#gtfo-lore | GTFO | Page 127

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Its probably that

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:28 PM

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That would make sense in the way of managing.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:28 PM

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It does make sense

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:28 PM

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B2 has areas with numbers as low as 16 or so

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while A1 had like 40 etc

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Yeah that makes sense

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So the floors are divided A-Z , 1-100 zones , and a-z for subsections of the zones

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:29 PM

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B2 also houses what looked like their power generators

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or some massive pumps

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Well, I think that B1 and B2 in the rundown screen is just a way number the missions. Not that there is an B1-sector and a B2-sector.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:30 PM

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No thats deliberate

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:30 PM

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yeah, for all we know its just how Warden designates them

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:30 PM

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I would say thats deliberate, due to how the zones have overlapping numberz

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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the areas do have names, like "refinery" according to changelog

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Does B1 and B2 have overlapping numbers?

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I havent checked

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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"New Subcomplex: "Refinery""

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:31 PM

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That would be good , ill try to run through them again to see

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Because it would be bonkers to have Level B, sector 1, area 1-100.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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But i definitely do know that there are overlapping numberd zones

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Throughout the complex

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But this was clearly largescale

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Yeah, but not on the same level.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Could be

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Not as far as I know

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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We dont know how big this entire thing was

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Could have been the entire world working on this

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Or a private company

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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We know that Santonian Industries is running the complex.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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well entire world is a bit of a stretch, but it is very big

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mining operations are not unknown to have gigantic spaces

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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^^^

languid walrus Dec 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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What is explanation for mass amounts of fog in certain areas?

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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There are reactors on multiple levels of the rundown

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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There is one reactor level to play

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Nope I think I made the math yesterday, about the D1 level only being about 6.5% as deep as the world's deepest mine.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Only??

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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That's not accurate @cedar wharf

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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And yeah there is two

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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No no , im saying as there is on reactor to run

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Like defend

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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📎 biggest-largest-salt-mine-europe-slanic-prahova-eastern-europeans-roumanie-romenia-rumc3a4nen-beauti.jpg

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heres an example

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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There are two

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Theres 2??

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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We interact with two reactors in the current rundown

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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C1 and D1

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Which ones?

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Oooooooo

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I havent done d1

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Im on it rn

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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D1 also has a twist that kind of changes a lot of information

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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what?

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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As in?

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Monsters wise or lore about the orgin of the facility

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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The ending sequence of the mission introduces two very interesting things lore wise

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Go on?

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Go onnn

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Spolier mark it

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Remember

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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This is lore-chat I would say you kinda know you are in for spoilers

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Lmao

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Tryw

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Spoiler for those who want to experience it first hand || the shutdown sequence connects to an external computer and then fails to authenticate with the code you are given. Then you fight actual shadows ||

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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welcome to the spook zone

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Great

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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yeah, it does mean that the Warden doesn't have that much access to facility

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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It's a very interesting development

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Sooo then the warden isnt all controlling

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Nope not at all

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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For the facility

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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We know it isnt before that

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Because it couldnt do any of this on it's own

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Warden seems to know whenever an opening has appeared or where specific stuff it needs is

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Yeah but what if there could be something else

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Its relying on the players to carry out objectives

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Like you have to hack every door

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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however warden cant pinpoint stuff precisely

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as example, Warden knows admin is in A1

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but has no idea which area specifically

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only the HSU number

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:39 PM

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The || shadow monsters || also beg the question of whether or not this is one giant outbreak or multiple things happening at once

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:39 PM

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The admin we were sent to retrieve

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I think the Warden is name of an initiative to contain the monsters in the Complex and not necesarrily the players.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Press Kit hints at a laboratory somewhere in the complex

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I could agree with that idea for the Wardens purpose for sure

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And a laboratory would make the numerous reactors make much more sense

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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i can get pics if you want, it has some neat stuff

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Again we know there is Warden symbols in the complex, so they know what is going on down there.

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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We were discussing that the amount of power they could theoretically produce does not at all match the requirements of the facilities we have seen so far

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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ill spoiler mark em

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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So something power intensive probably exists in the rundown somewhere

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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But we also know due to the Rundown mission logs that the outbreak happen rather impulsive and rapidly.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:40 PM

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📎 SPOILER_GTFO_2019_4K_10.png

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📎 SPOILER_GTFO_2019_4K_02.png

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Is that a power sourc

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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That tile set looks awesome

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No, that's a lab setup

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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I see

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Could potentially be a power source I guess, but weve already seen reactors

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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So then they found it first and experimented on it

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Would be odd for them to be making even more power

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:41 PM

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||these are more in line with containment tubes, the stuff inside is probably dead and kept in special liquid to prevent decay||

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:42 PM

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|| it could be hydrostasis ||

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Could be , but i dont see how it would

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Why wouldnt it be? The players are put into hydrostasis after each mission

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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also d1 implies were not the only prisoner team, which was probably obvious to everyone but me

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Yeah but these look like a containment system

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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its just the story is more focused on our 4

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Could be the same thing just in a transparent container

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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True

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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The HSUs are just portable versions of it

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Would these be the first infected tho

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:44 PM

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That's a big possibility

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:44 PM

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📎 SPOILER_GTFO_2019_4K_05.png

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i like to think the hosts arent a result of gov conspiracy and whatnot, but rather accidental exposure

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Accidental by far

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:46 PM

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with these sets being ||santonian trying to study them||

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an important note i keep repeating over and over

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the complex has been abandoned for many years

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according to Simon

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I think the gist of the story is following: Santonian Industries mines in the Crater (based on some real life drillings done in 2016). They find -something- down there, that might not been super harmful and collaborate with what we now know as the Warden. Warden moves down to into the complex and set up labs at the lower levels, away from the gaze of governmental control and such. Somewhere beyond the year 2020 an outbreak happens and totally eradicate the Complex. The Warden says "fuck that shit" and put a lid on the whole operation and let it simmer for a couple of years, hoping that most monsters would get bored and die/decay. And now have re-open the hole to sent people down to salvage whatever useful information and date.

