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restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:19 AM

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honestly, dont know

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something about being designed in conjunction with them

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but theres also a razer version

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Was it supposed to be "EKWB Certified For Doom"?

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:20 AM

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so im assuming its a base product with some slight customization

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case was kinda cool

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but like

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:20 AM

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It's a little bugger

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:20 AM

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the front intake

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had 2 grills and a dust filter

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Hm

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:20 AM

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throw a radiator on top

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and you have no airflow

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:21 AM

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lmao

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So it's just for air cooling ig

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:21 AM

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the other issue

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clearance

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350mm from front to back

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:21 AM

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And how bad was that?

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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most aios come in at about 52mm

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so you get like 298mm clearance

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Oof

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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most asus rog graphics cards come in at 297

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leaving you with 1 whole millimeter

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Damn

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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sounds doable

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except its impossible to get the radiator in while the graphics card is installed

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or vice versa

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Hah

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:23 AM

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so you have to put the radiator inside the case on an angle

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then put the graphics card in

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then slide the radiator up from below

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and the fan mounts on the front of the case dont line up with your graphics card

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so its not a great idea trying to run an air cooled card

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Using stock cooler
Idle
"Current: 46 Celsius"

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:25 AM

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stock temps on an 8700k and a strix 1080ti were like 60-70c and 80-90c respectively under heavy load

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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I have no clue if that's normal on idle lmao

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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what, stock intel cooler?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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AMD

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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cant say im terribly familiar

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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With 3700x

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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but it sounds reasonable

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Yeah, isn't too bad

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Surprised it's that high on idle

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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i would be expecting mid 30s with a decent aftermarket cooler

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Yeah

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:27 AM

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maybe high 20s with a full open loop

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suppose it also depends on what your ambient temperature is

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I guess so

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:28 AM

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my idle on my 8700k right now is 38c

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but its just come in to spring

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Anyways, I must get off for the night

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 3:28 AM

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so its fairly chill

dawn crown Sep 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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YOU GUYS MAH BE ABLE TO SOLVE COMPUTEE PROBLEMS

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BUT CAN YOU SOLVE QUADRATIC FUNCTIONS

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Pls?

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Here is are my notes

late sorrel Sep 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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you know what

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i respect you for that

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you probably won’t get an answer

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but I genuinely respect you

dawn crown Sep 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Darnit

dusty pumice Sep 23, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Lmfao

dawn crown Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I found it out

restive garnet Sep 23, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Sorry dude, we provide tech support, not emotional support

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 6:05 AM

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*laughs in Calculus 2*

dawn crown Sep 23, 2020, 6:37 AM

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I had done been gotten

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 6:52 AM

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http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
Firefox usage vs Firefox top executive salary. Thought it was interesting.
Even if it's worrisome, keep the internet decentralized, uninstall chrome! 😋

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Google is monopolizing and there's nothing we can do about it. 😦

lilac geyser Sep 23, 2020, 7:01 AM

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the fall of firefox is completly on mozilla's hands

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i remember installing firefox 1.0

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from 1.0 to 3.5 were the good days

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but then they started adding stuff into the browser that made no sense

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one day i woke up and my firefox had some application to make VOIP calls installed into it

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i uninstalled

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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google paid mozilla 500mio usd per year for the next 3 years so that google remains the main search in firefox.
The same time, mozilla lays of 250 employees many which were security experts

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mozilla had a really really good security and research team

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yea the browsers get bloated

lilac geyser Sep 23, 2020, 7:08 AM

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though to be honest around that time is when i started hearing reports of firefox's performance taking a hit

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driving people to this new effecient thing called chrome

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i had no idea because i had stopped using firefox

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 7:10 AM

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performance and compatibility-wise chrome is great

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internet explorer and safari are huge pain for any web development sadly. Luckily the first is dead but safari remains 🤢

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 7:45 AM

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There's still Edge.

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Microsoft needs to stop trying if they're not going to hire a competent development team for the browser.

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 7:46 AM

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yea but edge is also based on google's chromium.
Microsoft has ofc a special interest with browser since they make Windows and what at all cost you not installing another browser but use the integrated one of the OS.

Internet Explorer was a real disaster I agree

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 7:47 AM

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They might as well just provide Google Chrome with their OS.

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 7:47 AM

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in the server landscape you have to remove Internet Explorer entirely, even if it's installed tho it's not being used it still is a security concern xD

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 8:29 AM

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I talked to a dev in my office about chrome's RAM dilemma.

The reason why chrome is using a lot of RAM in your system is (in words we understand) and I quote my co-worker;

They are using algorithms that sacrifice memory usage to reduce CPU time to reduce battery usage

Which probably makes sense in some cases

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it has pros and cons. as gamer it's more of a con I would argue 😋

proper wren Sep 23, 2020, 8:33 AM

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3090 8K Coomrockets

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 8:48 AM

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or
benchmarking 8k with the 3090 by playing games that have most textures in 4k and only important textures such as playermodels are in 8k.
It still is impressive

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:17 AM

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That's such a lame excuse.

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That only seems logical with laptops to reduce battery usage.

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 9:20 AM

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yep. Google made a blogpost regarding chromes ram consumption but neither of us could find it before

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i think it doesn't justify it's huge ram consumption

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maybe for a tablet or something with a weak CPU it might be useful

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Maybe.

fierce frost Sep 23, 2020, 9:37 AM

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This pc is still completely dead im thinking its PSU

nimble anvil Sep 23, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Try asking it nicely to turn on

fierce frost Sep 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Cause if the psu got power, the fans would at least turn on for a second or two right?

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Gigabyte confirmed Super variants for the 3070 and 3080 allegedly PirateSimon Old news technically, but the product IDs have an S there suggesting they might be called Super

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https://youtu.be/i55Hei6KFH4?t=151

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Ah damn, I need to sell my 3080 already 😩

fiery panther Sep 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Bruh

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:51 AM

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You got a 3080? phaWesker

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 11:58 AM

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no I just make fun of the extreme enthusiasts 😛

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i need to upgrade my cpu, it's still from 2014. But I have to little time

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:59 AM

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This launch has been entertaining to say the least

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You have people panic selling 2080Tis, freaking out about their 10900Ks bottlenecking

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Its been an absolute Circus PirateSimon

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:02 PM

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I am worried it'll get more and more extreme in the future.
Technically I don't care what people do with their money, as long as they don't tell me they need this luxury for their work or streaming or whatever because 90% doesn't need.

I am just concerned that our society loses more and more the connection to (e)waste and our environment. The PC master race IMO can no longer laugh about apple and it's cult followers cause basically we are the same

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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PCmasterrace is a cringy meme at this point, and yeah if people are going to be drones and consume for the sake of consuming; absolutely no different from those that do it with Apple. Or any other brand/product

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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it's going to be interesting what the future will be. having only 2 companies producing competing graphics cards also brings issues

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in a companies view it's the best if only 2 companies exist that create the same product.

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Intel will have something but its hard to say just how well it will do. They've improved their graphics performance for their integrated graphics quite a bit, but still aren't on par with integrated Vega

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:08 PM

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i see it in a company I work for. THey make more money because they have a competitor and they are happy this company exist. If not they would lose much more money due to having a monopole and the state in the back fining you for everything and bringing you to court

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yea I am not sure if intel will enter the consumer market, maybe server market? I dunno

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it this point I don't expect new companies being created. If it were, they would be bought by AMD or nvidia directly

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 12:09 PM

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And Raja Koduri is heading Intel XE, doesn't bring confidence considering he designed Polaris and Vega. Not that they're awful, its just not the greatest in where it matters for most people. I suppose having professional offerings might be where their focus will be initially

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:11 PM

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wasn't polaris good?

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it was the 4xxx series?

