And people are still selling their 2080s for $500.
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
eternal cairn
No, I don't think the listing allowed international shipping.
Yeah, the last guy who bid is probably gonna cancel since it looks like a new account.
0 stars.
vapid crypt
Less maintenance with an AIO? Eh I mean I don't think so, you still want to get rid of any dust that gets in the fins of the Rad from time to time. No different from your standard Air cooler
Also AIOs have an inherent expiration date, meaning you have to replace the thing after a couple years or so. Though I did see an AIO that comes with a bottle of coolant and a place to refill the coolant. So that would be an exception 
eternal cairn
Yeah, just seeing some of the heatsinks makes me cringe at how much board warping it'll result in. 😖
vapid crypt
I've been considering getting a big air cooler, but it would require a new case in the process
abstract kite
Is RAM speed really that important?
Like I know 2666 MHZ is bad, but not terrible...
With a Ryzen 7 though?
merry bay
RAM lasts a really long time, and going above 2666MHz isn't that big of a price hike, for a very tangible performance difference. Performance for $ is okay going up to ~3600MHz. Being stuck with slow RAM if you ever upgrade or expand capacity really sucks.
If you went for a mid-low tier system, losing 5-15fps from RAM would be a serious hit
abstract kite
I have 3200Mhz for my PC
I need to get a SSD I swear
My dad has 2666MHz
Oh god it's D0c he's finally come to ban me.
void perch
2666 to 3200 isn't a huge difference so not likely to notice at all, however when apps are running, they are running out of the RAM after initially loading. Some things will need the SSD/HDD to initially load, then read/write files after (so speed comes into play at those parts), or CPU if there is processing, ram when running the app.
Generally small differences like that isn't hugely noticeable unless you are doing something that measures and highly depends on it. Though it will be noticeable if you do say DDR3 w/ 1600 (12,800 MB/s) vs DDR4 w/ 2666 (21,300 MB/s)
See this chart: https://www.crucial.com/support/memory-speeds-compatability
abstract kite
Huh
restive garnet
most AIOs are near identical, being that they all use the same pump/rad from asetek, so they all perform relatively the same as one another.
the main areas where they are different, is the housing around the cpu block and pump, and the fans, so if you already have fans you like, go for a cheaper AIO, like an EVGA CLC, otherwise, get something decent like a corsair or NZXT AIO
been using an EVGA CLC 240 for the last few years, and literally the only good thing about it, is that its generally the cheapest AIO available, but the fans are absolute garbage, and i am literally never going to use them again
abstract kite
So the B450 Tomahawk is terrible because it only accepts around 3200 Mhz
Of DDr4
Alright
tardy jackal
My build is clean and beautiful so far. But going to be hidden once I install a coolermaster 212 and 2070 
eternal cairn
And in about 6 months, it'll be filled with a layer of dust.
tardy jackal
Bet
eternal cairn
I do.
fleet canopy
Hm.
eternal cairn
Or, worse yet, you discover 6 months later that all of your fans stopped working.
tardy jackal
I have 6 fans 👀
eternal cairn
One month for each fan. JK
tardy jackal
tardy jackal
I imagine I spent too much on my pc build but oh well :^)
eternal cairn
You can never spend too much on a PC build, unless you're using a Quadro as your GPU for gaming.
tardy jackal
fleet canopy
You mean epyc*
merry bay
vapid crypt
I don't have anything 
Only thing I have is they intend to compete with the 3080, and should be around there with the top card possibly better who knows
Oh there was a benchmark leak that showed an unnamed Radeon card or cards that are roughly matching the 2080 and 2080 Ti, so at the very least I hope that's Navi 22 or something
Could be the same card at different clocks though, say the lower clock is on par with 2080 and the higher clock is on par with the stock 2080 Ti
dense wasp
Yeah that’ll be interesting.
I’d be surprised if they can compete with the 3080, but not against them doing so 😅
My guess is around 3070 and less
vapid crypt
The reason I think its better than most people are thinking is because they're giving Radeon its own event, with Vega and RDNA 1 it basically took the backseat alongside the CPUs
dense wasp
Yeah that’s fair enough
And AMD has surprised before
I mean Nvidia was better then I thought as well so 🤷🏻♂️
Just intel going around letting people down 😉
vapid crypt
Cause the Consoles best case are around, well the Xbox specifically its somewhere around 2080Super - 2080Ti
I doubt they couldn't make something faster than the consoles, its their own silicon; and if they can't that would be some horrible scaling 
And Nvidia performance is about where I expected, It doesn't look so great when you consider that yeah the 3080 is maybe best case 35% faster than the 2080Ti; but I mean it is using 30% more energy to do so
They doubled the amount of shaders per SM, and they have lower IPC than turing overall. So doubling cores, less IPC hmmm
Weird way of going about it, but I suppose it must have been the best way of doing it
dense wasp
Yeah the price per performance ratio is pretty wild
vapid crypt
Depends on stock availability
Like Tom from Moore's Law is Dead said, good chance they're going to be artificially limiting stock for this first round
So get it before scalpers do
abstract kite
So what is the first stages that a PSU is going bad?
vapid crypt
I dunno, probably random shutdowns/restarts
abstract kite
Would electric burning smell be one?
vapid crypt
Possibly
fleet canopy
Lol
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
Check each component. It could be some other parts but I guess it’d be more sense that it’s happening to the PSU
abstract kite
When I started to smell it was coming from the plug to the wall and the PSU cord was hot.
When I stopped playing my game I didn't smell it anymore
It wasn't red hot
Hm
Cold I didn't check the wall socket and that would be cold by now.
If it was hot
So I believe it would be the wall socket
Oh no the PSU wires are fine
This is fine
This?
fleet canopy
Fingers reveal
abstract kite
Uhh
Yes
No, but...
The bottom piece of this is open a bit
All other bottom sides are closed with each other
Doubtful
A what?
No mine does not
You know what it could be to...
my neighbors having a bond fire a couple houses down....
But...
fleet canopy
Bonding? Ew
abstract kite
Wire was still hot...
Hmmm
At most I am using 2 TV's, PC and outlet to change my phone.
Believe so.
700 PSU
One 55' smart tv and the other I want to say 24'
Hm
Wait
Yeah 55'
That would be pretty hot.....
Looks like I may need a long electric outlet from my other outlet and plug my computer and other components in there
Need to order it
Think my PC can last a while so I can get on Amazon? Lol
More or less
Comfortable
@abstract kite I ordered a outlet extension and will be here on Wednesday. Do you think so long as I don't play any high performance applications it should be fine until then?
abstract kite
Managed to get a Red Dragon Rx 5700 Xt for under 500$cnd, considering what may be coming, was this a good grab while they were still there? Was the last one.
