Probably costed them a lotta blenders though
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
proper wren
fiery panther
Luckily I have an RX590
proper wren
I'm still gonna wait for rdna2
fiery panther
For what?
Bro, I want new DNA
Nice, DNA
I'm turning into a ghoul already
You mean my face?
Aight bro
Done
Nah
I'm so sleep deprived and addicted to dubstep that my brain dies
fleet canopy
lol
vapid crypt
I wonder how well the market will react to RDNA2
It all depends on the reviews, I know most people are largely underestimating it and will not bother looking at it so
Considering they're gonna have more stock at least based on what they've said, and everyone wants Nvidia instead there's a good chance of getting a card from AMD on launch
Maybe not the best idea granted, considering the 3080 launch has been plagued with driver and hardware problems; could be similar on AMD's end. Granted I hope not
fleet canopy
Only the AMD diehards will overestimate it or at least be right
jade ermine
im more excited about zen3 than rdna2
fleet canopy
Yeah, I can understand that haha
jade ermine
totally not biased saying that with 3080 ordered
fleet canopy
But more likely I just want AMD to succeed in RDNA2 because it'd mean NVIDIA will cri and release another 500$ GPU that's the performance of a 3090 but better
lole
jade ermine
Yus
fleet canopy
As well as I'm interested in going full red
jade ermine
Zen3 for christmas present ❤️
fleet canopy
kek
restive garnet
so i was planning out my server on pcpartpicker
and apparently its gunna cost me over 100k
fleet canopy
Mm, maybe cut on the motherboard a bit
fleet canopy
kek
lilac geyser
i wonder just how badly nvidia wanted to be first to market
fleet canopy
So bad
That everything they'll release will be utter shit
Maybe the 3070 will be fine
But other than that
restive garnet
Not exactly tech talk, so remove if not allowed
apparently a bunch of guys in new york set up a mancave beneath the subway
fleet canopy
Kek
restive garnet
complete with wall mounted tv, fridge, couches, workout equipment
absolute mad cunts
vapid crypt
There's a TV, tech enough for me 
jade surge
well, as far as the new 30 series boards it seems the AIB manufacturers were trying to cut costs on the capacitors and that was causing issues.
although I think Nvidia wanted to be first to market at any cost and it just might cost them
eternal cairn
Greed triumphs almost all the time.
It would be so great if AMD gave Nvidia the clap this generation.
fiery panther
Yea
eternal cairn
I know they aren't, but it would be nice.
eternal cairn
A suffocating bear hug.
fiery panther
Yes
abstract kite
So its hilarious that those Scalpers have mass bought defective cards.
merry bay
nothing changes for the scalpers though 
they will sell anyway, maybe not for the insane 10-100k but the crash issue doesn't affect them one bit
fleet canopy
Yeah
I imagine most of the scalpers are pretty dumb when it comes to tech, so they'll have no clue that it's now a pretty bad investment atm
Maybe it'll get fixed pretty soon with how the AIBs are having problems, but idk
abstract kite
I doubt they will fix them.
vapid crypt
As we've seen the same applies to Nvidia 
You guys aren't entirely confident about AMD, and I totally understand that. But what defines "clapping" Nvidia, cause as far as I'm concerned even if they're a bit slower than the 3080 they're still a winner just because of efficiency and price. Like I see the top card being around 280W with a LOT of OC overhead, unlike the 3080 and 3090. Which means via overclocking I mean who knows how well it will scale, but it will close the gap hard I'm pretty sure.
Only other thing maybe is software suite and how it compares to Nvidia I guess
So there's that 
I know you are, but that's the general consensus with Radeon group
Since they've been taking Ls since 2015
Well in the high end at least
fleet canopy
Yeah, I expect AMD to give us a pretty good GPU that doesn't take a shit on people even if it means sacrificing a small amount of performance which won't matter
vapid crypt
The only thing they're losing at is stuff like DXR performance, and maybe where DLSS is relevant, but I mean if AMD has something similar that is practically universal then
abstract kite
Yeah, I expect AMD to give us a pretty good GPU that doesn't take a shit on people even if it means sacrificing a small amount of performance which won't matter
@fleet canopy
Should we speak of the 5700XT?
fleet canopy
That's a different thing
abstract kite
Its AMD though
vapid crypt
Considering they aren't rushing this launch and actually have the resources in software, I wouldn't expect that to happen again
vapid crypt
I mean listen I could be wrong and wouldn't be surprised, but it can't be worse than the Ampere launch
Even the Turing launch was objectively worse than Navi 1
fleet canopy
If AMD takes their time and get things ready, it'll obliterate NVIDIA for not potentially bricking everyone's build and having problems with it
vapid crypt
Well by the time there's enough supply, that shouldn't be happening anymore
fleet canopy
Yeah, maybe
vapid crypt
It's a rare issue as it is cause hardly anyone has a card at this point
I heard there's a little as 2000 worldwide
abstract kite
AMD Drivers was pretty shaky. I don't have much faith, but I know they will make a hardware stable components.
vapid crypt
I'm not sure if that's true, but if it is holy shit
fleet canopy
I believe it's only the AIBs getting fucked up like that
The FE however is perfectly fine apparently
vapid crypt
Yeah the AIBs skimped on capacitors
So when you try pushing the clockspeeds, it crashes everything
The most problem I had with AMD drivers was occaisonal blackscreens in fullscreen apps, fixed with a restart. And trying to play Nioh for a while that game kept crashing
I got the game when it was buggy with the drivers, tbh that's partially a developer problem though
abstract kite
I use to Blue Screen, Black Screen. constantly with AMD Drivers
AMD has come a long way.
vapid crypt
I see RDNA1 as the beta, and it's no surprise as a new architecture is going to have a lot of issues without widespread testing; which unfortunately can only be done by getting cards in consumer's hands. I would say the same thing about Turing, except with how they've botched Ampere launch Its kind of hard to say that
fleet canopy
I mean, Turing wasn't rushed was it?
vapid crypt
I don't think so
Honestly most of the problems have been because of AIB's
Like its no different with AMD, like how you had Asus cards failing to cool memory. I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to reports of failure of the 5700 cards
It seems with Nvida its FE or bust on launch, then wait for AIBs to get their shit together, then AMD avoid the shit out of Asus and try to get a Sapphire card
jade surge
Guys, I just ran into someone I know got screwed. Some guy sold him a rig withan I5-7600 and an RX-580 and he sold him the rig for 900
vapid crypt
They did surprise with the Asus TUF 3080
fleet canopy
Hm, what's wrong with that?
vapid crypt
Wow
vapid crypt
4c/4t, 3 yr old mid-rangeish GPU that's used, that's like a $400 PC I guess now?
fleet canopy
kek yeah
vapid crypt
I have that GPU its good, I got it for $170 brand new last year.
abstract kite
They did surprise with the Asus TUF 3080
@vapid crypt
Was it a TUF launch?
jade surge
@eternal cairn We really don't know much about RDNA2. All we know is that Nvidia underwhelmed a lot of people and they duped there fanboys into thinking the 3090 was actually worth the price
abstract kite
vapid crypt
Its been a TUF launch
Just in general
But the TUF stood out as the one good AIB card
jade surge
If AMD matches the 2080TI in performance or maybe 10% faster with at least $150-$200 cheaper that will be a win in my book
vapid crypt
They can do that, but that will be in the midrange
I think the most important thing too is that they will also be significantly more efficient in the entire stack
This means better overclock potential, and not having to worry about getting a $200 power supply so your computer doesn't die
But that only applies in the high end
abstract kite
Only a $200 PSU?
