You can open "System Info"
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
merry bay
in other words. you didn't list any specs
abstract kite
Oh
fleet canopy
From there, you can find what your laptop contains
I mean, since you already have the game I assume, you could just try playing it
merry bay
absolute worst case scenario your laptop overheats and shuts down. Starting it again would be like nothing happened
fleet canopy
On system Information, use the search bar on the bottom to look for "Processor", "Display", and "Memory"
merry bay
but if you wouldn't be able to run it, it would crash before that happens
fleet canopy
The Processor and Memory is already seen on the first page, but it helps to direct it easily as it highlights the item
abstract kite
Yeah it has a i5 processor and 32 gigabytes of ram
abstract kite
Yeah
abstract kite
Uh I'll keep looking
fleet canopy
It's right on Processor
I'm honestly surprised the laptop has 32GB, and not 16GB since 16GB is pretty normal and common
abstract kite
I know but I cant even find that I'm not really tech savvy sorry
fleet canopy
You have the System Info open yeah?
abstract kite
No
merry bay
dual core though
abstract kite
Alright thanks for all the help
merry bay
It should be possible. If anything Steam allows to refund if under 2h playtime
Can just try it out and see how it goes
abstract kite
Yeah sounds good
fleet canopy
"uhhh"
Poor companies
Well it says in a reply by him "Videogame companies will not be affected" as sent 13 minutes ago @merry bay
It's only the TikTok and WeChat thing getting destroyed I believe
merry bay
Interesting. Wasn't expecting it to be so properly targeted.
leaves me wondering if it's really the final stride with all these tensions between China
abstract kite
Hmmm
fleet canopy
No
abstract kite
yes
fleet canopy
The link I posted restates that
They are only targeting Tiktok and the other shit one
abstract kite
Pics or it didnt happen
fleet canopy
I literally just linked it galerus omg lmao
abstract kite
#Fakenews
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Was literally right above what Hapcher said
abstract kite
I don't see anything
fleet canopy
Ok haha
fleet canopy
Are you sure?
fleet canopy
So it's not fake news then
abstract kite
But it isnt real news either
fleet canopy
How can you be sure of that
fleet canopy
Then tell me why it is
merry bay
Slasher has a good track record. Or at least corrects his mishaps
fleet canopy
Because it's only Tiktok/Wechat
fleet canopy
What the fuck
I am literally getting annoyed
I am not seeing why you think it isn't real
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Or whatever the fuck you believe
Because if there's something to it I don't see, I won't see it until I get it much clear and obvious
abstract kite
You are getting to upset over this.
fleet canopy
I am getting annoyed because you aren't giving me a clear answer
You've done this to me like 10 times before
vapid crypt
The only thing I know about Slasher is he's a simp, but whatever that doesn't matter 
fleet canopy
I heard Apple did quite a leak too
But they were pretty stupid and should have just been leaked later anyways
fleet canopy
Imagine getting this sort of stuff in games, it'd look pretty impressive as well as make it possible to mess around with that sort of stuff in a sandbox game if those ever do get this
sick reef
Slasher is kinda a simp but he's mostly right.
brisk badger
I dislike the word simp 😠
but this guy is in the news now constantly. Why is everyone telling him leaks?
merry bay
he's buddied up with a lot of relevant people in gaming, along with the rep of a leaker. At that point people go to him, but he does a lot of digging himself too
sick reef
He does more budding than digging, but he has important buddies.
One problem he had was when he had bias against his journalistic integrity, but it isn't any kind of common occurrence.
sick reef
It's accumulative gathering. It's primarily to get information and intelligence on Chinese residents outside of China. At least that part is what has been proven to have happened, where they catch and jail people critical of the government as they come back into the country.
abstract kite
Yeah. So it is good that they are banning those places.
"But it's fun"
Who cares if it is fun? xD
sick reef
Isn't fun if you're on the wrong end of the stick.
abstract kite
Exactly
sick reef
You gain more from being able to oppress your citizens beyond your own borders than you gain from doing adverts.
Tiktok very often can give you GPS locations, as well as a visual identification, and on top of that, a visual indication as of to where a person is, how they look, and what they are doing.
From the perspective of an intrusive speculant such as a government, you could identify if it is a person of interest, and after that keep track of them, and their habits.
