#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
restive garnet
vapid crypt
I guess that's their alleged crystal diskmark bench numbers, so do with that for what it is
restive garnet
samsung claim that their evo plus can do 3500/3300, which would make it a marginally better drive
restive garnet
yeah, though at normal price it definitely seems way over priced
at least, compared to the sabrent
jade ermine
a-data sx8200 pro is good one to watch out too
vapid crypt
Yeah looks really good
Promises similar speeds to Samsung and it's $50 less based on current pricing
sick reef
Just need to look up a review if you're wondering, from a place that can be trusted with testing of speeds
lilac geyser
guys guys, i know i'm awesome and all , but you didnt have to name a whole day after me
fleet canopy
Took me a bit to get it
jade surge
@jade ermine. You realize the 4000 series is mobile only.
fleet canopy
I think he means RTX 4000 
jade ermine
this
fleet canopy
I'll take your RTX 3080 or RTX 3090 for anything, even ||handholding||
jade ermine
jade surge
AMD. Has had more than 5 minutes in the spotlight. The 10 gen Intel chips is pretty much for the Intel fanboys. The performance was lacking. Now with 5000 series Ryzen coming out Intel has lost. Even if Intel regains the crown AMD and Intel will compete against one another
fleet canopy
You mean AMD will just nab the crown easily and Intel will just cry
lilac geyser
I wouldnt put this past either one of them. Perhaps while they were in the lead they discovered some improvements that they held in secret so that they can spring it on the other to regain the lead
or that they have the roadmap but they just havent prioritized developing it while in the lead
jade surge
As long as Intel stays on the outdated 14nm node and has no IPC increase or architecture revamp they will be playing catch up. Essentially thats what AMD did
lilac geyser
lol
you all talk about node size like its the only factor that matters, but there's so much more to it, pipelining, cache prediction, branch prediction, and tons more I'm not covering
fleet canopy
hurr hurr 500GHz with 14nm superiorror
vapid crypt
Rocket Lake will still be on 14nm, this will only hold them back in efficiency; I do think at the very least they will be matching AMD at gaming. But they won't be targeting the highest SKUs anymore from what's been leaked about it.
8 cores is where they are stopping
jade surge
@lilac geyser I understand that there are many factors besides node size. There is also IPC, available on die cache and many others. I just use the 14nm node as what most people recognize as a factor in why they have been slowly losing shares within the CPU space. Although now that I think of it, I think Intel just got way too comfortable being on top that they did not takes steps to improve what they have
vapid crypt
Ampere refresh on 7nm next year apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXA4WylysY
jade surge
aint lookin good for Samsung
nimble anvil
What happened with Samsung?
jade surge
They were the ones who made the chips for Nvidia
vapid crypt
Their node just isn't good for massive dies that Nvidia like to use in their cards
Smartphone chips is more their speed
nimble anvil
Samsung are a great company tbh. One of the only companies where I've not had a single problem with any of their products that are really well built.
Although I've only just bought the Samsung Odyssey G9 which has apparent issues for a lot of people. Hope I haven't paid $1700 for a ticking time bomb
vapid crypt
Assuming the GPUs asics being sent out to AIBs is true, there will be lots of RTX 3000 availability next month
nimble anvil
I hope so
vapid crypt
It probably won't meet demand, but it will be a hell of a lot easier to get a card
nimble anvil
Because I'm incredibly depressed and need a solid gaming machine to distract me from it
I've had my preorder since release
I'm about 1000th in line to receive an MSI X Trio.
vapid crypt
Hmm
I know it might not have been their fault, but even after one of their associates were selling cards for double MSRP
That's kind of a stain on MSI as it is, not like that's their only flaw
nimble anvil
Yeah, MSI are a bit shady tbh. But I only really like the FE, Asus TUF and MSI Gaming Trio
I decided on MSI for the really quiet fans for pretty good thermals. Although the TUF is by far the best for thermals
vapid crypt
Nvidia kinda shafted people with forcing FE models on Best Buy
AFAIK I don't think they sell internationally
I think they only have NA presence
nimble anvil
Yeah, no BestBuy in the UK
I don't know what that means for us
Although I'm not after the FE anymore
vapid crypt
I'm pretty sure that means "Yeah if you're not in NA we don't care."
nimble anvil
The FE is sexy as fuck, but is subpar compared to the third party cards in thermals
vapid crypt
I haven't seen results so that's interesting
nimble anvil
I want to kiss those curves
vapid crypt
I know the memory runs hot, but I think the core is fine right?
I just remember seeing that on the FE the memory easily runs over 100C
nimble anvil
I was surprised how hot the FE runs, considering the fancy thermal solution
Basically, FE is the sexiest, TUF is the coolest and MSI Trio is the quietest
I originally ordered the Zotac but cancelled after seeing it performed worse than the FE for a higher price
vapid crypt
Any card can be pretty quiet if you're willing to play with the fan curve and balance out the performance I suppose
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Not something that concerns me cause my computer is probably like a meter and a half away from me, just behind one of my monitors
vapid crypt
I wasn't planning to get a 3080, but sure
nimble anvil
Well you are now
vapid crypt
I'd have to get a 4k monitor so that my 2600 isn't a liability 
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
Ooh 2 weeks til RDNA 2 announcements
vapid crypt
Ah one of those fancy QLEDs or whatever?
nimble anvil
vapid crypt
Well that's a hell of a monitor
vapid crypt
Well I just assumed they would use QLED in something high end like that
nimble anvil
Almost as much as my PC
vapid crypt
Quantum Dot Leds... hmm sounds like marketing tbh
nimble anvil
I used to be really into monitor tech, now I don't even know much about the new stuff
vapid crypt
It's better than the usual LED backlighting or something
nimble anvil
I just bought it because it was on Linus Tech tips as the best monitor available
Ah okau
vapid crypt
Better colors and what not
nimble anvil
I will try to set it up sometime this weekend maybe
I'm currently using a BenQ 144hz monitor
Pretty bad panel tbh
No HDR, all faded and shit
Although it has never given me trouble
vapid crypt
I'm using a couple of 1080p Acer 75hz IPS monitors that I got for about $100 each
vapid crypt
It's good for the money, I like IPS so I wouldn't mind sticking to IPS panels
There are drawbacks like the response time being lower than TN and ghosting
nimble anvil
Images do look clearer in the higher resolutions, although with good anti aliasing, the pixels are almost impossible to distinguish as long as you don't mind a bit of blur to edges
vapid crypt
But they have made advancements where the difference isn't huge
jade ermine
My old samsung had plenty of ghosting, Really noticeable against gray backgrounds
nimble anvil
Which model?
