500 series is p new
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
I think they pretty much said 500 was the last chipset for AM4
strong whale
there's literally no new features in the foreseable future for x670 to become necessary
other than chipset
128mb cache is also insane
vapid crypt
Explains why it doesn't increase performance in certain games like Doom
strong whale
keep in mind the benchmarks provided are with smart access and rage mode
so performance numbers will be lower without 5000 series chips when 3rd party benchmarks come out
as compared to 3080 and 3090 respectively
vapid crypt
They did show raw stock to stock performance of the 6800XT vs the 3080
strong whale
oh maybe i missed that
vapid crypt
It should be the first slide yeah
strong whale
oh yeah i didnt even notice it wasnt there
fleet canopy
You can take numbers from the non SAM + Rage benchmark and compare to the SAM + Rage bench
ig so ye
But it's w/e
vapid crypt
Hmm...
strong whale
i think nvidia should still be absolutely terrified right now, ampere's dies were stacked and pushed to the max, hence no overclocking headroom and insanely high tbp, with RDNA2 there was a 384bit bus engineering sample originally which they cancelled for obvious reasons, even with GDDR6(non-x) and 256bit bus they can still go toe-toe with nvidia's lineup (raw rasterization not counting things like dlss or software)
vapid crypt
So Infinity Cache and SAM was like their answer to Nvidia's doubling of cuda cores where half of them are used for Int kind of 
strong whale
where nvidia is going to start taking the crown (ironically) is compute tasks with their next gen
strong whale
so does nvidia raytracing @abstract kite
until it becomes mainstream engine supported
vapid crypt
As games start implementing DXR with DX12 Ultimate that's pretty much where it goes
Yes, it's gonna be AAA Devs largely
For a year or two
strong whale
i think the 3090 is still going to be attractive for people who need powerful workloads done (pre quadro release)
idk how to compare streaming cores (5120 on 6900xt i think?) to cuda cores
super sampling
we know nothing about it yet
fleet canopy
Ye 5120 for 69
strong whale
other than that its coming
vapid crypt
Sure, to me though the 3090 will simply always be a gamer card that wishes it had Titan drivers 
vapid crypt
Yeah you can't really compare them by shaders very much now that Nvidia doubled the cc count per SM
fleet canopy
3500~ for 67XT I think
strong whale
who knows maybe 6900xt will outperform 3090 in render tasks, i hear streaming cores get more done per core than cuda cores
vapid crypt
Um eh hard to say. There will be plenty of benchmarks for that soon enough
fleet canopy
The 6800XT still seems like a cutdown 6900XT for half the price but only like a few less in performance
Because only the CU and one other thing is less than what 6900XT has
vapid crypt
Well it's 40% less
strong whale
i think what most enthusiasts care about at the end of the day is Is it overclockable 👀
fleet canopy
For 6800XT vs 6900XT comparison on specs?
vapid crypt
The 3080 is literally a cutdown 3090 with a cut down memory bus for half the price
6800XT at least gives you the same amount of bandwidth as it's larger brother
strong whale
all they had to do is cut down compute units to make each card, RDNA2 is brilliant architecturally
vapid crypt
Yeah they said originally
strong whale
and 6800, 600xt and 6900xt all rock 16gb gddr6
vapid crypt
They were designing RDNA to be very scalable
strong whale
no price hike for memory
vapid crypt
It looks like they aren't power limiting the 6800 either, kinda like they did the 5700
strong whale
i love that they all have close tbps, just like the new ryzen 5000 lineup, from 8 - 16 cores its all the same tdp
vapid crypt
Well they might be I dunno 
It's Game clock is a lot lower, but that could be because of lower binning and to meet some level of efficiency
strong whale
well with that in mind guess what most the market is dominated by which needs small gpus, cpus and power draw
laptops
i think amd has a bright future in margins because of that, i don't imagine we'll be seeing 3080's in laptops unless they are severely cut down to the point of performing like a 2080ti
or worse
fleet canopy
Nah 6900XT has one other spec that's higher than 6800XT
strong whale
it has 8 more compute units
i doubt that
nvidia will destroy mindshare if they do so
fleet canopy
GN showed it in recent video reviewing cards
6800XT and 6900XT has 8CU difference and one more that I forget
strong whale
samsung 8nm is actually something like 10nm or something
vapid crypt
They're planning cards to slot in between the 3070 3080 and 3090 respectively to compete with AMD, but I'm pretty sure from rumors it's still 8nm
fleet canopy
Maybe me dumb and it's the bit bus idk
vapid crypt
And yeah it's the same as TSMC's 10nm
strong whale
samsung 8nm is legit bad in every way lmao
poor yield, poor efficiency
tsmc have a much better node in every way
vapid crypt
There's already rumors of a 7nm Ampere refresh as RTX 4000
keen matrix
Stop spamming
strong whale
which is what i had in mind @vapid crypt
they wont just release new 3080's/3090's with a different node
keen matrix
Poop people
vapid crypt
Yeah I was thinking how much better that could perform
fleet canopy
The stream processors on 6800XT is 4608 and 6900XT 5120
fleet canopy
So 8CU difference and about 500SP difference
strong whale
ampere isn't built on 7nm nor optimized for it
vapid crypt
Well it should improve performance cause they could get better clocks, squeeze in more transistors
strong whale
6900xt is their halo product keep in mind
strong whale
depends on how optimized it is, maybe they'll get lower clocks going 7nm
vapid crypt
As far as I can tell they are getting lower clocks than before right?
strong whale
either way switching to a new node on an architecture built on 10nm could mess things up, never seen it happen before so idk
yeah
vapid crypt
Like they're capping out on their FE cards at 1700Mhz roughly
vapid crypt
No AIB card is exceeding 1900
merry bay
The RT choice still doesn't have any clear choice to this day.
The console angle makes things interesting. More likely to be using DXR
strong whale
6900xt has potential to be pushed to 2.4-2.5ghz i think, binned and such, for the past month i kept hearing leak after leak about their cards pushing 2.3-2.5ghz
cobalt cloud
nvidia always has something up its sleeve to push out right after amd announcements
they usually do
strong whale
3070 lol
cobalt cloud
but the AMD cards to seem pretty fire tho
strong whale
gonna get mopped
cobalt cloud
I mean nvidia is finally getting some proper competition
hopefully pricing will come down
abstract kite
It will
strong whale
nvidia do have plans for the future but their overall grand plan has not only failed but shot right back in their own face
cobalt cloud
and hopefully amd actually ships out some cards because jeeeez nvidia pushed like no cards out for the launches
abstract kite
I hope the older hardware comes down in price
strong whale
don't get hopes for buying a rx6000 card until late december to Q1-2021
cobalt cloud
me still sitting on my 1080ti that I overpayed for but could still sell for possibly more than original
vapid crypt
I've heard they're allegedly pushing out more cards in the next few weeks
strong whale
i think amd make only like 1000 per day? maybe im thinking of nvidia
cobalt cloud
amd having the 6900 at 1000 was a little surprising
vapid crypt
I've never heard of manufacturing details
Other then Nvidia started production in August
Which seemed like a tight schedule considering when they announced the damn cards
abstract kite
You know I may get the new AMD Card and give my friend the 5700XT I have in my current Rig
strong whale
i legit called it 30 seconds before they announced pricing lmao, legit said $999, $999, $999. I'm glad they slapped nvidia with that
cobalt cloud
yall see the stuff about 5th gen ryzen paired with the new gen cards
abstract kite
Hmm
strong whale
smart access
cobalt cloud
yeah
strong whale
and infinity cache
cobalt cloud
smart access to the vram of the gpu directly
abstract kite
Will the current hardware come down in price?
