#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 149

vapid crypt Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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That's a TV series, Tele Novelas are also almost always 60fps

eternal cairn Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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No.

fleet canopy Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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There's a youtube channel that'll show their videos in 24FPS always

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lol

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They're the Slo Mo Guys, something about idfk anymore forgot

eternal cairn Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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There are very few TV series/movies that are in 60 fps.

vapid crypt Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I know, it's mostly only Tele-Novelas phaWesker

eternal cairn Oct 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_high_frame_rates

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Granted, those are just films, but still.

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It's not a lot.

vapid crypt Oct 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I played and beat Dark Souls 1 at sub 20 FPS on average PirateSimon

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Craptop integrated graphics power phaWesker

sick reef Oct 1, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Now, imagine the same solid frames

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but you could have 60 instead of 30

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Wouldn't it be better?

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Aye

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Movies isn't an interactive medium.

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You can't "play" a movie, albeit some games are practically movies.

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Your input isn't affected.

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In a movie, that is.

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It's the main fallacy comparing framerates between movie and games, moreso.

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I don't know what discussion you're having.

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Can't assume faults in something because it supports an argument.

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In movies, costs more than people get out of it.

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I think Peter Jackson did that argument.

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There is no input delay because there is no input in movies.

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Probably. We aren't talking about games anymore, so it isn't my niche.

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Now imagine the same scenario, but it was running average 30 fps.

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It'd probably go from a nuisance to abhorrent.

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Hence the Peter Jackson part, as he would be someone who has authority on it.

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Ah, pardon that. I did misinterpret the initial quote so it is partly my fault.

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I can only find his pre-interview before the release of the hobbit.

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and one post interview, apparently.

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and it was 48 fps.

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I might be too, so it's absolutely no harm.

regal stag Oct 1, 2020, 11:38 PM

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What happened?

fleet canopy Oct 1, 2020, 11:41 PM

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GPU artifacts

vapid crypt Oct 2, 2020, 2:02 AM

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When the video card is dying 👀

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2020, 2:14 AM

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MM

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Dead GPU

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Me likey

late sorrel Oct 2, 2020, 5:14 AM

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📎 video0.mp4

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young linus really hits different

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Mm

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Epic NCIX Tech Tips intro music

dense wasp Oct 2, 2020, 8:47 AM

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haha

clear quartz Oct 2, 2020, 11:36 AM

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which one would you guys recommend T8000 or B7000 for screen adhesive

vapid crypt Oct 2, 2020, 11:40 AM

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So the 3070 is getting delayed to the 29th... one day after AMD announces RDNA 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FqylGCrj4

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Curious PirateSimon

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Also apparently its performance was leaked, it's between a 2080 Super and 2080Ti (Closer to 2080Ti) and only faster than the 2080Ti at RTX

vapid crypt Oct 2, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Analysis of Ampere and all of Nvidia's previous generation cards in terms of performance uplifts, efficiency and what not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjOnWT9U96g

sick reef Oct 2, 2020, 2:02 PM

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You could try downclocking the GPU and see if you're able to use it temporarily.

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But I've also had a GPU crash a computer to the point where it cleared the OS of the hard drive, so I dunno.

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Apparently a Win10 specific issue.

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HLL?

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Hmm That sounds weird.

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I'd just try downclocking the thing, and see if it returns, if drivers don't work on it.

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Sounds like an issue I had too, way back, with my card. Not artifacting, but other issues. I had to wait for new driver, clean install, and then it had no issues.

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monakS

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Have you tried downclocking it as a test?

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Well, yeah, that's why you downclock, to reduce powerdraw. So even if it so spikes, it doesn't spike beyond what makes it start artifacting.

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What about Precision XOC.

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Aye, I can understand that. I'm just one to not tempt things to break, rather than trying to "keep them up".

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Ah, 30 day period of purchase?

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Makes more sense that it'd have issues than. What card is it?

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I bought a card for a friend, and had similar issue where he'd get artefacting when he played one specific game.

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But yeah, that wasn't a funny refund, even under 30 days guarantee.

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Maybe it's worth waiting for Navi if it dumps Nvidia's prices.

jade surge Oct 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I am excited to see what AMD can bring to the GPU market this time. I mean i like Nvidia just as much as AMD for graphics. I wouldnt mind a 30XX series card but this launch has me wondering what else will go wrong.

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I am not an AMD fanboy but I would rather have an AMD card wityh 2080ti comparable graphics powers and a lower power draw

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I don't want to have to buy a 1000W or higher PSU just for a graphics

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I may have to with my next build

vapid crypt Oct 2, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Technically Nvidia's Ampere equivalent to a 2080Ti will draw less power than one, albeit only slightly less. AMD's will likely draw even less though.

sick reef Oct 2, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Wattage per performance or some other redundant statistic as such

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I'm an advocate to get the card that fits best for the situation and want.

jade surge Oct 2, 2020, 3:27 PM

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depending on how well AMD cards perform with 1440 or 4k will be my deciding factor. If nothing interests me I will go back to what i originally wanted was a 3080. But I would rather have the 20GB model not the 10

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I can finally build my PC and give my daughter the one I am currently using as my daily driver

jade ermine Oct 2, 2020, 6:25 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/cjCJZMf.mp4

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Installed lian li strimer plus cable, should have bought 24pin too

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im def getting one later on!

abstract kite Oct 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I bought a 2080Ti for a new build 2 weeks before 3x came out

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📎 20200920_025023.jpg

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Still happy with the build since there's no custom water-cooling for the 3x series yet

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couldn't think of where else to put them

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if you have suggestions though I'm open to working on it again

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there's a front glass panel too

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so making it look decent from the front was hard

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hm that's not a bad idea

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ye not for this build but in the future

eternal cairn Oct 3, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Ooh, cyan RGB.

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My favorite color.

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I wish I had money.

abstract kite Oct 3, 2020, 4:15 AM

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cyan is best ❤️

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💙

jade ermine Oct 3, 2020, 10:50 AM

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cyan 🫂

wise pumice Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Red tho

sonic oxide Oct 3, 2020, 2:22 PM

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any ideas on how i could fit in water-cooling for vga in a case like this? I've got an aio loop for the cpu with a fairly thick rad in the front but id really like to get into custom loops

sick reef Oct 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Drill mountholes

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That's what I did.

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Well, I guess I actually cut out a hole

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But you could probably get away with a right-size rad, and cutting a few mountholes

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If you're scared of plaing fans on the outside, you're going to get very little space left.

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But you can map it out with the dimensions of the products you are to use.

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New panels probably exist somewhere if you feel unsafe tampering with it. Like europarts or equalient. Seems to be white, or "opal white"

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If it gets cramped, you just get high-pressure/-airflow fans.

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Being slightly loud beats running 70 degrees idle

fast comet Oct 3, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I have a Radeon(TM) RX 580 which is integrated graphics i need an upgrade because i can only run gtfo on 60-70 fps, what should i upgrade to?

old patrol Oct 3, 2020, 8:14 PM

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60-70 fps is good tho

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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^

old patrol Oct 3, 2020, 8:24 PM

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But you do you

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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An RX 580 is not integrated graphics

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What? phaWesker

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And is that unacceptable performance, are you unhappy with it? That's what you need to ask first before considering upgrading

old patrol Oct 3, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Ya

fast comet Oct 3, 2020, 8:32 PM

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60-70 average on the GAME all maps

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yes 60-70 is bad for me

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 8:37 PM

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well you might wanna wait until AMD releases their cards to see what is the best options or if you just have money to throw around 230 for a 1660ti new or maybe 150 used will get you 90-100 fpswith lows of around 85

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 9:27 PM

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What's your CPU?