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while not best performance they were nice coz cheap and low consumption

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I had the Fury X and I am still furious about AMD on that 😤

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Sure, fantastic actually. It did really well in the largest portion of the market; in the entry-midrange market

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I heard the other day they intended to make an RX 490 probably to try to compete with the 1070; but they canned that likely cause it just didn't hit the performance they wanted

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:14 PM

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the 5xx series was a bit lame tho nicely optmized

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Well it was just a refresh

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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Hm.

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 12:39 PM

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🤔

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:03 PM

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I think AMD has definitely improved their processors forcing Intel to Step up their game and lower the prices of what they would normally overprice

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now all we need is their Radeon division to get it together cause they had the high end market for a bit with the HD5870 and HD5970 back in 2009

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I still have my old 5870's

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:08 PM

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And also means Intel might be in a shit spot when their Zen 3 releases as it's confirmed to be purely focused on improving gaming performance of their CPUs

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:11 PM

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If you watch the Tiger Lake launch you could tell Intel was scared. They kept referencing AMD and saying that benchmarks are not important even though they themselves were using benchmarks

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Yeah I know

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:11 PM

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But they're REAL WORLD benchmarks phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:11 PM

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They barely mentioned Intel

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And was all against their 4800U

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Hahahaha, the desperation is real though

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Intel already delayed their 7nm chips by a year

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Probably so desperate, they couldn't think up of a good name

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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lets just hope AMD doesnt slip like Intel

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Nah they won't

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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I just want two companies that offer great products

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Well its their 10nm right that they delayed?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:12 PM

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AMD is pretty smart when it comes to their CPUs at least

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Intel on the other hand

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:13 PM

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AMD has dropped the ball in the past

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need I remind you of Bulldozer

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Though I guess technically Intel's 10nm is pretty much on par with TSMC's 7nm

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Their GPUs need a bit of work speaking of the 5700XT drivers, which wasn't mostly fixed until like a few months ago and is still fucked with bad drivers apparently

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:14 PM

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And they won't have 10nm desktop parts until 12th gen

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:14 PM

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That's going to be a long time

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Sure they won't release Zen 4 by then? PirateSimon

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:14 PM

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They've been consistent with the release, so

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:15 PM

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intel needs to make a socket and stay with it for a bit. Thats the biggest reason I switched to AMD. I can stick with a motherboard for long than one or two generations of chips

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Intel got cocky and became the bully on the block. The only thing they cling to is the whole best chip for gaming

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:16 PM

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They'll eventually switch when Zen 3 becomes a thing, no?

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:16 PM

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They've stayed with sockets before, they just force obsolescence every other generation

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Sometimes they probably added a pin or take away one to push it I guess

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:16 PM

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TSMC and AMD are lovers and will stay that way for the foreseeable future.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Their "best" gaming CPU being the 10900K gets fucked by a base 10600K or OC'd

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Yeah so that's cause of their ring bus architecture not scaling past 8 cores very well

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There's diminishing performance with RAM latency

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Intel will bounce back I am sure, I just think it is going to be a while

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I wonder why Intel decided to go past 8 cores

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They'll go back to 8 cores max

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Just so they could offer something more I guess

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I heard 11th gen is returning to 8 cores

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:18 PM

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But because AMD is so well done and almost compareable with Intel's CPUs, there's no doubt Intel won't be able to keep up

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Yeah the 11th is going back to the 8 core max thing

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:18 PM

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11th gen is gonna be a half step, they're like taking Tiger Lake but putting it on 14nm or something?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Intel won't keep it up if it means going past 8 causes way lower performance

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Its weird

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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AMD figured how to supercharge with using Chiplets, Intel could possibly innovate as well. They may need to restructure

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Likely 3d stacking

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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They need a whole rework of their CPUs tbf maybe

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:19 PM

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With 3d stacking they could fit more cores without having memory latency issues

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I am glad that I bought AMD stock when it was low because they have improved vastly

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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And on Extreme it doesn't matter since that's a quad channel architecture

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Extreme?

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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and to think that they sold their building and property and then rented from those they sold to just to keep R&D and the lights on

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Their HEDT line up

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Oh yeah I forgot school's a thing

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l o l

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Which is destroyed by Threadripper, but you know PirateSimon

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 1:21 PM

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@jade surge you are also an owner of the 5870 ? 😍
I think it was my favorite card of all the time. Best price, incredible performance. Best times.

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Actually come to think of it, with 3d stacking you could literally build the memory onto the CPU itself

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:24 PM

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@brisk badger a up until about 9 months ago I had crossfired two of them and was still using my old I7 920 on the 1366 socket

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although back then I was a dumbass cause I bought the non x sku and bought a high end MOBO and couldnt really leverage the board for OCing

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Was Intel segmenting overclock chips back then?

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I know they did with Sandy Bridge, I'm just not sure if they did with first gen i series

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:31 PM

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yeah the only ones that you could overclock were the extreme editions which had unlocked cores

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:32 PM

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kek

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:32 PM

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So then based on that they improved things with Sandy Bridge in regards to overclocking

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Imagine locking your CPU cores

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Oh I see, so it has a locked multiplier

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So it isn't impossible to overclock, just not as friendly I guess?

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I'm seeing old guides overclocking the 920 to 4ghz

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 1:34 PM

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@jade surge amazing they lasted so long! Sadly my 5870 started artifacting at one point. Never found why. Wanted to heatgun it but never actually had the time. Now I am thinking to remove the GPU chip and frame it instead 😋
Socket 1366 idk man, I did not really like it. I skipped it and used the 2600k for a long time. Best Intel consumer CPU ever IMO. Amazing OC capability

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Sandy Bridge is Gold PirateSimon

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Skylake is Bronze phaWesker

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Still like my Bloomfield Chip

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I still loved AMD back then but they just did not have good motherboards on the market for gaming

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Their GPUs weren't too bad for pure nuclear heating

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:38 PM

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they would get Chernobyl meltdown

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well they definitely have come a long way

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Ryzen was definitely their Hai Mary pass and it worked

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Indeed

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Their GPUs started going nuclear with GCN

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I can't think of a Terrascale GPU that was like that, at least not right now

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But I mean that ATI technically

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:43 PM

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@brisk badger well one of my 5870's went belly up at the beginning of the year and I had to take apart the other one and apply some liquid metal. thats when i decided to build a budget ryzen rig with good gaming

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@brisk badger glad I bought when I did cause prices went through the roof

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ATI was my first graphics card

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I played DAOC and WOW on that card for years until I deployed and I bought a way too expensive SLI Rig

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:47 PM

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If everything that's been said about RDNA2 is true (well I mean going by AMD's words anyway) This flagship card of theirs might very well be another 5870 moment

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I sure hope so

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well, if it is an improvement over the 2080ti I am curious how they will deal with DLSS and raytracing

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Well I know that their new cards will support DXR via DX12 Ultimate, and likely whatever Vulkan has too

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:51 PM

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I don't even care if they beat the 3080. if they release a card that competes with the 3070 and is 500 dollars i will be happy

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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And their answer to DLSS might be some kind of advanced form of checkerboard rendering

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I am curious to see how well the cards perform with the higher Cache amounts

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Nah they usually go a price cheaper

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Basically what Sony is doing

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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So it could be 400$ again

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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if its 400 even better

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Just like 2070 Super vs 5700XT

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Only real difference was drivers

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Their performance I think was better than 2070 Super though

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I wanted the 5700XT but I didnt want to deal with driver drama

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:53 PM

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So the driver thing, I really do think that was a loud minority. But barring that idea, how I see it is

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RDNA 1 was the beta test

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I really think it was a situational neck to neck thing with the 2070 Super and the 5700XT

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Brand new architecture, and they were still using some of the GCN instruction set

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Like I kinda wanted to go with the 5700XT

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But there were a shitload of drivers problem for it

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 1:55 PM

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I doubt there would be driver issues to that extent anymore, there hasn't been any issues with drivers for a while now

