#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 142

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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I take it the computer isn't for gaming.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Hmm that is kinda weak

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No it's for gaming

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Oh, then you're gonna want more USB ports.

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Unless you have some in the front of your case.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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I only utilize 3 slots. 4th is for a phone cable lol. I got headset, mouse, keyboard. Not a super gamer so.not sure what else I could utilize

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:00 AM

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I mean, if you ever decide to upgrade to a higher-quality microphone.

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Some of those use USB.

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Network adapters, bluetooth adapters...

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Come to think of it I've only used 3 ports on motherboard the whole time. Only used 4th on front case usb

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Which I think my.case comes with at least 1

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I use ethernet only for network. Never cared for bluetooth...not sure what I'd even connect with that. So I suppose yeah I'm fine with the USB

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Having more is probably better than not enough

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I have no idea which MBs to pick from though.

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Definitely want quality to last me 5-7 yeare like my z170 has

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Like I said, for you, it depends on features, but more important are slots and memory support.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Which I think I got what I need for it right?

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This is the hardest part about building a pc haha

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Getting the right thing. My computer has been ran super hard for nearly 6 years. But my mistake was a i5 6600k instead of an i7. And 970...which was bad. Got a 2070 replacement. But the computer is still super good but being handed off to my gf. She wont do much but I havent struggled much with it anyway. I find myself playing CPU intensive games a lot and get bottle necked cause i5 and 2133 ram

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Are you planning on using the PC for video editing or rendering of any kind?

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Nope

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Okay. Just wanna make sure you don't have any post-build regrets. LOL

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:20 AM

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I clip videos from nvidia but that's it

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Although, you might as well go for an i9 if you want a beefy gaming rig.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:20 AM

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I'm not a creative content creator by any means nor would I try

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Idk i9 is a little ridiculous

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Be hard pressed finding a game needing a i9

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:21 AM

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It'll futureproof you though.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Eh I'm convinced i7 will hold me over

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If an i5 can do it for 6 years with still not that much issue

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I7 should be fine

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:23 AM

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It's your call, but if your CPU ends up bottlenecking in the future...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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I mean I'll eventually have to replace my old computer my gf has

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I can make the call then

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:24 AM

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The other thing is that you'll have to get yet another motherboard if you find that the 9700k is bottlenecking.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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An i7, especially 9th gen, shouldn't struggle for 6 years at leeeasttt

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Eh...

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Console literally just got an upgrade to 3.8 GHz.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Like I'm still playing any game I want with an i5 6600k

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I just cant run a bunch of extra programe

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:27 AM

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*laughs in AMD*

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:27 AM

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I hear amd is nice for the multi threading piece. But intel does have the better single core that .most games only use

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And is only $10 more than the equivalent

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Yeah, but games are starting to take advantage of more cores.

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The only current advantage Intel has over AMD are turbo clock speeds.

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Other than that, Intel has serious temperature issues.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Well like its hardly cheaper anymore. Like the ryzen 7 3900x is sitting at 289 and my current selected intel at 299.

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And I heard vise versa on temps. AMD also being more ram hoggy as well

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Honestly, at first I thought AMD had bad temps, but I think it was just with older models.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:31 AM

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I can run instenive games with a 4.2 OC i5 and a cooler master at around 50 Celsius

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No big deal

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I still have my i7 6700k. LOL

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:32 AM

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My old 970 wouldnt regulate itself and thought 75 celcius was ok

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:32 AM

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😬

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:33 AM

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I had to manually run fans and super high speeds to keep it to like 55 or 60 lol

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Got a 2070 and I feel kinda scammed now with the 30xx series

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catnoan

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:33 AM

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I think part of the reason why my temps are higher is because I live in the state with the shittiest climate.

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Yeah, the new GPUs literally just released.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:34 AM

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I bought 2070 a year ago but like still

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What a fuckin leap

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3070 > 2080ti

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???

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A 500-600 gpu is now going to outshine a 1400 one

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KEKW

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Anyway. Tangent. My goal is to figure out what god damn motherboard to get

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And hope my ram is - gud nuff -

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:37 AM

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To be fair, the 2000 series was pretty mediocre to begin with.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Hell it was a leap from the 970

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Yeah, but not so much from the 1000 series.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Meh. Love my rog strix 2070. It will be fine years to come. No big deal. I dont care for 4k and shit anyway

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Its in its infantile stages still

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Once it's a standard I'd probably get the upgrades

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:42 AM

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What kind of monitor do you have?

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Almost nobody does 4K gaming.

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It's more about high refresh rates now.

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Mainly because screen tearing is slightly less visible in higher framerates.

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1440p 144hz is probably the best budget monitor you can get.

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Depends on your budget

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I mean, they aren't crazy expensive anymore compared to earlier when it was very new

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I have a acer raptor g sync .monitor. 144hz 1080p if I'm not mistaken.

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Games look pretty to me

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Yeah, that's similar to what I have.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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But suppose I'm used to old ass TVs and ps1 and ps2 shit growing up lul

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Most people think 1440p is better, but most people sit 2 feet from their monitor nowadays.

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Though if you have a pc that can do 90 fps at most or whatever 144hz is a waste of money for that setuo

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Nah, it'll futureproof you.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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I pull well over 144 frames in plenty of games aside from unoptimized ones with my current 6 yr old PC but with 1year old 2070

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But idk I suppose having more pixels CAN be nice but I'm near blind as a bat anyway

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Do you think bats can see colour waves?

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Still dont think 1080p is bad or not worth it

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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1080 is great

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:56 AM

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Lot of games dont even support the 2k or 4k stuff well yet

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So like I said I'd upgrade when the base meta for games shift to requiring or needing it

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Yeah, I upgraded from 1080p 60hz to 1080p 144hz (with Freesync).

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I'm going to upgrade my cpu first

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Im putting together a whole new build so I can hand down my current one to.my gf

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Hmm

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Just stuck on a mobo

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Imagine being loved lmfao

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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KEKW

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 7:59 AM

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ClassyLULW pain

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:00 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k39qDx

What I got so far.

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I just picked a case that I thought was -okay- for its cost.

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Need more opinions or options for mobo

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Maybe ram too. I figure 3200 is fine... I hope

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 8:02 AM

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3200 is sufficient enough.

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I've made it this far with 2133hz

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KEKW

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📎 20200904_100744.jpg

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Cpu or ram 3200

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Ram

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Was just bout to say

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The 3200 cpu isn't that great

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I did mention ram like. Right before

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KEKW

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I just woke up an hour ago

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I'll let it slide

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:05 AM

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||And I have braindamage||

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Me too ngl

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Epic

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:06 AM

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📎 20200904_100613.jpg

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Heres my current -decent- crap

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I5 was a mistake. This much I know

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But have mostly been able to do what I want

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Nice

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Oh yeah, my side monitor is a Dell monitor from 2004

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vibin

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:12 AM

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My 2nd monitor is a tv

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1080i and like 30 hz I think

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:12 AM

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I know the struggle

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I too had to play on a tv for a bit

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Getting the acer raptor was just.. uwu

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:13 AM

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My main monitor is 1080 60

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And my tv has a latency bigger than the I fell tower

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 8:14 AM

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KEKW

fiery panther Sep 5, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Like it's maybe even a few seconds

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 AM

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did you guys see the 3080 vs 2080 ti video nvidia released?
numbers seems neat

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Geforce RTX 3080, 169 FPS vs Geforce RTX 2080 Ti, 116 FPS,
that's 45%...
I wonder where the 3090 will land

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Granted, it's their closed tests with DLSS but still

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or was it?

clear quartz Sep 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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i thou8ght the 3090 was gonna be 1k5 at least

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theyre out on the 17th aint it?