Managed to get a Red Dragon Rx 5700 Xt for under 500$cnd, considering what may be coming, was this a good grab while they were still there? Was the last one.
@abstract kite
Bad
Waaah!
It was a backlog item and it was the last one, no hit!
Should have saved your money because those cards are about to go on sale
Doubt Power Cooler is going to put it down anything more than 20$
I trust MSI for a deal more than I do them.
With Nvidia, Intel and AMD releasing new gen flagships GPU's they will.
This is assuming AMD doesn't botch this one.
Doesn't matter
Plus we have Black Friday and Cyber Monday in a couple months.
True, guess I just wanted it that badly
However, no Cyber Monday up here.
Canada?
Vancouver
Close enough
Black Friday is the only thing we got.
Ah
halcyon crown
hi i am tony i want to knew how make a server of minecraft can any one say me how
merry bay
Have you tried asking Google the same thing?
halcyon crown
ok
merry bay
Not trying to be dismissive, but there are very clear tutorials that should come up like this. If something doesn't work and you have specific questions, maybe people would take the time to answer.
abstract kite
Hey PC peoples
In the case that getting a extension does NOT work for my PC and I need to get a new cord would this work?
For a 700W PSU?
proper wren
Sold my RTX 2070 for $510 Canadian 
eternal cairn
Lucky.
dense wasp
that's a solid price ay?
eternal cairn
Yeah, but right before the new GPUs drop, I'd assume the RTX 2000 series would get a pretty significant price drop.
Or maybe the price for the 2070 will drop as soon as the 3070 drops...?
north bronze
probably
proper wren
Black Friday sales the RTX 2000 Series are gonna drop hard
bold musk
any word on reccomendations for GeForce GTX cards come black friday?
I still have my old Geforce 980 EVGA from 2016
Damn solid card even still to be honesy
at least for the kinds of games I frequent
jade ermine
Wait for benchmarks :)
fleet canopy
Buy the GTX 750
clear quartz
also AMD is releasing info on October for their next series of GPUs
tardy jackal
Had some issues getting a heat sink literally anywhere but she's almost done. Forgot to take pic after installing gpu. Rog strix barely fit so fml on putting a 3070
brisk badger
looks nice but I always install the heatsink first before placing the mobo into the pc. nothing more annoyin than to remove the mobo again because of forgetting to add/remove backplate etc.
tardy jackal
Wot
Its so easy to install back plate wdym
And you can just tip pc over to place it on lol
Nothing has to be removed 👀
brisk badger
maybe for the specific case you have access from the back but it's in general common knowledge to install everything onto the mobo before placing it inside the case
fleet canopy
Pretty much install as much as you can, including the RAM, cpu cooler, before adding it in. Even if it’s a massive one like a Dark rock pro 4 which would have helped so much if I didn’t have to install it with the mobo in the case.
brisk badger
i had many moments I had to remove the mobo from the case again. E.g the 4pin cpu cable was blocked, blackplate had to be changed etc. The smaller the case the more hassle
abstract kite
@jade ermine benchmark are already avaible
tardy jackal
Well we got everything mounted and plugged up good already no problem :p
And yes we installed lots of things before mounting mobo.
The cooler is the only exception which we know will.not be an issue
jade ermine
@abstract kite feel free to link some that are not random china 3D mark runs
tardy jackal
The issue is getting one
jade ermine
GN, HWunboxed and techpowerup waiting club
abstract kite
@jade ermine well the 3080 is 80% better then the 2080ti
abstract kite
lmao?
jade ermine
?
abstract kite
Thats weird af
jade ermine
Yes in nvidias slides they promised almsot twice the performance compared to 2080
abstract kite
Some dude
Legit Showed benchmarks (not fps) and even Linus showed it
And it was 80% better then 2080
jade ermine
But you were talking about 2080Ti
abstract kite
Yeh
jade ermine
so wich is it :D
jade ermine
abstract kite
Im confused
jade ermine
This is slide from those chinese 3D mark results
80% over 2080Ti is not happening even with 3090
abstract kite
Tf?
3090 has more ram and shit then 2080ti???
Twice the raytracing power
How cant it be stronger???
jade ermine
Games at 4k use 4-7GB of Vram. Sure you get 384bit bus, around 20% more RT cores and more CUDA cores compared to 3080 but those gains dont scale straight to frames
im expecting 3090 to be 15-25% faster than 3080
and 3080 to be 25% faster than 2080Ti
Sure with RT and DLSS we are looking at better numbers
🔮
abstract kite
@jade ermine go sue nvidia for Lyieng
lmao
😂
Well ima still get it tho
From 1660 to 3080 for only 700 is good
eternal cairn
That's stupid, honestly.
abstract kite
Lmao
jade ermine
how have they lied
abstract kite
Why
abstract kite
Well some dude who Was showing himself not being chinese showed benchmarks
Not fps
And 3080 was on 180-190%
While 2080ti was on 100%
brisk badger
✴ᴰᵉ4ᵐᵒⁿToday at 6:54 PM
@Unlucky go sue nvidia for Lyieng
Welcome to the world of marketing lol
brisk badger
85% performance increase seems extreme. Could be a very special use case or test where the new 30 series is faster but generally in games; I doubt
abstract kite
So this is Fake then or what???
Im still confused
Ya know what ok
Around 15-25% better then 2080
I wanna Stop duscusing has no point lmao
All ik is that i will Upgrade
jade ermine
2080Ti and 2080 are very different cards
abstract kite
well im still confused and i still got some time lets wait for amds gpus
and their benchmarks
jade ermine
If they come up with 80CU card like speculated 3080 should be getting some competition
eternal cairn
Hopefully.
abstract kite
u think that amd can come up with raytracing too???
jade ermine
Better manufacturing process, Higher clocks and lower power consumption is expected
They will implement RT in some way because thats where the world of video game graphics is slowly going.
i would be surprised if not
abstract kite
true
but dont they kinda need to buy perms n shit from nvidia cuis its like their thing they made?
or they would just make their own
i dunno
jade ermine
no
eternal cairn
Ray-tracing isn't trademarked.
abstract kite
ah ok
40mins left then i kill die in gtfo
well ima wait untill then thx for all the infos
brisk badger
"up to 2x faster than xy". Says it all young padawan
interpreting charts also can be very difficult and are very often biased. E.g Nvidia probably in the chart above used selected titles, maybe even have driver tweaks that are not present on the older cards and and and.
