A lotnof developers don't quite get degradation over time right. Cases in point, Nier Automata and Dead Space 3
#gtfo-lore
opaque pond
The facility on Tau Volantis is allegedly 300 years abandoned. Lights still work perfectly fine. Machinery is great unless plot requires otherwise
In Nier, way too much of the city is still standing
last saffron
Dead Space had ships ripping planets apart so i wouldnt put it past them to make things to last
glad shore
That’s true. I do notice that the more you go down, the more degraded the place seems at times. More damage to walls and such. The ceiling caved in at one point in C.
last saffron
Markers also serve as infinite power sources as part of their lure, which can explain why stuff works
especially since volantis is chock full of "original" markers
dead space stuff was really funky
which is why i still hate 3
opaque pond
2 is the best
But anyway 5, I feel like they're going to 'polish' the decay more over time
glad shore
You know, we may be seeing the “best possible” facility at the moment not because it’s intact everywhere, but because the warden is picking the least likeliest places to cave in on our heads.
We might see those later though. Warden wants to open the place up, not have it shut down forever cause we died in a freak industrial accident. Killing us is what the infected are for.
last saffron
not sure since according to D1, there might not be a list to select from
glad shore
Weird...
glad shore
All things considered, glad they did. At least the infected are thinner...
opaque pond
Wait til we start seeing leaks and puddles... and live, naked electrical lines
last saffron
inb4 it actually got worse because of the commotion drawing more in
glad shore
Fair point.
prime silo
We haven't seen them besides when they spawn in right?
last saffron
they only appear once you shut off the lights yea
last saffron
while i understand its for gameplay reason, i like to think its related to their deviation
light exposes them so theyre most comfortable in pure darkness
glad shore
It seems likely. The warden knew there would be a high casualty rate.
last saffron
id enjoy shadows being able to spawn in pitch black areas of the map, albeit it might be cheap
glad shore
I think they’re better suited to how they’re used now. If there is no light, they hunt.
glad shore
So setup stages where you have to activate the lights before entering a zone, and maintain the power grid.
If you don’t...
cerulean forum
awaiting for the shadows to rule the zone so the hunt may begin
last saffron
that be nice interactivity
cerulean forum
that woul be cool
last saffron
ive been trying to design a host which would spawn from a malfunctioning HSU, just trying to flesh it out
cerulean forum
imagine if it went pitch black
last saffron
i came up with its design based on how corpses turn if left in water for too long, because gross is good
random power outages
last saffron
and you hear screams in the distance
cerulean forum
escape them
glad shore
To get further you have to turn some lights off.
Cause the grid can sustain only so much.
Hope the devs are listening to this!
prime silo
You'd have to put it in #gtfo-game-suggestions
last saffron
a system where hosts interact with eachother in some form of hierarchy sounds neat, could be too complex to execute and conflict with what Simon has written
spice cobalt
Trust me, the Dev's are watching and Listenening.
We have a LORE tab to a reason ^__^
prime silo
I think its to discuss lore.
arctic chasm
should make those heartbeat things just run at us and scrape our faces out instead of shooting homing missles at us lol
prime silo
The shooters?
arctic chasm
yeah
tall anchor
spice cobalt
Hey, I'm looking through the computer on A1, and I'm seeing a variety of HSU units. Some normal, some Deactivated and others Malfunctioning. More peoples.
lilac island
Do we know anything about stuff on the surface? Like what year we're in, where we are in the world, have these weird monsters spread from the complex out into the world or maybe this is the last place they've come to?
prime silo
We know where we are!
cerulean forum
@lilac island we are located in mexico
cerulean forum
where we are located
spice cobalt
In a Crater supposedly that wiped the dinosaurs out 66 million years ago
cerulean forum
somewhere in Chicxulub Crater
and year unknown all we do know its beyond 2020
also btw @lilac island look in pinned messages theres a presentation listing everything we DO know
lilac island
Ooh thank you for that!
iron wagon
So the facility is built underground, and the wardens cage system that drops us down is right over a hole leading down into the facility, also pointing out that the hole looks like something broke up out of the facility
lilac island
Possibly a cave in?
iron wagon
Wouldn't be a cave in, when you drop down you can see the layers of the facility and the edges around the hole are bent upwards, I'd think either an explosion, or something very big digging its way out
lime ginkgo
it was a giant death worm
iron wagon
Possibly, you never know
As far as these monsters work they are mostly found in a dormant state
lilac island
I wonder why random civs with re-purposed gear are being sent down and not experienced people.
iron wagon
So we could be coming in after everything has gone to shit
lilac island
That'd make Sense with what I just said
iron wagon
Well we are prisoners sent down by an Ai, we're expendable
lilac island
Ya I know that
cerulean forum
@iron wagon never said the warden is an AI
Plz dont spread fake news as its not been confirmed
lilac island
Also true
iron wagon
Well thats just my opinion, its what I read on the wiki, with the possibility of it being an Ai
cerulean forum
prisoners are being sent with shit gear because we are cheap theres alot of us
and they can just keep piling the bodys
and yea its an opinion please be sure to everytime state that its only a theory/opinion as people tend to take stuff seriously just like when the EA was going to be released people were speculating and started stating it like a fact as what u were just doing
when it was far from the truth
iron wagon
Yeah sure thing
As I stated, seems like they'd rather send in people who are expendable and of low importance on suicide missions rather than expensive highly trained personnel
I would also like to point out that the transmissions we receive before we go down into that hole are from the surface
prime silo
They are?
lilac island
So we're assuming that real life right now is similar to the life on the surface in GTFO. Which is why they'd use prisoners against their will?
iron wagon
Something like that
prime silo
I thought it was just the transmissions they received from the surface.
cerulean forum
well the GTFO facility Looks shady as fuck and verymuch illegal so wouldnt be far off the mark since they are using prisioners as fodder wich would likely mean they are ALSO used to doing such things
iron wagon
And yes why it says, end of surface transmission at the end, whether that be directly from the surface or from the warden we have yet to find out.
prime silo
I'd go check but I don't want to restart my C2 run.
