That's what I think
#gtfo-lore
stone vine
narrow elbow
that reactor was active, other one was not
stone vine
Yeah maybe they know of warden
whole thicket
As more rundowns are travelled through, we might see more mutations than rn
stone vine
Like I was saying earlier this could be an intelligent parasite
whole thicket
Without a doubt im excited to saw what we will find
narrow elbow
not in a cognitive sense at least
stone vine
Yeah they said there will be radiation in the next rundown and like oxygen hotspots and stuff
narrow elbow
oh man, that'll be fun
whole thicket
@narrow elbow Like a primal instinct kinda thing?
stone vine
If it isnt intelligent we know its definitely strong as hell and has a lot of capability
It can morph humans into shadows, so what can it do next
narrow elbow
@whole thicket more complicated than that
narrow elbow
like depending on the surrounding environment, they'll take on different behaviours
whole thicket
God imagine a sleeper that can shed its skin if it gets stuck in c-foam and breaks free from it
stone vine
Closer to a stronghold, better living conditions, stronger and faster enemy
They adapt to their surroundings like any normal living thing I think
whole thicket
That might make it easier to kill it though if its shedding its thick skin
Everything adapts no doubt
stone vine
That would be a fun idea
whole thicket
Im gonna make a suggestion on that brb
stone vine
These things adapt rather quick tho I think
inland brook
lmao
inland brook
So, anyone tried to contact the industries website yet?
narrow elbow
probably should, yeah
inland brook
Writing a full-deep lore-ish email would most likely spark a response from the devs.
inland brook
"WHERE ARE MY DINOSAURS"
inland brook
I don't think it's gonna get as freestyle as L4D series
But I'm looking towards it too.
stone vine
Idk what the mods will be like, but textures gonna be cool too
inland brook
I imagined like custom maps, sound overhauls, etc
whole thicket
Lets try to keep the mods on topic, really dont want the mods or devs to be wagging their fingers on us (โข ฮต โข)
stone vine
Like you open a certain door and go to another compound of the facility
And you can do like a little side exploring for lore
stone vine
Yes sleepers hard at work
inland brook
exactly
stone vine
At their 9 to 5 jobs
inland brook
rotten bodies bloated in their booths, kek
stone vine
What would be cool is that in each rundown we get more infected and start seeing the characters transform
stone vine
And then at the very end of the game we cure oursleves
stone vine
I want to marry a sleeper
stone vine
They are so cute
stone vine
They kidna thicc doe
Kinda
We should just start lore on why the sleepers are built like that
stone vine
How they sleep standing up
inland brook
The infection is already nicknamed Demon Tick
stone vine
Yes
inland brook
officially from the devs
stone vine
So it's a tick not a parasite
stone vine
Mhm then it can be anything
inland brook
Aye,
stone vine
But what if it was a mutation on the meteor that infected the tick
Or the parasite whatever it is
It could have enhanced and mutated a disease in order to affect its hosts differently
inland brook
I'd expect some Dead Space Marker type thing
stone vine
It's ok bro I'm just joking
inland brook
"They're not aliens, they're not zombies - they're something unknown, and our goal was to make that unknown disgusting to look at"
stone vine
I don't think they r aliens
inland brook
yeeyee
whole thicket
I just imagined a striker in a suit with a brief case in hand
whole thicket
Lmao its 4 am for me
stone vine
Only 1 bro what
whole thicket
I wonder where in the world the whole game is set at as well? Also timewise? In the future obviously due to the gadgets
inland brook
Well
inland brook
Since it's based on our current attempt to dig to the impact zone of the meteor
stone vine
Yep
inland brook
post 2020, i'd expect 2030's-2040's
stone vine
Honestly imagine this goes down irl
whole thicket
Yikes, abide the law or else
stone vine
Theres also some Mariana trench theories
Honestly I'd break the law if I got to go smash bubbly people in the head
inland brook
"So, what did you get locked in for?"
stone vine
Sounds fun
inland brook
"I just really wanted to experience GTFO VR"
whole thicket
Not me XD
inland brook
you're gonna be a 40 year old pap by then
whole thicket
Until you see big larry that is lmao
stone vine
Yeah and then I dip
inland brook
"i didn't want to pay child aliments"
whole thicket
Their reaches are incredible tho, like around 7.5 m long
stone vine
Honestly what I was thinking if they send down prisoners every night why not just wait ti I have 100 of yall and just storm the compound
whole thicket
Might be over estimating but yeah
stone vine
Easy win
inland brook
"They can't zerg us all"
whole thicket
Idk i think we are trying to cause the whole world to be overrun
stone vine
Or just make friends with the sleepers and dunk on warden
whole thicket
And who knows what dwells within the belly of the beast
stone vine
A little f u mesage
Probably a goat
Heard goats carry disease
Explains why they're so big, eating a goat whole isnt easy
whole thicket
And also the fact that we keep sending prisoners down as well
inland brook
i don't think so,
Realistically
Imagine this goes down in a Realistic environment
Who would want to go down and get some shit sorted? Those who would profit, so i'd presume some organisations, etc.
whole thicket
Yeah true
whole thicket
Probably but no that would cause more issues than it is already
stone vine
true
inland brook
They'd just get a corp to claim it
stone vine
wed probs get nuked by another country
inland brook
"Do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't get out"
stone vine
they dont care abt us so why not
whole thicket
Also the "expedition members" wont matter since what else would be a better source than the people who are looked down upon in society and are locked up
stone vine
what are you her for? "jay walking" alright step right on through were feeding you to the demons
inland brook
Eh
Tbh
They're just trying to figure out what's going on
We know their intentions through the mission
whole thicket
Tax evasion? How dare you? Go to sleep and the next thing you will wake up to is 3 others or less being dropped into a death hole, bye bye!
stone vine
and then repeat
inland brook
Everytime the intro sequence plays
inland brook
I ask my teammates "Are you here for the rollercoaster too?"
whole thicket
That makes me wonder, how does the process go whenever a prisoner is selected for an expedition?
whole thicket
I mean before that though
inland brook
That works like cryostasis, and you wake up fully geared
So probably you're loaded somewhere offsite
stone vine
bye bye ronnie have fun on your field trip
whole thicket
I know the Cortex automatically lets you know what to do and controls your behavior or compels you at least but like is there a selected system or some sort of random draw of the hat kind of thing
inland brook
Most of it is just modified miner gear
stone vine
yeah
inland brook
Aye
stone vine
unbidden thats exactly what i was thinking about the injection
whole thicket
Youre mind probably wiped at some point no?
inland brook
You'll just give him stuff to do the job
stone vine
So basically heres a rundown of what i think happens
inland brook
Prolly
whole thicket
Lets here it
inland brook
We dunno who they were in the past
stone vine
We are so mentally unstable that we are classifies able to "retire". But, oh no, we can't waste our precious prisoners like that. But, then again, we cant just send them down with ptsd, they won't get any work done. So lets constantly inject them to basically hack into their brains and focus on only what the warden wants and not on their own will.
