It will be a one way update
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
You will lose all support for anything older than Zen 3
And if something goes wrong you can't roll back to an old Bios
Too risky imo, the only ones that are safe are like the MAX boards or any 400 board that has a 32mbit bios
restive garnet
Gotta say, so far im not fussed over the 5000 series
It really seems like they caught up to intel and gave up
nimble anvil
Yeah, they have a slight lead but not for long most likely
restive garnet
Seems like it
3000 was super competitive, this is just them pulling a move from intels playbook
nimble anvil
Maybe they agreed with Intel to not push much each gen so they can keep selling us chips that give 1% performance increase each gen lmao
restive garnet
No increase in core count, marginal performance increase overall and a price hike
nimble anvil
I suppose AMD want to compete in the same top end market now without really pushing much more than their competitors.
restive garnet
Sounds accurate
nimble anvil
Maybe they're afraid that if they push too much, Intel will send hitmen after them
restive garnet
Probs more likely is they have very quickly become complacent
They have just pulled ahead and they wanna milk it for everything its worth
nimble anvil
Yeah, they probably have tech which is way ahead of the new chips. Just gotta squeeze it out slowly for that dolla
nimble anvil
Surely they'd show off their best
vapid crypt
Surely, I'm like 20% unsure though 
It's either empty teasing, or they really haven't teased the best yet and this is merely a taste of what's to come
I think it would be in their best interest to reduce hype though
Cause what they showed is on average like 7% slower than the 3080 just based on the results
nimble anvil
Although a more reasonable price
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
It's only the 3080, not the most high end GPU
AMD could possibly manage to have a GPU more powerful than a 3080
nimble anvil
It looks like they compete for a different part of the market though. Being the more affordable option with a lot of performance. That's what AMD has always been good at
eternal cairn
I just hope they can expand past that either now or in the future.
nimble anvil
But if they have the same performance as Nvidia for the same price, there's no USP anymore
AMD is great for price/performance
Nvidia is good for top end performance but at a high price
fleet canopy
That might not always be true
If AMD can continue this, they'll have to be able to obliterate the NVIDIA market at one point with good price and performance better than what NVIDIA offers
nimble anvil
Idk, Nvidia is 3x the size of AMD. They have lots of mooneys to make the big cards
fleet canopy
Eh, I don't think that's the case imo
vapid crypt
He has a 2070 Super
nimble anvil
Traitor
How dare you say anything good about any company other than Nvidia
Reported
vapid crypt
Real talk though, since AMD is cultivating a gaming architecture and Nvidia is making due with a compute architecture the game performance will likely favor AMD in the long run
fleet canopy
I have 3700X smh
nimble anvil
Hah, I knew it
nimble anvil
I just feel bad for those that have to choose AMD this gen
vapid crypt
Have to?
nimble anvil
🍞
jade surge
Well, if AMD's top GPU is 10% lower in performance than the 3080 but is roughly $100-$200 cheaper i am okay with that. That just gives AMD time to improve the drivers to maximize the power of the GPU
fleet canopy
You don't know that
It might not suck so bad unlike their last one
We can't just say it'll suck because past experiences somehow prove it
vapid crypt
Nah, we know the RX 5000 problems were mostly hardware related
So here's my thing, worst case this 6000 card is 10% slower than the 3080 at 4k
I want to point that out, cause I think it would only be at 4k
From what we know about Ampere, it only scales really well at 4k. This depreciates as the resolution is lower
So for all we know this RX 6000 card has the 3080's number at 1440p
For reference, the 3080 is 30% faster than the 2080Ti at 4k, but it's like 22-25% faster than the 2080Ti at 1440p
Even lower at 1080, but to be fair that is CPU bound in most cases. It's like 18%
jade ermine
it better suck so i dont have to cancel my 3080 order
fleet canopy
Imagine wishing for an AMD product to suck
vapid crypt
Nah bud you should've waited
Giving AMD the benefit of the doubt if the card they showed today with some tweaking and polished drivers ends up being like 5% slower than the 3080 for $549, we can talk about DLSS and all that software crap after I think AMD will have equivalents to start with though; 3070 and 3080 is basically dead, moreso the 3070 though 
. And that's assuming they go with a smart price point like $549
I could see them going $600 or $649 that would be pretty eh tbh
nimble anvil
AMD gpus are still inferior though
In the case that AMD does polish the drivers, what's to say Nvidia won't do the same too?
vapid crypt
They're always polishing drivers
That goes for both of them
But anyway I'm more so implying since they aren't on a finalized driver yet, where as Nvidia pretty much is already. Nvidia might just push out a driver that increases the gap though, it wouldn't be the first time they've done it.
Shit they might just do that the week of RX 6000 release
The hardware will speak for itself at the end of the day 
jade surge
I think Nvidia has their own hardware\software issues to figure out
eternal cairn
AMD will never gain traction with a price point above $600 if their performance is slower than the 3080. It might seem like a logical price, but AMD still needs to get past the stigma of all the reasons people don't like their cards in the first place. It's more of a matter of getting people to come over and try AMD, and the only way they'll achieve that is by keeping their prices reasonable while still maintaining the relative performance in regards to modern expectations.
jade surge
The playing field may have been leveled this time because Nvidia had a clumsy release
eternal cairn
Maybe, but people are stubborn.
vapid crypt
I agree with both of those statements
jade surge
Well AMD slowly won people over with the Ryzen line. But it definitely helped that Intel kept stepping on their own dick. So, eventually I think AMD will slowly won people over with the gpu's
vapid crypt
Since they're doing so well in the CPU space, it is giving people more of a reason to check out how their graphics cards are doing
No doubt Bulldozer tainted people's perception of Radeon, even if the 290X was a beast of a graphics card when it came out
Though it was a beast thermally as well
jade surge
AMD must be doing something right. Nvidia was scared enough to keep prices lower this time around. I imagine the 30 series prices if they weren't afraid
vapid crypt
So I found out that the Borderlands 3 FPS numbers on the 3080 that people have been comparing the RX 6000 to was running on DX 11, this is kind of important to know since AMD ran their benchmark at DX12
And apparently the 3080 averages 57 FPS at 4k Ultra at DX12 in that game 
Nvidia not doing as well at DX 12 randomly for whatever reason
Oh and if Nvidia wasn't concerned for what AMD had, the 3080 would have been called the 3080Ti, probably had 11 (again) or 12Gb of Vram and cost $1000
fleet canopy
Gross
But close to 1000$ ain't bad
1200$ or more is just ripping people off
It'd have to be really good to have a price that's 1200$ or higher
fleet canopy
Why try buying a card
When you can rob one?
smh
Just find scalper's location and rob him
Take like 2-5 extras for selling at the real MSRP
fleet canopy
proper wren
hmm
https://www.newegg.com/periphio-phantom/p/3D5-0019-00006 this is the sketchiest prebuilt I've seen
quaint wharf
jade surge
@fleet canopy if Nvidia wasn't worried about AMD then they would have put the 3080 around $800-$900 and would have called the 3090 the 3080ti and kept the price the same. I think they were worried this time around. You can see that from the prices alone. I mean i like the prices of the 3080 as much as the next but it makes you wonder why they wouldnt just sell it at roughly the 2080ti price
that thing is fairly old. The mobo has a VGA port on the back
merry bay
they also had to be as close as possible to the console offerings for people on the fence where to invest. "4K gaming" is the main marketing buzz atm
jade surge
4k gaming may be the buzz, But i think the sweet spot for most gamers will be 1440p
merry bay
i really wonder how significant was NVIDIA's desire to "launch" before the consoles to capture some people. Feels like one of the reasons to rush it so much
jade surge
I don't think the consoles had anything to do with it. There are plenty of console gamers that would have rushed to get them. This definitely has the stink of fear. If AMD wasn't releasing a new GPU with the possibility of actually and truly competing then Nvidia would have acted differently. Hell, they delayed the 3070 launch to the day after AMD reveals the 6000 series cards
I mean Nvidia may say differently but let's be honest here. They were just worried. And all the problems they are having with the 3080 cards would never had been anissue if they would have gave the AIB's more time to test their cards and find these issues
Because in the end bad news is till news and as long as they are talking about you they won't be talking about the other guy
merry bay
NVIDIA definitely has a little more insider info than the public, it could be a sign of fear. They also have data on 2000 series sales, and clearly people weren't impressed with the price. This time around there's more serious competition from AMD to go along with it. Would be really shortsighted to try to continue the price-hike.