Absolutely. To the extent where major political figures went out of their way to require their employees to not have the app installed, due to the security risk.
Like Joe Biden.
I do not believe that reasoning to be correct in this instance.
There is a difference between a possible security breach and a design flaw.
stoic tree
nah i just hate everyone 
vapid crypt
Microshaft can suck a fat one, I say this on my unactivated windows computer. You're welcome
late sorrel
lol yeah, some people are very much like that
“oh nooo tiktok is stealing my data!!”
like, literally as i type this i know my data is being sold somewhere
brisk badger
the problem is more that companies in china are obligated to report to the chinese government and basically allow them access to all information.
In the western world we have private companies which do not have to report to the government but there is the NSA who tries to use backdoors accessing them secretly. And ofc private companies selling data to other companies.
Both is bad but it's more worrisome to give more power to a nation that gives a damn about it's people and acts totally authoritative
vapid crypt
The NSA being devious thieves vs The CCP being authoritarian nutjobs that forces companies to give them info. 
brisk badger
I find it interesting (and smart) that the NSA stores all data that is encrypted and yet impossible to crack for the future till there is powerful enough (quantum)supercomputers which can decrypt the files.
I don't think they put much effort in cracking encrypted files now (if it was a strong encryption),but just store it all and prepare for the day.
late sorrel
dear god that scares me
brisk badger
i may have worded it wrong; not all data (like ours 😋 , or maybe ? 😟 ) but data in regards to cases they follow and have obtained the files already
vapid crypt
I don't know how encryption works necessarily, but couldn't it be made more effective as computers become better?
brisk badger
going to be an interesting time when the current modern encryptions will be able to crack. it's gonna at one point and the NSA will be one of the first having the technology
yes but lets say the NSA got our chatlog from our illegal 🦶 selling business. This chatlog was encrypted with some modern (today) encryption but when we find better encryptions to use this chatlog which they saved will not have this new encryption but uses the old (from today)
i assume when the day comes the public finds out about the cryptology we used is no longer secure, we will find a replacement, but all data that was encrypted before needs to be changed somehow and if somehow got a copy or a snippet of the file he can then crack it 'easily'
today it's common to use AES-256 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard ) As encryption, there is also others. Many have been successfully exploited and are no longer in use ofc
earnest rose
wtf is going on here
abstract kite
Oh god it's Nek0w0
stark plover
newegg why
old patrol
bruh
vapid crypt
Its gotta be big huh
stark plover
what are you buying
@late sorrel
Its gotta be big huh
@vapid crypt 2 120mm fans
late sorrel
LMFAOOO
vapid crypt
The fuck? Are you importing?
late sorrel
my man getting an uber air for his fans
mossy pelican
I'll deliver tomorrow for $900.00 if your looking a deal
stark plover
I check the page to see and it's now only being sold from a 3rd party
When eariler it was from newegg
so idk anymore kek
vapid crypt
It must be shipping from Hong Kong or something if it has those prices 
fallow goblet
No but lemme see it maybe i can help a bit
abstract kite
Im attempting to install windows. The motherboard isnt seeing the drive as a bootable device. Tried booting through other pc. Booted through drive just fine
fallow goblet
Well you can write your drive without rufus as well
If you choose the usb option when downloading windows onto your drive it will set your boot settings for you
At least, i didn’t have to use rufus
Btw @abstract kite what are your specs? Just curious
fleet canopy
Ok
fallow goblet
Lol
fleet canopy
Haha
fleet canopy
lmao
abstract kite
Computers are wierd dog
fleet canopy
"Remember to give your motherboard a kiss before booting up!"
fallow goblet
Nice just needed a bit of love
fleet canopy
What.
abstract kite
I was trying to get that read the bootable in the drive for 6 hours
fleet canopy
Didn't work, did it?