cobalt cloud
thats what it was
fleet canopy
Called it 999$ back like way before CPU keynote
strong whale
gonna be exciting when developers optimize more for it
cobalt cloud
Did either of the cards actually go on sale today? I didnt see that part
strong whale
today is just the launch
fleet canopy
Literally AMD is just "haha we have same or better performance for like cheaper price"
strong whale
6900xt not out till december 5 i think
cobalt cloud
Yeah I hope for the best for the amd cards having good drivers
vapid crypt
November 18th is when the 6800 cards are going on sale
fleet canopy
Nov 18 for 6700 6800XT
fleet canopy
Dec 5 for 6900XT
vapid crypt
Today was the announcement event
strong whale
amd have more game focused things and not just total gimmicks, which i find a lot more attractive
all we need is a dlss competitor out before the cards release
abstract kite
"Rage Mode" oh boy xD
cobalt cloud
they showed something off about super resolution right?
vapid crypt
Didn't they mention something called Super Resolution?
strong whale
i feel like there will be a keynote or something right before they officially release where they review the new software lineup
vapid crypt
Which if it's actually called that, it's hilarious
cobalt cloud
oh yeah rage mode was funny
vapid crypt
Cause it's almost like a jab at Nvidia for calling their turing refreshes Super
strong whale
super were legit the cards that should have initially released
vapid crypt
Huh Super Resolution is an actual thing
abstract kite
Is it Super?
strong whale
i am curious as to how amd's will work
cobalt cloud
Nvidia had no 30 series cards ready to ship because manufacturers still working on the 38 SKUs of the last gen card orders jeeez
vapid crypt
It's something they've been doing with cameras for a while now apparently
cobalt cloud
whats it like I dont think they showed it off much
abstract kite
:/
vapid crypt
I don't know anything either, but its an actual resolution scaling method
abstract kite
Guys?
strong whale
🗿
vapid crypt
cobalt cloud
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Hm.
strong whale
vapid crypt
It's unfortunate that the market has ended up like this, but it's improving at least
We're getting a hell of a lot more performance for the dollar now, AMD's mimicking Nvidia's pricing strategy unfortunately to a certain extent
fleet canopy
1000$ for the top end is like
Pretty good
Because NVIDIA's was like "Every 2080 Ti is now 1500$"
As well as 3090
vapid crypt
So they have a 50% gap between their flagship and halo card in terms of price, as far as performance it's pretty much the same gap as the 3080 and 3090
But at least you aren't getting shafted for bandwidth and Vram
Honestly that's kind of a problem AMD has always had with their higher cards, at least for a while now.
Cause you can always get the cut down card, and tweak it to get within 3%
Might involve flashing the Bios, but you know what in this case it would be worth it if it means saving $350
fleet canopy
Def
lilac geyser
i guess its true, if 6900XT is supposed to be a halo. I'm not clear on that
fleet canopy
It's a lot taken off
lilac geyser
all their halo cards were always much more distinctivly named in recent generations, right?
vapid crypt
Well yeah it is since it is challenging the 3090, it's doing so to the detriment of price/performance just like the 3090 unfortunately
Sort of yeah
Radeon VII, Vega, Fury
Should've called Rage Mode, Fury Mode
lilac geyser
anyway i guess its time to snooze until benchmarks, then we get to see if any of us is justified
i wonder if global sales volumes for cpus/gpus have been down for the past few years which also leads to higher unit costs
like.. i'm still clinging to a haswell
jade ermine
@vapid crypt Hawaii mode
vapid crypt
Exactly
vapid crypt
Hot and loud is no longer apart of this equation though, holy shit it took like 6 months before you can get an AIB 290X or whatever I heard that's insane
jade ermine
Waterblocks were really popular with that thing let me tell you that
jade surge
if all the numbers for the CPU's/GPU's are close to what AMD is saying then I can see AMD having a very merry Christmas this year
lilac geyser
do I have this right?
merry bay
Yeah, but doubt you'll see NVIDIA anywhere near that price for half a year. To be seen how AMD fares in this respect
lilac geyser
+1 insightful
eternal cairn
I'll be honest. AMD did good with the 6900 XT.
Roughly same performance for $500 less is a no-brainer.
If not outperforming the 3090 in some titles.
abstract kite
I'm a proud navida user. Nothing will sway meh from mai $1,500 GPU
Higher price means higher performance.
merry bay
More price, more weight, more size, more power, more warmth for the winter season. You get so much more!
eternal cairn
I can only imagine Nvidia dropping the price of the 3090 by Q2 2021.
Now, all we have to anticipate in the GPU market... is Intel. 👀
XE Graphics, more like XD Graphics.
Once all three teams are competing in the GPU market, we'll finally have RGB in the GPU industry.
jade ermine
3090 will not get a price drop. They will just start pumping out 3080Ti's after majority of people have received their 3080's hahaha
eternal cairn
Nah, they'll go back to the S variants just to make their cards look better by comparison.
With roughly 5-7% more performance than the 6800/6900/XT.
Actually, it'll probably be more like 2-5% better performance on average, but 5-7% at most. All while drawing an extra 100 400 watts and taking up 20% more space in your case.
jade ermine
hehe just lift all of those pesky limits from 3080's and you gain easily 10% of performance
if your PSU does not smoke
clear quartz
holy shit i missed the presentation
jade surge
well, we have to also factor in how long it will take to get the 30series cards with the 7nm TSMC chips in them
maybe when they switch over to the 7nm chips the power consumption may drop a little, although most of the power is going to the GDDR6X memory
lime field
Hello , I have a Foxconn H97M motherboard , any idea how I can know if it's compatible with the current generation of processors(and and intel) or not. Currently running a core i5 4590
vapid crypt
It is 100% not compatible with the current generation of processors, Intel or otherwise
sick reef
It's compatible with Z97 CPU's, which is 4000-series.
vapid crypt
The only thing you can get for that are 4th generation Intel processors
sick reef
Which in turn is that ye
lime field
Damn
Any suggestions?
If I change motherboards am gonna have to buy 16 gigs of RAM again
Or I could just upgrade to Intel core i7 , is that a good idea?
sick reef
You could gain a lot by getting something new that's around the middle
vapid crypt
You don't need to break the bank tbh, RAM is at a low right now you get really good performance for the money ever since Ryzen made its Debut
And you're in luck there's new CPUs rolling out next week now I think
Discounts for all the old stuff
Well old is relative, we're talking stuff that came out last year
AMD have a way to go with raytracing performance, but this is a pretty good start I'd say.
Woah that came out weird
dim sundial
I'm gonna get a 3070 is big navi realy gonna be better
vapid crypt
Have you seen the numbers, they have a card that beats it in raster performance with double the Vram probably about the same at ray tracing. Though it costs $80 more, so the price/performance is probably the same going by that
It's really a toss up, you can't go wrong with the 3070 or RX 6800
Personally I would try and get a good deal on a used 2080Ti maybe
vapid crypt
Yeah they're all gone when I checked
dim sundial
well I guess I'm not getting one for another month
vapid crypt
Allegedly there's going to be a lot more stock in November
dim sundial
I guess I'l get it then
idk what I'm gonna do for my cpu
I think I'm gonna get the new amd
right now people are selling the new 3000 sires thredrippers for like 40 percent off
vapid crypt
Threadripper is a bit much huh? Unless you need that much processor
abstract kite
If i bought the new rtx card how would i put it in?
dim sundial
not with sli
pine lion
SLI is extremely not worth it, little support. And usually worse the single Gpu
vapid crypt
True, and I will re-iterate Nvidia dropped SLI support on all of their new cards except for the 3090
Technically it's called NVLink now
If you want multi-gpu I think AMD is still supporting crossfire Though not entirely sure.
