21 years ago they released geforce 256.
21 x 256 = 5376
Cuda cores already spoiled
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
5376/64 = 84, so 84 SMs?
84 SM 5376 shaders 3090 Ultra/ 2190 Ultra 
I think it works either way cause its the 21st anniversary or just add 10
Then again saying 2180 or whatever sounds more awkward
eternal cairn
I can't wait for GPU prices to spike thanks to cryptominers. 😄
merry bay
Please be a lousy prophet
restive garnet
tbf, i think nothing beats the 16 series in terms of recent naming
from 10xx to 20xx could sort of be justified
vapid crypt
Oh yeah I loved their explanation too
restive garnet
and they can go places from there
but where do you go from 16?
i cant even remember their 16 explanation
vapid crypt
I forgot the exact explanation, but its something like cause its the same architecture as RTX turing; but without the RT cores so that takes it down a notch
But its still closer to 20, hence 16 1 over 15
Which would be the halfway point of 10 - 20
restive garnet
and to think that someone is being paid a very large salary for that
probably a whole team of someones
just to go hurr durr 15+1=16
vapid crypt
Seriously, their marketing is just amazing... not in a good way 
restive garnet
i mean, jumping from gtx10xx to rtx20xx sort of made sense in a way
vapid crypt
They're intelligent at convincing people they're fast an all that, but the naming conventions like that just go out the window
restive garnet
so they could keep separate naming between gtx and rtx
vapid crypt
Especially when it comes to all the segmentation
There's a graphics card for every $30
Why?
restive garnet
like intel, they arent too bad on their naming convention
except for all their suffixes
which they chop and change every few generations
vapid crypt
Well I specifically meant 16
restive garnet
the 16 series doesnt make sense to me at a whole
in theory, sure
rtx cards without raytracing at a lower price
vapid crypt
I see it as an excuse to fool people into buying x50 cards for x60 money
restive garnet
but the regular performance of the rtx equivalent was proportionately the same as the price difference
sounds about right
vapid crypt
Then again considering the performance, that's probably not an entirely fair take
vapid crypt
1660 non super, using GDDR5 right?
vapid crypt
There's 3 different 1660s and its dumb
restive garnet
looked at the 16 series at launch and immediately wrote it off
vapid crypt
1660/1660 ti/1660 Super
The difference between the 1660 and 1660 ti which were the initial release was about 15%
The 1660 being maybe 10 - 15% faster than the 1060 as it is
feral tree
Will my GT 260 run this?
vapid crypt
Literally only cause of Vram though, since the 1660 uses GDDR5 and the ti uses GDDR6
vapid crypt
I guess it has more shaders too
But seeing as the 1660 Super is literally just a 1660 with even faster GDDR6 and the ti
finite shadow
where is my motherboard located?
vapid crypt
It evens out, almost the same performance
finite shadow
is it in my pc or a external thing
restive garnet
it just gets me that you dont really save any money for going without rtx
finite shadow
?
restive garnet
its internal
restive garnet
if you look inside your case, you will see a big board with heaps of stuff on it
finite shadow
ohhhhh
restive garnet
thats your motherboard
finite shadow
i though that was were i make my food
cause it gets really hot
is ddr2 better then ddr5
?
restive garnet
generally speaking, no
finite shadow
thats toxic
restive garnet
tho i guess technically possible, although infinitely unlikely
vapid crypt
Imagine clocking ddr2 at 10ghz
restive garnet
lmfao
all im imagining is that picture of the computer running doom eternal, lit on fire
10ghz ddr2
vapid crypt
More like Integrated graphics on the chipset from 2004
fleet canopy
Hm.
finite shadow
does the game support mac os?
finite shadow
will my phone run the game?
restive garnet
probably not
finite shadow
snapdragon 650 and 12gb of ram
vapid crypt
The fuck?
finite shadow
do you want to see?
restive garnet
but no dedicated graphics processing
finite shadow
is it safe to eat thermal paste
restive garnet
and i doubt the processor or ram would really be fast enough
almost definitely not
are you finished?
restive garnet
it is for a video game called gtfo
feral tree
It is safe to eat Thermal paste.
restive garnet
ikr
restive garnet
really depends on the thermal paste, though i cant think of any off the top of my head that would be safe to eat
feral tree
done
restive garnet
most of them contain silicon, which is fairly toxic to consume
finite shadow
the best is where you feel the burning sensation in yoyur throat
feral tree
its like antibiotics
weak bloom
why do i need a fan for cpu
restive garnet
depends on your cpu, but generally to keep it from overheating
weak bloom
can thermal paste be used as anal lubricant?
feral tree
I mean, Techincally
feral tree
Ulfsaar wanna try it?>
restive garnet
thanks for the offer fam, but ima take a hard pass
abstract kite
Hmmm
vapid crypt
If you're in Hell maybe
feral tree
What is hell?
vapid crypt
Technically not inaccurate
How dare I what?
I don't think this is appropriate discussion in this channel
fleet canopy
Not related to PC talk
red sinew
@feral tree Please no, politics aren't a topic in this channel or any others. Rule 1
brisk badger
partially political:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/China-hires-over-100-TSMC-engineers-in-push-for-chip-leadership
Taiwan has lost more than 3,000 chip engineers to China, Nikkei earlier reported.
😲
restive garnet
interesting prospect
i'm personally wondering how much effect that will have on the western world
the article states that the main reason behind the projects at a whole is to cut reliance on overseas chip manufacturers, but i wonder if and when it gains traction overseas, and whether it will be competitive with relevant offerings at the time
brisk badger
I think that china is primary worried about the chip they import having some backdoor or other vulnerabilities included. Or maybe they really want to produce CPU's not only for themselves but the whole world (which then allows China to also install backdoors 😛 )
from a security perspective, neither AMD nor Intel are great with security and handling vulnerabilities
tribal geyser
GTFO STUCK AT 40 FPS WHEN I START MATCH AND MY PC ABOVE THE RECOMENDED, HOW TO FIX THIS?
brisk badger
Need more details. What is ur setup, what resolution are you playing at, verified your components are actually not throttling (e.g due to thermals), proper driver installed
If its constantly stuck at 40fps, check that there is no app limiting fps
tribal geyser
AMD 570, i5 4690, 16 ram, 1960:1080 and my monitor 144HZ @brisk badger
sick reef
That is what countries, including the US, is trying to do, due to how JIT-model is affected by interference in any part of the production line.
brisk badger
Security is less of an issue when you're funding the technological advancement of China under the control of the CCP
I would argue that economic espionage (done through installing backdoors in electronics) is way more dangerous than to fund a country by importing goods. Sure it's problematic as well but on another level. We are basically living right now in a cold war 2.0
I am totally supporting the idea tho to not have everything produced for cheap in china and that requires us to pay more for goods but also maybe we can change and no longer need to buy new stuff constantly.
restive garnet
i would agree with the cold war 2.0, as its basically a cold war during a cold war lmao
both sides are sniping away at eachother politically and economically, while denying it and trying to avoid open warfare
eternal cairn
Though we might not be far from warfare at this rate.
Regardless, I like having products that aren't 99% "Made in China", at least for products made after 2010.