Thats primarily what they are used for I think
That brief jump scare after the injection is a quick wipe of the bad parts of our memories
whole thicket
Also we get these logs in red color that has 'mem'
and they have a error code to em as well
stone vine
Yes thats why persy Bishop can remember everything
errors in the system
we can bypass the system
But not entirely, we still carry out the objectives, but we just keep everything in mind with no emotion
Well anyways thats enough for me today im gonna go sleep
peace
whole thicket
Night @stone vine
summer gale
So after each mission, your memory is most likely wiped and you're put in some sort of stasis before the next mission right ?
I wonder if as the game progresses in the future, we can hear some dialogue between the 4 prisioners
whole thicket
Not too sure but maybe? I mean why would they wipe out valuable info regarding the sleepers?
And besides i dont think they can slice out memories either
summer gale
what gets to me is that they don't seem to have too much of an individual personality. They point out sleepers to each other and not much else. Makes me think that whatever process they're going through between injecting or missions is some sort of beta blocker
and they're always ( understandably ) terrified when they're dropped in from the pods too
almost like it's always unexpected
whole thicket
I think thats more of trying to keep quiet anyways? I mean you dont want to have a full blow conversation when youre next to a big motherfucker
summer gale
well it might be more because the game is in Alpha and not many resources have been put into it yet, but I do feel like they're almost empty slates of a person
I don't know
You have a good point, but at the same time there's multiple times where a viable conversation or remark about weird shit could be made
like in C2 , there's this flesh pulsating thing on a ceiling in one of the rooms, that's for sure worthy of a WTF from them
whole thicket
Yeah but when they get the game out of EA then theyll 100% for sure flesh it out
This game has potential and i am excited to see where it goes with its story
stone vine
Back to the subject of warden being an AI. We can see a file called .mem, which could be named memory. The memory files of the prisoners could be stored in the data base after each mission. They may discover these files in the future, but idk for now.
That would mean they can just recycle the prisoners without a chance of losing valuable info
Warden being an AI can just access the files whenever, or whoever could be in charge of warden.
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It could also just be a guy at a terminal.
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Although, the warden in discord is also a bot so, who knows?
stone vine
That might be a clue, but idk how far we need to look into it
I think warden is an AI mainly because of the doors is C1 and D1
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Haven't played D1 yet
sullen oriole
maybe this discord is actually the hub and we get picked out from here into the game
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When you see yourself on the dark web with same day shipping...
stone vine
the reactor rooms can be accessed by warden straight away almost as if its already there, it might have been a system used by santonian incase their research went to shit
who puts a reactor in a research facility?
that far down too
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People very far underground that need a lot of power for things like mining and/or research.
stone vine
well we can tell it wasnt in use, thus us starting it up again in c1 for clearance to d1
i think the facility was free running beforehand
until it lost main power
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I can imagine that each level has it's own reactor.
summer gale
It makes sense if you think of the Warden as this AI that has lost access to a few areas and needs you to manually bypass security to allow him in
sullen oriole
i mean we dont know how large the facility is
all we know about is the first rundowm
stone vine
we can imply that its basically like huge
seeing as rundowns update from every few weeks to months
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Or the Warden could just understand that these are suicide missions so he's just sending deathrow ptsd prisoners down for him.
summer gale
but even then, he could just be a person locked out from using certain facility utilities , and it would end up being the same, with you having to manually override security for him
stone vine
i dont think the ones we play as are prisoners
summer gale
I'm not sure the Warden being AI is too relevant or not
sullen oriole
i havent played D1 so i dont know what we are getting
stone vine
i think they might of known too much
bishop started catching on and they just decided to fling him into the hole
sullen oriole
i think we are just the best thing to send
summer gale
I think the people we play as have their shit way too put together for a nightmare scenario such as that
stone vine
Yup
summer gale
could be a cleanup crew honestly
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If there are four of us, we could go into a call, play for a while, and discuss this in voice.
stone vine
that started to uncover things they shouldnt have
sullen oriole
maybe the monsters cant easily differentiate between mental damage and alive even while moving, so thats why we are basically almost invisible before we trigger them
summer gale
they know how to work the terminals and securities and stuff
stone vine
Dauda and Bishop have already shown signs of working against injections - slightly-
Dauda can still feel some threat while in the compound, he remembers the other drops too from what he narrates
summer gale
I think that if the devs were doing this "normal prisoners getting thrown into a hole" thing, they'd let you use your own avatar, since then it would make sense in-world that you get dropped into A1 and get taught by a fellow player and prisioner how to use the terminals, avoid enemies etc
it doesn't make too much sense to have pre-selected 4 people if they wanna go down that route
stone vine
Yeah, Its deeper than that, I think the devs are pytting us off a bit
They want us to uncover everything
languid walrus
Does Hackett have any affiliation with Santonian since he wears a hoodie with the logo on it?
sullen oriole
maybe we all were at first trained personal that got ptsd
summer gale
in every level there's corpses and stuff, and they're usually all very mangled, otherwise we could see if those corpses were facility personnel or fellow prisonmates too
languid walrus
Corpses suggest those people did not survive mutation.
sullen oriole
i havent paid attention to this but does any corpses have gear like we do
languid walrus
Since you see some of the corpses in the same position and pose that some of the sleepers are in.
summer gale
good point Shawn
languid walrus
On their knees, hands over their heads.
stone vine
They're transforming
sullen oriole
yeah some corpses looks melted
stone vine
Were infected, being physical with them will turn you in hours
summer gale
some melted, some look like they got ripped in half
stone vine
Yeah, most likely killed by their crew
Good ol slash to the stomach with a mallet
but what about melting
sullen oriole
i guess its something airborne or maybe something oraly injected
stone vine
I think its both, because we show no signs of interacting with it
but it speeds up the process if we do
languid walrus
Leaked bio weapon that contaminated the entire facility?
sullen oriole
worst idea would be if the thing they shoot out is meant to go inside us
stone vine
Yep
The nest\
Contains heaps of thos "parasites"
wish we could cut it open or somn
stone vine
Maybe
summer gale
The nature of the monsters aren't clear either, every monster up to D1 points ot possible infection or parasite
but D2 has the shadow people
languid walrus
It would be cool if a later expedition had an area where all of the walls and floors are covered in the fleshy residue, like as if that entire sector is the nest.
stone vine
Lol lucas D1 has both
summer gale
I assume they will do that Shawn , as you go further you get closer to the "nest"
stone vine
They are taking over
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I know this is a little off topic, it took me a bit to type this. The Warden could be sending us down to do these tasks, just to look for something we may have seen on the way. Not something that we're technically looking for, but we see something that we just write off as mining equipment or storage bins that actually have something that we don't know about. He gets to check on certain things he doesn't want other people knowing about, he get's a job done, and he gets to send us deeper. For him, it's a win win win situations. What's a better spot to hide something than a secret underground research/mining facility that's been mostly abandoned, leaving behind creatures that are very powerful and plentiful.