Can someone screenshot the intro bit?
iron wagon
If you hover over the missions I think you can read the transmissions
prime silo
I can't do that right now.
lilac island
Ya you can
prime silo
I'm not restarting a C2 solo run to take a screenshot. 😆
iron wagon
Where should I post the screen shot?
stark furnace
i dont see the "join from clipboard"
prime silo
You have to copy a code. Anyway, this is the wrong room for that. You want #gtfo-technical-support or #gtfo-related-questions
lilac island
When you start the game it says something about neurally connecting. Then when you die, the connection is lost. Is it possible we, the player, is annother prisoner that is controlling annother person (like vr but real life)?
lilac island
Also, when you start thr game, you have to allow something to neurally connect you to the interface. We also are able to SEE our characters, so unless they have a camera on us to watch ourselves..
iron wagon
The theory of our characters being clones has been brought up, would explain by we are collecting samples from HSUs, but mostly a variety, depending on missions, possibly also to gather information
smoky lion
or the neural link could simply be how the warden keeps track of the players
make sure they don't try to escape or sabotage things
lilac island
That's only if WE are the warden.
iron wagon
I can post that screen shot here right?
smoky lion
not really it just means the warden can see what we see
lilac island
At yhe start it explains that us, the user with their username, has their own stats and has an infection rate of some sort. Would the warden have that? (not imo)
smoky lion
and possibly kill players who attempt any shenanigans.
Ima destroy the reactor screw you! warden nope you dead, click*.
iron wagon
Im curious on what would happen if you tried to initiate a self destruct on that reactor
iron wagon
True
Would be interesting, seeing the warden shut down the neural link on prisoners who try and do stuff they aren't supposed to
smoky lion
also the neural link can simply be the heads up display we see
hence why players can see AR argumented reality
iron wagon
Possibly, yes, as well as tracking enemies on your hub with the bio tracker
iron wagon
Doubles as a heads up display and stat tracker
prime silo
They come from below.
smoky lion
haven't seen anything on the celling's yet
iron wagon
Also with these monsters, the infection seems to be mostly spores, or something along those lines. Have we had any missions on the lowest level yet?
iron wagon
Past D1
iron wagon
Least for right now, also we haven't seen anything looking like a hive or nesting area, and we know the deeper we go the worse it gets, possibly on that lowest level is a nesting ground?
cerulean forum
No clue
iron wagon
Yeah D is the lowest we’re getting sent in so far
iron wagon
Interesting, I’m curious on seeing if the infection will turn some of the facility walls into biomass for a hive of sorts
Least on the lowest depth
prime silo
You've done C2 right?
iron wagon
Not yet, gonna try and get there today
vagrant lynx
dont look up while running c2 😖
cerulean forum
You should be
opaque pond
Always do what they say not to do
iron wagon
Yeah we can kinda see what happened when they didn't follow they're own rules
cyan bobcat
What’s up with C2?
cerulean forum
C2 scary
cyan bobcat
Why is it scary?
cyan bobcat
I mean me and my crack team can’t even get past the first level of the rundown
cerulean forum
mate YOU GUYS STILL NOT DONE?
cyan bobcat
We got fucked right at the warden scan
cerulean forum
u guys still 3 man?
cyan bobcat
We had a 4 man, but someone had to go right before we collected the biosample
silk pasture
sad one fr
cerulean forum
righto
cyan bobcat
Is C2 much different from A?
cerulean forum
lol
stable urchin
@cyan bobcat you con get fucked later on
lost ore
someone gift me the game 😦
queen onyx
Why would you ask that in the lore channel
static dune
lol
light ermine
I just read the "lore" of the characters and it gives me a vibe like R6
real shuttle
this is my theory, the game is set in the Chicxulub crater in Mexico, when the meteor hit it brought a parasitic fungi down to earth with it, the fungi grew in the crater, and it was discovered in 2016 during expedition 364, during the expedition they found the fungi while drilling for pink granite and gypsum, one of the workers was infected with it, a lab was built in the crater to research and contain the fungi, but one day there is a containment breach and all the scientists are either killed or infected. Prisoners are sent in to try and take control over the situation, they are sent there because they are expendable and no one cares about them because they are criminals.
it has a couple holes in it but thats what i got
unreal wind
i like it exccept not scientest or lab
it seems like the miners hit it first then the first sets of scientest came in
and thats the hsu's
and the prisioners are prisioners of the gov(warden)
and the warden wants to use it not cure it
real shuttle
use it as a weapon?
unreal wind
kind of more like a rebirth for society resident evil style
and the warden is like the scientest who infected himself to gain its power
cerulean forum
@real shuttle goos theory except I believe it was buried within the meteor like a alien biowep/virus/parasite infected with various alien stuff and like alien it affects us differently/creates other mutations depending on what it is
there was growling in the trailer so maybe a gaint creature that infects us one way or another
unreal wind
mabye the warden is the creature?
fast harness
what if the warden is an alien AI made to combat this bacterial/viral/fungal whatever the fuck?
static dune
but then why would it use human subjects to fight it?
why wouldnt the aliens use advanced technology to fight it?
dark seal
laziness?
