like buckshot won't pierce those giant canisters
#gtfo-lore
drifting nymph
and once again, if it's a drone getting knocked out, not a big problem
they're replaceable
last saffron
so you just keep throwing cash into nothing with slim chances of recovering them
how to fail at resource management 101
last saffron
im basing everything off observations. youre adamant the drones wont just get drowned and picked off. combat drones arent cheap either.
drifting nymph
also once a zone is made relatively safe, you can recover and refurbish any damage drones that had to be recovered from earlier
last saffron
youre assuming the zone can be made safe
what stops them from finding another way in
drifting nymph
yeah but your observations are often based on niche worst case situations, you think the pilots can't learn?
last saffron
they have been down there for years
drifting nymph
sure, but safety isn't a black and white thing
you can make it safe enough that it's not likely you'll be attacked
or you can have them wade through things like sentries
and other things you have estabvlished
last saffron
and get bogged after first 5 bodies.
last saffron
kinda
drifting nymph
Ok but what if say you had 4 shotgun sentries overlapping each other
down a single corridor
last saffron
still, because youre basing it off from ingame stats which arent adjusted
drifting nymph
very little is getting through that
you stick wheels and arms on a bunch of those
and that's what you have to clear
last saffron
and then a giant flips it
drifting nymph
ok
last saffron
11/10 plan
last saffron
no it walked up to it shrugging fire off while another one came from side
drifting nymph
humans can avoid doing dumb shit?
last saffron
a giant at the moment takes around...3 or 4 point blank shots without giving a damn
operating a drone is different than being there
drifting nymph
ok, but it is stunned during those shots?
last saffron
depends, sometimes it doesnt even flinch
drifting nymph
Ok, you're right, you are operating it through a camera and it's not the same as been there.
but that's why you train to operate the drone
to mitigate your limitations
I can see sending in the prison gang to clear up particularly compromised areas
or sending the drones first before the gang to clean up what's left
last saffron
theres a big difference. theyre not prisoners in a sense that theyre convicts also
its implied theyve been there before, atleast Bishop
drifting nymph
would save this warden some bodies
drifting nymph
Well this game strikes me as a less hostile Roadside Picnic but with more hostile zombies.
last saffron
our gear is repurposed mining equipment apparently, guns potentially
with the upcoming upgrade system well be able to uh
frankenstein the gun
as ludvig says
drifting nymph
If you are familiar with roadside picnic, the convicts here are basically the Stalkers in roadside picnic
last saffron
we are not the only team either, D1 expects high mortality rate
i love roadside but im not sure its applicable here. rip Porcupine
drifting nymph
but the deal in roadside picnic is that the Stalkers eventually either are killed by the zone, arrested by the Russian government or retire
last saffron
thats sort of, expected considering the setting. With stalker youre essentially breaking the law too
drifting nymph
and part of that is that the government slowly creeps in and navigates around the dangerous anomalies, even bringing in drones to cut down on casulaties if I recall
they have their science teams steadily uncover the mysteries of the zone, at a very slow rate mind you
last saffron
didnt see any mention of drones in there
for stalker they cant really use drones because anomalies/radiation and other stuff which stops stuff in its tracks
drifting nymph
there is something I believe that is mentioned that is used to make the zone safer, I think it was drone
well STALKER is set in Chernobyl, Roadside Picnic is not specified
it's just in Russia
the anomalies do different things, the stalkers have learned this
last saffron
in roadside its several zones under lockdown
drifting nymph
but the idea is that the government have slowly exerted some control over the chaos of the zone, at least the outer limits
last saffron
flipped through stuff, still cant see
drifting nymph
they cannot penetrate deep like Redrick is able to
when he goes for the wishmaker
because that is incredibly hostile, too hard to manage
but yeah, what I was more or less explaining is the approach the government takes in Roadside Picnic can be applied to this facility unless there's like major plot that hasn't been revealed
last saffron
theres no plot avaliable really
drifting nymph
We don't know what the Warden is, maybe it's objectives are on a shorter timeframe
and it must send in what it has
last saffron
we only have...character descriptions, coordinates and uh
and supposed complex purpose
drifting nymph
but I was saying in the long term, a slower and more methodical approach could clear the facility without the costs
wide minnow
New theory that is false: the bio scans are checking our living DNA for the virus before opening which is why people keep being sent down. We are cloned in stasis pods from the real prisoners who are being held in coma. The facility was put into lock down when the (virus?) First spread but it spread too quickly and it was too late.
drifting nymph
It's how I imagine it because I see no other way to maintain the same characters across multiple harrowing crawls.
particularly as things start to get even deeper like E or F
in an enviroment with possible mutagenic threats
without full CNBR suits
last saffron
clones would jsut remove any sort of risk to the plot/missions since you just pop a new one
and the fact a clone wouldnt really be the same person
drifting nymph
well it depends on how the 'lore' of the clones is handled
last saffron
and before we say it, no you cant inject memories into cortex
it handles specific parts of memories
drifting nymph
it will depend on more details that are not yet revealed
last saffron
theres another thing, we havent seen all Hosts yet
right now we have strikers/shooters and their giant deviants
scouts
shadows which are completely invisible unless under direct light
bullrush strikers which are faster, tougher and hit rapidly
more are planned down the line, including the tendril from trailer
drifting nymph
spikey bois
woeful rose
oh god
last saffron
early concepts were something
woeful rose
i never want to see that running at me i na dark room.
drifting nymph
you could have this concept enemy from deadspace which was a corpse that would play dead and suddenly launch tendrils and try and grab you to drag you towards it's giant mouth back at the corpse
wide minnow
I think it's a clone like a body suit but the brain is connected like in the matrix
They mentioned remembering things and being in the terrible nightmare and then going back to calmness
last saffron
that was dauda and the full thing is
“It comes every night without fail”
“There are different people every time”
“But I recognize them somehow”
“They’re screaming at me I don’t hear them but I know they are screaming”
“Such hate, and anger”
“I don’t know what I have done to them”
“They want me to feel what they feel”
“Then I wake up and I’m not sweating or screaming, I’m perfectly calm. I just open my eyes and I’m awake!”
“It’s not a nightmare, it’s just a part of me, who I am.”