summer gale
D1 * sorry
sullen oriole
maybe its like alien
languid walrus
It reminds me of The Shadow from Amnesia The Dark Descent.
sullen oriole
since you just get left on the ground
languid walrus
Invisible entity, but its fleshy residue is seen everywhere.
stone vine
Jigrup its said its not an alien or zombie, so maybe a mutation
summer gale
It's possible Bull
sullen oriole
i meant like in alien where new subjects gets taken to a nest
summer gale
It's just that every monster feels very organic , you see pus filled holes and wounds and stuff, and then out of nowhere you got a monster that is just a puff of black smoke
languid walrus
Could the Warden have created some of them?
sullen oriole
i still havent done D1
stone vine
I doubt it
summer gale
the Warden might just be those trope AI that need to get the job done no matter the human cost
stone vine
Warden for what we know is working against these things or it wouldnt be sending us down itd be sending them up
summer gale
it has one job and by god he'll do it
stone vine
Its just an AI built in by santonian incase research went to shit
sullen oriole
maybe some infection came with the meteor that killed the dinosaurs
languid walrus
I kept thing he was using the DNA from the HSU samples to create more enemies or to send down more prisoners.
stone vine
Yeah
sullen oriole
that then got mixed with something in the labs to create a bioweapon
summer gale
or maybe he wants to analyse it to see the cause of the infection ?
languid walrus
I am curious though.
stone vine
@sullen oriole thats exactly what i was thinking lol
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Some of the larger ones could be made of multiple people. That would make sense of the melting thing. Maybe they all melt down and come back up, making bigger ones if there are multiple near by.
stone vine
So it really is the blob
languid walrus
Who are the other 8 IDs for?
stone vine
Confirmed
summer gale
Is there exactly 12 ID's on the map ?
stone vine
Yes
languid walrus
More than 12.
stone vine
Wait no
sullen oriole
i dont think the first 4 are ours. maybe its a security scan needed 12 secientists clearance
summer gale
hm
sullen oriole
but since all scientist are persuadably dead
summer gale
because I know that for C2 there's way more than the 10 Pdecs you need
sullen oriole
you need the analog solution by looking for 12 random ones
summer gale
and it makes sense for C2, but for B1 it doesn't matter sense to gather any random 12 IDs
stone vine
The 10 pds were just to solve a matrix that consisted of that many codes
It was the second authorization
summer gale
yeah yeah, for C2 it's plausable that you need any random pdec
languid walrus
Are the prisoners ever allowed out of HSUs when a mission is successful or are they just put back into them until the next expedition?
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Maybe you need 12 ids because the bottom levels were the first to go. So they required a large group to be sent in at a time for safety. It would make sense of the nest and the newer enemies towards the bottom.
sullen oriole
thats why i think this discord is where we are sent
summer gale
heh
summer gale
could be a meta thing
stone vine
It seems they knew this could happen
summer gale
which again, would make it even better if we could have our own avatars
other than 4 pre selected ones
stone vine
Think about it, they stored perfectly healthy human dna, why?
sullen oriole
they have said that you can buy customizations in the future
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To find some way to combat the "infection" process.
stone vine
I cant wait
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Maybe we aren't just sent down to do certain jobs, but to be test subjects to beta versions of some vaccine or something.
stone vine
Hm thats a possibility
sullen oriole
im uncertain about that since we have gear to protect us like masks
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It would make sense if they're sending down the same people, getting various amounts of infection, then going down again.
sullen oriole
but then again we do have that infection level at the end
sullen oriole
ive thought about how nobody is ever clean. either low or high
stone vine
Yes, were all infected everyone is basically gonna die
thats why i think we are going to find a cure
Before it spreads
summer gale
I see that infection kinda like you'd see radiation levels
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Also, even in A1, the characters all know what sleepers and scouts are.
stone vine
Yup, they know valuable info
vapid monolith
@chrome badge because we already been there
summer gale
so yes, we are all infected
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Exactly.
vapid monolith
since, during the opening "cinematic" code, it says "Subject not suitable for Redeployment"
stone vine
I think it is
vapid monolith
It is
summer gale
and that is where we presumably got the gear we have too , from earlier expeditions.
stone vine
Because its spreading from what we can say is the ground up
Its almost at the top too lol
vapid monolith
The Complex is the origin source and it's pretty contained by the "Warden" entity
sullen oriole
wasnt there a mission stating how far down it was?
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I wouldn't be surprised if the prison is also infected.
vapid monolith
All missions say how far down it is
stone vine
Hold up
summer gale
something definitely tried to get out of that facility, hence the beams being twisted up
maybe an explosion ?
sullen oriole
maybe something dug out
vapid monolith
But what about C2's peculiar ||Rooftop infestation||
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There are multiple destroyed walls, leading to quicker paths throughout the facility. Like in B2
stone vine
Yes my point about the nest growing
vapid monolith
Oh right
stone vine
Its trying to spread
Thats why its breaking the facility
The nest is pushing its way up and it wont stop till we stop it
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That would explain why so much of the walls and ceilings are broken. Why else would solid concrete walls just break?
sullen oriole
this game gives me second thought on perusing science
summer gale
I'm not sure the huge hole and the monster are directly connected. I think it's more plausable that something there massive blew up ( maybe a deep underground reactor ) and that causes the hole and the first infection
stone vine
Exactly
sullen oriole
scientists always gets shafted
vapid monolith
could be anything, really
maybe survivors blew it up to get to another part, maybe monsters broke it down
stone vine
And the chargers start in that room too
summer gale
water infiltration will break down concrete easily
That would explain why so much of the walls and ceilings are broken. Why else would solid concrete walls just break?
@chrome badge
stone vine
It could be forming them
sullen oriole
well we dont know what year it is right?
summer gale
I guess we have to wait for the next rundown
stone vine
Post 2020
summer gale
no we don't
stone vine
we know that much
sullen oriole
and how long this has been going on
stone vine
Id say not long\
summer gale
it's definitely in the future yeah
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The hole I'm referring to is in B2, the one that leads to the 2 security doors that are both alarmed. That clearly isn't water damage.
stone vine
Yes but we cant see a nest located there, so i have no idea
It might be moving around to find better spots
sullen oriole
tactical demolition i would say
stone vine
I really want this to be some gelatinous blob that just like to eat concrete
summer gale
or just multiple smaller nests being formed to suppose the hive-like mentality of the monsters
sullen oriole
we are clearly not the first
summer gale
support *
stone vine
Yep dead bodies everywhere
sullen oriole
i dont think its a hive mind
stone vine
and Dauda saying he recognizes them
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The terminals are running some sort of DOS. There are no graphics, just text and commands.
