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#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
You’re CAD, so maybe look into a 2060 Super/3060
I’m sure they might lower prices enough on 2070 Super for you
What is/will CPU be?
fleet canopy
Lol used to have that
fleet canopy
Very epic gaming card
fleet canopy
DisplayPort is great for high resolution high FPS
Refresh rate*
Not unless Canada is weird and makes amd products more pricier
limpid jewel
abstract kite
we got maple dollars
vapid crypt
Resolution support is going up across the stack, I would say the 3060 will easily do 1440p. Its gonna be around 2080 Super performance I would guess
abstract kite
Thank you guys
vapid crypt
And from what I know about Canadian currency, their $100 bill smells of Maple Syrup so close enough 
vapid crypt
Scratch n Sniff money, that's epic 
eternal cairn
Now we need scratch 'n sniff lottery tickets.
vapid crypt
A relaxing scent for when you inevitably lose every single ticket
eternal cairn
Yes.
abstract kite
I see @marsh mesa lurking. Get out here! 
marsh mesa
abstract kite
marsh mesa
I can only lurk, I don’t understand computer stuff but it is interesting to read and it informs me a tad, specially now that I’ve got a decent pc and I don’t even know how will I do maintenance on it
abstract kite
Hello leg
fleet canopy
No u
fleet canopy
I guess get a basic white case design that fits it nicely and custom paint it yourself o:
Or black, whichever the main color is
abstract kite
me lazy
abstract kite
So funny thing
When my dad tried to load a file from the 2nd HDD the computer crashed and is doing the same thing. 
brisk badger
try chkdsk /f /r command on that drive
/r repairs bad sectors. It will take surely 2-4hours but it's doing good job fixing drives. Well it's not a fix bcoz at one point there is no more healthy sectors that can replace bad ones
brisk badger
It does repair it because it will tell the HDD to ignore those bad sectors and use the "backup sectors". Every disk has some sectors in place that are used to replace bad sectors. The OS itself usually does not fix those bad sectors, at least not windows
and if none are remaining it can still tell the OS to not write into those sectors (does not works flawlessly)
/r also includes /f . In any case to "repair" a drive I always would use /r and wait x hours for it to complete
brisk badger
source: https://xkcd.com/2347/
Wouldn't be funny if it ain't the truth
dense wasp
These will be fun to try, seems neat!
fiery panther
Seems like something I need to work several months for
void perch
I have the A50's and love them
dense wasp
Logitech where kind enough to send a pair over for testing:)
fiery panther
Well, I get free food from my job if I want
dense wasp
Food is good, if you want to survive
fiery panther
Welll, I don't need that food, I can easily survive without it, perks of living with your parents and being under 18
dense wasp
fair enough
abstract kite
@brisk badger You want me to do "CHKDSK /F /R"?
brisk badger
you can try. It's a "deeper" scanner but will take around 2-3hours to complete. The larger the drive the longer it'll be
abstract kite
hexed horizon
nice
dense wasp
😄
dawn crown
jow do i fix this
when i try to move a window
this happenes instead of moving the window
abstract kite
@dawn crown Looks like a application you tried to boot failed to. This happened frequently to me when I had the old AMD Drivers.
dawn crown
It moves after I let go it just doesn't move along when I try to move it
abstract kite
If you can find exactly what program it is you can attempt to force close it via the Task Manager
jagged estuary
It moves after I let go it just doesn't move along when I try to move it
@dawn crown dude thats something from windows itself
lemme see if i find it
dawn crown
Yea
Wouldn't it be a settings thing
Like make it so windows move along with the mouse instead of showing where the be if they moved with the mouse
jagged estuary
ok so the thing you're looking is in this option menu @dawn crown
idk the name in english
maybe "performance settings"
dawn crown
howd you get to those settings
jagged estuary
just set everything to the second option and it should be fixed
howd you get to those settings
@dawn crown lemme see the name in english
1sec
gonna play now, mention me if you need anything
🙂
jagged estuary
😄
torn ferry
What is the reason that sometimes when I scroll down the screen goes up or when I scroll up, the screen goes down?
honest sparrow
not sure if this is your issue, but i had dust inside the scroll wheel sensor that would do that
vapid crypt
Yeah just blow some compressed air in there
jade ermine
Nvidia 12pin looking really slick vs oldschool 8pin
dusk igloo
but why no molex standard, it makes me sad, now i cannot plug newer psu's to the wiring harness of my bike
late sorrel
damn, no gpu bike
brisk badger
how much watt can be pushed through the 12pin and definitely not nice to have a new plug...
merry bay
nvidia seem pretty thorough to mention they include an adapter with their cards at every mention of the 12pin
brisk badger
if gpu's continue to increase in wattage then gaming becomes an expensive hobby in some countries xD
it's funny with cpu's it's almost the opposite
600watt seem to able to be push through this 12pin
abstract kite
gaming became expensive when a CPU costs more than a gaming system, or a GPU half the time more than a whole setup.
brand names ruined gaming by overcharging for very unimpressive technology for its price.
brisk badger
Thats also true. Once upon a time the top gpu for consumers may have costed 800 usd now its almost twice as much. But also people are willing to buy it.
I must say the mid tier gpu today are great tho and i personally choose them always (like now the 5700xt)
abstract kite
Once upon a time, back in that day (97-2003-5) gaming was only JUST taking off.
We had seen 97 come out with Blood, Doom, Descent, Terminator and so many other tech demos at the time to show that these fledgling companies (Bungie, Blizzard, Bathesda ectra) all had what it took.
So paying, like, 800 for the BEST GPU ever wasn't unheard of, but a lot of people didn't NEED it.
At the time the best and most powerful game ran on DOS for the longest time.
a shitbox was good till 2005
Then you spent, maybe 1000$ for a PC that lasted you will 2011
After that, you're looking at 1300+ every 4-5 years.
brisk badger
true but I think you went too much back in time. In my head I was referencing the era of like Nvidias 6000 series and higher
abstract kite
Ah, okay. Yeah I did step back but my argument went a bit too big.
all my knowledge on PC shit is from 97-2005
brisk badger
for 2D, a "midrange" gpu was back then perfectly fine for almost everyone
abstract kite
So Just know the price flux back then a lil better than now.
And it worked.
Really, at that time, and honestly only recently 2016+ did we ever really care about going top tier.
Personally I played on a PC that could run Crisis 3 on Ultra 60fps but I played shit like. Baldurs gate never winter nights and morrowind.
Brand names killed gaming by also throttling the FUCK out newer components
abstract kite
Killing support for older cards and systems that never needed to be replaced.
I have that!
I have the 9200 pro.
brisk badger
companies don't want devs hired to maintain products when they, instead can stop supporting and force people to buy new products 😕
abstract kite
Yup.
Like I said, brand names ruined gaming.
And publicity killed it.
Streamers and 'content creators' killed gaming by forcing it into the spotlight and forcing it down a path it didn't need to go down, like D&D did with its "Satanist rituals"
feast your eyes....
brisk badger
beautiful.
abstract kite
on the pinnacle of graphics quality
2008 was a beautiful time
look at that lil fan.
brisk badger
had the 5870. I was in love with this card. Best Price/Perf card I ever had
so you also liked ATI 😋
abstract kite
My dad liked ATI and thus, baby me did too.