I think it really was a blend of all the factors we touched on ^^
I'm really happy how AMD is handling marketing this time around. No petty trickery.
Still have to see benchmarks ofc, but it came off as honest for the most part
jade surge
I really hope that AMD does release a a card that puts more competition out there. Competition brings prices down. Case in point, AMD would not have put the new ZEN3 chips at such high prices if they thought that Intel would have been able to compete
True, their launch was WAAAAYYYY better than Intel's Rocket Lake launch where they mentioned AMD way too often
AMD mentioned their competition but only in comparison charts. Majority of the presentation was focused on AMD
But in the end for me, if the Big Navi cards are a on par with the 3080 or even a little slower but the price is $100-$200 cheaper i will definitely consider going with AMD. Although I may wait to see what the drivers look like this time
merry bay
I suspect the little tease of Big Navi at their ZEN3 event involved sandbagging. With a proper reveal on the 28th. Likely they showed the top die card, but not at max clocks. Like a base variant and not an "XT" or something
jade surge
I think we just don't know which card She was holding up. Now, all the buzz is going to be speculating if those numbers they showed were the top die.If it was the top die the numbers are looking good. But, if that is not the Navi 21 die then we can hope for even better numbers
nimble anvil
I think the chances are slim that she'd only show the inferior card and not the top dawg
I mean, that card performs pretty good anyway
For its price
merry bay
Kinda defeats the purpose of having its own event if they show their best offering in the teaser. It was concrete confirmation that it's very close to a 3080 in performance, but remains to be seen if they showed the best they have in store.
jade surge
I am not saying that it's not the top card. But, she will never tell and it definitely is keeping AMD in the mouth of everyone
nimble anvil
I mean, they could have something like the 3090 in store, although I doubt it would be much cheaper than the 3090
If it it like the 3090, it'll please a very niche audience
But we'll see. Maybe they do have something crazy to come
They did pretty great with their CPU unveiling too
jade surge
I don't know. Is it really that far fetched to think they have something to compete with the 3090? I mean at one time no one even thought they would even be able to beat out 2080ti performance.
I think that AMD is going to surprise us with the GPU but if they don't no harm, no foul
nimble anvil
True. I hope they do have something great in store, although I'll keep my expectations low so I'm not disappointed if not. If they do have something great in store, I may go with AMD with my new build
I hope they have stock though, unlike Nvidia
If they have high stock on those new GPUs, they will be able to take so many Nvidia customers
With close to 3080 performance, lower price and high stock, they could really do well
jade surge
Now while i wait I have to work on building an HTPC
plus my wife has been hinting at a pink case
nimble anvil
Make it brown and beige
vapid crypt
So from what I've been hearing, everything points to AMD having ample stock
Though it's a matter of having security in place and mitigate bots and what not too
It's kind of a toss up though in terms of demand
We don't know how sought after the Radeon cards will be, with so many people not being able to get Nvidia's offerings say half of them even consider AMD. I guess it depends on how available the 3070 ends up being.
Oh and regarding whether or not the card they teased is the top card, I don't think it is.
We know there is a "Navi 21 XTX" die that the partners didn't even know about
I think the one teased is the 72CU card or something, the XTX will be the top 80CU model. Though naturally I might be totally wrong
I will say this, and while it's not surprising because I don't think anyone truly was impressed; but Radeon was not impressed with the 3090's performance
I don't know if that means they have something close or similar, it could; but it could also be because its price is so inflated that the extra performance you're getting is just not worth it possibly
And that doesn't impress them at all you know
jade surge
Last i heard was that Nvidia had maybe 20,000 3080's for launch worldwide. If that is so then they definitely were scared and just wanted to get out first. As long as AMD has more than thAT then we should be good. As far as scalpers and bots go, that is an unknown vector and could destroy all. But I think AMD might have been producing the chips and cards for a bit so hopefully all is better. Hopefully it can't be worse than nvidias launch
fleet canopy
I still wonder why companies continue to invest into 4K honestly
vapid crypt
Nvidia started production in August is what I've been hearing
fleet canopy
Like, I get it with how the public think 4K is cool and all but continuing to make the same 4K TV with no real difference because honestly, no one can really game past 60Hz
Only as far as 60FPS as for what we may know
vapid crypt
The cards are powerful enough to push enough frames at 4k
So they gotta push it for the enthusiasts interested in increasing resolution
It's why Nvidia is pushing so called 8k
Cause with DLSS they can do it
BEEEEG NUMBAH sells most importantly
I already see that being a fanboy talking point actually "BUT AMD CAN'T DO 8K LOL"
fleet canopy
Yeah, but do we care?
I just kind of feel that with how the 4K market is like, they mostly leave out 1440p
vapid crypt
They're not leaving it out, merely using 4k as a performance metric
Like the RX card pushing 60 - 90FPS at 4k says a lot for how powerful it is
fleet canopy
90FPS?
vapid crypt
Well the Modern Warfare number we got was 88
That's not really a good benchmark though, cause fps varies depending on the map and stuff
vapid crypt
If a Ps4 pro can run Raytraced Crysis then an RX 6000 card can too
nimble anvil
1440p ultrawide is my fave
The difference between 1440p and 4k seems miniscule when you're actually focused on playing a game
But 4k does look really good when using a PC for regular activities
jade surge
If Nvidia was in production since August, then that might be an idea of how crappy Sansumg 8nm node truly is
fleet canopy
Or it just shows they slack in actual production
jade surge
well neither can Nvidia. they were just doing 4k upscaling. They werent doing true 8k
jade surge
But the media and fanboys ate it up
hell, Nvidia sold a card for 110 percent higher than the 3080 in price and people didnt really care
watch, if AMD releases the new GPU's and it goes tits up then the critics will slam them hardcore. But, Nvidia screwed the pooch and people were like meh
restive garnet
I wouldnt exactly say they screwed the pooch
Just that its certainly been a rocky launch
clear quartz
if the RX6000 showed cased turns to be the low entry GPU then Nvidea is fucked
restive garnet
Not familiar with that case, but it definitely seems a bit more showcase oriented
clear quartz
lloks like a mini fridge
fleet canopy
It'd be impossible for the low entry GPU to have hit 60FPS 4K
jade surge
oh the pooch was screwed
clear quartz
It'd be impossible for the low entry GPU to have hit 60FPS 4K
@fleet canopy we wont know till the tell us
jade surge
it's been about a month since launch and it is still next to impossible to get a 3080
fleet canopy
Don't try to make that crazy assumption
clear quartz
im not overhyping, just speculating
restive garnet
You can get them over here piece of piss
fleet canopy
It's a bad speculation then
jade surge
if the Radeon card can do great at 1440p and the price is good i will be happy with it
restive garnet
Our shops are getting new stock every week, and are expecting a bulk batch in half way through next month
jade surge
and what shops is that
restive garnet
Playtech, computer lounge, pbtech
They still dont have existing stock, but if you order, most of them ship within 2 weeks
clear quartz
do you do your own benchmarks and product testing?