abstract kite
I then asked it nicely and it just works
abstract kite
Im both happy and angry
fallow goblet
Yea BIOS is the worst part of building in my opinion
fleet canopy
^
They say "Oh, it's real easy"
Bro I still don't know how the fuck I install an OS, even though I did it once or something
fallow goblet
I get it now but like it sucked when i first built my pc
I got my first pc like 3 weeks ago too
fallow goblet
Yea
fleet canopy
I still have to overclock my RAM
fallow goblet
Hmm,
Thats not very gpod
I had an XMP setting on mine to get to 3600 mhz i think it was
fallow goblet
Yea i wouldnt, unless you have a water cooler
fleet canopy
How the fuck does my PC have a 4 day uptime when the power was fucking out and I shut the PSU off just yesterday
fleet canopy
I'm probably stupid for getting 32GB
But it was like 100-110$ dude
Totally worth it
They usually go 130-160$
fallow goblet
I got 32
Just cuz i have a 2070 super and i wanted to be able to keep for a long time
fleet canopy
600$ for a 3700X, 2x16GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS16, fucking 2070 Super why the fuck does everyone have or want to upgrade to a 2070 super
fallow goblet
I didnt have a ryzen build
fleet canopy
Literally 100% of the people with the fucking 1060 I've seen got a 2070 Super why is it that everyone got from 1060 to 2070 super
Just why
fallow goblet
Well that was my first pc, with a 2070 super so, idk maybe i will upgrade to amd if it feels right
I went intel just because i knew what i was getting into
And some of the AMD reviews scared me
fleet canopy
I mean, AMD's new Zen 3 is gonna be focused on gaming performance while def keeping the rest other performance
AMD reviews?
fallow goblet
Yea people had problems with their cpus
fleet canopy
Even people got problems with Intel
fallow goblet
No like after 1 week the cpu stopped
fleet canopy
Just a word of advice; fuck most of the user reviews
fallow goblet
Yea but i just wanted to be safe for my first pc
Most of them are like actual critics its wierd
fleet canopy
Listen to the actual tech reviewers on YouTube, they'll say it's bad or good pretty much
And if the reviews got the product to like
fleet canopy
below 4 stars or whatever, like 2 or 1, def bad
fleet canopy
3 is too, depending you know it's good
fallow goblet
yea really its just the specs you want i feel like
fallow goblet
I have good specs id say
merry bay
as a program and tab hoarder I'm so happy with 32GB. System doesn't get sluggish without resets anymore 
fallow goblet
Lol i shut down everything before i load up a game
fleet canopy
Even if the gaming performance wasn't too different, it def helped let it run smoothly for way longer than what the 7700K used to
fallow goblet
Just cuz i used to have a laptop with 8 GB of ram so
fleet canopy
Laptops are cool if the specs are alright and not overpriced lel
fallow goblet
Like an acer aspire
fleet canopy
That's totally a gamer laptop
What Acer Aspire?
I have to look into getting a laptop soon
At least I know I can just be like "Fuck MSI lol"
Even though I have an MSI motherboard but that's not the main thing here, it's completely fine lel
vapid crypt
Shit I'll buy their motherboards, but after hearing about how they fill their laptops with bloatware fuck half the product lines
Their marketing team are such babies though, seriously 
fleet canopy
lol have you seen GamersNexus' recent video on MSI?
They try to take down reviewer's review that shows bad stuff, which is by a small amount compared to so many good sides they took input in
Apparently 1 little teeny bad for MSI product = MSI will want review gone
fallow goblet
@abstract kite tuf gaming isnt bad
At least I considered buying their asus tuf gaming motherboard
But it got sold out
No i think a 2060 will last longer in the long run
But as of right now yea i think your right
Yea
fleet canopy
lol
I got the TUF, they were sold out
So I ordered another board priced 250, MSRP 150
fallow goblet
Yea batteries are a big issue with laptops too
fallow goblet
Cuz they die out really fast
fallow goblet
Nah i think the battery was the issue for me
fallow goblet
Yea
fleet canopy
I hate that the laptops are so fucking overpriced
That I barely would ever consider getting one of them
fallow goblet
1660 will probably run into 2030 i think
fallow goblet
Well for minimums games need like a gtx 990
So im thinking at 1660 will either run for like 5-7 years because i just dont see games getting that demanding
Maybe 10s a little stretch
Yea
The 1660 should be pretty good until at least 2035
2025*
Yea
Im one of those guys, couldnt take running minecraft with 30 fps
Now i run siege at 165 with a cold pc
I love it
Lmao
fleet canopy
Playing Payday 2 on 10-15FPS
^ 10238285290% better than your nasa ass 3090 and 5990X whatever
fleet canopy
lol I don't think so
3090 is dual GPU apparently, 2 in 1
So I don't think it'd have been fun
abstract kite
2 in 1? @fleet canopy
abstract kite
So their sending us two gpus to dual channel?