I don’t fight it, I just, live around it”
lilac island
synthwave drops
static slate
zealous root
When someone dies by the white mucus that the spitters put out, its actally sperm that impregnates us and once we die, we give birth to more of their young.
last saffron
verbal sedge
what is this facility we are going into
why is the warden sending prisoners and not people more trained
what are those things
why are they like that
why big ass fucking hammers?
last saffron
The facility is supposedly a mining operation by Santonian industries
The 4 main characters are not necessarily untrained and are supposedly familiar with the complex
The hosts are presumed to be afflicted personnel of the complex, infected with either bacteria/virus/parasites or several things combined
Noone knows why are they like that
Hammers are effective on taking them down
verbal sedge
why are they prisoners
last saffron
theyre not necessarily criminals. by definition a prisoner is a person captured and kept confined
Warden is holding the 4 main characters against their wills, thus they are referred to as prisoners
verbal sedge
why does Warden need them to obtain a bunch of random shit from the facility
last saffron
for its own reasons. its goals arent exactly random, as it even explains why it need things in the current rundown
verbal sedge
isnt it better to just nuke the facility
last saffron
in A1 you get a DNA sample in order to proceed lower as example
No, because if we are in chixculub crater center, then we are underwater. Nuking an underground cavern would do more harm than good
verbal sedge
so why not abondon it
tall anchor
Also they’re capitalists
verbal sedge
its already completely fucked
last saffron
It was abandoned, Warden just started operations recently.
verbal sedge
is what Warden doing legal
frail pollen
if we nuke the facility then we have no game 😛
last saffron
well have more once audio/text logs are in, so for now we only have tibids
verbal sedge
they are going to place random text logs and stuff in levels?
i mean whos gonna stop to read?
last saffron
well be able to read them outside missions
frail pollen
the idea would be to pick them up and read later so you don't impede on your team mates.
not guaranteed that's what they'll do but an idea they are considering for lore/story.
verbal sedge
would Warden even let you read the stuff
last saffron
warden doesnt care what you do or take really
it only needs you to complete the task and only takes what it needs, leaving the rest to you
verbal sedge
hmm
last saffron
the reason why our main 4 dont rebel should be obvious, the Warden is their only means of getting back up
glad shore
It's also the only thing that could give them freedom it seems.
Also, Merry Christmas to all you conspiracy theorists in here.
The other thing is that the Warden doesn't actually seem to be in constant contact with the team. It looks like it takes longer and longer to receive the objectives each floor. Like the C2 objective doesn't show up until midway through the next room or so.
last saffron
i feel like those act more like reminders
glad shore
Usually your objectives and such are given through Warden transmissions, so it might have to send a signal down with the information, rather than constantly give info.
last saffron
since your objective is always in your top left corner
glad shore
Possibly. They all have the Warden Transmission end tag though.
wise ridge
Maybe the warden just has a terrible phone contract
last saffron
oh, warden does send transmissions, it just its always there in your sight
it send updates when you use terminal as example
glad shore
Should try and get a screenshot on them next time they pop up for me. Might be some stuff in there for us to look at.
But yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The Warden doesn't give the full expedition data at the start, and instead has it like, update or something when you complete an objective. It seems like contact with the prisoners down there might either be delayed or non-available outside the Cortex Interface, which could just get signal from the crane you're lowered in on.
wise ridge
Wouldnt he give you the information bevore he sends you down there to ensure that you even recieve it?
If the warden would do it like you say theres a high chance that sometimes the transmission just gets lost in the complex
glad shore
Probably. But considering the unknowns involved with the complex, it might be better to have some contact with the prisoners so it can make a snap judgement on an objective change.
last saffron
Warden doesnt have too much info to begin with really. it has the general look of the place, knows what it needs
but has no idea where specifically it is, nor does it have a layout
it always urges to use terminal and only once you get the specific it tells where to go
glad shore
Yeah. Like, C1 has a situation where you need to enter a code into a computer. The code is different each time, and you need to put multiple codes into the terminal based on the terminal response.
So it has to keep contact to respond appropriately. Don't want to give the wrong code and have something go wrong yeah?
wise ridge
why dont we just politley ask him and maybe hell respond
Hey @native shell can you give us some help here?
glad shore
Oh that's what you meant.
wise ridge
I think he is busy
glad shore
Well it never responds. The only image it has is in Discord, which I'm not sure if we can trust.
last saffron
its a bot, i dont really think its programmed to respond. its only purpose so far was giving data on alpha/beta
glad shore
I mean, I more meant in game and such too, but yeah.
wise ridge
But isnt it kinda weird that in C1 the codes are just random words
carmine carbon
Like passwords
wise ridge
yeah but if I were to make a ||nuclear reactor|| in a giant mining facility i would make the code numbers not just random words right?
glad shore
It's honestly standard, especially considering what you're working with.
You know. "OH GOD IT'S GONNA BLOW, ENTER 16230185710-" BOOM
last saffron
you dont need to spoiler mark anything, theres a warning about spoilers in pinned messages
wise ridge
just in case
last saffron
a wrong code wouldnt really force a reactor to explode, or cause anything serious. those things have safety measures to the point even if everyone just straight up vanished nothing drastic would happen
wise ridge
Maybe its just me, but lets say I make a giant nuclear reactor in an underground mining facility with thousands of people in it. I wouldnt necceseraly make the code "Rage" or "Year" would I?
queen lava
Pretty confident that you're being forwarded the codes by the warden, and it's not necessarily trying to stop the reactor from exploding, rather it's just too make sure you don't have to start over the sequence
carmine carbon
I assume these codes are passwords forwarded by the warden and their purpose to ensure that the reactor tests go right
queen lava
Yeah
last saffron
well, not really tests, the times you interact with reactors is to first overload one and then shutdown another
one to bypass security, second one too seemingly since youre shutting it down to gain access to a passageway according to its description
queen lava
Huh
wise ridge
Well if it doesnt mean anything, we have learned that the warden Really needs a password manager
last saffron
i doubt warden is the one who set the passwords in the first place
the entire place has been abandoned for years until we show up
wise ridge
Well he has to have some sort of control if he can get ahold of the passwords for us
last saffron
we get officer IDs and DNA beforehand, alongside Administrators dna for security stuff
wise ridge
hm, yeah true
last saffron
realized C2 isnt the reactor one
C1 is
so in general security gets more and more elaborate the deeper you go. B just needs admin dna. C requires both officer ids and dna apparently
D requires some wicked amounts of stuff to breach into, overloading power and getting decoders
what measures await at the level below D is a mystery. could be as elaborate as a nuclear case, with specific keys and whatnot
wise ridge
well, guess theres only one way to find out
glad shore
Are we sure these things are nuclear? Just wanna ask.
runic vessel
i think he was just using that as an example of how elaborate it will probably be
glad shore
Yeah, but we haven't actually figured out what the reactor is have we is what I mean. Are we certain that it's nuclear, and not something else?
I mean, I feel like it's probably not considering the lone glass paneling between us and the reactor. That does not feel like it's up to nuclear code.
low palm
Reactors are almost always nuclear. Otherwise it wouldn't be a reactor
runic vessel
i dont know for certain as i havent done much research
do we know how the sleepers came to be?
glad shore
There's other reactor types than nuclear. Pressurized Water, a boiling water reactor, pressurized heavy-water reactor...
low palm
We don't
last saffron
not yet, only guesses
low palm
All of those are reactors with nuclear material Kalis
runic vessel
id guess it could be nuclear and the sleeper came to be because of the lack of safety measures such as the lone panel of glass
and the sleepers were created due to the nuclear exposure
last saffron
the rods have a radiation warning emblem so we assume theyre nuclear
low palm
All reactors are nuclear
glad shore
Ah didn't see the top there.
low palm
Otherwise, they wouldn't be reactors.
last saffron
radiation cannot turn you into what sleepers are
low palm
Nuclear reactions.
last saffron
being exposed will not make your head into a giant maw
tumors can grow teeth/nails/hair in them, but they cannot physically alter you with that much purpose
runic vessel
it is a video game they dont always follow real life rules but i get what you mean
glad shore
Chemical Reactor, Ethan.
low palm
chemical reactors arent large enough nor plentiful enough to power a facility as large as the complex
when in the context of power plants, all reactors are nuclear
glad shore
There probably isn't just one. But anyways... If it's nuclear, it's probably one of the SMR types.