static dune
but if The Warden is advanced as it is
and is alien tech
im sure they have enough technology to wipe them out in 1 hit
dark seal
so, they allowed the infection of a lot scientists to find out more about the virus just to get killed in 1 blow?
sounds like genocide to me
barren rover
The sheer scald if the facility implies several things:
- It's in the middle of nowhere
- It was most likely created by a major government, US, Russia, China, etc
Further the facility seems to be built underground, why? Was it originally designed to contain secrets?
dark seal
1stly, no. It's located in the middle of a crater near mexico. (the game devs gave a small hint in a post of theirs with the coordinates of the fictional facility)
barren rover
Also, excavating such a large space would take huge amiuts of effort, ita possible the facility was built into an existing cave system
Huh, well there ya go
dark seal
it was basically built within the impact zone of a cosmic object
which, in terms of infrastructure, seems quite dumb
barren rover
Presumably something was uried deep beneath the crater?
dark seal
because the ground next to the zone can be extremely brittle
don't think so. I mean, there is an opening which implies capsule transportation
barren rover
So they dug out the facility to get to it, then discover it was dangerous, sealed it off, and built a facility to monitor it
dark seal
better question: Why not try to develop a cure? rather than anihilating it? Or even better exterminate all the dangerous life forms within the facility
barren rover
They presumably have scientific value
dark seal
yeah but what if the disease becomes fully airborne?
barren rover
Also, the opening of the game implies that the player characters shouldnt be brought out due to trauma the Warden overrules themx meaning they are desparate and that they act without a great deal of oversight
dark seal
I mean, it has one hell of a massive opening. So that means that there may be some air currents flowing in and out
barren rover
There definitely would be, if its airborne its getting out, but airborne pathogens can usually only teavel so far. If the facility is far enough from a town the risk of spreading would be there but wouldnt be incredibly high
dark seal
But, speaking of the facility. I don't think it was build after the impact
I think it was built before (which implies alien technology)
I mean, the meteor is still in there right?
somewhere deep
barren rover
Possible, but everything looks to human, there could be more alien stuff deeper down though
dark seal
maybe they weren't that complex back then
barren rover
And theybused concrete and steel? I'm not so sure about that theory
dark seal
I mean sure, extract DNA, security scans, turn on massive reactors
yeah, this game's lore is quite confusing
we have a massive hole in the facility
but the technology is from modern days
or, maybe another thing hit the same spot?
asteroids? comets?
or a chemical warfare (quite impossible, no normal explosion could deal so much damage, unless it's a balistic / nuclear missile.)
yet either that theory doesn't sound too plausible
I mean, nuclear explosions? That whole complex would be completely erased
but @barren rover one thing caught my attention. Judging by the metal spikes next to each hole from each floor (the iron bars that look like ribs) it appears that the explosion happened below the facility
which either means, volcanic activity (highly doubt it) or human error (reactor meltdown, some weird explosion pointed upwards)
worn dune
But its such a tight hole
last saffron
there are no volcanoes where chicxculub fell. A reactor meltdown wouldnt really have a nice round hole with spikes jutting upwards and an explosion strong enough to force every level outwards would collapse the entire facility
worn dune
Surely an explosion wouldn't have created a perfect vertical shaft
Its like a solid object was ejected vertically at high speed
minor flame
It's possible that the truth might come to light when we are able to go deeper than "Deeper"
worn dune
Theres still the "E" sectors
last saffron
No object would be able to really breach that far up due to the fact before said hole was made the complex was filling it. It would gradually lose momentum after the first layer it struck and just fall back down
minor flame
Maybe something larger than anything we have seen, maybe the big daddy of the infected
worn dune
But wouldn't that imply that it reached the surface?
Since the hole goes all the way up?
minor flame
In a way yes but maybe that's why we need to go back down
to try and find a way to get rid of it
last saffron
A living mass that large would require insane amounts of energy to exist, let alone move. Its why we dont have giant things in life ' v'
if not energy then gravity itself would rend it apart
worn dune
Well
last saffron
the tunnel itself looks like it sort of, was there before. a drill wouldnt really leave it so rough
worn dune
The size of living things is typically correlated with the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere
How could the tunnel be there before?
last saffron
worn dune
It goes right through the middle of rooms
last saffron
the complex was potentially built starting from it, if we were to guess
lilac island
This sounds like the plot of Doom.
worn dune
And the floor is damaged near the tunnel
lilac island
GTFO is Doom, change my mind.
last saffron
start at a wall, dig inwards, proceed to other sides
B2 has it like that a bit if you look down
worn dune
Why is the floor damaged then?
last saffron
because they built the complex over the hole as i was saying
not just at the sides
we originally though it was like, main elevator
until B
static dune
but that must be incorrect
worn dune
Okay, but isnt the floor still damaged on D1?
static dune
as all levels have metal supports sticking out of it pointing upwards
indicating something definitely went through it
worn dune
Yeah, exactly my thought
minor flame
Unless the hole was a mass vent of some kind that went throughout the rooms and something happened to make it explode
worn dune
Good point
static dune
an explosion wouldnt make such a clean hole
minor flame
You can have an explosion start from the base
lilac island
This was clearly a mining expedition.
worn dune
What if it was a tunnel full of explosive gas
lilac island
Mining expedition, they found some shit.
last saffron
it would require an insane amount of energy to reach a kilometer up and have same effect
worn dune
That ruptured all along the length of it
last saffron
it would cave in the place
worn dune
Shaped charges?
static dune
thats a lot of explosives though
worn dune
True
static dune
it would be a waste
lilac island
Hell fits with the general subtext. Prisoners. A descent into a huge hole.
last saffron
would be weird too
lilac island
Gross demon people.
minor flame
The virus acts like a cancer that grows and forms
static dune
the infection has started from 1 of 2 ways imo
- the infection was made
or 2. it was/is an alien infection
lilac island
Why would it be in a giant hole if it was made.