fallow goblet
I mean it wouldnt be too bad would it?
fleet canopy
I wouldn't recommend it because if it's gaming, it's much better off going for single card GPU
abstract kite
Ah
fallow goblet
Yea i guess
fleet canopy
But I'd never ever recommend dual GPU cards for gaming
fallow goblet
Yea
fleet canopy
workstation, like possible for Blender, sure
fallow goblet
I didny know it was 2 cards
fleet canopy
I think they'll have it kept up
So all the xx90 from them will be dual GPUs until then
From what I'd expect myself
abstract kite
Wouldn't you need a more beefy processor for things like blender over a Graphics Card?
fleet canopy
I mean, sure?
Not sure how blender works too much
Just know that having a good CPU with good GPU helps for it
abstract kite
Rendering in general
fallow goblet
Yea yea thats what i meant
fleet canopy
That was the best render combo apparently
outer sierra
blender is cpu heavy
unless you're using an external renderer like octane
eevee does leverage (multi) gpu, but its not able to leverage it too well due to driver limitations iirc
multigpu has been cucked ever since nvlink was a thing, the only time it's really used is in compute
fleet canopy
Imagine having more than 1 GPU
fleet canopy
True
outer sierra
funny thing, if you try and push secureboot keys the wrong way it can brick the gpu stub in bios
meaning your motherboard won't be able to display out of your gpu
jade ermine
i have owned one dual gpu card and im not doing that again.
6990 bby
fleet canopy
lol
abstract kite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npGL2-pRXlU Would you guys say this say this is a pretty good build tutorial? I think it is pretty solid.
abstract kite
they went ram installtion then back to CPU installtion
@abstract kite My RAM needs to be installed before the CPU Cooler
The DRP4 is a big brick of a tower
fallow goblet
@abstract kite same i have ddr4 and i also got the dark rock 4 pro air cooler which has the biggest heat sink i have ever seen
Hmm i think the heat sink is bigger in the dark rock but damn tha fans on that thing!
I would need to dee it in person to judge it really
lilac geyser
6990 what a hulk
unreal trout
i was thinking to buy a i-8700 cpu , ssd 2tb , geforce gtx 2080 , 32 ram but is it really worth the money i use it for gaming
fallow goblet
I think the 2080 isnt great for the money the 2070 super is like the same preformancewise for less money
And idk what cpu that is but i got the i79900k 8 core and its been a beast
I think 32 ram is good
fallow goblet
I like the dark rock 4 pro for air cooling
But its also very big
And kinda annoying to install
Is this your first build? Or an upgrade?
unreal trout
first
fallow goblet
Yea but with a 2080ti and an i9 i was looking at a 3000 price tag
With the 2070 super i dropped like 800 dollars, so i bought a really noce 1080p monitor
Mind you that 3000 price tag was without a monitor keyboard, mouse or headset
So it was just my specs to build my pc
You also dont have to go intel, you can get AMD and go for a ryzen build
They are usually cheaper and better for budgets,
Most gamers make ryzen builds just because that they are cheaper
vapid crypt
Don't buy any graphics cards yet, new stuff is here next month apparently
fallow goblet
Yea but even then its going to be stupid expensive for a first build
The 2080ti is still 1200 dollars
vapid crypt
Sure, but the point is the new cards should bring the old stock down. Well at least I think so, they've already stopped production on all the nvidia cards so
And it looks like we'll be seeing the whole stack down to 3060 by November
At least going by what's been said
Speaking of which, video talking about such info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXeq2_P_O50
Looks like Nvidia's Ampere they won't be sandbagging anymore
jade ermine
Friend came over to show off his new build. Im impressed that this case fits 2080S Gaming X Trio
Silverstone RVZ03 Raven
38CM tall, around 10CM thicc
fallow goblet
Eee i just dont like how skinny it is, is it meant to be portable?