Or maybe not, seems like it might be about the same as SLI
eternal cairn
vapid crypt
Oh man
I've mentioned this before, but there's Ti Ampere cards coming https://www.techpowerup.com/273846/nvidia-allegedly-already-preparing-an-rtx-3080-ti-graphics-card
So much for not wanting to saturate the product stack
eternal cairn
Well, duh. They gotta beat AMD's benchmark tests.
eternal cairn
In which case I'd use the return address, come to their house, and ||do things that every man fears||.
Then I'd track the address attached to that PO box.
And find the house with a Lamborghini parked in front of it.
I still can't believe Nvidia also gave preorders a 1-year membership to GeForce Now. Preorder bonuses shouldn't be a thing unless you're desperate for sales.
vapid crypt
It was Tai Lopez all along
eternal cairn
We should go back to the good old days where we openly crucify scalpers and then declare them witches for knowing too much about how to game the preorder system.
vapid crypt
eternal cairn
I love how there's still some cards at one of the micro centers in my state, but it's a 7-hour drive.
Thanks for being a ridiculously big state, California.
Wow, there are 4 micro centers in NEW YORK and 3 in OHIO.
4.
In a state the size of nothing.
vapid crypt
Lower population too
vapid crypt
It is dense yeah, mainly because of New York City
8 million people there 👀
That's like 5 million more than my entire county
eternal cairn
And they get 4 micro centers probably all within the tristate area, so they only have to walk a few miles.
vapid crypt
No Microcenters in my state I think
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
Yeah 0 in Florida
fleet canopy
Microcenter is in New York, so I'd have to drive around the Long Island Sound to get there
Only like a 1.5 hr drive iirc
Will probably go there one day, better than 5 days or more than a week of waiting
eternal cairn
I guess I might drive to the microcenter since there's no other ones near me.
vapid crypt
Well good luck
eternal cairn
But then again, if it sells out before I even get there, someone is going to get run over.
vapid crypt
eternal cairn
And I'll take their RTX 3070. 😄
vapid crypt
I disavow
pine lion
Where you from @fleet canopy
eternal cairn
I wonder if Sony will give away a router in the shape of a PS5 like Microsoft is doing with the Series X as a fridge.
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
I joked about that yesterday with the PS5
The answer is most likely not because Sony is ran by a bunch of incompetent morons now that take themselves overly serious and will tow the line for the CCP, but let's not get into that
eternal cairn
Ew. I knew I hated Sony, but that makes me glad I'm not buying their consoles.
vapid crypt
Well to be more specific they are monitoring their PlayStation chat both voice and text and banning users that speak negatively of the CCP. This is only in specific regions though
Like Hong Kong, Taiwan and so on
wintry tree
Eh
I won't go with sony just cus I don't like their controllers
xbox controllers >>>>> duel shock controllers
vapid crypt
Dualsense is a meme
And it's more expensive
They are putting more expensive tech into it, so that makes sense
But whatever
I like the Dualshock 4 though, I grew up with Dualshock 1 and 2 so tbh it's one of my favorite controllers
wintry tree
ergonomics tho are just better with the xbox controllers
vapid crypt
Maybe, for me using the xbone controller for extensive sessions does get tiring. I do use it quite a bit more though, I should probably run that test with the DS4
Maybe it's just me
wintry tree
Like, to some duelshock might feel better, but for most it's actually worse ergonomically
Think of how often you use the left joystick compared to DPAD, yet sony still put the dpad in the comfier position smh
Also the fact that xbox one controllers and stuff are compatible with the series x is another point in their favor (and also just props to microsoft for reducing Ewaste)
vapid crypt
Yeah that really annoys me that they're basically axing the Dualshock 4 on Ps5 for anything other than Ps4 games
It's a greedy tactic to force people to buy another controller if they need another one
Obviously not a lot of games are going to utilize the new features in Dualsense
So it's just dumb and greedy
fleet canopy
I don't think there's really going to be anything special after the fact the PS5 controller is a literal Xbox controller with different button layout
And tbf, most people getting PS5 most likely will have a PS4 controller since sony fanboy
vapid crypt
Exactly, which is why limiting its use is greedy
eternal cairn
I feel like Sony is greedier at this point.
They couldn't even be bothered to include backwards compatibility for all previous gen titles in the PoS5.
vapid crypt
Ever since they moved their HQ to California from Japan, they just turned for the worst tbh
eternal cairn
Wait, their HQ is in California? Since when?
vapid crypt
Uh I don't know when, I just know they moved there
Oh it was in 2016
I figured it must have been about that long now
eternal cairn
You might be thinking of Sony Pictures.
vapid crypt
But yeah for perspective The Xbox sold out in Japan, unprecedented considering that the brand has been historically weaker there.
And no it's their main HQ
For playstation
They must have moved everything over if they're willing to do that
eternal cairn
Yeah, and they stupidly sold off a couple of branches.
fleet canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVdJxdqUNY Some dude talking about his 3090 experience
Spoiler alert: It fucking took a shit when guy tried Halo on it
vapid crypt
Awww I know Griffin Gaming
What a shame that he got a lemon, he was getting shit for buying one
vapid crypt
Maybe he'll get a 6900XT
fleet canopy
Did he get a 1440p 240Hz?
Nah apparently he'll get another card in like
2 weeks or so
vapid crypt
Yeah probably just getting it RMA'd right
fleet canopy
Free shipping, don't think any more pay on the card
vapid crypt
He spent $1800 on it
fleet canopy
ye
vapid crypt
So I would take my money back and get a 6900XT personally
Could upgrade to Zen 3 too
fleet canopy
It's supposed to be like 3090 performance yeah?
vapid crypt
Pretty much
fleet canopy
With RAAAAAGE mode and SAM, yeah
vapid crypt
Well we still don't know the relative performance without SAM
RAGE is like 2% at best
fleet canopy
Smalltext: Guaranteed to make you rage more harder than you will ever have had in two entire lifetimes
Bet AMD has that smalltext somewhere, it's just so small you need to zoom in more further than what current zoom tech has
vapid crypt
So what was the issue, was it the card itself?