vapid crypt
I mean yeah I guess only
A small price to pay for a $1500 GPU if you really need that
jade surge
the GPU is still decent for playing games but the CPU is old tech and there are cheaper Ryzen chips that out perform it
vapid crypt
Yeah those old locked i5s aren't that great anymore
abstract kite
I'd get the Ryzen 5 3600X. That little beast of a CPU.
vapid crypt
Since we've been talking about RDNA 2, alleged performance claims for RX 6000 here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6J3iYFqNA
jade surge
The guy said he was gonna be charged 900 bucks and I sent him a parts list of a really good rig and he still went with the other guy. Now he is having drivers issues and slow as hell boot times
vapid crypt
Yeah I wouldn't doubt that the previous owner did not clean everything up and reinstall stuff
jade surge
he said that the guy built the system. And now the guy won't even bother to come and help fix the disaster
vapid crypt
Probably slapped everything together and installed the OS, didn't do anything else
jade surge
I tried to help him. Now I have to help un fuq the system
I b uilt that for my daughter
fleet canopy
Superior gaming PC compared to what the "guy" has kek
But an AIO?
Unless it's cheaper than I think, it seems a bit silly getting an AIO for a Ryzen 1600AF if it's not doing some kind of OC
jade surge
I have it OC to 4.2Ghz and the AIO was 100 bucks
the AF was like getting the 2600 but for cheaper
the 1600AF is a beast of a little chip
vapid crypt
I have my 2600 at 4Ghz cause it was easy enough to do at 1.3v, and with the decent cheap tower cooler I'm using. Gammaxx 400 is really good for the money would have to push 1.4v for 4.2Ghz and I'm not entirely confident with the cooler at that voltage
Eh maybe 1.35v would do it, but as it is not every chip is the same so
eternal cairn
I hope I can manage to snag a 3070 when preorders launch before all the scalpers get to it.
jade surge
I am waiting until AMD releases their cards before I make a choice
Plus, I have the 1660ti and I can get 75=+ FPS at 1080p with no problem. So I aint in a hurry
I got 4.2 with 1.35V no problem and the thermals are actually really good with the Arctic 240 AIO so I won't go any hotter than 65 C with sustained use
vapid crypt
I want a cooler upgrade before pushing for 4.2, even if honestly it won't give much better performance. Could make the difference with a more powerful GPU though I dunno, gotta go for a nicer monitor too to justify that
jade surge
eternal cairn
Are those 24G2's or 27G2's?
jade surge
they are the Acer XF27oH models
XF270H
but I am gonna have to get new monitors to either 1440 or 4k
jade surge
I am gonna wait for Black Fridazy to get new monitors
dense wasp
neat
vapid crypt
I'm waiting for 1440p to get cheaper
It'll blue screen before that ever happens
Oh not at all, if anything that's optimistic
I have enough faith in the card to tell the power supply to shut everything down before it dies
Or the Os to save the day even
vapid crypt
I mean I had some bad Blue screen troubles shortly after making my PC last year
fiery panther
How much in total
vapid crypt
I didn't keep track
fleet canopy
Going up to like 2-4ms shouldn't be the same price as 1ms
eternal cairn
I'll stick with 1080p gaming.
vapid crypt
But long story short it was 3 weeks of me not knowing what the fuck was going on
fleet canopy
Even if it's advertised bullshit
fiery panther
I have had over a few hundred, in like a year
vapid crypt
Until I eventually figured it had something to do with the memory, ended up replacing the motherboard thinking that was the issue
fiery panther
200-300 isn't a crazy bet
vapid crypt
Turns out it might have been me being dumb cause I had the RAM installed in the wrong channels, so the memory was being rejected by the motherboard
Or at least that's what I think was the issue
No real blue screens since then though
eternal cairn
☝️
vapid crypt
There's a certain point past 400hz where I really don't think we could possibly benefit from going that high
eternal cairn
At least with 240hz, you'll be future-proofed for a long time.
vapid crypt
That's kind of based on something my buddy told me, he's autistic so I believe it
Ah yes Gay, the artist formerly known as Puppy Mayo
eternal cairn
Honestly, framerate only matters if you're playing at ultra high sensitivity or other very uncommon scenarios in games.
And from what I've heard, most "pro" players play on a fairly low sensitivity.
vapid crypt
It depends on the game
But most default sensitivity settings are fine with me, and it works good with the relatively high DPI I go with
fleet canopy
I use 750DPI
Low DPI just makes aiming easier and smoother, so you're more accurate
But high DPI with games like Siege, don't expect to perform too well
Unless you mastered it enough
But still
:(
lol
Just increase ingame sense then
I use 750DPI with 10 sense ingame
ol
And it's fast enough for me
vapid crypt
Makes sense for Sniping I guess, but as a Heavy/Medic main I don't know much of that
You don't want low DPI for Heavy I'll tell you what
I have a toggle for 400dpi
I don't know if that's a good idea
But I have to experiment
fleet canopy
I use 750DPI all the time kek
lole
You're just mad you can't aim and kill me with your 4000DPI 😎
fleet canopy
People that use mousepad in FPS games are pros
vapid crypt
I don't think they make these anymore, basically you don't move the mouse around you just roll the ball to move the cursor if you've never used one before
fleet canopy
Yeah
Most mobile people are pretty meh
Funny
Siege decided to crash on me
But it never crashed in the particular way it did now
Monitor went black for like a second
Then for some reason EGS loaded up
And then I open up Siege, it comes white and crashes a moment later
How come?
Guess so, idk if uplay shows crash report or anything like it
fierce frost
Im an idiot, that PC i was building and didnt work for the past 3 months, i figured out why it wasnt working
I thought the front panel connectors went onto a completely different header
To be fair, the connector i thought was for the power reset and all that, was sandwiched between the front panel USB and Audio
restive garnet
happens to the best of us
i mean, literally happened to me a few weeks ago, and ive been building computers for years
abstract kite
Im an idiot, that PC i was building and didnt work for the past 3 months, i figured out why it wasnt working
@fierce frost
At least you connected yours. The first build I did I didn't even bother xD
Was wondering why it wasn't coming on lol.
fierce frost
a h
lovely
the thing is, both connectors had the same layout, with pin 10 missing, and both were labeled the same apart from 1 letter
fleet canopy
I'm pretty sure that the most I'll forget to do with building PCs is turning on the PSU first before turning on the PC expecting to boot
Then freak out until I realize it's thePSU
fierce frost
yeah ive had bad luck with PSUs in the past
vapid crypt
Yes, certainly possible. Though he specifically meant flipping the power switch on the Unit
Easy to forget and think something's wrong
fleet canopy
jade surge
That was an awesome project they did
fleet canopy
"Can you believe it took me three years to get a sponsor for this?"
jade surge
Hey, persistence pays out
@fierce frost I have never had that issue just because I check manual since most MOBO makers always try to reinvent the wheel
fierce frost
yea i checked it too
but
failed to realise the connector was labelled JPF2 and the motherboard manual said JPF1
so thats fun
jade surge
@fierce frost it's fine as long as nothing was fried
vapid crypt
fierce frost
cant wait to upgrade my 1060
Replying to https://ptb.discordapp.com/channels/408196129470152705/584808651164745809/759846018669477919
and no nothing was fried, just need to get win10 on it and should be all good to go
after 4 months smh
vapid crypt
People are saying the 3080 will destroy it? Based on what?