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Yet its still has power corssing through it

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:47 PM

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the main powers down but auxilary stuff usually doesnt require too much to just keep going

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most systems are off so it only keeps just enough for a few lights and doors to be operational

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Well || we are sent down and activate/deactivate various power sources ||

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Wait

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Why would we need to deactivate power

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Its possible that somebody hit an emergency kill switch and we just need to flip things back on

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Dont know, they dont tell you the why

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:48 PM

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i dont see why stuff wouldnt be in working condition, rusty, but no reason for them to be completely broken

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Probably at the start of the breakout, the stuff broke

proven agate Dec 12, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Probably collateral from the outbreak yeah

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Fighting that caused all of the dead bodies we find

dire shuttle Dec 12, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@cedar wharf If you only have aux power and a system is draining power it can be necessary to disable it

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:49 PM

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the funny thing is, the uniforms are left pretty much intact for most part

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sometimes entire suits even

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or piles of them

dire shuttle Dec 12, 2019, 6:50 PM

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High grade polymer mesh fiber???

inner flax Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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sorry if i missed this being discussed already but do we have any idea what those weird growth things inside the monsters are?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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we had some guesses but cant say for sure yet

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Well, as we see most of the monsters are naked it might be some kind of symptom that your body is wildly overheating. So infected people might enter a feverish state and removing their clothing

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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the only areas those arent present in are arms and legs

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Most likely pods. Thes shooty guys seems to shoot them.

inner flax Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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i saw that "demon tick" message but they dont really look like ticks and more like eggs

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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the Horde Shooter growths look identical to them actually

dire shuttle Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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They look almost like a cancerous groth that hardens

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:53 PM

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if discord bloody lets me upload the pic

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📎 493520_screenshots_20191211163617_1.jpg

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take a look, this one bugged so she didnt attack

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still trying to understand why the "horde" has different color

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outside of gameplay ofcourse

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Wdym the horde?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:54 PM

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the hosts which come during alarms and scout cries

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i call them "Horde" since theyre always in large groups

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Well, it seems like they communicate somewhat with light, so it might just be a high alert mode

cedar wharf Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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What about sound then?

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They seem sound based

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And some of them dont even have hearing

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Mainly the scout

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Well they can be both

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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i considered the burst of light they release to be akin to a cloud of pheromones

last gale Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Trabalhar ngm quer neh mutuera de nutella

dire shuttle Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 PM

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You dont need hearing to sense vibrations

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Also scout emits a huge ass blue light

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 PM

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the horde judging by the sound always comes from somewhere deeper, its like they navigate the ventilation

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how do the giant ones fit there i cant tell

dire shuttle Dec 12, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@last saffron seems like that about the pheromones

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 6:57 PM

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my theory with the light was that these creatures where linked to deep see fish

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they look kinda like it

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(or are at least as ugly)

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:58 PM

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i like the idea of deep sea, since everything down there glows

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 6:58 PM

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and also we are most likely underwater

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 6:59 PM

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the center of meteor impact is underwater

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not that deep really, but it is off coast

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📎 Yucatan_chix_crater.jpg

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its mostly covered in a layer of sediment which the first expedition had to dig through

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Get fucked dinos!

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 7:00 PM

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local space rock ruins everything

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 7:00 PM

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well HSU is used in drilling industry for Hydro static unit

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 7:01 PM

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But that is static not stasis

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 7:01 PM

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i also sayed drilling

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not prisoners ^^

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 7:02 PM

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not sure if its a spelling error, but start up sequence says "hydrostatis"

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📎 rsz_493520_screenshots_20191212220137_1.jpg

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Interesting that it says "006 Manual Override"

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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📎 rsz_493520_screenshots_20191212220152_1.jpg

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Could this mean that there are more Wardens?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 7:05 PM

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the start up i guess is just a program revaluating you inside HSU

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it runs a diagnostic and then someone from outside interferes, which is most likely warden

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 7:06 PM

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oh and hydro qva is water quality

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but not shure about that one

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Right under that, NRV

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Is that referring to Net Realizable Value?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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nrv probe

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nerve probe

lucid perch Dec 12, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Fun thing

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Warden, is likely, an AI

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AI that tends to explore deep underground complex where people were changed

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In SOMA, Warden is an AI that overlooks deep underwater complex where due to disaster people were changed

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Interesting.

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WAU stand for Warden Unit https://soma.fandom.com/wiki/WAU

SOMA Wiki

WAU

The WAU is an embedded computer system, or artificial general intelligence, constructed by Carthage Industries with the intent of overseeing maintenance across all PATHOS-II facilities, with Dr...

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Well that is a stretch of a claim

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especially when devs themselves have said that warden can be a lot of things

lucid perch Dec 12, 2019, 8:19 PM

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I'm ready to bet it's an AI.

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There is likely multiple wardens though, unlike SOMA.

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Still, that would be a nice crossover of Warden AIs :)

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 8:20 PM

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or The Warden can be a post-nazi

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But just throwing it out there

bright steppe Dec 12, 2019, 8:34 PM

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What freaks me out about the start up initialization is infection level high

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The implications are not great <:I

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:48 PM

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They aren’t but I wanna point that whatever is going on, this is not your first time fighting. You’re being “redeployed” not “deployed”.

cinder canyon Dec 12, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I'm new and only played a few games but I got a pretty heavy SCP feel

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Like the warden is O5 and players are D personell sent to investigate a leak

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Possibly. Trying to figure out what the Warden is at this point isn’t really doable. Warden could even be the player, but if I was gonna make a guess on something... The Cortex interface part when you log in, the scream you hear as it activates, all that, it makes me think that whatever is going on, you are at the very least looking through the eyes of the prisoners. That is, if you are a actual prisoner of warden, not the facility. Though back to the cortex thing, I was thinking that it’s possible each expedition you run is in a new body, like the cortex let’s you control that body while you are somewhere else, hooked up on wires and plugs, running these expeditions over and over again, dying repeatedly and trying again.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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the infection stat is random on each startup so for now i treat it as flavor text

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Does show up at the end of the expeditions too along with vitals and mental state.

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If you extract, that is.