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I've heard different things though, like the black screen issue might not even be driver related half the time, it could be hardware or thermally related

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I've heard of people just adding more ventilation solving the black screens

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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well we shall see

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 2:03 PM

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the driver issues had to do with "hardware acceleration" that discord and some browser use. Temporary disabling that made the card work normally

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hardware acceleration lets the GPU do certain tasks instead of the CPU

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:07 PM

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well with thestate of the CPU's now we really don't need to worry about hardware acceleration. It doesnt hurt but I guess it is a case by case or user preference

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Now to switch it up. I keep hearing that Nvidia keeps apologizing and saying that they did not expect such high demand. I call completely and utter BULL. Nvidia is not a new company and they are by no means stupid. They planned this whole thing. Either that or their marketing team is completely and utterly inept

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:12 PM

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That's pretty much the take of everyone that isn't a mindless drone

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This was a deliberate paper launch to hype their product before AMD's response pretty much

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:13 PM

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and I am truly glad for this fiasco cause we can truly see which Tech reviewers are in the Pocket of Nvidia

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Linus Tech Tips, Not an Apple Fan, Moore's Law is Dead and a few others actually called them out

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Gamer's Nexus did as well but I Forget

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:15 PM

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I did see that Linus did a sponsor video for the 3090

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:15 PM

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well I am curious to see how they all talk about the 3090

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Well its a sponsor video, so its likely quite positive overall

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:16 PM

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well linus did the 8k gaming video

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but to be honest Nvidia designed it for 8k gaming

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:17 PM

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1440p upsampled to 8k PirateSimon

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That's literally what the 8k marketing was in Nvidia's event anyway

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Yeah

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:19 PM

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I am not denying what you say. I think the 3090 was never labeled a Titan card because the Titan line is done solely by Nvida. This way they open it up for AIB's and more profit

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Epic marketing by NVIDIA

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Even if they really are just pretending to be dumb, they really know how to do marketing

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:20 PM

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And according to Benchmarks, on average the 3090 is like 10% faster in games vs the 3080. In rendering, and synthetic benchmarks its 20% all day. But games you're gonna see as low as 5% to as high as 12% so take that for what it is

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Sounds like a good enough deal for me in gaming on 1080p - Some dumb "Bigger number equals more performance" pc guy

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Nah he'd be too scared to bottleneck his 10900K

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After panic selling his 2080Ti for $450

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:24 PM

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lmao

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:26 PM

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you only really bottleneck the CPU at lower resolutions

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Exactly the kind of guy, using a 10900k and 2080Ti for 1080p PirateSimon

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Its ironic cause that example would already be bottlenecking, but someone like that probably wouldn't understand that

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:27 PM

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we would not be pissed off if they never made such bold claims. If you would have told me that it was almost double the performance of the 1080 and almost 30 percent faster than the 2080ti I would be fine

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Yeah well, their marketing team is a little too effective for their own good

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Meanwhile AMD has the opposite problem

merry bay Sep 23, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Thing is people rarely dig deeper to confirm that. They just remember the marketing, assume optmistically and assume it's true. That turns into more sales

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:29 PM

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why did AMD thing leaking in Fortnite was a good idea

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:30 PM

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That seems like one of those ideas like one guy had, and it sounded good on paper

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But the execution was just awful

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Cause I mean advertising your product through one of the biggest online games of this generation sounds good on paper

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:31 PM

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It would have been fine if it wasnt truly the only place they advertised. But it was and the whole marketing team needs to be throatpunched and sacrificed to the Lisa Su god

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:32 PM

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But no let's go ahead and do some stupid shit by having a 3d render in the game, and that's the only place you'll find it

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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dont forget the parachute in the shape of the card or the parkour run to a phone where you put in 6000 as the code

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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They made like an entire scavenger hunt that no one bothered figuring out

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:33 PM

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well as long as they don't mention Intel at all on Oct 8th I will be fine

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well as long as the mention is that they throat punched them

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I mean they might mention the 10900K like twice for the sake of comparison

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I mean, the new cards are supposed to do ray tracing, no?

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Not 27 times like Intel did with the 4800U though

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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and the one that "figured" it out was someone sponsored by AMD

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Was it 27 times? It might as well be

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:35 PM

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check Gamers Nexus they actually did a breakdown

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it was truly funny

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Yeah I saw that

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Breakdown of what?

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Afaik they did a breakdown of a 3080 after specifically being told not to

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Of Intel's Tiger Lake event, and the constant mention of the 4800U

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:36 PM

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But if there was anything else I've not seen it

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Oh yeah

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It was like

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 2:36 PM

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of how many times they said AMD, 4800U and competitor

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:36 PM

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One of the worst ever done reveal of it

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:37 PM

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So how do I tell the difference between the i7 1060G7, i7 1063G7 and the i7 1065G7?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:37 PM

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The best part was they compared it to NVIDIA's RTX 3000 keynote which was so much better and focused around their own actual GPUs versus last generation being RTX 2000/Super

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Bigger number = better

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Duh

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Even I can remember what they're fucking named, get on the ball Intel

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Like the Quadro RTX 8000, it's miles better

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CEO couldn't remember it lmao

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Who thought it was a good name

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Was it the CEO?

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I thought it was some random presenter they pulled off the street phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:40 PM

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idk

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I heard it was the CEO or something

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 2:41 PM

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If it was the CEO, let alone a top executive or an engineer

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That is not a good look

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 2:41 PM

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lmao

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I mean

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Go look at the video for yourself and confirm it ig

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 5:25 PM

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📎 Eil5zC5XcAAEXQa.png

old patrol Sep 23, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Ha ha so funny

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Ha ha so funny
@old patrol You got it?

old patrol Sep 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Bruh

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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<@&408548765599793173>

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 6:33 PM

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i don't think epic cares much about new accounts unless someone needs to pleases his boss. They surely working on the next big game, they have more than enough funding. If they even wanted

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I still want my unreal tournament 😠

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 6:35 PM

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That tournament never existed to begin with it is unreal.

brisk badger Sep 23, 2020, 6:38 PM

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dont do this to me galerus. anyone has to finish it. They don't even fully hand it out to the community 😤

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 6:45 PM

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The Tournament does not exist PirateSimon

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 6:54 PM

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What tournament?

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Unreal Tournament phaSip

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I just saw this on Amazon, and it looks cool.

📎 7138FMBu4jL.png

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You actually lock it with a passcode.

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Anyone wanted to hear an Irishman rant about the 3090 PirateSimon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6y8X4uu_Ys

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Is he drunk?

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Nice.

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 7:00 PM

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He gets drunk on the livestreams phaSip

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So it looks like the Vram on the 3080 with no memory overclocking is reaching 104C on the FE model https://www.igorslab.de/en/gddr6x-am-limit-ueber-100-grad-bei-der-geforce-rtx-3080-fe-im-chip-gemessen-2/

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Crashing too? https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-3080-sees-increasing-reports-of-crashes-in-games

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Looks like it might be related to the really hot memory? Underclock your memory folks ConfusedUlf

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Eh It won't be that bad, but yeah this is Nvidia's Vega moment I guess? phaWesker

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Well no not even cause with Vega to get the most out of it, you undervolt it and overclock the memory

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But that's because of HBM2

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And you could actually do that

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This is screaming burning GDDR6X at its limit

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I guess Fermi is the best comparison then

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Hm.

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 7:27 PM

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.mH

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I guess Nvidia hired the guy who made the drivers for the 5700 XT.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:26 PM

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So the RTX 3080 is having driver problems this time?

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I know a friend who updated to the latest drivers and couldn't launch Apex Legends.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:29 PM

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lole

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Now that's pretty normal, NVIDIA will fix it pretty quick

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Then it'll be like it never happened

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Now why the fuck is discord being slow?

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My messages are being sent with a small delay

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Discord's search bar has been failing me for a while now.