stone vine
definetely not the first, but probs the last
vapid monolith
@stone vine wdym dauda says he recognizes them
stone vine
The trailer he talks a bit about them
summer gale
Exactly Bull, it's not exactly the best thing to run at a scientific facility
maybe they're in lockdown mode though
stone vine
Im inferring his dream is the expeditions
vapid monolith
when he hears people screaming at him, and he, as you said, recognizes them somehow
stone vine
mhmm
sullen oriole
so you mean he possibly worked there?
vapid monolith
I actually think we as players are body-hopping through the Cortex interface
and use other people's bodies as our own to do stuff in the Complex
summer gale
if we do have parts of our minds wiped, it makes sense we'd feel some sort of memory to it
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Maybe they just need they're own OS, so they made their own, not trusting other companies' systems on their computers.
sullen oriole
or maybe they sent them down since they know enough to get around
stone vine
Well we see the same people each time
summer gale
I like that @vapid monolith
vapid monolith
And through that
That's why Dauda hears other people screaming at him
and that's why he recognizes them somehow
stone vine
Thats a good idea
vapid monolith
it's the people he effectively possessed to Complex Dive
summer gale
what again gets to me and kinda makes me believe that we are being wiped of memories somehow is that during the drop, you hear how scared we are
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Wanna jump into a voice chat and play while we discuss?
stone vine
The error
summer gale
it's almost like it's a new experience every time
vapid monolith
I think it's not how scared we are
it's just air going out of our lungs
from the sudden drop of the cage
sullen oriole
sure
stone vine
Yeah when u drop that low air gets kinda tight
sullen oriole
or maybe we are just terrified to go back
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summer gale
At work so I can't join atm
stone vine
lol
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damn
summer gale
or maybe we are just terrified to go back
but after that we are super calm and collected during the mission, no audible scares or sighs of distress for the most part
maybe it's an oversight from the devs, or not
vapid monolith
I think low speech is just dev oversight
like the guys are too calm / don't talk enough, especially during security alarms
quartz flicker
When you scared out of your mind there's typically two responses, panicking, talkative, scared, or uptight, cold and calcuating and stressed
summer gale
and even then, no reaction when they see the ceiling blob at C2, I think it's just an oversight, but who knows.
quartz flicker
Oversight or just lower on the priority list compared to game mechanics etc etc, only mention of it we get is the chat logs as we drop in
summer gale
which reminds me, those are the chat logs from other people within the facility I think
not ours
quartz flicker
yeah, previous prisoners the warden has sent to their doom
bronze drift
Do some of you have ideas of what the females sleepers throw at us ? ๐ I really want your opinion ^^ It is some kind of "magic" or what
hasty topaz
I donโt believe we know officially but my personal guess is a virus
visual swan
I believe they mentioned it was some sorta fungal infection?
Or it was hinted at
Something to do with DNA testing
But we dont know for sure which is what bomber said
stone vine
)-)
Look at the earlier convos that might help u guys figure further on some topics
extra info
hasty topaz
A lot of ideas have been tossed around here and I think fungus covers most bases save for origin. At least in my mind.
visual swan
Saaame
fleet lion
me and a player were talking how the facility which the game takes place in is extremely huge, too huge for a company so we thought it was built by "freedom land" (america) or it was a failed UN facility. When we found out that it was a mine (it was own by a mining company) we talked about it for a little bit before concentrating on the rest of our games. I think that the mining company is both fake and real. Real as in they must have hired a actual mining company to help build the facility and fake as they're using it as a cover for what may have occurred before what ever broke up and turned the people there into the things we fight in the game
frozen cairn
big warhouse
split arch
I don't think a mining company needs hydrostasis units and high-security doors galore, so it's definitely a cover
since the coordinates are in the crater of the asteroid that supposedly extinct the dinosaurs, it's assumed that it's an organization researching and looking for something out of the ground below
hasty magnet
And why would a borehole have stasis pods and a reactor inside it? Could it be a ship with an alien virus thats been put in a mining hole?
whole thicket
I think we could get all of our answers from understanding what the complex really is, the mining is obviously a mask than whats the truth
Is it a research facility? Like SCP Foundation or a containment for the thing that dwells deep within?
quick ridge
Or a failed research center that obviously knew what they were researching
Or rather, the more sinister, is that it was constructed in this way to purposefully release the Fungus/Virus, from here on out Iโll be referring it to the F-Virus, where the Warden possibly released the virus out into the facility in order to test the human and social reaction to the Virus. When it was all said and done and the F-Virus has done itโs work in there, we the players are sent in to do the dirty work of the Warden to test us against the F-Virus results and continuously sends people in. And I would like to sorta speculate that there is the idea that the Warden 100% controls the facility as everytime were sent back there, the doors and everything is shut.
100% speculation and fan theory ^
stone vine
I think they definitely knew what they were getting into
Because they have perfectly fine human DNA stored before the collapse so they may have realized what could happen and that they would need the DNA in the future incase of outbreak
fleet lion
plus, high chance it was transmitted through the vents. As while the infected are durable (being able to last even without a head) a large or organized security team, which this facility would have, would have been able to wipe them during the onset of the fungus/virus breaching quarantine
stone vine
yeah, there are huge vents everywhere
it would be able to spread quick and then from one person to another
lost stirrup
Reading all these theories and noting the details i've seen so far, I'm starting to think the virus/parasite/source of the infection was deliberately let out, possibly by The Warden, Umbrella corp. style. After all, if they knew the virus could spread via the giant vents, said vents would likely not be there.
whole thicket
Hi @stone vine
hasty topaz
Unu51, not necessarily unless the intent of the facility wat to infect people. With something that deep underground(800+ meters?), ventilation would be necessary to get anything done no matter the purpose of the facility, wether it is a lab or a mine or what have you.
Personally Iโm still if the opinion that this was just a horrible series of accidents. I think the surface has gone to hell and the Warden, likely ai, is keeping the remnants of humanity safe while some delve into the facility looking for answers. As to why there are cryopods in the mine; 800+ meters into the core of the earth is a pretty hard commute for every single person going down there so they might sleep there or something along those lines, in statis.
narrow elbow
Maybe
I'm gonna reiterate that mining is very rarely done via a maybe 300-foot radius hole going several thousand feet down
In fact I'm pretty sure NOONE does that
If the top caved in it'd be quick entombment.
stone vine
I dont think this was intentional
It seems pretty emergency based
Here I'll write a quick rundown on my entire thought process of what's happening
A meteor crashes in Mexico that contains other planetary fungi which spreads to its surroundings making what we know is the Demon Tick. Let's fast forward to when the meteor is discovered by a group of researchers. The researchers build a facility underneath to study the meteor and discover the nests underground. Studying these nests they find out that they contain parasitic beings that can infect human hosts. Now learning of this they start seeing effects take place on some researchers and take into account that if anything does screw up that they need a backup plan. They created Warden, an AI in charge of reactors that act as a back up power to regain power and restore the facility. One day the infection starts spreading, they dont know how or why but they go into a state of panic and start storing themselves in HSU as dna in order for some cure to be found. Soon the facility is being overrun and Warden is told to begin its work. Taking rows of infected researchers, Warden starts using them as prisoners to reclaim the facility. They are injected to comply with Warden and be able to complete their objective. The mental instability would cause the "prisoners" to go into a state of constant paranoia and panic, so Warden has to basically brainwash them. Though there is a slight error in Wardens system which causes a certain set of these "prisoners" to know a bit too much info. The 4 we play as. That's why we survive so long, through all the run downs I think.