Whenever you hear something like "up to ..." you can safely discard that info as you know marketing people have made this sentence and will have 0 validity for real comparisons.
Just wait till nvidia releases more info or people can benchmark the cards actually
sick reef
Isn't most marketing discardable? 
Either it's actual numbers, or it's not.
And if it's actual numbers, they are most often presented with methodology.
If neither is present, then it matters equally.
vapid crypt
Marketing is a bitch
People have been thoroughly convinced that the 3070 is faster than the 2080Ti, and while it certainly will be in certain cases; in all likely hood its on par with it in most cases and slower at 4k. Not that you should be getting it for 4k though 
fleet canopy
Who cares about 4K anyways 👀
vapid crypt
It was the same with the 2080 vs 1080Ti, slightly faster in some cases, roughly on par in most cases and slower at 4k. 256-bit and 8gb of Vram is just no match for a 384-bit bus with 11gb of RAM in that case
And sure its less than 1% of the market, might not be significant but there will be an eventual market for it. It'll just be a few years probably? I mean if consoles are giving that level of performance I don't see why displays could come down to similar levels of affordability
tardy jackal
I'd only be getting a 3070 to give my girl my rog 2070 to replace the crappy 970 👀
Otherwise....not even getting much more out of the new stuff.
vapid crypt
I pretty much see 1440p replacing 1080p soon, and 4k coming down to a more common enthusiast option
jade ermine
Are there even any 4k high refresh rate monitors that are over 28 inches
vapid crypt
Not that I'm aware
jade ermine
no wonder its not more popular
vapid crypt
I know they're rolling out high refresh rates at 4k just not sure on display sizes
vapid crypt
Yeah that's just pointless, just get 1440p for that size
I'm seeing 43", 55" Shit some 65" ones
All 2-5 grand though
fleet canopy
I mean, if it’s not specifically monitor, ROG has a goddamn 4K 144Hz at like 65” Kek for about 2500-5000$
But like why’d they even make it if no one could even make it to 4K 144hz
vapid crypt
Depending on the game even a 2080Ti can average over 100 frames at 4k
With DLSS that opens up a bit more, but as we know that's limited to certain games atm
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
I mean, you can always play 4K 144fps on minesweeper
And no. 27” is really great size for a monitor imo
jade ermine
3440x1440/144hz/IPS/UW
MustardRace
fleet canopy
24” I feel like I would be leaning forward more closer than I really would
vapid crypt
27 is too small for 4k pretty much
You wouldn't be able to tell the difference at typical view distances with 1440p and 4k at that size
fleet canopy
At the most, 35” is fair, yeah?
abstract kite
vapid crypt
The Graphics Slayer, destroying frames and gamer's wallets for years to come
fiery panther
Yes
vapid crypt
Less than 1% of gamers, but none the less
abstract kite
Will it be using the Adrenalin Software from the 5600 - 5700XT?
jade ermine
radeon 7 flashbacks from silver shroud and triple fan
dusty pumice
eternal cairn
Like Modern Warfare.
fleet canopy
Lol except modern warfare is okay
Actually yeah considering that space requirement, no way
Not unless I have another terabyte or 2 installed
Christ I have too many goddamn games that I don’t play :(
eternal cairn
Eh, maybe I just think CoD is trash.
abstract kite
CoD is trash
fleet canopy
The new modern warfare ain’t too bad compared to the recent ones
abstract kite
You need a 100TB SSD to just download it.
abstract kite
BO1-2 Zombies was nice.
fleet canopy
Why the fuck do I still play World at war to this day, I don’t know why
abstract kite
Because you like one of the better CoD's
fleet canopy
All I know is I just shoot zombies on a dead pirate ship and go up a spiral of cheese with cheese memes pasted on the walls that are from 2015
Now you might call me a sinner, but even then Ghosts, Infinite Warfare and Advanced Warfare was cool
Ghosts had this epic extinction thing with the aliens, Infinite Warfare had a pretty cool story and I liked how they added more difficulties which included no healing, except with the use of a stim shot and your limbs may be shot and become useless until stim is used
Advanced Warfare had a pretty neat gameplay with their exo suit thing. Fuck them mostly for making zombies a paid thing though
lilac geyser
https://www.cnet.com/news/how-cnet-got-banned-by-google/ just a reminder that google's creator couldn't handle his own search engine being used to find data about himself
it brings a certain level of hypocrisy about google's protest of the EU's right to be forgotten laws
vapid crypt
Good meme
From the looks of it they kinda made it look more gamery if you know what I mean?
Like its quite a contrast compared to the Radeon VII and Vega coolers
coral sand
vapid crypt
2 8-pins 375W maximum power draw
lilac geyser
i was just thinking that, regular pci-e power connectors
vapid crypt
They have no need for a special connector to output more power than that pretty much
Let alone 3 8-pins that some AIB models have for the 3080 and 3090
That's for going balls to the wall with overclocking of course though
fleet canopy
Who and why the hell thought this was a good idea?
vapid crypt
Now listen, I think its dumb and everything; but if it makes Radeon known to the normies its probably not the worst idea ever
I mean we're talking about one of the biggest multiplayer games of the last 2 years now? Sure its dying but its not like their numbers are non-existent... though at the same time its probably pointless cause how many people are honestly gonna play their map or whatever
But yeah its not much different from like having some ad space in a sport stadium or something if that makes sense
Buildzoid rambling about the heatsink of the 6000 card https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uxLy1qWRAk
eternal cairn
Wait, so 375W is the maximum amount of power needed for AMD's new card?
vapid crypt
Not needed, its just the maximum amount of power that can be pushed
eternal cairn
I mean, if you're gonna OC, then that would still be the max needed, right?
vapid crypt
Assuming AMD continues with the amount of expected TBP, its probably a 300W card
That's what the Radeon VII was and the Vega 64
eternal cairn
I just hope the performance at least trumps the 3070.
vapid crypt
I mean assuming its 300W it obviously will or else its a massive failure
eternal cairn
Like their drivers.
vapid crypt
That would put it in the ballpark of the 3080 in terms of power draw
I get it, but the driver issues weren't crash and burn type shit; and they've been working now for a while
eternal cairn
Has AMD announced any prices yet?
vapid crypt
Nothing, just price leaks for the 3070 competitor
Which the alleged price is $549 and it has 16Gb of Vram if you didn't hear about that
abstract kite
So I would imagine that a Ryzen 5 3600x would bottleneck a 3070
eternal cairn
Yes.