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Giving me the "we've dropped the magnifying glass" error.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:31 PM

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That's probably discord failing for a moment lole

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Seems like it's back to normal now

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Discord is updating really frequently though. That's a bad sign of poor software development.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Oh?

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Feature improvements don't actually get fixed that quickly.

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Most updates that introduce "bug fixes" are just theoretical fixes.

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Other times, developers are just way too eager to push out an update for useless features.

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Discord still hasn't fixed this weird bug where if you left-click a user's name to bring up their roles and then click somewhere else, the rest of the window "jumps up".

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:38 PM

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How so?

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Trying to attempt

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Not working

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 8:39 PM

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It's not very common, but it still happens occasionally.

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Sometimes, the server list disappears completely for a quick second too.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:41 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWnhXr5sycg

late sorrel Sep 23, 2020, 8:42 PM

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yeah discord isn’t great quality software

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 8:42 PM

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240Hz IPS kek

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 8:43 PM

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I guess Nvidia hired the guy who made the drivers for the 5700 XT.
@eternal cairn I called it

rancid kindle Sep 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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hey again, this is my friend's current graphics card, he wants something better but I've been telling him what he has is ok, what would you suggest as an upgrade? https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07PD2LG7Z/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_apip_Fx59zwvpigtfx

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:13 PM

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The RTX 3000 series just launched, but you might wanna wait until scalpers start to die off before buying.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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He could get a 1660 Super, kind of better buy imo

rancid kindle Sep 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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this is his mobo if compatibility becomes an issue https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07FKV5HWJ/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_apip_pUluaw8xJ7NqY

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I think there's also a 2060 KO which is similar in price but better performing?

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Oh that's not too bad

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So that means he has a ryzen build

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Oh you mean

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Oh

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You mean he already has a 1660, me dumb

rancid kindle Sep 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Yessir

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He plays a lot of VR and the graphics card he has rn is apparently the minimum

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Yeah

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:16 PM

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The 3080 is out, but it's still fairly new and scalpers/botters already got to them, so don't buy them. Seriously, only buy from official retailers.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I'd recommend waiting a little longer for the other RTX 3000 GPUs to release

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Because RTX 2000/Super is going to lower in price afaik

fiery panther Sep 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Yes

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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That is, if any retailers still sell them at a lower price.

fiery panther Sep 23, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I'm getting this gen ryzen 7 maybe if the new gen comes out

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Just wanted to say that,

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Goodnight, love you all

rancid kindle Sep 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Ou ok

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What price roughly should I wait for it to hit

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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MSRP.

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But it depends on which retailer you buy from. Some are typically more expensive than just buying directly from Nvidia.

late sorrel Sep 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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yeah I genuinely love that microcenter is literally just in store only for these things

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:28 PM

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If you even have one near you.

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The nearest one for me is 400 miles away.

late sorrel Sep 23, 2020, 9:28 PM

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20 minutes away ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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it'll be a pain in the ass to buy one though

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 9:32 PM

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might as well wait to see about what AMD prices their cards.

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his board is fine

rancid kindle Sep 23, 2020, 9:39 PM

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so would one like this be good? https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YXQ19NC/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_i_5b8AFbA28KCRT

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a good upgrade*

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Not at that price.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:40 PM

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This is CAD, not USD

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Compare it with other GPUs, see how much they cost

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:40 PM

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To USD, it's $400, but that's still not worth it.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Or look for a 2060 KO

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It's kinda difficult to decide on buying a GPU atm

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With the new GPUs just coming out and more, buying right now won't be the best idea

eternal cairn Sep 23, 2020, 9:42 PM

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^

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Time to learn how to OC RAM : ) )

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 10:06 PM

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OC Ram is waaaaaaaYYYY easier now

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I'm still dumb :)

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I learned nothing

nimble anvil Sep 23, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I overclocked my 4gb of Ram to get 16gb of Ram

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Nice

jade surge Sep 23, 2020, 10:36 PM

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and how did you do that

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 10:36 PM

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With this here site https://downloadmoreram.com/

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Downloaded from my 256 kilobyte of memory which wasn't suitable anymore ~~fucking master hacker man lied 😠~~ and got my epic 32GB ram

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:22 PM

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ok good news i managed to find a buyer for my current pc lol... either way umm...

Should i go for Ryzen 9 3900XT or i9 10900k ?

If i go for ryzen can i OC it to 5Ghz?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:24 PM

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10900K is like

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Literally a 10600K but more expensive lole

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And going 5GHz on a ryzen iiiisn't exactly the best idea, it may lessen the overall performance

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However you could OC it to like 4.2GHz or about that, and get B-die ram or just straight up buy DDR4-3200MHz CAS14 or DDR4-3600 CAS15 ( A lil faster than going 3200MHz CAS14 )

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That would surely get the most gaming performance out of a Ryzen 3000 CPU I guess

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

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doesnt it have like own auto boost upto 4.7ghz

im going for 3600MHZ 32gb

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

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It does?

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

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yeah it says on site XD

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Huh, hm

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You could research that lole

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But yeah just OC it to as much as Ryzen will allow to go until it starts losing performance because straight up going 5GHz might perform less than it usually would

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:28 PM

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ah well... tbh isnt like 7nm + 64mb cache better than 14nm+++++ and 20 mb cache

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Even if that's possibly the case, Intel could just OC it like shitload and it'd still perform better for some fucked reason

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But that's just really like reusing an old ass crappy meme format people somehow like

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:29 PM

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see
says 4.7ghz

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fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Oh, the XT

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Hm

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:29 PM

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yeahhh not the regular lol

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Funny it says Supported memory speed is 3200MHz

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When people OC everything to 3600MHz

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Either way rn i have i9 9900k...

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Which I still need to do/learn aboout

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10900K performs worse than a 9900K I think lole

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Because going past 8 cores is just bad for intel

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:32 PM

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ok so let me get this straight.. basically ryzen is good for editing and windows overall but loses 10 fps on avg in gaming to intel

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while ryzen can still have less usage than intel in games

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Intel is like

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

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The reason for that is because of how the architecture is structured

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

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"Gaming king"

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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It divides the cores into 4 core CCXs, divides the cache and everything goes through an I/O die

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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i mean i played anthem today and holy fucking sht my i9 went to 98% usage lmfao...

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Ryzen can do gaming really well too, if you're fine with waiting for Zen 3 (Ryzen 4000) which is supposed to be full on focused in improving gaming performance

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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So there's inherent memory latency

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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when is zen 3 coming out

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Hence why faster memory improves Ryzen performance quite noticeably

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Assumed to be around AMD's GPU release iirc

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Like after that

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Still will be in 2020

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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If all things work out well, probably sometime next month or maybe the first week of November

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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GWsabianPepoHmm the point is.. can i handle being without my pc for few months

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Uhhhh

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Play mobile games

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lole

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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You're likely fine with the 9900K

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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He's going to sell it to a guy soon though

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Oh you're selling it

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Because he's silly like that

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Well that doesn't seem like a good idea if it leaves you with nothing

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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im not silly im practically selling him 30% broken pc

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for 1400€ XD

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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30% broken?

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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yes

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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What does that mean?

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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i think i fried my gpu when bitmining + my case is fucked

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Oh you bit mined, ew

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:36 PM

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yeah i tried it

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Not really the best thing to do

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You just lose more money than you gain lmao

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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i was 15

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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I also still do not know how to OC RAM because I'm pretty dumb and the video tutorials don't exactly help so much

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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It takes some tweaking

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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ok @vapid crypt yes or no for 3900XT i cant handle waiting
vs 10900k

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Yeah but

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3900XT vs a 10900K is like

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Neither, get a 3700X PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Idk, it's just not worth trying to get either of them lole. And yeah, 3700X is superior

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

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im technically looking this into who is faster in processing windows n shit... work loads + semi gaming...

mainly the usage

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I have literally no clue on how to do RAM OC though, like the whole thing is literally alien language for me

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

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bruh im getting new parts but idk how to build a pc

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I can understand some things but I can't exactly understand how to do it/the process of doing it

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:39 PM

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You're not losing that much performance, and it's way cheaper. That is all, also you can still use B550 or X570 with Zen 3 if you really wanted to go high end there

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Uh oh!