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:16 AM

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24th for the 3090

clear quartz Sep 5, 2020, 11:29 AM

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i am still curious as to what amd willcounter with

brisk badger Sep 5, 2020, 11:34 AM

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hints give you the GPUs to be used in the consoles that are going to be released

jade ermine Sep 5, 2020, 11:50 AM

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EK FE blocks are not coming anytime soon apparently

restive garnet Sep 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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interesting, EK said a few weeks back that they would have blocks for rtx3k at or near launch

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is that specifically for FE or is that an rtx3k thing?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Me personally I'm just gonna wait even longer, and I don't doubt AMD is withholding info of something bigger than that from their partners

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Cause I mean come on, if the Xbox with 52Cus; the entire system running at 300W practically around 2080 Super or better performance

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There's no way their 80CU card would not obliterate a 3070, it won't even be in the same price class

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If its better than 3080 by any significant margin that remains to be seen

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I don't see them having something faster than the 3080 and being priced the same

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It'll be more, question is how much more relative to a potential 3080 Ti that Nvidia will inevitably release

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At no less than a grand imo

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And people talk up the 3090, but like it only has 20% more shaders; its really only expensive cause 24gb of Vram and all that bandwidth

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So it can't be more than 20% faster than the 3080, likely 15%

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But what are these hopes and dreams you speak of?

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I don't know what I'm bashing phaWesker

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Its simple If AMD is faster price will be greater, if they're only a little bit faster they will be the same price

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If they're only slightly behind it'll be cheaper

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That's the reality of AMD's modern strategy

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Kind of, they did price similarly to intel initially. Prices came down in a matter of weeks though

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I dunno if they were testing the waters, see if they could sell the 1800X for $500 at decent numbers; I'm pretty sure that went down to sub $400 in 2 months or something

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I guess technically they were offering double the cores and threads compared to intel at the time

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So it made sense to have this sort of "halo" product in the stack

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 6:22 PM

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fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Not me

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Master chief, you mind telling me what you're doing with that rope?
"Sir, fixing my bank account."

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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These memes wouldn't be around if Nvidia didn't decide they wanted to charge over a grand for a cutdown 102 phaWesker

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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If they were truly copying intel, we would only get like 5-10% increases for like 20% more money every generation for 8 years straight

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They were ballsy with Turing cause of the mining market, they thought it would last another year or two; so we got 25-30% more performance for a 70% price increase one generation

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Then the 2080 which was just a gimped 1080ti for the same money

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I guess that's comparable to Intel, tiny bit better while saving money and asking for the same price

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I mean they have something to show for it, their marketing is solid and works really well on a layman, then now with ampere they're kind of side stepping criticism by renaming the Titan; reducing the prices over all

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Well I guess the 70 is still $500 that's kind of shitty, maybe that was to cope for those 2080Ti users playing at 1080p or something. "same performance or better for 60% less money" 😱

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It will be a 1080p frame slayer forever I guess phaWesker

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So I guess if that's your thing, go ahead buddy

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$500 isn't so bad compared to $1200

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And 8gb isn't gonna last long at 4k

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That'll be relegated to a 1440p card at best in 2 years

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Maybe less phaSheva

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Yeah I heard at like 27 - 30" screen sizes, the difference between 1440p and 4k isn't very big anyway

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At least you'd be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference, and with new features sharpening textures to higher resolutions anyway

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What's the point?

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Unless you're using a 40" screen or something

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I heard its pretty nice for doing editing and what not on a 4k monitor though

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I don't know what "retina" means in this context

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So if you're close enough you would be able to differentiate the pixels

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Yeah I checked, would be about even with my 22" 1080p monitors

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So I guess uh yeah would be worth upgrading my main one with a new gpu

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If it wasn't over a grand maybe

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Oh you mean with a 3070?

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Yeah the bandwidth just wouldn't allow for it.

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With memory compression and all that crap that Nvidia is good at; the 3080 will be just good enough for a while

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Though its worth mentioning DLSS sucks up that memory from what I understand

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But I dunno I'd give it this entire GPU generation before it starts showing its age at 4k I think

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And the 3070 I mean just get it for 1440p phaWesker

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Or 1080p if you want to destroy the frames

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phaCrow

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 8:59 PM

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It won't leave me alone till I buy it.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Damn you Google

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Looks nice af tho

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Sure, the trio looks better than the last one

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:01 PM

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It's being sold by a mom and pop shop

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3080 gaming Trio 10g

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My sides

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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What?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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One of the places it's being sold in Canada, the 3080 Trio, is being sold by a mom and pop computer shop

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They have 2

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Guess they really are trying to get these fucking things out there, jesus.

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Usually it's either Canada Computers or God fucking forbid Lu Computers.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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But they haven't released it officially yet, this would imply they got it from Msi somehow and is breaking street date

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Asking for a lawsuit phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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They're not there Right not

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As I mean is, they currently have 2 in coming, as in, they'll have 2 at release.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Well shit

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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pardon my quick writing.

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But, yeah, mom and pop shop having a new card at release.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Kek

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Only 2, shows the density of release for a smaller store

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Only 2 for a not global/country wide company

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Thats huge in 2020 tbh

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That's basically 2 cards they just said "We'll take the loss" since it's not a global/nation wide company

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but idk how this shop got it or what deal they struck.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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They're buying for just under MSRP phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Well, we'll see when and if I go there to get one.

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I'll what they're charging kek

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Just under? 1$CAD under I guess

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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God you wish

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Try .50 cents usually.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Or at, I mean the Trio is probably adding $40 or $50

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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You pay for the name above all, and the pretty lights.

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And the MSI 3 fan flex

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💪 Dad bring my 2x4 my GPU is sagging again

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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It seems funny. Isn’t there a chip on both sides? Seems weird it’s only cooling one side

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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No that's not true

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That was speculation gone wild

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There might be certain PCBs that put memory on that back, but that's about it

merry bay Sep 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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case size is the new excuse for not getting 3090

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cool_guy

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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15% more performance for 100% more money isn't worth it anyway PirateSimon

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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3080 is literally just the best

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3090 is just overkill but if you can afford it sure.

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but it aint even size, you can adjust a case if you have some know how.

