would they call something else a tick
If its not
Oh and I can explain the strikers now
narrow elbow
It's not even
narrow elbow
are we talking about the gameplay trailer or a different one?
narrow elbow
When he's talking
narrow elbow
you also know that "tick" refers to a sound
narrow elbow
and the enemies "tick"
stone vine
Yes
But a tick is a parasite
And they might have a parasite
So it could be either 50/50
narrow elbow
gimme a timestamp for the writing
stone vine
0:24 there are pictures too
I can prove it's the tick parasite
The name Chicxulub is Yucatec Maya language, where ch’ik means "flea" or "tick", and xulub’ means "devil, demon, or horns." This connects the two clues, the coordinates and the words.
People have already figured that out
I'm just furthering the research
:)
stone vine
Yes
But its stated it means tick as I parasite
In
Not clicking noises
I'm sure this is some sort of tick
I mean you dont have to agree but this is what I can give you
narrow elbow
also, the translation provided about the location is "the devil's tail"
narrow elbow
that's the crater's name
narrow elbow
It seems like you're going down a rabbit hole that leads nowhere
stone vine
Ok and that's ok
It's just a theory
Lol
I'm just believing that for noe
Now
I think that's what it is as of right now
narrow elbow
I still highly doubt a tick survived the asteroid impact in any fashion
narrow elbow
the impact jettisoned the volume of the crater into space as molten rock
stone vine
I'm saying they were cloned
There is the dracula tick
A real tick from back then in the jurrasic period
stone vine
Ok here's a source
Take a look
Also lemme tell u about the strikers
Ticks cause lymph node inflammation
narrow elbow
Are you talking about Lyme's disease or actual tick's saliva?
stone vine
Disease, what happens from the tick bite
narrow elbow
I'm aware, just confirming
stone vine
Yes ik
Ok so that can cause tremendous pressure, and what do you get mixed with mutation
Basically fucking plastic surgery gone wrong
Now I think the striker contains another organism inside it too
narrow elbow
Well, doing some more research, you're document provided cites the Darcula's tick being found in Myanmar, nowhere near South America.
stone vine
Yeah, I'm just using it as a would it could be similar too
narrow elbow
and as I was stating, resin melts at 120C
narrow elbow
so resin melts 20 degrees above boiling temp while the chicxulub impact was melting rock
why the hell would you be able to find ANY biological life Not provided by the Asteroid there.
you'd need an extremophile, not a tick
stone vine
Maybe the tick came in later on
narrow elbow
alright, gotta go on break, brb
narrow elbow
Alright back
Got too heated about this and stuck on dislike of the tick argument
For now I still need to check the clone idea
stone vine
Haha
I got too in the moment of defending a tick
Honestly with the info we have now it could literally be anything, so I wouldnt take anything too seriously
I should try finding other things than a tick
narrow elbow
I did learn about that "DEMON TICK" thing too, though
narrow elbow
That will definitely be apart of the explanation, even if it is just describing the clicking
stone vine
Yeah, I think even if it is something way different than a tick, this will be useful in some way
We brought up a lot of good points
narrow elbow
Both for and against
stone vine
Yes
Honestly you have made me rethink a lot of my points
Somehow you keep doing that
narrow elbow
Honestly felt like this alittle https://youtu.be/RJ__1lmPJWY
stone vine
This is amazing
I still cant believe I talked about a tick for 5 hours
Im
I think I'm going crazy
Honestly this lore has taken over my life
stone vine
We might have covered all we could, but I guess well never knooow
Will just look around more
Hmmm, ok, even if it's not a tick, I think it has something to do with lymph disease or something very similar
We can see that the egg looking things ok the shooter are lined against where our lymph nodes are, and the strikers have abnormality, swelling, and cyst like bubbles located around the same areas
Anyways that's enough for today, my head hurts, I'm gonna dip
maiden remnant
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt most small creatures survive the asteroid in prehistoric times? So it could be, like hes saying, some type of prehistoric tick that was tested on
tight nymph
They have gtfo game theory already?