jade ermine
I dont remember the model but 3440x1440p 100hz VA panel
nimble anvil
Hmm, weird
We need more plasma screen monitors
So my energy bill can fly through the roof
I wonder why they stopped making plasma screens
vapid crypt
Oh yeah technically OLEDs are the new Plasma
nimble anvil
Ah okay
vapid crypt
I don't know how similar QLED is though
nimble anvil
The TV cost me $1500 and it would burn in would get image retention after 5 seconds of something being on screen
Although the image quality, colour and blacks were amazing
I hope QLED isn't the same
Otherwise I'll throw my new monitor in the trash
Can't stand burn in
vapid crypt
Shouldn't be like Plasma, it's just possible for Burn in to happen
nimble anvil
My phone screen is OLED but luckily had no issues with burn in
Did you see how bad the PS Vita OLED panels were?
vapid crypt
Well no, cause who cares about the Vita anymore?
I didn't even know anything about it when Sony was still supporting it
fleet canopy
It'd be cool to have OLED for PC monitors but never happening
At least just not in a while
fleet canopy
For TVs and phones/tablets they're alright
Nah it's cause OLED burns out faster and it worsens in quality of color faster
nimble anvil
vapid crypt
The monitor market is already getting shafted, why not make it worse?
fleet canopy
But if it's like a phone ( minimal amounts of screen time ), it's fine
nimble anvil
This is what the PS Vita screens were like whenever you'd get that kind of dark green background
fleet canopy
But your monitor is on a majority of the day, at least that's what assumed because many people do
So if it's like that, the OLED panels start to worsen really quick
If you want a quick TLDR, techquickie did a video on it
vapid crypt
How old is it?
nimble anvil
How old is what?
fleet canopy
It's not outdated imo
vapid crypt
The Techquickie video
fleet canopy
I think it was like a month ago
nimble anvil
Oh
vapid crypt
I see
fleet canopy
Wait it's 5 years ago
vapid crypt
Nice
fleet canopy
But it's still up to date imo
nimble anvil
Lol
fleet canopy
nimble anvil
About a month ago. A bit off there
vapid crypt
That's not even Techquickie
fleet canopy
It isn't?
nimble anvil
You scammed us
vapid crypt
No what?
fleet canopy
lmao wtf I typed in "Techquickie why oled monitor no exist" and it gives me this shit
nimble anvil
How dare you make a mockery of us. Do we look like monkeys to you?
vapid crypt
This is what I found, which he seems to talk about what Quantum Dots are
Basically OLED and QLED I guess
Well since Monkey has a QLED monitor, even if it is different from OLED that is a false statement
fleet canopy
Here it is
Title is a bit different lolers
A year ago, but whatever
It's because longer use = OLED becomes shit
Dunno about QLED though, so meh
fleet canopy
Such as?
vapid crypt
Being able to plug in an Antenna, support channels and what not. I guess technically with modern digital recorders that probably doesn't matter though
nimble anvil
So apparently QLED is just purer white backlighting which is more uniform, giving better colours, brightness and other shizzle
Hard to judge a specific type of panel unless you see it for yourself though
I'll let you know if I can see any difference when I open it up
If my screen isn't broken that is, as the package got damaged
vapid crypt
Who delivered it?
vapid crypt
Oh well I don't know what that is, but we have UPS and Fed Ex punting packages half the time so
I've seen footage of couriers chucking TVs over fences like it was no big deal
vapid crypt
Something you don't want taking a hard shock is a hard drive
nimble anvil
I give my hdd a good shaking once a month to keep the components nice and loose. Don't want them getting to tight and rigid
vapid crypt
I'm sure it's good practice to open up the thing and give it a bit of lube
Need to make sure those platters are spinning smoothly
nimble anvil
If I get a hard drive, I think I'll just buy it from a local tech shop instead of putting it in the hands of a baboon
vapid crypt
I got my Hard Drive from Amazon and its been working ever since I got it so
nimble anvil
Got my SSD online though. Still can't believe how small it is for 1tb
nimble anvil
vapid crypt
Are they really? Cause 2tb for $60 seems like it's pretty decent
nimble anvil
How does 1tb fit on that lil boy?
vapid crypt
Nand flash
I might get a 4tb for extra storage at some point
Or perhaps I'll settle for another NVME but at 2tb
nimble anvil
vapid crypt
Gonna need them for when devs are annoying with file compression
nimble anvil
I love the look of the LED hdds
vapid crypt
And by that I mean not compressing files at all
So now games are taking a quarter of a TB
nimble anvil
I was thinking about getting a 1tb nvme but for the same one I ordered it was like $280
vapid crypt
Forza 7 takes 117Gb
nimble anvil
Even MSFS isn't as big as Modern Warfare. And that has the entire world to scale on it
vapid crypt
I had to put that on the hard drive cause I didn't want to slow down my SSD by going past 50% capacity
nimble anvil
I doubt it would slow it that much
vapid crypt
It won't but I don't like the idea
nimble anvil
That's some OCD right there
fleet canopy
When will I have 2TB SSDs for 100$ smh
vapid crypt
No no don't steal anything 
nimble anvil
You think I paid for that super ultrawide monitor?