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It's D0cR3d!

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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oh goody doc is here.. hey doc can u fix the timings on the chat spamming.. sometimes its annoying

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me and @fleet canopy got muted twice XD

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Learn to speak paragraphs and sentences in one message

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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dude i cant... my adhd

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I got muted 4-7 times in 1 week

void perch Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Y'all hear ice giant CPU cooler is going to start shipping soon? Most will deliver in November.

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Ice Giant?

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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zoilWeird tf is that

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Yeah that really big air cooler

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I think?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Oh yeah I think other people chatting also sort of voids the mute chance by some amount but eh

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:41 PM

#

📎 4b20f767494c6d6e30b3594a968d88ed.png

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:41 PM

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But then again, I was muted last with 2 people talking at same time

void perch Sep 23, 2020, 11:41 PM

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https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

IceGiant Cooling

IceGiant - CPU Cooling Technology & Innovation

IceGiant has the most advanced CPU cooling solution for PCs. Our ProSiphon Elite technology boasts superior performance & reliability.

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Basically GPU length heatsink phaSheva

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Ah that one. Big fucking CPU cooler that's performed in a different way

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That's a great MSRP for the performance it gives

void perch Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Funny thing is I ordered one but don't even have a CPU to use it for

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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lmao

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Is it? I dunno how well does it perform?

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Is it destroying your average 280mm AIO?

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Way better than AIOs or the best air coolers like DRP4 and NH-D15

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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ok one last thing whats the temps on 3900xt

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with aio that is

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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From what I can remember from the Linus video

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review here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M13dWRL9qkc&t=26s

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Look at Hardware Unboxed numbers, they always note that

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Or Gamer's Nexus

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Unlike regular air coolers, apparently there's small amount of water vapor in the copper pipes or something, and it dries out after some time. What the Big Fucking CPU cooler does is basically prevent that, and give much better cooling as well as cool higher TDP rated CPUs

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Average is 70C, peak 73C on a Blender run

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On gaming it would be well below that on average

#

I would guess no higher than like 50 55 or so?

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:46 PM

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alright

#

anyways thx for info zoilSmilingcoconuthappy

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I mean, blender's pretty demanding so I guess yeah, the max may be 65 which is highly acceptable during gaming with possible high CPU usage games

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

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zoilSmilingcoconuthappy

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I sometimes see 62C on my 2600 in certain games... granted using a pretty average tower cooler phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Funny I tried to look through other 1440p 144hz VA/IPS monitors at 2-4ms, but they're literally the same price as the 1ms ones so yeah

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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ok fuck it going for i9 10900k

#

Y O L O

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I dunno

#

That doesn't seem like the best idea

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I know the whole 1ms thing is pure marketing but what's the point having to pay for 2-4ms if the price is like the very same amount

#

Just wait for Zen 3 you dummy it's only like 1-2 months away or something @abstract kite

abstract kite Sep 23, 2020, 11:49 PM

#

GWhurpyShy

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fine

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:49 PM

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We already know Intel's ringbus doesn't scale well past 8 cores, and they start losing a bit of latency in the memory

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:49 PM

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I literally had to wait a fucking year for CB2077 since I preordered it before they delayed it from March-April

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Besides it literally wouldn't improve performance by that much

fleet canopy Sep 23, 2020, 11:49 PM

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And still waiting PirateSimon

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Is there any guides I could use that could help me with doing OC to ram?

vapid crypt Sep 23, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Buildzoid probably has a detailed video talking about every possible ram kit and how they overclock phaWesker

#

He kinda had something for Ryzen 3000, so if that's what you need it for

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 12:34 AM

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https://www.howtogeek.com/439140/how-to-overclock-your-computers-ram/ is fairly detailed

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@abstract kite AMD is releasing the Zen 3 Chips 8 Oct. what that means for when can we buy the chip. well it's anyones guess right now

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 12:54 AM

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They’ll probably release the higher end ones first

#

Epic, got a red light on my motherboard once I hit 3400MHz

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 1:26 AM

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So I probably can’t overclock it so much

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 1:39 AM

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3200 is good for ryzen. go for tweaking your processor but be weary since your cooling may not be good enough to handle it

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 1:44 AM

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It’s a stock cooler, at least for a moment

#

The cmos bettery was behind the goddamn GPU

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I had real fun pulling that shit out

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Like sure, 3200MHz CAS16 isn’t bad, but it’d be nicer getting a higher speed for gaming mainly

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 1:49 AM

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3200 MHz is more than enough for now. I am running 3200 MHz CAS 16 with my Processor overclocked to 4000MHz and I am pulling 144 FPS on maxed out settings for 1080p

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Yeah. I’m unsure as to why it didn’t work on 3400Mhz though

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Perhaps the guide I was using, not the one you gave had a little bit off in something

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 2:13 AM

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try the ryzen master software. It makes it a lot simpler to overclock altogether

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I guess so, should be easier now that I should be able to understand it more a bit

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After getting my GPU plugged in ofc

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Finally got it in, even if it costs me a dented pcie lock and a bleeding thumb

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And probably an attack to my motherboard

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Somehow still works after having used a screw driver attacking motherboard

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Lole

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It now automatically goes to bios

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And it doesn’t detect a bootable device either, so I’m now stuck looking for the drives to get them working if they’re a requirement

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Trying to get to boot menu just shows there’s no bootable device could be found

odd portalBOT Sep 24, 2020, 2:56 AM

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That action was successful. asweeperbot

old patrol Sep 24, 2020, 2:57 AM

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lol

vestal moth Sep 24, 2020, 2:57 AM

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why

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 2:58 AM

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He bum ass

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Anyways

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Time to see if anyone knows why my pc won’t detect a bootable device

gray needle Sep 24, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Hello everyone new here but anyone know any good softwares to help maintain my pc I new to the master race

restive garnet Sep 24, 2020, 3:26 AM

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pretty much any software you'll be likely to need will already be installed

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anything else you might need will only be for specific situations, like if you are changing out your hardware, you might need something to fully wipe the drivers

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about the only piece of software i recommend regardless is HWMonitor

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it basically tells you accurately what every single piece of hardware you have is doing, voltages, temperatures, clock speeds etc

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and that is mostly useful just to tell you if everything is functioning how it should, so i generally only end up using it if i suspect something isnt working properly, or if im playing with my hardware

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Hm.

restive garnet Sep 24, 2020, 3:33 AM

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you still need help with that bootable device gay?

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:45 AM

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It was literally a power cable that fell off because it was somehow loose lmao

abstract kite Sep 24, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Hey you pulled a me.

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:46 AM

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But at least I got the bios back to normal and the 2070 Super plugged in nicely

abstract kite Sep 24, 2020, 3:46 AM

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BlurpleKek

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Still works fine, at least me trying to unlock the GPU didn't permanently damage my motherboard

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Oh fuck you little shit

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<@&408548765599793173>

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No way a link like that sends me to Intel

strong patio Sep 24, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Yeah we arent going to do that here ❤️

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:33 AM

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What am I looking at?