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it's the fucking WEIGHT

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im scared to put one of those near my PC for fear of it just snapping

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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3090 seems kind of unnecessary for it’s a literal Titan GPU

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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once it drops down a bit ill look

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but i cant budget for that

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Yeah right. It’ll never drop down

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Better off getting a 3080 for much better price for better performance than 2080 Ti

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Waiting for the 2080 to drop to nothing and getting 2 of them

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stonks

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I imagine they would be about 300$ by the time RTX 3000 releases

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I’ll have to think if it’s really worth considering an upgrade now as o have a 2070 Super

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I have other things I consider more important for the moment however. Like a monitor as well as a case and some fans

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Imo Turing isn't worth it anymore unless you getting a 2080 Ti for sub $400

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:42 PM

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If I can get 2 of them for under 800 I will, but if I can't, well If I'm being honest here. I wanna see what else is coming

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The 3080 meets everything I wanted and more and the price blew me out of the water, but AMD always has something at least nice.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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What do you intend to do with SLI anyway?

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Or NVlink whatever

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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My dad and I got talking a few days ago and he wants to go all in on a gaming room.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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So like a 2 in 1 PC?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Wants to more or less make the basement into a game/tv/rec zone but also wants to go nuts with the PC's

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Kinda, sorta, not really.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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So 2 cards for 2 Pcs?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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More so we wants to get 2 PC's the same, or sorta the same, but he also wants the room to be a "Brand match"

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2 cards for 2pcs

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But, this is why I'm up for it

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Brand Match phaSheva

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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He'll pay half for my PC

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Brand match as in he wants to get all MSI, or all ROG, Ectra products

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To try and keep the same flow, or get none at all.

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He's one of those people

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and it rubs off on me, a lot.

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My rig is gonna be cheap so I don't mind.

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But he runs his own company, so.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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You’ll have to be finding a 2080 Ti for under 3070 price if you can. Otherwise the 3070 really is the best you could get for that or more

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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He has a lot of disposable income to blow and this is his latest passion project.

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I told him to wait, see what else comes around before going big.

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But the Canadian market is at a decent high atm thanks to the USD vs CAD

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70 cents to the american dollar, we were almost 40 for awhile.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Oh man that sounds rough

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Mhm

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I didn't know it got that bad

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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It did, for a few months.

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But because people aren't buying from America, we shot up hard to 70 cents

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Its 77 cents atm

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We're literally on par for what the USD is worth in GBP

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So, when I say a product like a 2 2080tis isn't that crazy it's cus at one point

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Those fuckers were almost 2200$ in Canada plus tax.

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A piece.

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Seeing things get this affordable almost overnight is amazing.

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And just that, other products from the US, too.

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And no prices are being changed to counter it, so our base Canadian prices are fine.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Yeah it’d make sense. But now you’ll have to see whether the 2080 Ti will make it lower or it’ll keep on the stupid high price

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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So we're not even paying a premium anymore.

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Knowing how liberal and how rich most people here are.

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I can go to any computer hand me down store and probably find a 2080 TI

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Would have to go into the used market for the best value pretty much

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Cus someone wanted to get rid of it ASAP to get a 3070 or 80

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Because I don’t think they’re going to get any cheaper than the slresdy are

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Yeah, or a flea market.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Yeah the used market could work tbh

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I have a few part swap places around me, some well known others not so much.

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I like going for flare, sometimes. It's why I like buying brand stuff

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But getting it cheap makes me far happier

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I see people asking $450 for 2080Tis, not listing them for that much but I mean the comments are offering that much phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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And the nearest fleamarket near me recently closed for good.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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On uh Ebay

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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30 years and it's done now, sad days.

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900$ for 2 2080 Ti's is a dream

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But, in the end, I wanna see what AMD brings up

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But I don't wanna let this deal pass

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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AMD was going for ray tracing this time around, so maybe it’ll prove to be better

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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It very well could, or, it's going to be affordable and enjoyable.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Well listen to what was said earlier this year

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I'll take affordability and good ol AMD over a 2080 if they come up near equal

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Lisa literally said "We will have a Halo product in the GPU space, and we will be disrupting the 4k gaming market."

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Mmmmm.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Anything thinking that they're only barely competing with a 3070 is blatantly ignoring that statement

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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It's going to try and fight the 3090.

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But it may end up being just a step above a 3080

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Or it could rocket past all of them.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Yeah they could have done it pretty well this time around. But again I’m not exactly sure just how good they’ll be yet

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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It'll try and fall short, but I mean at best the 3090 is 20% faster on average than the 3080 just going by the fact that it has 20% more shaders

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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My best guess, from my experience with old AMD and the trends. They're going to come out fighting, and swinging as they always fal- yup

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Fall sort.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Those guys have leaked way less than NVIDIA

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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That's assuming it scales evenly, so 15% might be more accurate

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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But, in the end, the AMD product is gonna last longer :^)

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Even if they don’t compete against the 3090 they still have the hand in price to performance

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Maybe they'll keep the trend and make the price lower and we see a return to old price styles.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Knowing the 2080 Ti was a great choice for 4K, no doubt a 3080 will be too

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Well define compete against the 3090, cause let's say they get within 10%, would that be competing with the 3090 or just overshadowing the 3080

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Did you see the 3080 vs 2080ti stuff NVIDIA showed?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I see ludvig

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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There will be a 3080 Ti as response

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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So even if they aren’t going past 3090, they’re just going to keep up with the low price high performance style they’ve done quite a while

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Ye

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Benchmark Gameplay using Doom Eternal?

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Yeah

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I mean, it’s from NVIDIA ofc

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But still impressive

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IhRyZ2N4H0

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Check this one out.

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7 games rather than just one

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Can’t now, but will soon

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Good results

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?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Testing at 1080p?

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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We’ll really see for ourselves when the reviewers get hands on like GamersNexus

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Mhm

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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But why though

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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1080p on Ultra

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Lol nice cpu

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i9-10900k

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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I don't care if its ultra, its 1080p. We're talking about memory busses that can handle 4k no problem

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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It’s the % in tests I’m interested in the most, if they’re all at the same it’s good numbers imo

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Ah okay it shows 4k as well

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Ye

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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So in Modern Warfare its 33% faster at 4k

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Fortnite in 4k omg

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Will be super interesting to see how 3090 compares to that as well

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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For now, I think it won’t be a good idea listening to NVIDIA about performance. GamersNexus and the others will really show how good it is because I think NVIDIA just going to be like, shitting on us a bit on the performance

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Pft I want minecraft in 8k resolution 210+ FPS

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Add 15% phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:03 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1fLf3UToX0

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Ask and thou shalt receive.

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RTX 2080 Ti vs NVIDIA RTX 3090

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Its 50% faster at Modern Warfare apparently

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Ofc you have to take NVIDIAs words with a bit of salt,
But still damn Impressive cards

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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They are impressive cards.

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It's amazing how far it's all come from 97

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Much more impressive than the 2000 series was to the 1000 series.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Back from Doom and shit

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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I'll call them impressive when they refresh it and shrink the node so it isn't consuming 400W phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:04 PM

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I never in my life as a kid thought I would live to see what I see now.