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 8:55 PM

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all i am hearing right now is that we need flamethrowers, a shitload of flamethrowers

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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which is potentially disaster because i started exploring the idea of host "deviants" being the result of prisoner teams going up

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I would agree but... You’re wearing gas masks for a reason. Pretty sure burning them just increases the amount of infected particles in the air.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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all flamers would do is just burn all the oxygen

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I mean, the fog has to come from somewhere after all, and I get the feeling it’s not just a facility feature...

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 8:56 PM

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alright no flamethrowers

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this was going to be my campaign to get them added into the game so i could finally live my dream as an exterminating pyromaniac but i suppose it is not to be

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:57 PM

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I mean maybe. Just gotta get creative with the pyrotechnics.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 8:58 PM

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i understand how being an exterminator is fun but itd just destroy the theme of the game

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Straight up fire may be bad, but I can see some plasmic goo stuff or something.

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 8:58 PM

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that is true @last saffron

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 8:59 PM

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lore wise the reason why we cant simply send an army down there could be same reason deviations, like scouts, giants, spikers and shades exist

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 9:00 PM

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that or the rest of the world / galaxy doesnt know

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:00 PM

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They do check infection level each time you come back. What’s weird to me is that the infection level doesn’t seem to matter, but your mental state is always red. Like that’s the reason you’re flagged to avoid redeployment.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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a wild guess me and others had is that the 4 main characters are from the complex, potentially witnessing its fall too

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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well, using prisoners who are on the edge could point to lucrative deals; maybe the prisoners are just handed off to the warden and whomever they may be because who's gonna miss them?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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which is shown as that scream flashback

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Bishop apparently has ties to Santonian, he made their website according to its source

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http://santonianindustries.com/

SANTONIAN Industries

Homepage of SANTONIAN Industries, strategic investors group.

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Hackett has Santonian emblem on his chest

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Come to think of it, you’re not handed off to warden... Doesn’t warden or something use an override? That implies your HSU or cortex or whatever isn’t being given over willingly.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Woods sees some religious meaning in all this, viewing the complex as purgatory

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 9:04 PM

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@glad shore it doesnt say who inputs the override, does it?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:04 PM

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and Dauda is very secretive and seems to have solutions at hand all the time

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📎 rsz_493520_screenshots_20191212220137_1.jpg

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:05 PM

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It doesn’t, but that makes me feel like there is no one watching over the facility. At least, not anyone actually there. I think the prisoners are all that’s left.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:05 PM

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the facility has been abandoned for many years

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direct quote from documentary by Simon

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Ah right, think I watched that...

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Warden knows approximate locations of stuff it needs, but never knows precisely

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it also knows whenever a passageway has opened

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evident by D1 description

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:06 PM

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It’s also lacking clearance for this from a facility level. Otherwise you wouldn’t have to get the administrator sample.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:07 PM

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theres a bit of implication in generator mission, ||during escape it connects to an external source but the code youre given is rejected||

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:08 PM

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It feels like there’s something down at the deepest parts of this facility with all the work you’re putting in to get it into a semblance of operation.

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Like each rundown’s gonna prep the next.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:14 PM

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certainly feels like so. Warden needs very specific things, Administrators dna, officer ids etc

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Feels like you’re opening pathways deeper, like it’s probing for a route to the core.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:14 PM

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it also mentions how the D1 mission has a very high death toll expected

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C1-2 is where the funky thing start happening to the hosts

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prime example Spikers as a came to call them

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havent had the chance to see them myself yet

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and alongside that, C2 has large, living growths

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by the looks of it, the root of all evil lies beneath D area, at the very bottom of the crater

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deeper than the first expedition to it

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:20 PM

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This is making me realize I need to do some runs. Been unable to get a game going since I got it, had irl stuff in the way.

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Those month long rundowns might lead to that area...

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:21 PM

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i want to get to C so i can take a gander at what monstrosities lurk in there

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Sup

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I saw what is in c2

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And the spikers are quite... Weird, I don't understand how exactly they work

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I think the further down we go the more mutated the hosts become

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The spikers are covered in this black goo

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 9:29 PM

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We do know there’s gonna be more. At the very least, there’s that tentacle grabby thing from the initial trailers.

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Looking forward to watching one grab a teammate, yank them around the corner and the whole team give a collective “nope”.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:47 PM

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@wanton ember about your flame thrower i would doubt it would be useful real life flamethrower only had enoth fuel for 7min tops and then you would carry more weight then 2 other players combined. or you get that big blow torch that elon musk sells and that would be just a fancy shitty shotgun

wanton ember Dec 12, 2019, 9:48 PM

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look man

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im just the internet funny haha man

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im here to kill monsters but i just have my preferences

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:48 PM

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i know and i love me purching some xenos

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but still a big flame thrower would not fit the theme

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and i am just wonderin why they are not getting a little army in there and purg that shit clean

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Actually

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:49 PM

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instead of small expandable teams

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:49 PM

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a flame thrower would be pretty cool

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as a limited source

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:49 PM

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so they ever do not have the resourced or not the intentions

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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like the special weapon

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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and i doubt it is the resources

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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flamethower would be cool

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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because that could potentially to cause things to spiral out of control

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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^

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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in what way ?

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I was literally about to say that

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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worst case senario your little army dies

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Plus if they use the small teams of criminals they save resources

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Why risk good soldiers?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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It could spawn something horrific enough to not only shred said army limb from limb but also get out of there

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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I think a a flame turret could be nice.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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because its a soldiers job to be risk

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Yes but why use a soldier in the first place?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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but if something like this exist then this will not change a thing

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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not flame turret

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Just use the trash of the world

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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just flame thower

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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ok then use a lot of sayed trash and pump them down there

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Good point

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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when defending you just torch the doors once they break through

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but runs out of ammo really fast

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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and cause same reaction as an army

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Who says they arent?

uncut shale Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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im willing to bet that it takes place in hell, and the prisoners have to complete the tasks of the keeper of hell which would be the warden in order to earn freedom

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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kinda like a last scenario thing

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I doubt that any official government knows what's going on down there.