Small Modular Reactor. They've got a piston that's a little similar.
runic vessel
has 10chambers said anything about getting actual lore collectables in the future?
last saffron
ama has an answer
lemme dig it up, again
in short, audio and text logs
outside world is part of the mystery too
runic vessel
i would love to see them do something like they have in destiny 2 where after you complete a mission you get a lore piece and having lore pieces around the map that you can pick up
glad shore
Considering this stuff seems to be burrowing through a fair portion of the complex, as seen in C2, they're probably in a hurry to get it contained.
last saffron
" the lore and backstory will be revealed through different text and audio logs left behind by the people who lived in the Complex before the monster invasion. What shape the outside world is in is part of the mystery that will be revealed in the game, so I won't talk about there here. ;-)"
glad shore
We'll probably need someone to set up a lore compendium at some point.
runic vessel
interesting
last saffron
C2 growth isnt exactly burrowing, it exists in only two places too
we have a power point presentation with things, it needs a bit of updating though
runic vessel
can i get a link to that PP?
glad shore
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
last saffron
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1D2mdwwY2EvieuvQ3twaa1X-OU-kaUCdhxr6hqIZRfqg/edit?usp=sharing
its in pinned messages
glad shore
I guess not necessarily burrowing? But it looks like it's attached to the rock layer, or at least the floors above the level you're on when you're in C2.
last saffron
that was made..back in alpha i think
it doesnt do anything but serve as scenery for the moment, might change in the future, might remain just scenery
glad shore
Maybe yeah. We don't really know if our objective is even to contain the things down there.
low palm
At least as of EA's rundown our objectives seem to revolve around getting a few dna samples, decoding some security, starting up one reactor and shutting down another.
That all seems to point towards restarting some sort of security sequence or at least generating one
last saffron
right now the current rundown is getting access
glad shore
The last objective mentions "a pathway out of section D". Which struck me as odd at the start until I did C2.
last saffron
what comes after is guessing
low palm
So either we're restarting some sort of security to go deeper, or we're disabling security to go deeper.
It all seems to revolve around security.
glad shore
C2 has two different crane points. One for entry, one for Exfil, with the exfil point behind a security door that's got some serious protection.
low palm
Which is honestly a little terrifying.
glad shore
I think the warden wants to go to D in the next rundown, but the entry points aren't suitable for Exfil for one reason or another, so it's setting up a more permanent exfil point.
last saffron
the place is essentially self contained given its underground. while they can rip through metal, security doors are too strong from them to breach so unless they somehow change to be able to dig, theyre not going anywhere. they certainly didnt for years the complex stood abandoned
glad shore
True.
They might be able to damage the pathways we use though. Not on purpose, but perhaps by accident. There's ammunition and forklifts everywhere, so they might just do some damage by accident. Not to mention the caved in doors we find.
The facility must be unstable with that in mind... So maybe the exfil point is required to move something larger out of the facility? It might be the only reachable pathway out that's stable enough for large cargo.
Gah, now I wanna know what's in the next rundown. Ok, tonight I'm gonna run D1 once I'm in my place after spending time with the family, and I'm gonna complete D1!
last saffron
i doubt our 4 would be able to move something large around without getting torn to pieces
glad shore
Considering the forklifts and other stuff... Mix with the crane... I don't think WE need to move it, just get it to where the warden can move it.
The reactors might not be the only thing with a terminal controlling them. And if they're doing mining operations, there's gotta be a lot of material right? So they have to have a dedicated loading system for moving minerals, dirt, rock and other stuff to different floors.
It might be terminal based. We might have to do something where we move different things onto a loader then send it up. Like HSUs and things.
cerulean forum
I wanna drive a forklift around
tall anchor
^
willow creek
Why do we not have any fuckin silencers?!
cerulean forum
@willow creek silencers IRL are not actually very useful mainly as a muzzle flash IF they ever did it wouldnt be non realistic IRL ones
and if u shoot ur gun in a room full of enemys Your just asking to die
cerulean forum
good we agree on something
frigid beacon
c foam is best we're gonna get
shadow igloo
i need the source video for that
last saffron
the guns might already have suppressors on, its just suppressors are still loud as all hell
glad shore
Yeah, silencers wouldn't do much in that area. Even if you quiet the gun, gunfire is actually less effective than a charged hit. It takes one smash to kill a sleeper. Gunfire takes a good couple bullets, even with the high damage weapons.
last saffron
a shotgun blast just gets a tiny bit lower, to around 140 db
which is around same as a jet engine taking off.
glad shore
Yep. They probably don't give us suppressors anyways because it would encourage that kinda stealth style of "I have a gun that's quiet, I'mma shoot everything" which would waste ammunition, and has the added effect of alerting the groups more often than a strike to the back of the head.
It's just more effective to try and silently smash their heads in than it is to shoot everything. You already start off with 50% ammo in each gun. Why waste that on non-alerted, stationary enemies with set detection criteria when you can just maul them?
last saffron
gunshots are also not entirely effective, pure blunt force has more effect
cerulean forum
@glad shore nah man a headshot with a revi/DMR/Sniper is almost guarenteed kill
all shottys aswell would have that affect
last saffron
DMR oneshots shooters to the head, strikers need two taps
glad shore
Can confirm that after I used the DMR.
Also, "almost" guaranteed. Maul is guaranteed.
livid cape
gotta account for the ones who break into a pair of legs and still attack ya
shut jolt
ye
spring stag
You have to hit shooters in the head if you want to 1-shot kill with melee
Or else yeah, you end up getting your ass beat by half a torso or a pair of legs
glad shore
Which is crazy. What keeps them moving at that point even?
spring stag
sheer will-power to make your life hell
Idk though, I assume that we’ll find out how they work as the story develops
granite kettle
LEGS
the legs will kill you
It has happened to me on 11/12 PIDs
I imagine non centralized nervous system like a star fish
glad shore
Probably. But considering the human frame, that’s quite the mutation.
static dune
Maybe it completely alters the nervous system
Allowing it to function without half a body
glad shore
Maybe, but that means they set up a complete replacement for the brain.
Which is pretty complex. So there’s gotta be some form of control mechanism.
static dune
I think it eats away the brain or disables it anyway
Taking the head off anything does nothing
Well
The big ones at least
glad shore
Was gonna say. Usually when you hit a base sleeper or scout, they die straight off.
Emphasis on “usually”.
static dune
Yeah
glad shore
Though, the spike guys? Hit them in the back and they die in one hit, and the light is brighter there.
static dune
They don't need a brain, any of them
Maybe the life form or whatever is inside it plants a secondary brain?
glad shore
Yeah... The strikers seem to lack a brain too, considering, you know, the split head.
static dune
Hive mind maybe
subtle meteor
incredible
static dune
For the strikers at least
subtle meteor
whats the story behind going down there and everything tho
static dune
The warden supposedly sends us down as punishment and to do things for it
We don't know if The Warden is an AI, a person, or a group of people
subtle meteor
arent we in like hypersleep or something like that
subtle meteor
yeah stasis
glad shore
Well. That’s a bit of an assumption. But you are prisoners, that’s confirmed in the lobby selection. You’re stored in hydrostasis, a form of putting the body into suspended animation through submersion, and you’re sent down as an exposable workforce to complete objectives the warden assigns you.