restive garnet
If i can be bothered
fleet canopy
It's always nice to do a quickbenchmark yourself, see how much performance you gained compared to previous GPU/PC part
restive garnet
I generally only do it if im doing some custom work and want it to meet certain standards
fleet canopy
And yeah
There was a small update to DLSS 2.0 ( now 2.1 I guess ) to allow that sort of upscaling so 3090 marketing 8k hahaha
But even then the benchmarks were UTTER shit
restive garnet
Or just to check if its above average silicon
jade surge
so back to my original statement, it is still hard as hell to get a 3080 card. I have to monitors the sites just to hope i get them at the right time
fleet canopy
Sure, you got like 30FPS or whatever
vapid crypt
Oh and uh I doubt the RX 6000 card was lower cut down Navi 21
fleet canopy
But the lows were the unimpressive part of it all
vapid crypt
If it was cutdown it's probably the 72CU one, I do think Nvidia excels at 4k
fleet canopy
Even then with the RTX cards, it's shitting rn
clear quartz
i doubt it be the entry one too but my curiosity is picked
fleet canopy
You might be lucky if there is a giveaway however
fleet canopy
Navi 22 was the 6700XT?
jade surge
at this point it's all speculation and hope when it comes to what card she was showing the stats for
vapid crypt
Most likely the 6700
fleet canopy
I guess, yeah
vapid crypt
40CUs
restive garnet
Im definitely enjoyjng watching shops squirm with their rtx 2000 cards
The past month has just been alternating sales and price drops
Theyve dropped to nearly half price now, and id wager there is still a bit to go
vapid crypt
Prices haven't changed at all on E-tailers
Or they're even inflated because there's probably not much left of a specific model probably?
They did end production awhile back for most of the lineup
vapid crypt
Allegedly AMD is negotiating to buy Xilinx for 30B
Um I don't know much about them, but I heard they're responsible for making the G-sync module among other things
fleet canopy
Yeah, they'll probably use Xilinx to create something better than freesync/gsync or improve their own freesync tech
vapid crypt
They do more than just make modules for monitors, they make stuff for cars and stuff like that too.
rich pivot
Dude
I put a fan in a very stupid position in my case, just for the aesthetics
And now it's making one of the most obnoxious clicking sounds
problem is that the fan is hidden away by the back panel with shit tons of cables
vapid crypt
Shit ton of cables? Maybe the fan is making contact with the cables
restive garnet
tfw cant find a seagate barracuda over 6tb in nz
clear quartz
F
eternal cairn
It looks like AMD is undoubtedly beating Intel now.
vapid crypt
Imo they were beating them last year with the Zen 2 release already, Intel literally only had the game performance and I guess quick-sync in certain tasks?
Now it's no question, hence the higher prices with Zen 3
rich pivot
@vapid crypt does that sound like cables?(careful, ears)
vapid crypt
What?
rich pivot
the fan
is not attached to anything
it's in a tight 120mm space, designed for the ssds
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
What case are you using? Like an OEM case or something, like from HP or Lenovo whatever
rich pivot
fleet canopy
Pink
rich pivot
fleet canopy
Bleh
rich pivot
one of my led lines broke, so now unless I have this color, it's fucked
fleet canopy
Haha
vapid crypt
That's actually the color I'm using
rich pivot
vapid crypt
By choice though
rich pivot
not like I'm against it or anything
vapid crypt
So you just added that fan there for the hell of it?
rich pivot
😂 😭 yes
fleet canopy
Laughing tears emoji crying emoji yes
rich pivot
it describes my relationship to this fan
I had to use pliers to bend metal that was designed to hold an ssd bracket
vapid crypt
Well that noise suggests a loose bearing, assuming it's using ball bearings. Basically it's where the fan spins
rich pivot
to do this
yep aware, I'm very unsure on how I should attach it to metal
I don't have anything that long to screw
I'm not even sure if the screws would align anyway
vapid crypt
Use zip ties
rich pivot
omg
vapid crypt
They just need to be thin enough to fit through the holes
rich pivot
but how am I gonna loop em?
vapid crypt
I had to mount my intake fans with zip ties cause it didn't have appropriate screw holes for 140mm
Well that's the challenge
rich pivot
zip ties do be saving days sometimes
man right now is really not the time to be doing computer maintenance
vapid crypt
Fortunately my power supply came with a bunch
rich pivot
I changed thermopaste on my 1080ti twice
wait no 3 times
oh no
I'm a dumbass
Will the fan damage itself if it will keep geting slowed down by the metal?
not the plastic, but the actual coil
vapid crypt
Probably I would think that can't be healthy for the longevity of the fan
rich pivot
oh my
the zip tie might actually work
Rip it wont
@vapid crypt zip tie worked
I use a zip tie to make a hex just a little bit higher to pinch the fan 😂
vapid crypt
Amazing, now take some compressed air to all that dust
fleet canopy
: (
rich pivot
Next time I build a pc
I'm gonna seal it in a closet
So I don't have to care how it looks
Fuck I might literally just leave it without a case
nimble anvil
Close your eyes and blow
Is what the man in the dark alleyway said to me
But it works when cleaning the dust off your PC too
rich pivot
oh my god
fleet canopy
PS5 teardown if anyone really cares idfk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaAY-jAjm0w
vapid crypt
Don't do that to your computer, the temps and loss of performance just imagining it makes me sad 
fleet canopy
Just get a basic looking but good performance case then lol
Or do it like the one guy on LTT who wanted a whole lot of minimalistic
Not too bad of an idea really
nimble anvil
Hmm what am I looking at? Can you put some arrows in there, please?
rich pivot
Better?
night cairn
So they made a velka 7 🤔
fleet canopy
I think it's Genshin Impact judging by the little guy
And by what the server's interest in games are/were
Fucking horrible specs requirement
nimble anvil
At least I can see what you're talking about now you added the arrows
fleet canopy
It's actually the new Binding of Isaac DLC coming up apparently
Which makes sense
lole
vapid crypt
There's going to be a new binding of isaac DLC?