placid gust
Check pins
narrow elbow
@maiden remnant I was referring to the impact site
center of the crater was estimated at 12 miles deep
and had a 93-mile diameter
within the 90-mile diameter of impact a sterile region emerged, where they suspect no life could survive
what WAS at the impact area apparently, was nano-plankton
they returned back to the crater the soonest, exiting a state of suspended animation they'd been in for 5 million years after the impact
atomic tree
Mornings, good to see the lore chat is active, tho also curses BC now I've missed 8 hour of talk
atomic tree
Yeah, did a quick skim, tho I saw some misconceptions and a lot of re-treads of subjects :b
atomic tree
Eyup, I mean -some- speculation is allowed with the amount of info we get (example my timeline and the nature of Warden theory), but at least I try to have some facts or argue points :b
narrow elbow
yeah, we really need a pure data sheet
no building, just the blocks
what we can see in the game
atomic tree
The two that bother me most is when people either claim:
Warden MUST be an AI
Or
It gotta be clones/mindcontrolled prisoners
narrow elbow
that's fair
atomic tree
Yeah, been thinking about compiling something like that.
narrow elbow
They pointed out earlier, at :24 seconds on the gameplay trailer, the words "DEMON TICK" pop up on the black screen
we're still trying to figure that one out
hence the prehistoric tick idea that was happening up above
atomic tree
Well, the crater is called the "Chicxulub crater".
"Chicxulub" is from the Yucatec Maya language, where ch’ik means "flea" or "tick", and xulub’ means "devil, demon, or horns".
narrow elbow
though the actual translation is "The Devil's Tail"
atomic tree
Well, it is an old language, they usually had some very context based words to my understanding.
native plaza
Wow, lots of new posts since I last saw this.
atomic tree
But if the enemies in the game is some kind of parasitic insect "Demon/Devil Tick/Flea" would make sense
narrow elbow
maybe, though connecting the name of the town to the enemies is a big jump
frail sand
But hold on, could a prehistoric tick induce mutations over an extended period of time?
native plaza
Here's what I think so far:
A) Something was found deep in the earth; a mining operation was setup both to reach this thing (which I believe to be of organic origin, like a parasite, a creature of some form) and on-site labs as well.
B) The warden is an AI program that was put in place to contain the situation after some sort of biohazard breach, that exposed the workers of the operation (possibly some at the surface level, but at this point I doubt it.)
C) The people that were exposed were put in HSU pods, in order to prevent the mutation to progress, as it affects, aside from the physiology of the subject (eg, sleepers), their mental status as a precursor to the physical transformation.
D) People are therefore contained by the warden, and used as expedition fodder, in order to minimize further contagion - which is why there are no proper military teams sent down, but rather a recycling of subjects in a way. This makes me think that the whole thing is a private operation gone wrong, and its all been trying to be kept very hush-hush.
atomic tree
@narrow elbow Dunno if it's a "big jump" I was more thinking it like an theming or source of inspiration for the whole concept of the game.
frail sand
So could the name of the place be referring to the nature and behaviour of the infection rather than its cause?
native plaza
Oh, and E) the prisoners arent actually controlling their movements. People from the surface are injecting into the cortex of the mentally unstable prisoners, to give them some sort of coordination capacity, and to effectively do their bidding.
Just my thoughts, tho.
frail sand
Also, not all prisoners aren’t mentally unstable, as shown in the after action screen upon completing a level
native plaza
Very true.. So perhaps they arent controlled against their will?
by us!
insert ominous theme - we're teh baddies?!
narrow elbow
alright back
@native plaza one issue with them being controlled by us is that they talk and it's consistently the same 4 guys
native plaza
Oh, damn. You're absolutely correct.
I withdraw point E, too many holes in the theory.
narrow elbow
and @atomic tree the point I was making earlier was that everything within a 90-mile diameter of the meteor impact was sterilized, so if we are assuming it's something they're pulling off the asteroid, it'd make more sense for it to be an extraterrestrial extremophile than a tick preserved in amber, which would be vaporized
atomic tree
I agree with anything except B) and E).