It’s unclear if you committed a crime. And it’s unclear why the warden sends you down there, but there seems to be an overall objective.
subtle meteor
word
static dune
We also have no clue if the outside world is exposed to these creatures either
I would assume so
subtle meteor
I NEED ANSWERS
static dune
We'll get them sooner or later
glad shore
They’re working on audio and video logs that you can collect in game. Give it time.
static dune
That is how we are going to discover the lore
There could very well be thing written on walls to
Another thing I question is what the projectiles scouts, shooters and big shooters are made of
Is it a spore that grows on the inside?
glad shore
Hard to say but it clearly causes some form of damage. Might be an acidic projectile.
Maybe some form of spore or something. It seeks you slightly.
static dune
Yeah, what causes them to seek?
And if they are spores and require growth, wouldn't they have a limited amount for a certain amount of time
And considering their size, they would be bulky in the mass of the lifeforms
I believe that the projectiles are found on the outside of shooters as well. But similar looking things are found inside the strikers
So what's the link there?
Is it a spore that has different uses depending on the type of life form?
lilac island
You think there maybe something lovecraftian involved?
iron wagon
Spores are linked to the what it cause the infection and outbreak, but on the various types it seems to be determined by gender maybe. Example, shooters look like females while strikers are male, just from my visual understanding
lilac island
Not too into role reversal.
iron wagon
From a visual stand point, it can also be clearly seen in the bigger variants, types of enemies could possibly be determined by the genes of the host
static dune
Yes, but I believe the spores are caused by whatever mutates, resides, or takes over the bodies, not dependent on gene or gender
lilac island
All I got out of the pinned story was dinosaurs. I guess that's kinda interesting.
love to think that a lovecraftian monster killed the dinosaurs))
static dune
Lol
static dune
Well it seems like something busted out of the hole
Whether it was an object or a creature, who knows?
But it most certainly hints at the outside world being exposed to this "infection."
glad shore
Possibly. Possibly not. It’s possible the explosion or whatever at the bottom wasn’t infection related.
static dune
The facility could also be a research facility, and the scientists and other staff were researching an infection or some life form, an explosion happened and released said things
glad shore
Maybe. At the same time, lot of mining equipment for just research.
Just not too sure. I feel like it’s research, sure, but that doesn’t explain the ammo you can find on every level, along with the tool refill packs.
low palm
The Complex seems to have multiple purposes. If it was designed with a specific one in mind, it either changed sometime during its in-universe development or changed post "outbreak".
glad shore
Mhm. That’s why I feel like it’s some sort of self-dependent post of some sort.
We’ve only seen just a bit past the refinery at this point. So who knows what else they do down there.
low palm
It is a little telling that we haven't seen any non-industrial areas in the Complex. I'm wondering if that's intentional or just that we're too early in development to see right now.
glad shore
There’s some stuff that lends itself to some more secretive aspects of the complex. The door for C2s exfil being one. Four security checks? Talk about extreme.
torn apex
Guys i have an idea
And if the crater Is not something come outside
But a bigger creature exit from inside the complex
Like some type of behemoth thing
That made the passage we use to drop down
That explain why the passage seems to destroy the parts of the complex and not a build in thing
Other thing he can explain why we are here to recover thing (maybe like there's an infection but you Need to stay where the zero point of the problem)
shadow igloo
i feel like if the facility posed that kind of threat we'd have a bit more than some unstable possibly damaged clones and pretty ramshackle equipment
torn apex
Maybe to find a cure maybe to find a way to fight that thing, that Is now outside on he earth
Not possible of you have an Immortal alien God wreacking havoc on the planet
You must do whit what you have in your hand
shadow igloo
havent the devs said its not alien?
shadow igloo
if anything it would be a mutated dino in very extreme final stages
torn apex
Yea something like a godzilla
shadow igloo
but i doubt anything even mutated can last that long
glad shore
What might be more likely is a detonation down below of some sort. Either a reactor going wrong, or maybe something was drilled down that far.
shadow igloo
could be an emergency exfil type drill. load it up. digs itself out
would explain how the hole appears to be dug upwards
glad shore
It’ll probably be explained with audio logs and such. But it’s gotta be something.
torn apex
Full 💯% on superpredator behemoth that live in the underground and someone Piss him off, maybe come from the old dinosaur comet, he made them vanish, fall asleep and modern time get awaken a second time.
ruby fiber
What are the monsters we kill? zombies?
wide minnow
No they're like an infected host but the creators were going for monster over zombie
iron wagon
Think of resident evil monsters, growing extra parts of the body or protruding infection, in this case, split open heads with a lot of teeth, similar to the infection from "The Thing" movie.
raw dock
is there any background about what the facility is and who the characters are?
where the "monsters" came from?
prime silo
Hackett: An Irish native described as cynical and comical but reliable.
Bishop: A distrustful and pragmatic English who is interested in getting the job done.
Woods: A thoughtful American who believes in deeper meaning.
Dauda: A determined and cunning but secretive Nigerian.
opaque pond
Not sure a full body replication and replacement is what I'd call an "infection "
cloud patio
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static dune
wrong channel
prime silo
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pallid tapir
gtfo livesteam in gtfo general 1\
last saffron
verbal sedge
they flashed the sleepers for like an hour
stable urchin
yeah
raven scaffold
What if it's all a simulation?!
stable urchin
What if we are the monsters, and the sleepers are just living in peace, and we just come killing them
stable urchin
Already read it, it helps alot tho
raven scaffold
What if the monsters don't exist and it's just a bunch of teens running around a ww2 bunker high out of their minds and dying due to a bad trip?
verbal sedge
that means
raven scaffold
Don't do drugs kids.
verbal sedge
that the deepest lore is actually the location of the complex itself
verbal sedge
being deep withing the chicxulub crater
raven scaffold
Lmao
stable urchin
yeah
daring seal
Theres a lot of dinosaur talk
imb4 future updates
you fight a trex with tentacles instead of head
daring seal
theres not much deep lore in there tho
just telling you that
yeah theres a complex it was abandoned. monsters exist. Oh also dinosaurs died here a long time ago. Bring HSU mkay? good bye.
So we can theorise about D E E P lore
verbal sedge
are they selling dino STDs?
stable urchin
This is all a reality show
last saffron
if they needed stuff from santonian era they wouldnt really need chixculub just for that
Santonian is mainly known for two things really, death of almost every living thing and first appearance of modern like shelled clams
Chixculub crater can pose geological interest however. the meteor impact was so hard it made stuff which only forms deep within earth to surface
it also formed an entire layer rich with iridium
charred marsh
ONe evening in a base miles and miles under the ground you stand on, a lab was busy developing perfect clone technology. As time went on, one doctor began to hear voices and thus lose his mind. While this scientist went mad, he tampered with the clones, to the voices instruction, and as he was discovered, it was too late. The creatures broke from containment and slaughtered the scientist's as well as anyone that they saw. As the creatures began to approach the surface, the military destroyed the entrance, sealing them down there. But the military needed the DNA samples, so they sent trained military prisoners to collect the DNA, for they have not quite finished with their experiments.
opaque pond
Sugar, spice and everything nice.... was not what they added to the ingredients
last saffron
Fanfics sure are getting weird. On serious note, theres actually barely any signs of fighting to be fair. Shelves are still neatly stuffed, Vehicles without a scratch just on standby, no traces of skeletons.