:)
crude heron
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stone vine
:)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/12/tick-dinosaur-feather-found-in-amber-blood-parastites-science/ This is a good reference to what this thing could be, a mutation of this tick, or maybe a similar one.
atomic tree
I don't think the "brain wash" part really adds up. Brain washed to do what?
quick ridge
I still think a name for it like Virus-F is a good way to name this sickness
atomic tree
Tho it is more likely to be a parasitic infection rather than a virus
stone vine
What I mean is get them to follow what warden says
If you're that paranoid and scared nothing's gonna get done
atomic tree
I think most people likes to be alive.
So if they drop down in a hole where the only way out is to do as warden says, you'll do it.
stone vine
It could also be maybe to take their minds off of the parasite and to just get shit done kinda thing
Not think about anything
atomic tree
Nah, they talk too much to each other for that theory to hold water
stone vine
Yeah I'm not so sure about the injection this is all I can come up with from what I've got
Theres def something weird about it though because of the errors and overriding the system thing at the start
Idk tho
atomic tree
Tbh I just think the people running the Warden program have little regards to the safety of its people.
harsh spoke
The idea I believe is that the Warden has a neural interface with the prisoners
It injects itself via the Cortex UI somehow
Presumably this is how the prisoners have UI like the objective in the top left
stone vine
That's what I think too, I'm just trying to figure out if it does anything else possibly
Idk tho might just be looking too deep
subtle barn
Really ? Thats cool
harsh spoke
It just occurred to me that the kneeling position sleepers are in is likely them attempting to cover their eyes
Initially started during the early phases of human mutation (since you see human corpses in the position) I guess they just keep the habit as the mutation progresses
Light sensitivity being their thing and all
narrow elbow
Let's Check that out
If the crouching ones happen most when under light, you may be into something
harsh spoke
Enemy placement is determined by an algorithm so I donโt think thatโs going to tell you much
But now that you mention it there is a crouching stage as well where they still have their hands partially obscuring their face
So perhaps the initial stages of light sensitivity is too much sensory input for humans to handle
But as the infection progresses they adapt over time
Holy shit and this could actually be an excellent explanation for a lot of shit. Imagine being human and suddenly being insanely sensitive to light to the point it put you in agonizing pain
Youโd go ballistic trying to kill the power
And god knows the only thing your fellow scientists or workers would want to do is shine a light on you to study you. Not to mention the moment they realize youโre beyond saving theyโre just going to try to โdispose of the problemโ
Fighting ensues, factions develop, and sooner or later youโve got entire security zones going on lockdown or losing power
Quarantine enacted on the lower levels, people start getting desperate for supplies, the infected seal themselves in to keep their predators out
One or two escalatory events later, youโve got a hole from the bottom of the complex to the planet surface. While the company wastes time trying to figure out how theyโre going to salvage the facility whilst attempting to cover things up, the infected underground progress over time into the sleepers we recognize today.
Have I run too wild with this or does this sound entirely plausible?
inland brook
A little.
lilac island
we need t owait for actual stuff
eternal dagger
is GTFO's underground just hell?
frail sand
I just got onto B1, and that bit above does actually explain a lot...
If you guys remember, thereโs a massive room in with a fog, and with an absurd number of sleepers and a scout, all of which are standing within the fog, as far as I could see...
and those still outside the fog were either facing and against the wall, or curled up on the floor.
So @harsh spoke , your explanation does work very well in this case
hasty topaz
This doesnโt really add on to that theory but keep in mind the hole itself. The ground at the start of each level is broken upward rather than dig out neatly or from the surface. To me this means that something dug itโs way from the bottom of the facility. Have we figured that bit out?
frail sand
Nah, itโs adding onto the bit that Probe mentioned before the faction fighting
quick ridge
Maybe a outward bore or an outward explosion?
harsh spoke
^Exactly. I was thinking that perhaps a reactor on the lower levels was tampered with, caught in the crossfire, or perhaps decayed due to no maintenance, and caused a chain reaction throughout the compound all the way up to the surface. @hasty topaz an explosion caused by the biggest energy source we know of (reactors) seems more likely than a big monster digging their way out. You are right that the way the plates face up it appears as though whatever caused the hole came from below
summer gale
I'm not sure the huge hole and the monster are directly connected. I think it's more plausible that something there massive blew up ( maybe a deep underground reactor ) and that causes the hole and the first outbreak of whatever the monsters are
I had this idea earlier yesterday
I really don't feel like the massive hole was made by something digging its way upwards
it looks more like an explosion
harsh spoke
I just couldnโt fathom how a fully intact, working and stable facility could fuck up so badly so as to allow a reactor to go critical
summer gale
sabotage ?
harsh spoke
But thereโs so much security
I canโt help but feel like the only way a massively sophisticated facility like this could allow a reactor meltdown was if there was already chaos
harsh spoke
I donโt think thatโs convincing because Bishop apparently helped program the website for Santonian
I canโt see a higher up doing that
summer gale
if enough money was involved I could see someone higher up sabotaging the entire facility for monetary gains
a bit of a trope, but could happen
harsh spoke
Possible
Although we donโt have any person offered yet who would be a higher up
The other thing that doesnโt perfectly fit into my theory is the HSUs that litter the compound
The only thing I could think of was that putting people into Hydrostasis would temporarily halt any contamination they were experiencing
summer gale
hm yes
harsh spoke
That and the people in stasis could be contained for later study like specimens for the contamination (to figure out how to reverse it)
summer gale
I talked about that maybe the contamination could be something akin to how we know radiation works , we know that low levels of it are safe but if you pass a certain threshold it becomes dangerous. I reckon the infection in the game could work the same way, everyone is infected but that infection doesn't fully trigger unless you spend too much time down there or something
HSU are definitely for storing live tissues
as only those would need to be put in stacis
to keep them alive
harsh spoke
Possible, I donโt know enough about radiation to comment
Somebody said that it looked like the symptoms mirrored those of a fungal agent
summer gale
it does
except the weird shadow people
every monster seems to be from a fungal infection ish, you see pus and wounds and rotten flesh
but then you get to shadow people
harsh spoke
Yah idk what to make of that one. The closest I got to explaining the shadows is that theyโve somehow evolved to diffuse light around themselves
Sort of like modern invisibility camouflage fields
summer gale
I haven't paid attention enough to them, but do the shadow people bleed ?
when killed or
harsh spoke
Idk, I donโt think you could see it if they did
weak kayak
Yes they bleed, did D1 last night and thought it was strange how visible their blood was when shot.