Nah, just took it
Walked out the Samsung store with it
fleet canopy
kek
livid breach
dense wasp
vapid crypt
In case anyone was wondering if a 3600 will hold back the 3080, the resounding answer is mostly no
It's notably slower at 1080 and 1440, but imo it's not that far behind at 1440 that it's a pretty decent choice especially for the money 
median moon
eternal cairn
Same with my 3900x.
rancid kindle
aight so my school is giving me a new headset worth $600 (i coach a team and theyre giving these to all the coaches) and im trying to compare it to my current one, i need your thoughts if anyone knows ab this:
my current one: https://www.amazon.ca/SteelSeries-Arctis-Wireless-Gaming-Headset/dp/B079YBKT3H/ref=asc_df_B079YBKT3H/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292937752795&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2926229517197587744&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002273&hvtargid=pla-634577699037&psc=1
the new one: https://www.jabra.ca/business/office-headsets/jabra-evolve/jabra-evolve2-85##28599-989-999
nimble anvil
My school gave me a 3090 SLI as I need to use a lot of Microsoft PowerPoint
void perch
nimble anvil
That's fake
void perch
I'm actually not even using all of it. 4x 10 TB's and 2x 12 TB's but the pool is throwing out 4 TB's from the 12's due to how raid 5 works. I need to get an expansion unit and migrate stuff
nimble anvil
Is that storage so you can download Call of Duty Modern Warfare?
Because I think you'll need more
vapid crypt
Yeah so people freaking out about bottlenecks with Ampere, it's not rooted in logic. Like the fact that a $200 CPU for the time being will work well enough with a high end card just shows that it's not a big deal.
Nah even then we're talking e-sports games where a 2070 Super will give you that level of performance on low settings 1080p
You're not getting 300fps in AAA games
Can you even get 300fps in Modern Warfare?
Eh I doubt it
void perch
Is that storage so you can download Call of Duty Modern Warfare?
@nimble anvil lol
I really want to make my own NAS, built from scratch. Might do that using SSD's
vapid crypt
Anyone buying two 3090s to achieve 300FPS at 1080 needs a reality check
I know people will do it
And among other ridiculous shit that people do on a daily basis as they days go on, the more I lose grip on reality myself
I remember that, some people benefited but most didn't right?
Honestly comp players running 240Hz are high skilled zoomers that can handle it
But were they Zoomers?
nimble anvil
I need to power a 1440p monitor. I'm unsure how much I'll rely on a CPU
As my monitor is ultrawide, will I get similar performance to the 4k benchmarks? Since the amount of pixels on my screen should be close to that of 4k
I'm unsure how the division between gpu and cpu go tbh
vapid crypt
If the pixel density is closer to 4k
Then I would expect similar results, maybe slightly higher frames
Largely GPU bottlenecked
Hmm
vapid crypt
Has anyone tested ultrawide 1440 to regular 4k?
Cause Ultrawide is more taxing on the GPU than otherwise
nimble anvil
Even though there's more pixels on my ultrawide than a regular 1440p monitor?
I thought it would require more power
vapid crypt
I think that makes sense
nimble anvil
Yeah, a lot wider
It requires at least a 2070
For decent gaming
And I'm running a 980ti lmao
vapid crypt
I think going forward 2080 performance might be needed for something like that
nimble anvil
Ah shit
vapid crypt
Will it really?
Source?
Well I guess it's good you're targeting cards that handle 4k
Show me that 3080 or Big Navi equivalent
abstract kite
Would a 5700XT struggle to push 1440?
vapid crypt
No, not yet anyway
It has been touted as a 1440p card since launch
It's easily pushing over 80FPS in most things I think
nimble anvil
I'll get the monitor up and running tomorrow and I'll let you know how it runs with a 980ti. I'll get a solid 20fps at medium settings
nimble anvil
True
vapid crypt
Maybe a bit slower... but somewhere around there
nimble anvil
The 980ti has been such a reliable card for me
Never had any issues
Runs games at almost always over 60 fps at high settings
1080p that is
So I guess my cpu comes into that
vapid crypt
Yeah I get similar results with my RX 580 for the most part
More closer to 60 the newer the game, though it depends on optimization and settings. I can get around 100 - 120+ in say Resident Evil 2
nimble anvil
That's more than enough for a good gaming experience tbh
I love games like RE2 that are so well optimised
That make the most of the cards
vapid crypt
Ah so Monster Hunter World... regrettably a Denuvo title does run a bit slower than I like. Though it's not a big deal, it dips to 50ish sometimes depending on the map and big monster doing stuff
I am running an older driver though cause DarkSiders wasn't working on the latest one
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
Hmm AMD might have something on par with the 3090 going by RGT here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrG8pMglVFY
vapid crypt
Yeah I implied 2080 level performance would be preferable for a monitor like that
nimble anvil
Oh, that's better. I was worried I'd struggle to hit those hight FPS even with a 3080
vapid crypt
I mean for Ultra, yeah a weaker card might struggle a bit depending on the game. Otherwise it's fine I would think
nimble anvil
I would get a 3090, but really can't justify paying over twice as much for roughly 15% performance increase at most
vapid crypt
It's more like roughly 10%
nimble anvil
Yeah, really not worth it for gaming
vapid crypt
15% is optimistic, 20% is only in niche cases with fully pathtraced games
nimble anvil
Might upgrade if they bring out a 3080ti
fleet canopy
Don't think we'll get a 3080 Ti
There's been something said that we'll get super variants of the RTX 3000
nimble anvil
Yeah, it'd have to be like 5% better so it wouldn't be better than the 3090 lol
vapid crypt
There's alleged refreshes for 7nm coming out next year
fleet canopy
Still don't think it's going to be 3080 Ti in the lineup
vapid crypt
It would take like 10 months though
If I had to guess
But if they really needed to, they could sell a cheaper cutdown 3090
nimble anvil
I'd buy a 3090 if it was cheaper. Maybe like $1000
vapid crypt
Background?