I just grew to love different as I got old
brisk badger
I always wanted the ATI X800 when I was a kid but never got it. Now thinking of it. I think i buy of ebay as collectors item
abstract kite
But I had the 4850 in my build and my dad had the Radeon HD 4870 X2
brisk badger
was the 3000 series a flop?
brisk badger
one of ati's series I think was not that great
abstract kite
Short series and mostly china
"AMD stated the possibility of supporting 4 Radeon HD 3870 X2 cards, allowing 8 GPUs to be used on several motherboards, including the MSI K9A2 Platinum and Intel D5400XS, because these motherboards have sufficient spaces between PCI-E slots for dual-slot cooler video cards, presumably as a combination of two separate hardware CrossFire setups with a software CrossFire setup bridging the two, but currently with no driver support."
The beginning.
Looks like the 3000 series was just a flop and didn't improve on much other than giving us further CrossFire hints/support.
Which, goes to show, nothing came out of Radeon/ATI till the 4000 series and later.
I loved this style change they decided to sorta keep with.
I miss my many colored GPU's tho, and my 3d boxart that scared the shit out of me
brisk badger
damn 8 gpu's. It would look so cool in a pc but it just insane in terms of performance gain, power consumption and heat
yea where are the blue pcb's. Or white?!!
abstract kite
Yup, it would fit really well considering they were a pancake in size.
So lots of air flow space if you knew what you were doing.
Fam never had that much money and never wanted to do that sorta shit, so. Most I ever saw my dad do to counter the lack of fans/cooling at the time was run to wal-mart and snag a small fan and point it at the open case.
But, god, I miss all my colors in my PC, before the neon.
My rig had fucking natural coloring; red motherboard, rainbow GPU, blue intel CPU™️, and the silver power box, and silver dvd drive.
Shits scary now, but, it has no soul
This, this was soul.
GPU clock: 135 MHz
merry bay
I still have a CD with its demo lying around
abstract kite
They have fucking Spellforce The Order of Dawn
god i want it back i want it all back
Wait that game next to it
That's fucking arx fatalis.
brisk badger
remember when ATI and Nvidia had "le" or "se" versions (light /small versions)
Loved it how one could with software just enable the disabled shader cores
abstract kite
ATI's first real attempt at branching outside of their core cards.
brisk badger
I had the nvidia 6600 (non-gt). It was not cool 😕
abstract kite
Big mistake too was a lot of people didn't read their cards before buying
The just saw the newest GPU and said MINE
brisk badger
yep that's why SE and LE today don't exist anymore. Was really confusing
abstract kite
60+ year old gamer dude from the 90's runs this mom and pop PC store near me
Still sells Voodoo cards if you ask
cant wait for bundle cards
buy this great card get this shitty one that you can I GUESS Crossfire for a lil more power
brisk badger
I thought of buying many if not all old gpu's and solder the chip from the pcb and then frame it or something
does he have this voodoo card with 4 gpu's ? 👼
abstract kite
What I wanna do is what I said before awhile up there, and that's just build PC's from different era's to match their respective best in slot time.
Make the best PC from 97, then 2000, then 2003, ectra, for every major leap.
brisk badger
that's a nice idea! Case also from the respective era?
and hardware still has to function?
abstract kite
Yup
It would all be 100%, box monitor, shitty keyboard.
The only modern thing would be me putting in semi modern stuff to get it going, like my own keyboard and mouse and ectra.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-8500-le.c94 catch me on quake at 3 am
brisk badger
Pixel Shaders: 4
abstract kite
CryEngine came out in 2002
That's when the explosion happened.
lets see if i can find my dads card
yup, open fan and all.
brisk badger
ah don't show me that card. It's what I dreamt of as a kid and what I got was the 9200 Pro.
abstract kite
my dad treasured it till he upgraded and by the time he did It was 2007
brisk badger
sadly crytek went bankrupt . Nice games they made
that's a long time but it was a beasz
beast
abstract kite
Like I said, shit was made to last back then.
Rig from 2004 would carry you till 2010 and a lil more.
I'm living proof of that.
but then streamers and more recognition came out.
Now we have release cards, that, back in the day would release at 300+ release at fucking 3200
Gaming is slowly becoming a life investment/long time investment vs a hobby
brisk badger
"anniversary edition"
"limited edition"
abstract kite
"founders edition"
All with VERY negligible stat differences
The kick being the cooler case/box it comes in and the nicer trim and finish it gets with a cool FOUNDER or ANNIVERSARY on the side
Which, will, in 4 years time be discarded for the newest card.
Don't get me started on CPU's
What a fucking mess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_A Air raid sirens from 99-2003
brisk badger
in the last decade I have come to the conclusion that upgrading every 3.5/4 years is fine for me in terms of GPU. I can afford the highes end gpu just fine but I am not willing to do so. Reasons are to not support those companies, and I just generally I buy things for what I use them. I work with the command shell 80% in my work, so I cannot tell to myself I do 3d modeling or use blender etc. I work with adobe tho but need nothing fancy for it
abstract kite
For me, upgrading that fast isn't what I was used to. I was introduced into PC's when I fell out of my mom since my dad, owning his own company, made sure I and my brother were always shown the newest shit so we didn't fall behind. But he drilled into our heads money and the value of a dollar.
So watching all these companies overcharge for shit that back in the day was reasonable at 300$ is now just fucking sick, sick that no one's said a word that in 10 years a GPU, despite the technological advancements, went from 350$ release date edition to 3200$ the price of my fucking rent.
Inflation does not work like that, not that fast, not in economically stable places like the US and Canada.
That's just corporate greed.
brisk badger
so true. Tho some technical advancement have been made so making a new product IMO justifies it's release. E.g going from Pixel and Vertex Shaders to unified Shaders or introducing a new DX like 9 which gave some logical reason
abstract kite
A justifiable price increase from 350 to counter technical advancement would be around, release, 800-1000
Which, I would 100$ agree with, because that's what it felt like in terms of my pay/my dads pay back in the day when upgrading
It was an investment, but it wasn't "Put my whole fucking months pay to upgrade my GPU"
brisk badger
brb have to eat dinner 👋
abstract kite
kk
vapid crypt
I would often read comments about these things, and I remember a thread where someone made that point about inflation related to current GPU pricing; and someone's counter statement was something like "So Inflation works the same everywhere?" Sort of as a way to justify the price hike
Also usual toxic comments like people would reasonably say "I would never pay $2000 for a GPU." response "lol your cheapo kid."
rancid glacier
i mean people are paying aren t they
you can always wait a few years and get it much cheaper
vapid crypt
People are paying, and that's part of the problem. Can't be helped though.
abstract kite
Nope, we're fucked, sadly.
People lost their standards and refuse to re-evaluate them, so we're going to be stuck paying, soon, 5000$ for a GPU.
Lord have mercy.
vapid crypt
I think even the people willing to pay over a grand have their limits
abstract kite
Nope.
vapid crypt
Well most of them anyway, there will always be people with far more money than sense
abstract kite
Drones will 100% buy it all.