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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@uncut shale it takes place in mexico

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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youre still sending a ton of armed thing to make noise and disturb it

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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One team could be all on different floors at the same time

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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basically the same thing tho

uncut shale Dec 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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damn ok

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@atomic tree my point

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Rather then an army on one floor

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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so they are trying to keep this shit low profile

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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im considering how scouts, shades, giants, spikers are a result of just warden sending teams down

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Yeah its a zombie outbreak essentially

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@last saffron why

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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defensive reaction

uncut shale Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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zombies that remind me of aliens tho

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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not every stange creature has to be the Tyranits

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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each in a way combat how you do things around

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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If you told UN: "Yeah guys, we literally made a hell hole with a highly deadly virus", I think most of the UN would vote to send down a nuke to the lowest level and let the whole complex collapse on itself.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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and i have seen no indication of rapid adaptaion

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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adapting isnt a tyranid exclusive thing

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@atomic tree exatcly

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but they want something

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the question is what

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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@atomic tree The company not wanting to waste money and time would probably try to contain said outbreak instead of nukeing

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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@last saffron i know it was an example

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Unless the UN is in on it and wants something out of it and are holding off on the button

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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and i sayed hyper adaptaion

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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a nuke would probably cause more issues globally, considering where the crater is

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Juss sayin

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Exactly my point, UN would go "let's nuke", Warden Initiative want to salvage something from down there.

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Big what if the UN is the one that wants something tho

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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and thats where i wanted to go what do they want

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Thats the thing

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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if it was a research base probably research data

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Don't think so, then they would launch a full scale military operation.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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maybe then want to use what ever these creatures are

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maybe what they did was not legale or realy shady and they try to minimise the people knowing of what they did

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Sure the virus is deadly and the monsters are lethal, but they DO die to lead. So deploying a fuck load of soldiers would easily sweep up the place.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:57 PM

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so use as few human recourses as possible as every person is a potential weakpoint

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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giants arguably will rip you in half while eating half your ammo like its nothing

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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when you have 2 mgs in full outo at him i doupt that

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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plus its likely they know the complex waay better than any army will

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Yeah, but think of how much 4 guys achieve down there right now.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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considering how fast a horde will zone in on you

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aside from getting every objective done lore wise?

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Objectives done, monsters killed

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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@last saffron you know WW1 MG nest caunter charges

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and your army could mine and weld everything shut

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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doors dont seem to be an issue for them

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Im thinking what happened was that the research was started by the UN and joint with the warden thingy and because it went sideways they cant risk a leak of information so they employ these criminals to cover up their mess

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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and the creaturey are probably not super fast breeders if they can breed at all normaly

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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They get reduced sentence and the gov gets their dirty work done

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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@last saffron "MINE and weld everything shut"

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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also lots of firepower can easily mean theyll just bury themselves in their zealous purge

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the place is already on its last legs

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Well, we already know that the complex was built by the Santonian Industries.

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So I don't think that hold up Fuzzy

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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This reminds me alot of SCP

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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we are talking guns and shreder mines not HE

lilac island Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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And D-class personnel

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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minimal structural damage

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Maybe im just sayin ya know thats what happened with umbrella and racoon city

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It sounds fimiler

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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the worst thing that could haben would be if you use some of these russian anti material MGs

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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umbrella didnt have anything to do with UN

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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No no the UN

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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but they would make even the big guy minced meat

ebon adder Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Different instance

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Same senario

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Well, that is fallacy to assume that things happing in another story is equal to this.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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i dont think an mg will be that effective considering some of them dont give a damn if top half of their bodies got ripped off

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Oh yeah, the little ones can work without their upper body

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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@last saffron so the mg nead 4 bullets instead of 2

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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sending an army blind in a place crawling with things which know every nook and cranny to get to you isnt the brightest idea

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especally if some of these things can be invisible

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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who sayed blind

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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But sending 4 people is?

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Well

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If you send tons, there's more risk of something goes wrong

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Warden has no idea precisely where stuff is so its safe to assume they wont have stuff like complete complex layout either

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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4 people is not even a complete fire team

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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So?

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The more people you send. The more likely they won't come back

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Well

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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not true

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Well, the point is sending a trained unit in to sweep out a section and then hunker down a base of operation would seem a better strategy.

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Soldiers aren't Trained to fight these things

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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more people = more fire power and more cover

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Less cover.

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Since bodies take up space

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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the complex isnt one giant chamber you can hunker down in

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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well they die from body shots so yes they are trained to fight these things

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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its a combination of whatever

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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and if not just train them for a month

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its not like they are so strange to fight

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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train for what

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invisible shrieking face rippers?

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Well, human history have proven that firearms vs non-firearms tends to win, a lot.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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train for naruto runners

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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or a giant monster which can whip at you from quite far

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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But we're talking about an infection aswell.

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That is what the creatures are, right?

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They seem Human enough

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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the hosts arent stupid either

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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that why you get a squad with a bunch of fire power

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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they dont just rush you in a neat line

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they scamper around

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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they are not even whearing pody armor

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well of curse

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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try going loud in b2 and ill see how long youll last

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Again

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4 people

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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i am not 30 people

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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ill equiped

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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with 10 meavy or medium MGs

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Lemme explain: if you send tons down without enough protection, they'll get infected. Which means more creatures. Which means, cycle repeats

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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30 people in that place are more likely to shoot eachother up

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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It's confined, not a caveen

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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its not a nice, open chamber for you to settle in

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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dude we are talking soldiers not crazy gun nuts

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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What is modern warfare

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Why send 100 when 4 work just as well?

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Like we do wars and we do them pretty good.

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Even urban combat

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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as far as i know soldiers arent trained to fight things which can tear you limb from limb

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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because 100 is far more quicker

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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But these things don't follow rules.

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So they also have no remorse or mercy

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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What rules?

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Geneva convention

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Like certain terror groups

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Besides that

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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But I think these things kinda override the geneva conventions

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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a terror group is still something you can apply humanity to, you know how they work

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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@last saffron so you are saying if i but a group of 8 soldiers to gight 2 gorillas the soldiers will lose ?