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I thought I would be playing polygon doom clones till I was 30

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then quake came out

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Can’t see AMD even coming close with anything with GPU related at least.
But I’m pumped for more cpus

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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AMD CPU is going to be great, but I wanna believe in AMD

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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1000 to 2000 was shit tho 😅

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NVIDIA got lazy

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I have faith

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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It really was.

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Not at lazy as intel tho

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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They weren't Lazy, they were greedy

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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^

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I was about to say

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Greedy

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They got complacent because they dominated the market.

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So they basically said "We can do whatever, fuck it."

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Now Nvidia is on their heels since AMD is starting to rise up.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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and we kinda had to accept it, till we didn't.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Well kind of that, and the mining boom they anticipated to continue

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Lazy/greedy,
They lost the consumer first attitude

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Thanks BTC for making GPU companies drop prices

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:06 PM

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If they ever had it 😅

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Every company so far has lost the consumer first attitude

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yeah the reason I think the 3080 is such a big lift is cause they know AMD has something decent

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Now it's the stock holder/share holder first attitude

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Corporate is a weird place

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Haha

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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It is

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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They could have easily slapped a Ti on it and put it to $1000 with 12gb of Vram

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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But it’s a good time to be a hardware geek

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yeah the reason I think the 3080 is such a big lift is cause they know AMD has something decent
Or they're afraid AMD has something up their sleeve.

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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So I’m happy

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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because in the end share holders and stock holders need to stop having so much share in company ideas

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thankfully we're all learning

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and getting better

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I dunno if I would say Afraid

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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2020 is the year of old ideas made new

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2021 is gonna be good

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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NVIDIA gpu department is not worried about AMD 😅

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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its gonna hurt

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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At least not my contacts 😂

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Who are your contacts though AIBs?

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I mean, it's not like Nvidia has spies at AMD, so nobody can say for sure that Nvidia knows AMD has something decent.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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gonna rock star wars squadrons in 4k tho

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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AIBs didn't even know that the shader count would be doubled

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Been dying for a Xwing vs Tie Fighter return.

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I’d be VEEERYYY surprised if AMD had anything close to even the 3070 tbh

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I mean hopefully I’m wrong

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But still

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Hold on though

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Well I can promise you there's at least a 3070 killer with twice the Vram, that's what the AIBs know

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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If their improvement in GPUs takes a similar turn to their CPUs, they might have a shot.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Just how well can it run minesweeper though?

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@eternal cairn aye

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I mean I hope I’m wrong

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Ryzen 9 is a lovely CPU

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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The Xbox Series X is doing 2080 Super performance with a underclocked CPU and a total system Watt limit of 300W

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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It is

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I love my 3950 😅

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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That's 52Cus

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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What r9? 👀

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Ryzen 9 3900XT

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I didn’t love the 5700xt tho

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Remove the power limits, cpu clock limits and clock the gpu to over 2Ghz

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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At least the Xbox Series X is getting better specs than the PS5.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Poor 5700XT

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Or whatever it was called

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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It tried

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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my dad said i should have got the 3950X

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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That's beating the 2080Ti on paper anyway

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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but lol 1000$

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Haha it did 😅

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It was hot a furnace as well

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As a

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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They 5700XT isn't that bad... Anymore...

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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The PS5 is clocking higher, so it might not matter as much as you think

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I've been told it's fantastic

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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No it isn't? @vapid crypt

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Just needs to be cooled

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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12 cores vs 16 cores doesn’t really seem so much tbh Derri

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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And it could reach degrees of 110c

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I'm deciding on some fans

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but im a lazy butt

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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It is, its clocking 500Mhz higher

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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And, honestly, I need a new case.

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Thinking im gonna get a big box on wheels.

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And roll that bitch around

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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It was hardly on par with the 1080, the 5700 that us

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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The GPU might have less CUs, but the clockspeed will make up for it. I'm not saying they'll perform the same but you know

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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But it’s going to be intrereating to see what they come up with

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Im pumped

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Like I don’t think you’re going to expect crazy performance out of a 4 core difference unlike if it was a smaller core count

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Where are you seeing the PS5 having higher clock speeds, @vapid crypt?

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Because that price just doesn’t justify it

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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What's his name Mark Cerny?

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Console wise, I find it hard just looking at the specs tbh

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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They revealed the clock speed of the GPU to be 2.23Ghz

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The Xbox is clocking around 1.8

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Oh, you're talking about GPU.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Yeah the CPUs should be clocked the same

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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This generation, the Xbox was clearly the better performing machine,
Didn’t stop the ps4 from owning it 🤷🏻‍♂️

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Well it owned it because of actually having exclusives phaWesker

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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^

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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And better looking games 🤷🏻‍♂️

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 PM

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People are saying Microsoft wants to move away from console gaming.

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The only decent MS exclusive is Halo, but that's on PC now.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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They sort of are, they're making Xbox a gaming brand not exclusively a console brand

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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And then they have Forza Horizon, for whatever reason.

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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But having the right games are a huge part of making a console tho, so creds to Sony

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I mean, last of us 2 looked better then anything I’ve seen on the Xbox

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Narrative driven games with a ton of budget tend to look great

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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The only other drawback to the PS5 is, unlike the Series X, not many previous generation titles will be backwards compatible.

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Since most of their budget is high poly models.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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So far from those benchmark videos I'm getting 3080 is 30% faster and 3090 is 50% faster than the 2080Ti respectively. So how about that it scales well

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20%

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Still a better looking game then anything I’ve seen on the Xbox, doesn’t really change anything 🤷🏻‍♂️

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Wait, what's 20%?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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The difference between the 3080 and 3090

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Oh.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Pretty much exactly what I expected

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Didn’t you guys just say the 3080 performanced between 30 and 50% better then the 2080ti?

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Performed *

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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No I said the 3090 performed about 50% faster than the 2080Ti

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:20 PM

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And that’s only looking at the specs?

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I’m talking about the benchmarks

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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No I'm looking at these benchmark videos here

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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And they had the 3090?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Shows framerate, using a percent calculator its averaging out to about that

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Thought they only had the 3080

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Ah I missed the last video posted

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Interesting

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Will take a lookie

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Now they didn't compare the 3080 and 3090, I'm just assuming based on the 2080Ti comparison

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And it makes sense since the 3090 has 20% more shaders

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Yeah ok that makes sense

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And I’m with you there

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Could be something that effects it more tho, so will be interesting seeing the techtubers deep dives

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Ah so with AC odyssey the 3090 is 74% faster than the 2080 Ti at 4k phaWesker

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:24 PM

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That MarkPC claiming to have 3090 tests.
Never heard of the guy are they legit?

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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That's a percentage difference I like to see.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Couldn't say

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Hmm he did make one comparing the 3080 and 3090 actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cApmTswEXjQ

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Again just wait for reviewers. I don’t think the numbers are even close to being what it really is tbh

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Has Nvidia mentioned a GPU that surpasses the 3000 series but costs like $2,000?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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No not yet, but its possible

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Nah

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Naw

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Its possible they'll have one with double the Vram of the 3090 running at a slower speed for like 3k

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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3k?