Controllers started getting built with such a shitty joystick module ever since 2014. The module is so flimsy that it results in all sorts of problems with the joystick after a matter of months.
Manufacturers knew this but continued using them anyway simply because they're more plastic than metal and are thus cheaper.
vapid crypt
Shit I wouldn't mind spending $10 or $20 more for better quality controllers
Leaked shot of an Nvidia PCB
brisk badger
the PCB looks nice indeed. Nice to see memory on the back
I wish hardware engineers would make such videos tho and not pc enthusiast. At the end, especially the comparison with vega it gets messy
restive garnet
any engineer in any relevant area thats worth his salt will already be employed at either first or third party manufacturers, and quite probably tied up in NDAs, and wont really be able to say much
vapid crypt
Buildzoid is pretty well informed when it comes to this kind of stuff, I don't know if he's an engineer or just a dedicated hardware hobbyist that nerds out on motherboard hardware and overclocking; I suppose if he makes a video about the pcb shot he might be more insightful
There's a reason the pcb shot had a bunch of stuff covered, it gives away who leaked the image pretty much
brisk badger
Well there is also engineers that are not hired by intel or amd
I mean nvida not intel
Well intel has technically too a department😋
restive garnet
Id imagine that even if it was an intel engineer publicly discussing leaked nvidia pcbs, intel themselves wouldnt want to risk upsetting nvidia, or potentially getting in to some kind of industrial espionage or defamation based lawsuit
Also, i wasnt just referring to intel/nvidia/amd, but also to AIB partners such as ASUS, as they make custom pcbs themselves
brisk badger
Maybe, i did not study law. I may have worded it wrong but what nagged me in the video was the end when vega was compared to nvidias gpus. There was just a lot of confusion and misunderstanding
restive garnet
I dont think you really need to study law in the states lmao
Its just a flow chart of do you want to sue someone
If yes, sue them
If no, don't sue them
vapid crypt
Lawsuits are a national pass time here
restive garnet
And then it just comes down to who is willing to spend more to drag out court proceedings till the other gives up
Ngl, i sorta wish they were here too
Like, i got hit by a car that ran a red light, and the cop in charge of the investigation "misplaced" his notebook with witness contact details, and that was the end of it
Cop ended the investigation and i couldnt do anything about it
I even complained to his bosses bosses boss, and got told that they wouldnt do anything
vapid crypt
"Hit a run? No problem I'll just pretend that didn't happen."
restive garnet
Pretty much
Turned from "we have this guy dead to rights, with over a dozen witnesses", to "we can't prove that he was at fault, plus he told me he visited you in hospital and called you every day to check up on you"
Which to clarify, he never spoke to me at all
Tl;dr, our legal system is as big a joke as americas, despite being polar opposites
vapid crypt
Extremes are just bad
Obviously its nuanced, people are people and people are stupid and sometimes corrupt
sick reef
That which can be attributed to malice can often be explained by sloth.
abstract kite
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233859 I am about to get this RAM. any objections to what may be better?
I am getting it because it is on sale and I have the x2 16 (32gb) variety
The board I am getting can handle it
vapid crypt
Oh you have the same kit but 16gb each?
abstract kite
Yeah
vapid crypt
Why do you need an extra 16?
vapid crypt
Oh okay, well that's kind of weird but 48gb is 48gb I guess
As long as all the timings and stuff work together
abstract kite
Wat? The 16gb is going to my friends build lol
brisk badger
it's a good deal but not the best ram. Though I would never buy "the best" ram
vapid crypt
I see, well then what's it being paired with?
And yeah it isn't the best ram, I basically have it from the same line, technically it was a kit that's 3000mhz C15
abstract kite
Processor? Ryzen 5 3600x
vapid crypt
With Ryzen calculator I got it to 3200 C14
abstract kite
Board? Mix between B550 and an X570
Don't know which one yet
The B550 I was going to get shot up in price to $230
vapid crypt
Um I would maybe look at the 3600 C16 kit from Gskill Ripjaws
Like that guarantees 1:1 1800mhz on the Fclock for the CPU
abstract kite
brisk badger
idon't like this infinity fabric
vapid crypt
Yeah exactly
Its up to you though, its like $15 more and it would squeeze out some extra performance
vapid crypt
That's a great deal though, the Corsair kit, I got mine for 65 last year
Different part technically, but its the same line so
brisk badger
oh timings are the same, then def. the ripjaws
abstract kite
Will the performance going to drop substantially IF I don't get the 3600?
vapid crypt
No not significantly
abstract kite
3200 it is then
vapid crypt
Actually it might be possible to tighten the timings on the corsair kit to get it close enough in say games
brisk badger
or you can try 3600mhz and up the timings
vapid crypt
Basically 3200 C14 = 3600 C16 in that case
brisk badger
overclocking ram is a pain tho. Would not recommend if you want a very stable system
abstract kite
I am using the 3200 32gb kit and I am not having problems. You need to understand the current PC my friend has is a potato, so any upgrade is a good one.
vapid crypt
Yeah for overclocking RAM you gotta get quality Samsung modules usually
I've heard the Micron E die is pretty good too?
brisk badger
the 3200 c14 is actually a tad better then the 3600 c16 (8.75ns vs 8.88ns)
but it's so little, less than 1% perf gain probably lol
vapid crypt
My RAM has Micron D dies, using the ram calculator I was able to safely tune the timings for a slight 266mhz overclock over XMP
restive garnet
I should really try pushing my ram overclocks
vapid crypt
And the latency is significant in most things, there are probably cases where the raw clock speed might benefit. Not something I know too much about though, something I've vaguely heard about
restive garnet
Using a high end g.skill kit based on samsung B die
brisk badger
people argue that the "true latency" is the most important of the RAM tho I can't really argue about.
In the past I was on the side of those who reduced latency not upped the speed
crucial made a good blogpost about it: https://www.crucial.com/articles/about-memory/difference-between-speed-and-latency
i honestly doubt though that games profit much from extreme ram kits.
If you need a setup/system that requires the lowest possible latency/delay then it surely is interesting
restive garnet
I doubt i need it, but i definitely want it ;)
vapid crypt
There are limits, its significant with Ryzen because of how the architecture is structured it relies on fast RAM
restive garnet
Its mostly a shits and giggles/labor of love thing for me
brisk badger
that's why I am yet hesitant buying an AMD cpu
vapid crypt
With overclocking the Fclock on the CPU, if you get the Fclock to I think 1933Mhz then the absolute limit is 3866 on the RAM
brisk badger
I don't want to buy fast and expensive ram to unleash the cpu's potential. That sucks
vapid crypt
That's how it is with the current CPUs
Its all overclocking though, I'm not even sure how much more performance you get
brisk badger
with intel I can have a 4800MHZ ram module and a 500MHz CPU if I want 😋
vapid crypt
Like 3200Mhz is base line, 3600Mhz is the sweet spot for price/performance
Anything more is extra and overclock tweaking
brisk badger
(i actually want an AMD cpu but I don't want to buy now because of the new gen)
vapid crypt
I'm gonna pick up a 3700X when the prices go down
brisk badger
yea thats the other plan. I really want the 3900x for the one pc two gamers setup but it cost yet too much :/
i wonder if there actually exist an affordable dual socket mobo for amd
that works with the 3xxx lineup, not threadripper
abstract kite
Order placed. Thanks for the advice guys.