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Cause I get 80 - 90 with my 580

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 PM

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who? Me?

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I am running a R51600AF

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 PM

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No uh to be at the top's CPU, he only mentioned his graphics

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 PM

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He might have like a mobile RX 580 unless those don't exist

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 PM

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That's still not integrated technically

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 PM

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?

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Unless you're explaining the lower performance

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Plus, isn't GTFO still not the most optimized game compared to others?

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 PM

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If there's a bottleneck with the CPU, it could be apparent I dunno

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Though it would have to be a Bulldozer CPU

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Or maybe a RAM bottleneck if its Ryzen

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 10:24 PM

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if he's running a ryzen chip with 8GB of ram then if he is bottlenecking it might be the GPU. I wonder what resolution he is running

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Big Navi die shot apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe1xycgVVyM

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 10:26 PM

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and what settings in the game

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:26 PM

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And by RAM bottleneck I meant speed actually not capacity

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 10:27 PM

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thats true. if he is running anything under ddr4 3200 then he might encounter issues

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and what settings he has the games set to

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:28 PM

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<2933 that's the native speed that Zen+ support at least, Zen 2 natively supports 3200 though

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So the big navi die at least according to Coreteks is 536mm2

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That's based on his measurement from the reference he has, we've heard 505mm2 this whole time, so it could be somewhere between there approximately phaWesker

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Go, I am tired of all the seculation. I am so ready for the 28thpd

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hopefully when AMD takes the CPU crown they stay the price to performance king. I just want a decent alternative to Nvidia.

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I think so, if AMD were to offer a $1500 GPU; they would at least give you 32Gb of HBM2

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 10:48 PM

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I don't think AMD would even sell it that high. They would undercut Nvidia to take them on.

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 10:49 PM

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I'd safely say just 1000$

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Well sure, at that point they're pro cards though, competing with Quadros

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Aren't Quadros like

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Which we know they have cards like that in design

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I think the alleged performance they're targeting is RTX 6000 with more Vram

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But for the price of an RTX 5000

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Hm.

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Well actually it's more Vram than the 5000

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Ah yeah that's it, RTX 6000 performance with 32GB of GDDR6 for the price of an RTX 5000

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Which has 24gb

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Wait I think I got most of that totally wrong

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Well whatever fuck it phaWesker

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Okay I was half right, they're targeting A6000 meaning the new Ampere Quadro and it has 32gb of Vram

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Which the A6000 will have 48Gb, so they're offering something between the A5000 and A6000 with similar performance to the latter but cheaper cause of less Vram

jade surge Oct 3, 2020, 11:04 PM

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on a side note, you have to appreciate how Nvidia convinced the world the 3090 was actually designed for gaming

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people are so stupid

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Most people aren't necessarily convinced of it, but it's the same thing like the Titan right

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They pushed out the best card they could, gave it 6gb of Vram and said "Yeah this is a prosumer card, it's great for creators." Put a 1 grand tag on it, and gamers still bought it if they could afford it

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At the same time AMD's best card was trading blows with it for $549, nearly half the price. It was barely anymore than the 780 and pretty much shitting on it. For Nvidia it was easy though, just take the Titan and cut the Vram in half sell it for $600 PirateSimon

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We might see that again this time, like if AMD offer a card that's trading blows with the 3090 for the same price or not much more than the 3080; the only thing Nvidia can really do is make a cutdown 3090 with 12Gb of Vram

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Cause a 20Gb 3080 won't really speed up the core after all

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Like doing what?

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Right now, it's 8%

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Okay, well I have 8 if it's any consolation phaWesker

fast comet Oct 3, 2020, 11:50 PM

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im running ryzen 7 with 16gb ram ddr4

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 11:50 PM

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What's the speed of the Ram, and what's the CPU specifically?

fast comet Oct 3, 2020, 11:50 PM

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the ram isn't the issue

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lemme check the cpu

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Well if you're sure, I know people get less performance than they should be because they never enabled XMP in the Bios

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That slows down Ryzen quite a bit

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 11:51 PM

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By a significant amount, yeah

fast comet Oct 3, 2020, 11:52 PM

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hmm, i should enable XMP?

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Yes

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Well yeah it's generally advised as long as the XMP profile is around 3000Mhz give or take a bit

fleet canopy Oct 3, 2020, 11:53 PM

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For instance, if you bought DDR4-3600MHz CAS16 RAM, you'll only get 2133MHz. But enabling it allows you to get your RAM to DDR4-3600MHz CAS16 without needing to change anything

vapid crypt Oct 3, 2020, 11:53 PM

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When you buy RAM they advertise the XMP speed, but you need to actually go into the Bios to enable that speed

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Otherwise it runs at a base clock of 2133Mhz or 2400Mhz

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Ram clocks are very important for Ryzen because of how the architecture is structured, it needs fast Ram to reduce the response between CCXs

jade surge Oct 4, 2020, 12:19 AM

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2133 is the fastest it will recognize without XMP enabled. I noticed that when I was tinkering with Icing my ram

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What resolution are you running the 580 at

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Some RAM kits run at 2400 base actually

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I think Team T-force Vulkan usually do phaSheva

jade surge Oct 4, 2020, 3:51 AM

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I apologize upon closer look the maximum clock speed allowed before OCing is needed is 2400M\Hz

dense wasp Oct 4, 2020, 4:19 PM

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did you guys see this btw?
https://www.fmkorea.com/3125942956

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Heard about it, didn't see a site

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5600X with 4GHz base, 4.6GHz boost single 4.4Ghz boost all core

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5800X with 4GHz base, 4.8GHz boost single, 4.4Ghz boost all core

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Only difference is the core count and the 200Mhz ig lole

dense wasp Oct 4, 2020, 4:36 PM

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will be interesting to see how big a dif that actually makes in games

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 4:37 PM

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The clockspeed doesn't matter as much as the structure of the CCXs when comparing to the previous gens

abstract kite Oct 4, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Hey guys I am a bit confused. Last night I put my computer on sleep while there was a update pending. I go to sleep and wake up to my PC on and my Computer Updated and Microsoft Edge harassing me to sign up with them.

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Why did my computer just turn on and update without me telling it too?

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Because Microshaft PirateSimon

abstract kite Oct 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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F

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It disabled all my mods for my Rimworld....

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Never heard of a Windows update doing that

abstract kite Oct 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I signed into my steam and all my mods disabled KEKW

clear quartz Oct 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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microsoft is kill

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when?

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i wish we had more games supported on linux

proper wren Oct 4, 2020, 7:09 PM

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📎 20201004_120844.jpg

old patrol Oct 4, 2020, 7:11 PM

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hot

void perch Oct 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Nice

jade surge Oct 4, 2020, 7:16 PM

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It has happened to mine once. I put my PC in Sleep mode and woke up 4 hours later and my PC was on and upon closer inspection it had updated

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the 3090 is nice but it is SOOO overpriced

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The 3090 is just dumb unless it's cheaper lol

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Although the performance is crazy good at least

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Crazy good for anything other than gaming PirateSimon

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I suppose there's that

proper wren Oct 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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The store is 75% filled with cases

eternal cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Nvidia just preying on their fanbase and enthusiasts.

void perch Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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i just want a 3080

eternal cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I'm still stuck deciding between a 3080 and a 3070.

void perch Oct 4, 2020, 8:56 PM

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my current is a 1080 so i'm really looking forward to an upgrade

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but also still considering the threadripper. also half considering like dual GPU's so one can be dedicated to gaming and one to OBS recording

eternal cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Mine's a 1070. I hope I'll be able to run most VR games without any framerate dips when I upgrade. *coughs* VRChat *coughs*

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The thing about using the GPU for recording is that it tends to look fairly different versus recording with CPU.