Theres an occasional wall which looks like it has been ripped through, but all doors are still intact. Some floors looked like something ripped them up to get below but it could be just integrity failure, since complex stood for a long time with no maintenance
glad shore
Dying a “quiet death” like that is not a fun way to go. There are corpses in the facility, but it’s hard to tell what if anything actually killed them. They could have just died of starvation or dehydration. That, or they killed themselves.
opaque pond
I'm going with killed themselves, or the transformation didn't take in some cases
last saffron
All corpses/body parts are in various degree of change, the way theyre found also rules out suicide a bit, considering the positions they are in and place theyre laying at
of course we could also get more props in future to add to them, but for now its that
glad shore
Maybe... By the way, I did get a closer look at the internals of the big shooter. It’s creepy, there’s either a mass of these oval looking pustules, spores, or eggs inside. I realized pretty quick that that might be what it’s shooting, then thought about the shape. It’s the same shape, though maybe not the same size, as what’s on a shooter’s head. It’s how they fire I think. They’re like SAM sites.
last saffron
their shape differs from shooters growth and they differ in size, however when they spray out they look like eggs, before popping
they feel more like cysts generally
opaque pond
Some of the corpses are in sitting positions against the wall, not changed much. Could have blown their brains out
last saffron
they all suffer from split head syndrome, just like every person inside hsu
which i assume is a placeholder
or just there to give general shape for you to see
brittle jacinth
well, is it an infection?
brittle jacinth
or is it something like deadspace
where a foreign body modifies the victim on a biological level
last saffron
Dead Space is bacteria
brittle jacinth
eh
last saffron
literally
opaque pond
Ehhhh
brittle jacinth
the flood is similar to a bacteria
deadspace is more of an alien
tbh I never played through 3
idk if the markers get explained or not
last saffron
markers basically broadcast an electromagnetic signal wihich alters any dead tissue into necromorph tissue
which in turn converts the rest
brittle jacinth
thats... not the worst
last saffron
note the dead part, it has to be dead. if you eat a necromorph, itll gradually convert you too
charred marsh
i did notice that some of the body's and blood covered in clothing, could it be an infection, that similar to alien growns inside of you, but its just underneath the skin and rips its way out?
last saffron
the blood splatters are probably due to how drastically the host body changes
brittle jacinth
mhm
opaque pond
Deadspace is more psychic
last saffron
Strikers maws are covered in blood, same for hands
brittle jacinth
their head literally splits open
they probably die, fall against a wall
then their head bursts open
last saffron
an interesting note is that they dont shred the uniforms
brittle jacinth
leaving a bloodstain on it
last saffron
all parts you can find are always intact
brittle jacinth
which makes you wonder
what are they shooting at us?
they dont seem to leave bullet holes or Mark's when they hit something
fresh summit
I think it's more like their skin blisters and burns
Is what it looks like
And then melts isch
last saffron
one wild guess i saw was that its..semen. eugh
fresh summit
Like radiation cases
glad shore
Though the shooters are female. At the very least, if it’s eggs, we know how they’re somewhat produced in the body.
last saffron
blisters form a bubble, but they cant exactly be detached
charred marsh
could be condensed energy
last saffron
they do have blisters on their stumps, backs, crotch and legs
strikers are blister free
brittle jacinth
... thats not how that works but oaky
last saffron
aside from gameplay reasons cant say really. it would imply the pods are living entities on their own, using some form of propulsion to "steer" into you. but then that doesnt explain how do they distinguish between hosts and non hosts
glad shore
It’s hard to say, but it might be something to do with the infection itself. Then again, we’re infected as well apparently, so that’s probably not it... it’s not light or muzzle flashes drawing them in, you can wave a maul around and still get attacked... hm...
Might be a kinda similar thing with the tongue though. If you notice, a section of the tongue lights up as it goes forward to hit you, like something moves through it.
last saffron
the "tongue" maw always glows
opaque pond
Look up Tyranid bio weapons and you have most if not all the answers
unique kestrel
carmine carbon
Only cosmetical
turbid cove
Heyho prisoners, I'm sure this gets asked often but is there a real lore to the game? I'm really curios why we are prisoners and what has happened to the world below or even above. Also I'm just at C2 so I don't know if there will be more lore to come.
last saffron
we have some tibids here and there
opaque pond
The lore will be revealed over time, through missions
last saffron
lore will be revealed in future via text/audio logs
turbid cove
Oh alright cool :)
last saffron
" the lore and backstory will be revealed through different text and audio logs left behind by the people who lived in the Complex before the monster invasion. What shape the outside world is in is part of the mystery that will be revealed in the game, so I won't talk about there here. ;-)" From AmA
turbid cove
I'm looking forward to it :D
For now I really like the character screen especially the russian guy? whos beating his own head. Looks like the inmates themselves are a bit mentally unstable which I find really cool. The starting sequence when you drop down into the depths is also reaaaaally nice, it seems like those maybe mentally unstable characters are really terrified of going down. So yeah I'm actually in love right now.
turbid cove
oh I thought in the C1 mission I heard a russian accent coming from my own character which was the one who's been beating his head. I must've imagined it. Thanks for the info though!
carmine carbon
Yeah, i got the information form the summary document, which is pinned in this chat
jovial cradle
yo guys we found a lore lead
solid verge
oh?
jovial cradle
i dont know if other people have found this but here anyway
this is the location of the map
and there was a scientific drilling that happened here
jovial cradle
oh ok
dark seal
which I personally find quite intriguing. Though a better question for the devs would be: How could such a meteorite cause this type of a fungi (yes fungi, because the "infected" have some weird spores on their bodies). Would that mean, that the virus itself comes from space? (just like the harran virus in Dying Light) Or is it more of a human error? (weird experiments w/ chemicals)
I'm very interested into the game's lore
jovial cradle
are the monsters fungi using the scientists as hosts
dark seal
maybe
jovial cradle
parasite???
dark seal
because as far as I know, fungi use spores to spread. Sometimes they do not manifest as exact mushrooms, but more like cysts or blisters (like the bubonic plague)
which is basically a pretty accurate explanation of why all the infected have these weird things on their abdomen (chest) , torso , head and even butt
jovial cradle
if they are a fungi/infection then what does the shadow monsters have to do with it?
dark seal
however a parasite? Odds are quite slim on that. You see, parasites are neither fungi nor viruses, but more like worms
shadow monsters?
never seen it
dark seal
still, technically speaking, parasites would not work. because even being infected with one, there's no way that such a worm could cause the melting of a hosts' face and the appearance of extra teeth on its' jaw
jovial cradle
parasite
/ˈparəsʌɪt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
a parasite is not technically a worm but any organism thatr takes over or uses a host at the hosts expense
dark seal
yes, it drains the host of all the nutrients for self sustainance
jovial cradle
yes it is a combination of a parasidic fungi/bacterium infection
dark seal
but, riddle me this, can a parasite literally malform a hosts' molecular structure?