Actually, it really depends for certain games that are more CPU intensive and constantly loading stuff in.
restive garnet
Tfw just did my first delid and now my computer isnt turning on
Time to spend the next 4 hours troubleshooting it
Lmao
vapid crypt
If there is a bottleneck it probably won't matter that much, I get the concern for bottlenecks but you're probably not losing that much performance in most cases.
And you can bet there will be plenty of bottleneck testing anyway so you can check for yourself if the bottleneck would be significant before you buy.
vapid crypt
I like to use this as reference
Going by this, granted this is a 4 game average; but the difference between the 3600 and the 9900K with the 2080Ti at 1080 Ultra isn't massive and considering the 3070 will have similar performance; most likely a bit faster at that resolution. I wouldn't consider that much of a bottleneck to be concerned about
In my case I'm running a 2600 so I'm gonna need a CPU upgrade
restive garnet
<@&408548765599793173> might wanna remove cats post, its definitely not safe for work, or probably anywhere else either.
Cheers
scarlet pilot
Thanks! 🙂
restive garnet
Np, i like my tech talk to be, y'know, tech talk
brisk badger
UlfsaarToday at 8:13 AM
Tfw just did my first delid and now my computer isnt turning on
Might be due to pressure. Make sure the heatspreader sits tight on the die
restive garnet
Im confident that isnt my issue
Im assuming that the front panel connectors arent connected properly
Because they arent labeled very well
brisk badger
well if it posts an error code then it may be it yup. if it doesn't then it's more likely cpu / ram related
restive garnet
Im not getting any error code, its just flat out not doing anything when i hit the power button
brisk badger
fans spinning?
brisk badger
released all electricity from the mobo ? (turning power off, smashing the buttons on the mobo for many seconds) or did make a cmos reset?
restive garnet
Havent done a cmos yet
Tbh, i havent done anything
Cant be bothered at the moment
I pretty much bridged it as soon as i realized it wasnt turning on, and havent done anything since
Normally, if i have any sort of short i can hear the power supply attempting to start, but i cant even hear that when j hit the power button
All the error code LEDs are showing normal
And i think i may have put the power button connector on backwards
Because the chassis connector doesnt have + or - marked
So its always a coin flip
Well, it wasnt that
@brisk badger wanna play devils advocate for me?
brisk badger
i'd love to but I am at work right now😩
cmos has been resetted?
heatsink makes enough pressure?
brisk badger
yea 😕
sick reef
It's just the power button that isn't working?
Or did it boot when you bridged it, or did it just spin up?
restive garnet
Bridging gives no power to mobo
So, no
No boot
Just fans
All mobo leds are showing normal
Im half expecting it to be something stupid
Basically nothing at all happens when i push the power button
nimble anvil
Anyone buying the 3080 on Thursday?
abstract kite
That is a OOF for me.
vapid crypt
It should be 499 and 699 respectively
AIBs will charge the premium for their coolers, even though the FE models have the best silicon
fleet canopy
Imagine buying a GPU the moment it releases
abstract kite
Imagine having shitty drivers when you get a new GPU the moment it releases
brisk badger
@vapid crypt aren't these numbers (499 and 699) meant as MSRP / list price?
ah nvidia sells them directly as well
vapid crypt
Imagine the first batch of cards catching fire and causing artifacting
That was Turing, perfect start to the shit show everyone inevitably saw it for what it was regarding its price
jade ermine
fiery panther
I thought that was a nazi cross on the left fan, I was do confused
fleet canopy
®️ ®️ ®️
vapid crypt
That would make a good meme though...
fleet canopy
Looks like it has some Nvidia to it on the design tbf
Probably stealing the design and just improving it 👀
vapid crypt
Yeah sort of I saw people talking about that cause of the side venting with the logo
Its a lot better than what they did with the Radeon VII cooling wise
Cause the Radeon Logo was blocking most of the heatsink
fleet canopy
Kek
vapid crypt
I think its disingenuous to call it a copy paste, that's what I've seen people saying
fleet canopy
It’s more like a copy but change up the words so no one notices
vapid crypt
Well its like a streamlined version of a similar design
Better airflow with the Radeon cooler... probably
Though I guess its cause of the third fan in the center
It needs more space there
fleet canopy
Definitely. The middle isn’t blocked, and it looks more bendy-er I guess?
nimble anvil
That Radeon card is ugly
vapid crypt
Its not as nice as the Radeon Vii I guess, but how is it ugly?
nimble anvil
Big rims on it
fleet canopy
Although if it’s the fan side, I guess so a bit. But it looks really nice and I like the design of it
nimble anvil
Nah the top bit with the black and red
vapid crypt
Oh the red trim
nimble anvil
I mean, if it does the job, that's all that matters though
vapid crypt
It looks like the evolution of the 5700XT cooler, actually being good but with the Red stripe motif
nimble anvil
Idk, just my opinion. Reminds me of a window AC
fleet canopy
The red trim looks pretty nice on it imo if it’s that
nimble anvil
Yeah, the red looks good
fleet canopy
Otherwise, there’s really nothing that looks too bad
nimble anvil
I guess it's okay for a poor people graphics card
vapid crypt
Going by the Fortnite render, the back plate is lacking
Them's fighting words, and by fighting I mean 1v1 in Minecraft
fleet canopy
Lmao I mean, does it matter too much?
Actually to be fair only like 5% ever so go for vertical GPU lmao
vapid crypt
Eh its wasted effort for vertical mounting imo
Sorry I've been playing Death Stranding and was subconsciously thinking about climbing a mountain
vapid crypt
Well it doesn't do anything, that is all
fleet canopy
I feel like it would help in cases of airflow
vapid crypt
No I don't think it really does anything for airflow, especially if you're air cooling your CPU
I guess on paper its nice letting the air flow up out of the case, but that means higher CPU temps if you are air cooling. Not a big deal, but still its not doing anything really other than you might like the way it looks. Which sure its fine if that's what you like
Also I just now learned this but apparently the Radeon VII has a black power coated pci-e backplate... that would look pretty slick if they did that tbh
abstract kite
Just looks like a aftermarket 5700 card
vapid crypt
Sure, reminds me of the Sapphire coolers. Which I didn't know this until yesterday but its Sapphire that actually makes the reference PCB's for AMD, maybe they had a hand in designing the reference cooler this time.
fleet canopy
I guess that’s how we get the nice looking cooler with great cooling as the reference
vapid crypt
Well I did see the dual fan design, I'm not a fan (no pun intended) of it
It has a big tacky R in between the two fans
It was a render so maybe it won't look as bad in reality
fleet canopy
Looks neat
abstract kite
Want 1 fan only
merry bay
that way you're sure the fan functions, audio feedback 
tardy jackal
she's finally up and running boys!