summer gale
that's good, it means it really is more of a cloaking mechanism
rather than the shadow people being made out of black smoke or something
arctic hinge
The hole could have been caused by bunker buster missiles, it feels too directional and big for a reactor melt down, it it was a reactor it would be more of a bubble not a hole, but bunker busters go into the ground and then explode, leaving a hole shape as well as outward facing debris
quick ridge
^
quick ridge
That and it could possibly just be a failed dead switch
Ye
I mean, itโs right off the Tip of Mexico
Daily reminder that this is where we are and is confirmed ^
stable urchin
what if in that future, it isn't called Mexico anymore?
quick ridge
Well for the time being and for sake of sanity letโs call it Mexico
quick ridge
But
stable urchin
no buts ma dude
quick ridge
Everyone there speaks English and the consoles are encoded in English, so it could easily be a Black List site from the Americans looking for a nice quiet place to put the Conplex.
stable urchin
in mexido
quick ridge
It is a very obvious Mining Coverup as it looks like a mining operation, but the problem is that itโs very obviously not a Mining Operation due to the complete lack of mining equipment that is either present or in place for a normal mining operation.
On top of that, many places in the place look too Generator-y to be a mining operation.
It could easily be a Geothermal Generator facility, or rather a facility ran on Geothermal as the location all the way down in D1 is hot enough to power sensible Geothermal generators for energy.
stable urchin
or
quick ridge
Itโs obvious that the Fungal/Virus/Mutation was spread through the very abundant air ducts throughout the complex and that itโs first stages is Extreme sensitivity to light due to a number of enemies or bodies covering their faces, particularly their eyes.
quick ridge
And itโs obvious that an outward explosion happened to allow the hole for us to get dropped into via the modified HSU units.
However this is all speculation and theory, but it is a very sound speculation and theory.
stable urchin
I approve
quick ridge
I mean I kinda want a Dev or someone to like, confirm or something
lilac island
south bobcat
Or the bore holes were specifically created after the fact for the Wardenโs purposes
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quick ridge
Well no @south bobcat , if you look at the beginning intro the all of the places you spawn in, all the things are pointed upwards
indicating something was going outwards rather than inwards
south bobcat
Valid point, unless a drill or boring machine withdrawing dragged the material upwards.
But thatโs probably overthinking it.
Itโs just relatively clean for an explosion thatโs penetrating so many meters, so my thoughts have always turned to excavation
summer gale
if something excavated upwards wouldn't the metal beams be twisted upwards too in a sort of spiral ?
it almost looks like something poked through from the inside
or something was ripped out
because most excavation drills are rifled, so they would've twisted the beams as it drilled upwards
stable urchin
mhm
arctic hinge
It could be both a mine and a geothermal plant
stable urchin
It could just be a really big hole in the ground too
mighty sphinx
Didnโt they say their making a dig site for rundown 2
arctic hinge
And we could be not deep enough to see mining equipment, or it could be in any of the numerous crates and boxes lying around
native plaza
So what of the Warden? My theory is AI overlord.
native plaza
Maybe a sadistic AI anime neko loli
the red queen from Resident Evil comes to mind
I mean, tis obvious we are prisoners, and therefore we make for excellent cannon fodder, which is why we get sent in these high risk expeditions.
But who be calling de shots, mon?
dreamy rose
Kinda reminds me of the game "Void Bastards" where you are a Prisoner selected by chance to be sent outside by an AI to retrieve various Items and Objects of interest, once your Prisoner dies, a replacement will be chosen by chance once more, rinse and repeat
maybe its something similar here
arctic hinge
Yea that's what I assumed
dreamy rose
Not sure why we are prisoners, but seems like we are "Infected" with something and it seems like we are trying to retrieve stuff related to said Infection.
Possibly the Warden is an automatic System trying to find a solution to some world threatening problem/disease. And Prisoners are being used since they are easy to replace and nobody will miss them
Since we start out in a pod and get transfered to the pod transporter which decends into the depths
so far, for me it seems like, someone dug something out, it went horribly wrong, and now easy to replace people are being used to fix the mess
trail jasper
Maybe nearly all thats left of the world is prisoners in HSUs who are infected and the warden is sending infected prisoners in with guns to complete missions and possibly solve the crisis or figure out some cure at the source of the problem for whats left of humanity
dreamy rose
Would be funny, humanity got wiped, besides the prisoners in the quarantine, kept alive in the pods
and the rouge AI System is still trying to fullfill the orders given by its creator
But it seems like the AI System is in some kind of emergency mode, if i remember correctly, when you start the game up, it shows your Name, some data and say something like "Infected" and something like "Unable to deploy" but something overrides that in the same screen, forgot what exactly the text says
If anyone has some info about that, please im curious about that one
weak kayak
I just wanna throw this out there
For those wondering why we go in the hole, check the rundown, each mission explains why you are going down there
The end goal seems to be finding a way through D1
And we are all in cryostasis when not on the mission, gear selection and the lobby are being shown to us via a cerebral link, as it says when you start the game
atomic hound
All of this theorising about the general lore, meanwhile I'm over here trying to figure out just how big are the rounds we are using that we can only fit 30 of them in a single drum mag of an Assault Rifle
atomic tree
It shoots frozen chicken eggs
dreamy rose
what if we dont shoot ordinary bullets
just some weird sci fi stuff
So...why do the sleepers react so violently to light?
while some of them sometimes stare right into a construction lamp burning their face away?
harsh spoke
Lol itโs hard to place the sleepers away from light when using an algorithm
dreamy rose
well thats a fair point
but in A1 the first room is so bright and filled with lights
yet nothing happens
i mean yeah fine, to introduce the enemies
harsh spoke
Thatโs a tutorial zone though so yah
atomic tree
Well, maybe it depends on the UV-index of the light. The light in the complex is quite warm and somber.
harsh spoke
Yah itโs a bit sketchy that the warden is deploying undeployable prisoners
harsh spoke
Suggests either the warden has gone rogue or something horrific has happened on the surface
dreamy rose
and they are most likely used to that light
so that new light triggers them
I bet the Warden has been created beacuse something horrific happened
and we are being used to solve it
Just some meat being thrown into the grinder out of desperation
im still curious about the text you see when you launch the game
atomic tree
I am still looking for someone with knowledge in sound design that can help me decrypt some audio files
dreamy rose
The Warden certainly has a malfunction or is in some kind of emergency mode
wish i snapped a picture of the text...
cant remember what exactly it said
atomic tree
I think I've read that text and gauged it didn't really contain anything special
dreamy rose
most likely just flavor
but it says something about us being unable or unviable to redeploy
yet the system overrides that
also is states that we are infected
atomic tree
Yeah, more the reason to send us down again ๐
dreamy rose
Is it confirmed that its some kind of fungus?
well "confirmed" as in, the most likely theory
atomic hound
Not officially but it seems to be the most likely candidate
dreamy rose
Would explain the suits and masks we are wearing
small spear
^
dreamy rose
but then the whole already infected makes me wonder
god im over analyzing stuff
i mean it could simply be, that the air down there is highly polluted with Spores that it kills within seconds or minutes
atomic tree
Not fungus, more likely parasite.