Why am I now just hearing about this
Looks good, kinda reminds me of the fan expansion Antibirth actually
Actually yeah one of the bosses shown in the screenshots is literally from Antibirth
vapid crypt
I've never heard of that one
nimble anvil
It was decent. Quite a lot of content
vapid crypt
Did you mean Afterbirth or is that actually a mod?
vapid crypt
Fanboys are pretty dumb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWM7l94sZ5s If you want to watch the video
fleet canopy
Lemme guess
It's reviewed by GN
No
Damn his background looking like Sean's background now
All he needs is a whiteboard with "Positive Attitude" or somethin
vapid crypt
It's literally just a speculation video, no review at all
That guy that replied to me is mental, I think he's copy pasting that reply with minor changes on every related video
fleet canopy
I mean, you review the leaks and possible specs
Lmao
Don't think the dude's got a life
Or is under the age of 18
vapid crypt
Like he called me numbnuts and someone else in the same comment section a douchebag
That's probably the only change in the comment actually
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
Lol he replied
20 - 25% faster than a 2080Ti at 4k is barely beating it apparently
fleet canopy
l o l e r
And it's a highlighted reply too
Love it
How much does a 2080 Ti do on 4K again?
fleet canopy
Latest WAN show, basically Linus and Luke discussion recent tech news
This one is about Zen 3
Including other topics
jade surge
isounds like he has a magical big navi card
vapid crypt
Well like I said, based on the numbers AMD shown the card is at least 20% faster than the 2080Ti
He's downplaying the performance and probably comparing it to overclocked 2080Ti numbers
(Which also largely closes the gap between it and the 3080)
It said highlighted reply since that was my notification pretty much
jade surge
I wishj I knew where that was. Kid sounds like he sucks on the tit of Nvidia
if AMD's new card is truly 20 percent faster than the 2080ti then that is a HUGE improvement over their last card which was the 5700xt
HE IS A TAARD
vapid crypt
Usual Fanboy downplaying nonsense, I've been seeing it constantly. Like people downplaying the 5700XT which is close enough to the 1080Ti on average, yet you have people constantly talking about how "their" 1080Ti is faster
Which I mean sure, with the extra bandwidth and memory it's gonna be faster at a bunch of things, but in gaming the lead is marginal. And obviously they're talking about overclocked 1080Tis at that, so it's all dumb
jade surge
AND THE 5700XT's performance vastly improved as the Drivers improved
clear quartz
that's hands-down some tier response
void perch
alright let's move on from mocking at people
abstract kite
So how likely is it that AMD seen the shit fest happen with Nvidia and price scalpers?
vapid crypt
Well it's been covered constantly, so 100% likely
abstract kite
Do you think they'll do anything?
vapid crypt
The best they can do is have more stock, which from what I understand they definitely will; and ensure secure transactions
They probably can't do much with websites glitching out though because of traffic
abstract kite
Do a power move and release faulty hardware ahead of the good stuff
vapid crypt
Unless their servers are really good, which they are known for great server chips so I dunno
Oh like Nvidia
abstract kite
Lel
vapid crypt
Yeah that's a great Idea I heard people loved that
abstract kite
Can't tell if that's sarcasm 
vapid crypt
I don't like sarcasm but I can't help it sometimes
nimble anvil
The new AMD gpus are great if you're on a budget
lilac geyser
did they reveal the price and performance?
lilac geyser
then how does monkey know that
vapid crypt
It's the usual AMD meme since they always tend to offer the best price/performance but lacking certain features or whatever.
Though that's a more nuanced take, it's more along the lines of "NVIDIA IS FASTER AND MORE EXPENSIVE THEREFORE AMD IS FOR POOR PEOPLE LOL!"
fleet canopy
Haha nvidia and intel is better!!!
dense wasp
so I've been underground for a while,
What's our thoughts around Ryzen5000?
fleet canopy
best gaming 1!!
dense wasp
I even missed the announcement
fleet canopy
Ryzen 5000 is mostly for gaming focused improvements
dense wasp
I've been neck deep in work..;o
fleet canopy
I believe you can still find a video of AMD's Ryzen 5000 keynote Ludbug
They also included a lil Radeon 6000 thingy
Radeon 6000 keynote is to be 28th of this month
dense wasp
Yeah I'll just watch some youtubes about it, I saw linus had his up, and I guess Gamers nexus and Jay also has theirs up so I have some catching up to do
dense wasp
5th right?
fleet canopy
5th I think?
dense wasp
yeah
vapid crypt
They haven't, but I would guess no later than the week after Ryzen launches
Give the reviewers a week to work on it, they kinda went hard last year by having a CPU and GPU launch simultaneously
dense wasp
which one of the new CPU's seems like the charm? thinking about letting my 3950 do builder-work instead 😉
nimble anvil
Nah, AMDs price will be better because it's slightly inferior to the 3080
I said something about 8k?
8k is barely viable with a 3090
vapid crypt
There are still unknowns about the AMD GPU that was teased, is it their best? How will it perform at 1440p? It's a completely different architecture from Ampere, what we know from Ampere is it scales great at 4k, but at lower resolution the scaling isn't as great (25 - 30% faster at 4k vs 2080 Ti, 20 - 25% faster at 1440p vs 2080Ti)
If the Radeon card is consistent, it might be matching the 3080 1:1 at 1440p
But that's all speculation
nimble anvil
Possibly. But we'll have to wait and see
The new card design looks quite retro
Quite nice tbh
vapid crypt
Not really sure what you mean actually, to me it has that red-line gamer look
It's like they took the color scheme from a Dodge Challenger and slapped it on there
jade surge
@nimble anvil the new AMD GPU will be for more than just budget builds. If the numbers are good it might be enough to make people change teams
nimble anvil
Well, an upper end budget build I mean
jade surge
@fleet canopy ryan 5000 is not mostly for gaming. Yes it's true the gaming performance has improved but the card has improved all around. In the end AMD beats out Intel in all categories
@dense wasp the 5900 looks like it may be the sweet spot
vapid crypt
Since they inflated the price of the 8 core, I agree the 5900X looks to be the best value chip
vapid crypt
Nice00XT
fleet canopy
My mistake
dense wasp
A 5950x with a 3090 tho 😉
vapid crypt
$2300 on two parts alone 
dense wasp
For science..?
eternal cairn
Me either. In all honesty, 4 GHz is probably the recommended minimum anyone will need for gaming.
vapid crypt
Most of the recent CPUs are boosting passed that now as it is, but yeah that's a fair assessment
jade surge
hell yeah, that's why i bought the Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition for 1k
vapid crypt
With how slow CPUs progressed in a decade, that seems like decent value tbh
Now you have more way more cores for less than that, so that's pretty amazing as it is
nimble anvil
Wait, AMDs GPU is powering NASA? Lol, they gonna crash
Slow CPU progress? Bro, we're getting a good 1% increase in performance every 2 years. We can't keep up with that level of innovation
Yeah CPU progression does seem incredibly slow compared to GPU progress
fallow goblet
Yo if i eventually upgrade my graphics card is it worth it to do SLI/ Crossfire?
For gaming in general, will it make my graphics power last longer?
merry bay
SLI/Crossfire support has been on a sharp decline. It was pretty much always buggy and the scaling for investing 2x was pretty poor.