Most of these 3080s can't even sustain a 2Ghz+ clockspeed without crashing
fleet canopy
How does having 7 less tflop makes it a GPU that'll lose
vapid crypt
Oh so the writer is basing it on the premise that > Tflop# means it won't be any good
fleet canopy
"result in shader performance of around 22.5 TFLOPs -- which means it'll lose in a big way against NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 3080 which has 29.8 TLFOPs"
vapid crypt
But you literally can't compare Tflops between architectures
fleet canopy
It literally says that 7 tflop less = Fucking crappy
vapid crypt
It's a shaky premise, cause the thing is the only reason the TFLOPs are so much higher with Ampere is because they doubled shaders per SM
Though they are slower shaders in general
Like each Ampere shader is technically slower than each turing shaders in terms of clockspeed
fleet canopy
"Tom’s observes that single-precision performance for Navi 21 hits 22.5 Tflops, which is certainly an impressive figure on the face of it, although it does fall considerably behind the RTX 3080 at 29.8 Tflops. This hardly represents the full picture when it comes to performance in actual gaming, though, and of course Big Navi has the RTX 3070 beat (at 20.4 Tflops)."
vapid crypt
Ampere looks like it does compute extraordinarily well because of this
fleet canopy
At least Techradar wasn't so much like the other one
vapid crypt
But basing game performance, which technically they don't talk about game performance here but its inherently implied when talking about graphics cards
It just doesn't make sense
Like the Vega 64 has over 13TFLOPs at FP32
The 1080 is like what... 9.75 TFLOPs at FP32
And they're pretty much the same performance
Like the Vega 64 just barely matched the 1080
proper wren
fleet canopy
Secksy
vapid crypt
What's the 1080Ti at? 11ish TFLOPs?
And it blazes past the Vega 64 despite the lower TFLOP count
Whoever wrote this is dumb
fleet canopy
They're console players
eternal cairn
I mean, that's like 90% of PC enthusiasts.
fleet canopy
That's just addiction though
vapid crypt
Yet he can't understand that FP32 performance doesn't matter relative to game performance, well when comparing different architectures anyhow
vapid crypt
People are pretty surprised by the 80CU card reaching over 2Ghz boosts
fleet canopy
And you can see like 400 other stuff that's not regularly seen in a house
vapid crypt
Everyone thought that was only gonna be seen in the middle and lower
fleet canopy
He said any employee that tried to buy the 3080 for themselves would get fucked or something kek
vapid crypt
Is that why he's waiting for RDNA 2, so there's stock available to buy
Some people are theorizing that the supply issues regarding Ampere will suddenly be fine post RDNA 2 announcement
Since Nvidia is playing Greed chess
Throwing their customers to the scalping sharks or having them fight the bots
vapid crypt
Oooh
So the 40CU Navi card is said to have 12.8 Tflops cause of its up to 2.5Ghz boost. Assuming it can reach that, it would put it in the ballpark of the Xbox Series X in terms of performance
We can compare them since they're the same architecture
fleet canopy
Yes
vapid crypt
Hmm
fleet canopy
But console people will always be like "hurr hurr xbox/ps5 more superior than your gee pee youuuuu which costs four million more than my PS5/Xbox"
vapid crypt
It might average a lower number, but yeah its fair to say that will provide next gen console level performance
As will the 3060Ti - 3070 and what not
fleet canopy
Speaking of console players, it reminds me of this one dude uhhh dunno who he's a youtuber
Kinda looks like Mark Ass Brownlee
From the uhhh
Youtube rewind thing
vapid crypt
He looks like MKBHD?
fleet canopy
He said he would upgrade to the 3080 or something
vapid crypt
Okay?
fleet canopy
However, he would only use it if his Xbox whatever stopped working for any reason : )
Because he wanted to "Support Microsoft"
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
Paying for a big amount on a PC that'll he use only a small amount of his time, probably never
vapid crypt
He can "support microsoft" by buying games through the Xbox app on Windows
I mean if he really wanted to, everyone knows Microsoft is making their money through Xbox Live subscriptions, Game pass and game purchases not the consoles themselves
fleet canopy
The people that say they have a GPU that's more powerful than what's in a playstation are usually people with a PC that have worse specs than a console
Both sides are just dumb pretty much
vapid crypt
If anything the consoles are more of a piece of marketing hardware as a vehicle for all of their game's and stuff
fleet canopy
Console? Plug n play until it crashes then do nothing about it because you barely know how
And try to get it repaired through Microsoft/Sony, and not get a working console
Only one I had was the 360
vapid crypt
Console players are starved for backwards compatibility, but that's something that while it is kind of a pain in the ass on PC; its far more common on PC
You know what I mean cause you can get a game off Steam or GOG that's like over 20 years old, and it'll work because of Dosbox or DirectX support
fleet canopy
The PC doesn't even have backward compatibility
I'm just waiting for the PC 2 which has backwards compatibility
vapid crypt
I mean moreso legacy support
Not so much backwards compatibility
Like with the Ps5 people wanted total backwards compatibility all the way back to Ps1
But that is just not happening
vapid crypt
They could do it, but its just not in their best interest
I would be for them making mini Ps3s or something equivalent that is literally that
Maybe put a better OS on it
More RAM and what not
Sure, there's a lot of games that work well via emulation but it isn't perfect for everything
Sure and the game
Like the Metal Gear Solid games don't run too well
Which I'm glad if those rumors about PC ports up to MGS4 are true
jade surge
If the rumors are true or even close to what they are saying then we may have a battle of the GPU's on our hands
Nvidia put together a great card but the AIB's are trying to go cheap
I think RDNA2 may be AMD's Turing and they will come close to catching up to Nvidia then RDNA3 may just be their Ampere
it took AMD a few generations of processors to catch up and beat Intel.
Now Intel is scared
vapid crypt
Eh, I wouldn't call it AMD's Turing... Unless they charge over a grand for their top card then sure we can go with that
I would compare it to Nvidia's Maxwell or possible Pascal considering Pascal was Maxwell on steroids
They're bringing efficiency with performance to match, that's Pascal to a tee
jade surge
touche, I will give you that
vapid crypt
Now mind you when I say compare it to Maxwell or Pascal I don't mean performance, but I mean performance/efficiency improvements
jade surge
Pascall and Maxwell definitely were great architectures. Hopefully RDNA2 and 3 are really good
vapid crypt
With Ampere, this is pretty much Fermi 2.0. But at least they have great coolers this time
jade surge
but if it turns out to be like the rumors are so far we will have one hell of a battle
the FE coolers are good but I just don't like the placement of the 12 pin connector
vapid crypt
It's there because they needed to go with a short PCB to make the flow-through design work
jade surge
the FE cards really do look nice. I am hoping AMD will possibly do crossfire again cause i want to design a cooling loop
and i like the dual card look
fierce frost
Yeah honestly that 12 pin is annoying
Ive seen some extend the connectors to the back of the card cause the PCB is so short compared to the cooler
I suppose Nvidia really couldn't do that if they wanted the cooling solution to have that rear fan though
vapid crypt
Hmm they did that with the 2060 and they're doing that with the quadros
fierce frost
Hmm
vapid crypt
Yeah I don't think the flow through design would work with what they need to put there to make a connector fit at the end
They're still putting it in the center with the 3070 even if they don't need to technically
fierce frost
Consistency ig
Was looking to upgrade to the 3070 but some of the AMD leaks make it seem worth it to wait, never really been team red for GPUs
vapid crypt
Oh I didn't notice the backplate of the 3070, it also has a flow through design
fierce frost
Oh?
fleet canopy
Eh, I think the backplate is different
fierce frost
Oh it do
vapid crypt
It has the exposed heatsink there
fierce frost
vapid crypt
For the air to flow through
vapid crypt
Its a design Sapphire and XFX has used before
fleet canopy
It looks like 70% just makes air travel through
vapid crypt
Typically by making the heatsink bigger than the pcb or if the pcb is just short
Like the Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 here
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
Think of that end as a heatsink on the CPU, a mass transferring heat
And then the fan blows air through the fins
eternal cairn
I hope AMD's new GPU is smaller than the 3080.