I don't want to listen to the whole thing
fleet canopy
He said it could have been like a bad card from shit batch
So he's getting another 3090 free of charge to compensate for fucky card
vapid crypt
EVGA does at least have excellent customer support
fleet canopy
Upon install and booting up a game, it shot smoke lol
fleet canopy
But he figured "yeah maybe it's normal" while freaking out
fleet canopy
Nah, Halo only freaked it out more
vapid crypt
Wait he thought the smoking was normal?
fleet canopy
He thought it was at first, when it booted up
vapid crypt
Oh he like smelled smoke or something?
fleet canopy
So he continues with DOOM Eternal, it runs perfectly fine
Nah he legit said it shot smoke out of the card
And thought the whole system fried
vapid crypt
Yeah no that's not normal ever
fleet canopy
But the GPU was just fucked as he plugged video to CPU graphic
vapid crypt
That's an immediate red flag to shut everything down
fleet canopy
He did unplug PSU, so yeah
vapid crypt
Hmmm
fleet canopy
Restarts, DOOM still is good, but Halo is questionable. Goes to play it again like a fucking dumbass and in around 3 minutes, same thing
vapid crypt
If I remember correctly it was also an EVGA 2080Ti that literally caught fire
Back at launch
fleet canopy
Dumbass again, he goes Halo and enough smoke comes out to cause secondhand smoking
So asks support, blah blah
Sends back GPU, gets to have another 3090 for free of charge
vapid crypt
If its a repeat I would get my money back
fleet canopy
I found it originally trying to tell friend of mine that he could get a 6700XT or 6800XT instead of 3070
He runs 1050 Ti, no fucking way he has a good enough PSU for it but he probably already has a 650W iirc
vapid crypt
Well the 6700XT won't be out til like January or February
Likely to be between the 3060Ti and 3070 judging by specs
fleet canopy
Maybe
vapid crypt
Sounds like a Bios bug with Halo killing his 3090
There's a couple thousand 3090s out there, the odds of getting a lemon must be kinda high huh?
fleet canopy
I mean
Top of the line GPU
Just released
Relatable to 2080 Ti
Don't think I see any problems here
vapid crypt
Someone compiled a graph and averaged out the performance of the new Navi cards vs Nvidia
Based on AMD's numbers of course
fleet canopy
That's wild
Hopefully the benchmarks are pretty good, waiting for GN to release a video of benchmark be like
vapid crypt
Smart Access Memory is a pretty impressive tech, and going along with Zen 3 that's pretty great
I think that will leverage performance in a similar way that DLSS does for the time being
Obviously not 1:1 and it will go together with whatever Super Resolution thing that they're cooking up
You know it used to be a false rumor that using an AMD GPU with an AMD CPU nets better performance, like that was a well known rumor during the Bulldozer era. They finally made it come true now
fleet canopy
Sounds fun
lilac geyser
"Rick Falkvinge has concluded his 21-post series on analog-equivalent privacy rights. Almost everything that was taken for granted by previous generations regarding privacy has been completely eliminated for the young generations coming up."
Don't get scared at 21 parts, some of the posts are barely a few sentences long
You might be the kind of person who doesnt mind that advertisers know everything about you if it means you get more relevant ads, or think that you have nothing to hide so you dont mind all your conversations being monitored. But at a minimum, as the american capitalist that many of us are, you need to realize this data has value and right now its being stolen from you and you arent even getting a cut.
i don't blame people for not knowing what their computer does
i blame the people who made the computer
it should not be your responsibility to tweak your computer (probably in undocumented ways) for it to respect certain rights
you think its impossible to change?
it may not be easy to change, but society can change
jade surge
I am curious to see where the 3070 vs 6800 prices will go. Will AMD keep the 6800 at $579 or will it meet $499 or go a little lower.
fleet canopy
6800XT like way after release
merry bay
it's really hard to convince anybody that privacy is important when there's next to no examples of downsides that come with it. People can say "so what" and that's where it ends
jade surge
Well, I just caught up on all comments and I hate to say this but Nvidia has cut ALL SLI support. SLI support will still be possible but it will only be possible if the game developers write it in to the code of the game. Hell, even the 3090 will not support SLI. Now, as content creators they will still be able to leverage multi GPU speed but no more in games. As for Xfire, AMD has all but given up on it. Both companies feel as if the demand is not great enough.
jade surge
Not even the RTX 3090 will support SLI. On September 17, Nvidia announced it “will no longer be adding new SLI driver profiles on RTX 20 Series and earlier GPUs starting on January 1st, 2021,” and RTX 30-series GPUs will not receive SLI profiles at all. Games that use DirectX 12 or Vulkan multi-GPU implementations will continue to work, but those are very few and far between. “Existing SLI driver profiles will continue to be tested and maintained for SLI-ready RTX 20 Series and earlier GPUs,” the company says, and SLI will continue to work for creative and professional apps.
was of Jan 2021 there will be no SLI support for any cards from Nvidia
vapid crypt
So is it because they sunsetted SLI and just added "NVLink" to the high end card that they're doing this?
Cause from what I understand NVLink does work differently
Also the price performance between the 3070 and 6800 should be roughly similar
But I think the 6800 is the better deal cause you're getting more Vram out of it
On top of the 10 - 15% better performance
At $549 it would be far more enticing though
I'm not sure why they didn't go for that
$50 more for 15% more performance and double Vram just looks better to most people than hell even $60+ I think it's just the idea of it. Half way to $100, it's right at that line
jade surge
Plus as impressive as raytracing is, there really is not that many games right now that support Raytracing so for me it's not that impressive
vapid crypt
Same applies to the 6800XT, some people might favor the 3080 more because it's going to be doing Raytracing better, and to some normies seeing GDDR6X makes it seem like its gonna be faster on paper even if its lesser in capacity
Well they'll pay the extra $50 is the point... though that doesn't really apply until there's actually stock
jade surge
yes out the gate Nvidia will be better at raytracing. But AMD will have time to improve their Super Resolution and SAM technologies
vapid crypt
Yeah release is still 3 weeks
Good reason they haven't actually shown performance since Super Resolution isn't ready
And it actually might not be ready until December
Like the latest I can see it being ready is 6900XT release pretty much
jade surge
yes, the 3080 has more bandwidth with the GDDR6X VRAM but there is only 10GB. In the end GDDR6 will be morte than enough cause if the Infinity Cache works as well as they say it does then they have found a way to lower the latency
I may get the 6900XT and the 5950X just because I can
vapid crypt
Sure, the fact that they made a 256-bit bus work as well as 384-bit says enough
This is kind of the 5870 again, that was a 256-bit card right?
jade surge
My plan is to do a custom rig ALL THE WAY and use it as my showcase of what I can build for my small business I am working on
COVID has helped me further my plans
abstract kite
abstract kite
For some reason I thought the 3080 would stretch the length of a case...
jade ermine
@abstract kite Lucky you!
fleet canopy
Yeah yeah sure he has a 3080
But what the fuck is it doing in that slot unless it’s x16?
dense wasp
Yeah I have a friend debating with himself getting either a 3080 or a 6800XT,
and he's getting a ryzen5000 cpu
I'm guessing the AMD card is the better choice, but I'd also say, as a normal user, he'd probably not notice that much of a difference
vapid crypt
Well let's look at the pros and cons. Now from what we can tell without any extra features the 6800XT is pretty much matching the 3080, Smart Access Memory boosting performance a little bit just because you're using a Zen 3 CPU is a bonus that I wouldn't pass up. The 6800XT has more Vram, is consuming less energy and is cheaper (And likely by more than $50 on average since even e-tailers are selling the 3080 models at above MSRP, at least $60 - $100 more)
It's still unknown how well their raytracing is going to perform, going by benchmark leaks it's slightly beating the 2080Ti at ray tracing; so at the very least that's a start but it is losing to Ampere there. There's also more unknowns when it comes to their software stack, like their resolution scaling tech to compete with Nvidia isn't ready yet and we won't know how it will look and improve performance. Nvidia just has a more complete software options that are available even outside of games
Such as RTX voice that deals with background noise perfectly, that streamer thing that can remove the background from your camera using AI is pretty cool.