fleet canopy
Watch the video
nimble anvil
I'm hoping that the ultrawide is worth it. Otherwise i'll just return it and get a 4k monitor
nimble anvil
Yeah lmao
vapid crypt
I think it will be
fleet canopy
So hard
fleet canopy
Uhh
nimble anvil
I'm gonna have to turn my neck just to see the UI lol
vapid crypt
No it's not
fleet canopy
Unless it's in a match, which I didn't take much notice cause "What the fuck how does anyone play like this"
nimble anvil
Minimap on the left, ammo count on the right. I'm gonna get neck cramp.
abstract kite
good pixel density tho
abstract kite
oof, does your neck turn that far? 😂
nimble anvil
Thank god it's not 49 inches at 16:9
vapid crypt
That's gonna be a tough aspect ratio to get older games to run at
nimble anvil
Yeah, the G9
vapid crypt
Like if you wanted to play an older game
nimble anvil
I don't think my neck will turn that far. I've spent the past 24 years gaming without having to move my neck. I don't think it can move
vapid crypt
I want to see how small the text would be in FEAR
nimble anvil
Yeah, I'll just play older games at 16:9 with black sides. It turns off pixels at the sides of the screen so it looks more like a 16:9
Localised dimming or some shit
vapid crypt
I would just do a window at that point, like with a monitor that wide I wouldn't need a second one
nimble anvil
Yeah, it is essentially 2 monitors
I'll just window any games that don't support it
vapid crypt
2 1440p monitors going by the resolution
nimble anvil
The local dimming doesn't work well in all cases though
It basically separates the lighting into different sections
Yeah, pretty much
Although there's no visible seam
vapid crypt
In terms of size it's the equivalent of two 1440p monitors
Maybe it would be worth getting something like that
nimble anvil
Lmao, that one Linus paid 6k for had literal lines between the different monitors
You can get the same res ultrawide for like $1000
I haven't seen this monitor, but from the specs it's very close to the G9 but at a much better price
Actually, not quite the same res
But not that far off
I would have gone with that if I had a lower budget
vapid crypt
That's $749 here
vapid crypt
It's out of stock atm but this one I found for a grand
nimble anvil
"Zero Dead Pixels Guaranteed"
Lmao
What
Why do manufacturers think that dead pixels are acceptable in the first place?
vapid crypt
Um I think that just means if you find any dead pixels in that time they will replace it
I found a samsung one but I don't think it's the same model
jade ermine
I would have to turn my head to see minimap in some games god damn
torn ferry
I have a very dumb question.
fleet canopy
Yes?
torn ferry
Should I not let my cats lay on top of my computer tower?
fleet canopy
Eh, it's fine I guess
With cats, it's extra cleaning on your PC but it's w/e
You'll only have to worry about your cat laying on your keyboard, since you use it
gaunt rampart
i was thinking of updating my graphics card. I currently have a gtx 1050ti. What would be a good upgrade in the 200-250 price range? I've checked online but got overwhelmed by all the options.
And quite frankly, I understand software much better than I understand hardware
merry bay
It's a little hairier inside, might have to clean a tiny bit more often. But the cats like it warm I guess.
As long as your case isn't choked for air because of it sounds like a non-issue.
torn ferry
At the bare minimum, how often should I be cleaning inside it?
merry bay
depends on airflow. Either when you notice a dip in temps or just every few months.
i always get a hair carpet on my CPU cooler roughly once a month. Hold down the fan with a finger and vacuum it up when cleaning my room. Not necassary so often, can let it get a lot worse before it turns into a problem
i shift 2-5 degrees by letting it build up
fleet canopy
I could recommend getting a 1660 Super @gaunt rampart
gaunt rampart
I was looking at that one. Thanks for confirming I was on the right track
nimble anvil
Cats generate a lot of static electricity
Also, you should clean inside your cat every few months
merry bay
ran into a fresh pic on another discord enjoying the same view
and ofc it reuploads sideways...
nimble anvil
That's cgi
torn ferry
What is the recommended port I should use when connecting graphics card to the monitor?
vapid crypt
Probably Display Port unless the monitor only supports HDMI in which case the choice is obvious
torn ferry
Why Display Port over HDMI?
vapid crypt
Well that's kind of the more supported port now
You might notice that graphics cards now have more Display port than HDMI
fleet canopy
Speakers on monitors are rarely used so it's meh
Plus, Display Port let's you play on high resolution with high FPS
HMDI is like a cut-down of that, but allows you to use speakers on monitor
vapid crypt
Right now HDMI is limited to 120hz I think
fleet canopy
2.1 is the most recent update of the HDMI specification and supports a range of higher video resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, and resolutions up to 10K. Dynamic HDR formats are also supported, and bandwidth capability is increased up to 48Gbps.
hallow dagger
Anyone got one of them elusive 3080's does it run the game well at max?
fleet canopy
I'm sure a build with a 2070 Super could run GTFO at max
vapid crypt
As far as I know, no one in this server has a 3080
fleet canopy
But GTFO ain't so optimized well, so don't expect a huge increase in FPS
Although for other games, you'll see a big improvement I guess
vapid crypt
Ludvig was planning to get a 3090 I don't know if he got it
fleet canopy
Nah, he wouldn't have yet
Too damn hard to get hands on the lineup still lol
No one's gonna be able to easily get one until 2021 lolers
vapid crypt
Well there's going to be more supply next month apparently
fleet canopy
But doesn't mean scalpers can't get it all
fleet canopy
I know kek
The sales next month is to just have a huge amount of GPUs to put to stock so people have a chance not including scalpers and such
torn ferry
Are you sure it's not an issue that my cat likes to sit on top of my computer tower?
Outside of just needing to clean it more often?
vapid crypt
Where's your cooler mounted?
torn ferry
Top, so I'm thinking it's bad and that I need to constantly pick her up off of it.
vapid crypt
And it's exhausting?
torn ferry
Intake.
merry bay
check your temps, that's the most important part. I doubt the cat is completely choking the system when on it
vapid crypt
Yeah if it's intake, you should stop her from sitting there
torn ferry
I'm thinking of just putting the cat bed on top of the tower so at least hair isn't going into the system.
What are normal CPU temps?
And GPU temps.