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Sending down an army might also not be viable for the structure, since it looks like it's over a huge chasm

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Like 4 untrained men can take down a big guy down by flailing their mining equipment at it.

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Well

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These are expendables

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@wheat trail you do not have to send them all at once

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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a gorilla doesnt need much to break you so they might as well.

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Still, bad idea.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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youre in their environment mind you, on their terms

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these things have been there for years

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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^

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@last saffron you are severly underestimating moder fire arms

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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But do they have sentient even be aware of "their terms"

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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youre severely understimating wildlife

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theres a reason boar hunting is considered a life risk

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we can argue like this for hours really

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Everything is a life risk

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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What Slaaneshi is saying is that these things aren't dumb, but also aren't civilised? Did I get that correctly?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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a bore is far more tanky then these things are

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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you also have to take into account that just because you can smack a big one down ingame it doesnt mean lore wise it wouldnt just look at you and wipe the floor with you

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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But we are dealing with an enemy that doesn't really seem to strategies, easily baited by sound and need a guy to send out tendrils in a 20m radius to be aware of whats going on.

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Well

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No

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The scouters act as alarms

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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also the big ones tongue is different than others, trying to get a clear picture

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their tips feel almost serrated

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Still a very shitty alarm

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@last saffron oh and when i meant heavy MG i mean this in full outo

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https://cdn.thingiverse.com/assets/4f/0d/76/bf/e8/IMG_1447.JPG

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Well

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Literally anything with eyes is a better scout

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Mentally, this could break soldiers

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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you shoot a bigger caliber of the in game sniper rifle in full outo

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Seeing a tentacle monster touch your friend, let out a shriek, and then monsters swarm you? That is sanity damage.

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Plus, the droning silence

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

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you have to be really special to use that kind of weaponry in environment that cramped

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

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The facility itself, is alive, in a sense

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:16 PM

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why it savers then 9mm

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:16 PM

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not trying to insult anyone just in case its not clear through text

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:16 PM

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that think will penetrade and not bounce

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and you will probalby only need a few of these to protect choke points

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to take care of the big guys

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Sure thing horrible visuals can be disturbing for a soldier, but again, you are arguing that a trained soldier would handle that worse than these 4 untrained fuckers.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:17 PM

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the rest i would go with 5.56

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to give more ammo

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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@atomic tree The Untrained Fuckers™ are already insane. They wouldn't shudder at this, most likely

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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the 4 are also most likely from that place already

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they potentially know it better than warden does

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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^

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Thats.. Probably possible

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Bishop being prime example

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Well, we know that one of the people have ties to the Santonian institute

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

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They're previous employees?

atomic tree Dec 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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And also unstable is not a positive trait

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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It's not

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Bishop is referenced in Santonian site sourcecode

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Hacketts outfit has the emblem on it so he either worked there, or was affiliated. or scavenged from it somewhere

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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also when you use big flood lights and superior fire power the enemy will change from scary to just ugly

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Dauda knows alot apparently, while being sneaky about it

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Simon describes dauda as having a solution to every problem at hand, while being secretive

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Hold on

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So they were.. Co Workers, possibly?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Dauda is determined, cunning and always has a solution at hand, but he is also very secretive.

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Woods thinks the complex is a purgatory so hes only one standing a bit different

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Woods has found God, but not redemption. Redemption he believes he has to earn while trapped in The Complex. In his mind, it's Purgatory.

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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It seems like purgatory

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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thing is, in life those things wouldnt look like funky video game enemies

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so saying having a spotlight on them will make them less spooky isnt really true

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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That's ironic.

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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if anything itll just highlight the details on them

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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And further degrade sanity.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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well yeah

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but first you can become acostome to anything

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and secound things are only scary as long as they are unknown

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Not really

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Each mutant is slightly different

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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i dont know how can you get accustomed to being whipped by a gigantic glowing intestine with a mouth

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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It's like prepping yourself for a jumpscare

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:23 PM

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a tiger is unly scary as long as he is not chariging you when he charges you are to full od adrenalin to be scared

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:24 PM

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It doesn't work, even though you know it's there

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:24 PM

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but you can lure them

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:24 PM

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a tiger isnt scary because most times you see it, its in an enclosure. we also know how to prevent a tiger charge

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:24 PM

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you open a door

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get your mg in positon and then sit on a fart cusion ore something

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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and then a crawler bites your legs off because it skittered just below your view

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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also turn on the flood lights and you have they come to you

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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while you were busy firing at its 55 gorillion friends

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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What about superior fire power do you not understand

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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as i said, this can go on forever

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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you get a few medium mgs

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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did you even read what i wrote

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Look, a few guns can do nothing against numbers

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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maybe 1 heavy who only takes care of the big guy if some show up

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and some normal firle man who use 5.56

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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You'll get fucking overwhelmed eventually

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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skidadled outside your view while youre being swarmed by its friends

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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you could even give then lmgs

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so they can spreay an pray

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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*** @fickle garden What happens when you run out of ammo***

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Hm?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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theyre not stupid as i said before, they wont just form a waiting line for you

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

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yeah you let the lmg take care of the sneaky one

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the mmg about the normal one

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an the hmg about the big ones

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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now multiply the sneaky one from every side

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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What happens when you run out of ammo?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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noone said nothing will crawl from behind, out of the hole

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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the run at you

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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They can also crawl

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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yes they are no fucking dodos

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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And shoot things

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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in fact can you guarantee something from the hole wont go up to check you out

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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they will not jump into your bullets but they do not have tactiks

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 PM

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something already went up once

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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They do have tactics

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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nothing says it cant do it again

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Just jumping in here to say that thinking the adrenaline eliminates fear, if you weren't afraid you wouldn't have adrenaline

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Fight or flight response my dude

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Flight would most likely happen

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Exactly, they're horrific looking monsters which take up a lot of bullets

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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@midnight spoke you never had that feeling before ?