I think it's probably more likely there was something terrestrial in the hole that they found.
Like virus-in-ice scenario.
last saffron
i wouldnt really call it cancer, cancer is your cells going absolute haywire
lilac island
Hell still fits with subtext better.
static dune
they could have gone down there and reutilized the complex, made the virus, and boom, here we are
that facility can still function fine with that hole there
worn dune
I think the fact that the facility is located in the crater of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs implies its some alien virus
last saffron
ehhh
lilac island
I don't think so at all.
last saffron
the irl expedition went there already, theres some funky stuff
lilac island
I think it's in a crater because craters are just deep.
I think it was originally terrestrial, just way down there.
last saffron
they dug roughly 1.3km deep and found some neat stuff
worn dune
Dont drag real life into this man
last saffron
the impact itself caused stuff which only forms deep inside to surface, pink granite as example
its relevant due to location
or rather coordinates pointing at it
static dune
you have a point which correlates to something else
worn dune
Sure, but that has nothing to do with whether there was a space borne pathogen present
static dune
we are already in an expedition thats 840+ meters deep
last saffron
we dont know if its space borne
lilac island
There's no reason to think it's from space other than > a crater
static dune
yeah but the way they are mutated
last saffron
we dont really know what it is at all until audio/text logs are in
worn dune
Yeah but that's kind of a glaring detail
static dune
it clearly shows alien stuff
lilac island
It's more likely something terrestrial can usefully mutate terrestrial life to its bidding.
Alien virus would probably just kill shit.
Where's the alien stuff.
minor flame
The virus itself is still a major unknown and could be a mixture of things such as humans playing with alien things and then this shit becoming a virus
last saffron
are they though
worn dune
They seem pretty fucking alive to me
static dune
yes
lilac island
You're kinda missing the point.
An alien virus wouldn't be adapted to controlling Earth lifeforms.
static dune
no
last saffron
you can find corpses mid change but that doesnt really make them dead
worn dune
And humans might have messed with it and modified it
static dune
^
last saffron
i feel Simon is better than generic spooky company trifling plot #2235
lilac island
Hell still fits better in the subtext. You're a prisoner. You descend into a hole. Hole is deep. Whole mythological lore around hell, implying weird virus-demon-things existed before.
worn dune
Ever notice how the security doors never match the rest of the facility and how they dont have the mining company logo on them? Almost like they were added afterwards.
static dune
quarantine
thats what the doors are for
its obvious
a mining expo doesnt need that level of security
worn dune
Well depends what they're mining
minor flame
Unless they knew
lilac island
They're not useful for quarantine.
last saffron
my workplace had security checks and we had the most menial things ever.
worn dune
Say gold or other rare elements
worn dune
The white doors
static dune
SECURITY
worn dune
The indestructible ones
static dune
the big fucking blue ones
with bio scanners
they are half a meter thick
what mining expo needs that?
worn dune
Ones that are mining a fuckload of gold or platinum
static dune
but how does that have to corelate to it being so thick?
lilac island
Why wouldn't you make every door 3ft thick if you're dealing with zombie-demons.
static dune
with bio scanners
worn dune
Because thats what the manufacturer was selling?
static dune
because some of the doors were added before hand
last saffron
theyre not zombies. ill have to mention it over and over dont i
static dune
hence the shitty little ones
worn dune
I dont know man, i dont design this shit
static dune
well your hell-"zombie-demon" theory is far from convincing
lilac island
You could use security doors for any number of things.
worn dune
I do agree though that its likely they were added afterwards
lilac island
Nah, bro. Listen. Subtext of the game, as far as we know it: you're prisoners. You're descending into a hole. This is hell symbolism out the wazoo.
static dune
you dont use a security door for mining
spice cobalt
Its a Crater
static dune
its designed to SECURE things
spice cobalt
We are in a Crater
worn dune
Symolism isnt the same as plot
lilac island
You're in a hole.
last saffron
hell isnt a kilometer deep underground.
lilac island
Craters are holes.
worn dune
Just because its symbolic of a descent into hell doesnt mean we're literally going to hell
static dune
^
minor flame
The hell theory seems a bit far fetched
lilac island
Sure, but I think it does make the likelihood of the 'virus' being terrestrial far more likely
Which is what I'm arguing.
last saffron
why would hell have viruses
static dune
also
another thing to think about
GTFO is supposed to be different
why copy Doom?
worn dune
We have no reason to believe that the monster's cause isnt rooted in science
lilac island
Symbolism bruh, it's not literal. But it would break the symbolism to assume it's alien.