My evidence: The enemies have worms and eggs in them and the prisoners ain't equipped in airtight suits.
dreamy rose
They have them inside?
how did you see that?
never paid that much attention to the enemies
atomic tree
dreamy rose
would get in line with the tentacles
atomic tree
dreamy rose
but still...if we are already infected...
atomic tree
Better quality^
harsh spoke
Iโve taken to ignoring the tentacles as a gameplay addition and not canon to the lore because they literally are bigger than the whole body
dreamy rose
either means its dormant, or we are just freshly infected and the pods are kinda slowing the whole process of turning
atomic tree
Wat
lost stirrup
Also, don't some of the sleepers have whip tongues?
harsh spoke
Yes, just recently infected seems likely
Correct
The head tentacles have to be taken with a grain of salt
atomic tree
That is a faulty logic Probe, I very much think the tentacles is very much cannon, that is why it is science fiction.
dreamy rose
Look at parasites in insects
lost stirrup
The ones where the mouths are basically the entire head.
dreamy rose
how freaking huge they actually are
harsh spoke
I donโt like magic in my sci-fi and unless youโre telling me that each sleeper has a Tardis in their head, the size of those worms is non-canon
dreamy rose
its sci fi, could be some gene altering parasite
I wonder, were the enemies humans...
harsh spoke
Yes
lost stirrup
They were. You can find bodies in the process of turning on the floor sometimes.
harsh spoke
there are human corpses that are in the same positions sleepers are found in
dreamy rose
So they basically dug something horrible up for some weird reason, any chance it could be some kind of genetic lab facility?
harsh spoke
Like covering their eyes on the ground or whatever
dreamy rose
maybe they experimented on something down there
harsh spoke
Itโs likely they dug something up, and we have confirmation there was at least barebones experimentation going on from one of the released images showing genetic material in a large stasis chamber
atomic tree
So this is how I think a striker works, notice that they tend to be bloated, I think it is because it "host" the worm that is the true monster and maybe some eggs too.
dreamy rose
any info on the general state of the world?
lost stirrup
Would explain the bizarre abdominal and posterior growths.
dreamy rose
the whole "shooting" enemies is still weird
but its a game afterall
with whatever they shoot at us
always looks like a weird rocket
jagged crater
Any lore?
atomic tree
My take is that it is eggs, as a way of infect other people.
jagged crater
Wow it must be quite long
atomic tree
jagged crater
Is there a YouTubeder that can spoon feed me the lore?
dreamy rose
AFAIK, someone dug and build the whole Facility that we raid, to experiment on something that seems to be a parasite. We dont really know what went wrong, but something horrible happened and the Parasite managed to infect People and turn them into the Things we see in the game.
im not aware of the state of the world, it its in ruin or still alive.
But someone created the sentient Warden AI which controlled us Prisoners, why we are prisoners i sadly cant answer, but it seems like we are being used to fix the mess
That being sad, its all as far as i know it
jagged crater
Ahh itโs like umbrella from RE
atomic tree
@jagged crater Not as of yet, but I also have my (very long written) take on the timeline.
dreamy rose
might aswell be some weird alien thing that landed here thosands of years ago and it was freshly discovered
atomic tree
And also the state of what Warden is unconfirmed
dreamy rose
@atomic tree Could you sent me what you have written?
jagged crater
Bet it is a bio weapon since they are collecting samples and such
dreamy rose
well, we are most likely collecting them to figure out how it works, and how to stop it
jagged crater
Works both ways
dreamy rose
since all the prisoners are already infected
jagged crater
Considering they are using prisioners
dreamy rose
it must have already spread quite alot
jagged crater
They are up to no good
atomic tree
My take of the story is following: Santonian Industries mines in the (Chicxulub) Crater (based on some real life drillings done in 2016). They find -something- down there, that might not been super harmful and collaborate with what we now know as the Warden. Warden moves down to into the complex and set up labs at the lower levels, away from the gaze of governmental control and such, to experiment on whatever they found. Somewhere (the devs said themselves) "beyond the year 2020" an outbreak happens and totally wipe out the humans of the Complex. The (group know as) Warden says "fuck that shit" and put a lid on the whole operation and let it simmer for a couple of years, hoping that most monsters would get bored and die/decay. And now the Warden have re-opened the hole to sent people down to salvage whatever useful information and date.
Only liberal take on this is that I say Warden is more of an initiative or a sister company to Santonian Industries, due to the information that can be found in the C levels and D level.
And also think it is not prisoners, but just people held as prisoners.
dreamy rose
Im not sure if im just overanalyzing it, but the situation for the warden seems desperate. Since they are overriding the whole "unviable to redeploy"
jagged crater
Wow
harsh spoke
What information on C and D specifically?
atomic tree
There is doors with Warden logos on it, also the levels where we start seeing reactors.
@dreamy rose Or simply they don't care, if these guys are good at the job and held against their will, it doesn't matter for the Warden what the analytics says
dreamy rose
could be
i think currently there is no correct answer to that question
gotta see what new updates bring
but so far we got a solid foundation of what has happened
jagged crater
Become a lore youtuber bro
atomic tree
But thinking how we needed to shut down a reactor on level D1, they might have been in a hurry and needed to override the system ๐
jagged crater
I want it spoon fed to me
dreamy rose
i dont have the sexy spooky voice
atomic tree
I don't have the smooth Vaati voice for that ๐
atomic tree
Also I'm SUPER lazy
jagged crater
Or whatever those programs are called
dreamy rose
has anything interesting been found on the terminals?
i think something could be hidden within
guess i know where ill sink a few hours into xD
jagged crater
Prob some Easter egg
atomic tree
Not as far as I know. But I mean I guess someone could spend a day or two and type in hidden commands ๐
dreamy rose
if someone can carry me through the various levels towards the terminals xD im quite trash at the game currently
is there one in every level?
atomic tree
Yes, I'd recommend to do the one in A1, quite easy to get to
dreamy rose
well question is...are they always the same. What if every terminal has a secret...
welp
Thereยดs just one way to figure that out
jagged crater
When will devs add unlockable for like levels and stuff weapons and tools specifically
atomic tree
Boring answer: When it's ready ๐
jagged crater
Lol
atomic tree
They have a roadmap and working on it. But they refrain using dates generally
dreamy rose
good choice tbh
atomic hound
I had a thought: What if, lore-wise, in this first Rundown we don't have E-Tier missions because The Warden doesn't have access to Section E and it is all for the purpose of investigating a possible pathway there from Section D. Would explain where the "pathway out" in Section D is going to because I really doubt there's going to be a pathway out of The Complex itself nearly a whole-ass kilometre underground.