Their best shot is selling the same performance for a lower price and a smaller form factor.
If they manage to do that, it might actually shake up the GPU industry.
vapid crypt
Well we already know that's not really true, but considering recent leaks suggested a lower clocked Navi 21, well boost clock anyhow with a TDP on the chip of 200w
Maybe? Should be the full 80CUs too, not sure if its a case of them making a special high clock edition or not, but its a 38W difference so
Suggest 21a has a max clock of 2050Mhz with a power limit of 200W, and 21b has a max clock of 2200Mhz and a power limit of 238W
This is just the chip itself, so add about 50W for the memory and you might get a rough idea on the power draw of each card
eternal cairn
merry bay
vapid crypt
I'm just confused by this image
coral plume
merry bay
the 3080 sticker seems like a gag, but the flowers are either for a celebration or something you bring for apology bargaining when you know you're in trouble
fleet canopy
I don't remember anyone getting a GPU this big
It could just be the cooler for the GPU
Like 1/5 of it
vapid crypt
This guy got his hands on 4 3080s 
jade surge
if he did lets find him and jump him
vapid crypt
That box looks like it could fit about 4 retail GPU boxes anyway
fleet canopy
The dimensions look pretty damn big to be 4
void perch
nah that's just 1
vapid crypt
This guy calculated theoretical performance of RDNA 2 based on the most recent info we know about it now, don't take it as fact even if he does make fact statements though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9fm-z25KA
brisk badger
just create content, doesn't matter if it's right or wrong or if you just hypothesize or guess at this point. Just create content. Then also be mad at people running to empty the GPU shelves because of a stupid hype. Then realize you are part why people get hyped
jade surge
well, I like the looks of the info for RDNA2 on paper. I just can't wait until we actually see what it can do
brisk badger
i did not watch above video but for the rdna2 there is info floating around. Especially hints give the current console generations
jade surge
I am very intrigued to see if any of the leaks are true. So far the leaks I have been following have came true
vapid crypt
The recent reddit post is sourced from mac os drivers, so its certainly accurate
jade surge
yes that part is true, But I am interested in the performance
vapid crypt
The only performance leak is some random Chinese text when translated compared the top Navi cards to the 3090 and 3080. Whether or not it's real remains to be seen, everything else is educated speculation based on what's known regarding shader counts, clockspeeds and so on.
Since early this year AMD has said they've wanted to disrupt the 4k gaming market, and target double the performance of their 5700XT. Doubling 5700XT gives them enough to be competitive, whether or not they exceeded that target also remains to be seen.
jade surge
Plus, even though it looks great on paper we all know that it doesnt mean it translates perfectly to real world application
I am interested in seeing what they have similar to Ray Tracing and DLSS
vapid crypt
Yes, that's exactly what happened to Vega where it looked great on paper but it fell short of everything so
jade surge
vega may have faired better if they used GDDR5
vapid crypt
Since AMD is focusing on a gaming architecture this time though, I think we might see a role reversal as long as Nvidia continues developing these compute architectures that happen to do well at gaming
Eh I'm not sure about that, I think they needed the HBM to deal with power use
jade surge
well AMD showed us in the processor market that they can put out a fantastic product. Now let's see if the Radeon Division will do the same
vapid crypt
And when you overclock the memory and undervolt the core it helps alot actually
jade surge
I am really curious to see what this new architecture looks like
vapid crypt
We technically got a glimpse of it with RDNA 1, it's just they still used GCN instruction sets
For backwards compatibility I guess
jade surge
and Zen 3 is sounding like its going to be good as well
they may even take Intel on single core gaming finally
vapid crypt
Yeah it all points to them taking the total performance crown
The restructuring of the CCXs and CCDs is a major factor, not to mention IPC increases and clock speed increases
Gonna see 5Ghz on a single core at least, assuming that's true
jade surge
I think with AMD redesigning a GPU architecture from the floor up will get them at least in the right direction
vapid crypt
Its funny cause Nvidia went from a gaming architecture to a compute architecture, and AMD did the opposite
jade surge
I am definitely intrigued to see the Zen3 chips hit that high. Hopefully they don't have a large power draw
vapid crypt
They still have a compute architecture on the side, basically repurposing and rebranding GCN though
I think they're using 7nm+
That's probably the reason why they're even hitting higher clocks
jade surge
last time I read something I believe you are right AND it being 7nm
vapid crypt
Well not just 7nm but 7nm+ that's important, its an advanced version of the same node
jade surge
I think I read they are getting somewhere upwards to 85% yields
vapid crypt
I heard that a long time ago, well for 7nm in general
I'm pretty sure they're getting upwards of 95% yields
Well at least for Zen
Since they're using Chiplets
Yield rates change based on the size of the die, but yeah TSMC has great yields
Meanwhile Samsung's 8nm that Nvidia is using doesn't yield too great at all, especially with the massive 630mm2 dies their top cards are using
I think they have 85% yields, but that's with phone chips and stuff, you can bet the yields are far lower for a massive die like that
jade surge
I was gonna say, as far as Samsung yields are going I swore I read a report putting yields in the 60's
I bet Nvidia is steaming about not being able to get TSMC
vapid crypt
Yeah you know what you're right, cause I remember that now. I think I miss remembered the 85%
jade surge
AMD and TSMC are inseperable
vapid crypt
Might've been 65%
Eh yeah they basically only got what they could from TSMC and used it for their Server chips
GA100
jade surge
Samsung is getting higher yields for the phone chips cause they have had time to mature
I personally think Nvidia rushed to get something out. They should have waited another month and they would have had more product for release
Only thing that sucks is all the bots
vapid crypt
They also left their AIB's hanging, like even if its mostly their cards that are leading to crashing issues; it's still partially Nvidia's fault for not clarifying spec. Obviously that just proves this was rushed to "market"
You hate to see it
old patrol
damn
vapid crypt
We're coming in on the second week too
vapid crypt
That's Ebay
jade surge
@vapid crypt from what I hear Nvidia told the AIB's the capacitors they were using were fine. If Nvidia would have delayed launch a month to let AIB's test the boards I am sure they would have caught it
The Nvidia fanboys probably think it was an awesome launch
I would rather get kicked in the dip than deal with the launch
vapid crypt
I dunno if they're that delusional, but at the very least they're probably going something like this "Yeah, I wasn't able to get a 3080 or 3090 on launch and these other fanboys are waiting for PIG NAVI 😂 😂 😂 😂 AMDUMB has nothing LOL 😂"
-Some Nvidia Fanboy probably
jade surge
until he gets his 3080 and his rig melts. "Man, I must have done something wrong cause Nvidia would never sell me something terrible:
Ultimately I like who ever offers the better product and better5 price. I just tend to like AMD more because I don't have to spend large amounts of cash for an unlocked chip
as far as the GPU goes I will go either way. But I do miss the days when Radeon was top dogs with the HD5870 and 5970
vapid crypt
If there's one thing I can say positive about AMD GPUs is at least they give you the full die
You want a Full die for Nvidia you gotta spend thousands for a GA100 Server GPU
Not that it would be any good for games technically, I don't think they're built to support the same features you would expect from a gaming graphics card
jade surge
I agree
I have always rooted for AMD but I could never bring myself to buy one because they were not doing so well in the CPU department and the motherboard selection was crappy. Thankfully that has changed
vapid crypt
Since AMD's CPUs are doing so well, people are warming up to their GPUs. What you described is exactly accurate too, because of their horrendously outdated CPU architecture pre-2017 even if their GPUs were pretty decent for the money people were less likely to consider them because of this.
eternal cairn
Same, but only their GPUs for me.