Few more things to tweak and change but glad it's working for now
lilac geyser
looks good
tardy jackal
its legitimately clear of cans for once
tardy jackal
32 is ~unnecessary~
brisk badger
wait you don't render stuff and calculating PI while gaming?
These 16GB peeps... normies
/jk
fiery panther
I only got 16 as for rn
Might upgrade
Depends on the money I get the upcoming months
brisk badger
get what you need. if 16gb are too little then upgrade
fiery panther
Nah
The highest I got was like 80% with chrome, discord, fl studio and a lot more processes open
Lets say FL Studio is not kind to my cpu lol
Definitely upgrading my cpu when I can
brisk badger
you would also have to check the usage of the swap file to be sure that not some part of your ram is moved to the swap file. Espcially when it reaches like 80% it can move some stuff, tho it really depends on the program
*pagefile it's called in windows sry not swap
brisk badger
but as long as you dont feel sluggish behaviour all is fine
fiery panther
My CPU is mainly a holdback
brisk badger
what you got
fiery panther
Ryzen 3 3200G
brisk badger
I am still using a cpu from 2014/2015
fiery panther
It's a quad core
brisk badger
probably faster than mine 😋
fiery panther
3.5 to 4 gHz
brisk badger
yup but nice performance for the price
fiery panther
What specs
fiery panther
Epic
tardy jackal
been testing them for all my majorly played games and oh ma gawd world of difference
i had i5 6600k and 2133 ram, and most games except 1 were on HDD.
tardy jackal
so computer always bogged
fiery panther
Nice
tardy jackal
This pc is going to be nice for years thats for sure
fiery panther
Epico
I have to change my cpu first though
Maybe a Ryzen 9
Okay no
Ryzen 7 maybe
eternal cairn
No, Ryzen 9.
Better yet, just wait until new CPUs are announced (supposedly in October, from what I've heard).
fiery panther
I'm not rich
I can't just get whatever I want lol
If I'm lucky I get just enough a month to pay my Healthcare insurance
With like 10 euro's a month able to be saved
brisk badger
but you can get the previous generation cheaper when AMD releases their new lineup
brisk badger
of course. Well it also depends what you do. If you do certain work for your job that requires it probably is justified to pay more. For gaming primary? No it's not needed and luxury. Yea you can argue it's future proof and you can use it for longer but let's be honest, most people who argue like that are also one of the first getting the newest hardware :p
My work primary consists using a terminal shell. In a company I administrate the IT I am the one with the cheapest hardware tho I have to organize the hardware of the employees 😢
brisk badger
😦 shortened the mobo? or cpu?
brisk badger
scratched the cpu by accident?
restive garnet
Worse
brisk badger
how did you delid? Yourself or with a tool?
brisk badger
from "der 8bauer"?
brisk badger
ah nice!
What happened?
brisk badger
mhm
restive garnet
And the front panel headers are right beside another identical set of headers
And i plugged the entire q connector one row higher than i should have
Which i couldnt see because cramped ass mitx mobo
fiery panther
Oh no
restive garnet
So my front panel wasnt even connected
brisk badger
but nothing was damaged?
restive garnet
Nah
Just stupidly embarassing
Particularly given ive made that same mistake with this board
brisk badger
well still a relief. I had times where i used a screwdriver to start the PC because of similar issues and the power button not working
haha
restive garnet
I tried that
brisk badger
well now enjoy a cool CPU 😎
restive garnet
But i tried it on the q connector
Which wasnt connected properly
Congratulations, i just played myself
brisk badger
xD
fiery panther
F
tardy jackal
We couldn't figure out why my fans were working on my case cause we thought it was all controlled by the rgb hub. I never noticed my buddy helping me didnt connect them to the mobo 
fleet canopy
Lol had a front case fan not spinning due to not being connected. Once I realized that, I didn’t bother to do anything about it until I got my new CPU/mobo/ram
Actually even then I forgot to plug it in
And then like a week or two into living into the new apartment I finally just did it because I had no internet, and I was a bit bored so I noticed it and was like “why didn’t I plug this in a long time ago?”
tardy jackal
Lmao
dense wasp
interesting seeing the 3080 test results coming in
brisk badger
I would call it underwhelming
abstract kite
They are underwhelming
tardy jackal
RIP all of those people mass selling 2080ti
vapid crypt
I mean I already knew the numbers were BS, the 2080 comparison was BS because its just no good at 4k. Obviously the new card with more memory and a bigger memory bus is gonna be way faster at 4k
Still its like 50% at 1440p on average so that's pretty decent
So more 6900XT stuff though, basically its pictures of the card at most angles better than the Fortnite crap
brisk badger
I think a big factor what many forget is the power consumption in relation to performance. My best guess is that the engineers were under so much time pressure that they had to go plan Z and just crank the power consumption up to have a "justifiable" performance difference compared to the last generation
fleet canopy
That’s fair I guess
brisk badger
and nvidia must fear amd. not only would they come out with this series kind of rushed but also cheap
fleet canopy
they’ll just get similar performance with less watt usage afterward for the next lineup I assume
brisk badger
it all depends on amd now. It can really hurt nvidia if amd brings something good. Doesn't even have to beat a 3080 if it's about equal to a 3070 but less wattage consumption then amd is the winrar
fleet canopy
Nah they’ll just be like “haha amd loser” because Nvidia still has the higher performing cards
Not including the ones that aren’t so elitist and dumb
brisk badger
yea but economy-wise it's a flop. only the elite will buy the highest performing cards
fleet canopy
Amd still would make it cheaper than competition so there’s that good side of AMD to battle against NVIDIA
brisk badger
if amd has a faster card than the 3080 I doubt they price it lower. Maybe if it even consumes more power:D
fleet canopy
Hm, it’s not so specific. Is metro really that demanding? Doesn’t say ray tracing
brisk badger
I would say if you give the 2080ti 80watt more (so they are about equal in regards of power consumption) the fps difference would probabyl between 3-9fps
abstract kite
Lmao
brisk badger
metro always was one of the most demanding games
dunno if it supports rtx. ofc this I excluded from my argument
there is surely a big impact in performance difference
fleet canopy
Idk, I played it really well on my 1440p
Only turning on RTX at the highest does it show
abstract kite
@brisk badger it does Support rtx
fleet canopy
It seems like it wouldn’t be RTX. Last I remember 2080 ti was doing 80fps average
vapid crypt
Yeah at 1440p, that's about right
jade ermine
Try something like 15-20%
🔮 Crystal ball did not lie again 🔮
vapid crypt
Who said that?