And shellout anything to support a company, look at blizzard, bungie, AMD, Intel, Raycon, ectra.
brands have drones.
Its what they just to really justify hiking up the price "See, a percentage of people buy it, it clearly works!"
vapid crypt
I can only hope with more players in the market that they all price check eachother, but considering Nvidia will be leading for a while they will decide the pricing largely
The only good thing I have to say about Ampere is at least they aren't sandbagging the 80 card anymore, other than maybe skimping of Vram
fleet canopy
Hm.
merry bay
it's not like you can't game on a mid-class machine though
fleet canopy
Yeah, I kinda dislike that they are focusing on 4K when it’s just someone no one can achieve, at least not yet if the new GPUs can even run it at like 144Hz
I kind of feel like they’ll sort of ditch 1440p. But then again 1440p will probably replace 1080p one day, just won’t really happen fast anyways
Like they’re still doing stuff for 1080p, going at 360Hz or some stupid shit no one asked for or wanted
fiery panther
hmm
fleet canopy
I guess it wouldn’t be good for them to ditch 1440p just yet. It slowly is getting more of it’s own market and eventually 1080p would be the last year thing, if 1080p doesn’t become feasible to people or whatever may happen. I feel like they wouldn’t ever ditch 1080p as that’s a great resolution for competitive tbf. Sure there’s 1440p 144hz and probably with 24” which would more or less be benefiting if that ever gets cheap enough + GPUs become cheaper
I guess so. It isn’t so big
But when it comes to competitive no one is going to get a fat bigass TV haha. They need it as small and easy to see so they can game well. Which is when 1440p goes into 24” with 144hz more available and cheaper, it will probably replace 1080p at 144hz just slowly
vapid crypt
I just need something that kills my 580 for the money
fleet canopy
And then the next best resolution is like 5K or 8K, whatever the hell it may be that replaces 4K as the stupid overkill resolution
restive garnet
over the years, i've been more or less fine with the increases in GPU prices, because its growing at a near exponential rate, it sorta makes sense that they arent going to release it for the same price year on year, plus inflation on top
but that last generation absolutely killed me
damned near double the price for another marginal performance increase
and even when nvidia admitted that they had over estimated what they could get away with charging because of crypto mining and raytracing, they made a few minor revisions and called it a day
didnt back down on the pricing
a 2080ti here still costs as much as it did at launch
and didnt even get a revision
merry bay
2000series definitely didn't match the value. But have to remember the price hike was in big part of a convenient mining craze before the market resettled.
not saying it's ok like this, just the part of the reason why it happened
vapid crypt
As long as mining boom 2.0 doesn't happen I think prices will largely settle down. However I think the top GPU being at least $1000 will be here to stay
It started with the Titan technically, it was just a matter of time before Nvidia could get away with upselling a lower tier card
merry bay
I look at it like the Titan's used to be, except this time more people can get practical use out of it
vapid crypt
Even then Titan is what we should have gotten for $600 or $700 they just justified it by giving it a bunch of RAM and calling it a creator card
The 80ti was usually just the titan cut down on Vram after all
eternal cairn
I bet there might be a mining boom if these GPUs match the value to performance.
vapid crypt
These Ampere GPUs seem far too inefficient, but I dunno maybe the performance is enough to make up for that
fleet canopy
I don’t think mining cryptocurrency will ever be worth it anymore
eternal cairn
Cryptomining will never be worth it if you're actually generating less money than what you're putting into it. Electricity costs, maintenance, and whatever else is accounted into it has to be more than what you make from it.
Even if it's a matter of coming out with an extra dime a day, including factored costs and generated revenue, people will still do it until it's no longer profitable.
Albeit, very few people, but still.
fleet canopy
Like at best, you’re better off using cryptocurrency as the stock market as some are actually increasing really well
Like one that went from 0.0050 something to 0.0140
eternal cairn
Yeah, but the cryptocurrency market is shady.
It could do well one day and then crash the next.
It doesn't seem like a stable investment.
fleet canopy
I don’t know if that’s really the case for smaller priced currency
Don’t really know how they work but eh
eternal cairn
Maybe not, but it's probably better not to invest in something we hardly know the processes of.
Like, I still can't find a definitive answer as to what exactly cryptomining does apart from that you use the processing power of PC parts for stuff, but what exactly?
merry bay
It's bizarre how that one mining craze got people making weird waves how it's the future. Some took it too far with strikes on not accepting payments unless it's in crypto. Even for salaries. Almost trying to make such behavior into a movement
eternal cairn
Yeah, I hate people who only accept cryptocurrency.
fleet canopy
Cryptocurrency is so broken lel
eternal cairn
It's just a way for the lazy to make a profit.
fleet canopy
And the bigger ones aren’t even worth it. Better to just look at the lower priced currency either way
abstract kite
I will look back on the days when things costs what they were worth
Not what the brand dictated.
merry bay
There's also the fact that the old stuff still holds some value. And lower end products with similar performance closely priced. There's a much wider range of performance options. Rare few need the bleeding edge variant. And they pay the price for it.
I don't think it's as bad as you're making it sound.
I'd get behind that mindset for some prebuilts or macs.
fleet canopy
People will always buy the best when they need it or if they’re stupid. But mostly if needed. Some want to have the best 4K gaming experience so they pay the dumb price just to have it lel
Or some want to have a PC that would last them long enough to not have to worry about their PC in a good amount of time
merry bay
I guess that's in-part why he's upset. The higher tiers getting ridiculously expensive. With the idea of going hard for a build that's meant to last.
I just feel that it's not just a brand deciding to do it, it just makes sense within the market to have price/performance segmentation.
fleet canopy
Yeah but you don’t have to really care about the higher tier if the mid is good to be fair. The 3070 is said to be like the 2080 Ti, so there is that for about 500$ ish
merry bay
The high end does go up steeply though. I can't deny that.
fleet canopy
Or 600$, whichever it may be
For CAD it def would be worse
So that could also factor in why
merry bay
I wonder how feasible it would be to buy tech on a casual trip overseas to avoid import tax. If it's not bulky it sounds doable. For personal use, not as a business.
Because boy do the NA prices seem juicy for the folks over in EU
fleet canopy
I think depending how crossing borders is, it might be too expensive to consider it
I think depending how crossing borders is, it might be too expensive to consider it
merry bay
It's also a bit deceiving because NA listings are without tax at all 
vapid crypt
3070 will probably be $600 and much like the 2060 Super the 3060 will be $400, as usual upselling everything
merry bay
whereas here the price we see is already tax included
vapid crypt
What you used to get a 70 card for is what you're getting a 60 card for
Rumors that the 3050ti is gonna be $250, where it'll fall in performance I have no idea
fleet canopy
The 3050 Ti might get to be about the performance of a 2060 or better
merry bay
remember 50 cards being the budget option. But when that naming scheme was still sorta fresh a card like that would barely be able to do any gaming. The current 50 cards are pretty decent for both value and performance.
vapid crypt
I don't see it being less than $200
The non Ti sure, probably $149 all day
And it'll have 4gb of Vram that
That'll be fun
abstract kite
Brands are charging premiums for marginal differences.
Grasp with me here, after a certain year, you can only increase the power of a card so much. Back in the day, no one really needed to upgrade for a few years, but a few to us back then was like 7.