I feel like people are actually starting to look at the raw data rather than biased reviews. I just never saw a reason to upgrade my CPU until the 3900 starting doubling Intel's c/t count.
jade surge
I just want the extra competition cause Nvidia has had a price war with themselves
vapid crypt
The only price war they had was in the Sub $300 space where they had 3 different versions of the 1660
jade surge
hell I get shit from a lot of people cause I built a rig around the R5 1600AF which is essentially the 2600
eternal cairn
If the 6700XT performs as well as the 3080 for the same price (and smaller size), I'd count it as a win.
vapid crypt
I don't think that card will be in the same space as the 3080 though
eternal cairn
3070?
jade surge
I think AMD will undercut the price just to get noticed
vapid crypt
It's going to be a 40CU card
eternal cairn
Oof.
vapid crypt
Uh hard to say how well it will perform honestly
Well people have speculated up to 30% more performance over the 5700XT?
jade surge
if anything competes with the 3080 it most definitely will be the 6900
eternal cairn
And the 2080TI is close to 3060 performance, supposedly.
Or maybe it was the 3060TI.
vapid crypt
What?
jade surge
like I have been saying. If AMD puts a card out that has 2080ti or 5-10 percent improved numbers with a lower price than the 3080 it will be a win
eternal cairn
I forget where I saw that, but someone was speculating the 3060(TI?) was going to be relative to the 2080TI in terms of performance.
vapid crypt
Hmm I dunno they say the 3070 is faster than the 2080Ti, but I doubt that's true in every case
jade surge
and thats what I have been reading about the 3070
vapid crypt
They're marketing an alleged performance increase, but I bet its only winning at RTX
jade surge
the 3070 should be roughly 2080ti performance
vapid crypt
Just like how they said "Up to 2x performance than the 2080" with the 3080
That was with RTX
At Minecraft
Amazing
jade surge
thats why I am curious what AMD has that will do ray tracing and DLSS
eternal cairn
Oh, AMD has DLSS?
jade surge
I like how Nvidia technically did not lie about the performance increase
vapid crypt
Well it isn't the same exact thing, but its similar
eternal cairn
Honestly, DLSS looked kinda shitty in some games.
jade surge
AMD has similar tech to DLSS and Ray Tracing
vapid crypt
Actually they kind of have something similar even now called Radeon Boost, I don't know if they're gonna expand on that or something
Make something better, cause AFAIK it isn't amazing
jade surge
they may include the capabilities in the instruction set within the architecture but will possibility expand it with improved driver support
eternal cairn
If their drivers are actually better than previous launches.
vapid crypt
They picked up a thing or two from Sony and Microsoft's engineers
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
That much I know
jade surge
I am pretty sure they learn a few new tricks while they were designing the chipsets for the consoles
vapid crypt
Mark Cerny said it himself, anything they develop can potentially be used in AMD's own architecture
jade surge
hopefully it directly translates over
Oh you heard that too
I kinda got tingly when I heard that
eternal cairn
Oh, that's neat. That takes their whole cooperative relationship to a whole new level.
Imagine Xbox and PS5 influencing-- oh, wait, they are.
vapid crypt
People have made this point before, but if the 3080 was on a 384-bit bus with 12Gb of 16gb/s GDDR6 it would have slightly more bandwidth than the 10gb of GDDR6X, 768Gb/s vs 760Gb/s
So they would have saved money on the memory, and have reduced power and heat outputs from that alone
fleet canopy
It has 8GB more 👀
vapid crypt
Yeah it's not much more, proves if they weren't skimping on the memory bus they could do it without needing insane cooling
jade surge
I wonder if the rumors are true about the 128mb of cache on the RDNA die
if that is true the performance gains might just be enough to pull ahead
256 bit memory interface with 128mb of cache might be really good
fleet canopy
It should be
Supposed to be similar to 384-bit with 6MB L3 cache apparently
It's also cheaper I guess, just to do that
fleet canopy
20 minute video about uhhh
Apple
Not the ass apple
I mean the Apple phone mac shitty company Apple
Although I do have to say, there's something similar about Apples and Apple
They're both kinda an ass, ngl
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Ugh yes
Give it to me
Reminds me there's a company that actually made(?) edible thermal paste
abstract kite
Can someone explain to me what on god's green earth does cpu culling workload means?
honest sparrow
based on my knowledge it's how much the gpu will offload work to the cpu
so if your cpu is way better than your gpu then make it higher
lilac geyser
culling seems like a poor choice of words
sounds like you are removing work from the cpu
eternal cairn
Yeah, I believe I recall hearing it places some of the load on the CPU.
honest sparrow
i might have gotten the usage wrong so dont quote me
eternal cairn
Since there's already very little that the CPU does in the game.
lilac geyser
you might be right, its very unclear
eternal cairn
But in all honesty, I've tried it, and it's not very useful.
Or rather, it's about the same in terms of effectiveness on all settings.
lilac geyser
it might mean it as the cpu is doing the culling (from the gpu), but the way it is it sounds like the cpu is being culled
eternal cairn
The only reason I can see for that type of setting is because there are a lot of enemies that can spawn. Somewhat related, part of the reason Destiny/Destiny 2 never got above 30 fps on console was because of CPU limitations.
brisk badger
I don't understand what they mean with culling. The only I am aware of in games is called "occlusion culling"
culling is used to not show objects or in better words not render draw calls, pixels and triangles, like when the door closes etc
jade surge
you may not see a difference due to the setting not working properly. I have not noticed any difference but that is not to say they won't fix the setting
brisk badger
yup neither did I when I "tested" on extreme and low. Would love if there is another AMA
jade surge
I think once it is fixed it will help those with lower end tech so then they will be able to load balance between the4 CPU/GPU
vapid crypt
So according to Steve's mountain bike rambling, the Ampere issues has been largely driver related. The problem has been because of Nvidia not giving the partners the drivers early because of paranoia of leaks
jade surge
I understand that the driver is one part of the problem,. But, the question is even after they fix the drivers there is still an obvious issue with the capacitors. I mean if EVGA delayed the release of the FTW card because of the capacitors then obviously there is an issue with them when aggressively OC'ing the cards. There is enough blame to go around this time. It's Nvidia and the AIB manufacturers fault. Hopefully this does not hurt Nvidia too much in the long run
brisk badger
i opened the video before and by all respect to this man;I cannot watch videos like this
either prerecord the voice or buy an even more expensive mic but that was not bearable
jade surge
it was bearable but not for everyone.
Steven even said that it would not be for everyone
vapid crypt
Nvidia valued the marketing more than having a working product (let alone actually available to buy)
They gave reviewers drivers before they did their partners apparently
jade surge
rememberbad publicity is still publicity
vapid crypt
It's a little weird, but I kinda like what AMD does with their partners. They literally just give them their reference cards and have them slap a brand sticker on it and sell it that way
Then they have their own models later
Its gonna be that way with RDNA 2, at least they have good cooling this time.