Possession is virus-like.
last saffron
possession is an entirely different thing
lilac island
Yikes.
last saffron
a virus isnt an evil entity. it literally needs living beings to exist. its not a spooky spirit floating about
worn dune
Yeah, im not arguing this anymore
spice cobalt
It seems intended XD
static dune
it wasnt tho lmao
lilac island
Nah, dude. I think you just don't understand what demons or possession or what any of these words mean outside a secular idea of 'paranormal'.
last saffron
i n t e r n e t f i g h t
static dune
lmao
spice cobalt
Keep it civil guys
worn dune
sigh
lilac island
When are we getting official lore.
weary idol
Ah the lore channel is exploding again
lilac island
I'll just show up to say I told you so later.
minor flame
Never
last saffron
the meat pile is dissapointed
minor flame
mmmm Juicy
last saffron
so is bitey.
worn dune
Also whay about the giant flesh blob in C2?
last saffron
second one was behind a sec door if i remember
spice cobalt
I have not done any C levels
last saffron
supposedly chicxulub crater
spice cobalt
Chuluxub
last saffron
the trailer coordinates point at it
spice cobalt
Or something. In mexico
lilac island
So that is pretty official?
last saffron
just to make sure, this channel will be spoiler heavy, the warning is in pinned messages so view at your own risk
crimson raven
Chickensoup createt
last saffron
gona post this once in a while
crimson raven
Chickensoup crater
worn dune
Other fun tidbit
You guys notice the remains scattered around thats just clothes and a head?
minor flame
Ye
last saffron
sometimes its a leg, or an arm. in alpha if memory serves me right i found an entire torso, pants included
minus the legs sadly
worn dune
What the fuck cuts off the head and cleanly undresses its victim?
minor flame
Hey, the creatures need to have fun
last saffron
theyre generally funky with corpses really
worn dune
Like the fact that the clothes arent torn to shreds interests me
last saffron
they cant be too old either due to the fact complex has stood abandoned for years
(as simon says in documentary)
exact quote is a bit..vague.
"many many years"
worn dune
They could be people from hydrostasis units
last saffron
everyone in HSU so far has splithead syndrome, i dont know if its a placeholder or just to have a shape for you to see there
lilac island
So is there anything official about this being a virus
static dune
i have another theory for the lore
worn dune
Its the leading theory
spice cobalt
Shot Zha
worn dune
Nothing official yet
spice cobalt
The Dinos
last saffron
say hi to fat larry
static dune
yes
lilac island
What's the theory of the virus based on
worn dune
Well the impact wiped the dinos
last saffron
this is basically whats in HSU atm
lilac island
None of the creatures wear clothes.
static dune
66mil years later
lilac island
Do they?
worn dune
No
last saffron
corpses do, hosts dont
spice cobalt
Extinction possibility
static dune
^
lilac island
Alright I don't think it's a virus, tbh.
static dune
my point exactly
lilac island
Virus causes infected to take off clothes?
last saffron
you can find their uniforms scattered about, sometimes partially, sometimes full suits
yes
worn dune
Well
worn dune
late stage hypothermia actually causes people to paradoxically undress themselves
So its not unheard of
lilac island
Makes more sense to eat around clothes than a virus causing people to take off theirs.
last saffron
it depends what it does. the reason why the take clothes off could be same reason why they react to light.
minor flame
Maybe the people just accepted their fate and took off their clothes out of respect
last saffron
Think of it as having anything on causes them severe irritation
worn dune
No, ive found uniforms and a head lying next to each other in such a way as to imply the guy was wearing it
lilac island
Yeah but if you're infected, assuming this is like zombie-physics and a bite causes infection, then you're not going to have a long period where you lose your mind and take off your clothes.
Also ... I mean, they don't pass infection to players.
last saffron
its implied were already infected
spice cobalt
Indeed
lilac island
Implied how
worn dune
Thats not true
spice cobalt
When you start up your Player stuff you are said yo have an infection level
worn dune
They do pass infection
last saffron
worn dune
In the end mission report it says infection level
lilac island
Hmm, yeah.
lilac island
Yet it never seems to effect the players. Which is weird.
worn dune
Does thay imply thay the 4 characters you play as are remote controlling peoples bodies?
last saffron
ehh
worn dune
I mean
static dune
it might be a chip implanted into us monitoring us
worn dune
The trailer narration can be interpreted that way
As he talks about dreaming and whatnot
last saffron
possible but not only boring but also removes any sort of risk
Dauda seems to be referring to the infected from the full quote
worn dune
Not if they feel pain
last saffron
(its daudas VA talking)
worn dune
All the horrors of dying without actually being able to be killed
last saffron
your puppet feeling pain is still just your puppet, also pain is a very important factor in maintaining your body
last saffron
well, once you bleed out yes
worn dune
Torture victims would probably dissagree
But once they die they just get transferred to a new body and the cycle repeats
Like
last saffron
the problem is, if your operator just gets out into a new body every single time, you are no longer capable of failing. Oh operators didnt handle it and perished from stress? Martin, fetch me a new batch of nobodies
also do they just give Dauda a new black guy each time
worn dune
It seems weird that when you start the game all the personal data is randomized but you're always the same 4 people
last saffron
for now it feels like its there just for flavor text really, in future it could serve some function like being postgame stats as someone proposed
it even gives you useless stuff like water quality
splish splash i was taking a HSU
worn dune
Maybe but it seems like an odd touch to me
lilac island
... Y'know, whatever it is it seems adapted for living underground. Poor eye-sight. Only reacts to bright-light. Mostly relies on sound.
worn dune
But this is pretty early in development so it might just be stylization
last saffron
most of them dont have eyes anymore. by eyes i mean 99% of hosts currently ingame
last saffron
Bullrush strikers however do have functioning, pitch black eyeballs
worn dune
So yeah
lilac island
They're somehow photosensitive tho because react to flashlights
lilac island
But they're definitely adapted to living underground.
last saffron
Bullrush strikers are the spiked ones at C2 to clear confusion
dont remember if C1 has them
worn dune
Nope just C2
last saffron
as for light, there are conditions making natural light literally impossible to handle withour burning up
worn dune
Thats my thought
terse acorn
i mean instead of minds put in bodies, it could be clones which is why they are have random infection levels
worn dune
Good point
lilac island
It could be a skin photosensitivity thing.