1B: We don't know for sure if the Warden is an AI or originations or person. When you log in to the game you get a message saying "Manual Override detected", that means that someone is hacking/at least going beyond the AI programming.
2B: Look at the drop, when we enter from the top vs. when we land in the complex. The top is clearly built for dropdown like this, but the whole drop down in the complex is a tear, with torn and impartial rooms. That make me conclude that Warden is more than an AI and more a organization affiliated with Santonian Industries.
frail sand
Also, there’s apparently an infection level after completing a level, if we are taking everything that happens in game as lore.
So unless a tick is also transmitting the infection via bodily fluids, (when they attack and scratch the player), then it shouldn’t be a prehistoric tick, bc there just seems to be not enough to work with at the moment for that theory to properly work
atomic tree
And E) point Noname explained 😛
narrow elbow
also, when did we conclude that the brain symbol we see when injecting the cortex interface is the symbol of the warden?
how was that established?
frail sand
I don’t remember seeing that post, so idk
narrow elbow
It's something that was said a few times but I never saw what established that either
frail sand
As far as I’ve seen, the Warden doesn’t have a symbol, only that name
native plaza
Yeah, I take your point, Juul. This makes me wonder if the warden is an AI program that is too stuck in its ways, and the surface conditions have deteriorated to the point that the most (perhaps the only) viable way to correct the situation (perhaps to reach a 'pure' specimen in order to create a vaccine) is to circumvent the warden's programming and send down HSU people, because there's noone left.
atomic tree
I think bc some people didn't connect that Warden had its own symbol 😛
native plaza
You mean the icon on discord, and the one on the doors down there?
atomic tree
I think Warden is just an OS system/program.
narrow elbow
I feel there's a miscommunication on what we mean by AI
some people take that to mean a branching automated system
which is accurate
native plaza
Yeah, true. I think i maybe using the term too literally, I just mean a program that is running without direct human supervision
Not necessarily a sentient one.
too liberally, evne*
atomic tree
Fair point 😄
narrow elbow
one would require manual override to send the guys down,the other could do it itself
dreamy rose
regardless what warden is, someone breached it
narrow elbow
If the Warden is sentient, it can make its own decisions and break its own rules
when necessary
hence why it matters when talking about the Override to send people down again
dreamy rose
the override was most likely caused by the one that breached/hacked into the warden
narrow elbow
If the system overrode its usual protocol due to unusual circumstances, there would be no breach or hack necessary
native plaza
Aye, I agree with you, NoName, 100%.
narrow elbow
that's assuming that the AI is more than an automated system, though
it'd be a true Artificial intelligence
native plaza
Though personally I believe the one who is hacking the warden to be essentially "humanity at large", or somesuch organization, perhaps the last leg of organized government.
Rather than a smaller group with nefarious interests. Which is also possible.
dreamy rose
doesnt have to be a smaller group
narrow elbow
yeah, the automated system being overridden suggests that the infection outbreak was an unforseen accident
dreamy rose
whoever ran the facility could still be around and wants to hide something or retrieve something for personal gain
narrow elbow
the sentient AI path could suggest that the AI may have caused the outbreak
dreamy rose
Unlikely
narrow elbow
"unlikely" when we basically have no info
dreamy rose
how is it supposed to cause the outbreak?
narrow elbow
it's a sentient AI, the sentient AI breaking things and killing people isn't exactly a new trope
native plaza
Im all for rigid programming taken too literally causing unforseen consequences, but somehow get the feeling (based only on my gut) that the outbreak was just a complete mess that noone expected.
dreamy rose
yeah but that doesnt explain why the warden could have caused the outbreak and complete demise of the personal at the facility
native plaza
But at least there was cake.
dreamy rose
we are already infected
so the origin is not "onboard" the warden
cuz then we should have already died/turned
native plaza
perhaps it'd just be commonplace at that point.