Zen 3 benchmark leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUpoigw1p6I
jade surge
I'm not really surprised about the benchmarks
jade ermine
Im 100% sure that this game has only ever been used as a benchmark
vapid crypt
Yeah Ashes of the Singularity exists as a benchmark pretty much
There is a game there, but generally it's a solid benchmark ever since it came out
silk lintel
i just started the download to this game for the first time and with a new laptop and i was just wondering if i could run this game okay
GPU, RTX 2070 Max - Q
I7- 10750H 6 cores/12 threads 5.0GHz
vapid crypt
silk lintel
preciate it
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vermeer-8-core-16-thread-zen-3-cpu-benchmark-leaks-out/ if you wanted to read about it, the comments are magical as usual
Smooth brain fanboys arguing about stupid shit
jade ermine
Those comments are the best
proper wren
Alright lads I have a audio stream question
My audio is crap in stream running on b450-F and Void Elite headset
vapid crypt
Crap how?
proper wren
Audio bitrate at 48 or 128 cant remember because not at home rn
vapid crypt
I'm defaulted to an audio bitrate of 160 personally
proper wren
Mobo?
vapid crypt
MSI X470 Gaming pro, what does the motherboard have to do with it. The Bitrate is all software
This right?
Otherwise my Sample Rate is 44.1kHz which is something else entirely
proper wren
I sees
vapid crypt
Are you using a USB mic, or using the front panel audio connectors?
Cause front panel audio 9/10 tends to be pretty crap, either cause of the case, motherboard or both
Maybe, but if it's just the microphone it could be easy to miss
eternal cairn
I hope AMD's GPUs won't be needing this: https://www.mnpctech.com/products/copy-of-mnpctech-single-rtx-series-gpu-support-bracket-black
Also, liquid nitrogen will be the near future for cooling: https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-with-flip-up-lcd-gets-overclocked-to-a-blistering-258ghz/
I just hope I won't have to get a bigger case when I upgrade my GPU.
jade ermine
Pretty mad that GPU has 360mm radiator
vapid crypt
What?
jade ermine
Ye kingpin is coming in hot with that 360mm AIO
vapid crypt
Yeah that makes sense
brisk badger
Just some small blog about NVMe and durability I find useful: https://www.evanjones.ca/durability-nvme.html
sick reef
It's interesting if nothing else.
brisk badger
I think it interesting in the longrun how many NVMe drives will fail. When SSD's were released people were already scared that they may fail after a "short" time. While I cannot speak for every SSD owner, I must say I never had any issues with mines and I have some since 2012 or so. They lost performance over the time
probably the heat output of NVMe is the most dangerous part, or if you really push the drive to it's limit, day and night
sick reef
It seems to me as if it's cycling. If you completely devoid the drive of power at a point where it hasn't properly cleared everything, it could lead to entire drive corruptions
sick reef
Let me tell you about seagate and mechanical components giving out close to a spinning disk.
You ain't getting that data back unless you have something illegal the feds want there.
proper wren
Why must they overhype 6000 XT series
vapid crypt
There's always overhype, Ampere was no different it just took the one launch event on the 1st to shoot it off. The difference with Navi is the general desire for AMD to have a competitive product in the high end, and its been like that for 5 years. So AMD's cards are always Overhyped pretty much
Most people though don't expect anything from it, so the hype is mainly coming from Fanboys tbh
proper wren
I'm just gonna wait for 3060 and 3070
vapid crypt
Well we'll know what AMD is offering like 2 weeks after 3070 launches, 3060 is November
restive garnet
i swear, for the last 6 years or so, they always claim that their new cards are going to be the big ___ which competes with high end nvidia
and like clockwork, it always barely competes with the mid tier cards
the whole term has really just lost meaning to me at this point
vapid crypt
It's their marketing team
restive garnet
probably getting them sales in the short term, but id imagine im not the only person who theyve lost because of it
vapid crypt
With Navi 1 they've gone a different direction, they didn't make it out like it was going to be a 2080Ti killer
restive garnet
i vaguely recall in their marketing for the 5700xt they were claiming it would compete with the 2080/super
and it only really ended up being around the 2070/super area
vapid crypt
Hmm I don't recall that at all, they compared it to the 2070 generally
And it was announced before they pushed out Super cards
restive garnet
plus the radeon 7
vapid crypt
Oh yeah, cause it does offer similar performance
vapid crypt
So um the problem with the Radeon VII was marketing a card that's more geared toward workstation stuff as a gaming card.
restive garnet
imo, they marketed it both ways
vapid crypt
Like they were so desperate to have something to offer gamers, and it did alright against the 2080 in certain cases
fleet canopy
Well, even if they are overhyped and will actually perform up to a 3070, that's better than nothing
vapid crypt
Sure, but it's the same situation with the 3090
restive garnet
they marketed it as both their alternative to a high end mainstream, and mid tier work station at the same time
fleet canopy
It'll still be a good offer to people if it is cheaper than 500$, reusing 400$ possibly
vapid crypt
Yeah the thing is I don't see them having only an answer to the 3070
restive garnet
id imagine they probably learnt from last generation
where they only had 2 cards for several months
and slowly released more cards into an already stagnating market
tho i suppose its more than just one generation
vapid crypt
Navi 1 was a test run for their new architecture, they didn't want to put their cards into a high end competitor
restive garnet
they did it with vega as well
vapid crypt
They've been picking up graphics productions, I think it was when they launched the RX 590 they said they wanted to roll out at least 1 new graphics product every quarter
restive garnet
they ended up losing out on the entire low and high end market though
and probably over half of the mid tier as well
would have been better to have a decent spread of cards release all within one quarter
vapid crypt
It would have, but I'm sure there's good reasoning for their recent strategy. Obviously they've been wanting to prioritized their silicon toward Ryzen and Epyc
jade surge
I sincerely think Nvidia is scared by AMD this time. Hence why they rushed the Ampere launch
which may have screwed them in the end
fleet canopy
Well
I've also had thoughts that AMD is doing all this just to fuck with NVIDIA and release their GPUs which perform similar to their mid end being the 3060, 3070, and release their GPUs which should perform great in cooling, do alright with drivers, and not have problems overall in release
Unlike the 5700XT
eternal cairn
That's very wishful thinking.
brisk badger
For AMD, the high end, do-it-yourself PC section is just a niche market that Nvidia controlled the last decade. Yea the radeon marketing team messed up multiple times which is rather sad
a good example is why nvidia acquired ARM. The money these GPU's makers make is not by selling high-end graphics processor products
brisk badger
Great. Tencent after all this time now got my Email address 😤 .I don't want to stir drama but I do not support any company doing business especially if the country where this business is located, is violating any basic human rights. Farewell my geeks, was fun to hang out here 👋
marsh mesa
I mean, they already have your email since a long time
jade surge
I hate to say it then, don't buy anything made in China because the Chinese Government violates human rights all the time. It was fun talking with you but i don't let politics enter my gaming space. My experience is that most people are hypocrites because they will cherry pick what that will and will not accept. But, in the end it is ultimately your choice.