If AMD can deliver a decent DLSS equivalent soon, and have an encoder that works in the near future then personally I see the Navi cards to be a really good option in the long run. That's another thing that people mention regarding Nvidia cards, their encoder is great and truthfully from my experience AMD's doesn't work so
jade ermine
I type this before reading what El Demonio has typed in.
3080 is the way to go in my opinion because even if the performance is similar, DLSS and RT is more advanced than AYYYMD's technologies.
And 10GB is plenty right now.
But no benchmarks yet from 6800XT. Maybe it OC's like a mofo or something.
He should just get whatever he can get if you know what im saying lol
I have been waiting bit over 6 weeks for a GPU now
vapid crypt
The supply will dictate what people get at this point, there's really no bad choice tbh
Though I do feel the 6800 pretty much kills the 3070 for the time being, double the vram at least 10% more performance on average and likely the raytracing isn't far behind if at all. It might be though, we don't have the numbers for that one. It will age nicely, like an 8gb r9 290 definitely did.
Price/Performance is about even though, it is $80 more expensive on top of its higher performance and Vram
Assuming you can find MSRP 3070s, from the looks of it the price will be closer to each other
jade ermine
Yea 6800 looks way better on paper than 3070
hands down
3070 is barely 2080Ti level and 6800 is like what 15-20% faster than that for 70USD more?
vapid crypt
It's at best 18% faster with Smart Access Memory and Rage Mod, Its closer to 10% without those two things
Well most likely
10 - 15% somewhere in that ballpark
But SAM is a given as long as you're going for Zen 3
It'll certainly manage 4k for far longer than the 3070 will
If someone is interested in that
jade surge
well, let's be honest Nvidia still hasn't really launched the 30 series cards. It's more like a sneak peak at what is to come.
vapid crypt
They launched it, it's just not readily available
May as well be paper though, like the 3070Ti and 3080Ti will be most likely be.
We'll hear about them around the time Navi is up for sale
Though this is only a guess, not a fact. I know Nvidia well enough that they would do that to pull eyes away from AMD
That's exactly why the 3070 reviews and it started going on sale the same week of AMD's launch event
tranquil wyvern
hey yo i have some questions about whether or not my PC issues is due to a failing power supply. im not on my computer right now, im letting it rest in case
i basically get sudden restarts at random intervals. gaming, youtube, ive had it restart while just being in BIOS, etc. no blue screen. just a hard restart. sometimes my computer gets stuck while rebooting where it reboots while booting back up.
jade surge
As far as OC'ing the 3080 as we have already seen so far there is no OC'ing headroom meaning that's as much we may get in performance. But, that is with the Samsung 8nm chips. Nvidia is switching over to the TSMC 7nm node and we may see some more performance gains. Only time will tell
vapid crypt
It won't be something we'll see for a while though, and it will be a refresh called RTX 4000 Ala Fermi 400 to 500
As for random resets, power supply is a possible failure point maybe. Though I think if it is the power supply it would more likely shut off completely not simply power cycle
Does it take long to boot up than it usually did before this was happening?
Like significantly longer @tranquil wyvern
tranquil wyvern
It's hard to tell since I don't have a SD boot but it might be
vapid crypt
So if the power supply was say overheating, it would shut off and you wouldn't be able to turn it on for a while. And as soon as you would be able to the boot time would be significantly slower because the power supply still needs to cool down. That's not the case though so we can rule out a thermal issue with the power supply at least
Um as far as anything else, have you monitored temperatures of your components?
tranquil wyvern
Yeah it's a weird sudden issue. I thought maybe it was the Windows 10 update but uninstalling didnt fix anything either
yeah, they temperatures were normal
vapid crypt
Troubleshooting is a pain but I've dealt with similar things before, in my case it was me being dumb and having the RAM installed wrong so the OS was blue screening all the time, programs were closing themselves. May or may not have had a random reset or two. That likely isn't your problem though
tranquil wyvern
Nah. This started up suddenly after no change in my computer. I've been assuming it's my power supply because it's the oldest component, six years old. I know they can last longer but I don't think I spent a lot on it.
vapid crypt
6 years the warranty is likely up then
Most of them have 5 year warranties
Cheaper ones like 3 year warranties
tranquil wyvern
its a corsair CX-something something
vapid crypt
Okay yeah should be like 5 year warranty then so there's no RMA if it is the problem
tranquil wyvern
im not currently looking at it sorry LOL
vapid crypt
It's not a bad idea to update the power supply once its warranty runs out I'd say
Though who knows if it is the issue
Could be a weird Windows bug that came up randomly, and the only way to fix that is to run a clean install
tranquil wyvern
gross
i thought maybe it was windows bug but if it was, would it be rebooting while in BIOS like that?
vapid crypt
Really the only way to find out if the power supply is the problem there is to replace it and see if the problem continues or not
tranquil wyvern
ofc my computer does this when i have no money 😔
vapid crypt
Eh maybe in that case your best bet would be to get someone to diagnose the problem, though to be fair I'm not really sure how much that would cost come to think of it. Depends on where you go
jade surge
@tranquil wyvern how long has the CPU been in use?
tranquil wyvern
only like 2 years at most.
jade surge
so it's a new processor
tranquil wyvern
yes
jade surge
what kind of thermal paste are you using
tranquil wyvern
uhhh
no idea because i didnt put it together :(
if cpu is overheating can it lead to things like this?
vapid crypt
It can yeah
tranquil wyvern
i might try putting a new fan on it then
call me an idiot but i bought a new fan for it once and then forgot i bought it until i found the box in my room
adhd life
vapid crypt
Well see the CPU would have to be going over 95C to even get close to restarting though
jade surge
well it could possibly be a thermal issue with your processor overheating. that usually happens when the thermal paste starts to get old
tranquil wyvern
yeah i dont think it ever hit 95C
vapid crypt
Since the CPU will begin to throttle and reduce clockspeeds
Same would apply to the Graphics card
tranquil wyvern
i checked temperatures w/ program but also when touching my tower, no specific spot was hot
jade surge
that's true. That's why I am thinking it may be that since he said that it can restart right after restarting
tranquil wyvern
yeah it'll hard restart, and then do it again a couple seconds afterwards
vapid crypt
Well that's not how you would detect temperatures, computer components run hot as it is
jade surge
you would have to go in to the PC and put your hand near the Heatsink. there will be a noticable difference in heat
vapid crypt
Which is to say literally, like there will always be heat
jade surge
like I said it's just a possibility
vapid crypt
Its just how much heat can the stuff handle right
Which for CPUs is 95C
After that they begin to throttle
tranquil wyvern
i said i used a program too 
vapid crypt
And shut off well above 100C
jade surge
but usually if it is an overheating processor it usually takes a minute or two before it will boot up
vapid crypt
Yeah if anything is overheating its exactly how I described
Needs a few minutes to cool down
So its not a thermal problem most likely
tranquil wyvern
if i install a better fan for my CPU, will that also help overall ventilation and temp? just curious
jade surge
I get that you used a program, but that's not to say that the temperature sensor on the board is working properly
yes and no
there are a lot of factors to proper airflow
vapid crypt
Do you clean the computer often?
jade surge
I mean are all your fans set up properly?
vapid crypt
Or even semi-regularly
jade surge
do you keep the computer on the ground or higher up like on a table
tranquil wyvern
i do but it got a bit dusty bcuz my family kept using my air cans and then losing them
and yeah they should be
only problem is that my cpu fan is cheaper which is why i was supposed to install the newer one i got
its close to the ground but on a table
is there physical signs of a power supply being bad, like ive heard stuff like coils being corroded? if i take out my power supply and take a pic, will you guys look?