narrow elbow
managing labs for carrying out huge amounts of study is one of the legitimate reasons scientists give
native plaza
I reaaaaaally hope the game never spoon feeds us this stuff, and just carries on giving subtle cues with each rundown.
narrow elbow
Warden: a person responsible for the supervision of a particular place or thing or for ensuring that regulations associated with it are obeyed.
and yeah, it has access to inmates
native plaza
Aye, a warden isnt necessarily a penitentiary one.
dreamy rose
well the warden is in control of us
narrow elbow
you can have a dystopian future which uses inmates as guinea pigs
and We don't know if the Warden Controls us Per se
it definitely directs us though
dreamy rose
Dunno, the sounds the character makes when we wake up in the pod, and drop down dont sound like we had a choice
native plaza
Its been stated on occasion that we are doing this 'against our will'
narrow elbow
we probably don't we're also being brought out of suspended animation
native plaza
I think in the GTFO behind the scenes documentary
narrow elbow
I've heard that can be a doozy
dreamy rose
if we werent just meatbags to the warden, then why are we sent down with mediocre equipment?
narrow elbow
but even if we're being directed against our will, we need to be careful of the word "control"
native plaza
I think GTFO means that as the collective objective to get the fuck out of the warden's captivity.
dreamy rose
The interesting thing is, the pods we start in, there are hundres of them in the facility, each with a person inside
native plaza
Aye.
narrow elbow
hopefully a person
dreamy rose
Im pretty sure we actually are just a puppet for the warden
narrow elbow
metaphorically
not literally
That's what I'm saying
"control" can mean both
which is why I'm suggesting more elaborated descriptions
dreamy rose
We get sent down in a pod from which we cant escape on our own.
we can only get back if we fullfill his order
we get sent down with mediocre equipment
narrow elbow
we can talk
we can hear emotion in the voice regularly
and we're not perfectly coordinated because we're players
native plaza
I think we're controlled insofar as its beyond our control to get out of dodge, and we really dont want to do these expeditions, but they are forced on us.
As stated before, the talk between characters suggests that they are otherwise in control of their actions.
narrow elbow
those all go against us being literal puppets of the Warden
frail sand
And we can, lore-wise, ”scavenge what we want that the Warden doesn’t want”
dreamy rose
u guys know the game "Void Bastards" ?
narrow elbow
yes, we're under forced servitude
atomic tree
Personally I think the HSU pods were used for science pet storage, but also as a way to house personnel.
If you are doing a blacksite operation, you 1: Get people from all over the world on 6 month (or more) contracts 2: Don't want your staff to go insane by living underground.
narrow elbow
I've heard of "Void Bastards"
dreamy rose
youre a prisoner there, and you have to retrieve items, ordered by an AI, not because it threatens you with death, but because it the only way you could survive
since we are already infected
maybe it promises a kind of cure
narrow elbow
yeah, that's under forced servitude
you don't have your every muscle twitch controled by the AI
"work for me or die"
dreamy rose
Issue is, i dont expect a cure down there
native plaza
Personally...
dreamy rose
just the horrible dark truth
narrow elbow
who knows
native plaza
I think that our characters are only awake when they're either about to drop, or in an expedition.
dreamy rose
some lovecraftian stuff, who knows
atomic tree
Yeah a lot of people have said the "if they ain't under (mind)control of the Warden, why would they work for it!?"
My answer: People tend to have a will to live, like, really badly 😛
frail sand
But doesn’t the infection level vary after each level?