vapid crypt
Oh there is no dual socket board for either platform
brisk badger
that would explain why i cannot find anything
vapid crypt
Yet, and if there will be it will be for Threadripper, the alleged TRx80 chipset
Threadripper PRO
Starting at 12 cores I think
brisk badger
yea will cost way too much. I don't need that luxury
but pairing two 3600x would have been sweet
the pricejump from the 3900x to the 3950x is too high in my country
~300USD more for 4 cores more and some l3 cache
vapid crypt
That's actually not too different here
Last I checked 3900X is $429 and the 3950X is like $709
brisk badger
i see sites sell often cpu + mobo as a pack. Any reason to it? As a customer I don't seem to save much money
vapid crypt
Hmm $699 now, like it makes a difference
Probably convenience, if there is a discount its obviously not very big
I know Microcenter here has a deal where they take off like $20 of the CPU when you buy it with a motherboard
brisk badger
hmm if you are lucky and there is the mobo you want then it's great i guess
do you happen to have a recommendation regarding a mobo that has two pcie x16 but doesn't cost a fortune (and should have a sexy VRM as well)
with ryzen I can use 2 x16 gpu's and a nvme? or will one have to be throttled
vapid crypt
Look at X570 pretty much
Like there's a wide variety of features and price points ranging from reasonable to insane but understandable
That's a pretty good list I would say
vapid crypt
Well yeah mostly, their Intel boards are absolute garbage apparently though
Their Z490 Velocita board is just awful, at least according to Buildzoid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKiwDL3UrA
Low tier you mean?
Cause that's fair
I've said this before I initially got an Asrock board, and I refunded it because I thought something was wrong with the memory channels cause I kept getting memory related blue screens
As it turns out, its most likely because I failed to install the RAM in the right slots, so it was running dual channel; but not the one the board expected I guess?
That's what I get for not reading the manual anyway
I actually ended up switching the RAM to the right channels in the last week, that's when I came to the false conclusion that something was wrong with the board. Though I dunno I guess to be fair its possible that if I were to fill out each slot that it could have still been faulty. Who knows 
abstract kite
You guys did the same for me when my PC was not booting properly.
fleet canopy
What the fuck is that pfp @abstract kite
abstract kite
My Au Ra
fleet canopy
fleet canopy
Ok
vapid crypt
So that's funny cause Gamers Nexus have been legitimately blacklisted from companies like that, I suppose specifically MSI as an example. Their marketing team is so thin skinned its hilarious. It never ends up being long term though, people get fired for being dumb or whatever
fleet canopy
I mean, I guess they just blacklist and are like "Fuck it, we'll finally fix the damn problem and whitelist them"
Better than nothing
vapid crypt
Nah I think the higher ups are legit, the marketing team invests their ego.
Its like their art form
bright shard
any reviewer that gets blacklisted it A-ok in my book, if it was on the grounds of integrity
fleet canopy
Oh yeah I remember something about Linus or GN saying that if they could talk and share stuff with the scientists/engineering team behind it, they would have more understanding and they would not acknowledge them as a company that acts like a crybaby or so
bright shard
too many reviewers are nearing actual shilling territory
vapid crypt
Yeah the engineers are honest about what they produce
fleet canopy
But because "Wee woo, secret no speaky speaky"
vapid crypt
Where as the marketers gotta talk everything up
Even if something is objectively bad
Not that they would understand it probably
abstract kite
What does theblacklistmean againt
fleet canopy
Blacklist is pretty much blocking
lol
So like a party
You blacklisted me? I cannot go
You whitelisted me? I'm allowed to go
fleet canopy
Yeah something like that
fleet canopy
Well yes it is
The motherboard is amazingly good
The price is not amazingly good
B450 should be at the most, 125$
abstract kite
I got it for that much
abstract kite
$115
fleet canopy
lol I got confused
abstract kite
Yeah I should of been more accurate 
abstract kite
<@&408548765599793173>
red sinew
ty
abstract kite
yea
void perch
pc tech happened here
timber lotus
what do you think they did here?
this tech is happened biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig
fleet canopy
"Micron confirms NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 gets 21Gbps GDDR6X memory"
"NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 graphics card is listed on the Micron website with 12GB GDDR6X memory. Micron estimates that GeForce RTX 3090 will be able to break the 1 TB/s barrier with a bandwidth expected between 912 to 1008 GB/s. In order to achieve 1TB/s bandwidth, the graphics card would require a clock speed of 21 Gbps and a memory bus of 384-bit (21*384/8). The speed is clearly not yet set for the NVIDIA SKU, but it should be between 19 and 21 Gbps."
late sorrel
damn
eternal cairn
Imagine a 4k60 video file that's less than 2 minutes long but is 185GB.
That's what happens when you export from After Effects.
Also, I now need yet another 2 TB HDD.
eternal cairn
It's too expensive though.
Besides, the 6 TB Seagate Barracuda only goes up to 5400 RPM.
eternal cairn
I honestly want to see if I can maybe find out how to reduce the file size without reducing quality.
Because after I re-export the video with Adobe Media Encoder, it dramatically reduces the file size and seems to preserve the quality.
Maybe I'll use my 4 TB backup drive instead.
solar cargo
I want to buy this game but I'm not quite sure if my laptop can run it at least on low settings, my specs are
Core i5-1035G1
8GB RAM
Intel UHD Graphics
128MB VRAM
500 GB SSD
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
vapid crypt
Resolution?
Intel has improved their graphics quite a bit
Nah its Ice Lake
That's when they got a pretty good jump in performance
Like its probably not playing anything better than Counter Strike or League at decent framerate
But its way better than what they used to have for what its worth
Oh I didn't see the Vram
That's less than the laptop I used before I got my pc
merry bay
@solar cargo If you don't mind the time investment, you can always make use of steam's refund policy. Under 2h playtime within 2 weeks of purchase = guaranteed refund option.
So can try it and see for yourself.
vapid crypt
The game gives you a warning if you try launching it with less than 2gb of Vram
If it uses System RAM, wait does it only allocate 128mb initially?
Then you could maybe allocate 2gb
I don't even think that's enough to run a modern OS, you need at least 512mb probably
If you allocate 2gb to the Vram then yes
solar cargo
If I remember correctly it automatically changes
And unfortunately I cant allocate more in the BIOS settings
@solar cargo If you don't mind the time investment, you can always make use of steam's refund policy. Under 2h playtime within 2 weeks of purchase = guaranteed refund option.
So can try it and see for yourself.
@merry bay
Thanks I definitely will
merry bay
I don't have high hopes with just 128mb of vram, but would be nice to know how it went, as a curiosity
eternal cairn
My video's bitrate is 1327 mbps. It's 720p60 and only 2 minutes long. 😆
And Microsoft's media player can't play it. 🤣
vapid crypt
VLC is great, shows how badly optimized Twitch is; or maybe its just browsers
I remember using VLC on my old laptop when I wanted to watch streams on Twitch that were higher than 720p at 60fps
abstract kite
VLC is solid, until it just dies randomly.
dawn crown
Wait helo
Guys
I think I broke my pc
I turned it on and this happens
That's not a language
fleet canopy
Yeah should be language settings
vapid crypt
Oh good meme changing the font to Windings
dawn crown
Uhhh
dawn crown
Oh windows screen is normal
fleet canopy
Kinda forgot how it went again
dawn crown
How do I change font
Uhh
So where from here?