vapid crypt
Has your performance degraded up to the point where it started restarting?
tranquil wyvern
i didnt notice much but it might have been. just a few hiccups
vapid crypt
Um so you would have to literally open the power suplly
And I would not recommend that
jade surge
remember that the closer to the ground the system is the more dust it will suck in
tranquil wyvern
oh! i rememebered a weird quirk about my computer
it resets really easily if gently bonk'd
vapid crypt
Uh like anywhere?
tranquil wyvern
i haven't been bonking it ofc but in the past ive tapped it with my foot before and itd reset
vapid crypt
That sounds like a loose connection or something
jade surge
first thing I would do is to open up the computer and blow out as much dust as you can. I would remove the heatsink and fan from the processor and check the thermal paste to make sure that it is not dried out
vapid crypt
At least that's the only thing I can think of
tranquil wyvern
id try to put in my new fan while im at it
jade surge
is your power non, semi or fully modular
tranquil wyvern
sorry if i sound like a doofus, im not very computer savvy.
vapid crypt
You need to get some new thermal paste if you're going to do that
tranquil wyvern
awh
lemme check my box
vapid crypt
Last guy I tried helping here cause he got a new cooler to replace the stock one bricked his motherboard 
I recommended the cooler, and he wasn't really experienced so
jade surge
only downside to the issue that you are having is that there are many possibilities that would cause your issue
vapid crypt
I'd say start with making sure all of the power connectors are properly connected and secure, clean the pc and work up from there
jade surge
if you are not experienced you can either watch some youtube videos cause they have a video for pretty much anything, or take it to a shop.
tranquil wyvern
my fan is a liquid cooler and says it has a bracket mount, i looked at the booklet and it hasnt mentioned using thermal paste anywhere?
vapid crypt
Those come with some paste pre-applied...
tranquil wyvern
like i said im not savvy when it comes to parts
vapid crypt
Wait 2 years, have you heard any strange noises come from the radiator?
The part with the fans on it
Or Fan if its a 120mm
tranquil wyvern
my computer used to make really chunky noises but not recently
jade surge
can you show a picture of the inside especially the radiator for the liquid cooler
vapid crypt
Its possible your cooler is dry
tranquil wyvern
oh the liquid cooler isnt installed, its what i could install
vapid crypt
Oh you have a new liquid cooler in the box?
tranquil wyvern
yeah
vapid crypt
Let's not worry about installing that at the moment, though it may help later on
tranquil wyvern
ok so this was a noise my computer used to make
jade surge
that is the fan for sure
vapid crypt
Sure loose bearing maybe
jade surge
sounds like the bearings might be going out
tranquil wyvern
ok ok
i think i replaced that fan or messed with it so it hasnt been making that noise in a while, i just wanted to make sure it wasnt warning signs for smthn else like you guys are talking about
also @vapid crypt i know you said not to do it, but i have opened my power supply once and put it back together, because i was checking the fan
so i can theoretically open it and put it back, i just remember it taking a while
vapid crypt
Was the fan working?
tranquil wyvern
i thought it was making the munchy noise
fan should be working
alas power supply temps isnt one of the things you can check, right?
plus it overheating doesnt line up with what you said abt taking time to be usable again
vapid crypt
I mean at this point whatever, since the warranty is gone. But if something goes wrong and it stops working entirely
tranquil wyvern
i wish i could investigate more but sb said that their power supply going out took the rest of the computer with it, so im kinda scared to turn my computer back on
vapid crypt
Sure, if the protections built in fail and something's wrong with the overcurrent, ripple so on and so on then that can happen
abstract kite
can anyone help me? i got Only in D1 Lags 1 sec to 2min .. Kappa
abstract kite
Dont try to fix power supplies replace them
more wats less heat and more room for upgrade dont go too cheap on your pc parts
vapid crypt
I think last I checked mine has a 7 year warranty
Originally I got a power supply that has a 3 year warranty, but I feared the worst for it even though it was a pretty good deal. Full modular, 80+ bronze 650W for $60
After I bought the thing I read some awful situations that occurred with that particular line of power supplies so I swapped it out after 3 months
Woah those connectors
Was that before standards?
I guess they wouldn't have had a modular standard at least
Where the connectors are different sizes and mirror the actual connectors that go in the board
Then again I think back then, most of the connectors were Molex
void perch
vapid crypt
That chart is a good meme
vapid crypt
So the power supply I got is 750w, 80+ gold, fully modular and features quad rails. And I got it for $100
The Bitfenix Whisper
fleet canopy
I think 850W can be found for 100$ but I could be dumb and probably could be 120$
fleet canopy
An 850W was cheaper than a 750W for some time, notably during when RTX 2000/Super released iirc
fleet canopy
Or it was just "haha psu stock" but ye
lime dome
The last time I played GTFO was during rundown 2, and had no issues then. But on this rundown 4, I get this stuttering effect where the game just freezes briefly for a few seconds and this happens maybe once every 10 or 15 minutes, any idea how i might fix this or if anyone else is experiencing this?
vapid crypt
Inquire in #gtfo-technical-support
fleet canopy
What's so funny about a great chef smh
proper wren
I'm an AMD Simp 
fleet canopy
That's ok
proper wren
Also derp linus in his nightmare build vid
burnt dawn
@void perch haha that chart!
fleet canopy
Livestream of Steve from GN overclocking RTX 3070 with blah blah you get the idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srugE3tRBFs
Now doing an EVGA card OC
lilac geyser
after impact (which shares a name with a movie from 2004) appears to be the original name of 10cc?
wait wrong movie
ok so it looks like there are 4 entities who claim GTFO at their trademark
at least
10cc is one of them
it looks like they appied twice? or there was some additional finding from the uspto on this
or maybe they added additional classifcations
check out these classes on their original application: 023: Cutlery, Machinery, Tools and Parts Thereof
036: Musical Instruments and Supplies
whoops i meant https://uspto.report/TM/88580895
oh no
tell me i got this wrong
sorry i didnt mean to post that here
onyx ember
Has anyone updated to the recent Windows 10 2004?
onyx ember
Just wondering if it's worth upgrading from 1909. No idea if it is stable or not.
fleet canopy
Eh, haven't had any problems with it so far
onyx ember
How long you had it?
merry bay
~15 3070's just stocked up near me
892-897€
retail prices 
merry bay
found an ASUS one for 832€ too
that's roughly my limit for getting a 3080 for
but honestly, just gonna wait to see how the AMD launch goes
merry bay
gentleman's agreement, no bots
restive garnet
im actually sorta glad that cyberpunk got delayed again, gives me a better chance to get a 3080 😉
merry bay
found a total showelware game in my library. It has achievements for spending 1s in-game
steam stores every achievement pic in memory - quickly dwarfing Chrome
abstract kite
Chrome needs to double down then.
fleet canopy
@onyx ember Just understand that microshit will sorta bug you to install their new web explorer every time you update Windows, which isn't too common
abstract kite
vapid crypt
Very Nice Graph
abstract kite
Did he?
merry bay
fleet canopy
AyyMD
With a 100x increase
Then you just have NVIDIA
10% increase, then 2x increase, then a 33% increase
smh
wintry tree
1000x*
lilac geyser
fleet canopy
Didn't we have something like this for Ryzen 3000?