If it is then thats really cool
jade ermine
Yea he had it in his backpack :D
He needed small case so that one did the trick
dusty pumice
@jade ermine Looks like an extra powerful xbox
jade ermine
hehe
haughty dune
Ay so I've been trying everything i could find but my pc wont let mr factory reset. Always comes up with "There was a problem resetting your PC"
Windows 10
ripe meadow
restive garnet
I absolutely love those raven cases, fantastic case, particularly for the price point.
Only issue is that for whatever reason they still use full sized atx power supplies, so i cant just throw in my spare sf600 thats been sitting under my bed untouched since i bought it like 3 years ago
You can still fit sfx psus in with an adapter, i just hate the idea of it
fleet canopy
I wouldn't go for a previous gen CPU @unreal trout if I were you
I'd get a ryzen 3600/3700X(T) or a i7-9700K/10600K
Now unless you can wait for about 1-2 months, there are new AMD CPUs coming and new GPUs that have far better performance than the current gen CPU/GPU we have
abstract kite
I'd get a ryzen 3600/3700X(T) or a i7-9700K/10600K
@fleet canopy see it in https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4072vs4040
fleet canopy
Let me tell you something
Fuck that fucking intel sided ass lying bitch of a site
They lie so much about performance because they are so fucking Intel sided
They are the biggest fucking scum and if you want proof, go to r/AMD
They have posts about how bad that site literally is
They are paid by Intel to give fake benchmarks
What?
abstract kite
that's the first time I've heard anything about it.
fleet canopy
Well they're just a horrible site
fleet canopy
You're comparing it with a 9700K versus a R5 3600, which the 9700K does do better for their performance in gaming
vapid crypt
So userbenchmark weighs Single core and 4 core performance the highest compared to higher core count performance
Its why i3s are ranked higher than a 3950x, its nonsense tbh
At least last I recall when they made that change that was the case
It was a change they made last year post Zen 2 release
There are certain games that favor the tigher memory latency that intel cpus have, that's really where the gap lays. In most things, its closer to maybe 5% when there's a CPU bottleneck, anything higher than 1080p is basically out the window then
abstract kite
Data is data, I think, if the userbenchmarks are lying, versus .com or cpu-monkey.com will not draw exactly the same conclusions.
On the contrary, without evidence, which the comments indicate, they are still rumors, and there is no evidence to prove it. Therefore, it seems to me that these reviews from different sources are more valid than the anonymous comments from supposed users who know about a theoretical market manipulation.
vapid crypt
Cpu monkey uses benchmarks from pretty well known programs like blender and cinebench, userbenchmark its an exe that they made. Its a do nothing benchmark pretty much, there's not much you can compare their numbers to. Its literally an arbitrary ranking system based on what they value more. Not to say they specifically favor any one brand over the other, but I wouldn't base any kind of decision using userbenchmark. That's what I personally believe.
At best you get an idea where your hardware stacks compared to other users
That's probably the only decent thing about their site I would say
fathom scaffold
I just built this computer a few hours ago and I am having really bad frame issues when starting up the games
Nvm, figured it out!
My bad!
vapid crypt
Oh what was it?
fathom scaffold
Nvm, GeForce won’t figure out if my computer has a graphics card in it (it does) and it makes my games really framey
mossy pelican
Now I don't mean to sound rude but it happens to the best of us. Is your HDMI plugged into the graphics card and not the motherboard
Oh you figured it out nvm
fathom scaffold
Its in my graphics
GeForce doesn’t show it in my drivers
I have an i5 9600k
And it keeps using that
fleet canopy
Possibly you did put the display cable in wrong one? kek
Because it should 100% detect it
Unless it's an AMD card
Because you should be using AMD's GPU software if you ordered one of AMD's GPUs
fathom scaffold
Fuck
I plugged it into the graphics card but now my monitor won’t turn on
Legit lost as fuck
If this has been the main issue I’m gonna be sad
fleet canopy
Do you have all the cables plugged in GPU?
fleet canopy
I was specifying for the cables in the PC, not on that part of the GPU
Like cables from PSU to GPU, cable from GPU to motherboard
Or actually, just PSU to GPU
fathom scaffold
Yes, everything is in the right spot
fleet canopy
Maybe it doesn't have drivers? That'd be a very low possibility, but it could happen I guess
abstract kite
Can you run your monitor off your onboard card?