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Unless you're planning on recording 4k or higher.

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Then I can see why GPU would be better.

clear quartz Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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coughs on 1060m

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i still wanna see what amd has cooked up

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Damn, you all have the virus

proper wren Oct 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I'm waiting on RDNA2

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Hm.

tranquil wolf Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Just built my first rig very recently

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Very nice

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What does it have?

jade surge Oct 4, 2020, 9:44 PM

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the 3090 performance is nice but the only reason it's so much more is cause of the 24GB of ddr6x. outside of that they may need to drop the price

tranquil wolf Oct 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

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What does it have?
@fleet canopy Ryzen 7 3700x and 5700XT

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I wouldn't be able to afford anything new and crazy from Nvidia or AMD so im happy with what I've got

jade surge Oct 4, 2020, 10:19 PM

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between those two that's roughly 800 in parts. Are you gonna kick yourself if you find out you could have gotten more performance for the same amount or even less

vapid crypt Oct 4, 2020, 10:42 PM

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RDNA 2 will be competitive with Ampere in the high end, there is absolutely no doubt it my mind of that

jade surge Oct 5, 2020, 12:58 AM

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I sure hope that RDNA2 will give Nvidia a good go at it in the high end. Even if they do not I am sure2080ti performance with better price to performance I will still go AMD. I am really looking forward to ZEN 3. my only thing is what will they price the chips

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 1:00 AM

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I believe there's an article possibly showing possible prices, but it's in chinese, like every other leak ever

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Well Ludvig did show it

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Actually doesn't show price, nevermind

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's still the same as last gen, 200$ for the x600, 250$ or whatever for x600X, etc.

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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That was a Korean site right? Anyway it didn't mention a 5600 or whatever, just a 5600X. I think they might be dropping non X skus

jade surge Oct 5, 2020, 1:34 AM

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as long as they are all unlocked I am fine

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I am looking forward to the 16 core cpu

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Well of course they won't be restricted as far as clocking goes, but my point was in order to bring up overall prices from previous gen; they might drop non X skus altogether

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I hope I'm wrong though, in my head I feel like they didn't want to sell the 3700X since it was basically almost no different from the 3800X for $70 less

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So I could see them just having a single 8 core sku for $400 and that's it

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I guess it'd make more sense just to sell only the 5800X, and not include the 5700X

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Although it was in their Zen 2 lineup, so I'm not sure if you might be correct on that because it might just be the normal thing for AMD to do

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Zen 1 had 3 8 cores in the lineup

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1700, 1700X and 1800X which was 499 on Launch I think

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1800X was just top binned, it guaranteed a 4.1 Ghz overclock

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I think the price came down to 429 in like 2 months

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That's how shitty it was doing sale wise

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Hm.

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Maybe you could be right. They'll probably just ditch having more than one CPU with 8 cores/16 threads at this point

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:59 AM

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I think at least for this next generation they want to squeeze out as much profit from 8 cores

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And if that means only offering a single option, maybe they'll do $379 as a perceived price reduction from the 3800X launch; but not offering a cheaper sku

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There's also the 4700U, but those haven't launched for DIY yet

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But that's basically just a 3700X with onboard graphics

jade surge Oct 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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you wont get the 4700u in the DIY market cause its the mobile chip

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you mean the 4700g

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???

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Oh I did mean the 4700G

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Well that's my cue for getting off for the night even if it isn't that late, cause I must be fried for absolutely no reason PirateSimon

proper wren Oct 5, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Aren't they skipping the 4000 series on the processors and going ahead with 5000 series

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4000 series is laptops

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Either they've gone doo doo in their brains from sleepiness or there's info we don't know yet

tardy jackal Oct 5, 2020, 7:04 AM

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@red sinew

red sinew Oct 5, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Thanks for the ping

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tiresome

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sorry y'all had to see that

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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help

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it says hdmi no signal

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i plugged in hdmi correctly

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what do i do

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:33 AM

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How many times have you rebooted?

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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have you tried with another cable?

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it maybe the cable thats rip

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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no

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omly 1cble

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its a highspec pc

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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it could be your cable RIP or your GPU

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

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You've now restarted the PC once, yeah?

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:42 AM

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ye

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:42 AM

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and it was connected to the motherboard this time?

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:42 AM

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yes

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📎 20201005_134309.jpg

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Have you tried the other HDMI connectors on the GPU as well?

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:44 AM

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ill try nowand reoot

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Yeah

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:45 AM

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works

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loading

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insert boot media thingy

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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where did you install your OS?

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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timte to gbto my laptop

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didnt

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Good.

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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neeto find my us

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usb

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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i guess you storage is RIP

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:46 AM

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n

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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or maybe not

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Aye. USB-media is a good way to install OS.

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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theresno other wy tho??

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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CD, over LAN, mirroring a disk.

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:48 AM

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lan?

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how

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Not important now, but you can.

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:48 AM

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best method is through USB

hallow jackal Oct 5, 2020, 11:48 AM

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ok

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 11:49 AM

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

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for making a Win 10 bootable USB

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you need at least an 8GB USB

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:49 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ektzjGlPM

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The Scalpers are evolving phaKrauser

quaint wharf Oct 5, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I find it quite interesting how my old pc can still run it at high for 40-50 fps

(gt 750ti, amd fx8320, and 8gb ddr3 800mhz ram)

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:51 PM

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At what resolution though?

quaint wharf Oct 5, 2020, 2:54 PM

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1360/768

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I thought a game like this would be running at lot lower fps than that

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I suppose people that weren't here early on wouldn't know

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But the game was effectively developed on 5 year old mid-range gaming pcs

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4th gen i7s and GTX 970s

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I suppose specs like that would be the minimum ideal for like 1080p

jade surge Oct 5, 2020, 3:36 PM

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It's not too hard to believe. I mean my I7 920 24 GB of DDR3 1600MHz HD5870. it's good enough to play. Not 100 fps maxed out settings but it still plays well. Crazy thing is all the tech is from 2009-2010

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Game development largely stagnated as the hardware did as well

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There used to be literally double performance increases in the graphics card space on an annual basis, unrealistic to expect that to come back of course. Throughout the 2010s it was Intel dominating the CPU space making 5% leaps per generation while keeping things at quad cores

clear quartz Oct 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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📎 core_printer.png

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perfect visual summary

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which reminds me that were finally get to see what zen 3 is all about

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 6:10 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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I love that in the end of the PC build for AliExpress, it turns out that the laser cutting was done on the inside part of the case, so now it looks reversed

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 6:33 PM

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RDNA 2 Infinity Cache confirmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUn4RmBRDc

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 6:34 PM

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He should give me that 3080

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:10 PM

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any point on waiting for the super variant of the 30 series?

jade surge Oct 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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your best bet is to wait until AMD announces their cards and decide which to buy

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Super variants are not confirmed, merely rumored. Though it seems like there will be higher RAM versions of both the 3070 and 3080

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They or may or may not add more shaders in addition

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:14 PM

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did AMD this last gen and not doing it again. wanting one of the new nvidia line up as soon as possible.

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but if their not confirmed i might just go with the 3070 right away

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Well by not being confirmed means they probably won't call them "Super" or whatever, but just have higher RAM variants possibly with more shaders too

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They did that with the 1060 by having a 3gb variant with less shaders, so it wouldn't be the first time they did that. Though the other way around I guess phaWesker

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:16 PM

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probably wouldnt matter though since i want to pair it with my 3700x

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I don't see how that's relevant phaSheva

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:19 PM

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possible increase of a bottleneck with "super" varients

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maybe?