Clock with an a?
Oh I see it
It says it's on english
That doesn't sound like a good thing
vapid crypt
What were you doing before everything changed?
dawn crown
I had performance issues so I was checking for viruses
vapid crypt
That's all, using what?
dawn crown
I did like a I forgot
O think it was something with storage
I did this
Disc cleanup
vapid crypt
Oh ran disk cleanup, I mean I don't see how that would suddenly change the font
Strange
vapid crypt
And rebooting has done nothing then?
dawn crown
Nah I'm still trying to open disc
I restarted after the cleanup ended and this happened
IT WORKED
Yea I just had to click on it
TYSM
Idk what I would've done
vapid crypt
That's some weird stuff though, never heard of windows doing that
Outside of maybe a funky virus payload maybe
jade ermine
probably
dawn crown
pls most likly
vapid crypt
Not saying it is, but that's the only explanation I could maybe think of. I've seen some wacky virus payloads that just corrupts all the visuals
Even some slow burn ones where it gets worse as it goes on
dawn crown
really?
thad just lety me scan cumputer for virus
my computer has turned into a potato with mcdonalds wifi latly
NUUUUUU
u sure this wount just giv me virus
vapid crypt
Might be interested in seeing some of these virus payloads, there's this channel that examines all kinds of malware ranging from Dos to Windows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-jdSgjtUPk
dawn crown
how long would the scan take is it nan overniugth scan?
vapid crypt
That one is one I remembered where its just a meme shitpost virus that fucks up everything
fleet canopy
No one here gives anything that can give malware
vapid crypt
The only thing that would be nearly undetectable would be a rootkit
dawn crown
dang this is really fast
vapid crypt
If you know you're badly infected usually booting into safe mode prevents it from running in that case for most malware and what not
dawn crown
maan why would people make viruses thas just rude
vapid crypt
Some people just want to see the world burn
snow rain
proper wren
Whats your hard drive? @snow rain Is your heatsink hot?
If your heatsink is cool to the touch, something is wrong with your hard drive and can show false numbers on the cpu usage
Thermal paste needs to be pea size or grain of rice.
abstract kite
idk y but my cpu usage is just stuck at 100% usage i have a ryzen 5 3600
@snow rain does it happen on restart/boot? Does it stay for a while and just drop to no usage?
steady solar
Need help
I turn pc on and all the lights go on but after 1 sec it goes off then turns back on then pc boots into mobo setup then I restart from there and it boots normally
What's the problem
Pls tag me
steady solar
Not my pic but this
Then I pressed F1 and normal bios after I exit it boots normally
@merry bay @merry bay
merry bay
Did you have any specific settings in your BIOS? Do you think if it were to reset to defaults it would work fine?
My first guess is the battery on your motherboard died so every time you power down BIOS resets
craggy bridge
does this count as tech talk? LUL, built myself a mobile boombox
restive garnet
I mean, im pretty sure attaching a car battery to your nipples would count as tech talk ;)
fleet canopy
lmao
void perch
no
lilac geyser
no what?
vapid crypt
No degeneracy
fleet canopy
No nipple car battery fusion
half sigil
Can I at least use a car battery charger butt plug?
void perch
let's keep this sfw please
half sigil
Understandable
velvet sage
have a nice day
fleet canopy
✌️
abstract kite
hey, can someone tell me what are AMD gpu's CU and Nvidia's SMs? i don't have a clue and already looked the internet
abstract kite
ooooh. Thanks
yeah, i was just reading a blog speculating about Big Navi
and it said CUs and SMs and i didn't get it
ye
fleet canopy
The "Gamer edition blah blah"
abstract kite
God I am getting tired of seeing the "Gamer" shit
That one word makes the price skyrocket.
fleet canopy
I wonder if routers do in fact have a CPU and RAM in it
void perch
The spider design is so ugly
void perch
I wonder if routers do in fact have a CPU and RAM in it
@fleet canopy they do
fleet canopy
But that fucking price is a joke
abstract kite
I think even your Microwave has a CPU and RAM in it. xD
fleet canopy
There's a 2080 Ti in the bread 👀
abstract kite
Well yeah.
void perch
I've got this Wi-Fi router / access point that is just fine. 10g Wi-Fi is just dumb as it won't be used.
abstract kite
I am not looking for routers. I just seen it on Newegg while searching their deals.
loud gale
I have been living on this ok prebuilt for almost 2 years now an i am finally starting to see performance drops in some newer games and i was wondering if i should upgrade anything or just build a new one by myself although im not very good at it.
my pc specs are:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor
RAM: 16 GB
GPU: Radeon RX 580
loud gale
1080p and it varies between games but i get stuttering alot
fleet canopy
What games specifically
loud gale
pretty much any game that requires more processing power that minecraft i begin to stutter at like 40 - 80 mins into playing
idk if its a problem with my gpu or something else, im not that good with tech so i wanted to ask someone else who may have a better idea if it is a easy fix
restive garnet
At a glance, your specs should be mostly fine for 1080/60
Unless there is something else going on, probably just a graphics card upgrade would see you out for the next few years
Unfortunately, ryzen does tend to have a fairly large amount of quirks which makes it fairly hard to pin point exactly whats wrong
merry bay
What do you have for storage? Having everything on a single drive can slow things down.
loud gale
I have the majority of my games on 1 drive and my windows shit on another. the one with windows installed on it is quite small
vapid crypt
Where did you get this prebuilt from?
abstract kite
It's probably your thermals
Seeing as you are fine for the for the first 40-80 min it indicates that your pc is thermal throttling
fleet canopy
Maybe
vapid crypt
Oh I didn't read that part, that's certainly possible. Especially if you've literally never cleaned the pc in the close to two years you've had it
abstract kite
yeah get some canned air if it is dusty
vapid crypt
Need a bit more info: if the computer has ever been cleaned, what kind of cpu cooler do you have, and I'm still curious about what kind of prebuilt it is
I've been hearing about practically every System integrator not enabling XMP on the RAM, either because they forget to or the arbitrary "overclocking" not being covered under warranty nonsense. That also takes a decent hit to performance on Ryzen, so it could be multiple issues technically
merry ocean
yo can someone help me
my audio in game doesnt work
and i have all my drivers up to date
abstract kite
It'll take them time to get back to you but they always do, don't worry.
My advice is to check on youtube.
Personally, it sounds like a drive issue. Reinstalling it may help.
brisk badger
My respect for running this CPU for almost 10 years.
I totally agree that upgrading components (but the GPU) is more than okay if you do that every 5+ years. But your CPU was so.... underwhelming I would have probably swapped nonetheless.
I partially upgraded my pc from 2014 but still run the i7 4790k and recently swapped from the fury X to the 5700xt.