CPU Package is 43 C and GPU is 72 C.
fleet canopy
But your top intake for your CPU is going to get blocked if you put bed on top
merry bay
How bad has it gotten when you clean out your case? You can observe and decide if it's problematic.
torn ferry
So how do I stop my cat from climbing on top of the tower?
vapid crypt
I don't know the first thing about raising cats
torn ferry
Are my temps normal though?
merry bay
under 90 is plenty good
vapid crypt
The side fans are already exhausting
torn ferry
Is my fan setup ideal?
vapid crypt
Since you didn't realize that your side fans were already exhausting, are you absolutely certain that the top is intaking?
And actually maybe the sides would be better as intake, seeing as the bottom fan there isn't doing anything. It's just exhausting the air immediately from the fan underneath it, then just have everything exhausting via the radiator
Basically Intake bottom, Intake side, Exhaust top
torn ferry
How do I know if it's intake or exhaust?
fleet canopy
I believe the air goes whichever way the company logo faces
torn ferry
So if I see the front of the fan, it's exhausting, and the back is intake?
floral pendant
lots of manufacturers also put little markings on the fans indicating which way blows and which way sucks
torn ferry
So it seems bottom is intake, top is exhaust, and side is exhaust, which I assume is not good.
fleet canopy
Eh, it isn't too bad imo. But yeah switching up the intake/exhaust can be better
torn ferry
What makes it not too bad? What is worse?
fleet canopy
For me personally, I would use an exhaust on bottom but most seem to just suggest bottom be intake instead exhaust so eh
So like Demonio said, you can put the bottom as intake, and top + side as exhaust
I never really researched fan placements too much, and whenever I do try one, someone else seems to suggest something better with a good reason behind it
vapid crypt
Make the sides Intake
So your exhaust point is up, heat rises so that is most efficient
Well it is already that way I guess
If it's working though you probably don't need to change anything
You would have positive pressure with more intakes, and that's ideal
proper wren
I might be getting R5 5600x
fleet canopy
smh not the 6900X + 6900XT?
fleet canopy
Tech chat be like: tech
honest sparrow
Hm.
vapid crypt
Tech This Out
fleet canopy
Linus Sex Tips
fleet canopy
Very cool
nimble anvil
The display ratio fucks everything up lol
fleet canopy
har har
nimble anvil
Can't figure out how to get over 60hz
fleet canopy
You right click the background, go to NVIDIA control panel, go to Change Resolution, and there's a drop down list with the "60Hz" n stuff
fleet canopy
Ye I was right
It’s worth noting that you’ll also need the right cable. So, make sure you have a DisplayPort 1.2 or HDMI 2.0 connection to take advantage of the full frame rate experience.
nimble anvil
For the price, I'd hope the cable isn't shite lol
fleet canopy
Alr
nimble anvil
Hmm, may have found the issue
My PC is detecting the monitor as a "Generic PnP Monitor"
Whatever that means
fleet canopy
Are you using Window's whateverthingy?
nimble anvil
Yeah
fleet canopy
Are you sure the program thing itself is called "NVIDIA Control Panel"?
nimble anvil
Yeah, I did check that
fleet canopy
Huh
nimble anvil
This is all it shows
I did find these drivers
Oh wait, it won't show the same for you
Basically, I found the place to download the correct drivers
Although the download link doesn't work lmao
vapid crypt
Funny enough Windows finally rolled out an update to change the refresh rate in the advanced settings
fleet canopy
Hm.
fleet canopy
Fuckin 1500$USD MSRP l o l
nimble anvil
I got it for $100
fleet canopy
Mm
nimble anvil
Nah, jk lol
vapid crypt
Right click desktop, go to display settings; scroll down and click on advanced display settings
nimble anvil
Was expensive, but I don't really buy anything else
Ah yes, I tried that too
I just realised my Windows isn't updated
Maybe the thing you mentioned would benefit me
vapid crypt
Well I didn't get that update either, but you can still change it from there
Odd cause I had an update yesterday
fleet canopy
Got the update, maybe my update thing is there but idk
nimble anvil
Strange thing is, the higher refresh rates work on the lower resolutions
vapid crypt
Should be good for 120Hz right?
fleet canopy
Can't find anything for refresh rate in winderp settings
nimble anvil
240hz is what I'm after, but 120 would be fine too
vapid crypt
Is the monitor rated to run at 240hz?
onyx ember
Anyone able to help me get a part list for a new pc build for an RTX 3070 later today?
vapid crypt
Shit no wonder you "spent a fortune" on it
nimble anvil
That's why it was so expensive lol
fleet canopy
You have a 980 Ti, are you sure you can do an ultrawide 1440p on so called 240Hz?
nimble anvil
I should be able to set it. Actually obtaining that in anything other than the desktop is another thing
fleet canopy
Ya want Intel or AMD Sohca?
nimble anvil
Intel
onyx ember
Intel preferably. I'm not familiar with AMD and I've heard stories of AMD and NVIDIA hardware not wanting to work together somtimes.
onyx ember
🤷🏻♂️
vapid crypt
Well you would go for the one that supports the latest chipset
fleet canopy
Well, 10700K is cheaper by 20$, and probably offers something better over a 9900K but idk
onyx ember
I have an i5 7600k and it still kicks ass with my 1060 6GB. I just think I should get something more modern and I think going for a whole new build is just the best option at this point in technology and gaming.
fleet canopy
Need a monitor included for it as well?
onyx ember
I've been out of the loop in tech hardware for a while though so I need help catching up to speed
yeah
Probably going with a BenQ, but open to suggestions
fleet canopy
Now with all the new AMD craze, I have completely forgotten hurr hurr on intel boards cause I've never paid much attention to em lmao
Gigabyte Aorus Elite?
vapid crypt
Been out of the loop huh, AMD just took the gaming crown officially last week
fleet canopy
Yeah AMD is just winning
vapid crypt
For their new stuff rolling out in 3 weeks
Honestly they're better in everything imo, even their current stuff. They're only losing marginally in gaming with their last gen parts
torn ferry
Should I disconnect the fans before flipping them or is the power turned off and the PSU unplugged enough?