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Maybe they’ll release a Quadro 9000 but that’ll probably not happen until a few more lineups

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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2000 feels like an awkward price point,

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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What a weird resolution.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:27 PM

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3k money phaWesker

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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If they do another titan I’m guessing I’d be a lot more expensive then 2

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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In other words, double the ram double the money

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Wasn't the Titan like $2000-$4000?

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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It was 2500

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Around 2 yeah

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But now they got the 90 to cover that range 🤷🏻‍♂️

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:28 PM

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There's room for more shaders

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So I can see them doing it

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Like when there was the possibility for more cores when reviewing the Ryzen 3000 lineup?

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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I still want to build a 3990 rig 😂

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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You know what thinking about it those videos might not be real phaSheva

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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A 3990 with a RTX 3090.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Just wait for 4900X smh

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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I'm gonna assume they're fake

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Even if the numbers seem accurate to what I expect

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Kek

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Yeah, clickbait.

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Always better to just wait for reviewers like GamersNexus anyway

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:32 PM

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It seems like they were doing real benchmarks before, and are just capitalizing on hype by faking benchmarks

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:32 PM

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What else could it even be anyways

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I still believe that the 3080 and 3090 would be about 15 - 20% apart though, just based on the shader count

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Yeah I mean I wouldn’t get a 3990 now 😅

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Literally any benchmark by NVIDIA or anyone else before the release of anything is a literal fake about 90% of the time imo

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I wouldn't call Nvidia's benchmarks fake, but I would say they're certainly picking the best case scenarios

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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I can see Nvidia exaggerating their benchmarks a little though.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:41 PM

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who woulda thunk that

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Nvidia Stans

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Or literally anyone that drank the marketing Kool-aid

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:41 PM

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we stan AMD here

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at least thats what my CPU says

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Nah, that's lame phaWesker

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:42 PM

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ur lame.

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I can't stan Tuf despite that being my dads current motherboard

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I will shit on AMD equally if they deserve it PirateSimon

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Well, yeah, as any real fan should.

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shit on your own product for not meeting its expected benchmark just as much as you do another one for failing hard.

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flex

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Fans will turn on the companies they love in a heartbeat

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Then the company will dismiss all of them.

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^

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This is the way.

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This is the way.

#

Mando

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Hm.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:44 PM

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I take the Ampere pricing as acknowledging how shit Turing pricing was

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Which was basically most people when they announced Turing

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"YOUR PRICING IS SHIT!"

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Discord nitro kek

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I hope AMD get's their fucking drivers right the first time.

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^

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blobcattableflip

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Please let me play games in peace

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PELASE DONT

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OH MY GOD IT CRASHED AGAIN

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ROLL BACK DRIVERS NUMBER 435234

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Drivers have been working well for a while

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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16-18 me cries

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I think they figured it out

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:46 PM

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They did, recently.

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End of 15 to the beginning of 18 AMD drivers were hit or miss.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:46 PM

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They've been updating more frequently

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At least I noticed that the past couple months

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Things have been steady for everyone, I don't hear anyone complaining or see any more complaints about driver failings for games.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Apparently there are some, but when isn't there?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:47 PM

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So, so far things look okay, but it was bad.

#

Well, it's AMD

#

What the fuck did you expect when you bought an AMD GPU :^)

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I don't think its exclusive to AMD

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Beginning of 5700XT Drivers made me cry, however AMD's GPU UI is much better then Nvidia's 1980's Control Panel Scheme.

#

Mostly AMD has the driver problems with games.

#

Rarely is it Nvidia anymore.

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No I say they flip flop

#

I see one or two newer games get a Nvidia issue but it gets patched out quickly

#

AMD problems stick around the longest, I guess.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Technically you can get the drivers without Geforce experience

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Yeah...

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Yeah, that's it. AMD issues stick around longer, Nvidia ones are patched out faster.

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I don't really read any problems anywhere else.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Probably better off to, I wonder if that's been part of the problem with AMD

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Nvidia has been in the game too long to have that shit affect their Cards

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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They want to bundle their drivers with some extra software

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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AMD is making a slight come back

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Nvidia has its hands in so many pockets, you mean.

finite violet Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Do we know anything about the power consumption for the 3000 series?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Yeah...

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750watts

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blobcattableflip

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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350W 320W 220W

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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the 3070 was lighter, I recall?

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I have a 700W PSU

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FML

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Kek

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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750 is recommended PSU requirement

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Which, means, go a lil higher to be safer

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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650 for the 3070

eternal cairn Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Yikes.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Get 800 to be okay.

finite violet Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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my 850W should be fine still then 👀

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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900 to be comfortable.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Maybe, how old is it?

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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1000 to be safe

finite violet Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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probably like 8 months now

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Yeah.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Then yeah its fine

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I think you're good.

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I got a 4 year old 900 watt PSU

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I think I need a more modern one, now.

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I suppose better safe than sorry

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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With how much those new cards are demanding? Yeah.

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I'd rather my rig not fry itself or explode

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Nvidia is recommending using separate cables for each connector, for those models that are using multiple 8 pins

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Hm.

abstract kite Sep 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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mmmm

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mmmmm

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 10:56 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xve2DIhN3z0

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More RDNA 2 info, and some details about RT and Tensor cores on the 30 cards

tardy jackal Sep 5, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Still looking for second opinions on my gaming build. I'm mostly unsure of the ram and motherboard choices. Interested in hearing thoughts.

Someone mentioned not enough USB ports, think it's only 3.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k39qDx

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(I already upgraded to a 2070 a year+ ago with my current so that will be going with it)

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I would question your platform choice in general, Z390 is old and you can't move up from there

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I guess technically there is one upgrade the 9900K but that's where it stops

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Everything else looks okay though

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I mean nothing wrong with the computer - I just wouldn't buy a CPU at this given point in time

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I'd wait a month or so to see what AMD is up to

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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^ This

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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After all, won’t the new GPUs need something better on the motherboard now? Considering that a 2080 Ti nearly maxed the limit of a PCIe x16 slot

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Zen 3 while we don't have definite details, its gonna outperform 10th gen Intel at everything most likely

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And no I don't think it maxed out Gen 3

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That being said I don't know where the 3080 and 3090 sit by the regard, if they do max it out then be sure to get on Gen 4 for the next generation phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Maybe I’ll consider upgrading again since we’re having a real promising performance increase now

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Nvidia are using 10th gen intel for benchmarks

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So it must not be entirely relevant yet

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I mean, both the 9900k and the 10900k are fine,
they are just so boring

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especially the 10900

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Boring and inefficient

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5Ghz, 300w oh boy

fleet canopy Sep 5, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Literally same CPU Kek

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Just add a couple cores and call it a day PirateSimon

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Rocket Lake, that is 11th Gen might be more interesting. It will be a blip and they're gonna reduce core counts, they're capping at 8

dense wasp Sep 5, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Yeah hopefully AMD will force them to evolve a bit

vapid crypt Sep 5, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Alder Lake 12th gen is where they're actually gonna progress

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I think they're targeting 16 cores, and they're going with a big little design, where they'll have half the CPU being essentially for background tasks

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Sort of, that's a simplification; so like they'll have 8 big cores that do all the heavy lifting, and 8 smaller cores that handle smaller tasks typically background stuff

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That's what leaks are saying pretty much

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:06 AM

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That’s funny. Couldn’t they do that with 12 cores? 4 for background, 8 for gaming/heavy

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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So something I know is that they are disabling Hyperthreading on the small cores too

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So it'll be a 16 core 24 thread CPU

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Although to be fair, I guess that’s quite a really nice bonus when you can have 8 cores for streaming and 8 for gaming

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That’s kinda weird. How come?