NVIDIA pretty much gave up on SLI at this point. https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5082
For GeForce RTX 3090 and future SLI-capable GPUs, SLI will only be supported when implemented natively within the game.
fallow goblet
Yea but theoretically it would work right?
merry bay
For games it's way better value to go for a higher tier GPU in the vast majority of cases
merry bay
- less headaches and troubleshooting when things get wonky due to lack of support
fallow goblet
Yea
Dang i thought it would be a money saver to have 2 gpus instead of buying another one the next time i needed it
Thanks tho @merry bay
jade surge
@fallow goblet(gavel squire) SLI is dead and who knows much about Xfire.
fallow goblet
I mean i was just tryna see if i could keep my graphics running longer
I have a 2070 super so i should be fine for a while so
jade surge
if you get say a 3080 today, that card will last for awhile. I mean the 2080ti is still going strong
fallow goblet
Yea im not in the mood to pay more money
vapid crypt
You can't even SLI most cards anymore, they disabled that in everything but the 3090
fallow goblet
The 2070 super should be good for a while
Damn thwy should actually make it good
They probs wont tho cuz then people buy more video cards
Capitalism
jade surge
so now if we want SLI the game developers have to add it in to the game
my 1660 will be good for awhile
jade ermine
@jade surge My man
jade surge
@jade ermine With this board I take on the world
jade surge
I still have it. I used it up until January 2020 with dual HD5870 cards
jade ermine
It was good work horse, Had mine at 4.4Ghz for years and years
lol
Motherboard failed so it had to go
jade surge
I played many a game at ultra for a long time
my motherboard still runs
I had to take apart the GPU's and clean and use liquid metal and they ran pretty nicely
I think I am gonna go a custom hardline loop on my next build
what case did you use. Kinda looks like a Coolermaster HAF case
jade ermine
First one was Haf912, Then got Shinobi XL and now im using 570X from Corsair
Soft EPDM tubing is the way to go unless you love RGB
jade ermine
Arctic AIO nice
jade ermine
Looks good
void perch
Ooh that's nice
jade ermine
jade surge
I really like the Arctic AIO. It's got great cooling. Allowed me to keep my R5 1600AF at 4.2 GHz. It stays cool at 31 C and at load only hits 65 C
Thats nice Unlucky
jade surge
I could have gotten one from Best Buy but I wanted to wait for AMD. I am holding on to the faith of them restoring their GPU honor
jade ermine
Ordered on release date and still going to see how AMD's card will be before getting it haha
Yea would be fun owning Ayymd flagship again
but muh cyberpunk and RT
jade surge
I know I still remember the HD 5970
vapid crypt
Hot take, but Cyberpunk doesn't look that great
Kind of a cherry picked comparison, but I think it holds water
old patrol
Thats what smoking dose to you kids
vapid crypt
I legit think having to develop for RTX made them reduce the model quality to ensure decent performance
Give n take, I guess you still get pretty lights
night cairn
Got a feeling Cyberpunk 2070 ain't going to be too hot.
vapid crypt
I'm sure the game is great, it's just not looking so hot under the hood without the flashy eye candy
jade surge
I mean I am sure it will look decent, hopefully it has a solid storyline
for me, I don't care if the main character is male or female as long as there is strong story and character progressiuon
eternal cairn
I hope there's a variety of character customization.
But seriously though, if they're actually taking performance hits, that shouldn't be a reason to reduce the model quality (unless it was never that good to begin with).
jade surge
makes you wonder
bright shard
v has come to
jade surge
this game is gonna fall to the gutters cause they released too soon. I myself can take lower quality as long as their is a solid storyline
give the player a reason to want to keep playing
eternal cairn
"Too soon"? The game was supposed to release in Spring of this year. LOL
jade surge
By too soon I mean the game isnt polished enough
but if they keep delaying then people lose interest real fast. so damned if you do, damned if you don't
eternal cairn
If they were supposed to release it in Spring, then delayed it, they could have only been polishing it.
jade surge
but it looks as if they have a bit to go
vapid crypt
They have too much character customization, it's confirmed that you can customize your genitalia
jade surge
now thats intriguing
vapid crypt
Is it? It's something I can do without personally
jade surge
true. but it is still interesting
vapid crypt
A first for everything, and CDPR is willing to do it so I can respect that
vapid crypt
You could customize your horse's penis?
fleet canopy
Maybe not, but it could shrink in cold areas
honest sparrow
too much character customization
not possible
fleet canopy
The only time there's too much character customization is if you can customize literally 100% of it
Internal organs, what the body is ( where body parts go ), etc.
Anyways I'm ready to create my Crotch AKM
Just gotta wait for the game release, heard it's coming out July 7th, 2077
2077/7/7
eternal cairn
They should have done a 7/7 release date.
eternal cairn
My Discord is fucked. LOL
It's showing more than half the people on the user list have no roles.
eternal cairn
restive garnet
Considering the gameplay demo was done on an i7 8700k and a 1080ti, but the listed requirements are much lower, it could be that they decided to do a bit of a performance tradeoff to make the game a bit more accessible
Same time, every other bit of gameplay ive seen looks fantastic, so idk
bright shard
Just hope for some great optimization for r4 but im not holding my breath
fleet canopy
u
livid breach
u
clear quartz
thats a discord bug
dense wasp
my next build will most likely be a no RGB matt black build,
what chassi should I pick?
looking mostly at Fractal Design Define c, or a NZXT H510
muted relic
Bet none of y’all can list me the best cheapest build using a Ryzen 7 CPU
abstract kite
Cheapest build is one you can do yourself.
restive garnet
y'know, normal people just ask for the cheapest build using a ryzen 7
also, you would probably need to be more specific, otherwise im just gunna slap a ryzen 7 1700 in a cardboard box with a copy of windows installed on a usb and call it a day
restive garnet
as for ludvig, if you arent doing rgb, do you still want a side window? and what form factor do you wanna do?
dense wasp
Most likely atx, and I’m not sure about the side panel, the thing with the fractal chassis are their padded noise suppression, which Ive always liked.
But showing a neat computer is fun, hence I’m thinking about the nzxt, with cable mods an all etc
abstract kite
also, you would probably need to be more specific, otherwise im just gunna slap a ryzen 7 1700 in a cardboard box with a copy of windows installed on a usb and call it a day
@restive garnet
you'll also need a mobo to run the R7 1700
jade surge
when you say cheapest do you have a price in mind for a price point or what you want to do with the system
lilac geyser
void perch
lol
dense wasp
The 011 is a great locking chassi, would be my go to for a water build, but for a clean air build is feels so .. clunky?
abstract kite
I would like to get a new Xbox Series X, gut it and put a form factor PC in it.
I like the case a lot
vapid crypt
I'm sorry, it's dead Jim
nimble anvil
I have some WD40
fleet canopy
Spray it with water
eternal cairn
My god. What an eyesore.
restive garnet
tbh, i dont like the look of the O11 chassis
dense wasp
That’s one cursed image
restive garnet
im not a fan of the NZXT esque minimalistic design
which is what led me to getting a corsair 680x
however, i do respect the living shit out of the O11
especially given the front mounted distro plates
pine lion
@dense wasp air cooling does fine on the O11, paired with the right fans it's a good combo in my op
dense wasp
I mean, I’ll note it down as a candidate, might be a bit to thicc tho 🙂
vapid crypt
I might get the Antec p120 crystal AKA scuffed O11 with top mounted power supply
jade surge
you should cvheck out this case
Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh Edition
Priced very reasonably and is very quiet
vapid crypt
Say that seems like pretty good value
jade surge
It's what I use right now
stark plover
Not really sure how to explain it but whenever I'm moving my screen around fast in any game, the monitor kinda has a purple afterimage effect of items on the screen. Like in DayZ, moving screen fast in a building shows a slight purple afterimage of where items are and stuff
I don't know why though if anyone can help out 😭
Kinda like a 3d effect filter on my screen when moving
fleet canopy
Kind of seemed like really bad monitor ghosting, but looking it up, it could be a possible GPU problem. Try to update graphic drivers if you can
If you have a second monitor that's good, try it on that and see if it isn't happening cause I feel like that's a monitor problem
fleet canopy
Guy fixes a Mac touchbar that is "running ridiculously slow"
I want to hope he rages from trying to fix it because thumbnail shows it
fleet canopy
Yeah no, he yeets an alcohol dispenser because it doesn't dispense alcohol
dense wasp
corsair 400d also looks pretty sweet
proper wren
https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_1937&item_id=175083 Lianli lancool II mesh is good as well
dense wasp
that link did not send me to a chassi
proper wren
rip
dense wasp
indeed!
proper wren
My next build might be Fractal Design 7 Compact
dense wasp
theyre really nice
we've used fractal on all our builds internally 🙂
great quality.