If so, check the BIOS, see if the port even registers.
Sometimes they need to be activated @MSIMotherboards
You can also; handy trick. Download drivers on your phone and slap them into your computer from a USB if you really gotta.
sick reef
Are you sure you're using a 19-pin cable?
fathom scaffold
I’m lost
vapid crypt
19 pin cable?
sick reef
Yeah.
On some motherboards, with some screens, having a 20-pin cable will make your monitor not render.
Likely a safety feature.
Or just software malfunction for data connection and interpretation.
But do make sure the other stuff is fixed first.
vapid crypt
Oh you know what I misunderstood what you meant by 19 pin cable, I was thinking of the power cables that go in the motherboard and stuff
sick reef
Yeah. I mean either HDMI or DP.
Either or needs to be 19-pin, or have the 20:th pin taped.
silk meadow
take picture of inside your case!
fathom scaffold
fleet canopy
So either the light is so bright
The big cable is blocking view
Or you never plugged in your GPU yet
fathom scaffold
fleet canopy
O ok
fathom scaffold
I need someone to help me in a call, I just wanna play GTFO
Idk how—
I can load into windows and stuff but the game is super choppy
Geforce
My hdmi is what we are talking about?
I’m sorry, I’m really tired. From what I know, everything works, but whenever I go into Device Manager and see what is being used for graphics it says ‘Microsoft Basic Display Adapter’
It ask if I want to check if my drivers are digitally signed
Do I pick yes?
Windows 10
I had to use a disc
There wasn’t a digital copy
I guess not
Ohhh, were you suggesting a USB download of NVIDIA drivers?
But I presume that’ll cost money?
silk meadow
you can manual download the video drive you need
muted relic
PS4 >
fathom scaffold
I’m sorry mate, I’ve got a massive headache, been trying to work on this nonstop for 7 hours or so.
I’ve already screenshot your previous instructions, I’ll be doing it once I am feeling better.
I apologize for not being responsive, I really do appreciate your help. It means a lot.
stark plover
fathom scaffold
jade ermine
https://twitter.com/nvidiageforce/status/1292808003897311232?s=21 So 21 days for the good stuff boys!
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
It won't be after this generation I hope
jade ermine
who knows
i dont have high hopes for rdna2 so im confident prices will be pretty dank now. rdna3 might be good so hopefully there is competition then
vapid crypt
Even Nvidia representatives have said ray tracing wouldn't be ubiquitous until about 2023
And no doubt the competition will be decent this time around
vapid crypt
Sell it before the new stuff is announced tbh
While it still holds its current value
thin kelp
i have an rtx 2070 super
lilac geyser
unlucky: maybe im dumb, but how did you get 21 days from that?
vapid crypt
Apparently, Geforce launched on August 31 1999
So its the 21 year anniversary when they're doing this
fleet canopy
"21 days, 21 years"
Guess we'll have to wait 21 days and 21 years to get the RTX 3000
jade ermine
@abstract kite Well i did have Radeon 380X 4GB but sold it to buy other stuff 😄 Gotta yoink something cheap someday
@lilac geyser
lilac geyser
oh so there's more to it than the tweet
abstract kite
Have AMD announced their new GPU's?
lilac geyser
ive owned 4 graphics cards if i can remember correctly
none of them have been nvidia
abstract kite
When I got my first good card, the 5700xt it was a struggle.
fleet canopy
I mean, any card is good as long as it's significantly better than your previous
abstract kite
Well, yes. But what I was getting at was the Driver issues it was having.
coral sand
Yeah, has there been a good release from amd over the past 5 years
fleet canopy
The 5700XT
coral sand
Driver issues up the arse
fleet canopy
It has good performance, competing against a mid-range ish GPU
I mean, yeah
It sucked
But it was cheaper than the competitor
coral sand
Still
fleet canopy
That was like how long?
coral sand
Last year I think
fleet canopy
I mean for drivers to fully fix itself
coral sand
I don't hear much anymore
abstract kite
There are a few blips here and there regarding drivers, but the get snuffed out by AMD.
fleet canopy
It would have been a pretty shit buy back then if you didn't mind putting in 100$ more
But now it's not bad at all
lilac geyser
amd drivers have been considered bad even gonig back to the ati days
abstract kite
I am still looking at what GPU my friend should get. It's the last thing on the list of about 5 other items.