jade ermine
I said that last night
vapid crypt
Oh okay
abstract kite
Ik
vapid crypt
GUYS ITS 80% FASTER THAN THE 2080, Lol at 4k its like maybe 50% faster best case at 1440p
brisk badger
to be fair nvidia said "up to 2x as much performance
brisk badger
marketing people laughin diabolically
vapid crypt
I'll give them this though, way better price/performance cause they're actually giving you 102 at $700 again
The 2080 was such an insult, and should've been like $600 at launch
Would've been shit, but I mean $800 on launch come on
Check out the power draw
Weird its not posting the image
Oh Discord was just lagging on me
17% more power draw
Over a 1080Ti anyway
20% over the 2080Ti... so 20 - 25% more performance for 20% more power draw
vapid crypt
You know what I got from this, buy a used 2080Ti and overclock it. You'll get a better deal
fleet canopy
kek
This is like a 3090 vs 2080/ti
I think the 3080/3070 is also included but I just saw the 3090 now so I'll just have to see kek
Starts around 4:10
jade ermine
3090 reviews next week
fleet canopy
The 3080 actually does perform nicely to be fair, where in Metro Last light for 4K it goes up 30FPS without RTX I think
fleet canopy
Yeah something like that
fleet canopy
lol
I want to upgrade for the neato RTX for CB2077
Which might be a fairly demanding game with RTX
jade ermine
mmh 2 months or so for CB2077, plenty of time
fleet canopy
I don't have a job lel so I have no source of income
jade ermine
D:
brisk badger
learn how to script
make a script file that auto refreshes all buying pages for the 3080
sell it to unlucky
fleet canopy
The 2080 Ti was roughly same FPS as 3080 on 1440p said by Jayz
This is pretty neat
Just download a simple autoclicker and set it to refresh every 5 second on the restart button @jade ermine
brisk badger
lol
fleet canopy
There was no DLSS being used apparently
jade ermine
Well im not picky so if i cant get my hands on FE one i try to yoink any reference card
fleet canopy
So that's pretty cool
jade ermine
no playing around with new cables is the plus side for those
fleet canopy
I don't really blame anyone for wanting FE
It looks nice
But that 6900XT reference 👀
Really damn nice looking GPU
Better than the entire RTX 2000 lineup
Looked cool ish, but was kind of ugly over time
jade ermine
@fleet canopy That new FE cooler shall replace my 1070FE as door stopper
fleet canopy
lmao
tardy jackal
fleet canopy
Why was the FE for 1000 a damn blower lmao
jade ermine
It has aerodynamic design, Lets all the fresh air come to my room easier compared to custom one
fleet canopy
Ah, I guess
brisk badger
it's funny tho. when I was younger, me and a buddy used to make such scripts for stuff that was available only a limited time or had x items.
We soon found out we are not the only ones with this idea and there is actually many doing this and it became a war of who makes the scripts that are the fastest.
When there is such event e.g devs send out keys through links etc. you always lose, scripters will take all the rewards 😋
the easiest is if they post something in twitch or so, as human it's impossible to win
I also don't do it anylonger. Some sites or giveways I think have some delay included but it's still impossible to deny scripters from the event
apples' rdna2 giveway, I can't wait. Where I subscribe
fleet canopy
So for cooling, the heat from the GPU fan facing to the CPU is not that hot enough
Said to be about as warm as the air you'd feel from an AIO exhaust
vapid crypt
I never thought it would be that hot, because its displacing heat from the end of the PCB
The hottest part is gonna be on the other side of the card where it's exhausting from the back
fleet canopy
The GPU fan that's going to be facing down is more hotter, which won't really affect anything so that's actually a pretty neat way of how it is
I'd like to see a pretty good build done with that GPU though, having temperatures tested with different fan setups with an AIO and an aircooler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTeXh9x0sUc Intro was slightly changed for the 1 million subs from GN
vapid crypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvU_thLGEoM 3080 analysis, and some more RDNA 2 info
nimble anvil
That's fake
vapid crypt
What's fake?
nimble anvil
The 3080
jade ermine
MLID
INFO
choose one
vapid crypt
I don't know what that means
brisk badger
he argues that games today already have not enough vram available and 10gb is also not enough
I am not sure if he is right about that. Given the fact that his only claim is battlefield 5 using 10GB makes me feel like he is wrong.
BUT future video titles will probably exceed that limit for 4k and ofc nvidia doesn't give people by purpose already much vram because else people would not upgrade as fast and to save cost.
people also often understand memory usage wrong. Just because a game or an application uses X GB of (V)RAM does not mean the application the application actually uses it. Often programs allocate more than whats needed
fleet canopy
That's just what AMD is for
Just get their 6900XT if you want more VRAM
Said to have 16GB iirc
vapid crypt
I understand the Vram thing totally, and I don't entirely disagree that 10GB will be enough for 4k in the long term. Imo It will be good for this generation and that's about it
Having to turn down settings just doesn't seem like a reasonable idea for something that's high end you know
fleet canopy
Yeah that amount of VRAM is perfectly fine imo
But they're going to be giving a higher amount VRAM for the same GPUs
So there'll be a 10GB and a 20GB
But of course, comes with a hefty price it does
fleet canopy
Yeah no one's gonna really worry about VRAM unless it's one of those uhhhh
Demanding games
fiery panther
I'm pretty demanding ngl
tardy jackal
8gb is like totally fine for tons of intensive games rn
fleet canopy
Totally fine
But what about
Flight Simulator 2020?