Also they should at least include the 6900XT like a BFG
proper wren
5800x shipments coming in
vapid crypt
Cool
jade ermine
@proper wren That memory latency seems little too good
zen2 would be like 80+ns with latencies that horrible
abstract kite
Yeah I think its fake. But knowing D0c if he wasn't pulling those numbers he'd be pretty... Unlucky.
fleet canopy
He means the link Poddy posted @abstract kite
vapid crypt
Of course it's far better than Zen 2 in terms of latency, they've doubled the core count in the CCXs and unified the cache
lime field
Hello , so I've been meaning to get a microphone but I'm a big fan of side tone and am worried I won't be able to use it. I have read that some microphones have a audio slot to hear side tone from but am confused about it.
I use a Razer headset , won't be using it's mic but just the audio but the plug in is going to be usb
Any info is much appreciated
lilac geyser
ive only seen this feature integrated into the headset, but there's probably some general purpose software that can do it
although latency might be an issue
vapid crypt
Seems alright if you don't mind the curved screen, I've heard they take getting used to
And yeah that's the typical price point for high refresh 1440p monitors
vapid crypt
Um I do know of an alternative
river thistle
?
vapid crypt
Which features a flat panel and the same refresh rate and resolution
Only difference is its IPS instead of VA which is the panel type
Oh and the flat panel instead of curved
river thistle
I've tried curved screens and really like them so I think I'm good
What's the difference between IPS and VA?
vapid crypt
Okay
IPS has higher color accuracy I believe
The three most common monitor panel types are TN, VA and IPS; TN offers the best response time, VA has really good blacks, and IPS feature high color accuracy. They each trade off something for the other pretty much, like I think IPS has the slower response times. However they've all improved on their shortcomings over time
river thistle
Interesting..
I'm mostly just looking for a nice upgrade from my crapy 75 hz 1080p dell monitor
But I'll look into that
lilac geyser
IPS has wide viewing angles, VA will make the colors get weird if you view if from the side
not a problem for some, for others it matters
vapid crypt
Actually I forgot about the viewing angle thing, and I've never used a VA panel
Is that why they're all curved?
lilac geyser
ha maybe
river thistle
I'm also trying to decide weather to get a 3080 or an RX 6800 xt when they come out... Got any input or advice?
lilac geyser
if you find either in stock let us know!
vapid crypt
Well the 6800 XT has more Vram, uses less energy, is cheaper and it performs pretty much the same. At least from the numbers we've seen from AMD, so to be fair until reviewers get their hands on them we'll know for sure.
We shall see if people even stand a chance to buy one, I think it'll be easier to get than a 3080 but it'll still be really hard anyway
proper wren
Some kid wanted gt 710 for gaming... till I showed him vega 11 igpu beats it by 400%
vapid crypt
Huh? GT 710 is literally filler GPUs that OEMs put into their low spec machines just cause they got them for dirt cheap
fleet canopy
"haha bigger number better"
vapid crypt
Hmm come to think of it I would argue the 6800 is the better buy in general, sure it's slower than the 3080 by like 10%, but its still faster than the 3070 it has more Vram than either; it uses even less energy than the 3080 and it's like $120 less
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
nimble anvil
Ah yes, big numbers never lie
Bought a cheap 2080ti to keep me going till the 3080
Fed up of trying to run a 1440p super ultra wide with a 980ti lol
Getting a solid 20fps with Watchdogs Legion
Gonna sell the 2080ti cheap when my 3080 arrives.
Not really bothered about losing a few hundred if it keeps me going for the next 3 months
sick reef
That's a Watch_Dogs exclusive problem, generally speaking.
Someone dropped frames in the game because their VR headset was connected.
They weren't playing it in VR, but just it being connected made them drop frames
sick reef
No, it just causes framedrops.
It's as if connecting a webcam would make you drop frames, though there's reason to believe there's some rendering being done preemptively for the VR screens, and that is causing the issues.
nimble anvil
Yeah Watchdogs Legion runs so badly
Wait, maybe I left my VR connected
I'll have a look tomorrow
abstract kite
Alyx is a really good game. How Valve did it was fantastic.
Not gonna spoil it you need to try to
proper wren
My technician was about to throw out 2 perfectly functioning but full of dust 140mm silent wings 3
proper wren
He said I can have it and I basically took his blower. Got all the dust out and cleaned out. Saved myself $80 :3
fleet canopy
Nice
keen jackal
I missed the discussion, but VA panels have really good viewing angles, color accuracy, middle-of-the-pack 4ms pixel response times. However, pixel transition times can be slow. Smearing and ghosting is more apparent in VA panels than others.
currently using two samsung curved VA monitors, one 144hz and the other 75hz, because they were the cheapest curved screens I can get
restive garnet
normally, im not really a fan of VA panels, but some of those samsung ones really make me reconsider
eternal cairn
IPS is better, honestly.
fleet canopy
It is better
jade ermine
Only con i personally had with VA was the ghosting. Like if you use dark mode on websites it gets really really noticeable
In games it was not as big of a deal
jade ermine
nimble anvil
Would a i7 4970k bottleneck a 2080ti if I'm gaming at 5,120 x 1,440?
From my understanding, higher resolutions rely less on CPU
merry bay
you're getting better
rotund kettle
My I7 - 4770k bottlenecked my 2070 tbh
sick reef
Depends on how much worse you'd think it to be.
rotund kettle
Also it finally arrived today
vapid crypt
Really the bottlenecking depends on the games you're playing, resolution is a factor but if you need more cores cause the game will do better with more then it can't be helped
sick reef
4790K is in a rather good spot, for old CPU's.
sick reef
I upgraded from that too, but mine was also slightly dying.
nimble anvil
I'll try get a Zen 3 CPU in the coming days
sick reef
If you feel that such is worth it for you.
nimble anvil
I think I'll need it when my 3080 arrives
sick reef
Need it?
nimble anvil
My life depends on it
Nah, I have a new build which needs a CPU
I could use my old CPU, but I'm planning on going with an AMD motherboard and CPU
So I need an AMD CPU
If I can't get a Zen 3 then I'll get a 3700x until stock for Zen 3 comes back
rotund kettle
I upgraded 2 month ago so
I'll hold off for now
Waiting for the hype and all to die down a bit
nimble anvil
My 2080ti arrives tomorrow so I'll see how it performs with my old CPU
Yeah, patients will get you a lot
sick reef
Are you getting both a 3080 and a 2080 Ti?
nimble anvil
I've bought a 3080, but I'm in a queue
So I got a 2080ti to keep me going till then
I might sell the 2080ti after my 3080 comes
Unless I decide to keep a backup desktop
I visit family often, so I might just leave my 2080ti build there tbh
rotund kettle
Money
nimble anvil
It is costly, but I'm in a comfortable position at the moment
I'm trying to run a 980ti on my Samsung Odyssey G9 atm and it just isn't working well
sick reef
I sometimes do spend a lot, but I don't think I'd do such.
nimble anvil
Yeah. My work is all done on my computers so it does help with that too
rotund kettle
I'm finally finishing my build with the case
sick reef
Would it be helped by having several GPUs of slightly less power more than it would be helped of having a stronger GPU?
rotund kettle
Took me some months but welp
nimble anvil
Well, I don't really need a powerful PC as I'm mostly doing web development or graphic design. But I pretend it requires it because it makes me fell less guilty spending a bunch of money on it
But it does help being able to work without any lag
rotund kettle
I upped it so I can do some video editing and stream
nimble anvil
Streaming seems to be so popular now
In all the tech servers I'm in, people seem to always want to stream with their new builds
rotund kettle
I wanted to go for it since last year but couldn't
I had an i7 - 4770k with a AMD Radeon RX 460
nimble anvil
I would stream, but I'd probably get banned because I can get a bit offensive lmao
nimble anvil
Might give it a go. But I mainly like gaming by myself
rotund kettle
This is what I do
nimble anvil
A lot of people seem to want to stream, but they end up streaming to like 2 or 3 people
nimble anvil
You have to have charisma to get anywhere with streaming
What's Visage?