fleet canopy
Just hoping AMD makes it really well off with their CPUs and GPUs
fleet canopy
Ye
fleet canopy
For just GPUs?
coral sand
Yeah
abstract kite
Intel is to overpriced and Nvidia is as well. Don't get me wrong, Nvidia releases some nice cards, but not for $1,000 for new releases.
coral sand
I mean, Ray Tracing/ DLSS is a nice tie breaker
lilac geyser
more agressive nvidia marketing
their overagressive marketing is the main reason i have avoided them
abstract kite
AMD is price checking them though.
fleet canopy
Their marketing is dumb I guess, haha
But the performance at least delivers, some side with ray tracing plus better drivers
abstract kite
Can't really say Ray Tracing when next Gen AMD is going to have it.
abstract kite
Ah
fleet canopy
Was still talking about the 5700XT vs 2070 Super thing
abstract kite
Ohh
vapid crypt
Coreteks did a pretty good video that talked about how effective Nvidia's mindshare through marketing is
fathom scaffold
@fleet canopy
Ended up needing to get a hard reset on my computer, hopefully Geek Squad can figure out this stuff quick.
fleet canopy
The Geek Squad
restive garnet
If anyone wants a laugh, watch this and look at the radiator configuration
I swear, noone at thermaltake understands how any of the stuff they make works
For anyone to lazy, they are running the radiator in a push/push setup
The fans on both sides of the radiator are blowing at eachother
Easy way to wreck two fans and achieve literally nothing in the process
It was definitely done for aesthetic reasons, but i don't know if that was a conscious decision or not
restive garnet
I mean, i like to think thermaltake are a bunch of cooked cunts who don't know what they are doing
But i'd also like to think that even they aren't that bad
They do have a few internal showcase builders who know their stuff
Typo
On my tablet, keypad is a bit painful at times
Im guessing so
If you can put together a rig like that, i doubt that you would make such a mistake
Probably was just a stupid PR decision
Building PCs isn't exactly hard, but that is still something i would happily have as a showroom piece
Except professional pride would make me fix those damned fans lol
Without a doubt
I personally hate EVGA stock psu cables
They are definitely functional
But they just look ugly no matter what
EVGA are just a mess of plastic covered wires, which all get wrapped in a mesh sleeve just before the connectors
The sleeve makes cable management easy
But the connectors look hideous
Evga are a fantastic brand imo
Their high end rivals the best of the best, plus their warranties are longer and better than pretty much everyone
Shame AMD don't do much for AMD gpus ;)
I think they chase the market share
With ryzen in its current state, i dont think it'll be long before we starting seeing amd mobos from them
restive garnet
As far as gpus are concerned, might be a while
I honestly don't know
Amd are talking it up, but i don't really believe them
They've been talking themselves up for the last few years without really delivering
So i'll take anything they say with a grain of salt
End of the day, time will tell tho
Could be that this time next year, i'm eating my words
Interesting looking at asus, with their higher end lines using custom PCBs, they can reuse the same coolers and backplates across multiple cards, on both amd and nvidia
Blew my mind a little bit finding out that the cooler on my 1080ti was identical to the cooler on my rx580
jade ermine
MSI did the same with Armor coolers
jade ermine
They had these armor cards and they used the same cooler on many different GPU's
you can see how the cooler is too small to cover pcb too
restive garnet
Seems like a generic cooler if i've ever seen one
I'm assuming thats a reference PCB tho
jade ermine
probably yeah
restive garnet
I'm guessing EVGA doesn't think it's worth the time or money to do something similar
gloomy harness
Hello guys
jade ermine
hello
restive garnet
Hello there
fleet canopy
Hello.
gloomy harness
I want tobknow if its possible to build a pc for at least around 1000$ or less (or slightly above if needed) that could run most games pretty well/decently
jade ermine
Easily
gloomy harness
Atm I use a craptop and its almost dying.
restive garnet
I'm assuming USD?
gloomy harness
Yeah USD
gloomy harness
Lol np
restive garnet
Following apples train of thought
Strictly the computer itself it would be entirely possible
jade ermine
Generic 1080p 144hz monitors are rather cheap. Leaves around 850 for the desktop itself.