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Oh I see

red sinew Sep 24, 2020, 5:33 AM

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what's the latency of my brain model

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:33 AM

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But muh 1440p 144Hz IPS :(

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ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQ? Signal process lag does not exist

red sinew Sep 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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apple tech tips

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I've got a pretty nice 1440p 165 hz monitor rn

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it's an ASUS TUF

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:36 AM

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So I guess it isn't like the most fun monitor to have in the signal lag thing?

red sinew Sep 24, 2020, 5:36 AM

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not sponsored btw Kappa

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Well it's samsung, hm

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Lemme see if it was on my radar for monitors at one point lole

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This one? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z6YWGX/samsung-c27hg70-269-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-lc27hg70qqnxza

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I can't find it on PCPP lole

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0.5ms signal process lag, 6.5ms response time element

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Wonder how good that is tbf

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Most importantly

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Back to two monitors to select from, hmph

eternal cairn Sep 24, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Wake me up when AMD releases their new GPU. 😩

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By the way, when is that?

dense wasp Sep 24, 2020, 8:14 AM

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when you wake up

eternal cairn Sep 24, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Damn.

nimble anvil Sep 24, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Imagine waiting for AMD GPUs and not buying 2 SLI 3090s

proper wren Sep 24, 2020, 10:03 AM

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3080 backorders so hard employees aren't allowed to buy 3080s

gray needle Sep 24, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Awesome thanks @restive garnet I’ve been asking this question on literally every Reddit page I can find an have had no help lol

restive garnet Sep 24, 2020, 10:17 AM

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all good, happy to help

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also, your bill will be in the mail

gray needle Sep 24, 2020, 10:30 AM

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I only pay in feet pics

sour wing Sep 24, 2020, 11:02 AM

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can i get some too???

brisk badger Sep 24, 2020, 11:04 AM

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asking for a friend, he needs some as well

nimble anvil Sep 24, 2020, 11:13 AM

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I'm a doctor. I need to see those foot pics too.

fiery panther Sep 24, 2020, 11:21 AM

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I have a medical condition, I need to see those pics or else I'll get a stroke

abstract kite Sep 24, 2020, 11:29 AM

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I'll need those pics as well, for academic purposes

brisk badger Sep 24, 2020, 12:05 PM

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on behalf of @vapid crypt since he is doing a research finding the median size of the human feet, he would be also interested receiving 🦶 pictures

gray needle Sep 24, 2020, 1:41 PM

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😂

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Hell, I have ne reason i just want them

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:22 PM

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I have a school project to do that includes measuring feet. I require feet pics with a measuring tape on one end to the other with length and width PirateSimon

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 3:36 PM

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What kind of degeneracy have I been dragged into? phaRIP

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Also Steve just shit all over the 3090 8k marketing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo

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phaSip

fiery panther Sep 24, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I'm scared as well my dude

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 3:48 PM

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lole the 3090 8K

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Marketing? more like lole

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Although I'm surprised it does actual 8K 60FPS

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At least depending on the settings, usually med/high or using DLSS2.0 in heavy games like Control

restive garnet Sep 24, 2020, 4:11 PM

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i accept payment in feet pics, but only if they are painted blue, so that i can pretend they are cortanas

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 4:15 PM

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lmao

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 4:21 PM

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With DLSS that's not true 8k, and as long as it isn't a universal setting I just couldn't consider the 3090 an 8k gaming card phaWesker

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Unless of course you're okay with 30fps

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Console gaming ftw PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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kek

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Most of the games played that Linus used didn't have DLSS 2.0

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So with medium or high or whatever, it ran 60FPS for some reason

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Maybe there's something I'm not seeing but afaik it ran 8K 60FPS

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 4:47 PM

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No they did

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It was Doom Eternal, Control and Death Stranding right?

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I know for a fact Control and Death Stranding have DLSS

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I'm not sure about Doom Eternal, but considering its optimized so well

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Sure

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Though speaking of Linus

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Nice name there for the title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjcxrfEVhc8

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PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 4:52 PM

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"Fuck NVIDIA, Here's Your 3090 Review"

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feet

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Linus just confirmed from Nvidia that the 3090 isn't even getting proper titan support

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So yeah that just proves its a beefed up what should have been a 3080Ti phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Hm.

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I find it funny that it's supposed to be a 3080 Ti

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But then what the hell would we have for a Titan

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Like one of those bum Quadros going for like 32-48GB of VRAM and specifically made for workstation?

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Well if it were called the 3080Ti it would have 12Gb of Vram

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And not be $1500, but like its obvious its only 1500 because they gave so much ram. Its how the justified the price jump, also the name change too

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As long as they don't give it the same driver support they give the Titan, it will never truly be a Titan

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Yeah let's go with that, if the 3090 was actually the 3080Ti and had half the Vram, it would probably be $1000

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A price reduction over the 2080Ti, and only 300 more than the 3080. It would look really good

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They may very well release a 3080Ti as I described. Would it make sense now? Maybe not

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However, I know people certainly want a card like that

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:11 PM

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But then the 3080 Ti would be just in between

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Although the price to performance would be a huge thing if the 3090 is still 1500$ and the possibility they'll release a 3080 Ti, it just leaves the 3090 in the dust because the 3080 Ti is nearly just as good

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For 500$ less

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Yeah that's the idea, it would give a little extra over the 3080Ti for gamers. That should be the flagship card

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If the 3090 was actually called a Titan, it would make more sense then (And they actually supported it with Titan drivers)

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For a gamer no phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Maybe the 3090 would perform literally the same in gaming with the possible 3080 Ti, and it's literally only a 2x more VRAM sort of card which the confirmed reports of a 3070 with 10GB and 20GB variants, this would be pretty similar imo

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But it could also just be seen as the cut down next Titan RTX kek

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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At this point it would look bad if they released a 3080Ti and a Titan above the 3090

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Just with how they marketed the 3090

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I like the part where Steve goes to say it sucks ass then some random guy gives him money to say it's better

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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They called it Titan class, and marketed 8k gaming

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:19 PM

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30FPS average for Shadow of the Tomb Raider, with 0.1 and 0.01% lows being 10-12FPS

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Just like my favorite Ps3 games

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Literally almost every game is like

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30-50FPS

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But the 0.1 and 0.01% is so fucking bad

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Hitman 2 got the Shadow of the Tomb Raider treatment

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Literally runs 37FPS, 0.1 and 0.01 is 11-14FPS

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Like it wouldn't make them look bad

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Literally wouldn't if a 3080 Ti performed better in gaming

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Like not in a million years

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The benchmark itself only makes it look like a huge joke

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And as Linus will soon say, "8K gaming is stupid" PirateSimon

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:23 PM

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The 3080 crashing might be related to power supplies

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Yeah that's more likely what happened

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Overclocked the 3080 is easily drawing 360 - 375W

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Hmm maybe not apparently some people with 1000W titanium PSUs are getting crashes

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So drivers, hardware? Who knows

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:27 PM

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It's possibly the hardware maybe

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But it performed really well so I wouldn't know

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It could be like the whole 2080 Ti launch

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Hopefully no one's card catches fire

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Like that happened with the 2080Ti

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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"Hopefully"

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Well yeah

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But like, if it catches on fire

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It was AIB cards

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Just AIB?

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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They uh, go a little HAM on the overclocking and power limits

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Well that caught fire

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Ah

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I found a thing on it

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There was still driver problems and artifacting

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Other hardware failures on FE I think

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Samsung 8nm was a mistake

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https://hardforum.com/threads/evga-2080-ti-xc-catches-fire-in-spectacular-fashion.1971659/

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Well at least EVGA has good warranties PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:30 PM

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"It's the 480 all over again"

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The fuck is that image

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:31 PM

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The GTX 480 is a legendary space heater as you might have heard

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I don't know if any caught fire

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But I suppose it's possible

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Like I'm not surprised NVIDIA did have cards that were a nuclear power plant

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 5:32 PM

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These new cards are a whole other level though

#

This is the first time they exceeded 300w TDP for their stock specs

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Or I guess 250W really

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Barring dual GPU cards

#

Yeah going back in history this is the first time they went over like 280W for their stock TDP

proper wren Sep 24, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Rip 3090

jade surge Sep 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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So what do you think they will call the 3080 20GB

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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The 3080 20GB

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Its gonna be AIB only models

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They used to add Vram to cards all the time

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Like you could get 8gb 290Xs and 390s

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Despite the reference model having 4Gb

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So it'll be a 3080 with more Vram, I doubt performance would be different at all

#

In like a few years where games can leverage more Vram there would likely be a difference, but that's about it

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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https://twitter.com/uzzi38/status/1309238900028854273

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@abstract kite

abstract kite Sep 24, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Huh

#

Ffs Im getting new powersupply okay...