I think it's more like a prion/fungi
wet token
jovial cradle
this thing is from space it could do anything possible
we will not know until further information is released or figured out
dark seal
not really honestly. If it is from space, it must have a weakness. It enhances its' host' hearing and motoric capabilities by a lot. But there's a cost
as far as we know, the creatures lose somehow their eyesight, and are more sensible to light
jovial cradle
the weakness is not having a host, the hosts weakness of vision is due to the deriving of nutriends from the hosts body, therefor likely placing it under the category of being a parasidic fungi
lilac island
a fine example of such thing is called cordyceps which using spores to infect hosts and spread
which also causes mutations
if gum with slight traces of carcinogens and cause cancer then god knows what from outer space can do anything
dark seal
@lilac island I don't thing it is a parasite. More like a prion. Besides I quote: Prions are more like "brain" bacteria. They produce nutrients and are asexual. Prions mainly gain control over the host through multiple "attacks" over import parts of the brain.
jovial cradle
a parasite is NOT a worm it is something that takes over a host. it is a parasitic fungi
lusty aspen
lilac island
exactly
dark seal
depends. I've seen parasites that are "worm like" shaped. Depends on what kind of parasite we're talking about
I mean sure
it can be a parasite
lilac island
no it is
dark seal
though I'd go for prions + fungi
lilac island
by literal English definition it is
jovial cradle
it is a fungi, it is a parasite, it could be a bacterium also, the shadow monsters are unknown thanks for the chat bye
lilac island
anything that takes over a host is considered a parasite
dark seal
bacteriums cannot traverse the blood barrier to reach the brain @jovial cradle
lilac island
you were once a parasite in your mothers womb
opaque pond
In my mom and her mom's case, literally, since she had conflicting blood type
opaque pond
I mean, yes?
dark seal
I mean sure, if something goes wrong, both die
lilac island
no its how it is
dark seal
or 1 loses the other
opaque pond
Just because it doesn't make people feel all fluffy about it, doesn't make it incorrect
opaque pond
Chicxulub infector
lilac island
its porbs not even from space
glad kettle
parasites are defined as feeding off some host while not offering any benefit to the host I believe
dark seal
@glad kettle they feed indeed, but there must be something to sustain the host, or else the parasite would have no chance to mulitply
jovial cradle
Bacteria and other infectious organisms can reach the brain and meninges in several ways: By being carried by the blood. By entering the brain directly from the outside (for example, through a skull fracture or during surgery on the brain) By spreading from nearby infected structures, such as the sinuses or middle ear
lilac island
the prisoners
jovial cradle
the host sustained through the dead prisnors and scientists scattered around the map
lilac island
encephalitis is a inflammation of the brain which can be caused by a bacterial or viral infection, bacterial means its bacteria
opaque pond
You take over a human body, reshape it for what you need, and keep it just alive enough
dark seal
Yes, but it is still not strong enough to cause the following: rupture of the face, melting of flesh
wait
lilac island
how could it be a prion a prion is something like sickle cell disease
opaque pond
Nothing known is, Sol
jovial cradle
it is 100% a parasite and it is 100% a fungus, it is a parasitic fungus how can you possibly deny that
dark seal
I found maybe a far "family member" of the virus
could it be leprosy?
now seriously, that thing has an effect over the molecular structure of the host
either from space, or a more aggressive type of leprosys
opaque pond
But only molecules, what we have here is intentional design, consistent, intentional design.
jovial cradle
Leprosy is a chronic infectious disease caused by Mycobacterium leprae. It affects the peripheral nerves and the skin. It does not affect the spinal cord or the brain.
opaque pond
Viruses and bacteria work on a system, but do not have a need to reshape a host beyond cellular level
lilac island
you said bacteria cant reach the brain now your stating that is being caused by a bacterial disease
dark seal
@jovial cradle maybe it is a far more aggressive version of it. Hell either a ferocious fungi/prion or a human weapon
@lilac island and yes, it can't
Leprosys does not take over the brain
lilac island
then why did you suggest it
dark seal
because it is one main reason why the hosts' look like as if someone glued extra pieces of meat on them
dark seal
fungi* there're more than one
lilac island
only one type pal
devout spade
Unless its a H I V E M I N D
dark seal
cough, space ain't earth
dark seal
I feel like we're going for some weird Rick 'n Morty stuff rn
In a doomed galaxy called the milky way lad
cinder knoll
I already grabbed popcorn
dark seal
check the massive black hole within its' core
jovial cradle
you legit said earlier about how it must have weaknesses because it from space, please explain
opaque pond
Doesn't have to be fungi, look up parasitic cysts
dark seal
yes, you see
almost, every virus has a weakness
you see
any vaccine made, is just a weaker version of the virus
lilac island
it has to be a parasite aleast of some sort
dark seal
but viruses who keep on "re-shuffling" their DNA, are almost impossible to cure
through so-called mutations
lilac island
and...
dark seal
it opens a "door", but closes another. Let's say this GTFO virus goes for more aggressivity. But here's the thing: if a virus is very aggressive, it's weakness would be the protection. Nowadays there're multiple types of bacteria resistant to antibiotics, but their major weakness is protection against phages
lilac island
whats your end verdict
dark seal
phages, as some of you may not. Are super aggressive, and only target the "unlucky" members of specific bacteria
ok let me put some thing head to head
lilac island
nothing to do with human the kill bacteria
dark seal
1st. it would attack the liver (like any virus/bacteria/fungi/parasite)
lilac island
what will
dark seal
because it's the easiest organ to "conquer"
it has no defense, and it's the best place to reproduce
lilac island
whats attacking the liver
dark seal
the... GTFO virus let's say
afterall, 1 single "fungi" cannot take over the whole body
it needs to multiply itself
either like most viruses (in weaker spots of the body)
or go for the immune system
if so, the host has little to no time to react
lilac island
do you think its a parasitic fungus??
dark seal
not really hold on
jovial cradle
hey soldayclashyt
dark seal
in terms of biology, it cannot be a parasitic fungus. (I'll explain later why)
lilac island
explain
dark seal
ok so
jovial cradle
GG
lilac island
well
lilac island
their you go
dark seal
there*
dark seal
just a minor correction
jovial cradle
official gtfo wiki counter that
lilac island
and the only virus that attacks the liver is hepatitis
dark seal
pardon?
jovial cradle
😩
lilac island
"1st. it would attack the liver (like any virus/bacteria/fungi/parasite)"
dark seal
nvm true, it's the only virus, but what about ebola?
it also likes to go for it
and for the immune system at the same time?