Many people laugh about the apple people that keep buying the newest products but themselves are also upgrading to the latest hardware generation...
did you had a beefy gpu then?
yea the cpu must be bottlenecking hard
I see. still nice that it even manages 40fps in 2020
time flies 😦
you still on amd?
nice. if you use this for gaming; It surely is perfect till 2025 unless some very new innovations (architectures etc.) are released
yea understandable
for me it's also a bit problematic; the i7 4790k actually performs in 2020 fine (for my use case). I honestly still have no reason to upgrade
hmm going to be difficult. Only amd knows. They surely can make it happen but we'll see
there is money to made with swapping more components :/
tho sometimes they just have to make a new socket for the next gens
but not what intel did. made me so mad
new gen, new chipset. like wtf
it may sound weird but DYI computers are just a fraction of the sales. Most will be OEM or servers. dunno what is bigger
i wonder if and how that will change. Often people especially in server business don't care much for the money but rather they stick to what they "know" or was used before
meaning like they dont care if the threadripper costs 15% and performs 15%
ofc there is a threshold
it's going to be interesting what happens to ARM, which might be bought by NVIDIA
it surely will take a couple of years but they will get a bigger share. it's good for us in the end of the day. no more tyranny of intel (and them refusing to continue with inovation and tech progress)
lilac geyser
haswell gang
merry ocean
yea @abstract kite sound works on everything else
abstract kite
So my mother wants a chromebook3 for just internet browsing. The only thing that scares me about it is the RAM inside of it. 4gb, is it worth it?
vapid crypt
How much is it?
abstract kite
$100
vapid crypt
Oh its like one of those netbooks
abstract kite
Yeah
abstract kite
Chrome eats 8gb of RAM though. Wouldn't running it off 4Gb of RAM crash the system?
abstract kite
So I am back as square 1.
I search Chrome OS and ofc google would give themselves good reviews lol
abstract kite
I don't trust Chrome OS
vapid crypt
I trust Google less than Microshaft, but that's not saying much
abstract kite
We should do what Epic Games is doing and bait both Google and Microdicks into a lawsuit for this.
vapid crypt
America's favorite pass times: baseball, barbeque and frivolous lawsuits
vapid crypt
I think Barbeque implies it
But anyway don't mind me as I snack on my Flaming Hot Limon Doritos
abstract kite
I am gonna be eating Barbeque Hotdogs and Chicken actually.
merry ocean
how should i get the attention of the devs? or just sumone who can help me
old patrol
what do you need help with?
earnest rose
wdym, why the devs
vapid crypt
If you're having a technical issue regarding the game bring your inquiry to #gtfo-technical-support
earnest rose
^
vapid crypt
And if you need to report a bug refer to #bug-reporting
lilac geyser
just checked out what he needed a dev for, he's an influencer (2k followers)
got him set up with a free copy of gtfo
stuck jackal
oh this chanel is active
and its a help chanel so i guess i should be here
Alright... so the game looks cool but like.. is it dead? is that why I cant seem to find a lobby? and if i host a lobby no one joins me soo
Also is it basically impossible to play unless I use discord or soemthing?
like I have to use it to talk to people or is there in game chat?
there is no tutorial
abstract kite
There are slow times, and there are less active players since this rundown has been pretty short
stuck jackal
I tried to play by myself and just got spotted right away and then just kind of got shot by and shot at some crawling thing it was kind of borning
like it took a billion hits to take out
and it wasnt really killing me
abstract kite
Let's take this to general or GTFO chat
stuck jackal
okay
jade ermine
vapid crypt
No surprise considering the damn thing is gonna have 24gb of Vram right?
Still the thing is, price rumors are dirt until they actually announce the prices
They can decide the price literally minutes before any announcement
Still if the 3090 will be $2000 where does that place the lower cards that are basically just cutdown versions of the same die
Cause with that, I can see the 3080 ti at the same $1200 mark as before, and the 3080 no less than $900
jade ermine
two weeks, cant wait to see what they have been cooking up
vapid crypt
Some more RDNA 2 info from Xbox apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mgRFan0Y8A
vapid crypt
Tom brings up a good point, good chance there might be no 3080 ti on launch and it will just be the 3080 and 3090 as a psuedo Titan; then release the ti and Titan after AMD shows what they got
jade ermine
i can see that happening
brisk badger
@abstract kite 4gb for a chromebook is totally fine for browsing and other stuff.
Do you think google would release a netbook where people could not open chrome becasue of too little ram ? 🤔
chrome on windows does use a lot of ram but it does that by inspecting your system and allocating a lot unused ram. You can still run chrome in windows 10 and 4gb of ram. Or less. May not be as smooth but will work.
Also chrome os is much more lightweight than windows 10
abstract kite
@abstract kite 4gb for a chromebook is totally fine for browsing and other stuff.
Do you think google would release a netbook where people could not open chrome becasue of too little ram ? 🤔
@brisk badger yes actually. Lol
Would force you to buy another stick and slap it in there, but if you open it up you voided the warranty. Lol
brisk badger
:P
I would trust google in that case.
This netbook is similar to a smartphone in regards of performance, just with a bigger screen (and more powerful CPU)
my phone also has 4GB ram and with some tabs open in chrome plus the OS, I have aroung 1.7GB ram free
abstract kite
I mean I would get it to play games like rebel Inc and low quality games.
brisk badger
if it's a windows 10 machine and 4gb ram + chrome then the experience is not so great
i think it's even great for gaming, tho i have no idea how much ram mobile apps may require
abstract kite
So the OS it optimizing it?
brisk badger
not optimizing but using less resources. Windows has a lot of background services etc that all contribute eating RAM, giving less ram for chrome
abstract kite
Eh I can just play it off steam, no?
brisk badger
you can stream games on steam. Meaning you can start the game on your PC, then connect from any device (incl. smartphone) and play it like you were on the pc
abstract kite
If I have good/secure internet connection
brisk badger
yea reliable internet you need (not secure) and it's not great for FPS / competitive games
merry bay
I've played some DOOM via Geforce NOW(same concept except it's a PC from a datacenter)
Had roughly 30 ping to it. There's definitely delay, but it's something you can adjust and get used to. If you have a craptop it's truly a good experience.
fiery panther
Hmm
Don't like that idea myself really
Just imagine 50 people playing the same game at once
merry bay
Everyone gets their own instance, it's not shared. Wouldn't make sense if it would
brisk badger
nvidia now is the other option. Tho it's in the "cloud" whereas with steam it's in the same local network (can also work through the internet)
merry bay
If you already have a capable machine, it's harder to see the use-case for it. But it's definitely a cool feature. Afaik not every game is supported for remote steam play.
Parsec was what I used for local coop games to play online. (essentially letting your friend control your machine)
If you're close to each other it's outstandingly snappy(for what it is) and stream quality is excellent.
restive garnet
i played doom 2016 on my tablet, experience wasn't the best, but i think that may have been due to the display on my tablet, or just the tablet in general, were fairly low end, but it was still a fairly impressive experience
also, to clarify it was on steam home streaming, not running on the tablet itself
wasnt having to much issue with input delay, but it was stuttering a lot, especially doing a side by side comparison with my PC
merry bay
Wonder how much of the stutter is due to wi-fi and how much due to the machine having a rough time.
brisk badger
regarding use case: I often play games in bed on Sundays using a netbook or a tablet attached to a TV. Or if I need to troubleshoot a game outside of my home I can just boot my PC and stream from it.
yea home streaming is very sensitive. to really optimize it you would need to tinker with QoS (quality of service) and other options to improve the connection. I do play on wireless too and have almost no lags, sometimes they may occur tho, like every 5mins
earnest rose
So it would be great if someone could help, I have a pretty new PC and am running into stuttering problems; it usually results in switching or glitches of my audio input/output and a momentary freeze (between 5-10 seconds) I have a feeling it’s a hardware issue, loose parts from factory, etc.