last saffron
a clone wouldnt have its originals personality
terse acorn
which is why the characters freak out
verbal sedge
@last saffron actually thats wrong
terse acorn
if they clones believed them to be the orginal and have the memories out then they can
verbal sedge
a clone would have exactly the personality of its original it just wont change like the original wouldve
worn dune
You get a bunch of clones made and then remote control them
last saffron
how do you know that
verbal sedge
basic logic?
last saffron
we have no idea how consciousness works really.
verbal sedge
its a clone
worn dune
A biological clone doesnt work that way
terse acorn
they said its not 100 percent based on real life stuff soo
lilac island
Are they using their intestines as a tongue.
worn dune
Yeah bilogical coloning is like havung an identical twin, you're not both the same person
lilac island
Is that what's happening.
last saffron
The problem with meat puppets and clones is that youre making a dark souls scenario without the same way dark souls justified it. You will win no matter what, but it all will be for nothing.
lilac island
Their intestines turn into a long, weird tongue
last saffron
its also an incredible resource sink
terse acorn
also we basing every thing on our realties logic it might completely different in gtfo logic
verbal sedge
i thought synthetics
last saffron
Warden can grow dozens of clones, but cant supply them for some reason
lilac island
last saffron
thats the early tendril design
verbal sedge
im pretty sure their insides are completely different to humans
worn dune
What do you mean cant supply clones?
terse acorn
also the clones could have mind implants
verbal sedge
i doubt anything remained from thier humanity
last saffron
as in cant supply properly
worn dune
They do have mind implants
Thats what those Cortex Implants are
And why when you die
It says cortex signal lost
Implying remote control
last saffron
cortex is your ultimate processor, but it doesnt control all the stuff
terse acorn
i think thats from the wardens perspective
terse acorn
also why keep prisoners in a hsu, that defeats the point of a prison
verbal sedge
theres a constant camera-like effect
last saffron
i dont think your characters dying is "canon" considering the story wants to focus on our 4
worn dune
No? That makes perfect sense
verbal sedge
i think we are seeing the game from Warden perspective
terse acorn
good point
worn dune
They're stuck in an HSU so they cant leave. Thats literally imprisonment
verbal sedge
wouldve been cool
last saffron
a result of a grapgical thing theyre trying to fix
terse acorn
not if they are a sleep
worn dune
What does being asleep have to do with being imprisoned?
Are you not in jail when you goto bed?
last saffron
well, if were going by Law definition, you wouldnt want your prisoner stuck.
Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate. unless youre in US and youre just stuck with a life sentence for stealing 9 dollars
Prisoner however, has more than one definition ' v'
terse acorn
or britain for owning a butter knife
last saffron
in our case its less to do with actual prison, but more the fact youre being bereft of freedom
lemme find it..
lilac island
SIMON VIKLUND
Squat Guru / Bard and Conjurer of Sonic Doom
Here's the man we need to bother.
Wrote the story
worn dune
Yeah it seems weird that we never find any other prisoners who failed to conplete the warden's tasks
last saffron
a person legally committed to prison as a punishment for a crime or while awaiting trial.
"a prisoner serving a life sentence"
a person captured and kept confined by an enemy or criminal.
"she may have been held prisoner before being killed"
a person who is or feels confined or trapped by a situation.
"he's become a prisoner of the publicity he's generated"
worn dune
Like we always finish a run on our first try and never die
terse acorn
yup
terse acorn
yeah but this is video game logic
last saffron
we dont get time frames on when other teams went in, they also couldve entered from a different point
worn dune
Eh
last saffron
since the hole actually has several parts of the complex exposed
worn dune
Maybe
last saffron
except B2 which has one other walkway
worn dune
Also why does C2 have a different extraction point
terse acorn
also it seems that where you come from is a big storage of hsus
worn dune
And whats up with those wierd doors at the end of C2, D1
last saffron
look at wardens thingy
terse acorn
look at the bot
last saffron
in discord
worn dune
Oh shit
Cool
So, whats up with those doors?
Why nit just normal security doors?
Whats so special about those areas?
verbal sedge
because someone wants a cool game machenic
lilac island
Have you guys seen the mini-documentary about making the game
last saffron
bug most likely
worn dune
Or a reference to the shadow monsters
Okay
D1 door has a reactor behind it
But theres no special door for the C1 reactor
And in C2 theres a door with only an extraction point behind it
last saffron
sometimes you want to mark areas to stand out. or could be just rule of cool
terse acorn
i mean looking at the holes theres 2 possibilities 1 that the complex was bulit because of the faciliy eg a salavaging site or the warden is in send us down to reclaim old parts of the base that was lost to those things
last saffron
"look at this shiny, whirly thing!"
dark seal
@last saffron maybe the explosion was a gamma ray burst
I mean, they never lose momentum
worn dune
Sure, but it seems too specific
lilac island
Why isn't the military involved. Or at least military-grade gear.
worn dune
Unknown
worn dune
But the prisoners only have access to surplus gear
last saffron
it wouldnt cause spikes to jut upwards im fairly certain
terse acorn
we do not anything about the inhame uni so we dont know about if there is a military
dark seal
yeah that's what I'm saying
terse acorn
they do
last saffron
by the way, the outside world is also a part of the mystery
there could be no military
worn dune
Yeah outside world could be fucked
last saffron
or sending a mass force would just do more harm than good
worn dune
Running rampant with the monsters
dark seal
it is almost a perfect round hole, but judging by the size of each hole, it appears that the explosion was not a perfect shaped one
worn dune
And we're looking for a cure
lilac island
They specify non-military gear in this video. If it's non-military gear, the military is unlikely to be involved
terse acorn
also it seems like the hole was just that of hap hazardily made suggesting a salavging site
dark seal
other smaller
last saffron
stuff we use is repurposed mining equipment. in future well be able to frankestein our guns too
lilac island
Even if it was so dangerous that they could only send in prisoners, they'd at least outfit them with gear that isn't garbage if military knew
worn dune
So it would make sense that they dug down to make the drop tunnel, but why do the spikes point upwards?