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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That's enough to break a vets moral

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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if a single guy panics he might accidentally shoot his own troop

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Actually I have

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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considering how cramped the place is

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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where you where realy scared of something but when it happens your brain is clear and focused

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and depending on what it was you become scared again when its over

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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That doesn't mean the fear is gone

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It means your body is going into survival mode

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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and supressed the fear

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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It wouldn't feel that way without the fear still existing otherwise you'd be normal

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No, Kek

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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thats gone in my book

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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theres also this point that those things dont need much to bring you down

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armor is good an all, except they dont shoot bullets

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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sorry but when the scary things happen i do not feel fear

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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kevlar wont stop the blunt force

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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slaaneshi

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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and too much armor will just slow them down, if not overheat them

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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they are a little tankier then naked humans

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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id imagine its hot down there

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Bruh, it's basic biology to understand fight or flight is largely based on fear or other intense emotions, it doesn't supress the fear it overrides it

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Big difference

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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differnt how

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i am an engineer not a biologist so pls elaburate

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why should it be hot

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i hade more the feeling that it is preety cold

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

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place has no ventilation, fog indicates its pretty humid down there

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Suppress normally indicates it eliminates some of the issue, override implies that every ounce of fear is still there and that your primal response for survival would take control, if you so much as feel less fear it will affect the amount of adrenaline received this your reaction

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Can I explain the words in ork?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

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fog normaly means cold where i live

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when its fogy outside its fucking cold

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Da dakka not gunna get al da gitz.

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Aka, You will run out of bullets eventually

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Best explanation

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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plus generally temperature actually increases the deeper you go as strange as it is

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Solution

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Need more dakka

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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alongside pressure

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Always need more dakka

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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dude

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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C sits at...almost a kilometer underground or so

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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It's not strange if you consider the possibility of a geothermal plant powering the station

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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or was that D

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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i am not talking about dump everyone down there and leave

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Or

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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i am talking about 1 big invasion a

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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The monsters producing intense level of heat

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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some where "saveish"

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then clear the rooms

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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thing is

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nowhere is safe

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literally nowhere

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I've been trying to explain that.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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to creat more "saveish" space

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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They crawl from every where

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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you will map everything out while doing so

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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And what if they can infect people?

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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They can

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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and set up choke poitn

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Large numbers can lead to an epidemic

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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whatever made the gigantic hole you arrive in could return at any point and boom goes your only way in and out

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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See, hermit gets it

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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if every person you get down there kills at least 2 then not it will not lead to an epidemic

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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And if you really want to terrify an army, have their own men, people they know, turn into these shit things and kill their friends

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Apophis, theres literally no way, that an army could clear the facillity. We have no idea how many rooms there are.

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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That leads to attrition

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Epidemic isnt related to how many you kill

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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And that won't work in a fight against an enemy who can turn your own men

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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and do not get me wrong i am not saying we go all rambo on them i am talking about a carefull thought out advance with multible fall back points and a suply line

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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IT'S UNDERGROUND

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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if someone gets infected and actively spreads it to others, by accident most likely, its an epidemic

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you have only one way in and out

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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THERE IS NO SUPPLY LINE

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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and i would be far less scared if i go that 7 dude whoul watch my back when entering every room each with heavy weaponry

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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What if two of them were infected

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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and also that we can fall back to a "save space"

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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What if infected get into the safe space

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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what if something decided to waddle into said safe space

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youre assuming hosts arent moving about

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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@wheat trail how are the guy getting down there? oh right a suply line

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Hordes always come from areas youve been in

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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switch the people out for boxes of ammo and rations

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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THERES NO SUPPLY LINE, JUST A HOLE

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a very deep hole

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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dude how are you going down this hole

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they are not climbing

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they use that lift thing

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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you have a single entrance which looks like it had a sandworm from dune go up from

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thats it

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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The lift carries 4 people dude

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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you dont have any backup exits

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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The logistics alone, would take ages

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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yes 4 people at a time

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

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the tiny, narrow tunnel is your only means of getting out

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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there holding aperatus

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you can modifly that to carry 4 to maybe 8 people in weigh in ammonition

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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youre spending a whole lot of resource on a disaster which can be avoided

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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4 people at a time, while sweeping, making a safe zone, making sure no one gets infected?

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Not going to work

wheat trail Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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This is like arguing with a word bearer...

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Especially against an enemy with no morals, no exhaustion, no fear

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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so thats 320 to 640 kg of equipment at a time

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@midnight spoke who sayed that

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get 4 people down

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let them just wait

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get the next

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get the next

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get some equipment

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het the next

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Yeah, but only a certain amount of people can fit in the rooms dude

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Especially with equipment involved

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:42 PM

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you can even take 4 up

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yes

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thats what i am saying

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take a1 for example

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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You won't get enough men in to be able to manage infected allies as is

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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you can fit 16 dude in the first room

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with no problem

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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That is by far not enough to make a "safe space"

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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WHO SAYED THAT

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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FaceThing ReversedConfusedUlf

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ConfusedUlf FaceThing

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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dude do you even read what i am writing here

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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PirateSimon i was told the drop zone is clear

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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you can get 16 people in there EASYLY in the FIRST room

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Clear of life

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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they just need to protect that room and you get in equipment

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Yes, then you still have an issue of infected occurring with such small numbers

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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get big centrys for example

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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You don't have enough men for a medical unit

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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what guarantees they wont get swamped

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Yet alone protection for it

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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those things are pretty fast and theres not much room to retreat

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unless you wanna jump into the hole

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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why should they get swarmed

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Why wouldn't they?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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because thats what the hosts doo?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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they are not activly searching anything

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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They're a hive?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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they wont just wait for you

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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and they do not open doors

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why not ?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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theyll charge at you at full speed, flipping and moving

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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they did not show any initative at all

warm vale Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Wait, can you go past the 4 player limit?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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why should they

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Asking 4 people to stay quiet is easier than an entire platoon + equipment

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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no

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why

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its just

warm vale Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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You were talking about packing 16

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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stay relative quiet (because the creatures are preety deaf) and wait for the automated centrys with big drum mags

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then you get more people

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Hold on

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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maybe a big life tetactor

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and soop the roooms 8 man at a time

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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You can't fit more people in the room, 16 is the limit

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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why is 16 the limit