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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No, that's not how that works

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Educate me bro

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:23 PM

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There's always a bottleneck, the ideal bottleneck you want is the GPU. The CPU is typically only bottlenecking (meaning you're limited to the performance of the CPU) when you're at like 1080p and below at this point. It's basically non-existent at 4k, and not a big deal at 1440p

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:24 PM

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so which one of the cards would you pair with a 3700x

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Well what display are you using?

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:25 PM

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1440p 144hz

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:26 PM

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There's pretty much no worry of a bottleneck in most cases with any modern CPU, if it were Bulldozer that would be concerning; but otherwise that's fine. Zen 2 is like what... 3% slower than Intel at 1440p I think

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:27 PM

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i guess that's why ppl plan to use the 2700x even with the new line up

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so what 3070? right?

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:28 PM

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For 1440p high refresh that seems like a good choice

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:29 PM

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should i wait on this rumored super variant?

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Um I dunno, I'm hesitating even calling it that even if it does have a couple more SMs

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It likely won't be this quarter, that would be an awful look for Nvidia

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But who knows, its the AIBs handling it apparently

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If it's just 3070 but double the Vram then it wouldn't be any faster outside of where it could be memory bottlenecked. Which is likely only 4k? I don't think Vram usage is getting that high at 1440p... yet though I might be wrong phaWesker

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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gotcha, guess we'll just have to wait and see.. ty much brother appreciate the help

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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And don't outright reject Radeon, you implied having a bad experience with them but I am more than certain that they have ironed out all the issues both hardware and software wise; they will have a competitive product this quarter and likely bring down prices. There's a reason Nvidia delayed the 3070 until after AMD has their event for it.

abstract kite Oct 5, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Youre right, just left a bad taste in my mouth.. ill see what they have to offer

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Yeah, they can improve

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It's not like they'll stay bad forever

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I just think it's a good idea to take an objective look at what everyone is offering, AMD's architectures both CPU and graphics are going into the new consoles, so this isn't the time to have an unstable launch imo. We've seen with Nvidia their launch has been largely unstable tbh, a lot of the same issues we've seen with AMD actually.

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I saw the first iteration of RDNA as a beta test kinda, unfortunate that so many people had issues with it; but it is very solid now that they've worked things out finally.

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Interestingly enough that RedGamingTech video I posted earlier talked about RDNA2's RT performance, and it mentioned that in the 80CU card they're going to use 20 of those CUs for RT performance. So technically I guess for pure Raster performance in games that use RT it's a 60CU card phaSheva

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Kinda tells me that in DXR games their performance is gonna be slightly behind the 3080 with that card maybe

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But at pure Raster it'll beat it

sick reef Oct 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Isn't standard praxis that it takes 6 months for a AMD card to be worth it, because their drivers has been arse

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But then it beats comparatively priced Nvidia.

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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That's been the recent trend I suppose

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Though I suppose that's not accurate, it's more accurate to say it beats the more expensive priced Nvidia product. The 5700XT on average is now edging out the more expensive 2070 Super

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Yeah, but even the 2060 Super was stupid overpriced, and the 5700XT easily beat that

nimble anvil Oct 5, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Do people still only have 144hz monitors? It's all about the 1000hz monitors now

vapid crypt Oct 5, 2020, 11:24 PM

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The brains needs at least 16969hz to ascend PirateSimon

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I use 60!Hz

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8.3209871e+81

vapid crypt Oct 6, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I take back my earlier comment about the raytracing performance on RDNA2

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It's wrong and I'm dumb PirateSimon

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Redgamingtech mentioned that in the video, but I wasn't listening to what was being said completely so I missed the part where he says "That's not how it works." and he goes on to debunk all of that phaWesker

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 12:28 AM

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kek

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So it's still 80CU, it's just that uhhh

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Like NVIDIA, there's RT cores?

vapid crypt Oct 6, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Uh my brain is too small to explain how it works, just watch the video PirateSimon

eternal cairn Oct 6, 2020, 7:45 AM

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RTX 3070 in 9 days.

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Wait, they bumped back the release.

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Wtf?

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Ah, I see now.

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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-3070-available-october-29/

daring kernel Oct 6, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Are we allowed to tag the devs with a question regarding one of their techniques in the game?

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@limpid hawk @abstract kite @abstract kite @pastel arrow @dense wasp I have a curious question regarding your implementation of fog in the game.. More specifik, which technique you used for it? Is it based on volumetric fog, particle systems e.t.c.?

jade ermine Oct 6, 2020, 12:57 PM

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@eternal cairn Day after AMD's reveal day, How convenient 🧠

jade surge Oct 6, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Nah, Nvidia would never purposefully release their cards the day after AMD announces theirs. NEVER

fair fern Oct 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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@abstract kite Great nick , well done

vapid crypt Oct 6, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Imagine competition in a market that lacked it for the most part for 5 years PirateSimon

jade surge Oct 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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sad thing is that AMD competes with Nvidia, it's just the low to mid range. Doesnt help AMD that their products dont really mature until later in the driver life cycly

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cicle

eternal cairn Oct 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Icicle.

vapid crypt Oct 6, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Cycle PirateSimon

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I generally meant in the high end, where they need a halo product. A Halo product is very important in a product line, it increases the positive perception of the entire stack

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For example in the case of Nvidia, people see that Nvidia have the fastest graphics card right, they see the 3090 "Wow that's fast but it's really expensive I can't afford it, I'll pay $230 for this 1660 Super because it's what I'm comfortable paying for."

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That's the general logic for a lot of consumers

restive garnet Oct 6, 2020, 7:50 PM

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the samsung odyssey G9 is a fantastic example of a halo product, stupidly high end, but still cheaper and better than the compeition

vapid crypt Oct 6, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Well being cheaper and better than the competition is certainly a positive, but it doesn't define a halo product

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 8:25 PM

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apple is good on that

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iphone pro and max scams

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or galaxy 10 lites from samsung, aint it?

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Apple is the definition of it

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Or maybe not

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Their whole userbase is so..

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I'm not sure how to explain it

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I have a video about it, hold on

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I forget which video, but it's from Louis Rossman

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYHwkIuEMo

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There it is

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All I needed to do was type in "Louis Rossmann Communist Apple" PirateSimon

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tldr is basically Customer reviews non apple product; "This is shit, never buying again." but Customer reviews Apple product; "This is shit, but maybe it's my fault, maybe it's not actually shit even though research proves it's shit. I should have done better at <Thing you normally do with PC/Phone>"

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That's kind of the idea with why Apple is seen as so good for such a horrible reason lol

sick reef Oct 6, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Systematic self-perpetuating subjugation.

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Like it isn't about the product itself being so great

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It's about the mindset people have when it comes to Apple

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The only reason that mindset hasn't changed because many others back them up with stupid dumb shit that seems reasonable and obvious to the Apple users

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I have not seen a lot of apple products in my school

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Oh you mean like

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"The school has it, so it must be good!"

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I guess that'd make sense

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As a kid I used regular Windows PCs a lot so generally Apple isn't my thing to use, which I guess that's what you're speaking of

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lol yeah I guess

sick reef Oct 6, 2020, 8:59 PM

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The problem with apple is the methodology of the company, regardless of how ever much whatabout-ism can be manufactured.

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:00 PM

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im not gonna lie but the foundation of ios was as invivision by jobs was for non tech savy people

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and that's where apple struck gold with iphone and ios

merry bay Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 PM

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My relatives are now forever sticking with Apple, in the early days they would always cheap out on windows laptops, constant issues. Then splurged on a macbook once.