vapid crypt
Which makes no difference at higher than 1080p resolutions
nimble anvil
Probably best to do so, yeah
vapid crypt
Motherboards aren't for gaming, but okay
onyx ember
you know what I mean
vapid crypt
"Gaming" is a marketing term at this point
nimble anvil
As long as the motherboard has rgb on it, it's a gaming motherboard
onyx ember
you don't buy an Asus ROG Maximus XI for a school computer
fleet canopy
Gaymingggg
onyx ember
you're usually buying it for a gaming system
vapid crypt
Yeah you can save fucking $50 just getting a plain looking motherboard, and it will perform identically
torn ferry
The side fans were the most difficult for me to screw in.
vapid crypt
As long as it's in the same line up and chipset
onyx ember
anyway
fleet canopy
You're getting the apple monitor, you'll thank me later
onyx ember
wot
vapid crypt
Yeah dude that $1000 monitor stand
fleet canopy
I love that PCPP has an apple monitor
nimble anvil
Stand alone is almost worth my monitor wot
vapid crypt
It's a 5k monitor too
nimble anvil
You're right. You need a 10k monitor
torn ferry
What is the easiest way to screw in the side fans? While the tower is upright or while it's laid down?
onyx ember
ffs
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
I mean 8k more like it
onyx ember
I don't even need 4k really
torn ferry
When do you guys think 3000 series GPUs will stabilize enough?
vapid crypt
Honestly we don't know
There's a lot of conflicting information
Either they're rolling out a ton of supply next month, or they'll be dry til 2021
fleet canopy
How much is the XL2730Z
vapid crypt
Big Navi won't be dry I know that
torn ferry
I'm thinking all I need is a 3070, but I'm unsure.
fleet canopy
Cannot find price for it
vapid crypt
Are you sure you even need the upgrade?
fleet canopy
It's unavailable everywhere
vapid crypt
3070 will only be marginally better than a 2080
fleet canopy
Meant for Shawn
torn ferry
How much of an upgrade is 3080?
vapid crypt
Uh like 70% faster something like that
fleet canopy
fleet canopy
Left out case and fans for you to find and pick, then will find a similar one that's better or cheaper with same looks/performance
onyx ember
that one for me?
torn ferry
I'm pretty if I upgrade there will be a bottleneck.
fleet canopy
yes
vapid crypt
There won't be
torn ferry
I have an 8700k though.
vapid crypt
Yeah, that's fine
fleet canopy
The monitors I put in there are some of my recommendations for the build
onyx ember
thanks mate
fleet canopy
Left out the 3080 cause no sexy MSI GPU is in it
vapid crypt
And you're playing at 1440p right?
fleet canopy
I mean ASUS TUF
vapid crypt
I would hope so if you would be considering a 3080
fleet canopy
He's getting the 3070, so it would be 1440p 144hz
vapid crypt
CPU bottleneck is literally only a concern if you're running 1080p LOW
onyx ember
does that powersupply come with the cabling or do I need to get that separate?
fleet canopy
PSU comes with cables
onyx ember
and holy shit 750w is all that needs? I'm really out of it haha
vapid crypt
Yeah Ampere is terribly inefficient
torn ferry
Fully modular comes with the cables, no modular comes with the cables already physically attached to the power supply.
fleet canopy
I wonder if there's enough connectors from the PSU for the 3070 lolers
vapid crypt
The 3090 is easily drawing over 400W ALONE when oc'ed
3080 is like whay 370W or something
Space heater time
fleet canopy
3070 does 300W, yeah?
vapid crypt
3070 is more reasonable
torn ferry
How much does the 2080 draw?
vapid crypt
Like 220 - 250W
fleet canopy
Yeah, pretty much a 2080 Ti without 4K gaming benefits
torn ferry
I have the Corsair AX1000 Titanium.
fleet canopy
eggsbensive
onyx ember
Bro, don't scare me trying to say the PSU doesn't have enough connectors haha
vapid crypt
Um... hard to say
fleet canopy
Unless he's running dual 3090 lmaooo
torn ferry
It was the only PSU I could find at the time,
fleet canopy
Linus had to get a 1600W for his dual 3090 test
vapid crypt
3070 AIB model should have a single 8 pin, maybe sometimes 2 8 pins for overclock headroom
onyx ember
I'm only getting a 3070 holy fuck 😂
torn ferry
And when I saw a Best Buy somehow have a PSU that isn't gouged or out of stock, I bought it.
vapid crypt
The FE model has their new proprietary 12 pin
fleet canopy
It drew about 1022W at max when doing a Tomb of the Raider benchmark with both GPUs 90-100% usage
vapid crypt
And that comes with an adapter, usually converting to a 2 8 pin
fleet canopy
That's the entire PC of course
vapid crypt
And you want to use two separate cables for each pin
fleet canopy
Lord knows how much the GPUs were using
fleet canopy
Yeah fuck it I'm adding in the case and fans too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJXkTJ
There's what I'd have picked for the 3070 build now
vapid crypt
Yeah he's just shitposting dude
onyx ember
knowing my luck the PSU will get overwhelmed or not have enough cables
vapid crypt
Only if it's a Power Color Red Devil
fleet canopy
The PSU or the GPU?
torn ferry
Don't buy Asus motherboards.
fleet canopy
Buy ASUS TUF
onyx ember
PSU. when I meant not enough cables I meant it wouldn't have enough to power the GPU
vapid crypt
So anything at 650W or above generally comes with ample PCI-e cables
fleet canopy
Really going to get you in a TUF situation
vapid crypt
At least 2 8 pins
torn ferry
The first motherboard I bought for the build was a Asus ROG Z390-E, which was defective, the RAM slots were nonfunctional.
fleet canopy
Kind of a disappointment I couldn't OC my RAM which I think the general direction is leading straight for the motherboard VRMs
That's just one board
vapid crypt
Or at least getting there
fleet canopy
Overpriced lolers
torn ferry
Do you ever need to reapply thermal paste?