What about
Flight Simulator 2021????
jade ermine
i-im g-gonna COOOM
fleet canopy
Backplate for 3070?
vapid crypt
Look at the ridges
fleet canopy
Looks like the skinny long boi
nimble anvil
Lol, that's fake
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
No
fleet canopy
Actually it's different
vapid crypt
They did well for price/performance
vapid crypt
They had to though, or else they would have been panned
Although the 3090 is not good price/performance
People say they lowered prices, nah because of the 3090 that's not true
fleet canopy
Anything above 1000$ isn't a good price to performance
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
It's what should have been the 3080Ti with double the RAM
fleet canopy
So there is going to be a Titan?
vapid crypt
I don't know, but I do know that's not the full die
fleet canopy
Oh
vapid crypt
Talking about the 3090
fleet canopy
So that's just 3/4 of the die, meaning 1/4 is pretty much not there?
vapid crypt
There will eventually be a 3080Ti that's a cutdown 3090 with half the RAM, I don't know how much it will cost
But if its priced reasonably it would destroy the purpose of the 3090 outside of needing a lot of RAM
fleet canopy
So a 12GB 3080 Ti basically
vapid crypt
12Gb 3090 but yes
vapid crypt
$900 would be nice, $1000 is probably where they will place it though
If there's an FE model it probably would be $900 but AIB's end up charging up to $1000 or more just like the 3080 and 3090
How they're basically charging for their coolers
fleet canopy
Ah yeah
tardy jackal
Lmao the Radeon go BRRRR
vapid crypt
3080 Teardown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX9Eh_NaC5c
frigid dagger
my Monitor count has doubled...
frigid dagger
one in mid is, other one I'm not positive on p but I know it's a 60hz
side one I've had for a long time, and haven't gotten rid of it
still good for looking through discord and such
fleet canopy
It can be easily found out by going into Display Settings
lilac geyser
wow new l4d2 update coming soon
abstract kite
Wait what?
abstract kite
That games as old as dirt
frigid dagger
and?
fleet canopy
So what
Even League of Legends is still getting updates
And that game is fucking ancient
abstract kite
Who cares about LoL?
frigid dagger
l4d2 is still a great game
fleet canopy
^
abstract kite
It is
lilac geyser
how many of the new maps are community maps though
its kind of not right to count those
they say 21 new maps (lol)
er 26
frigid dagger
that's at least four
fleet canopy
It's supposedly an update made by the community approved by Volvo
lilac geyser
ummm, i dont install community content
not that i dislike people who work on that stuff, but i don't like it
vapid crypt
A bunch of stuff, mostly clutter. Need to take some glass cleaner to the desk too
I've been putting it off cause I need to take everything off the desk to do it, including the computer
dense wasp
I'm late to the party,
but I don't know what people where expecting when they say that the results for the 3080 are underwhelming 🤷♂️
I find them more then enough, much better then last generation, to a much better price
brisk badger
Well you don't take power consumption into consideration
If product X performs ~25% better than the previous flagship with an increased power consumption of 20% then basically it means that Nvidia had to crank up the power consumption to make a justifiable difference
In the long run, depending where you live, you pay more money even tho the 3080 is "cheap"
there is nice software utilities for 30series. the hardware I would call a flop
dense wasp
don't really mind the power consumbtion tbh
don't really see what the big deal is there
but maybe that's just me
🙂
flop is a strong word, especially before they even start selling.
3000 will most likely fly off the shelves
but for each his own ofc, I'll happily take the performance boost
proper wren
3080 $1100 in Canadian dollars. People are reselling for 1600
brisk badger
you don't mind. But others like I do. Technological advancement is not made by +20% performance + 15% power consumption. It's also environmentally unfriendly.
Sure if you look at the pure performance stats and compare it to the price it looks nice but remains underwhelming
dense wasp
20%?
Cutting it a bit low to prove a point are we?
Most tests I’ve seen border between 30-50%
But I mean, Im not trying to convince you to think differently 🙂
As said, for each his own
I’m hyped at least 😅
brisk badger
it depends on the games and frankly the testing methodology. Youtubers are not great in testing properly. There is always a discrepancy.
From what I saw, the general improvement is around 25% (of course it depends from game to game). The above example was just generally
raytracing got improved which is nice
dense wasp
Dlss 2.0 seems very impressive
brisk badger
if people buy the new 30series that's their choice I don't think I or anyone is upset about it. Personally if I were to have the 2080TI I probablky wouldn't upgrade
the thing is; All games I love and play don't use these features 😋
(please don't make me upgrade again 👼 )
dense wasp
😅 that is true
Almost no games I play use it either, but since I work with tech I must get it for science
😉
brisk badger
also the voice thingy is amazing that nvidia released. Forgot what it was called
also ludwig, sorry it's unrelated to tech-talk but will there be another GTFO AMA? Would love another one
proper wren
Ludvig are you upgrading all your rigs again lol
restive garnet
watching jayztwocents, most benchmarks put the 3080 at 20-30% better than the 2080ti
granted, jay isnt exactly the most professional youtuber, but gamersnexus showed near identical benchmarks
so personally, i probably wouldnt upgrade off a 2080ti unless you really need the horsepower
or, like ludvig, you have enough money and a good enough excuse to not get murdered when your wife finds out
us 1080ti owners are away laughing though
abstract kite
@brisk badger
yo
can someone tell me the difference between the codenames
i dont see any difference in the specs
its all the same except price is 200€ +
fleet canopy
The only difference is there's quite literally almost no difference imo
Maybe just the small difference in what the base/boost clocks are but overall not something to really care about
brisk badger
my question is; Why is there a white square in the screenshot
no idea what "1.440 / TBA MHZ-Base / Boost clock" means
TBA = To be anounced?
fleet canopy
Yeah
tardy jackal
Why would anyone get the stock gpu from nvidia
Aftermarkets with more fans are better cooling and usually get better aesthetics 👀
brisk badger
I assume it may be a tad cheaper and probably because of collectors value
fleet canopy
The NVIDIA reference isn't actually too bad
tardy jackal
old patrol
Lol
fleet canopy
Livestream of MSI talking about 3080 or some shit
Some MSI guy talking with some NVIDIA guy
fleet canopy
Clocks are somewhat important >:(
Eh they're kinda pointless if you're buying a GPU, depending if you're buying like some high end lmao
abstract kite
evga
abstract kite
noticed the clocks
the evga one
is 200€ less
and is 30mhz slower
xD
in OC mode
than asus
odd portalBOT
That action was successful. 
fleet canopy
What actiaon???!?!?!?!
@odd portal tell!!!!