If anyone has something to try to fix it, it would be much appreciated
brisk badger
I would verify that no software is causing this issue, incl OS.
Good starting point is the windows event viewer (search for errors or critcal in system and software), make sure drivers are installed properly, maybe update them
earnest rose
Kk, thx. I’ll try that out when I get home from work
sick reef
Double-checking all the connections wouldn't hurt either.
abstract kite
Defrag and Scandisk are the best secondary options. I had the same problem for years and the only way I managed to fix it was by getting a new motherboard.
I miss Windows XP
brisk badger
good catch. Typing in CMD chkdsk /f /r will check your selected drive for any issues. Always good to do (will take a while till it's finished). defrag also nice but need a HDD.
windows XP helped me a lot understanding windows OS
Installing Windows to be greated with yellow question marks in device manager that start your journey of finding the correct driver for example
abstract kite
Indeed. You may also find this issue is just going to stay forever, bad sectors/corrupted areas. Sometimes you just need to replace it; one too many blue-screens or hard crashes. If you really feel like you're dealing with issues. Replace parts out starting with a sound card if you have one or a video card.
Sometimes this issue is a video card, I had the same one happen to me using a Radeon Sapphire 9850, and again with a Gigabyte 560
Seems like it happened far more on the 560, so it could just be a current nvidia update doing what it does best.
xp was also the most user friendly, a problem on xp was "Give me a few hours to explore and I'll get it." now its "I need to let Windows 10 do its thing, fail, manually do it again, or restore or hard regedit shit"
earnest rose
Yeah, just using usb
One usb
I just have to unplug and plug it back in if I lose audio usually
Hmm, I’ll try that
vapid crypt
Rear panel > front panel in most cases. At least regarding audio specifically
abstract kite
Depends also on the case and company who produced the case.
Also Sound Card > Motherboard > Front Panels
Sound Cards make a diff
vapid crypt
I did notice sound cards are making a resurgence
abstract kite
its also because if you fire the soundcard you done fire the board
brisk badger
<--- has a dedicated sound card
<--- has an usb headset
<--- 🤦♂️
vapid crypt
I think the motherboard sound is typically good enough for most people, but I respect an audiophile
abstract kite
But, yeah. They are coming up a lot more. Think it has to do with a newbrand. I'll dig.
I don't mind either, I just enjoy having the sound card there as a buffer between audio fuck ups.
That, and, fuck you it's more audio ports.
brisk badger
tbh i would rather have an external device rather than soundboard to amplify. Like a dj mixer (using it myself)
abstract kite
I just have a BlasterX AE-5 Plus.
brisk badger
so you can also attach other devices
abstract kite
Also, Synthesizer is mmmm
sick reef
There are DAC/AMP comboes available.
Yeah, because otherwise it'd be soundcards practically 
But you can get proper quality if you get the right provider.
Shiit is making a few proper audio accesories as well.
vapid crypt
Marketing
abstract kite
We are one step closer to a synthwave future.
fleet canopy
Hm.
abstract kite
Senko is loose.
fleet canopy
I am loose.
fleet canopy
Sorry :(
fleet canopy
Gigabyte G27QC review from Hardware Unboxed
Budget 1440p 165Hz
Hardware Unboxed guy now looks like a retired police offer dad
abstract kite
@jade ermine Defentialy flexing your PC ;)
vapid crypt
$300 is budget 
Well I suppose with that refresh rate it is
fleet canopy
Well for the fact it's a 300-330$ monitor with 1440p, 165Hz, VA, it seems fairly budget
Considering most monitors like that are about 350$+
vapid crypt
Tim looking like Donut Operator or something
fleet canopy
Yes
eternal cairn
police offer dad
😆
I can't wait for the new GPUs.
I'm hoping the rumors are true about the new Nvidia cards being more powerful than the Titan.
fleet canopy
I can't wait to run Cyberpunk 2077 on 10 FPS with my setup
eternal cairn
LOL What's your setup?
fleet canopy
2070 Super, 3700X, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz
It'll run 10FPS at best with the best DLSS
: )
eternal cairn
😅 I only have a 1070.
fleet canopy
lol damn
You'll pretty much skip about 2 generations of GPUs
Depends whether you consider the 2000 Super a generation or just a GPU that was just a small upgrade
fleet canopy
Yeah same. That was what the Super felt like
Like the 1660 Super was basically the 1660 but it was more of just a small boost in reality that made the 1660 Ti worthless
vapid crypt
The Super is about $30 cheaper while offering almost the same performance actually
eternal cairn
LOL
vapid crypt
Its like ~2%
fleet canopy
lel
vapid crypt
Basically what they did is they took the regular 1660 and gave it GDDR6 that was faster than the ti
fleet canopy
It's just not worth having a 1660 Ti anyways
vapid crypt
Despite having less shaders, the faster memory breaks even
jade ermine
@abstract kite No no, Not flexing pc 
eternal cairn
I wonder if a better GPU would help my renders go faster in After Effects. 🤔
fleet canopy
I mean, I guess it could be some part of using the CPU that after effects does well with I believe
eternal cairn
Eh, it does okay with the CPU... when it actually decides to use it.
fleet canopy
afaik from what I learned from using After Effects, you don't really need like that sort of power of a PC with After Effects unless there's just more to AE I haven't seen yet lmao
eternal cairn
With After Effects, it basically: renders one frame, takes a 5 second break, then renders the next frame.
At least when working with a 4k60 composition.
eternal cairn
What's weird is that the preview renders a lot faster after I scrub through it, but when it comes to actually rendering to an output file, it sucks.
fleet canopy
Like, I don't know too much of what people would use AE for, but the title of the search would indicate that it's mainly animation?
eternal cairn
And I'm not scrubbing to parts that are stored in memory either.
After Effects is mainly for VFX.
Though I use it for the audio spectrums.
earnest rose
So yeah, my 2070 def needed a driver update
I was able to search the event logs and figured that out
so, thx. hopefully that fixes the issue
fleet canopy
Cool
lilac geyser
what if the next generation isnt as good as last generation
fleet canopy
Leaks proved that it should be
eternal cairn
If it's not as good as last gen, then the future of PC gaming will be pretty disappointing.
fleet canopy
It should not be disappointing at all
Even with how the consoles are getting much better specs than before, it should greatly improve the dev's chance at having equal graphics for many games
eternal cairn
Yeah, it's honestly kind of strange how consoles always had a 2-3 GHz clocking difference from modern gaming PCs.
eternal cairn
Well, possibly that, and AMD still sucked at the time when it came to just about anything.