last saffron
i doubt all weapons we have is salvage
hammers are totally. one uses a crowbar as a handle
lilac island
I mean look at the armor tho
worn dune
Armor could easily be from the mines security force
lilac island
How hard would it really be to send people in with resistant armor. You're only dealing with tooth and claw.
last saffron
toolboxes and medkits arent unusual
worn dune
Especially if they were mining gold or platinum
terse acorn
again in these kind of realities its possible of a sec force or it made weaponry
last saffron
an armored west wouldnt stop you from getting gored
verbal sedge
but ammo stores for the supposed salvage weapons
last saffron
they can rip metal apart
so im fairly certain the sheer shock will break your bones
worn dune
Yeah they can get through non security doors easily
terse acorn
yeah like the doors
worn dune
Theyd mcfuck you up
lilac island
Yeah but if you're talking about military involvement they could easily engineer armor to resist the creatures
dark seal
Tho one thing confuses me about the scout . He has trendrills sensible to almost anything that is organic, yes? Now, how can that thing scream if it has no mouth carved, and even better. Checking the neck of the scout, there are no holes for any tendrills whatsoever
last saffron
if you get shot while in a bulletproof vest, youll still get pretty dazed
dark seal
^true
worn dune
Yeah, a swarm could easily tear you appart
terse acorn
its more like a pulse rather than a scream
dark seal
anti bullet vests protect you from bullets, but the pain is a killer
worn dune
And besides the military isnt involved so its a moot point
worn dune
We know they arent
lilac island
Alright, thanks.
last saffron
Bishop is implied to be with santonian, at least formerly
worn dune
Otherwise we'd have military gear
lilac island
lmao
worn dune
Good point
lilac island
Yeah I just went through this conversation.
terse acorn
que?
verbal sedge
i think Warden is active in secret
dark seal
@terse acorn yeah that too, but if it is a pulse, why does it produce a noise? You see, pulses are barely heard, if they're too high, the human ear cannot perceive it
terse acorn
again sci fi logic
worn dune
I dont think warden is an AI
dark seal
true
worn dune
I think its a person
last saffron
Woods.."found god"
and views the complex as purgatory
makes him the biggest weirdo of the week
verbal sedge
@last saffron you mean knows something from the trailer?
last saffron
Dauda is described as secretive
Dauda is determined, cunning and always has a solution at hand, but he is also very secretive. „
~ Simon Viklund
lilac island
... why no silencers.
last saffron
a silencer doesnt make your gun quiet.
terse acorn
to op
verbal sedge
silencers are trash at making your gun silent
dark seal
I think I know why there are no flame throwers in game: either too op, or they would spread the infection and even intensify it
last saffron
a shotgun with a supressor is 140 db.
static dune
and it removes the point of the game being hard
last saffron
thats enough to cause you pain.
terse acorn
also its salavge gear soo
verbal sedge
also you cant shoot it automatically or itll burst
last saffron
so no, supressors wont make you sneaky
verbal sedge
and the burst is going to be even louder
static dune
suppressors*
static dune
silencers dont exist
verbal sedge
@worn dune what makes you think that?
lilac island
You don't need to be silent
worn dune
Eh
worn dune
Uh, thats totally a thing
verbal sedge
the sound can be heard hundreds meters away
dark seal
@lilac island silencers do not work like in movies. Using one is like shooting with a german 9mm piston through a pillow. It would still aggro the sleepers
dark seal
yes but keep in mind that silencers reduce the aim
static dune
no, they dont
lilac island
Realistically it would still be a more limited aggro-draw.
last saffron
a flamer wouldnt work due to a few dangers, first being that the place is really cramped so youre likely to A) torch yourself, B) torch your oxygen
lilac island
Alright. Why not cross-bows.
lilac island
Why not just silent weapons
last saffron
A crossbow bolt wouldnt feel like itd do much
they can live without their apper halves
static dune
@lilac island it removes the point of the game being hard
worn dune
Also, suppressor + subsonic ammo = silencer
dark seal
@static dune sadly yes, using one reduce accuracy. The warmer the barrel, the higher the chances are that the bullet will no longer go for the aimed destination
take sniper rifles as an example
dark seal
spray bullets?
static dune
thats pointless
last saffron
what do you mean i cant pew pew
lilac island
The point I'm trying to make is for this to be believable whoever is supplying the prisoners has to be remarkably a) under-funded b) incompetent
last saffron
preposterous
dark seal
yeah, but guarantees hits
worn dune
Yeah, full auto with a silencer is pointless
dark seal
I mean, the minigun has a high recoil
worn dune
They're meant for semi auto fire
worn dune
Lol you cant fire a minigun handheld
dark seal
you'll see that it'll start aiming upwards if you hold fire
worn dune
Itd know you on your ass
lilac island
We seem to be just jumping back and forth between game logic and irl logic.
worn dune
Muzzle break plus heavy barrel can reduce recoil if you ballence it right
dark seal
tho I'd love to see the game adding some more exotic weapons
static dune
like what?
worn dune
C Foam is pretty exotic
dark seal
hell, I'd kill for a buzzsaw located somewhere on a bridge
lilac island
more
last saffron
well, we are getting a system letting us frankenstein our guns. One example ludvig told us was C foam firing sentry
dark seal
intriguing
lilac island
How about just a variety of melee weapons, first.