elaborate @lilac island
lilac island
well exactly
dark seal
yes, not a parasitic fungus, but more of a prion fungus
lilac island
i did
jovial cradle
it is a parasite because it is a fungus taking over a human host
dark seal
parasites 👏 and 👏 fungi 👏 are 👏 not 👏 the 👏 same 👏 thing
jovial cradle
im not
lilac island
we ar enot
you said that any virus would attack the liver first but yet you have only mentioned one and it doesn't necessarily go for the liver first
a parasite is not a worm yeah it is literally anything that leaches from a host
opaque pond
Parasitic Creature perhaps backed up by viral or fungal secondary infection
jovial cradle
im saying its a parasitic fungus because it is a fungi taking over a host outlining the behavior of a parasite
dark seal
just because hepatits is one minor (and unique) type of virus that heads for the liver does not mean that it is not a virus that actually goes for the liver
jovial cradle
ok change back to the virus shit buddy keep donging my bullets
lilac island
parasitic fungi attack living organisms, penetrate their outer defenses, invade them, and obtain nourishment from living cytoplasm, thereby causing disease and sometimes death of the host, and since this is a sci-fi game and it comes from space i could take complete control over the host you fucking retard, you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about shut the fuck up
dark seal
dodging*
jovial cradle
dodging*
dark seal
and no, I'm not trying to change anything nor point fingers or call names
opaque pond
The things you see coming out during a "tongue " attack are most likely the actual creature, piloting mutated humans like meat suits
jovial cradle
@opaque pond outlining the behavior of a parasite
opaque pond
Yes, and you'll see I say parasite every time
lilac island
SolDay just give up you have been fact checked like 1000 times
jovial cradle
right, thats because it by definition even in soldays theory is a parasite
dark seal
@lilac island jesus, how come from one bloody argument you jump to calling out names? Mate all you did was either "research" 2 bits of hepatitis, slap them in my face, or either pick up some random stuff that you personally have no idea of.
lilac island
is that so
lilac island
not my fault you dont know what a parasite is
dark seal
if there's one guy that can do that it's basically the devs themselves
opaque pond
The weird thing is your pfps are similar and I'm seeing them talk back and forth in my head
dark seal
@lilac island you didn't even know how a virus/bacteria loses its' protection against certain things
dark seal
yes, after I said it
dark seal
whatever pal, bet you classified the plague as a highly dangerous flu
lilac island
what
dark seal
whatever, let's not argue over this conversation ok?
not worth it, and I do not have the time nor the will to cause any sorts of unpleasentries
lilac island
was just trying to educate you
dark seal
through what methods? Insulting?
opaque pond
My personal theory is that the parasitic creatures grow inside a host, overpowering the immune system in most cases through a secondary infection, such as a virus, bacteria or fungus. Once large enough, the creature starts devouring and rewriting the host, eventually reshaping it to a specific need. Shooters spread the parasite via projectile egg casings, strikers subdue potential hosts and spread disease to weaken them.
lilac island
what pressure
dark seal
you can definetly think something up, I'm not your mentor nor your teacher
lilac island
im mentoring you
spice cobalt
The wonderful process of trying to firgure things out. I am entertained
dark seal
@opaque pond probably, but the spore projectile thing sounds like a horrible way to spread disease.
lilac island
your welcome
dark seal
^
dark seal
@opaque pond I don't thing that it overpowers the immune system, but rather surpresses it
opaque pond
Close enough
dark seal
I know, fungi use spores, but turning them into homing missiles is more of a waste
jovial cradle
@opaque pond i am in complete agree about the parasite theory with you, and am 100% certain that the secondary is the fungus. it is even on the official gtfo wiki page
dark seal
infected? I think eaten, since these things had probs nuttin' to eat
besides, in game props are 1 example of what happenes to does unfortunate
opaque pond
That wouldn't explain the corpses all over the place
spice cobalt
A lot have their head just munched off
opaque pond
Though that would lead to asking where they get their nutrition
dark seal
A host does not have to consume its' prey right after killing it. It can either conserve it for later nourishment
spice cobalt
Maybe. could also be some parasite got too big and popped it
opaque pond
Could be provided by a larger source
jovial cradle
@opaque pond proving the secondary of the parasite theory, but to be honest its not even a theory anymore its true
spice cobalt
I still wonder
opaque pond
Or a combination
spice cobalt
Of the giant tentacle thing in the Trailer.
dark seal
or a simpler explanation, human error
opaque pond
Some have called that a harvester
spice cobalt
Plausible. Because notice (Possibly just game method used) how we always are all downed and not killed.
glad shore
It's like they want us incapacitated, not killed.
spice cobalt
Bingo
spice cobalt
I only started up last night
glad shore
Absolutely. There's still plenty we don't know and don't have an answer to. Like how the spikers and shadows are created.
Ah, welcome then Hunt.
spice cobalt
: D
jovial cradle
im going to make a word document on all the lore that we have so far
spice cobalt
I did read the lore thingy someone put up. I don't put it past the Dev's to do something sneaky liiiiike this
jovial cradle
and my current theory
spice cobalt
glad shore
There's a power point presentation in the pinned messages, but it does need updating.
Yeah, still can't figure out how to get anywhere else in that site.
Wrong chat Heaven. There's an LFG chat for that.
spice cobalt
Some game companies and people do that for cheeky things for people who look hard enough.
glad shore
It's alright, it happens.
spice cobalt
Just keep it in your mind, and keep an eye out in the game and its things there.
chilly ledge
alright
spice cobalt
Because in that powerpoint not how Santonian logos and name is plastered here and there IN THE GAME.
tall anchor
yeah that was made before alpha release
spice cobalt
It would be like Halo ODST's cheeky poster hint it did
tall anchor
wiki has 9/10 times the most current info
glad shore
they've got a contact button, but that's about it. They were also apparently made in 2017 based on the copyright.
spice cobalt
Indeed
glad shore
I actually did try D1 last night... Made it to the end, but those things are rough. Weird thing is? I could see the tongue attack just fine, but the body was still hidden.
spice cobalt
I do find it interesting the one person who went into Santonian Industries's site and dug into its properties to find the kinda group as well as a author.
Who, has the same name as one of the 4 characters
Bishop
glad shore
We think they're one and the same, but we aren't sure about the connection.
tall anchor
coughs
spice cobalt
All of this is of course Speculation
glad shore
What's up tinted?
spice cobalt
Being this is V0.1 there is MUUUUCH more that will pop into the question, change, and so on.
Kinda want to go and wander the rooms now.
glad shore
Absolutely. I still need to beat D1, died at the extraction. Blegh.
spice cobalt
I've only done A1 and B1
glad shore
B2 will be rough, that tends to be the thing that jams the works for most players it seems.
spice cobalt
May go back and try grabbing a team to just explore the maps.
I'm in the Opening again and its making things out that we are getting Pulled outta one of the Hydrostasis things. Like you look for in A1
spice cobalt
Plausible that Bishop with Possible connections to Santonian is viable? Or still on the Table?
tall anchor
it’s always been assumed that it’s the same guy
never actually confirmed
it will probably be
glad shore
I hadn’t even done A1 when I jumped into the chat, so I get it.
spice cobalt
Durr I'm dumb. When you spawn into a mission literally the thing you are in says Hydrostasis
tall anchor
That and the “cortex link initiated” bit
makes you think that maybe the prisoners are being controlled by an external source
tall anchor
not confirmed 
glad shore
Heh, that does make sense. But yeah, still no confirmation.