With some being unknown...
native plaza
What a messed up existence, neh?
dreamy rose
im curious about our origin
hope we can get more info about that in the futur
are we actual prisoners that did terrible stuff
narrow elbow
ye
dreamy rose
or just test subjects
native plaza
We are defined in the documentary as "scavengers"
atomic tree
Well, they get all the Vagina face monster they could dream of uwu
narrow elbow
well, Bishop made the Santonian website
native plaza
but I think they are using the term loosely. What's this bishop you speak of?
dreamy rose
these pods are still curious
narrow elbow
dreamy rose
i wonder what is actually inside of them
atomic tree
Does no one read the god damn sticky!? 😂
dreamy rose
Living human, human remains, something else?
narrow elbow
<meta charset="utf-8">
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1, shrink-to-fit=no">
<meta name="description" content="Homepage of SANTONIAN Industries, strategic investors group.">
<meta name="author" content="F. Bishop">
Bishop's the Author of the Santonian Industries website
native plaza
Oh yeah, I see it.
atomic tree
Yes? What part?
narrow elbow
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1D2mdwwY2EvieuvQ3twaa1X-OU-kaUCdhxr6hqIZRfqg/edit?usp=sharing
Google Docs
Bishop writing the website
atomic tree
Yes?
narrow elbow
you probably already read it, Juul
atomic tree
Yeah, that is why I asked why no one read the sticky/pinned 😛
narrow elbow
yeah, I was just expounding on that
native plaza
Guilty, reading it now.
narrow elbow
I gotta contact that email, too
native plaza
Im gonna be sent down into expeditions in the future, damnit. I know a bit of website design, my surname is Bishop and my initial is F.
narrow elbow
anyone done that yet?
just a reminder, at this point in time, Bishop's probably young
atomic tree
I did, but haven't gotten any answers 😦
native plaza
Very nice, though the questions remain.
Also they might be two different people, these bishops.
atomic tree
That would bad writing. You don't wanna name two different agents of a story with the same name, unless it have a purpose.
narrow elbow
it's entirely possible
native plaza
Not bad writing. Might be a red herring.
atomic tree
That is still bad writing.
native plaza
Not if the goal of it was to cause us to have this very conversation, and throw us off in our theories because we are forcefully assuming the bishops are the same person.
atomic tree
That would like saying "that part you thought existed in the story, well it didn't bc I'm writing to you now it didn't, what a twist eh!"
native plaza
Agree to disagree, man. I will give you this, though: I think they are probably the same person, but not necessarily.
atomic tree
I'm just talking from the standpoint on what is considered good story telling.
narrow elbow
let's assume for now that they are
atomic tree
Bc if they aren't we now then can't assume ANYTHING about the lore.
narrow elbow
If he did make this website in 2017 then he's young right now
and works for the company
native plaza
Mhmm.
frail sand
should we shift the subject back to the actual infection before our brains crash bc of names?
narrow elbow
so something big changes between now and when he starts getting dropped into a giant hole as an "inmate"
nah, the infection's just as confusing
it's all way too open-ended and we should be mining for answers
frail sand
Not really if you closely look at it, literally and figuratively
narrow elbow
at the infection?
native plaza
Alright gents, I'm heading either into the depths, or off to do some work. Either way, that it for this conversation on my end - take it easy!
frail sand
You too
narrow elbow
we still can't determine if the black growths on the shooters are eggs or fungi
atomic tree
Cya mate! 😄
frail sand
Think of it like this, “how can the enemies live without their heads after they are shot off?”
atomic tree
@narrow elbow Most likely, but no clear confirmation other the devs stated that it is "some kind of parasitic egg" 😛
narrow elbow
fungi are pretty regularly parasitic @atomic tree and you can consider plume sacs fungal eggs
also no info on how these things split open only Mens' skulls and grow teeth-like growths
we see that their intestines are bloated though
frail sand
Okay, so have any of you played The Last of Us?
frail sand
XD, okay, but gameplay isn’t the point here
Think of what the cordyceps does to its victims
atomic tree
Yeah, but if its fungi, how do you explain the big fuck off worm that they attack with and the flesh celling on C2?
narrow elbow
?
frail sand
that’s one of the holes in the fungi theory, bc of the massive abnormalities within the infection
narrow elbow
wait did we fight a giant worm?
atomic tree
The enemies attack
frail sand
You know, when they twitch and then attack you
narrow elbow
I have no memory of seeing enemies attacking a giant worm
when?
are you talking about the tongue?
it is pretty worm-y
atomic tree
narrow elbow
but that's in every level
atomic tree