We're paying so much for just such a little increase, I get it, the first generation of cards should be hype af, but the cards now are all the same, with only baby steps going forward charging an arm and a leg for them.
vapid crypt
I don't know what's worse, selling a 60 card for $400 or making the 70 card on the same tier die as a 60 card for $500
abstract kite
The third option, the brand just shilling.
I hope an up and coming GPU company starts up and puts people to shame.
And charges next to nothing for their shit, and rebrands the market to a much safer inflation level.
vapid crypt
They were doing that for a while, like I think the GTX 680 was like 10% faster than the GTX 580. The reason it was a small increase is because they downgraded the 80 card to a midrange die
abstract kite
but thats a far fetched dream at most
vapid crypt
And its been on a midrange die until now with Ampere
fleet edge
merry bay
People's needs were very different back then too though. Less than a decade ago, getting 60fps in 1080p for anything modern was only for the tippy top cards. Current low end cards or even APU's are capable of that.(with settings adjustments)
Not to forget that GPU's need to do exponentially more work to get the same % performance gains year to year. Double the performance of a GTX 480 is a laughable difference for todays standards.
Mid range cards now really do offer the experience of the old "high end". You're able to play games at a smooth framerate, at 1080p or even 1440p. The high end is more for fps nuts after high refresh rates or 4K.
And it seems that we're not too far from a plateau of performance needs. For the people that 60fps is enough, they don't have to look far for upgrade in a really good while if they invest once.
vapid crypt
High end cards in 2014/2015 were happy to do 4k at sub 30fps
Oh I meant 2013/2014 actually, 290X with that 512bit bus was stronk for 4k 30
late sorrel
I like my 144/1080p monitor, it’s genuinely the plateu for my needs
I have a rx 570, so lower settings to get near that 144fps, but apart from that, no qualms
abstract kite
Honestly it's good we can get our use our of mid-range cards and such. My problem is with the people who pay the release day premium to justify them hiking up the prices every update.
I wouldn't really care much about that, if they didn't kill support for older cards so earlier, or flat out made them to be garbage,
vapid crypt
That's been Nvidia pretty much forever, as soon as Turing was rolling out Pascal support went out the window
Which I mean new games coming out didn't get support drivers for those old cards
burnt gull
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V34QQ3C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZMesFb0MHJHMM would this be a good choice?
burnt gull
shit i forgot that that means solid state
thx
@rancid glacier what would a minimum be for ssd?
rancid glacier
honestly rly depends for what do you need?
that hdd should hold anything that isn t games tbh
burnt gull
no I found a different one with 500 which still seems a little low
rancid glacier
idk i only used 376 on my current pc i also only do games stuff on it
do you do anything other than games?
burnt gull
well thats what this would be for
rancid glacier
i think 500 should be fine tbh
unless you like watchdogs 2 gta 5 and basically all huge games installed at once
feral vector
Can I run GTFO on this machine? https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/2cLrxr/modest-amd-gaming-build
vapid crypt
Yeah absolutely
fleet canopy
Seems there are some parts to it that can be improved but it’s very good
vapid crypt
For reference #system-specs the recommended requirements are of a 5 year old mid range pc
abstract kite
For sure.
For reference #system-specs the recommended requirements are of a 5 year old mid range pc
@vapid crypt
I wouldn't listen to them (systems specs), they're quite misleading depending on the expedition.
^ That, and the new update for the engine comes out with 4.
I got a RTX 2070 super, I get on average 120FPS on C1. And during a scan, it can easily go to 80 FPS on max settings.
Does it to me, too, solid 60 on a RX 570, 60 all the way to 30 for a split second on max and then bounces till it's done.
Fairly sure that's due to the particles used for the scans.
Yes, rooms and scans vary the FPS like a lot.
vapid crypt
Oh right the 2019 Unity update, and I figured it was a combination of that and enemies spawning
abstract kite
Hopefully the unity update with 4 fixes that, it can get annoying.
I think it's just old unity, in my opinion.
vapid crypt
Lowest I got was maybe 48 on my RX 580
abstract kite
You get lag like that in Battlestar Galactica Online.
Jumping into a system you'll get it for a hitch, and when you get into a fight with someone it skips sometimes.
vapid crypt
Otherwise easily 90ish during down time
abstract kite
It's just Unity.
Thankfully it doesn't tank bad enough to hurt the game.
Yeah, unity can cause random freezing which is what I get on GTFO and it sucks balls.
Happens to all games that use its engine regardless of rig.
vapid crypt
I remember getting strange freezing early on, during the Alpha and Beta runs, and during the first rundown
Not since then though
abstract kite
We can only hope that the new unity engine can fix some of these problems.
fleet canopy
Yeah pretty much if it concerns a game’s system requirement, fuck that 100%
abstract kite
It's supposed to bundle up with a whole bunch of fixes and work arounds.
But, they said that about the previous update, too.
fleet canopy
I believe updating was supposed to make things easier and more stable
abstract kite
Unity has a habit of fixing itself in one area only to break another and refuse to acknowledge it till the next quarterly
vapid crypt
You just inadvertently described whenever Bethesda puts out a patch for anything
abstract kite
Whoopsie
It makes me wonder thoe, if you update your game to a new engine. Wouldn't that break a bunch of stuff that you have to fix since you upgraded it?
Well, yes, but this isn't a new engine this is an update to an existing engine.
Porting over one game to a new engine is a lot and tedious process that takes years.
Well, 9 months to a year or two give or take the game size, company size, knowledge of both engines ectra, big factors.
Interesting stuff there, I can only hope moving it to upgraded engine doesn't break some important game stuff in GTFO.
vapid crypt
Cross that bridge when they get there I suppose
abstract kite
It's unity, we'll be back here talking about this in no time.
dense wasp
switching to a new engine, ugh
that would take so much time for us 😄
if even possible at all
void perch
It would break so much more in the process
fiery panther
Said what
merry bay
recommended sys. req. for perfect performance
rancid glacier
uh perfect?
idk get like 2 rtx 2080 ti
a 3950x
and like 128gb of RAM cuz why not
brisk badger
does GTFO even support dual GPU's
brisk badger
run the game twice 🤯
brisk badger
I think it will handle it. I don't think GTFO is a heavily multithreaded game
rancid glacier
it didn t use my 3900x past 67%
so maybe
with specs on 1080p definitely
same for the gpu
wait
what if
one rtx 2080 is enough for 2 games at once :D
brisk badger
i don't how gpu's allocate resources with multiple programs etc but probably performance will suffer greatly because both apps want stuff done almost in realtime
rancid glacier
ok so let s use 2 of them for 2 separate programs
brisk badger
probably on paper an rtx 2080 surely can run 2 instances
merry bay
running 2 games, even if the fps looks still ok after the slight drop, frametimes start varying so much that it feels stuttery. If it's loading in something new, freezes are expected too.