They use it for very basic things, but since it's a whole different price tier they haven't run into any issues.
Now in their eyes Apple devices are perfect for them. Eventually almost their entire family is in Apple's ecosystem.

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It's not that bad, but their reasoning is what grinds my gears a little bit

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:02 PM

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^

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That is, if they're not the most tech savvy of course

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:03 PM

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apple's main consumer are non tech savy, for most iPhone user it's simplicity, even a toddler can use ios ecosystem

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:03 PM

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In the video I posted, an Android user tried using an iPhone 5 and was like so confused with how to use it lmao

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Actually that's a different video

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But it's from the same guy taking what his friend said in the video

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:04 PM

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if you see the first iphone reveal you see why the iphone became successful

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:04 PM

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?

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Ah

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Yeah, but I don't see much difference to using it. I do know there was something from LTT talking about how the gaming performance on Linux is better than on Windows 10

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I never did look into what Linux had in store mostly, I just see it more as an OS for mostly devs/programmers imo

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:08 PM

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linux is total freedom to shoot yourself in the foot

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wait i got a meme avout this

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📎 linux-windows-mac.jpg

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there we go

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Still better than a kid's toy at least lmao

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Like Apples said, I would switch to Linux if I wanted to, if games for Steam, etc. weren't so fucked over

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That's what I try to stick to

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But I play Siege

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So yeah

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It'll use the uplay launcher

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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same if titanfall and apex were on linux id jump full time on it

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I guess Siege on Linux works perfectly fine, since it's a big game and been around a good while

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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natevily

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Natively*

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c:

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 PM

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i got dyslexia sowwy pika

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Aw :(

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Or just generally too hard for them to change their mindset

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:13 PM

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ngl if i was to give a non savy tech person a phone id give them an iphone

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I guess so

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iPhones aren't so bad in general I guess

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The entire Apple userbase/company is bad though

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:14 PM

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tbh a jailbroken iphone is great

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Never tried cause I'm lazy and I'm clueless to phones unlike PCs

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:15 PM

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i dunno about macos, but ive used ipads aiphones before

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I've used MacOS

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It is too different from Windows

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lol

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:16 PM

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the tech savy people that think that apple is great are the worst

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:16 PM

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The tech savvy people who think Apple is great aren't tech savvy

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i had this class mate on CS major that venerated apple

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:16 PM

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What's his opinion on Windows/Linux?

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:17 PM

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they sucked

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Lol

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MacOS isn't too bad for normal people who don't play games

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Just general emails, crap

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:17 PM

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guy was a w*ncker for apple

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:17 PM

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kekw

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:19 PM

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apple products aren't bad just grossly over priced

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kinda like razer

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yeah

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Apple is just

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Waaaay so fucking overpriced, or underspecced for their price

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But no one's going to use those crazy specs because MacOS can't fucking play more than 10% of Steam's library

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:20 PM

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imagine gaming on mac

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I guess I still need a new keyboard/mouse, but it's still fine

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Spacebar gets loose from their place and it doesn't press the switch enough to work but it's not too common to be an annoyance

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Yeah, like the stupid spacebar switch on the keyboard I recently got and it fucking took a shit and went off when I pulled off the spacebar

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It was giving me same problem, but it was different since the switch actually had a problem lmao

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Instead of just the normal "Spacebar is loose, just press it 100% down and it's fine"

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The switch must have been placed on really badly, even funny since my brother said he had it before and it was pretty good

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I guess that's what I get for paying a 70$ ish keyboard lol

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:25 PM

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ngl i only got an ornata keyboard cuz a mate had one and i gotta say the wrist rest is top tier

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I wanted to get one of those Ducky keyboards or look for a quality keyboard that wasn't so magnificently fucking huge and had the little wrist rest cause I never use it anymore

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It looks like one of those impossible to clean keyboards

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lole

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It's got to have customizable RGB or no buy >:(

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:28 PM

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razer has them

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i only recommended cus of wrist rest

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if wrist rest aint a priority then i guess something mechanical

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Holy fuck looking at the rainbow RGB on the keyboard it looks like it's moving

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:30 PM

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if you getting a razer get the ornata chroma

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Does it have an option to be a fade or static color?

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yeah

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:32 PM

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And again, it'd be great to have an option like a trial to test out a keyboard because I've never used anything much other than Cherry MX Blue

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:32 PM

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razer chroma has a lot of custumation

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it even has game related RGB configs

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I don't understand sound tests lole

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I could hear a small difference if it's supposed to be quiet or loud

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But it's just "clicky clack click clack"

clear quartz Oct 6, 2020, 9:34 PM

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same

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linus tech tips have a good comparison of 70 bucks keyboards

fleet canopy Oct 6, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Just look at this keyboard. Keys literally looks like it's moving everywhere lmao https://youtu.be/eeAs3CBgSeA?t=290

stark plover Oct 6, 2020, 9:49 PM

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razer green very loud i love it

tribal plank Oct 7, 2020, 4:26 AM

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It's a keyboard, a very very very... Very expensive keyboard

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Eh, 100$ for that doesn't really seem so bad

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Kind of disappointing it isn't actual mechanical switches though

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I know non mechanical like whatever that keyboard has is probably pretty good and whatever, but I've only really used Cherry MX Blue a lot, so it feels pretty good for gaming, as it feels like it responded to the press of the button really well

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I got a mechanical keyboard for like 30 bucks PirateSimon

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Yeah, there's definitely more options on the cheaper side

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But 100$ maximum isn't bad imo

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Anymore and it's just more of a ripoff unless they're very good quality

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And if it's the perfect keyboard for functions, feel, usability, then it's def worth the price in any amount

bright shard Oct 7, 2020, 6:13 AM

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personally cant deal with the noise of blues.

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reds or browns.

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Hah

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I don't mind it

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Only rarely do I get really bugged to hell about it

jade ermine Oct 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I recently installed zeal turquoise's on my gmmk. My first linear switch and im in love

📎 IMG_20200901_175903.jpg

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 AM

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@vapid crypt you aren't wrong, but a halo product is supposed to positively change the consumers view of a company or their products, which is exactly what the G9 does

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which i realize is a very late reply, so take it in context

clear quartz Oct 7, 2020, 2:24 PM

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man fuck apple

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im trying to restore this ipod that itunes asked to restore before using and not it fuck it completely over

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when it was working before

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Sure, in AMD's case they just need to have stock at this point for that alone PirateSimon

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Nvidia's crappy Ampere launch left them an easy opening pretty much

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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https://youtu.be/aCVKdt-6Qz4

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So allegedly MSI has been scalping their own 3080s

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Listing them on eBay with an associate account at x2 MSRP

merry bay Oct 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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didn't finish watching the video yet, but here's the source, along with official MSI response

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https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/j6idky/msi_scalping_their_own_3080s_on_ebay_links/

lilac geyser Oct 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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I respect the response

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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So from what I got from that is MSI had stock of these cards at a subsidiary company, all their e-tailer listings are sold out

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But I mean, not technically true if you have a subsidiary company with stock and they're off charging double MSRP

lilac geyser Oct 7, 2020, 4:08 PM

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now msi needs to address the accusations they tried to pay to take down or delay negative reviews

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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A bit shady since the Company would deal in refurbs and not new stock. Well it's a good thing this happened because it exposed a glitch in the system

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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My main take away is that MSI got caught with its hands in the cookie jar

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I dont see any way the subsidiary would charge those prices without it being intentional scalping

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:07 PM

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well I think a lot of companies try to pay off reviewers to take down negative reviews. I am pretty sure some tech reviewers have taken the hush money. It's not necessarily illegal but it sure is shady as hell and looks really bad on them when they are exposed

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Afaik, it is illegal

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:09 PM

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oh I am sure it was intentional by the subsidiary. I think someone just got caught. This way it is MSI's way of plausible deniabilty and they can say that they didnt know that the subsidiary company was doing the scalping

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Considering the subsidiary is based out of MSI offices, and going by GNs research, is probably run by a singular MSI employee

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:10 PM

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IMO, it shouldnt be illegal. If some one is stupid enough to pay the huge upticking in price then that's there call

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Scalping itself is one thing

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But the key words in MSRP is manufacturer specified

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In this case the manufacturer has specified a price

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And is selling their cards above that price

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Oh, Steve has definitely had multiple issues with MSI and a few other big companies. It would be in these companies best interests to take the advice cause it shows these companies care what the customers think and are not completely driven by profit margin

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all MSRP means is it's the lowest anyone can sell the product. MSRP does not dictate the upcharge

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Except they themselves are the ones adding the upcharge

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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thats the risky part.