Could see it terminate the prisoners when all are down though...
wide minnow
Well yeah but it seems like thats the way they were going with it
Kind of like Ender's Game
last saffron
a meat puppet wouldnt really show any personality/individuality. they wouldnt have such elaborate descriptions too (except woods, woods is rather..interesting)
glad shore
I will say that the cortex is responsible for consciousness and higher thinking along with perception, awareness, language and, oddly enough, memory.
But that might not mean “meat puppet.”
last saffron
not entirely memory
it controls a part of it, but not all of it ' v'
for most part cerebral cortex, assuming its the one were interfacing with judging by 
is essentially your processor
its responsible for voluntary actions etc
memory is actually controlled by..4 or so regions, each responsible for its own thing
glad shore
Mhm... Though it does raise an interesting question. What if the warden is trying to map out the complex using our memories?
last saffron
it would need to interact with Hippocampus
cortex is responsible for procedural memories, like playing piano
glad shore
Redployment, mental stability causing red flags, I’m just wondering if there might be a connection between the rundowns and our memories or minds, that’s all.
last saffron
HSU originally tries to access memory but it fails 4 or so times in a row
glad shore
It just feels like something is off, creating such a personal connection like that when a basic camera and microphone would suffice.
Driving and getting lunch, I’ll read backwards when I get back.
last saffron
a signal from that deep would probably be atrocious for a camera
maybe they already have cameras integrated into their masks, since it looks like AR stuff
wide minnow
but the doors dont open without a bioscan so i dont think a camera would be able to get through
unless you mean the people carrying cameras
spice cobalt
well in A1 you have to get DNA of an Administrator JUST to get to lower levels. In support of this
wide minnow
Is it confirmed that the DNA was needed to access the lower level or is it just we needed the DNA for reasons and then accessed lower levels
carmine carbon
According to the Mission text or the expeditions the DNA samples are needed for the access of the lower levels
wide minnow
Also just curious why their dna is just sitting there
I only played A1 the one time and had no idea what i was doing at the time
prime silo
Isn't it not a camera, but the implant lets us see through their eyes?
spice cobalt
in B1 you are looking for ID's of people.
carmine carbon
and in B2 another DNA sample to access C1
wide minnow
You still have to pass the security scans which are scanning for a bio signature i believe?
spice cobalt
Security scans
prime silo
Yeah but the security scans aren't checking for infected people.
wide minnow
no one was saying that
spice cobalt
True, because at successful end screens it shows infection rates
prime silo
I don't get why they're scanning you as a biosignature anyway.
That would mean you were preprogrammed to get in.
wide minnow
no
carmine carbon
the mental stability, virus infection rate and the nrv probe reaction are also shown at the start of the game
wide minnow
My opinion is that the facility was under disguise as a mining facility and they were actually messing with something they shouldnt have, it went wrong and spread and they put it into lockdown
prime silo
Maybe its so scouts can't get in.
wide minnow
the security doors are just to ensure you arent infected to get through
prime silo
We are infected a lot of times though.
wide minnow
most likely we are immune to whatever is wrong with the people or we are cloned to not be diseased
not enough to cause the scan to fail
prime silo
Sometimes you have critical infection when you load in.
wide minnow
i havent seen that tbh
carmine carbon
just look before you inject
wide minnow
but i wasnt looking for it either
last saffron
it randomizes each start up but its there
wide minnow
maybe its looking for human DNA
wide minnow
I dont know
opaque pond
Humans only
prime silo
That would mean the monsters aren't even remotely human anymore even a little bit.
opaque pond
Prisoners cortex implants could also have some security clearance
wide minnow
true
prime silo
Yeah, but they were discussing genders before and that means that the gender question is absolutely just silly.
wide minnow
i believe that its a severely mutated body of a previous human
last saffron
cortex interface is just interfacing with your cortex. having it also interface with something outside is a good way to fry a brain
wide minnow
but a good reason not to think it is human is that it has no clothes
prime silo
I wonder if they get made in that big thing in the ceiling.
wide minnow
it may have been a monster creature that has absorbed human bodies or is attempting to duplicate human shape kind of like the thing
last saffron
considering they retain their facial features, doubt so. it could be a breeding grounds for an element though
its hard to say for now because it exists in only 2 spots, for this rundown. maybe in future well get entire sections
which would make me spasm in joy
i love organics.
wide minnow
it is definitely some sort of living organism
last saffron
either way, them not wearing clothes doesnt mean theyre not former humans
prime silo
Dear Diary. Keep Archive Unit away from organics.
last saffron
especially since you can find their uniforms just laying about
sometimes in nice piles
wide minnow
no but if we are thinking they are humans it seems unlikely that none of them would have clothing
prime silo
We don't know how long they've been down there.
last saffron
the corpses mid transformation have clothes on
prime silo
Could have rotted off.
wide minnow
unless perhaps early stages of the virus make you extremely hot or something to remove the clothes
Unlikely
prime silo
Why?
wide minnow
The facility is not in severely poor condition
last saffron
it kinda is
prime silo
Its concrete and metal.
last saffron
its literally falling apart
prime silo
And its in awful condition.
wide minnow
there would be mold
theres no mold or fungal growth in areas with water intrusion
areas falling apart are do the fact stuff is literally breaking it
last saffron
the place literally has sections collapsed
wide minnow
there could be plenty we dont see
there are rooms with equipment and boxes that are in perfect condition
prime silo
I found a squishied person.
wide minnow
theres no fungal, dirt, or mold build up
that would be associated with a long-term neglected area
last saffron
the complex according to documentary stood abandoned for years
also theres that thing is that they dont have to place mold and fungi ingame
wide minnow
ah well maybe they didnt decide to add graphics to support that
prime silo
Dirt.
wide minnow
I would expect it to be more filthy in general on the inside personally
prime silo
Paint failing.
last saffron
stuff on shelves is pretty beaten up too
wide minnow
I've seen houses that have had a roof leak for a few months have more damage than this facility
prime silo
Houses aren't meant to be exposed to the elements.
last saffron
do you live in detroit by chance
prime silo
This facility most likely was.
last saffron
because the facility is about as good as detroit is
last saffron
no i just remembered that detroit was like, left to rot for most part
glad shore
Thinking on it, considering it’s underground, being so enclosed would keep it from getting damaged too badly. The only damage would be water damage near the top where you start the drop.
last saffron
iunno why i remember it
wide minnow
detroit isnt as bad as that
last saffron
its not like, complete ruins last time i checked
prime silo
Isn't detroit the place you go if you want the battle royale version of black friday?
wide minnow
Uh no
prime silo
The Russian Badger lied to me. 😠
wide minnow
Why you guys going out of your way to try to prove everything i say wrong
last saffron
wot
wide minnow
fine I'll leave
prime silo
Just the things that seem wrong? Its part of discussing.
last saffron
we werent really actively trying to bring you down
opaque pond
As the game gets more developed they may add to the aesthetics, or subtract?
glad shore
I would guess add, but still.
prime silo
Its probably just a factor that they're a small team. Adding little bits like mold might be a lower priority.