restive garnet
linus tech tips did a 7 way virtual rig
singular CPU, 7 gpus, running a single instance of crysis 3 on each card
pretty much exactly what you guys are talking about
merry bay
2 CPU's 
fleet canopy
Yeah i figured that was possible, each GPU focuses on its own game so it’s possible to play any amount as long as you have enough GPUs for it
merry bay
but besides the point, virtualization divides things up way better than doing it on the same OS
restive garnet
been a few years since i watched it, didnt remember them using a dual socket board, and the title said one lmao
28 cores between them though, so effectively a quad core each
itd probably take a bit of working, but entirely possible
actually, ill rephrase, itd probably run fairly well
merry bay
it's a very cool concept. Not sure about a family home setup, but for a group of introverts it could be cool
restive garnet
ive done a small scale version of it in the past
mostly as a proof of concept sort of deal
merry bay
Actually, scaled down it would be really good for a family home setup. If someone only does casual browsing can allocate something tiny that's good enough
restive garnet
yeah, my thoughts exactly
it definitely had its draw backs, but it was an interesting project in terms of scaling
seeing what sort of performance we could maintain going from 2 games running on one machine, to 4 games and 2 people using it as a virtual htpc
spoiler though, it didnt work well, which is probably just due to the hardware we were using
wasnt terrible running 2 games, but the moment you started adding users it all went to shit
merry bay
Were the GPU's separate? I'd bet that's a big decider
merry bay
hmm, I wonder if there would be any impact with the recent hardware scheduler brought into the mix
restive garnet
graphics cards were handling it fine, but we were only using a 10 core xeon
so the moment we hit 4 users, there was a noticeable decline in performance
and we werent running spectacularly well in the first place
merry bay
It'd be interesting figuring out if there's a sweetspot of locking down settings and fps limits. But for what I've tried on a single system. Framelimiting games won't drastically reduce machine stress.
e. x. alt tabbed GTA 5 (infamous load times)while eating, it still hammers CPU and GPU. Framelimiting to 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 provides no appreciable difference.
Most alt tabbed games tend to limit fps on their own anyway
There's the option of suspending the game in those instances. But there's no telling if it will resume okay after.
brisk badger
ulfsaar, you used VDI or a Hypervisor?
Planning end of this year to run two, maybe 3 pc's in one. Using probably Unraid, maybe Vmware
vapid crypt
Zen 3 leaks with some Zen 4 details, site's in German so translate if you must https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/53922-epyc-milan-mit-10-bis-20-leistungsplus-l3-cache-ueber-acht-kerne-und-ausblick-auf-genoa.html
Looks like Zen 4 is gonna be using Gen 5 PCIe and DDR5, I'm kind of surprised by the Gen 5 PCIe if that's true
That might just be for Epyc though
Since it specifically says Genoa which is the codename for the next Epyc lineup
And of course more info for RTX 30 https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-and-geforce-rtx-3080-specifications-leaked
restive garnet
iirc, intel stated ages back that they would probably skip PCIE4 and go straight to 5, at least for their mainstream chipsets, so it wouldnt surprise me to much if its just a pre-emptive move to make sure that they dont lose market share to intel
considering the very clear performance lead that AMD currently has, it would be very stupid for them to not match intel in terms of features, in order to keep it as a head to head performance comparison for consumers
as for DDR5, i want to say more or less the same, but i don't think its nearly as important, i think at least in short term, people would be happy to continue using existing DDR4 ram.
So it probably is just an overall modernization to make sure that its a level playing field
either that, or probably just as likely, its AMD setting up for an attempt to steal more of the enterprise market share from intel
which as i look at it, actually makes more and more sense, as intel is adopting PCIE4 for their next HEDT chipsets, so it would make sense for AMD to continue its current trend of being a generation ahead of intel in PCIE/DDR
brisk badger
the article mentions that intel "sapphire rapids" also in q2 2021 aims to use pcie5 /ddr5
fleet canopy
As always, DDR5 might not even be feasible to people to have it
brisk badger
totally. Those cpu's are aimed for the server market tho where new technologies sometimes are adopted a year prior
vapid crypt
Its gonna be excellent marketing, for Zen 4
Ryzen 5000, DDR5 PCIe 5 on AM5 socket
Release on May 5th for extra points
copper zealot
I have this issue with my main drive
It seems to be doing some really odd stuff, like running slowly and doing some other really odd things
clever tartan
I can run gtfo on this:
Ryzen 3500u mobile chip rx vega 8????
copper zealot
Yea, i actually did a clean install
The ssd reading exabytes of read writes is vexing
I installed it trying to get a more accurate reading from the drive
I just did a screen shot of the advanced details
eternal cairn
So, how does a SD card cost more just because it has the Nintendo logo on it?
eternal cairn
That's about as sad as this 1024 GB SD card I see on Wish.
$11.
Why can't things be cheaper?
And real?
copper zealot
@abstract kite Dashboard from fresh install with icon beside it
Well Lord, actually sometimes they are. I put one of my old systems on ebay for like $300 bucks, just because i literally just got my new ryzen setup
eternal cairn
Can that run diagnostics on SD cards?
copper zealot
It was a pretty in date intel system with SSD's and 770 gtx card
It's their utility so i couldn't tell ya
Possibly
copper zealot
I started having weird system issues so i assumed the ssd was starting to die
256GB it's like 8 years old
oh that system?
copper zealot
it was a 256gb as well with 1TB hd for storage
I always run the normal setup on my stuff. Since i think this one is starting to go i'm ordering two new NVME drives. I don't really trust drives after x years
I run stuff pretty hard too. I'm an IT consultant used to be network / systems engineer
So i put them through the ringer with SQL, VM's, ect.....
eternal cairn
Ah. I should probably start using my 1 TB SSD for rendering.
Or maybe I just need a better HDD.
copper zealot
I bought a 1tb specifically for video editing (go pro) for our animal rescue
I use davinci resolve for editing
eternal cairn
I mainly use After Effects for videos.
Also, this script I use has a trial on it, but I think it bugged out.
copper zealot
They cut me some slack since we are a 501c3
eternal cairn
That's reasonable.
copper zealot
Even though all my research tells me NVME won't be faster for everyday stuff, ended up going with WD Black 2019 version and sabrent rocket Q for storage 1tb
The black will be replacing the drive reading exabytes of read writes
eternal cairn
Plus, if they really were gonna shit on you for video rendering related to animal rescue, they must be shitty people.
I feel like there's gotta be a better alternative to WD.
They're way too expensive, even for consumers.
copper zealot
Well actually after reviews
They had the better NAND / LC architecture
So the more i fill up the drive it won't slow down
Samsung 970 evo eats crap once it starts to fill up apparently
Also $70 for 500GB i thought was reasonable with a 5 year warranty
4.0 PCIE / NVME is just marketing crap. I understand it does extreme speeds under (specific) circumstances. But if the everyday stuff doesn't feel better then what is the point
eternal cairn
I hope the Evo Plus is better.
copper zealot
From what i saw the whole line dropped off when it starts to get full
a few redditors were posting about it, so i stayed away from them
I do know they use MLC TLC and SLC caching / other more premium build type quality
fleet canopy
Ya mean 11$ for a lil SD card at 1TB?
Yeah I’m pretty sure any tech related things on Wish can go fuck right out of the window. They’re more scammy than a Nigerian price asking you for money
eternal cairn
Imagine if SD cards were actually that cheap.