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Im not a lawyer, nor do i live in the US

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But that seems hella shady to me

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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but being the company was a subsidiary of MSI that is going to be the out for them

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Plausible deniability sorta goes out the window when the subsidiary is two offices down from yours

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Also, im fairly (?) Certain that the US has some form of anti price gouging laws

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Ultimately, I really don't care what happens. My opinion is i would prefer these companies be on the up and up because it will increase the trust the customer has for the company. The best advice I ever got was from a drill Sergeant back in Boot Camp. He would say,"Privates, I know that you are gonna do illegal shit while out this weekend, but at least make sure if you are doing stupid shit you are smart about it."

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Ironically, i got the same advice from my CO

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Except it was more angled towards "don't get caught"

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Oh yes the US does have laws, but most of them apply during times of Crisis. Not sure if this falls under that

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Well, between corona virus and racial protests, it is a time of crisis ;)

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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but the purchase of a graphics card is not a neccesity

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so it may not apply

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Depends on the wording of the laws

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But again, im not a lawyer, and i dont live in the US

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So its pure speculation on my part

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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that's true. It is all in the wording. I am not a lawyer either.

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I agree

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Things like petrol are a common thing for price fixing

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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building a PC is a want and not a need

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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So its common to see anti gouging laws

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Depends again on wording though

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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well, after Hurricane Katrina and other disasters there are definite laws in place to eliminate price gouging

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Probably the easiest out for MSI would be to use the subsidiary as a scapegoat and cut ties

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But i suspect that wont happen

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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so the questions regarding the high increase of the price of the GPU's is, do we consider the increase due to Supply and Demand, or is it clearly price gouging

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Hard to say

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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well MSI did release the statement with the customer will get a refund of the excess in price

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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At double msrp, i would lean towards price gouging

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Only because they got caught

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Their reputation is still mud

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:25 PM

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but like I said it all depends on the wording of the law, But IMO graphics cards purchases in no way EVER is a neccesity of living

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Depends on if the price gouging laws only cover necessities or if it extends further

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I think I may be done with MSI altogether because of all this shady shit. I mean they have really good products and i may never experience any of these issues. But, there are WAY too many companies that sell quality products that i can consciously avoid any possible issues

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Particularly considering that apparently MSI didnt have stock, that says to me that they were intentionally playing with supply and demand

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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California's wording is as such,

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Is price gouging illegal in California? Yes, in certain circumstances. California's anti-price gouging statute, Penal Code Section 396, prohibits raising the price of many consumer goods and services by more than 10% after an emergency has been declared.

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Tbh, i got turned off msi products years ago

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Ive heard way to many horror stories

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I think Nvidia is also to blame in some ways. I mean they say that the demand was way higher than expected. but let's see how many they had produced for the launch

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Laptops thermal throttling under light loads, RMA mix ups

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I heard MSI just has a big problem

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Gpus and mobos frying themselves

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Or at least last year mainly with laptops

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GN did video of it

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I started watching Gamer's Nexus and Steve has had many issues with them as well

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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And in recent years, all this shady stuff

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That laptop fan grill thing was ridiculous

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Which was that?

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Not 100% sure on the model

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I saw a review of it, i think from GN

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The fan grills on the bottom led to nowhere

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The fans were hard up against solid the bottom of the chassis

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Thats the sort of idiocy i expect from thermaltake

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I had a mate send in an MSI gpu that came with a preinstalled waterblock for RMA, and got back one with an AIO, which MSI refused to exchange

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Hm.

restive garnet Oct 7, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Was really funny at the time, but in retrospect, fuck MSI

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I saw the laptop thing from Hardware Unboxed

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Or hang on that was Asus not MSI

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Well whatever fuck that laptop too PirateSimon

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Sapphire or Powercolor are the go to for AMD cards

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Me with my 580 Pulse that's had no issues PirateSimon

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How has the memory failed on every single one? ConfusedUlf

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It isn't impossible but staggeringly unlikely for each card to be lemons because of the memory

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I can understand the 5600 though since that was a shitshow with the spec changing

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Oh it was a used card?

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Eh what were the replacements though, brand new or refurbished ones?

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 8:29 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrLNnL

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Any recommendations?

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Bro, I was gonna add more

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Are you planning to put a rabbit in there too?

void perch Oct 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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odd portalBOT Oct 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548486572811747328/747581149034840074/umm_wait_meme.jpeg

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Do you have some of these parts already?

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Cause there's a newer version of that PSU for less, I think the one linked there is old stock https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Y66Mp/corsair-rm-2019-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020195-na

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Well it seems it's planning the build before the GPU is added

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Though Zen 3 might be worth waiting for too

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The event for it is tomorrow

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We'll know how well it performs then, and then it's launching in a week

eternal cairn Oct 7, 2020, 8:37 PM

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4.8 GHz single-core speed would be amazing.

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 8:37 PM

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On paper they're claiming 4.9

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At least going by those Korean leaks or whatever

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The single core speed isn't the big deal though, the modified CCX structure and unified cache is most important

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Because that is what will reduce the latency, and pretty much close the latency advantage Intel has

eternal cairn Oct 7, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I mean, I guess to most people, what matters is the small FPS boost and effect on loading times in games.

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Hm.

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Oh wait, idk how a rabbit made it into my build

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That is gonna go with a gtx 1050

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 9:21 PM

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1050?

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Backup card I guess? phaWesker

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Nah, my main

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I only want to play Cyberpunk

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No raytracing

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Oh yeah you wanted to get the 3080 but that didn't work out huh?

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yeah, don't want to have to wait

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Wait for AyyMD cards den

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See if NoVideo can't compete with em

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Idk, I don't like AMD

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 10:45 PM

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It'll compete, they'll just cost more and use more energy PirateSimon

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 10:46 PM

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AMDs branding is just red and boring, but Nvidia has cool green and black

vapid crypt Oct 7, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Put em together, then it's Christmas phaWesker

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Seriously though, branding and presentation while important it isn't my concern. As long as there's good performance for the money I'm good

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Keep in mind if you get Zen3 that is the. Last CPU coming out for AM4

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I WOULD ALSO go with an Arctic AIO 240 instead of that one. Better performance and 60 cheaper

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Plus I would go with the X570 Chipset and take advantage of the PCI-E 4.0 lanes

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ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

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G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-2133 CL15 Memory

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:02 PM

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The only thing I would really take into fact is how good the drivers are ( 5700XT nightmare still continues to this day ), what it's performance is, what the price per frame is, and what feature it has

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Most features you'll probably never use except for RT kek

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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The only thing I take into fact is how absolutely banging my graphics and framerate are

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Lame

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Kind of what I just said nonetheless

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The only thing I would really take into fact is how good the drivers are ( 5700XT nightmare still continues to this day ), what it's performance is, what the price per frame is, and what feature it has

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what it's performance

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Damn, shitty English

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it's

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Lian Li O11 Dynamic is cool

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XL is cool too, but only value is for great watercooling possibilities

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Otherwise it's dumb

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:06 PM

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My next build is foing to be in that case with a custom loop

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Sounds like it'll be cool

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What's the color scheme?