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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So you're putting men in front of sentries

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:47 PM

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that room is massive

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dude you do not want to entertain my idear do you

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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not massive enough to have that many people and have them all be quiet enough to not get noticed

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Using your example

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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we are talking about 4 hours tops

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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youre assuming nothing a level below the drop point can hear you

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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No I don't, because I understand military doctrine, ethics and biological warfare

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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there might be something on other side of the hole too

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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this will all probably happen in the first 4 hours (depending on the speed of that thing but it should be quiet qickly)

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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You're sending men in to get infected, as you have 0 counter for it at this point

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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"there might be something on other side of the hole too" MIGHT does not mean shit

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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No, it does

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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there MIGHT be a button in the first room that kills all the monsters

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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youre literally going off that everything in your plan is flawless

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Because as a strategist and a military leader you have to consider possibilities

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

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im pointing out why its stupid

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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there MIGHT be a giant dildo at the bottom

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Otherwise you fuck up, lose men or worse

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The supply line

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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i am at the bottom, waiting for your platoon to arrive Owo

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Lmao send in 16 units to defend a point that MIGHT have two disadvantages actually makes your plan that much more unbelievable

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Do they set up or not

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

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the thing is

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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heres also a question

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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all you can say against a big military operation is MIGHT bes

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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why are you setting up on that level specifically

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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You also can't keep a steady supply line with one machine, 5 floors hundreds of metres apart

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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whats in there that you want an entire army to get for you

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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and i do not deal in MIGHT bees

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i deal in chances things happen or they are not happening

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Actually, best bet?

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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all this preparation..and it turns out theres nothing but mining chemicals

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Sec ops team

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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resources well spent!

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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They're trained for these situations

woven wolf Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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obviously The Warden is just a front name for the SCP foundation

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Keeping quite, eliminating hostiles one by one

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Only need a team of 4 too

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I do not not know. what is in there that you send 4 people in there instead of burning the thing to the ground and fill it up with concreat

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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SCP would probably have detonated the entire place to be fair

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Just drop a big bomb in hole monsters gone me so smart

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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why send anything in there

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Warden unlike you has specific goals

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it knows what it wants

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:52 PM

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@grizzled musk no Guarantee they die

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Sealed, sure

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Joking

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Also would take a nuke

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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theres possibility of time constraints

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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yes slaanehi

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Or H bomb

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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and the question that i was trying to get to is WHY

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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you simply might not have time to do all these things before your objective expires

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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why NOT send an army

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Dunno, maybe he left his ex's number at the basement

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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for like a million reasons we already told you?

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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And needs everything to get there

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Who knows

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

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possiblity 1. not cost effective

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does not have the recoursed to do so

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keeping it low porfile

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Arguing the why people are going there, doesn't help the army invasion tbh

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

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maybe something airborn that would be to risky to set up permanent camp (but why only 4 then and only so little ammo)

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Cost, needless loss of trained professionals, only worsening the situation, complete lack of any proper goal for said army, the fact that complex is broken into 6 different parts

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

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hermit

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i am seriously doupting you are reading what i am writing

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:56 PM

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No I am

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:56 PM

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we are past that

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Okay, so why are we discussing something like this

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:56 PM

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You know why they are underprepared, they’re not expected to survive like a spec ops team

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Ehh

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If you watch the interview it explains it

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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the 4 prisoners you play are too familiar with the place for it to be their first time really

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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They don't have any form of military training, they're a bunch if scrappers who are forced to do this

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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which is strange since they know how to handle things, but they get surprised by how large the place is

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so they both know and dont know

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Naturally they're not going to have great or bountiful equipment

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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they know how security works in the place etc too

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Probably due to being scrappers

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Cost (just sayed that), needless loss of trained professionals (you are completly underestimating modern fire arms), only worsening the situation (how? worst case scenario you killed more monster then new ones could be created), complete lack of any proper goal for said army(they have the same goal as the prissoners), the fact that complex is broken into 6 different parts (so what that makes it even easier)

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I imagine they've run into security systems else where

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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oh and needeles loss of trained personal

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you know that the training to be a soldier is there to make you expandable

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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you just confirmed you didnt bother reading anything so, yeah. 11/10

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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soldier are spend

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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6 different parts doesn't make it easier, you have a single supply line and 6 locations

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That's bad mojo

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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i explained about...4 times why having a big gun wouldnt make it easier.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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dude i just wrote that and i get spamed by 2 of you

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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not gona bother anymore.

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Oh no, differing opinions

grizzled musk Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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If you write something wrong expect to be corrected, welcome to the World Wide Web

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

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going about the prisoners, they feel like they either worked or scavenged in the place

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scavengers feel apropriate

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i think Simon calls them that too

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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They were probably scavenging the complex, maybe above ground

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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hermit

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJP4xHwdmno

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fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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it makes it easier because you can focuse on clearing one part at a time

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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No

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No it doesn't

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

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the documentary if youre interested, this is where the age of the complex comes from

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alongside other nifty things

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:01 PM

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We don't even know how the monsters move about complexes, if they can

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Vents etc

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I watched it, it is neat

last saffron Dec 12, 2019, 11:01 PM

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the horde scouts call always appear in rooms youve been in

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probs for gameplay reason

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Even then, it's safe to assume there's other systems connecting the floors other than a giant hole

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Electric conduits, vents, pipes

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There's a list of things that would need to connect each floor

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:04 PM

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there do not HAVE to be there but they probably do

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we do not know how they procreat

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maybe it was just personal in that room

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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They do have to be there, otherwise how would the warden know exactly what's on each level

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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or maybe they went there before the big hole happend

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old maps

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Not accurate enough

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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someone build this place

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why not

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Medkits etc could have been used by preexisting people

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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but

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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However he has an up to date content list

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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the warden does not know there location

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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So? That's beside the point

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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its just the computers at each floor who know this

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and they do not seem to be connected

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Exactly

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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so they are probably NOT connected

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Hold up

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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so there are probably NO connection

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Let me explain something

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It's easily possible for there to be a connection but the location to be corrupted, or even it's a security system that only allows for local queries