On top of that, really nice guys!
proper wren
rarely has any issues
dense wasp
fellow Swedes
proper wren
only time I seen one issue is the older models where the pcie slots touched the motherboard and fried it
4 980tis died as well lol
dense wasp
ouch
proper wren
vapid crypt
Ah this takes me back to the days of the cheap athlon quad cores that you can get for $80
night cairn
I still got a 970 from 2014
vapid crypt
Maxwell is one of the best architectures
lilac geyser
interesting if 3300x has been out of stock this long as they say
intentional or supply chain issues?
vapid crypt
Who knows, the 3100 is easy enough to find. It's likely a similar issue to the 3080 where there's more demand than supply
I would hope for more availability post Zen 3 launch, obviously they're keeping the silicon for Zen 3 and RDNA 2 as it is
lilac geyser
I was kind of thinking that a lower end Zen 3 would be announced soon
vapid crypt
I doubt it, I think that's what Zen 2 Ryzen 3s were for. We'll know for sure if it's easy to get a 3300X post Zen 3 launch anyway
Like part of me thinks 3080 supply will suddenly be more plentiful after the RDNA 2 announcement, or launch
Everyone saying there will be shortages until next year, and while that's possible I don't fully believe it
merry bay
Wasn't it NVIDIA themselves who said to expect shortages until next year?
vapid crypt
I don't know actually, I've just heard that statement parroted. Don't even know if it was Nvidia that originally said that
merry bay
some AIB's definitely drip into retailers every now and then, but in like 2-5 batches
vapid crypt
The only thing I know that's official is the 3070 being delayed for having more supply, but I also doubt an extra 2 weeks would benefit very much
merry bay
I wonder how much of that is really for supply and how much is just making sure the things they sent out arrive on time for release
with how high in demand those cards are still in, I don't expect stock to catch up anytime soon. Unless they get sudden big batches(also unlikely)
and that's just 1 retailer in 1 EU country 
vapid crypt
They're going to have 200 3070s potentially
Talk about anemic stock
Technically yeah, but I'm counting what's "on the way" allegedly
They've only received 10% of that
Like holy shit they intend to have at least 2000? I don't want to add that up right now
But to think they'll only have 10% of that, and they've only received 10% of what's shipped already
They literally only have 1% of what they've ordered
jade surge
I think this is definitely a self inflicted wound for Nvidia. I mean, I am sure that they knew that there would be a high demand for their cards but what they didnt expect was low yields from Samsung or the scalpers/bots
vapid crypt
I'm sure they expected bad yields from Samsung
I heard a random rumor about them launching refreshes on TSMC
So yeah people bout to get burned
The MSRP is 499
So expect most of the AIB cards to be 30 to 50 more
jade surge
OOH, that would be a perfect price point for AMD to make a statement for the RX cards
vapid crypt
Actually having stock?
jade surge
well that will definitely help as well
sucks if I want a 30series Founders card i have to go through Best Buy
good for best buy
jade surge
Oh it's an Nvidia store thing but according to the article 3080 & 3090 FE will be exclusive to Best Buy
vapid crypt
"We don't want to be responsible for having to sell our scarce stock product, so you can blame Best Buy for all your problems if you can't get one."
wise pumice
always blame Best Buy
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
If anyone's really trying to get a 3070 or 3080 FE model at MSRP just get on Best Buy on the 29th maybe you'll be lucky
jade surge
I can see this biting Nvidia in the ass in the long run. The mishandling of the whole 30series launch and all the issues with the cards/drivers may just put a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths to where AMD can take back some market share. But that's if they don't screw the pooch
vapid crypt
This might end up being a blip in Nvidia history, no one will care about it once Ampere gets a refresh or something and is actually available
jade surge
You are right. Crazy thing is no one slam or criticize Nvidia like AMD has been in the past
vapid crypt
Not no one, but absolutely the normie users and fanboys won't care ultimately
jade surge
I am a fan of price/performance(Although I always rooted for the Underdog)
my allegiance lies with no one
vapid crypt
I don't know if you've heard of AdoredTV, that guy pretty much went through the history of Nvidia and called out all their nonsense. He also analyzed the history of Nvidia's architectures
jade surge
I saw the video for that
it was really interesting when you see all the generations laid out and compared
vapid crypt
Well it's multiple videos really, his most recent one mainly covered ampere and comparisons back to Fermi
He has a history of Nvidia series for detail from the beginning pretty much
Along with the history of their dubious actions
jade surge
I know that when Radeon put forth competition for Nvidia the generational improvements were better. Now since generation after generation were let downs Nvidia was free to name whatever price they wanted and people paid them
vapid crypt
The 1080Ti was the last time they were really trying
They bought into the Vega hype, for better or worse
jade surge
a lot of people bought in to the Vega hype and the Radeon VII hype and it did not pan out
vapid crypt
Eh I doubt there was a ton of hype for the Radeon VII since it was just Vega on a node shrink
jade surge
well with Pascal to Touring the improvement was lackluster. You saw this by how many 10 series cards were still in play. But to be fair Touring was definitely a risk that panned out for Nvidia
thats true about Radeon VII
vapid crypt
Pascal was Maxwell on Steroids, so it was going to be hard to beat anyway
jade surge
Ampere had the ability to be game changing an industry leading if it would have been released properly and not rushed
Nvidia took a risk with Raytracing and it worked. Although, more people peobably would have switched to the 20series from 10 series if the prices were not so damn high
jade surge
well their top end card is not worth the 1500 they sell it for
fleet canopy
Any top end card over 1000$ is not worth it imo
It generally veers towards very bad price for performance
Yeah
800$ is alright, just matters how much performance it'll be
Over 1000$ fuck no
jade surge
but the performance bump from the 3080 doesnt even make sense
only thing the 3090 is good for is content creators. the 48GB of RAM will be helpful to them
next epoch
people will still buy it just not average people
jade surge
your right
699 is definitely a good price point for the 3080
I just hope that AMD will put the card that competes with the 3080 at a price point under the 3080 to help lure people back to the red side
I wish the 3080 scaled with 1440p better than it does cause 4k is still a little pricey. But should I really skimp on the monitors if i decide to build a 4k powerhouse
fleet canopy
I wonder how the 3080 doesn't scale so well in 1440p
jade surge
well, regardless of it all i am excited because not very often do we have so many new tech products coming out around the same home
time
vapid crypt
The card uses the most of its shaders at 4k, so it's getting the biggest uplift at that resolution
like at 1080p you're looking at less than 20% difference, partially cause it might be CPU limited but it's also just not pushing the GPU very much there, 1440p is largely in the middle but you're still getting over 20% performance uplift
jade surge
maybe we can have both companies sharing the area. AMD is 1440p kings and Nvidia can have the 4k group
vapid crypt
That's what I think is going to happen
AMD intends to have something competitive at 4k, in this case close enough for less money; but most likely matching or out performing at 1440p
jade ermine
15 days for chungus navi reveal
vapid crypt
Cause going by the numbers they showed they at least have a card that's 20 - 25% faster than 2080Ti
At 4k
If that's consistent at 1440p
Then it's matching the 3080 there
jade surge
all I know is that IF the numbers they showed us at the ZEN3 event are as good as that for real then we may have a David and Goliath situation. I can always hope that they return back to the HD5970 days where they were on top
jade surge
IF the numbers they showed us was the 72CU card then it's possible the 80cu chip might beat out the 3080 and IF it does that it will compete against the 3090
vapid crypt
An 80CU card would have 11% more shaders
Assuming they push clocks on the higher card, say its like 200Mhz higher; they might have to power limit the lower card but it would be around 15%+ faster
Though that's assuming the cards scale that well, which tbh I think they prove it does with RDNA 1
Hmmm, yeah the 5700XT also has 11% more shaders than the 5700; and that's a 15% difference as it is
jade surge
well, we can speculate until we are blue in the face or we can just watch the info slowly come out the closer we get
jade surge
@jade ermine don't hate on Big Navi. It might be better than we all think. Or it could be terrible
merry bay
Big Navi is definitely something to watch for 1440p performance, especially given how Ampere's gains aren't as impressive outside 4K. Very curious how the benchmarks will look like.