Which begs the question; Just what the hell is in Section E and what the hell happened over there that even The Warden has lost contact with it, and has us jump through hoops in each Section to potentially regain contact with it through Section D?
atomic tree
It have its up and downsides.
jagged crater
I am kinda glad they did not do a class based system for loadouts
atomic tree
@atomic hound Lab and research facility is my guess ๐
@jagged crater Yeah, those system can have some pitfalls, especially in game like this, where everyone have to improvise a lot.
harsh spoke
@atomic tree Hold on, I don't follow
"Only liberal take on this is that I say Warden is more of an initiative or a sister company to Santonian Industries, due to the information that can be found in the C levels and D level."
How does that imply that the Warden is a sister company?
jagged crater
Yea it seem like a easy mechanic to add to the game but itโs kinda getting stale since many games does that
atomic tree
@harsh spoke Because we know that Santonian Industries is a mining company/investment group.
harsh spoke
We're not even sure the Warden is working for a company though
harsh spoke
For all we know a government or international organization (like WHO) is behind it
atomic tree
Well, we know there is Warden-themed doors on the lower levels, so they have a deep involvement to the project
harsh spoke
Hold on, what?
@atomic hound You're right on the money. Something tells me that the hole only goes so deep (perhaps not much further than Section D) and thus we needed to find an exit/entry point to the lower regions
jagged crater
Itโs probably the main research lab
atomic tree
Sorry shoddy quality, but a door like this is found on level C2 and D1 ๐
stone vine
What are you guys tryna figure out rn
atomic tree
Just @harsh spoke asked why/how I came to the conclusion that Warden have a deeper involvement to the complex and ain't an outside organization, trying to probe the facility after the fall of the complex.
stone vine
Yeah they def have a deep meaning
harsh spoke
I know the door you're referencing, but how does it relate to the warden
atomic tree
stone vine
Yea
gloomy lotus
Bro
stone vine
It unlocked a lot of stuff for us
That's how we think warden is AI
Plus the injection
harsh spoke
It's a bit wierd though that it's constantly injecting and breaking the security measures instead of doing it properly thoug
Considering if it's deeply ingrained in the facility's systems it should just have access
stone vine
Its injecting parts of itself most likely
It's possible we are chipped
That's how we get our objective
atomic tree
Again, we got send down to shut down a nuclear reactor, so I guess the Warden was pressed for time ๐
gloomy lotus
I don't know enough about System Shock to make a reference but maybe an idea behind the AI?
harsh spoke
Well if I had to guess, it's standard AI failsafe
You design AI to maximally require hard input from a human
atomic tree
Also don't assume the Warden is 100% AI, it might just be an OS system controlled by other
stone vine
Yeah
harsh spoke
Well I was saying that the Warden can't just be allowed to open every door without hard input from a human
stone vine
We need to know who that person or entity is
harsh spoke
Sounds incredibly unsafe
stone vine
Yeah, I think Warden was a backup AI
harsh spoke
That to me is why we have those security bubbles
stone vine
To run the facility under maximum emergency
It explains the reactors
And the doors to the reactors
atomic tree
atomic tree
I am putting my money on a group of people.
dreamy rose
im gonna get to the bottom of this
atomic tree
Santonian Industries is an Investment Group, so they wouldn't leave the complex to itself after the fall.
stone vine
Yes, they refer to warden being a group, because want would refer to multiple
dreamy rose
even if it means sitting multiple hours at the terminal
atomic hound
Though we're not running down to the reactor in D1 to shut it down due to an impending meltdown or something, we're doing it in order to cause a powergrid failure that will unlock a certain pathway out of Section D to somewhere. (Section E most likely)
atomic tree
So I'm thinking Warden is an OS, run by a team from Santonian Industries.
They want to salvage the complex and hopefully retake it for themeselves
stone vine
Yeah I'm thinking that too
jagged crater
Yโall talking about warden but who are the prisoners
stone vine
We dont know, possibly researchers
Warden couldve used infected researchers because we dont know the outside predicament rn
jagged crater
They canโt be normal prisoners since they are well trained
atomic tree
โThe characters of GTFO are forced down into The Complex every day in order to carry out different objectives for The Warden. You are allowed to keep what you scavenge and what the wardens do not want.โ - Simon Viklund in a GTFO documentary."
stone vine
Exactly
They probably knew stuff from the facility and that's why they knew
Warden couldnt take it away from them
gloomy lotus
I am starting to put the idea together thanks to you guys.
atomic hound
We can't keep anything that we scavenge post-mission, so I guess the wardens must really want our glowsticks
jagged crater
If only they reveal our characters backstory
stone vine
Np
atomic tree
I think the "prisoners" is just what Santonian Industries seems as a threat to their business (we know Bishop is affiliated with them).
So whistleblowers and such.
stone vine
We know bishop knows a lot
That might mean that he and maybe they were high ranking
Unless there were other run downs before a1
And they knew from there
atomic tree
I think Rundown 1 is our first delve down to the Complex.
atomic hound
The memories might also just be various pieces from the unfortunate sods who were there when the shit was hitting the fan, injected to us via the Cortex Interface. Or from other prisoners that didn't make it, with us being the successful party as we learned from their mistakes in a way.
weak jewel
Based on the HSU missions, I think that the characters that you play as are clones
atomic hound
Could also be a side-effect of the Cortex Interface injection, with memories from other prisoners being leftovers in the Interface.
An unintentional side-effect even
atomic tree
That theory have been brought up a couple of times, but I don't think we plays as clones.
If you could clone people, why send 4 down at a time? Why not counter-swarm the place? ๐
stone vine
Mhm that makes me think how many people they have
If they had outside people then they would send them down as masses seing how many there are
But it seems they can only send limited ammounts
atomic hound
And you run the risk of inflating the Infected numbers possibly far out of control by swarming the facility
atomic tree
Well, I think it is a balance of wanting to save money and the difficult entrance point.
I know gameplay wise, you face small waves, but you wouldn't risk alerting too much, which have greater odds of doing so.
stone vine
Yeah that's a good point
atomic tree
Also why send down 50 men if 4 can do the job? That is how you are money efficient
atomic hound
We're a small, disposable fireteam that wouldn't have too much of an effect if lost or worse, converted.
stone vine
It also makes me wonder why so many died, and our characters can do the whole thing
Are we special in some crazy way
Do we know something more
atomic tree
Also I don't think you get anyone to go down there voluntarily, so if you only have a limited number of prisoners, you wanna be smart about your "resources"
stone vine
Yeah that's true
atomic tree
And you don't wanna hire outside help if you have some shady shit down there.
stone vine
No one will ever know this happened if we keep it contained
atomic tree
Exactly
stone vine
Unless there are more spots like this around the place
This facility could be huge
There could be more, but idk
dreamy rose
it seems to be the most important one
atomic tree
Hardly think so, as the trailer made it clear of a certain location. Ofc it doesn't rule out other locations, but on a story telling level it would a bad thing to convey it like that then.