It's amazing how much they've improved over the years though.
vapid crypt
If Ampere turned out to be worse then Turing? I don't think that's possible
fleet canopy
Yeah not at all
vapid crypt
The 3090 would have to only be 30% faster than the 2080ti for that to be the case
That would be worse than Turing
fleet canopy
I believe Ampere should pretty much have much better game performance on non RT games and far better performance than previous gen on RT
vapid crypt
3080 has 70% more memory bandwidth than the 2080, that should tell you alone just how much faster this will be
vapid crypt
There's info of there being two SKUs, one with 10 and one with 20, same with the 3070 having two SKUs one with 8 and one with 16
Presumably the higher Vram cards are coming out later on as a response to Navi
fleet canopy
So I'm trying to find that benchmark, and so I go to "Compare Benchmark" or whatever
" An AMD Ryzen 3700X bottlenecks a 2070S: the 3700X costs 40% more money for 11% less performance. The lost performance is similar to downgrading from a 2070S to a 2060S. Publishing EFps data puts UserBenchmark in conflict with the marketing from billion dollar corporations, but it also helps our users to build faster PCs by dodging marketing traps. Users can verify EFps figures with Afterburner"
Ok it's kinda big but that's how their dumb descriptions are
"The 3300X is a 4-core Ryzen CPU. Priced at just $120 USD, it offers far better value to gamers than all the Ryzen CPUs before it. This is great news for potential buyers, and bad luck for gamers that recently spent nearly three times more on the 8-core 3700X. The reduction from eight to four cores results in more efficient caching and higher boost clocks. AMD’s marketing has abruptly broken from the firmly established “moar cores” mantra to a conveniently realistic: four cores are actually okay. Maybe they had an epiphany: “less coars”! Shifting goalposts this quickly reveals both an unhealthy focus on first time buyers and a brazen disregard for existing customers. Marketing aside, the 3300X remains constrained by high architectural latency and the associated gaming bottleneck (frame drops). Comparing an overclocked 3300X pegged at 4425 MHz to a stock Intel Core i3-10100 running at 4100 MHz shows that the i3-10100 delivers better gaming performance in four out of five games. The 10100 also includes an iGPU with QuickSync hardware encoding. Since additional cores make little difference to gamers, there are no significant upgrades beyond the 3300X in the Ryzen product stack. In order to achieve better gaming performance, it is necessary to upgrade to a higher tier Intel CPU. Aside from the mob of marketers that steamroll social media with anonymous accounts (reddit, forums, youtube etc.), users will be hard pressed to find arguments for actual use cases that favor the 3300X over the i3-10100. Gamers are bottlenecked by the Ryzen architecture and desktop users need integrated graphics."
If you wanted to get to see the card itself, which has almost no info ig, just type in "2206" on their search bar thing
eternal cairn
3700x is a bottleneck?
fleet canopy
Userbenchmark of course. Where else?
eternal cairn
Oh, that site sucks for reviews.
eternal cairn
Some components have no reviews at all on their site when there are 1000s on the internet.
fleet canopy
Video that Demonio linked had something about an unknown card being named "2206" in Userbenchmarks
You can actually search that up and find it but you'll get no info
coral sand
I'll be here enjoying my 3700x on b350
fleet canopy
I am sitting with a 3700X, 32GB RAM, and 2070 Super
And if I ever did their benchmark
eternal cairn
The day AMD introduces a 16c/32t 4.8 GHz CPU. 🤤
fleet canopy
It'd give me like 50% below a fucking 7700K I bet lol
Although tbf even the 7700K beats the 3700X in some games that really only needs a 4 core CPU like the 7700K
eternal cairn
To be fair, Intel probably beats AMD anywhere in single-core speed.
If we're looking at the latest specs.
fleet canopy
The 2206 GPU which has been confirmed by 2 people with it a 3080, is on 30%
I assume because they didn't officially get the GPU listed yet, or like it should be now, not a final build of the 3080
Or could be that something wasn't running 100% on the GPU so yeah
eternal cairn
Yeah, 30% seems pretty low.
fleet canopy
And yeah, Intel kind of always will beat AMD in single core gaming
eternal cairn
For now.
fleet canopy
But I would not be surprised if AMD would release a CPU that beats almost all of Intel's gaming benchmark, no matter what CPU I assume
eternal cairn
Until Intel's cards actually start catching on fire, even with the most effective cooling solution available.
I have a weird hunch that not the next generation, but the generation AFTER, AMD will truly beat Intel.
fleet canopy
The guy in video says that if his math would be correct (320bit bus x 19Gbps mem divided by 8000) would equal 760GB/s bandwidth
Again, don't know the highest bandwidth their previous series has
Being the 2000/Super
eternal cairn
Me neither.
But I guess it matters with which model you're actually comparing it to, not just generation.
fleet canopy
Ok so he says 2080 has 448GB/s mem bandwidth compared to 3080
eternal cairn
That's more like a 50% improvement.
fleet canopy
1.6964 times more
eternal cairn
Oh, now I'm no longer impressed.
eternal cairn
If they're just barely breaching past the specs of their most powerful card in the latest series (excluding Titan), that seems pretty minimalistic.
fleet canopy
If I just copied over the same results of 2080 compared to 3080
eternal cairn
Plus, there's still the 3070 and 3060.
fleet canopy
Also says that we could expect 45-55% more performance from 2080 to 3080
I guess it's not so surprising
But it's probably the higher end that counts more to higher performance
eternal cairn
I think I have a higher bar when it comes to next-gen specs.
fleet canopy
I'm not going to be surprised if 3070 doesn't go too far past or little under 2080 Ti
That higher bar is only really good for high end
But a 3070 pretty much being a 2080 Ti lol
eternal cairn
Same, but you know Nvidia's probably gonna add some feature that is exclusive to the 3000 series just to get people to buy them.
fleet canopy
Better RTX basically
eternal cairn
^
fleet canopy
And I think that feature is still kinda bullshit now
But even AMD's going with RT
So really it's just going to become the normal for latest
eternal cairn
It is pointless. The only thing is that it probably makes it easier for developers who don't want to work on reflections or anything else.
fleet canopy
The only possible benefit however would be that NVIDIA only runs DLSS iirc
eternal cairn
It's that push for more realistic graphics while still holding back on performance.
fleet canopy
Reflections can damn near fuck itself cause I don't have a game that does that yet not including pre ordered games Cyberpunk 2077
eternal cairn
It's literally a niche, but I hope that's what kills Nvidia in the end.