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I don't remember that's something moore'slawisdead covered though

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https://youtu.be/GqErX7VkitI?t=580

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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That’s a brain fuckery to read right there

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Oh its because their ring bus doesn't scale great past 8 cores

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So splitting things up is what they're gonna do

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Eh. Still isn’t that bad I guess. Not really like you’d ever need multi threading for background programs so that’s fine I guess

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Why did that send 4 times? phaWesker

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I fucking hate the lag.

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Mobile problems smh

restive garnet Sep 6, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I feel like its worth pointing out that most systems should be able to run a high tier mainstream desktop cpu with a 3080 on a 650w psu

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Just better pray for no ripple lmao

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Just get a quad rail like me PirateSimon

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Actually I have 750W so quad rail probably wouldn't matter

restive garnet Sep 6, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Im running a heavily oced 8700k and 1080ti on a 650w evga psu

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Only chugging about 450w under full load

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Eh, I guess it’s fine. They’re going to go from high power consumption down to a lower amount but performance staying at a slow increase

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After all, that’s what AMD did before. Not really something to worry about anyways

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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The use of this new 12 pin is weird though, I guess its just so they don't have to use multiple 8 pin connectors

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It does do a good job of saving space on the pcb

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And considering the compact PCB sizes they're going for that makes sense

restive garnet Sep 6, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Makes a lot of sense to me, just a pain in the ass given the nature of standardized modular power supplies

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And the lack of standardization too, i suppose

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All the connectors are the same, but the pinouts get really shitty

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:36 AM

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So that's why im asking for second opinions, ive lasted 6 years with an i5 6600k, i dont think ill have any future concerns with an i7 9700k.

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But I'm more concerned with a mobo and what other options I could get

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Personally, don't care for AMD anyway... they've got their own issues on both sides, but the ryzen 7 3700x, the equivalent to my selected CPU is $10 less than the intel one, to which that 10 more dollars is actually still a lot more perfomrance. so oh well, regardless, no need to debate CPU

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My i5 6600k is still extremely solid as it stands right now and my GF will be taking this computer. I have mainly ran every single game on max settings no issue, running it hard everyday for all those years. I was mainly concerned with going from an i5 to an i7 to get a little more out of it/small future proofing.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Not a lot more, but sure there's slightly higher framerate at 1080p when using a high end GPU, and then generally slower at everything else

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As for the motherboard it looks okay, the size of the heatsink on the power delivery is a little sus maybe? I'm not an expert personally

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I guess I would say, don't get that board if you plan to drop an i9 into it in the future

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:53 AM

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i9 is excessive for my gaming IMO. I'm not going to be doing rendering, video, streaming, etcetc.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Might be excessive, might be nice to have down the line if you do need it then

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:54 AM

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like i said i5 6600k OCed to 4.2 has ran strong with minor issues

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:54 AM

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But by the time that comes up you might just get the latest stuff that's the best for the money anyway

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:54 AM

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the only struggle was truly the new Modern warefare lol

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:55 AM

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6 threads is rough now, I can't really say how long 8 has

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:55 AM

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which my 2133 ram comboed with shitty HDD and and i5 , the warzone mode struggled for a few initial games and evened out.

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But that has been the only game that struggled

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:56 AM

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2133, was RAM expensive at the time you got it?

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:56 AM

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6 years ago

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2015ish

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let me grab my specs

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📎 unknown.png

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This was $1500-1600 total (only it had EVGA 970)

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Oh nevermind then, bad call on the speed probably

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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I dont remember individual costs.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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RAM started going out of control in price in 2017 and stayed like that for around a year

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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the i5 and ram was the bad call. and 970 was garbage for temperatures.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Didn't get good til 2019

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:59 AM

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love my current Rog strix 2070

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heavy boi

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 12:59 AM

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It was Ram manufacturers colluding to bring prices up or something

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 12:59 AM

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orly

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lul

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Your average 8gb stick of DDR4 was going for around $80+

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:00 AM

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It's a shame but like...the computer build i have together now on PC part picker is literally 1550$ with my 2070 cost included.

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and look how much better it is comparatively for the same cost..

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Well yeah newer hardware phaWesker

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:00 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k39qDx

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Its new hardware AND upgrades.

eternal cairn Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Wait, why did you have a 1280x1024 monitor?

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Uh yeah... that's redundant

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But yeah

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Nice pc

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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i5 > i7
120 SSD > 1 tb m.2
1 tb HDD > 2 tb HDD

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Are these your upgrades?

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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not redundant

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:P

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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we got the same harddrive

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kek

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Newer (generation) + upgrade (hardware)

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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good ol barracuda

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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You're always gonna upgrade if you're getting all new hardware, so yeah redundant PirateSimon

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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well no

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cause i could just get another i5

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new generation i5...

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Sure, but a new i5 on 10th gen

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Has 6 cores and 12 threads

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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and i5 is still shitty compared to i7

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end of story.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Shitty eh I mean debatable

eternal cairn Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Depends on the use case.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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If we're looking at locked parts 100% true

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Cause Intel is scum and they lock RAM speeds to 2666 for i5s and below

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Nah not really. 10600K proves better than 10700K in gaming performance for the price

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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my i5 6600k has done me well to service me well for 6 years hard, and its going to continue with someone else, but it was a little bit less than i wanted.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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i7s and above that are locked are locked to 2933

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Cause Intel is scum and they lock RAM speeds to 2666 for i5s and below

Hello i5 user here.

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this is true.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Well yeah not for The K skus though

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If you have a K and a Z board then you can clock the RAM up fine

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The limitation applies to anyone that got a 9400F with a B board for example

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Thankfully I got an MSI Z board, so.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Or for whatever reason if you got a B board actually

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Literally bypassed it all

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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That's pretty shitty

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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But before I had this board I had a really old one.

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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I was not as knowledge as it was my first build so thats what i ended up getting. and like i said its only struggled with one game so far, COD MW. lol

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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but now we upgrading

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Well I heard it was a hard one to run

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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And plus, there’s quite a fine collection of i5 now, even the 10400 was a better choice than a 3300X or the 3600 so I’ve heard

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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This time around, definitely making sure i get something quality and good.

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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MW is fucking hard to run on even top systems.

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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yeah its unoptomzied

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100%

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Mhm.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Or it was the 10400F

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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As expected.

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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butttttttttt

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Why not just look at 10th gen if you're adamant on Intel

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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only on warzone

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multiplayer was fine

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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At least you'll get support for Rocket Lake when that comes out

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Well hopefully

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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cause the i7 9700k is 299

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Only in warzone? Funny.