🤤
I think I have like 2 micro SD cards and 3 SD cards now.
eternal cairn
I still want another micro SD card.
But I'm not sure if A2 performance is actually any more significant than A1 performance.
merry bay
My dad tried those cheap SD cards. The cards themselves seemed genuine physically, but with severe defects when it comes to using them. Interestingly Wish was happy to refund or send another one. But after 4 tries never getting anything that writes or reads files reliably once you kinda start to see the business model.
Most people might think they aren't using them correctly, might not blame the sd card right away. Or too lazy to contact support for refunds. It not being a crazy price plays into that too.
They're dumping borderline scrap on people.
faint ruin
Is this good?
fleet canopy
Yeah, it’s good :)
merry bay
If 1080p@60fps is enough for you. It should be good enough.
fleet canopy
The advertising shows above 60FPS on ultra so he won’t have any problem with any game
Except unless it was a cpu heavy game, considering the 10400F. But that’s kinda the 3600 pretty much
I think at least, I’ve seen threads where they say a 10400 performs similar but cheaper compared to 3600
abstract kite
That 1660 Super isn't that great of a card, decent. But don't always believe the numbers on a box. When I got my pre built they said 120+ FPS playing Fortnite, 80+ FPS playing GTA on ultra. I got around 20 FPS on Fortnite on minimum settings and couldn't even load GTA.
dapper zodiac
hello people i have a slight issue with this game
i have a amd 5700xt, and this game runs butter smooth in that, but the problem is that the fans go max and the card gets utilised 100% always. I have a custom card and not the blower one (Gigabyte gaming oc). Its not really a gpu intensive game and even in games like rdr2 my fans stay quiet and the card doesnt heat up that much
is it just because the game is badly optimised for amd cards? i tried liminting the fps to 75 with radeon chill, but nothing changed
I am not very good in pc building so some of my statements/comments may be dumb. please dont get angry
digital bramble
I'd recommend looking up benchmarks of the card
dapper zodiac
i did look up, it is generally a competitor to the 2060S, sometimes being on par or even better than 2070S
even a heavy game like rdr2 doesnt drive the fan that hot
raven violet
hey!
sour wing
yes jelli has arrived 
raven violet
lol so with the amd card optimization tends to depend on your cpu. Amd cpu work better with amd cards due to the ryzen master utility and how that optimize your entire system during overclocking and game detection. try using msi afterburner it is an overclock app for videocards but you can control your fan speed
brisk badger
I use an Intel CPU and AMD 5700xt and can just control fan, overclock of the gpu fine in the driver
vapid crypt
Actually that's a complete myth, there's no proof that an AMD card works better with an AMD CPU
brisk badger
would make no sense
raven violet
the optimization shouldnt impact fan control but hmm idk i remember reading an article about it
I'm most likely wrong now that i'm looking for that article xD
dapper zodiac
Actually that's a complete myth, there's no proof that an AMD card works better with an AMD CPU
@vapid crypt i have a ryzen 3600, so that shouldnt be an issue
vapid crypt
Well yeah it isn't an issue, its a myth
dapper zodiac
i just think its a unity problem or something
its not a big issue, i just tend to notice this
that the fans go boom only when i play this game
it starts sounding like jet engine
vapid crypt
Oh I see, the fans are maxing out for whatever reason
dapper zodiac
im from india, so the ambient temperature is hotter than other countries, could that be a reason
i had a 1060 before, didnt have issues with that
vapid crypt
Did you play around with the fan curve on radeon settings?
dapper zodiac
yeah i just increased it 10%
because the junc temperature was uncomfortably hot (100+)
vapid crypt
This is a reference model?
Oh no its Gigabyte OC, that one's pretty good. What's the ambient temp then?
vapid crypt
Not really hyped but thanks anyway
abstract kite
@dapper zodiac I also have the 5700XT. Our cards are "designed" and "expected" to reach temps of 110c and be fine says AMD. The problem is that the card will keep overclocking itself until it hits that temperature. As long as your ambient temperature is fine the card should be fine. I was having this problem with Metro Exodus last month.
dapper zodiac
Oh no its Gigabyte OC, that one's pretty good. What's the ambient temp then?
@vapid crypt ambient temp here is like 30 C
kolkata, india
@dapper zodiac I also have the 5700XT. Our cards are "designed" and "expected" to reach temps of 110c and be fine says AMD. The problem is that the card will keep overclocking itself until it hits that temperature. As long as your ambient temperature is fine the card should be fine. I was having this problem with Metro Exodus last month.
@abstract kite thanks bro
i was actually going to buy the TUF model, since its cheaper here
but then i discovered that its a disaster
also thank god i didnt buy the blower one
since its warm here, so pc would have caught fire xD
vapid crypt
Hehehe yeah they lowered the price because its memory cooling was awful, considering how hot it is it would probably kill itself
And the blower actually isn't that bad with an undervolt
dapper zodiac
i never really considered seeing temps, but amd cards have that radeon software where u can easily check temps
vapid crypt
Asus did end up making a revision to the TUF version
dapper zodiac
nvidia overlay doesnt have that
dapper zodiac
haha
im happy with my card, will be keeping it for 5 years
nvidia cards are really overpriced in india for some reason
vapid crypt
Oh when you said Ambient temp is 30C that's how hot it is in your room?
Cause that's what matters
dapper zodiac
yeah its hot
but its summer rn
during winter it gets pretty colder (10-20C)
it depends where you are from
vapid crypt
How's the airflow in your case?
dapper zodiac
i used to live in hill station before, it was pretty cold there. now im in a city so its pretty hot
abstract kite
I love Radeons Software when it actually does work. 
vapid crypt
Oh yeah that has decent front intake then
Could be worth looking into upgrading fans, but I'm not sure how much of an improvement that would give considering the ambient temp is so high.
dapper zodiac
well i dont cross 95 C junc temps on peak
the only problem is with cpu temps
ryzen stock cooler isnt good anymore
its 50 C on idle
eternal cairn
Yeah, the Ryzen coolers don't seem very effective.
vapid crypt
Okay, worth upgrading the cooler then. If you can find a Scythe Fuma 2 that's probably the best price/performance air cooler ever
dapper zodiac
Okay, worth upgrading the cooler then. If you can find a Scythe Fuma 2 that's probably the best price/performance air cooler ever
@vapid crypt i dont have ahuge budget, and cooler master h410r seems the best for me since its cheap and relatively rated good. do u think its ok?
vapid crypt
It will be an improvement either way, Their Hyper 212 might be better I would guess that would be the usual go to. Personally I have a Gammaxx 400, and from what I understand its literally a better Hyper 212.
I got it for $20 USD on sale personally, that's probably the best in its price class for performance
abstract kite
Yummy, cus that shit's onsale for 24.99 here.