jade surge
Maybe Navi's 4k performance will be good as well
I am curious to see how AMD will handle DLSS and Ray tracing
abstract kite
Didn't we already see big Navi?
merry bay
Super low info tease benchmark in 3 games. Unclear if its their best offering either.
fleet canopy
No @abstract kite
Navi keynote is going to be in this month 25th or 28th
the last one was only their Zen 3 keynote
Sure, there was Big Navi but it was only a little teaser and nothing more
I hope it does really well against NVIDIA, especially in 1440p since AMD can rival on that
abstract kite
So what was on the 8th then?
jade surge
The 8th was just the ZEN3 reveal
if you would have watched it you would have seen that
they gave a 90 second tease of Big Navi
we will have the Big Navi reveal on the 28th
abstract kite
if you would have watched it you would have seen that
@jade surge Did watch it.
jade surge
So if you watched it you already know what it was
They showed us a card and said it was big navi and gave us some benchmarks. What we dont know is which card it was and which the benchmarks belonged ro
eternal cairn
That is, unless the scalpers get to them first. In which case, it'll probably be more like 2 or 3 months.
abstract kite
So if you watched it you already know what it was
@jade surge No and stop assuming I am going to pay the closest attention to the smallest detail. Thank you.
fleet canopy
Nah, AMD probably will be able to just not get those shits on their GPUs
jade ermine
@fleet canopy 5th. Availability will be shit im sure.
fleet canopy
Lol probably
NVIDIA's gonna drop a huge ass shipment soonish apparently
Pretty big, ngl
jade ermine
So thats why FE cards sell out so fast
fleet canopy
Yes
jade surge
let's give AMD a chance. Past releases have been good. Hopefully their is availability
I mean the 7nm process from TSMC has higher yields so let's hope for the best
vapid crypt
There's an alleged R5 5600 coming out next quarter for $219 so that sounds pretty good
Oh and apparently the 5600X is out performing the 10700 so that's pretty fun
Not the K sku, but that's fair considering it's down 2 cores
nimble anvil
I'm really curious to see the benchmarks
Might go with the 5800x or 5900x if they can beat a 5.2ghz 10700k
vapid crypt
Well if the 4.6Ghz boost on the 5600X is edging out the 4.8Ghz boost on the 10700, then there's a good chance that it's at least even
They have like, what 30% more IPC?
Over Intel that is
nimble anvil
Yeah, plus with the price of them, I'd hope they do.
vapid crypt
I still kinda think the 10700K while it's on sale atm is still a better buy
I mean compared to the 5800X
10900K you can't even find for MSRP so that's shit
It's like $600 or more from what I've seen
nimble anvil
Yeah, the 10700k is really tempting. Although I'll wait for those benchmarks to be safe
Yeah, for some reason the 10900k stock is pretty low so the price is always above msrp when I see it on sale
vapid crypt
I mean even if it's slower, It won't be that much slower to justify the higher price on the 5800X. That's my opinion anyway
That's what I thought of Zen in general even if it was losing out at game performance, cause the difference really wasn't that big especially when you aren't CPU bound in games
nimble anvil
Yeah. I can imagine for workstations the 5800x will be far superior. Although I'll just be gaming so that's what matters most to me
vapid crypt
So personally if I didn't already have a pc, right now I would get on AM4. A 3600 for 199 or less is a great performer. It's good enough for gaming as it is, and at 1440p the difference is marginal compared to faster gaming CPUs. Zen 3 is the last generation to support the socket, and the 500 Chipset is the last one apparently. So if need be, I could easily upgrade to an 8 core or better and the price will be lower within a year.
Or longer, honestly it might age about as well as the 2500K did
worthy swallow
bruh explorer windows keeps crashing and i have to restart it with cmd everytime when i try editing files
any help?
abstract kite
You are using Internet Explorer?
vapid crypt
I don't think the 5900X is the obvious choice, it's two 6 core CCXs. Yeah on paper it is really good, but you are getting two loser CCXs technically. Basically better binned 5600Xs put together
fleet canopy
Ryzen 9 6900X + Radeon 6900XT when???
vapid crypt
Probably 2022
The 12 core looks the best price wise
299 for 6 cores is Intel pricing so I don't like it, but it's faster so whatever
I hope Rocket Lake is decent so they can bring down the prices on the 8 and 6 cores
Hmm maybe that's why they're holding off the 5600 til next quarter
That is when Rocket Lake comes out
5600 at $219 while probably only being 2-3% slower than the 5600X is pretty good
fleet canopy
Linus doing livestream "Does Amazon Prime Day suck?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-jmpOft9hM
abstract kite
This Prime Day sucked
lilac geyser
it kind of seems like its a typical price, not even the lowest from how I'm seeing it
nimble anvil
But that RAM doesn't have RGB
void perch
970 evo, i have that, it's nice
vapid crypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyp1ckqxEiU Some info stating that the RDNA 2 card teased is likely somewhere between 64 - 74CUs and it was not their absolute top card, I wish it was more info than that and it wasn't so vague; but I guess it gives you an idea just how good this card can stack up vs the 3080
If it's 64CUs, then the full 80CU card is gonna wreck house; if it's 72 as I suspect then it's sitting between the 3080 and 3090 which is pretty good, though the video also suggests the top card is gonna be at a premium price
jade surge
I sure hope AMD doesnt try to price it at $1000 because they need to undercut and offer better price to performance. They need to win back trust before they think about higher prices
vapid crypt
Well all I'm thinking is don't expect it to be cheap, if it's indeed faster than the 3080 it will be more than it.
Everything points to 16gb Vram too, so I doubt they would do $1000
I would hope AMD knows there will be 20gb 3080 variants coming from AIBs at some point, and if I had to guess they're probably gonna target around 799 for the cheaper models; probably up to 849+ for the nicer models
I think it would make the most sense for AMD to be at 699 or no more than 749
If they're planning a liquid cooled model then that one's gonna be more
jade surge
If the TOP card beats the 3080 and comes close to 3090 I can see it being priced at 699 like the 3080. Anything higher than that and they risk scaring people off
if they made a water cooled one in colaboration with EKWB I could see it going for 899
vapid crypt
I don't completely agree, because if they are legitimately at 3090 performance then it is kind of free reign for them to price as high as they can get away with. And I really don't think people will be scared away by that. It serves its purpose as their fastest card next to Nvidia's fastest, it won't scare people away but get them to look at what AMD is offering.