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:06 PM

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It's still really good if you use an AIO

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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White/black? PirateSimon

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Whatever happened to having full pink smh

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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I bet your have Red GPU 💩

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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No, my GPU is black

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Red brand hah

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Twen tee sev en tee sooo per

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Not sure yet, my last build was for my daughter and it was RGB through the ass, as well as turtles laser etched on the side panel

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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I must get myself a monitor for it though

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RGB through the ass

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Full of pink

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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6 rgb fans

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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What'd be cool would be going for a black/silver color scheme

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Or Silver/black

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But silver similar colors I find is usually are pipes for custom waterloops

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I like red/black but I am gonna play it by ear

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Red/black or black/red is a great color scheme

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Kind of overused though kek

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But then again, most colors are overused

jade surge Oct 7, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I dont know black/hot pink is not seen at all

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Well that's true

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But again, most easy to get colors are overused

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kek

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What I'd really would love to go for is like a really good color that includes a good shade of light blue, a not too obnoxious pink, etc.

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For the RGB mostly, if I wanted to do it

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Some of the builds using those colors are so really well done, but it's tough to do it

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20201008-001722_YouTube.jpg

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Look at this bad boy

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Pure milk watercooling

fleet canopy Oct 7, 2020, 11:23 PM

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ATI

void perch Oct 7, 2020, 11:26 PM

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smh why not chocolate or strawberry

honest sparrow Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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imagine after you use it a bit and it gets all curdled 😻

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Mmmm buttery

void perch Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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can we just like delete this

nimble anvil Oct 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I know it's sometimes hard to accept innovation.

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Tasty

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 12:35 AM

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The live page for the Ryzen 5000 announcement is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuiO6rqYV4o

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15 hours 👀

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 1:16 AM

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12PM EST

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Now if I can manage to wake up earlier than that

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:17 AM

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That's 9AM in my time. I definitely won't be awake before then. 😆

proper wren Oct 8, 2020, 2:26 AM

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MSI Smh

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Making a water-cooled desktop would be my dream.

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But I like saving money, so it's probably not gonna happen.

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 2:37 AM

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You could just get an AIO

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For 70$

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Actually, never mind. I remembered the hassle of custom loops.

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Oh, I see

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It's either expensive or not depending what it'll be

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Still quite expensive honestly, more expensive than an AIO

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Unless there's literally a custom loop done in 150-200$

lilac geyser Oct 8, 2020, 2:43 AM

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if you write code by randomly changing things until it works right, that is considered bad practice

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but if you write a program to randomly change it for you until it works then its called machine learning and pays 4x salary

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:44 AM

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That's actually funny.

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Hah

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Why do it when the AI can do it

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:45 AM

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"AI".

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Eh, kind of AI for me

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AI that looks for problems and fixes it

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 2:45 AM

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console.log("YAY!") 
} else {
i++;
}```

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There's my machine learning. Now give me money.

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Ok here's 1$

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20201007-234855_Instagram.png

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:48 AM

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HEE HEE HOO HAA HEE

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Ok.

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What the fuck is Razer thinking now? @abstract kite

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Are they trying to make a fucking community out of full on Razer shit?

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Its for Singapore only

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Yeah but like

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Why?

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Can I not post it and laugh at them?

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:51 AM

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1% cashback tho

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Seems pretty good ngl

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Fucking holy shit

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Some guy told me beta testers get 10% cashback

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"Dominate with the only card that offers 1% cashback on all your purchases
Be phenomenal with up to 5% cashback for RazerStore and Razer Gold purchases—and up to 10% cashback during the Card Beta
Wield the winning edge with no minimum spend and no cashback cap"

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This is actually pretty great

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Don't care if it's a fucking meme, this is legit good

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Sucks it's only Singapore

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Soon

clear quartz Oct 8, 2020, 6:44 AM

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yeah

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 7:32 AM

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📎 p0xvc89c4rr51.png

eternal cairn Oct 8, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Is that a PC?

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It looks sorta like a vending machine.

bright shard Oct 8, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Push button receive ~~bacon~~ air

wise pumice Oct 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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That pc looks like it powers optimus prime

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 12:56 PM

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that is a very large pc

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my question is what specs.......?

old patrol Oct 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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It's got 10 fans

jade ermine Oct 8, 2020, 1:30 PM

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@fleet canopy oh my goood i remember watching that brazilian dude overclock his 2600K

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his friend had even more ridiculous pc

jade ermine Oct 8, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Mama Su coming in hot with new CPU's

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I don't see a countdown

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 4:17 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuiO6rqYV4o

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Well I'm already late

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Fuck it

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Just going to wait for reviewers like GN to tell me all about it

clear quartz Oct 8, 2020, 4:20 PM

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seems like some good stuff

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Jesus, $800?

clear quartz Oct 8, 2020, 4:27 PM

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brah 88 fps on 4k for cod, how much was it for Nvideas?

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 4:28 PM

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The new CPU looks really good

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Borderlands 3 isn't that hard to run tbh

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Yeah, was like they half assed it

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The CPUs look good though

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Did they say a price for the GPU?

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I didn't see

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Oh thanks

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I don't know how I missed that

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 4:32 PM

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I would rather just get the 5700XT

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For like $300

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:32 PM

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They're decent for a mid range build

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yeah the teaser doesn't build confidence

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But I'm glad they did tease something

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We have framerates, so that's legit concrete info

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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That price is pretty crazy

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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We just don't know what this card is

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Oh wait, that's for the GPU lol

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Thought it was $800 for the CPU

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:34 PM

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No that's the CPU yeah phaWesker

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Oh shit, I'm confusing myself

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:34 PM

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We don't know price or any other info for the graphics card

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Just framerates at 4k in a number of games

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I kinda doubt that's the alleged 80CU card though

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I think that's gonna be the surprise on the 28th

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I might just go with Intel for the CPU now

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Sure, it's a bit pricey

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They've proven amazing performance to justify a price hike, as much as I don't like it

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Though tbf they only barely beat Intel from the looks of it

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So for value it's kinda trash

restive garnet Oct 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I saw it ckming, but i think they need to keep the pressure up

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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They want better margins

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It is what it is

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3900X is looking tasty though

#

PirateSimon

restive garnet Oct 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Looking at the last HEDT chips, price/performance was near identical both sides

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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They probably went through a bunch of games to find the best one's that work for their CPUs. So those results were likely the best performance you're gonna see with their CPUs

restive garnet Oct 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Amd made intels 10980 look like a little bitch tho

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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They did toss in BFV which was less favorable

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-3% compared to the 10900K

#

Probably not worst case, but that's not something Intel would usually show you

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:40 PM

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So the leaks were BS. But they still did decently

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:41 PM

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If it's like -3 to -5% worse at like 1080p sometimes

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That's not horrible

old patrol Oct 8, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Why don't I see GTFO in there

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yeah look at Ashes it's only a 5% increase

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The leak suggested like 20%

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So that was highly exaggerated maybe compared to a stock intel chip

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All I know is Intel can't claim to be king at gaming anymore

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Not until maybe whatever the push out next?