And it looks like it's been like that for a few months.
void perch
You should contact discord support
dawn crown
Where do I find that
void perch
Their website
vapid crypt
More details about Geforce 3000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZqz0JYtMQ
From what Tom says in the video, seems they're gonna put a stop to the insane segmentation
As far as names go
No 1660 1660 Super and 1660 ti situation ever again
abstract kite
Oh thank GOD
I already had memes ready for the Geforce 3000 XL TI
The Geforce 3000 Founders Edition Super
vapid crypt
Also according to what was said, they will only make a 3080 ti if they have to. Meaning if AMD gives them a run for their money, but only time will tell. From what we know about Big Navi performance it may come really close to the 3090 while being far more efficient; or at least land somewhere in-between the 3080 and 3090. At the end of the video he also states that Big Navi is really efficient though, so this is the resurgence of HD 5000 vs Fermi from 10 years ago
eternal cairn
I'm really hoping this next generation of cards will be more of an improvement to current gen than the 2000 series was to the 1000 series.
vapid crypt
It will be, at the cost of efficiency. I mean could you imagine the 3090 only being 20% faster than the 2080ti but it draws 35% more energy
At minimum it will be like 40 - 50% though the time spy benchmark suggests over 60%
abstract kite
I love this timeline.
eternal cairn
I can imagine that, but I'm hoping it's more like 40% faster.
vapid crypt
Not really sure how Time Spy Extreme compares to other benchmarks
But we're talking 2080ti at around a 6300 score vs the 3090 at a 10k
eternal cairn
What was the 1080 TI's score?
vapid crypt
I'd have to look that up
eternal cairn
If the score difference is roughly similar to the 2080 TI vs 3090, people are probably gonna be disappointed.
vapid crypt
People seem to run these cards OC'ed to hell so there are 2080ti scores that are close to the 3090 score
eternal cairn
Oh, it's all different kinds of tests then.
vapid crypt
I suppose on paper, oc'ed 2080ti being close to stock 3090 isn't that impressive
vapid crypt
I need to find that tweet I saw that had the scores listed
It was for stock performance
Finally found it
The stock 1080 ti would likely be around the same score as the 2080 non super in that image I would guess
eternal cairn
So, the performance boost over current gen isn't going to be as much.
Nvidia holding back on us.
vapid crypt
I dunno, its hard to say
Considering these are power sucking monsters, I don't think they're holding back
3080 being on GA102 alone makes me think otherwise considering they've been putting the 80 card on the 104 mid range die
Since Kepler
eternal cairn
How about AMD?
vapid crypt
So far the only thing we know about Big Navi is the top card will have 80CUs, and the architecture is very efficient
eternal cairn
Now if only their drivers could be efficient. 😏
vapid crypt
Eh I think they're getting there, its a matter of actually having a full software team for Radeon
eternal cairn
It shouldn't be that hard.
vapid crypt
Cause the thing is, Nvidia will have driver troubles but no one will make a stink about it because they tend to fix it in like a week or two
AMD takes forever cause I dunno to be honest
Something I've noticed is they have their software bundled with the drivers, I think that's slowing things down as far as patching goes
eternal cairn
Actually, I've never had Nvidia driver issues, but knowing that AMD takes longer to fix things is what's dissuading me from considering their GPUs.
vapid crypt
Sure, not everyone is gonna experience these issues. The prevalence is down to them not fixing stuff fast enough
I think its something that's being addressed though, they've been rolling out updates every other week recently
eternal cairn
Well, my stock is still on AMD to blow it out of the water. They need to give Nvidia a run for their avarice money.
vapid crypt
Speaking of Stock I've noticed AMD is doing really well, last I checked their share was at 86
eternal cairn
Yeah, my stock with them went up.
It's great. 😄
Intel also went up a bit, surprisingly.
vapid crypt
Out of curiosity I compared to Intel, the highest they've been was like 74 or something
eternal cairn
What are they now?
vapid crypt
50
eternal cairn
Oof.
vapid crypt
Yeah I remember them being at like 65 when AMD was at 50 or something like that
eternal cairn
I mean, I guess AMD has a better lead due to it being a GPU and CPU manufacturer.
Imagine if their next line of GPUs actually do well.
vapid crypt
They've revolutionized how Chips will be manufactured from now on
Multi chiplet design of course
vapid crypt
How much is the 3600?
eternal cairn
Wow, the 3600x went on sale for $155 almost a month ago.
abstract kite
Like $260-ish
abstract kite
vapid crypt
I would wait until maybe Zen 3 announcement, but a cool $200 for a nice CPU til then I mean whatever
eternal cairn
Eh, I would recommend waiting.
vapid crypt
I think we would see sales rolling by then
vapid crypt
This is for someone else right?
eternal cairn
Are they building a new PC?
abstract kite
I am.
vapid crypt
You have a 3600 yourself right?
abstract kite
I have the 3700x
vapid crypt
Oh I see
eternal cairn
Do they need the PC now? Or would they be willing to wait?
eternal cairn
Best deals to look for are drives and RAM sticks.
vapid crypt
Wasn't the 3600 like $160 for a while?
eternal cairn
$153 about 22 days ago, according to Keepa.
abstract kite
Like I got Vengeance 3200Mhz x2 8 sticks for like $40 off new egg a few weeks ago
vapid crypt
I was considering just getting that cause it would have been just a bit more than what I payed for my 2600
But then I figured fuck it, I'll go for the 8 cores when the prices come down post Zen 3
vapid crypt
Don't have a reason for 12 cores, though a full doubling of cores is an attractive option
eternal cairn
It would also depend on price, at least for me.
But that's what r/buildapcsales is for. 😄
vapid crypt
I don't think my motherboard is fit for anything bigger than 8 cores
eternal cairn
Is it x570?
vapid crypt
Its X470
eternal cairn
Oh.
vapid crypt
Not an expensive one either
eternal cairn
Yeah, I don't really go for expensive motherboards.
I honestly don't understand the price gaps in motherboards.
eternal cairn
Anything >$300 on PC part picker is invisible to me. 😆
vapid crypt
Around $200 would probably be my limit, absolute upper limit maybe $300
eternal cairn
Same.
vapid crypt
Would have to have a good reason, but seeing as they're building motherboard around most price ranges with solid VRMs
That's what mostly matters I think
eternal cairn
Exactly!
vapid crypt
Well now at least
Early X570 if it was less than $300 most of them had lousy VRMs
TUF is the one exception I know for sure is decent, but otherwise most of the MSI lineup under $300 was trash
abstract kite
It was a TUF exception though...
vapid crypt
👏
abstract kite
Feels bad when no one says anything about Tuf
Do hear too much of them anywhere, at all. Besides discounts and sales.
vapid crypt
As a brand it doesn't have the greatest reputation thanks to Asus either gimping the products to push ROG, or they completely drop the ball on some of the products
Like not having the enough cutouts for cooling on the laptops, having terrible memory cooling for the 5700 cards anyway, shit they dropped the ball on the 5700 cards in general. Like the ROG cards had loose mounting pressure that it wasn't cooling properly either.
abstract kite
A shame, I hear good things when I do.
vapid crypt
It'll come sooner than what people are expecting, there was talk of November release; I'm thinking October
Kinda hoping for an event in a few weeks tbh
fleet canopy
Yeah should be October iirc
For both big Navi and 3000
Maybe Navi is November but still
Wait yeah Navi is October something
Although I think AMD is planning to reveal/release at about the same time as RTX 3000 as they have before on the RTX super if I am correct
vapid crypt
Right like how Nvidia teased Super cards the same week AMD announced the 5700 cards
Or was it when it released
vapid crypt
I'm curious if they're highballing to make sure no one fucks anything up.