Even at $1000 that looks better than the 3090 in that case, it's unfortunate but I can see that being a possible price consideration on their end. Personally I think that would be a big mistake just for the market in general since we want big performance for a reasonable price, and there's nothing reasonable about a $1000 GPU for gaming, let alone $1500.
fleet canopy
At 1000$ for MSRP, it's way more better than 1500$
jade surge
I agree that 1K is more doable but I think they are getting greedy at that point. But I mean in the end if you want premium products you will pay a premium price
eternal cairn
Yeah, AMD getting greedy this early in the game is not a good idea.
vapid crypt
It would be a bad business strategy sure, I suppose it also depends on the software stack
I'd probably be half way to affording a new high-tier graphics card for the amount of times I've seen people talk about how Nvidia have DLSS and because of DLSS they're getting Nvidia or something along those lines
fleet canopy
idk personally
I find 1000$ is perfectly fine for a 3090 competitor if the 3090 is like 1200$ or 1500$
eternal cairn
It's not gonna be a 3090 competitor though.
vapid crypt
You know this for certain then?
eternal cairn
I doubt AMD would have improved much since the 5700XT.
vapid crypt
Good, keep that energy. You'll be pleasantly surprised
eternal cairn
I hope I will be.
vapid crypt
Wait by improved much since the 5700XT do you mean they would only have something slightly faster than that?
eternal cairn
I meant by comparison to Nvidia's improvement over the 3000 series from 2000 series.
vapid crypt
I mean it really wasn't much of an improvement though, they had to increase power use by 30% just to get the equivalent level of performance increase
eternal cairn
The more power, the more that can be done. Nvidia's efficiency isn't the best, but it always feels like AMD is holding back.
Even at their peak.
Or maybe they were trying to keep the same pace as the driver devs. 
vapid crypt
I know it isn't saying much, but what they have is far better than what they had with Vega. RDNA 1 alone proved that
vapid crypt
Looks like hundreds of thousands of 3080s are rolling out in November, and the 20gb 3080s are going to be going for at least $849 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbvUK93npo
fleet canopy
lolers
jade ermine
opens the link
moores law is dead
closes the link
fleet canopy
"They were hoping they would become so desperate for Ampere"
vapid crypt
If you're able to get a 3080 in a few weeks, come back and apologize
jade ermine
jade surge
the 3080 FE will be more than enough for 1440 and 4k for now. Eventually the VRAM draw will only increase which means eventually 10GB will not be enough
Moores law has been pretty good with most of his info so far
vapid crypt
I think it'll be fine for 4k for a long time, might have to start lowering some settings in 2 or 3 years or whatever
It would have been better if they gave the 3080 the full 384-bit bus and just regular 16gb/s GDDR6 at 12gb, would give it slightly more bandwidth technically albeit not much more. And then you still have the extra capacity there, would be cheaper and generate less heat cause it uses less power too
topaz pecan
Sure does
rich pivot
Who cares about the new gpus
When ryzen literally killed intel
I want to buy the 5900x bad
jade ermine
I will just sell it with stock cooler when 4000 series is out
unless someone wants it with block
selling has not been an issue
nimble anvil
I'll give you $20 for it
Nah, AMD is inferior bro. My overclocked 10ghz i9 10900 wipes the floor with the new AMD chips
AMD fanboys everywhere
They can't handle the truth than Intel will destroy them. Their 5 minutes in the spotlight will be over soon
Hah, found an AMD boy ^
I have a job so I can afford Intel CPUs
vapid crypt
Apples you just got baited
eternal cairn
I got some intel. It's dead.
vapid crypt
Intel has to become the budget brand now
fleet canopy
lolers
eternal cairn
Pretty much.
A satisfaction which is enjoyable... until we start wanting AMD to become the budget brand again. 😆
fleet canopy
They'll still try to compete in high end, but we know no matter what AMD is going to be miles ahead of Intel anyways
vapid crypt
But when the 10900K is still $100 more than AMD's new 12 core, like you can't find that thing for MSRP
It's easily over 600 whenever you do see it
Rocket Lake is allegedly limiting things to 8 cores, assuming that's true they're skipping the i9 for one generation
jade ermine
Rocket lake 14nm and less multithread performance than their last gen
anything for that gaming king title
vapid crypt
I really only see them matching AMD with that in gaming though, clocks are going to come down
vapid crypt
X299 is getting old yeah, I heard they're working to have at least a 32 core on a new node or arch something like that
sonic oxide
I'm running 9th gen intel but i think it's gonna be my last intel chip from here out
amd is making great competition
vapid crypt
They'll probably just call it X599 though to get up to speed
jade ermine
next year will be pretty dry for blue team, 10nm should come out after rocket lake in early 2022
amd should be at 5nm process by then
vapid crypt
Big number go brrr
sick reef
Obviously it will scale linearly.
sonic oxide
i don't see us reaching too much farther than 5ghz realistically
sick reef
Well have 5nm by 2016! 
vapid crypt
But yeah they'll lose clock speed in exchange for IPC
jade ermine
watch intel not being able to hit 5Ghz with their new node
sonic oxide
moores law is kinda plateauing
sick reef
It's probably possible to reach beyond 5GHz rather stable. But getting greater gain will need new technology.
vapid crypt
With Rocket Lake I'm not even sure if it will hit 5Ghz, it won't go above it anyway
I think they'll have similar clocks to Zen 3 actually
With 10nm it's hard to say, cause I think they intend to hold off 10nm on Desktop until they get higher clocks
It's why Alder Lake is in 2022
vapid crypt
Yeah they sure have, that's the massive problem though
fleet canopy
Eh, I wonder why hitting 5GHz is something important
jade ermine
10nm desktop chips were supposed to come out 2016 originally
fleet canopy
Unless it's still on about Intel
jade ermine
its the magic number baby
vapid crypt
They've had so much trouble getting it to work
sick reef
We just need the quantum computers to be able to work for longer than minutes, and with more than 7 atoms.
Then we're set.
fleet canopy
Magic number is 69GHz
jade ermine
vapid crypt
Clockspeed is all hype, latency and IPC is where it's truly at
restive garnet
so apparently amazon has a a sale on samsung ssds atm, not related to prime day afaik
vapid crypt
Nice
restive garnet
yeah, im legitimately interested
fleet canopy
Now all you need to do is compare the price to other M.2 NVME SSDs and think whether it's worth it
vapid crypt
Yeah how much is the Sabrent Rocket 2gb?
restive garnet
not sure
vapid crypt
Not the 4.0 that's Gen 4 tax right there
fleet canopy
2GB? That's damn small
vapid crypt
Hmm so the higher performing Rocket 2gb is $279
That's in USD though
Not on sale, they have the 4.0 one for the same price but half the capacity
No wait I take that back it's $199
vapid crypt
Um the TLC one isn't better, but I think it's close enough and cheaper that it's a better buy
restive garnet
im still a sucker for samsung reliability tho
and at only 20 bucks difference, id probably still go samsung
vapid crypt