worn dune
Lol there were people demanding that the devs add a tool thats just a infite ammo MG
dark seal
that too
lilac island
Yeah there's a video of a shotgun-sentry
open fog
Did you guys discuss the fact that there is a neural probe at all? the hud looks like its displayed on your retina via a neural uplink
worn dune
Ye
open fog
thats pretty crazy advanced
last saffron
we literally have stasis pods
lilac island
Yeah it is.
worn dune
I said that we're remote controlling the characters
dark seal
I don't get it though, there are 2 handed melee weapons, why not add 1 handed weapons such as machetes?
worn dune
Because its early access
lilac island
That's a pretty weird thing. Neural-link, but not smart enough to use silent weapons.
last saffron
a slashing weapon wouldnt really have much effect on them methinks
dark seal
depends how sharp it is
lilac island
Doesn't need to be a silencer, tho.
open fog
So then, why would you use what is potentially an incredibly expensive piece of technology on prisoners you are just going to under-equip?
lilac island
Just a crossbow or more effective melee weapons.
There's no shortage of silent weapons
last saffron
we dont know whats its likely on the outside
worn dune
How do you know its expensive
last saffron
maybe theres literally no supplies
worn dune
Brain implants arent that expensive
last saffron
we have something like cortex interface already
worn dune
They can be mass produced with cilicon fab tech
last saffron
just really, really early stage
worn dune
Yeah
last saffron
theyre used for prosthetics
dark seal
or, here's a better idea, why not use your 2 handed weapon, jump from a high place, and before you land on the ground, slam with your hammer to deal an AoE dmg of 2 -3 meters? I mean, it is loud af, but it provides faster kills
worn dune
Brain implants are just computer chips
last saffron
....please no
last saffron
that sounds incredibly fukin stupid, no offense
lilac island
last saffron
we arent diablo
dark seal
it has a shockwave as soon as you hit the ground
lilac island
That's pretty quiet.
lilac island
Bro I'm just saying that a silencer that is silent enough exists.
I'm not saying they have silencers.
dark seal
yeah, no RPGS nor silencers
lilac island
Man you get way too mad over video-games @worn dune
worn dune
No, i just dont get why were arguing something thats will never be in the game
dark seal
but if so, add more consumables: grenades, teasers to actually incapacitate monsters
worn dune
Meh, gotta be passionate about something
lilac island
Because there was a conversation about the loudness of silencers.
open fog
so, a neural interface, which probably requires some pretty specific resources including rare metals etc, is somehow more readily available then advanced firearms?
dark seal
and hell even a fog repelling machine
worn dune
Fog repeller is just a dehumidifier
worn dune
I guess
dark seal
and spot enemies, rather than relying on the bio tracker
worn dune
I want peaceable long range flashlights
lilac island
To be fair, even the gun-mounted flashlights are awful
last saffron
thats the point
dark seal
yeah, pretty weak. that's why they added a long range flashlight
last saffron
the entire game is based on that your equipment is around duct tape tier
worn dune
Eh, its not Rust bad
open fog
i wonder if the found equipment will just be better then?
last saffron
youre not an elite kill everything moving force with grenades and """tazers"""
worn dune
Id say salvage teir
lilac island
I mean from a game-development stand-point, sure. But it's a little obnoxious to combine high-tech with very low tech.
worn dune
Not really?
flint ledge
you are expendable pawns with equally expendable equipment
worn dune
Its a mining facility why would they have military gear?
open fog
Maybe they already sent tonnes of high-tech fighters in and they all got wiped?
last saffron
you have holographic displays on some of your gear
worn dune
Most coal mines dont cary military weapons
open fog
so the idea now is resource saving?
dark seal
@last saffron not normal tazers, but rather a gun with a change to deal a chain lightning stun to multiple enemies (clusters would have a harder time to attack, but it could also incapacitate teammates)
lilac island
I always feel like that neural-lace thing is out of place.
last saffron
question is, why. this isnt killing floor.
thats something i can see in killing floor, but having no place in GTFO
worn dune
Im just saying, we have no idea whay the state of the military is
If they could respond
They would have
lilac island
Why would they have neural uplinks but trash flashlights
worn dune
But they havent
dark seal
better question: why waste so much ammo on sentries and machine guns, while you could "buy" yourself some extra 7 seconds to heal or reload weapons?
open fog
Are the crew on death row at all? do we know?
dark seal
or even revive teammates
lilac island
Y'know they make flashlights with multiple settings.
last saffron
because the point of the game is to be pressured
youre proposing tools drastically easing stuff
dark seal
Speaking of flashlights, imagine if the devs added a flashlight with 10000 lumen
last saffron
you already can deal with waves fairly quick
lilac island
Sure, makes sense from game-dev perspective. But neural-lace totally breaks immersion. Not a lot of internal game logic.
dark seal
you'd alert a whole room in seconds
last saffron
a 100k lumen would probably burn someone alive
dark seal
xD
worn dune
Neural lace makes as much sense as the HSUs
lilac island
If it's a neural-uplink thing, is straight-up night-vision out of the question
dark seal
just add a magnifying glass and you get yourself a nice laser gun
burn those sleepers and enjoy the smell of rotten flesh
lilac island
You'd think you'd find more discarded weapons from dead prisoners.
dark seal
@lilac island night vision goggles could be a great idea
not too op
not too weak
but help you in dark areas
dark seal
if there's a 2 story room, there could be a sleeper above you,
lilac island
You could balance night-vision easily
last saffron
id rather have it not in at all.
dark seal
but limited duration
lilac island
Or you couldn't fire or something while using it