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:06 AM

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vs 400-450.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Sure, but the 10th gen i5s are objectively side grades to a 9700K

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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tis not going to be a major leap in performances

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from 9th to 10th gen

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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You get 6 cores and 12 threads, 8700k pretty much

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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im getting an i7 tho

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not an i5 lol

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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You’re better off investing in a 10600K than a 9700K imo

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I think I made myself clear, 10th gen i5s are a side grade to the 9th gen i7

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Hence why the 9700k is 299 in the first place, it was 399 last year I think

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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normally like 350

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320-350

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amazon holiday sale brought it to 299

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and ryzen 7 3700x is 289

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lol

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Can you find a 10600k at all?

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:09 AM

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an i5?

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260 from intel directly looks like

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:10 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10600k-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118124?Item=N82E16819118124 290 on Newegg

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Theres no way a i5 is better than i7 in core performance

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with 1 gen apart

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Not better, more like the same

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That's arguable though since it has more threads

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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No. As said, literal side grade = same performance

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Yeah that's a side grade

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Just like how the 9700K would be a side grade to the 8700k

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Think of it that way, the 10600k is a cheaper 8700K

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Well kind of, barely

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But sure let's go with that

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Quite literally, the 10600K is the best CPU out of all the 10th gen CPUs in price to performance and general gaming performance most people would have

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:13 AM

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The extra threads makes it better some might argue, and the support of 11th gen later just adds to it

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Since you need to go for a Z490 board

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:15 AM

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z490s are pricey

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:15 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KXpmP6/msi-z490-a-pro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z490-a-pro

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Just a bit more, that's a good board I've seen it tested

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:15 AM

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All you really would need is a 6c 12t CPU like the 10600K. The extra 2 cores could be debatable in terms of streaming but ever since Ryzen 3000, I’ve just about never paid attention to them anymore lol

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I guess it doesn't have RGB features if that's a point of concern, but I don't decide pricing Intel and the AIBs do PirateSimon

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Oh you know what https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fyRgXL/asus-prime-z490-p-atx-lga1200-motherboard-prime-z490-p

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Yeah that is also an Asus board like the one you had picked out; I've also seen it tested its about as good as the MSI one

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I like support ASUS

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they make good products.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:18 AM

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And to be fair, even if the price is a little more, you can really get something good out of paying a little extra

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I'm aware of investing :P

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I have room

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just hard to see for an i5 to be a choice over an i7 with 1 gen apart.

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i guess

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Well its kind of the same when they brought core counts up initially

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With Kaby Lake, the i7 was 4 core 8 thread. Coffee Lake the i5s are 6 core 6 thread

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Objectively side grades

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Kinda like having a 2070 Super versus a 3060, but that’s quite insane of a conparison but you get the idea

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:21 AM

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like dude if an i5 6600k can be gucci for 6 years and STILL be gucci while on a 2133 mhz ram struggle bus, I dont see the 9700k or 10600k being a huge issue for the same amount of time if not more.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Or even a 2080 vs a 3060, kinda wonder just how powerful the 3060 is compared to RTX 2000

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Its not a huge issue, you can get whatever you want. You wanted the second opinion, and 10th gen i5s are the perfect side grade to what you've been considering

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:21 AM

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ngl I FEEL scammed that i got a 2070 and the 3070 is just like HEY, guess what, Im better than a 2080 ti thats $1500!

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:22 AM

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When did you get your 2070?

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:22 AM

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but i dont feel a lack of performance whatsoever with a 2070 anyway so

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like year+ ago

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Well that's how hardware advancement really is, people don't think about that too much; and really you shouldn't

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:22 AM

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IF anything my i5 is holding my 2070 back.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:23 AM

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But you should get the best you can at that moment provided you know there isn't something better around the corner

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Ah. I’ve got mine about 2019 ish. I’m a little disappointed but I really needed a better GPU since I used a 1440p and 1060 3GB ain’t ever going to cut it

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Which I mean that Zen 3 though, don't know when its coming out exactly but its in the next 2 months for sure

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:24 AM

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i had a 970 that thought 75 degrees was an okay temperature underload

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which its not a horrible temp

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but its vram was garbo too

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:24 AM

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That's not too bad I guess

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Shit if they're willing to gimp the last 512mb, it must be crap phaWesker

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:24 AM

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my 2070 chilling at 35 regularly, and 50-55 under load without trying.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Sounds like it had an awful cooler

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:25 AM

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oh my 970 chilled at 55-60

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KEKW

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the fans just didnt regulate. it was spinning

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but not regulating.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:25 AM

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With zero fan on idle?

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My card has that setting where the fans don't spin up until it goes over 50 degrees

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:26 AM

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so wait, if i wanted a 3070 id need a new board than selected or no?

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:26 AM

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No you wouldn't

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It might support PCI-e gen 4 but that doesn't mean it isn't backwards compatible with previous generations

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:26 AM

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ok. cause im planning to give my 970 to put back in this one and hand to my gf, but like, FEEL like I should just keep the 2070 in it and buy a 3070 for new computer.

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970 still works good for what it is, shes not going to do a bunch of intensive games liek me anyway

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but idk

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my problem is im just majorly out of the loop regarding MOBO and RAM

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and want to make sure I get the quality stuff this time around

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:30 AM

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📎 or3kwjaiuel51.png

old patrol Sep 6, 2020, 1:30 AM

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lol

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Whoa! What GPU is that???

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The leaked RTX 4060???

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:32 AM

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kek

abstract kite Sep 6, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Someone got it for an exclusive look and is using it as intended.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:33 AM

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To be fair, that would be superior cooling

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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laughs in the 110 oF in Texas last couple weeks

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43.3 C for non-freedom units

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Fahrenheit isn't freedom units, our weight, length and distance measurements are Freedom units phaWesker

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:38 AM

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what other country uses F

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Eh, no one really measures by Fahrenheit for PCs tbh so it’s more sense to use Celsius

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I use Celcius when talking computer specs for sure.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Except for diehard Americans with guns and a MAGA hat

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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i understand temps outside in F easier

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F is more "dynamic" or "precise" imo

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Britain uses both interchangeably, I think Brasil uses Fahrenheit; then again I don't know if they use metric at all

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Same. Fahrenheit for weather temps is pretty easy for me

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Celsius only ever is useful for PC temps

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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and phsyics.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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It is more precise yeah, Celsius tends to be pretty simple though

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0 is freezing 100 is boiling

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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^

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Kelvin for subzero bopcool

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Boiling in F is like 210, and Freezing is 32

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Wew

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Yeah I could probably figure out Celsius for cooking. I’d have to learn it however

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Eh fuck that my oven uses Fahrenheit so why bother phaWesker

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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kek

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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If I ever find myself using an Oven with Celsius I don't have a choice

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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i understand gun ballistics better in meters too

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and distance

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for driving irl use miles.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Science just uses metric, I don't see the issue in using imperial for everyday application; that's just how it is

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:43 AM

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ye

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im not 100% freedom units as an american haha

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Makes more sense than whatever a Stone is

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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im sorry...a Stone?