vapid crypt
Um depends on the paste you used
fleet canopy
If you're going to remove the CPU cooler def
torn ferry
Arctic MX-5.
vapid crypt
Some pastes will work fine for years as long as it remains in place
Yeah MX-5 works for years
Maybe re-paste every couple of years if you're using it constantly
torn ferry
What do you do for cleaning GPUs, both the backplate/PCB and the fans?
vapid crypt
Blast it with compressed air
torn ferry
Don't you have to hold the fans while you do it to avoid static buildup?
vapid crypt
Changing out the paste only makes sense if the GPU is really old, like 3 or 4 years+
I dunno I just take the thing out and hit it with some air
torn ferry
Are GPUs less fragile than I think they are?
vapid crypt
Possibly
I saw this video where a dude ordered some cards from Wish
And he got an RX 570 that survived getting tossed around inside a soft bubble pack
torn ferry
Do I ever need to dismantle the card to clean it?
vapid crypt
Not unless it has some serious build up from not being cleaned for a long time
fleet canopy
I was fumbling with my GPU trying to take it out, and thought I broke it like two times
Turns out it was just fucking loose
vapid crypt
Also it's kind of a concern since thermal pads can get damaged so you would need to have some of those too
fleet canopy
What an annoying piece of shit to deal with, literally having to deal with pressing the damn unlock thing and then fumbling more to deal with it
And then stabbing the motherboard to get GPU off
And it still works : )
torn ferry
So far it's been almost 2 years since having the prebuilt that the card was originally in, and for this build I took out that card and put it in this one.
vapid crypt
If you aren't hammering the graphics card literally
With a hammer
Then it's fine
fleet canopy
I'm like
Tugging it like tug of war or some shit
And I got me screwdriver cause the pcie unlocker is a little fucking cunt to work with
torn ferry
Could I use a microfiber cloth to clean the fans?
fleet canopy
Yeah probably not the best idea, but my thumbs were hurting and it was too difficult to press it
vapid crypt
It might be possible to remove the fans, I know I can do that with my card
It's a small screw for each one
torn ferry
I do wonder how much I can reasonably sell the 2080 for if I do get a 3080.
fleet canopy
yeah fair price for it
torn ferry
Will those prices drop when the 3000 series become more available?
fleet canopy
The price will stay
The 2080 Ti price might drop slightly when it isn't so damn hard to grab a 3000 series
vapid crypt
The 2080Ti has to drop if there's ample 3080s at around MSRP
vapid crypt
Yeah it'll probably go for at the lowest $450
fleet canopy
Crazy ass price drop, like holy shit
torn ferry
Sweet.
fleet canopy
Nice price drop
Went from 3000$ to 2500$
Why can't we order colors on gee pee youu
smh
nimble anvil
What a bargain
torn ferry
What is an app I can use to monitor temperatures while in game?
vapid crypt
HW monitor
nimble anvil
Or put a thermometer inside your pc
torn ferry
What specific program lets it be viewable while in game?
vapid crypt
You could use MSI Afterburner and configure the riva tuner overlay
nimble anvil
Turns out the UI stays at the same ratio so I don't have to turn my head lol
Getting a solid 60 at 1440p
Wish I could figure out how to unlock it from 60hz though
Idk how my 980ti is handling it so well
old patrol
nimble anvil
Titanfall 2
restive garnet
honestly, titanfall 2 was the first game i played on my ultra wide, and its also the reason im never going back to regular monitors
nimble anvil
Yeah, playing TF2 is insane
Idk, most games I've played seem to support it so far
The only one that was a bit janky was Dead by Daylight
That game just zoomes all the way in
vapid crypt
I tried it earlier using eyefinity, but the split between the monitors is a big drawback compared to a proper ultrawide
At least in Doom it is, literally any shooter I guess
vapid crypt
Lame I'm using a couple 22" monitors
merry bay
this makes me picture Apple finding out their new iMac isn't overheating so they had to keep pushing
fleet canopy
Hm.
jade surge
I will take that with a grain of salt and a shot of penicillin. Would be nice if it is true
it's crazy how AMD and Intel both did a complete 180 in the performance
lilac geyser
its a good number if true, but im surprised at how they got a 5950X working in an imac
should I not be surprised?
eternal cairn
Probably not.
lilac geyser
amd made it clear they didnt want to but zen 3 on previous gen motherboards, but they eventually did, I'm surprised they bothered to do it on a apple motherboard
arent imac pros using xeons?
fleet canopy
It's too strange for it to be an Apple OS
lilac geyser
hackintosh?
fleet canopy
Yeah, I was thinking it could be that if it actually is being done on some kinda Apple OS
eternal cairn
Crapple OS.
eternal cairn
Crabapple OS.
fleet canopy
nimble anvil
I think my gpu can't support high res and high refresh rate 😥
That's why I've had so much trouble with it
Still 1000th in line for the 3080
Life is tough
merry bay
Could this be a cause for concern? Off-color section, worried it might start spreading
maybe someone's seen something similar
nimble anvil
Looks like backlight bleed or something
I doubt it will spread
Maybe some glue came loose and the panel separated a bit
vapid crypt
You gonna buy it?
nimble anvil
How did you manage to find that?