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I don't expect 11th gen to be a big changer

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Oh yeah, so those results aren't with a fully overclocked 10900k

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:42 PM

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The one AMD showed or the earlier leak or whatever?

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Isn't 11th gen going to be mobile cpus?

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:43 PM

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No It's for desktop yeah

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They're taking Tiger Lake and porting it to 14nm for Desktop

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Ah okau

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I saw a lot of budget gamers disappointed in the live chat

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:44 PM

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They shouldn't be, when Zen 2 starts going on sale

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That's what I care about hahaha

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:44 PM

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They were expecting $10 CPUs with the performance of a 10900k

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:44 PM

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They were expecting 20 - 30% better than intel for the same price or whatever

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Now we just have to wait for September 28th for the GPU reveal

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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The results are disappointing only because the leaks raised the hype so much

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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So I'm hearing the 3080 is doing like 59FPS at 4k for Borderlands 3 while the alleged RDNA 2 card is doing 61 according to their numbers anyway

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yes you do

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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It's really just the price

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yes you do

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Nah, the results are good. Just not as good as the leaks, that's all

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Well right now, they are unrivaled by Intel

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I think it may be a bad thing if AMD push for the very top more than giving more performance for price

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That's why people love AMD

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:48 PM

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When Intel has something that's legitimately better at everything or well competitive anyway

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Then the prices are going to suck

#

AMD has put their stuff on sale consistently though, I hope that trend will continue

#

Intel like never did

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So you know the 1800X was 499 you remember that?

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They dropped it to like 429 in two weeks cause no one was buying it phaWesker

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Intel always find a way to just slightly be on top with gaming. But they fuck you up with the price. Probably gonna see $1000 cpus from next gen lol

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Last gen CPUs look like a much better deal for low and mid range builds

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I'm not sure why they wouldn't keep the 5600X at 249 though

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:51 PM

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How much is it now?

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:51 PM

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And no non X model as I expected

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299

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Eh, not too bad I suppose

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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That's the catch though, most people buying Ryzen 5s were getting them for around 200

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The 3600 was 199 on launch

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So it is basically a $100 increase

#

It's intel pricing pretty much, cause the 10600K is around 289 299 or whatever

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:54 PM

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So they're basically Intel now lol

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:54 PM

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But better performance everywhere else phaWesker

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Better but not by much

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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For a lot more money

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I'm unsure which to go with now

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Yeah for the Ryzen 7 and 9s

#

Uh actually for the 5900X it's a wash

#

You get two more cores for like $50 more?

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I may just get a 10700k and overclock it.

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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How much is that like $380?

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Even a 10600k can beat a 10900k with overlooking. Although that's just in gaming

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Yeah the 10700K is the better deal then

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It's $380 right now

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If the 5800X was $400

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Yeah, might just go with that. Although I'll wait until I get my 3080 to make a final decision

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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It would be a toss up

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But they had to increase the price

#

I dunno I think they have to lower the price after launch

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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AMD have crazy performance for workstations though

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Like the 1800X

#

It looks like they just want gamers buying Zen 2

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Even though the gaming performance is superior with Zen 3, with the price hike it isn't worth it for most people

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Yeah, seems like they are doing it to show Intel that they can lol

#

When's 11th gen supposed to be unveiled?

#

Yeah, Zen 2 seems like the best option for most gamers

#

Maybe zen 3 is gonna make a lot of Intel buyers think about moving to AMD though

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Hmm okay so the 3080 averages 70FPS on Borderlands 3 at 4k

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Especially for top end builds

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Oh, so better then

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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9fps difference if we're to trust AMD

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Stutter is part of the experience

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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That's the way it is

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Don't know how polished the driver is as well

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The current AMD drivers probably aren't fully supporting RDNA 2

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And we don't know if they're using a beta driver

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Idk if they can compete with the 3070 though

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Ah so

#

The 3080 is averaging 85FPS at Modern Warfare

#

The RX 6000 is averaging 88

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Well, if the 3070 is even accessible for a year after launch

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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This is at 4k Ultra

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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That's pretty good

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Yeah it's a give and take

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We don't know what this card is though exactly

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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But I suppose it will differ quite a bit between games

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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That's a decent result

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They at least have something around the same performance to the 3080

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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They're going to show best case scenarios though so we'll have to see in the real benchmarks

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Well it's only 3 results

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We'll know more on the 28th

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The other is Gears 5 at 73FPS

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Don't know what the 3080 is doing at that

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I'll stick with Nvidia for my GPU, but definitely considering AMD for the CPU

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Oh I found a result, 84fps

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Oh wait that's on High?

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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84 for the 3080?

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I got that one from Techpower up so I'm not certain now

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Because "haha nvidia specific settings benchmark" similar to 3090

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Doesn't say if it's ultra or high

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Probably ultra

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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It might be running high

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Idk why they would choose high

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Because again

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Because "haha nvidia specific settings benchmark" similar to 3090
@fleet canopy

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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But high is for suckers

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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NVIDIA is a sucker

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I disagree

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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lole

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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High is for performance, Ultra is for screenshots

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Go ultra or go home

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Nah, I actually prefer low

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Seriously, I have a buddy that's the same

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Plays everything at low to max frames

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Low, 420p with anti aliasing is the best

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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That's a good meme

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Tbh, low is best for competitive games

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Low settings is great for the people wanting FPS anyways, he probably plays competitive

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Although I'd much rather play high at 144fps if I can

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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There is like, "competitive" settings, which is a customized settings list specifically chosen by people for the ultra competitive settings but idk

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I enjoy a good competitive game, but I don't want it to look ugly

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Maybe I'm not competitive enough

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I don't have what it takes to be an ESport man

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Eh, it's really because performance

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I played Siege last night, and I swore it used to run at like 150-200FPS but it actually runs 100FPS

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Maybe it has been the whole time, just never knew it lmao

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Come to find out you have a 60hz monitor

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Yeah, but doesn't make a difference what FPS my GPU is drawing

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Maybe the VRAM is using up more than I think, idk

merry bay Oct 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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people go for competitive settings because sudden framedrops are a lot more common with higher settings. If that were to happen in a tense moment. smash

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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But even Siege shouldn't take more 6GB

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I guess so

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I also assumed because they wanted to keep the 0.1-0.01% lows much more higher

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I thought Siege used like 12gb

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Siege shouldn't still

merry bay Oct 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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and during the framedrop your mouse movement sometimes skips a few inputs. Going by muscle memory it's extremely frustrating to miss over a stutter

nimble anvil Oct 8, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I enjoy stutter

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More immersive

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Immersive if you're comparing the experience of being clubbed on the head and trying to walk around after phaWesker

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:27 PM

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So wait

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Will older CPU's not be supported anymore?

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Such as the Ryzen 5-7

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Or the B450 Boards?

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I'm not sure what you're asking

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Okay let me send the video

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https://youtu.be/n-AanO3Axzk?t=840

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14:13

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Ah I see, yeah that's an old chat, B550 doesn't support anything older than Zen 2 pretty much

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I mean will it be fine to use though with just Zen 2 like a Ryzen 5-7 CPU's?

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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B550 and X570 will support Zen 2 yeah

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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On what?

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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afaik X570 will support Zen 3, but B550 won't

abstract kite Oct 8, 2020, 5:32 PM

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On a B450-550, Ect.

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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B550 will support Zen 3 what? phaWesker

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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None of the 400 series mobo will support Zen 3

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Well Steve says it in the video

fleet canopy Oct 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Idk I haven't checked B550 info in a long time

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lol

vapid crypt Oct 8, 2020, 5:33 PM

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There will be beta bios for 400 chipsets in January

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For select boards

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So not technically true, but it is kind of a pain in the ass