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KEKW

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Yeah that's another unit for mass

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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the fuck lmao

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Apparently its imperial, so its possible in early America it was used

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I barely use the kitchen to cook. If I’m hungry or thirsty I just grab some goddamn pretzels and hummus or if I really want, just use the stove top to make ramen which only has the basic High, Medium or Low

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:46 AM

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laughs in rice cooker

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Otherwise I could use the instructions.

dusty pumice Sep 6, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Seems like a balanced diet

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I’m lazy in cooking so I just try to avoid cooking lol

dusty pumice Sep 6, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Hope your family cooks for you then

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 1:48 AM

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They do. Pretty much 90% of the cooked food I eat is from my brother

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 1:57 AM

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So, back to topic on hand - still not answered - what MB options can I look into? is ram i chosen good/worthwhile?

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Its fine, you can easily save some money going for a kit that doesn't have RGB; but otherwise its fine

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The speed is good, I don't think going much higher would be helpful on Intel

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Speaking of did you decide to go to 10th gen or not?

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:01 AM

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suppose not...was really hoping the i7 to be the optimal choice but HEY lets make i5s equal to last gen i7s now lul.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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I think it’s a good thing that an i5 is the same as last gen i7, don’t you think?

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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This isn't a new thing, like a 7700k is pretty much equal to a 8600k

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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well then its not really an i5 anymore its literally an i7, it should be labeled as i3 i7 i9 and i11 now lmao

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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That's not how it works

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Technically the addition of i9 shafted i7s if anything

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Like the 9th gen i7 should be 8 core 16 thread there shouldn't be an i9

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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There are specific processes to how an i3, i5, i7 and i9 should be

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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That's Intel changing the digit to justify a price increase

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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cheeky

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AMD has had a lot more growing pains in terms of quality IMO, but they are for sure about to overpass INTEL, but INTEL imo, currently, still has a a small edge. That's going to change unless whatever intel has been holding on to in their reserves come out/

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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i5s staying 6 core 6 thread for 3 generation would be awful thinking about it, there's a reason Intel is objectively behind on Desktop because they've been dragging their foot on everything

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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They are a buisness at the end of the day, they make small generational improvements to keep people paid.

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while deeper stuff can also be funded

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Intel won’t be able to do shit unless they can manage to overcome the possibility of the next gen Ryzen gaming performance, even considering the use of hyperthreads in gaming

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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And really the only reason they have any edge is because their ringbus architecture has superior latency, and with their uber mature node they get insane clocks watts be damned

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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What games use hyperthreading KEKW

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its all about single core performance currently

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Not a lot now, but you’ll see an increase of it soon on

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And plus, the Ryzen 3000 series are pretty similar to 9th/10th gen performance

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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That may change soon, the new consoles will be using 8c/16t CPUs on the Zen 2 architecture; granted clocked pretty low

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Technically its an APU but whatever PirateSimon

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Perhaps the RAM speed will suffice for the low clock

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But I have no clue as to how their specs are now. Just a small bit I know

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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here what ill say tho

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AMD cpu is whatever

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they are changing the game vs intel

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GPU? LUL nvidia is where its at.

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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How very one sided of you

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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yes

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but ive heard lots of issues

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with their gpu side

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LOTS

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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That has been fixed now.

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Even if Intel and NVIDIA are good, you shouldn’t ignore the fact AMD is there and with a good price to performance. Additionally now with how their CPUs and GPUs are coming, I think we’re going to see much better things from AMD than you or anyone could possibily think.

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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literally just said AMD cpu is fine

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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AMD cpu is whatever
@tardy jackal

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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i said they ARE changing the game

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I think that gives a different message :)

tardy jackal Sep 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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its whatever between that and intel.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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I know they've struggled to compete in the graphics market for a good while now, the only place they had that was justifiable was in the sub $300 space, the last time they were extremely competitive was against Nvidia's Kepler Refresh where the 290X a card nearly half the price of the Titan was competing pretty decently against it. The 780Ti was the necessary response to it.

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After that the Fury X was really the last time they were okay compared to what Nvidia had, but it was beating the 980 and kind of struggling with the 980Ti, especially since Nvidia was able to undercut in price with that

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Vega was a hot mess, like in a bubble its fine; though it doesn't help that those cards were amazing at mining; hell so was Polaris

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They ended up getting priced out of the market, and then the Nvidia cards got scooped up when those weren't available

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:19 AM

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AMD can do well in the GPU side of things. But I believe because they do both CPU and GPU, they aren’t going to do 100% on one thing. Intel focuses only on CPUs for the most part, keeping their gaming performance at least similar while giving out crappy images of how it performs, and NVIDIA solely focuses on GPU which they have all the time to work on the drivers and performances of their GPU

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:20 AM

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With RDNA 1 they clearly didn't have things fully worked out with the architecutre

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So they didn't even attempt to try to compete at the high end, they put something out that was faster than the 2070 and left it at that. Though honestly kind of impressive considering that card was probably meant to be lower clocked and more efficient

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:21 AM

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AMD is going to learn from previous releases, and be able to eliminate that con for the next lineup

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:21 AM

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If you take a 5700XT, undervolt it and set the clocks to like 1600mhz; it'll keep like 80% of its performance while drawing like 140w or something

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So they have something there, it doesn't look efficient on paper; but that's because they had to clock it really high in order to have something that beats a 2070

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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And yeah, I don’t think AMD was really trying to hit the best. They wanted to be involved in the 1440p market and they offered a great GPU that had better price for similar or better performance than the 2070 Super for 100$ less.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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It loses out on average like 5-8% but being cheaper was the advantage

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:24 AM

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You can’t just immediately hit the best of the best. Some things take time to evolve into something better and I think AMD is really going to show it this time around.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:24 AM

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I've seen some benchmarks of it at 4k at puts it like 20% behind the 2080Ti on average; maybe more like 25%

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Not so bad considering its literally 1/3rd the price in that context, then again Its not really a great 4k card for a lot of games anyway

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Not meant to be though

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:27 AM

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4K isn’t really feasible unless you have a shitload of money that you couldn’t possibly care. Which isn’t something the majority of people have. So they focus on the 1080p/1440p market and give good GPUs for that resolution with a lower price which really sets the bar for many people to invest into AMD parts.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Well I mean it does do well for lighter games you know what I mean

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Although the majority still uses NVIDIA. Purely because of the drivers I guess.

vapid crypt Sep 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Like Siege and I guess Apex would be pretty playable at 4k

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Nah its not the drivers so much as it is mindshare

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The drivers aren't helping either but yeah phaWesker

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The market is full of people using Nvidia graphics card, people see that Nvidia has the fastest graphics card, so they just go down the stack and buy whatever card they can afford.

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Without considering that there is another maker in the market

fleet canopy Sep 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I guess so. NVIDIA and Intel just makes themselves seem so superior to AMD, which is just like a disease that’s easily contagious

eternal cairn Sep 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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You mean cocky?