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 10:40 PM

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You'll be fine with Big Navi I think, but if you must get a 3080 especially if its an AIB model, Maybe a underclock/undervolt would do the trick for a weaker power supply. But for your sake I wouldn't take that bet.

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Linus was having trouble with an 850W on the 3090, so yeah that's pretty concerning phaWesker

vapid crypt Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dChKb3LG38s

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So the full 102 die with 16gb/s GDDR6 is faster than the 3080 allegedly PirateSimon

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Basically the Quadros are better silicon, use the full die and despite having slower memory are better

void perch Sep 24, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Yes or no, do I build this threadripper? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/D0cR3d/saved/TLRrrH

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Hm.

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2TB of NVME o :

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But anyways

#

Wait why am I concerned about the storage space

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D0c literally fucking hoards so many terabytes of storage

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Storage whore, smh

void perch Sep 24, 2020, 11:31 PM

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concerned as in too little or too much space?

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2 TB is really not that much for me. I have over 100 TB of space available to me right now

fleet canopy Sep 24, 2020, 11:32 PM

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lole

#

I really need more storage ugh

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I was thinking of downloading a game and checked space

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"90GB left"

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:)

#

Literally living the 1TB life

abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:19 AM

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2 TB is really not that much for me. I have over 100 TB of space available to me right now
@void perch

Only 100TB? What is this 2020?

#

200TB is all the rage nowadays.

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Nah

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He needs at least a petabyte

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For MS Flight Sim 2020

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And MW2019

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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i mean.. i am really tempted to make my own NAS system with a few hundred TB's

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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lol

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But too much money?

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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but like, that'd require building out an entire new server, and not sure i want to do that right now

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Hm.

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:21 AM

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i got the money, more about timing

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Well that's fair

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Hopefully you'll enjoy your Minecraft RTX with 128GB of RAM, 3970X and 3080 super

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:22 AM

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🙂 we'll see what more votes say

abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:22 AM

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And MW2019
@fleet canopy
And the new Call of Duty game

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:22 AM

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3-0-0

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lol

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I don't really like the looks of the new CoD

abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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I don't think D0c's current system can handle how much space it requires.

#

02LUL

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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shghhdshhh

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He has 999 terabyte

abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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I know

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Should be enough

abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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CoD wants more

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Oh no!!!!

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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abstract kite Sep 25, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Like how Chrome wants your RAM

#

It's never enough xD

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:24 AM

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He'll be able to open the third chrome tab

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:26 AM

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fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:26 AM

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o:::

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:27 AM

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fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:28 AM

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2 month and half

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Hm

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 12:28 AM

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one of my servers

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actually most of my servers have ~82 days

finite violet Sep 25, 2020, 12:32 AM

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267 days megunani

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fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 12:33 AM

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lole

late sorrel Sep 25, 2020, 1:56 AM

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@void perch go for it mate

probably best build you’ll get for a long while

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Hmm

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Did you get a 3080 though?

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Not yet

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I hope they're plentiful in the next few weeks then

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Maybe if he's patient, he'll get his 5970X PirateSimon

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Not unless getting it as soon as possible is a requirement

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 2:48 AM

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still tossing up on what to use for the server im building, in terms of cpu/mobo

#

decided on a 6c/12t, but ideally with integrated graphics, which afaik both amd and intel have

#

but availability is a bitch

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 2:59 AM

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what's the server going to be used for?

#

i've found some good servers on amazon. feel free to hitup my DMs @restive garnet and we can talk more personal if you want, your price range, all that good stuff and i can try and find something, unless you were planning on literally building all the parts yourself.

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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planning on building myself

#

its basic usage is going to be as a game server and for file storage

#

half of my house are using laptops and are running out of space, plus i want to be able to turn my main rig off once in a while lmao

#

my current plan is to reuse as much pre existing hardware as possible

#

at the moment im leaning towards an i5 10400, because it ticks my boxes for the lowest price, paired off with an asus prime h470

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Ahh gotcha you're going a slightly different route then. Good luck

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 3:55 AM

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I might end up making a server with my R5 2600 and RX 580 after upgrading, though it might be better to get a more efficient GPU that's really cheap

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:17 AM

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the l4d2 update is pretty trash

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:17 AM

#

lol

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Yeah I was playing some of that earlier

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Think I found something that challenges D0c in some areas https://pcpartpicker.com/b/bVmgXL

#

His only advantage is hundred of terabytes storage

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:18 AM

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And an actual Titan PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:18 AM

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lole

#

If I'm correct, the Titan is still way better than a 3080 lole

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:19 AM

#

Um for workstation I think so

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:19 AM

#

Yeah

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:19 AM

#

All that Vram

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:19 AM

#

D0c's build def isn't meant for gaming tbf

#

So I don't think it'll be used for gaming, only workstation

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:19 AM

#

Not really worth it at its price when the 3090 exists, even if the 3090 doesn't get Titan support

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:20 AM

#

Yeah that price is just bad

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:20 AM

#

At the same time managing the power of all that

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:20 AM

#

no you are thinking about it wrong

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:20 AM

#

Plus the 3090 is more unstable than the 3080

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:20 AM

#

3090 = 2080 in terms of a product tier

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:21 AM

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How so?

#

Like is it the overall performance/

#

That it sucks so much power and is so damn unstable?

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:21 AM

#

I know its not a Titan, they just inflated a possible 3080 Ti and called it 3090 to justify a higher price

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:21 AM

#

And then advertised it as an 8K gaming GPU afterwards

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

3090 is not a titan replacement, its a 2080 replacement

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

If it was half the Vram and $500 less, it would look pretty okay

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

How is it a 2080 replacement?

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

Um I see what he's saying, if we go back to... Fermi

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Which in reality performs at like 30FPS average, 0.1-0.01% lows being 10FPS for Shadow of Tomb Raider

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

#

The 480 is the biggest die, like they would give you the biggest die for the 80 class

#

They stopped doing that in Kepler

#

Where the Titan ended up being the biggest die? Then they released the 780 Ti cause the 290X made the 780 look dumb phaWesker

#

Currently, Nvidia keeps the biggest die for Server stuff; then the biggest and best tier lower 102 for Quadros

#

Then Gamers get the cutdown versions of that which is the 3080 and 3090

#

So they've segmented the high end down two tiers where it used to be technically

#

At least they aren't putting the xx80 on 104 anymore

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

#

lole

void perch Sep 25, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Mine is meant for above decent gaming but gaming isn't its focus, then everything else

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Okay, this has to be bullshit, right?

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The 1000 series can't even use RTX.

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

Eh, nah

#

I mean

#

The 1000 series can

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

It can they enabled it in a driver

#

It just runs like shit

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

But it'll be miles difficult

#

Ye

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

As you can see

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

Ah.

#

So they made shitty drivers to make their numbers look better in comparison.

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

Nah, not really

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

Well, possibly?

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

It's just that the GTX 1000 don't have RT cores

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

I can't say for sure

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Unless you mean 2070 Super vs 3070

#

idk

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Well I see it like this

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I mean, how can a 1070 perform worse on Minecraft compared to Control, a much more demanding game?