worthy hedge
hey guys ive been dealing with graphic card driver issues today
windows seems to be forcing an update
and its failing my graphics card,tried unistalling the driver and also turned off windows device updating and its still forcing it
also windows itself has a rollback option available in these cases and its not available
vapid crypt
As we get closer we keep getting leaks about Big Navi, so I'll leave that here. It's leaks AND speculation to some extent. This video was made to quell the overhyping Fanboys too, so that's pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJHnaxZdeEk
Apparently overhypers are saying AMD will have a 96CU card or something, even though everything points to them maxing out at 80
jade surge
The question is could AMD make a 96CU card? Who knows. All I know is that AMD will actually be a good choice for the midrange GPU's. I think if they come close to the 3080 in performance and sell for $100-$200 less will definitely help them. And if you think about it, with all the issues Nvidia is having with the 30XX series they may just get a bigger foothold
vapid crypt
The 96CU logic wasn't completely baseless, it's based on their Die size being around 505mm2
The problem though is considering what they're doing with the architecture that makes it work with thinner memory busses for the sake of efficiency by utilizing a lot of on die cache
Which does take up space
jade surge
with this new architecture pretty much at its infancy, I am curious to see how it performs and where the future will hold for it
vapid crypt
I would say Navi 1 was infancy, this is the continuation of that
jade surge
From what I understand Navi 1 still used some of the GCN instruction sets. Navi 2X is completely new.
vapid crypt
That's true, for the purposes of backwards compatibility in the drivers
Speaking of the driver issues were largely hardware related
Navi 1 will age well though, it's still the same architecture. It's gonna be like GCN 1 how that got driver support forever
jade surge
so if I have Netflix, Disney+ or any of those type streaming services i will have to pay through Google Play instead of giving them my info directly? If that's the case i guess I will delete all those apps
lilac geyser
the exception is if you download those apps from not on their app store, then they can bill how they want
but if its on google play you must use their billing
jade surge
But if you have an android most sites send you to Google Play Store to download the app
lilac geyser
hah yeah
and google hides the way to do this deep in settings and displays scary warnings about lessened security
hypocrites
jade surge
so now both sites have my credit card info. So what now we will see a lot of double billings? or will we have to go to Netflix, Disney+ or any of those services and remove our info
that means these streaming companies would have to restructure their sites
lilac geyser
all the bigger apps will be not on the play store in the future i am guessing
jade surge
so that will make it harder for general users to download from the sites on their phone and install them. Because by default you can't download untrusted(outside of playstore) APK packs and install them. you would have to go in to the settings and select Allow download and install of untrusted APK
then these sites would have to strike a deal with Google on making it so the phone would recognize their APK package as trusted.
I am fine with that since i mod my Android a lot. But the general user IS not going to like that
this is going to turn out to be one BIG BAG OF FUCK
reef wedge
can somebody tell me wether I should get the rtx 3060 or 3070 when its released
I also consider a motherboard upgrade I have a I7 3770k atm overclocked on 4.4 GHz but I dont know what I should upgrade first
my current gpu is r9 380 from xfx
vapid crypt
So basically an entire new PC build
You're in luck since new things are rolling out this quarter, definitely worth considering what Radeon is offering too. We just won't know what they have exactly until October 28th
fleet canopy
If you're looking to do 1080p 144hz, go for a 3060 or AMD similar. If it's 1440p 144hz, 3070 or AMD similar. For CPUs, I'd wait to see what Zen 3 has to offer, as it's coming really soon, I think like 2-4 days?
Be sure to get at least 16GB with DDR4-3600MHz CAS16 if you want to have the most of your performance with Ryzen
vapid crypt
Going by speculation, Navi 23 which would be their high refresh 1080p card will be coming out later on
vapid crypt
So it wouldn't just be the motherboard
reef wedge
I know
vapid crypt
It's the whole system basically
reef wedge
its actually mb cpu and ram
fleet canopy
Yeah, I think it's best to get it all at once
reef wedge
everything except psu and gpu and mouse and keyboard and monitor and ...
vapid crypt
So Ryzen 5000 is coming out in mid October
vapid crypt
Go without RAM, yeah just download it
fleet canopy
^
reef wedge
I just use my ssd for RAM
fleet canopy
2400MHz though
vapid crypt
Yeah DDR3 is much slower, that's about middle of the road for DDR3
fleet canopy
A gigahertz more, hm
vapid crypt
You can get up to 2100Mhz I think
fleet canopy
Oh, yeah. It'll be a huge difference nonetheless
reef wedge
I am fine, I just have problem playing games having low fps do you think a better gpu will fix it
vapid crypt
But that's irrelevant to DDR4 where you're seeing over 4000Mhz, and not getting much scaling past 3800ish
reef wedge
I want to upgrade both but both upgrade are about 500 bucks
vapid crypt
Um I don't think a better GPU will solve things
reef wedge
*around
fleet canopy
I believe you're still going to want to upgrade your PC fully, because the RTX 3000 is pretty demanding depending what your other specs are
vapid crypt
Especially at 1080p
reef wedge
I have 1440p#
vapid crypt
1440p with a 380
reef wedge
I have a good power supply
vapid crypt
Holy shit
reef wedge
well I got it for free as some kind of review giveaway
vapid crypt
Oh the monitor?
vapid crypt
Yeah that's nice, but you're pushing a 380 well above its weight class
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
380 can do better than that
fleet canopy
But even just upgrading your GPU will not fix that problem. You are still going to need to upgrade the entire PC
reef wedge
sometimes I have to go lower because I cant read the console in gtfo
vapid crypt
It's like 80% of a 470
fleet canopy
Maybe you have the monitor resolution set to 1440p without knowing it
reef wedge
bro I cant pay 1000 bucks instantly
I want to know what to upgrade first
El Demonio said system upgrade
but I want to hear the benefits of getting gpu first
vapid crypt
Huh, well a new CPU will only help so much and it won't be toward gaming so much
Like at this point you would only be core limited in AAA games usually
fleet canopy
Getting any of the RTX 3000 GPUs I believe will require a CPU upgrade, otherwise it'll be really bad. But I could be wrong
vapid crypt
So it would help in that case, but it might not matter as much at 1440p with a card that can handle that
The CPU will hold it back slightly, but it would still be a decent improvement and you would actually be able to play at the resolution
fleet canopy
Ah, yeah. 1440p doesn't really use the CPU too much except CPU intensive games I guess
vapid crypt
So we're looking at 3060 - 3070 level performance not 3080
Where 4k starts to be relevant
fleet canopy
You're probably alright upgrading to 3060 tbh. I think they can handle 1440p 144hz alright, should be able to at least
reef wedge
Yeah
vapid crypt
You don't need to spend $700 for 1440p, not even high refresh rate
fleet canopy
For CPU, you can upgrade to the Ryzen 3600 or the 5600
vapid crypt
At this point I recommend getting an 8 core
vapid crypt
Whenever you do upgrade the CPU
Well because the new consoles are using 8 core CPUs right
And its not that Jaguar crap, it's Zen 2
fleet canopy
Yeah but it's not like they'll do 144FPS
reef wedge
I plan to get a ryzen
vapid crypt
3700X and equivalent will be solid for years to come
fleet canopy
Actually, I don't know what the consoles are supposed to run. I just assume it'll be 60 because they've been stuck at 30FPS when the entire PC marketplace could do 240Hz
Yeah, a 3700X will last a really good amount
vapid crypt
Nah they haven't been stuck at 30 necessarily, some games sure
The thing is is that they were largely bottlenecked by a slow CPU
reef wedge
but I still cant really tell if I will get more fps with a new gpu
vapid crypt
So 30 was the best you could do in a lot of cases where they pushed graphics
fleet canopy
You will, you're using 1440p
reef wedge
I thought being cpu limited
fleet canopy
CPU matters more if it's 1080p
reef wedge
my fear is that I get the gpu and have no use of it sicne I am cpu bottlenecked
fleet canopy
Eh, doesn't mean that you can't use it
vapid crypt
It's Ivy Bridge, I would be more concerned if it were Bulldozer
fleet canopy
Just lose about some performance, which is fine
Now if you for any reason whatsoever, see the 3060 is too much to pay for, you can wait and see what AMD may offer. They've pretty much been the similar performance for cheaper price kinda company
vapid crypt
You would be bottlenecked, but it can't be helped until you upgrade fully. It will still be a lot faster than the 380
reef wedge
i figured I would be bottlenecked either way the question is if I am getting better performance
I have sometimes problems playing lol with a hd video on my seconds screen
vapid crypt
Are you overclocking the CPU?