For ignoring their actual competition.
fleet canopy
Ah just kill the "haha we can't be beaten" ego and not the actual company?
eternal cairn
Why not both? 
fleet canopy
I'm pretty sure NVIDIA already has that on their radar and knows they're going to have to step up their game to overcome AMD for longer
eternal cairn
All they're doing is just barely one-upping AMD.
fleet canopy
If NVIDIA actually got obliterated, AMD's not gonna have a competitor except Intel who won't even do fucking GPUs for everyone until like the year 3000
vapid crypt
When the 80ti was less than $600
eternal cairn
Which 80TI? LOL
fleet canopy
1080 Ti MSRP was like 400$ yeah?
fleet canopy
Oh, still goood
But I dislike that they jumped it 500$ more
Ugh imagine the 3080 Ti with another 500$ jump
Like holy fuck everyone would still buy the 3080 instead 
Or 3070
eternal cairn
Well, price wars are gonna happen if cryptominers strike again, and seeing as how Bitcoin is resurging in profitability once more, I can see that being a possibility.
fleet canopy
Because it's a 2080 Ti at this point probably
vapid crypt
Eh Bitcoin itself can't be mined efficiently with GPUs anymore from what I understand
vapid crypt
But typically Bitcoin does effect all the other alt coins
eternal cairn
^
fleet canopy
I guess that's why Dogecoin has been improving a lot in their price lately
Not because meme haha
vapid crypt
Oh and by Price wars I meant AMD and Nvidia fighting to offer the best price/performance at all Tiers
fleet canopy
Ah yeah I was right first time
eternal cairn
Nvidia will always put price before performance.
Only because they're overconfident enough that their GPUs will sell.
vapid crypt
As of late sure, but they aren't entirely stupid
fleet canopy
Dogecoin came from like 0.0015-0.0016 around March all the way up to a goddamn 0.0045 in June-July, which is like 3-4 times the March amount
eternal cairn
I'm not saying that, but they always have some absurd premium on their GPUs.
vapid crypt
Its a matter of, as long as they're faster they can upcharge a premium; but not by much if AMD is close enough
eternal cairn
They'll still put a premium on it if it's enough to interest/convince people to go for the more niche features
And AMD needs to work on their GPU cooling. 🥵
vapid crypt
Not saying this is the case, there's a couple of rumored prices for the so called 3090 putting it in the region of $1750 -$2000; Say AMD comes within 10% of that card and charges $1200 for it. That's gonna turn some heads, to a point where they would absolutely instill a price drop
Its what they did with the 2060, well sort of
fleet canopy
Their Quadro and Titan always has a high ass premium
eternal cairn
3090 is gonna be given a different name and serve similarly to the Titan RTX.
fleet canopy
The 3090 is a dual GPU card
eternal cairn
It's so mythical, powerful, and expensive that it warrants a unique name.
fleet canopy
Not a Titan card
vapid crypt
Where has it said its a dual GPU?
fleet canopy
That's what I've been hearing about the 3090
eternal cairn
I mean that it's going to be like the Titan in terms of power and where it stands on the benchmark compared to other current GPUs.
vapid crypt
I've heard it isn't
fleet canopy
For the most part of previous 4 months ish?
vapid crypt
I know it would make sense
vapid crypt
Cause whenever they used 90 it was for a dual GPU card
fleet canopy
They're going to make a separate GPU not on RTX 3000, but for Titan apparently
eternal cairn
Oh, really?
vapid crypt
I dunno it might be true, I just don't see them pushing that kind of card anymore
fleet canopy
So the 3090 has to be a dual
eternal cairn
I wonder if there will be a Titan for the 3000 series.
fleet canopy
I mean, isn't a dual GPU good for like
@eternal cairn Yeah they're going to make one
vapid crypt
Its good for workstation stuff I suppose
brisk badger
For that price it should be a triple gpu card
eternal cairn
Is it?
vapid crypt
For games its basically 0
eternal cairn
I think video rendering can only use one card.
vapid crypt
Like devs aren't working on that
fleet canopy
It's going to be a dual GPU
eternal cairn
I think it's more for multi-tasking.
eternal cairn
Like using one GPU for rendering, and the other for playing games or doing other stuff.
vapid crypt
People buy dual card systems for flexing, and yeah I guess multi-tasking too
fleet canopy
I believe the 3090 is just going to be a better performer on workstation, but not as much VRAM as the Titan will get
Because the Titan has more than 11GB of VRAM which we all want but never will get from NVIDIA
lol
vapid crypt
The reason they do that is because 12GB is the baseline for 3D rendering, or so I've heard
eternal cairn
This is why I want AMD to take Nvidia down. It'll be the only way to force them to drop their prices on the Titan. 😆
vapid crypt
Its to prevent the Pros from buying cheap gaming cards instead of buying quadros
fleet canopy
Yeah but 14-16GB would be nice
Aren't games getting kinda needy for more than 11GB lately?
vapid crypt
I suppose its been enough time where they probably want more than 20GB for that kind of stuff though
Uh sure I would say 4k is looking like a tall order, at the same time with what we know about GDDR6X
eternal cairn
Eh, some, but that's if you decide to have super long distance rendering with ultra high settings.
And on 4k.
vapid crypt
That easily provides over 35% more bandwidth
8gb of GDDR6X has more bandwidth than what the 2080 ti uses
eternal cairn
If a game needs more than 20GB, then that's just shitty optimization.
fleet canopy
Oh?
eternal cairn
Unless you're gaming in 4k.
unique jungle
how to fix
fleet canopy
So bandwidth would make it less required to have more VRAM essentially?
"95% of the time, error code 43 means that a device driver is either missing, corrupt, outdated (so Windows problems communicating properly with the hardware), or the hardware is faulty and needs to be replaced."
eternal cairn
FeelsBadMan
fleet canopy
Maybe you need to install the GPU drivers again, see if that fixes it @unique jungle
unique jungle
how to do that? im new to pc
eternal cairn
Where did you get the drivers from?
vapid crypt
Uh so Windows will install drivers automatically
eternal cairn
Windows is crap for auto-installing drivers.
vapid crypt
I do not recommend updating to the latest drivers though, cause it always pulls some old drivers
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
So you want to use this program called DDU to uninstall whatever drivers might be there, ensure Windows isn't auto installing drivers
eternal cairn
I'd just get
vapid crypt
You can turn that off or just unplug internet access when you're doing it
fleet canopy
Click on the + of your specific Windows version and edition and click the the latest download for that GPU
unique jungle
ok
fleet canopy
And yes, use DDU first
vapid crypt
Just be sure to download the driver
And for DDU its recommended to uninstall in safe mode
fleet canopy
First, you uninstall with DDU https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3216
Do DDU in Safe Mode
vapid crypt
Download both, but do the uninstall process first. Read the forum post it guides you on what to do with it
unique jungle
alright
vapid crypt
Yeah we were talking about that yesterday
fleet canopy
Kinda stupid he says it's a "2080 Ti replacement" when there's mentions of a 3080 Ti
Ah
vapid crypt
Don't trust any price leaks, Jensen Huang can decide pricing 2 hours before any official announcement
fleet canopy
Yeah, but it is supposedly a dual GPU card after all
That is if I'm still correct about it being dual GPU
vapid crypt
Yeah I doubt dual GPU is happening, I think this is just more marketing. Making a new tier to jack up prices
fleet canopy
I guess
brisk badger
RIP
I am shocked but there is actually quite some people that overclock and just modify frequency and then trust the mobo with it's "AUTO" values
sick reef
Yeah, just have auto hit that CPU with 2V. It'll buff out
brisk badger
dense wasp
ouch wooza, haha
brisk badger
bring your own CPU if you want to come over for the BBQ party! (mine already dead 😦 )
also welcome back 👋
ulfsaar wdym? THat 1.6v is not possible in the bios?
abstract kite
Guys my order from Wish finally arrived!
abstract kite
Impressive, right?
timber lotus
yes