I don't think I've heard of that
Ohh, the new horror game
I noticed that on Steam
rotund kettle
Yes
nimble anvil
Yeah, it sucks when you've played so many horror games that they don't scare you anymore
rotund kettle
Basically, I advised one of my friends to play Murder House
nimble anvil
I remember finding Dead Space terrifying as a kid. I wish I could feel that way again
rotund kettle
The new Puppet Combo game
And since I trolled the heck out of him, I said : Pick a game for me
And so he chose Visage
nimble anvil
Do you talk in your stream?
nimble anvil
You seem to have a fairly active chat which is good
Even if it isn't many people, it's good that they're interacting. I see so many streamers that have 1 or 2 messages lol
nimble anvil
I've followed you anyway. I'll pop in when you're on next if I'm free
rotund kettle
I played Ultrakill at one point but it was too fast paced for people I'm afraid
Thank you
nimble anvil
That game does look fun
rotund kettle
It is but it's DOOM Eternal on steroids
nimble anvil
If you want a nice slow paced game, check out Ghostrunner
rotund kettle
🤔
nimble anvil
That game is fun as hell
rotund kettle
True
nimble anvil
I have to run at the lowest settings on everything to get 60 FPS on 5,120 x 1,440 lol
That's the main reason I bought a 2080ti
It's gonna be like 3 more months till my 3080 preorder comes
In England we're going into another national lockdown on Thursday
rotund kettle
Meanwhile I'm just fine running RDR2
nimble anvil
So gonna be stuck inside for at least a month
nimble anvil
RDR2 runs at about 60FPS at 1080p high settings with my 980ti. I'm not even gonna try it on my Ultrawide though. I'd get like 20fps max
Where are you from?
Germany?
rotund kettle
France
nimble anvil
Ah, I'm bad with figuring out accents lol
Jesus, I just checked your cases
You have a lot
nimble anvil
52,000 at one point. That's crazy
Most we've had is 26,000
I don't think this thing is going away anytime soon
Gotta get our PCs beefed up ready for the apocalypse
rotund kettle
Exactly
vapid crypt
How Zen 3 is built https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sAcXhad16k
nimble anvil
They got some bald dude making each individual chip? That's crazy
vapid crypt
They also have a different bald dude making each graphics card
nimble anvil
Ohh that makes sense.
I suppose they need to be bald so that we don't end up with hairs in our brand new CPUs
Damn, being bald gives you so many more career prospects
fleet canopy
32 megs of L3 cache? That's a lotta girls
jade ermine
@vapid crypt Did you see buildzoids video about 5600X?
All core OC might be back with AMD CPU's
4.7Ghz all core 1.256V
4.9Ghz all core 1.4V
Look's extremely promising
sick reef
Didn't buildzoid talk about how boost 3.0 makes an all core OC infeasible to get you that much performance, even without the difficulties of performing such OCs, due to the temperature dependancy
nimble anvil
Hmm, I'm unsure if to get a 6800xt or 6900xt instead of getting a 3080. The AMD benchmarks look promising, but it's hard to know the full story until third party's get to benchmark them
vapid crypt
Since you're getting Zen 3 you'll only benefit in performance thanks to Smart Access Memory technically so. Even without that at least with the 6800XT I don't doubt it's at least on par with the 3080
nimble anvil
Yeah, I'll get a Zen 3 chip for sure. So you think the 6800xt will generally perform slightly below the 3080?
vapid crypt
I think it'll pretty much be the same, even without SAM
nimble anvil
The performance on the 3080 I've ordered is slightly above that of the FE
vapid crypt
Like AMD has AIB partners willing to push these cards all the same so
nimble anvil
Yeah, maybe I'll stick with the 3080 as it does perform much better with ray tracing and DLSS supposedly
vapid crypt
Uh yeah it'll be better at RTX
nimble anvil
To be fair, I'm sure they'll all perform roughly around the same. Give or take a few FPS
vapid crypt
Um, from the leaks the 6800 is beating the 3070 and 2080Ti with DLSS off, but then it loses by the same amount after DLSS is turned on. I think it's a good start to their raytracing
nimble anvil
Even the 3090 and 6900xt don't seem to have that much better performance.
Yeah, I guess I'll stick with the 3080 for now then save the extra to replace it when the next gen cards come out in a few years
vapid crypt
Once they can implement Super Resolution and that gap closes, its all uphill from there
nimble anvil
I got my Asus 2080ti Strix OC today. Pretty excited to get it running
Hopefully my 3080 comes in the next 3 months at least, then I can sell the 2080ti for roughly the same as I bought it
vapid crypt
As long as the availability stays bad, then the price of the 2080Ti will probably retain itself
What'd you pay for yours?
vapid crypt
Well actually now that I think about it, if the 6800 is more available that might affect its price too
nimble anvil
Yeah. I don't mind if I lose $100 or so
vapid crypt
It might come down to around the $500 range, that's what I expect
nimble anvil
Yeah, probably
vapid crypt
In my opinion though, I don't think its worth that. And it's only gonna settle there cause of these terrible launches
nimble anvil
I saw the exact same card sell the day after I bought mine for $1200. Idk why someone would pay that much for a 2080ti
It's strange how the 2080ti has 11GB of VRam while the 3070 and 3080 have less
Although I did hear that they're using some new technology in the new cards that increases the VRam performanc e
One thing I won't be doing with the 2080ti is gaming with ray tracing
I'll leave that till I get the 3080
vapid crypt
Well it's not really new technology, it's just way faster Vram
nimble anvil
Ray tracing on the 3080 and 3090 doesn't hit performance as much
vapid crypt
The 10gb of GDDR6X on a 320-bit bus gives it almost as much bandwidth as an alleged 384-bit 12gb GDDR6 card at standard 16gb/s
Though even then the latter has slightly more bandwidth
760gb/s vs 768gb/s
nimble anvil
That's pretty impressive
vapid crypt
Eh, I guess but I'd rather the wider bus and more Vram than the faster memory that uses more energy
nimble anvil
These are the exact specs of the 2080ti I bought:
Base Clock: 1350 MHz
- Boost Clock: 1665 MHz (OC Mode) / 1650 MHz (Gaming Mode)
- CUDA Cores: 4352
- Memory: 11GB GDDR6
- Axial-Tech Fans
vapid crypt
I suppose in a way AMD already proved that the conventional memory bus design is dead seeing as they made 256-bit work better than 384-bit while also being cheaper and using less energy
nimble anvil
Yeah, AMD have done great with their new releases
vapid crypt
Well assuming the 1600gb/s (approx) bandwidth is to be believed
nimble anvil
They've shown Intel and Nvidia that they can compete in the same top end market
vapid crypt
That's like 80% more bandwidth than the 3090 I think?
nimble anvil
That's crazy
It seems too good to be true.
But we'll see when the benches come out
vapid crypt
Um well Bandwidth is Bandwidth, but shit if it helps edge out performance at 4k it is what it is