fleet canopy
He did say he OCd it
reef wedge
yes
its bit unstable I should clock it down its atm on 4.4
but its most stable on 4.2
fleet canopy
Because it's many generations apart, enough that the new gen performs better than the entire 900 series if not most of the GTX 1000 series with a bottleneck like the 3770K, which people still use to this day
vapid crypt
Hmm degradation possibly, did it use to be stable at 4.4?
fleet canopy
Not for 1080p, you'd def see a bigger bottleneck on the CPU, probably losing more GPU performance anyways
vapid crypt
Ivy Bridge is still decent, at worst you're core limited in a bunch of AAA games
vapid crypt
Which games are you running at 720?
fleet canopy
He mentioned just GTFO, so eh
vapid crypt
Cause at worst I think the 380 is relegated to 900p
reef wedge
um gtfo and apex legends
fleet canopy
Apex Legends is not too hard to run
vapid crypt
Well how much Vram does it have?
fleet canopy
Shouldn't be at least
vapid crypt
Graphics cards have dedicated memory
vapid crypt
Should be like 4gb probably
fleet canopy
I guess so
vapid crypt
If it is 900p and 1080p depending shouldn't be a big deal
reef wedge
yeah i play gtfo with up to 100 fps instead of 30 to 60 on 1080 and 1440
fleet canopy
God I remember playing GTFO on 40FPS
Cancer
How am I supposed to learn how to aim if it's 40FPS smh
vapid crypt
I can drop that low when stuff starts spawning, but more like 48ish
vapid crypt
I remember it getting that bad in Rundown 2 C1 I think
eternal cairn
Damn, I'd always get a consistent 60 fps with my 1070.
vapid crypt
I get consistent 80+ typically, but the drops can be as low as 48
eternal cairn
It's probably one of those random framerate spikes.
reef wedge
alright
vapid crypt
It's just when enemy waves start spawning and swarming
reef wedge
would you suggest getting the Founders edition or wait for custom designs
vapid crypt
That was during Rundown 2 I think they've polished that since
fleet canopy
The FE for RTX?
vapid crypt
Um you would be lucky to get an FE model
fleet canopy
The FE ig. They're better than the aftermarket lmao
vapid crypt
I would recommend waiting for what AMD has first though
fleet canopy
Just wait for it, it's not like you're going to get it now, yeah?
reef wedge
so I should get it if I am able to
fleet canopy
Yeah and waiting for AMD
eternal cairn
I just hope the wait is worth it.
fleet canopy
The RTX 3000 series has had the shittiest launch
vapid crypt
Eh not as shitty as Turing
reef wedge
8K gaming is around the corner guys
fleet canopy
Nah
eternal cairn
8k gaming. 😆
vapid crypt
8k gaming that's all marketing
fleet canopy
It's all a fat fucking lie NoVideo gave us
vapid crypt
It's 1440p Upscaled to 8k using DLSS 2.0 which isn't even available in every game
reef wedge
I can only play 8k its doesnt metter if 1 fps or 2
vapid crypt
Otherwise you have the 3090 giving you the console experience at 8k
eternal cairn
And DLSS 2.0 doesn't even look that great.
vapid crypt
Woo 35fps average with 14fps 1% lows
fleet canopy
It could have been fine if it was "It can game on 8K*" but there's no asterisk so it's hurr hurrr
Lies @eternal cairn
vapid crypt
Might as well boot up the Ps3 and play some OG Demon's Souls
fleet canopy
DLSS2.0 is much more improved compared to DLSS1.0
I also hear they released a quiet update, 2.1 to DLSS
vapid crypt
DLSS 1 was like smearing Vaseline on the screen
vapid crypt
They did, I noticed Death Stranding got the update to support that
eternal cairn
It might run better, but it looks terrible to me.
vapid crypt
Um, yeah it's inferior to native resolution
But it does make the lower resolutions look better
fleet canopy
I've seen videos, but I forgot what it's like
Yeah, it's not similar to actual pixels vs just seeing 1080p upscaled like hell with more FPS
But even I see pixels at 1440p!!!! If I see a single pixel it's shitty!!!!!
:(
eternal cairn
Boo hoo.
fleet canopy
Shut
vapid crypt
I don't notice pixels on my 1080p monitor though
vapid crypt
Actually the other week I noticed my second monitor has a stuck pixel or something
Who knows how long its been there
eternal cairn
Different size monitors?
I had to return my monitor 4 times before Amazon sent me one without dead pixels.
fleet canopy
I think it's because my fucking boo hoo monitor makes the software program crap think "Whoa!!!! It's 2048x1152!!!"
Every single time
vapid crypt
I'm not sure if it's dead, but IPS might show dead pixels differently to TN maybe
fleet canopy
Like honestly it makes me believe it's not really 1440p, but actually is literally 1152p
vapid crypt
Cause for TN it's a blacked out pixel right?
eternal cairn
Dead pixels are black on every monitor.
vapid crypt
Well okay in this case it shows a white out pixel
fleet canopy
It can be any of the colors, but it's not going to change the colors
eternal cairn
No, stuck pixels aren't the same as dead pixels.
eternal cairn
Stuck pixels can get unstuck by lightly pushing them in, but dead pixels are forever dead.
vapid crypt
It's so small and insignificant I can only make it out by having the display just show a black image
eternal cairn
I have no dead pixels on any of my monitors. It's great.
vapid crypt
Rubbing on it does no good so
eternal cairn
Then it's a dead subpixel.
vapid crypt
Oh my laptop monitor like got fucked with dead pixels
eternal cairn
If it still displays a different color than what the other pixels are showing (other than black), it's a dead subpixel.
vapid crypt
And as far as I know it was all cause I ended up hitting the screen with the end of a mini-usb cable
vapid crypt
It wasn't intentional, an accidental lashing from yanking it out of my ps3 controller
fleet canopy
lmao
vapid crypt
But yeah it was a cluster of dead pixels, like they slowly started dying over time
It was like a cancer in pixel form 
nimble anvil
4k is for noobs
nimble anvil
720p is best
Anything above is overkill
The human eye cannot see the pixels at anything above 720p
fleet canopy
The human eye cannot see above 30FPS
30FPS gives you a cinematic feel
I would lock my FPS to 30 even if it meant I could do 60FPS because I want that cinematic feel 
vapid crypt
-Something Ubisoft said probably
sick reef
It hurts me that some instinct in my brain has heard that before.
I'd try to reason it, when I've heard it as someone's genuine statement, but I'm not theologist,
fleet canopy
It's kind of like an anti vax or a flat earther
vapid crypt
What?
fleet canopy
You just can't get them to admit they're wrong when you've given them so much proof that 30FPS is inferior to 60 or higher
Only time 30FPS~ is good is on movies
eternal cairn
Any framerate lower than the other framerate is always inferior. LOL
vapid crypt
I don't know I don't get it either
fleet canopy
I didn't say exactly 30