:((((
So Moore says 10GB isn't enough
brisk badger
We talked about it yesterday. He is factually wrong tho and needs to learn the difference of memory usage and allocation
He might be right for titles in the future. Nvidia wants to make money too hence 10GB
fleet canopy
I guess it's just future titles maybe
But overall no one's getting past 10GB, maybe like a couple games which then the 6900XT can do that instead of NVIDIA's GPUs
But either way, unless there was something that I don't know increases your VRAM usage to whatever number above 10 or 11GB, no one's probably ever going to touch that in a good while
I wonder if it is enough for 4K though
brisk badger
I was refering to 4k (like moore does)
He uses examples of a game hitting 10GB in 4k. He used Rivatuner or whatever tool to measure. Its impossible for these types of tools to actually know how much is in use
A program can allocate more resources than it needs. E.g chrome does this often. So it can reserve for example all memory you have but maybe use a 1/4 of it
fleet canopy
So what you're saying is that allocation is just showing me how much it will use
But the usage is completely different and therefor is less?
brisk badger
Allocate = reserve. This is what external programs see
Actual usage could the also display (in case the app does no allocation)
fleet canopy
Ah so what you mean is it'll automatically take for example if it needs 4GB of VRAM, it'll keep that 4GB and other programs can't use it, so therefor it's there to be used whenever the program needs it basically?
brisk badger
You reserve all 10GB and tell that windows. Windows be like whatever just leave some for Aero. Then internally you may only use 6 of the 10GB but externally what we see its still 10
Why this technique is used has many reasons. Not a programmer so i can just guess. I assume a portion is used to move the textures from ram to vram and back. Like a swapfile. But just a guess
Yup like you said. A game can reserve the vram or ram and then it looks like for us that its much but internally its much less
fleet canopy
Ah, so other programs will limit how much you're allowed to have but it won't display that
brisk badger
I am on mobile i try explain in a bit
merry bay
saw a couple US folk do something wonky and order the Zotac 3080 from German amazon below MSRP. I assume they do taxes later
solid sundial
eat my ass
meager umbra
I’m waiting until Intel supports PCIE 4.0 to upgrade because of future proofing. And by that time the ti series will probably be out
From NV_Tim NVIDIA community manager:
System performance is impacted by many factors and the impact varies between applications. The impact is typically less than a few percent going from a x16 PCIE 4.0 to x16 PCIE 3.0. CPU selection often has a larger impact on performance.We look forward to new platforms that can fully take advantage of Gen4 capabilities for potential performance increases.
The 30x series is tapping the edge of PCIE 3.0 performance
vapid crypt
That's not what I got from that statement
meager umbra
It’s a few percent difference. If it weren’t hitting the edge you wouldn’t see a not-insignificant performance gain.
vapid crypt
Well see cause the thing is, even on a 5700XT there were some notable performance differences by a couple percent. The extra bandwidth is just beneficial in certain cases
brisk badger
but are games hitting the limit of PCI-E 3.0 ? The text mentions "applications"
vapid crypt
That statement didn't say anything about Gen 3 being tapped out though
meager umbra
It’s mostly in transfer rate to the card itself. PCI 3.0 caps at 32GB/s on a 16x lane
vapid crypt
Regarding getting a Gen 4 compatible CPU Zen 3 sounds like its gonna be a winner for a while
meager umbra
Well see cause the thing is, even on a 5700XT there were some notable performance differences by a couple percent. The extra bandwidth is just beneficial in certain cases
@vapid crypt correct but that just means that the pcie 3.0 performance edge is being bumped up against by those applications. I’m only thinking of “future-proofing” for the coming years
vapid crypt
We shall see on October 8th
meager umbra
It doesn’t mean that people won’t see a performance gain over their 10/2080ti and other cards on PCIe 3.0. It’s just that the expected lifetime of maintaining performance is shorter than waiting.
vapid crypt
Sure, I understand that
meager umbra
And personally, I’d rather invest in something that is going to have a longer lifespan. It doesn’t mean that others won’t enjoy their cards for a few years to come
Intel Rocket lake processors will support 4.0
And if you look at the timeframe for release to implementation of the next gen spec, it’s at least a 5 year lag
meager umbra
Be careful of the power requirements
nimble anvil
I know one probably will because it was janky
meager umbra
Oh yeah lol
nimble anvil
Nah, I will cancel 1
brisk badger
if you weren't to run 4k or a heavily setup multi monitor setup you most likely will not touch the limits of pci-e 3.0
nimble anvil
I just ordered 2 because I wasn't sure it went through the first time lmao
meager umbra
Circuit limitations
US home/office outlets (NEMA 5-15R) typically supply up to 15 amps at 120V.
National Electrical Code states that circuit load should not exceed 80%.
(1), (2), together imply that US home/office circuit loads should not exceed 1440W = 15 amps * 120 volts * 0.8 de-rating factor.
The above analysis suggest the following limits:
3x RTX 3090 per outlet
3x RTX 3080 per outlet
5x RTX 3070 per outlet (though no PC mobo with PCIe 4.0 can fit more than 4x)
As an example, let’s see why a workstation with four RTX 3090s and a high end processor is impractical:
4x RTX 3090 = 4 * 350W = 1400W
1x Threadripper 3960X = 280W
1x motherboard = 80W
The GPUs + CPU + motherboard consume 1760W, far beyond the 1440W circuit limit.
nimble anvil
£1600 altogether if they both process the payments lol
meager umbra
At least for US consumers
In the EU on 220-240v it’s not a stretch. And I know most people won’t have 2-4 cards in their machine but a lot have multiple machines
So the same applies if those machines are on the same circuit.
fleet canopy
Hm.
lilac geyser
for the homes I've lived in, almost no outlet get their own circuit, so that limit is shared with other outlets in the room, and lighting
solid sundial
honestly thinking about robbing nasa so i can finally play microsoft cards in 8k 144hz
fleet canopy
Robbing NASA would be difficult
I don't have a 3090 with the 4900X
Never said I had pillows like that
meager umbra
Robbing NASA would be difficult
@fleet canopy I can just imagine someone trying to sneak a whole rocket engine out pretending like it’s not sticking out of the van.
you told me it feels better sleeping on lots of monies
@abstract kite depends on if they are coins or bills
fleet canopy
I don't think bills are good to sleep on
vapid crypt
So confirmed skipping 4000 to 5000 for Zen 3 on Desktop
The reason is for naming parity with the architecture on Desktop and Laptop/APUs
fleet canopy
So the entire Ryzen 4000 is just staying on Zen 2, and the 5000 is landing to Zen 3
vapid crypt
Yeah its so you don't have APU's that are a generation behind but has the same name scheme
So now Zen 3 destop and APU parts will be on the same architecture with the same name
abstract kite
So my computer black screened to an extent.
All audio stopped then it came back, however the screen was still black and I was not able to control my mouse that was visible.
I was forced to hard reboot
lilac geyser
someone get bill gates in here to explain this
late sorrel
that's a good thing, kinda