You should buy it
Oh shit
Get your mum to come buy it
nimble anvil
Where do you have it? America?
nimble anvil
Ah okay
proper wren
Employees not allowed to purchase 3000 series
proper wren
So I went across the street to our competitor instead
proper wren
Cant
fleet canopy
lame
proper wren
My only option is to give my money to the competitor. Oh well 
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
I know you want that Big Navi though
proper wren
I do LOL
He's right that my mom can buy it though
But someone bought it one hour after I put it on the shelf
vapid crypt
No surprise there
I hope the supply rumor about there being a lot more next month is true
fleet canopy
If it isn't, NVIDIA just looks like shit
vapid crypt
They already kinda do
Like the alleged shortages until next year would make things worse
gaunt rampart
@fleet canopy I went and got the 1660 Super. It's working nice. I had to get a new PSU due to not having a 8 pin power cable. It all worked out though. Thanks for the suggestion.
fleet canopy
You're welcome :)
vapid crypt
Its a great 1080p card
jade surge
I put a 1660ti in the rig i built for my daughter and I like it
I should have gotten what?
jade surge
it's not my first build. But is actually overkill for my daughter cause she really doesnt play games. But it will definitely power the two 27 inch 1080p monitors
I want to build a PC for me but I am waiting to see the results of the AMD cpu's and GPU's
abstract kite
Why? It's not likely you'll get any of the new Hardware on release.
wheat mountain
So I am changing my CPU from an Intel Pentium G4560 to an i7 6700k and I have an Asrock h110 pro BTC+ motherboard on BIOS version 2.8. I was looking up if I will need to update my BIOS at all to change my CPU and all it says is 'Since BIOS all' which I assume means that it can run on any BIOS for my motherboard so I won't need to update it but I was hoping someone here might be able to confirm or help me as I couldn't find much online to help.
Link to my motherboard's CPU support list: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110 Pro BTC+/index.asp#CPU
Basically I just want to know what 'Since BIOS All means'
vapid crypt
Did you buy the 6700k already?
wheat mountain
Not yet
vapid crypt
It's kinda weird pairing a K sku with a non Z board
Just get a 6700 tbh, you don't really get much benefit otherwise
wheat mountain
Would an i7 6700k still work or would I have to get a 6700
vapid crypt
It would work, it's just kind of a waste because the K skus are unlocked for overclocking and you can't overclock with an H board
wheat mountain
Ah alright. Back to my original question does 'Since BIOS: All' mean that I won't need to update my BIOS as it should already work or what
vapid crypt
Since it says All, yeah it should work with any bios revision
Though it's not a bad idea to ensure you have the latest Bios for any microcode updates and what not
wheat mountain
Alright, thanks.
vapid crypt
Depending on when you got the board it might already have the latest one too
wheat mountain
I'll check to make sure it's updated
vapid crypt
So the card itself is gonna be drawing more
That's just the chip, the rest of the stuff like the memory and what not maybe add 30w? I dunno
fleet canopy
Still not that bad to be fair
vapid crypt
As long as it's under 320 and giving comparable performance to the 3080 that's great
That's the 21XT though
We still don't know anything about 21XTX
fleet canopy
The what
nimble anvil
What's the point in getting a gaming PC if you're not gonna go with a 1000 watt PSU that causes you to go bankrupt due to the energy bill?
vapid crypt
Can't tell if you're trolling right now
nimble anvil
I don't troll. I'm a Christian
Idk if to buy a 2080ti then sell it after I get a 3080
Not sure if the value will drop on the 2080tis will drop soon
nimble anvil
Yh true
vapid crypt
That's if you can get one now when the supply is still scarce
Once availability starts opening up the 2080Ti will start creeping down, or straight up fall to or below $500 assuming the 3070 is available
If the 3070 is matching/slightly beating the 2080Ti at everything but 4k, that will dictate the 2080Ti's price I'd say
Also I linked info about this earlier, but here it is in article form
More Big Navi specs
Well I should say more confirmed specs
vapid crypt
Yes it is our card Comrade
pseudo perch
guys i got a new NVM , is there a way to copy windows 10 from my ssd to my new NVM ?
nimble anvil
Idk tbh
vapid crypt
I know it's called drive cloning, but I've never done it before
nimble anvil
I think I'm gonna go with a 10700k now that I think about it. The new Zen 3 counterpart is roughly equivalent for a bit more price and judging by the hype, they're probably gonna be sold out for a long time. Then I'll upgrade whenever the next Intel CPU comes out.
I don't know enough about benchmarking to do it properly lol
If only I had the funds
I could take out a small loan of a million dollars which might help me get started, barely
Ideally, I'd get the 5950x, but can't justify that price when I'm gaming at the higher res. Who knew Intel would become the more budget option
lilac geyser
@pseudo perch GParted can clone and resize your partitions to the new ssd
jade surge
Intel may eventually become the budget option once they drop the prices of the 10th Gen CPU's. Until that time AMD is not only going to be the top dog in budget and performance
eternal cairn
Most likely. Everything is flip flopped between the two companies now, but I can still see Intel making a comeback in the late future.
merry bay
wrong chat(don't mind me)
pine lion
Rocket will def top amd cpus..
jade surge
Intel will have to redesign a whole new architecture with more than just gaming in mind. I don't think there will ever be a clear winner after that. It will just go back and forth and be a per4son's preference
pine lion
Nah I’m sure they will just retain gaming at this point, anything else is lga 20 set
I thought about building a 2066.
vapid crypt
Hmm no at best Rocket Lake may edge out at gaming again, but it doesn't matter if they're still losing at everything else. They're capping out at 8 cores apparently? At least going by alleged leaks, Alder Lake being 12th gen is where they will be making a substantial leap.
jade surge
Intel has lost the gaming crown
and when Intel releases Alder Lake in 2021 they may regain the gaming crown but only until Zen 4 is released
and if the reports are true from the Intel camp, when Alder Lake is released they will be using Socket 1700 which will be used for two generations after.
gaming utilizes Single core performance and Intel kept a tight grip on that. Intel will only be able to win all around performance once they can up their core count
eternal cairn
I can't go back to less than 10 cores.
jade surge
Alder Lake may be a substantial leap in overall performance. But, does that mean it will be even with ZEN 3 or beat it. And even if it beats out ZEN 3 what happens when AMD releases ZEN 4
Hell, look how long it took Intel to even consider AMD as competition. It seems now that Intel is behind the power curve
I have built both AMD and Intel machines and honestly this is the first time that I have seen high performance motherboards for AMD. Plus, now if you go to Best Buy or even look online you can see quite a lot of Laptops with the Ryzen chips. Hell, before ZEN all that had the AMD chips were those crappy $200 laptops
The game has definitely changed