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

How their brand of raytracing works, it leverages a certain kind of hardware

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Minecraft RTX is like "Let's put this shit 100%"

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

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The absence of that hardware makes it near impossible to work

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Control I guess would be more optimized, I wouldn't be surprised if the GTX 1000 can use DLSS2.0 but idk

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:37 AM

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There's an old demo called Neon Noire that ran on a Vega 56, it was fully ray traced

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And it worked well enough for what the demo showed

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So I don't buy needing "RT cores" just to do ray tracing, its just how their RTX works that needs it

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Like the games shown for RTX are really heavy games

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Like if you run the path tracing shaders on the java version, it works well enough on a 1070

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Its not the same thing, but its giving you similar visuals

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:38 AM

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LOL https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3d-print-your-own-rtx-3080-piggy-bank

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 4:38 AM

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I guess it's more of just how much ray tracing things are there that makes the GTX 1000 able to use it

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Wow

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Now I can be like "I have the RTX 3080 >:))))"

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I love the irony of it.

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:45 AM

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How is it a 2080 replacement?
here's my guess. 2080s did not sell well. it was priced high and 1080 was such a success only enthusiasts upgraded. nvidia needed to price a card competitively (read: low) and sell lots of them. However, they did not want to damage their appearance as a premium brand, and keep reaping the benefits of prestige pricing on their top-end consumer gear.

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So they created a 3080 to make it look like a 2080 (the prestige good of the previous generation), and then release a 3090, the actual prestige good of this generation

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_pricing

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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The two words I hate the most when used together.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I like Premium Quality, but not when the pricing comes with it PirateSimon

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 4:59 AM

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i'm guessing it costs almost the same to produce a 3080 as a 3090, so you'd rather sell 3090s. But you don't get many bites at that price, so you also need a lower cost (and usually lower perceived quality) of a product to pick up those other customers

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nvidia is trying to tell you the 3080 is still a high performer while also having that high margin good

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the production cost bit is little less true this generation because of the huge heatsink on 3090 which probably does cost a little more

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Em so I don't know about silicon costs, but the 3090 would have lesser yields since it uses more of the die, its also a fuller die overall. 68SMs vs 82SMs. Then they added 14GB of Vram, GDDR6X at that which is more expensive than usual GDDR6

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Also only comes in 1gb chips atm

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They could have gave the 3090 slower RAM, it would have used less energy wouldn't have ran as hot, needed a massive fuck all heatsink just to cool that really hot memory and it still would have edged out the 3080 via bandwidth alone

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 5:03 AM

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you are falling for the trick. yes those things DO cost more, but not as much more as they are pricing it

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Not really falling for it, the 110% price premium is complete Bullshit

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I know that much phaWesker

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:04 AM

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^^

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Ironically even then, the price/performance still outclasses the 2080Ti

lilac geyser Sep 25, 2020, 5:04 AM

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its like how a 16gb iphone costs $200 (i am making up these prices) but the 128gb iphone costs ($600). those extra gbs did not cost $400 extra

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:04 AM

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The more expensive 3090 that is

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Just shows how garbage the 2080Ti was at its price point

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Each card goes up 20% performance from the previous one (in the 3000 series), so it is still pretty ludicrous that the 3090 is more than 2x the price of the 3080.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:06 AM

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The use of 8nm and GDDR6X was a mistake, when RDNA 2 comes out this will be apparent

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This is pretty much Fermi 2.0, except at least they engineered cooling that's capable and not a jet engine

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Oh that cooler is like over $100, so they might be taking a slight loss on the 3080 FE? AIB partners are getting their cooler cost added to MSRP, and then the 3090 is a glutton

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:11 AM

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There must not be very many physics majors who can design better cooling methods.

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 5:11 AM

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designing a better cooling method is easy in terms of raw performance

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i mean, LN2 anyone

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designing something which is easy to produce is another thing entirely

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:12 AM

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I mean, "better" in terms of cost while still maintaining the same level of cooling.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:12 AM

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What was that new cooler that Doc's getting, just make that in GPU form

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Automatically new BFGPU phaWesker

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 5:12 AM

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a good example is a heat pipe

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usually the insides are roughed up like sand paper to increase surface area

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or has grooves carved in to it

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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and as i recall

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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These guys should make a GPU cooler

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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be silent advertised they had both

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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You know what? I'll just get a house fan to cool the GPU.

restive garnet Sep 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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which would be really good in terms of thermal transfer, but its a bitch to make

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Though I guess unlike the Nvidia cooler, theirs would be loud

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:14 AM

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That IceGiant fan costs $169 but only uses aluminum? 🤦

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:15 AM

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When linus reviewed the prototype, first of all it was like twice as big

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And the product page showed an MSRP of 119

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So I don't know what changed where they brought the price up

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Well, that generally happens after Linus reviews something; it goes up in price.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Going by his test though, it yields slightly better results than an EK AIO I think

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Imagine how much better IceGiant's cooling would be if the heatsinks were copper.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Its just releasing this quarter so, it was last holiday season that review happened and they were still testing prototypes

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Um is the coldplate aluminum?

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Yes.

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According to their website, it's 100% aluminum.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Ah

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Odd

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:19 AM

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I get that copper is a more precious metal than aluminum, but it's not that expensive.

vapid crypt Sep 25, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Or maybe not? Perhaps there is a reason for this madness

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Copper is better for heat transfer.

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Aluminum is good for heat dissipation.

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Hence why aluminum is more commonly used in the fins, rather than the heatsink.

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It still transfers heat, but not as well as copper.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Does anyone here run linux with windows on gpu passthrough?

sick reef Sep 25, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Copper isn't used because it's much more expensive than aluminium

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If you made it out of copper, it would technically have better thermal capacity. Though negligible for the cost.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Copper has a higher rate of exchange but is more expensive

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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But its thermal conductivity is nearly double.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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not double

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it's like 20% better

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I said nearly double.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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ah ok its 60%

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I was also speaking in regards to the IceGiant cooler which, for some reason, got a $50 price hike ever since LTT reviewed it.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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but copper is over 3x heavier as well

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https://www.gabrian.com/copper-vs-aluminum-heatsinks

sick reef Sep 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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HmmmUp

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This is why people steal railroad tracks

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Copper prices have even gone up lately so im sure that's out of date

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probably 50% more these days

sick reef Sep 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Roughly the same, apparently.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Anyway, I was talking to someone a while back about running linux with win10 in VM with gpu passthrough... I was wondering how they got around VAC

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I don't think we're allowed to talk about bypassing VAC.

sick reef Sep 25, 2020, 6:40 AM

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No.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 6:40 AM

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well apparently VAC detects VMs now and doesn't like em =/

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and EAC

brisk badger Sep 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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https://buyrtx3080.com
(link is safe, buy the rtx 3080 after you downloaded more ram, not vice versa)

sick reef Sep 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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hmmm

eternal cairn Sep 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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I feel scammed out of a 3080 at checkout just from seeing that link.

finite sentinel Sep 25, 2020, 7:05 AM

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nimble anvil Sep 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Anyone have a 3080 for sale? I'll give you $25 for it

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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"Your Order Is Complete

Congratulations! Your RTX 3080 would theoretically be on its way if you reached this part of the checkout process.

Here's some "confirmation" information to make this feel a little more real.

Confirmation Number: 042069
Shipping Information: Standard"

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: )

brisk badger Sep 25, 2020, 1:27 PM

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HEY wtf that's already my confirmation number 😠 in case we have to share the GPU; I get it on the weekend and you can have it during the week

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 1:33 PM

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No, that's MINE

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Prove it otherwise!!!!

brisk badger Sep 25, 2020, 1:37 PM

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I canceled the order, sorry love 😘

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I hope this youtube channel still exist "will it blend" and I hope to see a 3080 in there very soon 😛

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Haha

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I think they stopped like a year or two ago

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It was mainly an advertising point for their blender though, hah

brisk badger Sep 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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that's...

not dumb

fleet canopy Sep 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Yeah, it was a pretty fun idea