merry bay
Very possible. Aged or questionable quality units might be very close to that and NVIDIA would most likely get the flak if anything goes wrong.
vapid crypt
AFAIK they're using this in the FE model, there are AIB models with 2 traditional 8 pins
merry bay
3x8 speculation was plentiful as well
mossy gulch
.
dense wasp
850+ is hilarious yeah
sick reef
Should say "Rated up to" because that's practically all power cables can be.
vapid crypt
So apparently that graph is faked by Coretek's community
Probably more of a prediction if anything
And I don't think its inaccurate that they will push RTX performance in the marketing
The marketing is very effective to normies though, they'll see "double the performance in games" and miss the part where it says using RTX and think that the 3080 is twice as fast as their 2080 or whatever
restive garnet
i would argue that both regular and RTX are equally as important, given that you are paying a premium for a single feature that not all games support
considering that the original rtx launch was given shit for not even being able to do 1080/60 on a 2080ti
if they could bring the performance difference to ~10%, it would actually make RTX a viable, although niche, option, especially for people with lower end cards
lets be real though, im just in it for raytraced cyberpunk
arctic lava
^
abstract kite
3080 will be 1.5x more powerful when the 4080 comes out it will be 2x as powerful. Duh.
jade ermine
6 hours lads
vapid crypt
Its going bois, who's watching
So far its just been Jensen talking about the different stuff RTX can do
Deep learning and all that
abstract kite
30fps
If he pulls it out of the oven ill fucking die.
regardless i enjoy what i see but mmmm samsung errrr.
vapid crypt
1080p 60 was barely there on Turing
abstract kite
I wish he picked a better game.
Marbles is great but when you jank the screen left and right you fuck it all u
vapid crypt
I hope DX12 Ultimate will handle this shit well I don't care if it isn't as pretty as long as its close enough
abstract kite
Give it a few months to a year for someone to post a hack/work around :^)
Or for them to release a patch that apologizes for the throttling ectra.
vapid crypt
Makes me wonder how the consoles will be doing this, its not like 30fps isn't a stranger on console
abstract kite
I recall Radeon did that awhile back with one of their runs, had to release a few patches to make up for a fuckup.
Hopefully consoles will balance out in price and become a decent investment.
oh boy
vapid crypt
As far as I know, the Xbox is matching the 2080ti. The architecture is different though so we don't know how ray tracing will perform
And by Matching I mean ~5% or something
vapid crypt
Ah I'm a bit behind, I'm watching a restream
vapid crypt
Yeah I see it now
vapid crypt
The smoke effects look damn good
vapid crypt
Hmm not showing the big guy yet
vapid crypt
That tiny PCB
vapid crypt
Hahahaah I'm still behind so
vapid crypt
Looks like the 3090 is gonna be announced and rolled out way later
abstract kite
i give you my brand new cellphone
vapid crypt
The cooling design is an interesting one
abstract kite
Rip CPU
vapid crypt
Yeah if you're air cooling the temps are going up
abstract kite
Yeah, uh, blasting your CPU with hot air is awesome
force me to water cool i get it Nvidia
its okay we're on the same page
vapid crypt
Though actually the PCB isn't running under that fan
So it won't be as hot as you might be thinking
abstract kite
We'll see the price.
Maybe I'll look into investing soon rather than later
w0what
did he just
im sorry what
merry bay
3080 699$ 
abstract kite
Pog!
I like the price.
I reall like that price.
499
I was bitching about the insane prices
They're all going lower
vapid crypt
Nice
abstract kite
okay so what do you want me to bitch about next guys?
lets fix this while my power is still here
abstract kite
This is wonderful honestly.
vapid crypt
AMD better have something good, Nvidia is playing well
abstract kite
It also means a lot of the older cards are going to have to balance out prices to reflect this.
intense gaming is no longer an investment
bless you Nvidia
vapid crypt
No fuck you Nvidia they were responsible for the high prices in the first place, this is just atonement
abstract kite
Now to wait for their site to update.
Yeah, well, at least it shows they're trying. At this point my standards are so low that atonement is about as good as forward thinking.
hopefully this is a trend they keep going.
vapid crypt
Don't count AMD out though
abstract kite
Never.
vapid crypt
Actually come to think of it, what were the specs of the 3070
abstract kite
I'd have to slide back and look
vapid crypt
I'll look after he talks about this Titan or whatever
vapid crypt
And it ended up being more expensive than the leaks
8k 60FPS with RTX
I mean shit for 1500
abstract kite
Im not even mad.
vapid crypt
Oh and DLSS but that's kind of a must
vapid crypt
The 3090 is 82 SMs right?
vapid crypt
Don't talk to my son or my girlfriend's son ever again
abstract kite
Lmfao
vapid crypt
Also 2080 TI users just got BTFOe'd
vapid crypt
Like the 3080 is faster for almost Half, and the 3070 is a bit faster for more than half
And there will be higher Vram models for both
vapid crypt
Well played Jensen
abstract kite
so glad it came out of the oven
vapid crypt
That wasn't a shitty meme fest like IT JUST WORKS for half the conference
abstract kite
Besides the cringe actors I enjoyed the presentation.
vapid crypt
Oh yeah the 20gb 3080 will easily be $800 or more
abstract kite
You could easily get away with less than 20 if you really wanted to.
vapid crypt
Won me over, still gonna get a Navi card probably
vapid crypt
Hmm
abstract kite
3100 TI is released
it's a rig.
vapid crypt
I hope the 3060 is sub $400 though
vapid crypt
60 class shouldn't be more than $300 imo, but if its $350 that's a step in the right direction
abstract kite
350$ I feel is a fine price because that's what I would pay for a 3060.
vapid crypt
They already up selling the 70 to $500
abstract kite
But i'll see how it is in Canada.
as far as i'm concerned this is fine.
ok AMD whatcha got...
vapid crypt
Shit 3080 gonna be 900 in CA probably
abstract kite
Depends on who sells it, with my discount and Canada Computers I could be looking at getting it for 840+
But, hmmm, maybe not. Let me check the dollar value
vapid crypt
I'm estimating
vapid crypt
I'll either get a $400 Navi card, or a 5700XT for Sub $300
abstract kite
I'll see how the reception is before I go too deep with a plan.
iron yew
This is the new 3090
vapid crypt
They won't have Sub 300 cards for a while
iron yew
Lmfao
abstract kite
Jensen has this whole plan to come out of a cave in the ground carrying one
iron yew
Santonian + nvidia
abstract kite
Screaming about the amazing 12k 120FPS
And how Dreyfus actually runs the world and all we're being fed is a lie
But, yeah, my one friend is probably going to get a 3090 or the 3080 for his rig; he spent too much on it.
So I'll actually get to try one or the other and most likely settle on whichever one i get a first hand test at.
vapid crypt
I don't care how powerful the 3090 is, I would never buy a card for that much
abstract kite
guy is loaded so.
merry bay
possibly for VR the 3090 could make sense.
e. x. Primax "8K" 2x 4K screens
vapid crypt
That's fine, Me personally I'm just not gonna spend the price of a used car for a GPU. But that's just me