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That's a lot of explanations that work

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But I guarantee you that the warden can connect and get basic data

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Otherwise those lists wouldn't exist

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:08 PM

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you know what is the best security system to not get hacked

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to not be connected

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Bruh, you are wrong there

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:09 PM

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simplist and one of the best security sytems you can have

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ask my shadowrun group

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why

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Because just because the warden can connect, doesn't mean the world can

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The warden is obviously in the complex, at the very top

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Therefore it's safe to assume the complex is connected

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Because it's a complex

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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but the warden can NOT connect

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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And cutting off sections in the complex is an IT nightmare

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I've explained this

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He can

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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or i would not have to do the computer mini game

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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How else does he get the list

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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what list

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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He knows exactly what's down there

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That's been stated

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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where

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

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In the complex

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Are you trolling?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:11 PM

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no

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he know that that one thing is down there

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that does not mean connection at all

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or he could tell you "its in zone 52F probably in on the most wester shellf"

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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So there’s a few reasons the warden can’t connect. One is sorta the reason A1 exists. The warden can access the prisoners with an override, but lower sectors require admin dna access. That’s why you need to access an admin HSU at the start.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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like you can do in every decent warehouse

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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A. It does because he has to find the rough location of it, so what section I.e. A1
B. He also has access to item lists

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@glad shore the DNA would be for access

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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A no it does not

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there are dozens of reasons

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Right. So there’s probably similar access for warehouse and supply management.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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ware logs

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for example

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offline data

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Which can not be relied on

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For a Shut down complex

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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As well, if the infection was created in house or experimented on, separate sections would be impractical in the event of an outbreak.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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yes thats why his data is so shitty

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Yet it still accurately tells you the floor

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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well if this is a top secret reasarch base in the middle of no where

keen onyx Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Just noticed the location of the complex is in Japan

glad shore Dec 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

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If this stuff infects rapidly, the order to seal off entire sectors would need to have remote access from other floors, minimum.

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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i would have as little connection as possible

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Exactly

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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shadowrun as example again

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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How you would run things is irrelevant

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Because you're not running it

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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ok

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if someone with 1 brain cell would plan a super secret ressearch base he would use as little connection as possible

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Hahaha

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No, he'd limit connection to the outside world

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:15 PM

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take as a example a bank tresure

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Bank treasure and secret facilities are two very different things my dude

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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it is not profen that he has acces to anything

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no they are not

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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For secret facilities, best to look at military bases and government buildings

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They are

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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see the nak robers as hackers

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Okay, see, right there

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

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and the treasure as your local network

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:17 PM

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That doesn't work

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:17 PM

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you want to give as few angles of attack as possible

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and the local network could be damaged

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:17 PM

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SO THEY HAVE AN ISOLATED NETWORK FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:17 PM

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if they had a big one to begin with

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Unless you think hackers can bring in their own connection to the outside world, break in to a facility that's secret in the middle of the ocean

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And succeed

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:18 PM

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and the network could be riged to disconnect in special emergency (like that one research base on that ice planet in Mass effect 1)

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they do not need a connection to the outside world

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they would only have to get into the local network

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:19 PM

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So they'd need to break into a local facility

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:19 PM

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but my biggest point is

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:19 PM

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A top secret one

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Which means guards, security and more

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:19 PM

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the information the worden has is flaed

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and he computers in the area are more precise

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:20 PM

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And my point is, he still has access to the basics of the network

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:20 PM

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that meand warden does not give a shit (unlikly) or they are not connected

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why do you think that

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give me 1 point

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that is not easyly explained other wi´se

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:20 PM

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It could even be a specific network type which allows local data to be accessed locally and only have the main pc get certain data from these computers

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There is a network for that

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It also depends on the permissions given in the programs

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One thing is clear about the Warden, he doesn't have high level clearance in the facility, or you wouldn't need DNA

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So, basic access actually is not surprising

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:22 PM

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depense

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i am still confused why the admin was "frozen" anyway

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Many possible reasons

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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but for your example they could probably just brute force hack the system

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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No no no

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Brute force hacking a system can break it

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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its not like there is any admins alive

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what?

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only if they counted for that

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Okay, do you understand programming and hacking?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:24 PM

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yes

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Forcing into a system, can lead to malfunctions and errors, no?

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:24 PM

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deepense

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if you are just spaming the firewall with junk

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not so much

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but it could shut down

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the system i mean

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:25 PM

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So, why risk your ultimate goal, when you can just get DNA from some scavengers you are controlling

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And it's of no loss to you if they die

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:25 PM

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true but why can the warden not give to the exact location of the next opjective then

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and you still have to go threw manual pc hacking

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:26 PM

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As previously stated

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:26 PM

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"hacking"

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Local computers are on a individual network that provides only certain information to the top OR due to the warden obviously not having clearance, he can only access basic information

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

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but if you make it that way

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

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The latter makes more sense given the situation

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

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why keep them connected

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Why wouldn't you? You'd want every floor to have some connection so basic information can get sent

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I.e. oh no we are dying, there's monsters

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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"Why wouldn't you?" to reduce the chance of a security breach from low to zero

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Dude

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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just make a special terminal that is meant for comunication

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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That was an example

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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maybe i have played to much shadowrun and i am seeing shadows everywhere

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Obviously you want to send stock information, personal files etc

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But that also depends on clearance

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And what you are permitted to access

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Which makes further sense because people who would actually be in these complexes, obviously are meant to be there, so easy to access terminals to send queries

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:31 PM

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they are probably meant to be there but the different apartment are not

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just because you are a soldier somewhere does not mean they just let you in the armory

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you know what i mean

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same with the research

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I do, but guess what

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You just proved my point

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There armourer would have access

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So the researchers and high level staff

fickle garden Dec 12, 2019, 11:32 PM

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but still

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why does the warden not hav maximum cleareance after getting that sweet sweet admin DNA

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Because admins naturally have different level of clearances

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It depends on what section, knowledge and how high their security clearance is

inland fjord Dec 12, 2019, 11:34 PM

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you can be a admin without having completel control

midnight spoke Dec 12, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Exactly