3300X/3600 + 1660S or similar GPU and you're golden
restive garnet
Once you start adding mouse/keyboard/headset and monitor, the price would nearly double
gloomy harness
I got a keyboard and mouse already
jade ermine
you can cut corners heavily with peripherals ;)
gloomy harness
My laptopnkeys broke xD
restive garnet
Unless you settled for the generic basic stuff
restive garnet
Personally, i like to treat myself
restive garnet
Not exactly an audiophile, but i appreciate good audio
jade ermine
@restive garnet Man of culture
restive garnet
You should see the market for 1080tis in new zealand
You can get full retail price for a used strix card
gloomy harness
Aye don't forget the shock wristband (jk)
restive garnet
At the price range you are looking at, its probably possible to do a 1080p 60+ fps build
Including monitor
gloomy harness
So which exact parts should I get?
restive garnet
Hard to say, as i said, i'm a kiwi, and our range and prices vary greatly from the US
gloomy harness
I'll have to buy a monitor. I don't have an extra tv atm
Should I buy msi brand stuff?
abstract kite
Twizzles>
restive garnet
Personally, i'm not a fan of msi
restive garnet
But i can still recommend some of their products
Though generally a bit pricier
I would happily point out gigabyte
They make some incredible value oriented products
restive garnet
I wouldn't use them myself, because i'm an asus man through and through
But i'd happily recommend them
As far as a rough generic build goes
Probably go with an amd b450 mobo from gigabyte or msi
Ryzen 3400/3500
8 gigs of whatever ram you can get a decent deal on around 3200mhz
I hear g.skill ripjaws V is pretty cheap atm, and i can wholeheartedly recommend them as a brand
jade ermine
Something like 5500XT, 3600, 16GB, 500GB ssd, seasonic 550W - 650W psu, typical AM4 b450/b550 mobo and budget case would be well rounded build for 1080p.
should be well under 1k USD
restive garnet
^
fleet canopy
You could also get an i3 10400
Basically a 3600 but cheaper
And without XMP support iirc
Shut
I like AMD too
But Intel has good offerings if you look
Like the 10400
jade ermine
Not sure how your income is but AM4 has insane upgrade paths for the future.
restive garnet
I can agree with the above build in spirit
But i'm not familiar with pricing
As i said, our pricing is stupid
jade ermine
GPU's are kinda whatever with that budget. You might be able to get 1660S/5600XT tier card if you cut corners heavily (dynamite tier PSU, Poor motherboard etc) but i dont recommend that
fleet canopy
I remembered the 10400 isn't too good. You're paying for little more pricy mobo, a CPU cooler
gloomy harness
I'll check all that stuff out rn. Thank you for the help
fleet canopy
Because fuck using their stock
restive garnet
Generally at least 50% more expensive than it should be, taking into account conversion
I mean, i go through cases as much as anything
They give a build the most character
jade ermine
I want new case but i dont need new case. Gotta save up for september you knoow
restive garnet
So i find myself buying a new case fairly often
fleet canopy
I do need a new case now I'm reminded of it
restive garnet
My current case is a behemoth
fleet canopy
And a CPU cooler 
jade ermine
i got my corsair 570X end of 2017 and im so done with it now
fleet canopy
I was thinking about picking up the new uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Shadow Rock 3
Not too new
But seemed a good cooler
jade ermine
If the new cards are much lengthier than last gen i have to swap my case out 
restive garnet
The next cases on my shopping list is a silverstone raven rvz03, and a cooler master haf xb evo
jade ermine
@abstract kite Did i show you how much space there is left for GPU? :D
jade ermine
So i got around 1mm of play there
restive garnet
Been there
jade ermine
Fits like a glove!
jade ermine
1mm gang
restive garnet
I can do a lot with 1mm
I was, lmao
The radiator was literally a pain in my ass
Couldnt put the radiator in while my gpu was in, or vice versa
jade ermine
Im going for enthoo 719 most likely if next upgrade ends up being too much hell to fit
but feeling confident now
restive garnet
I had to put the rad in on an angle, and then put my gpu in, then slide the rad in from below
I ended up getting rid of that case coz the airflow ended up being shit
Didnt help that it had a front grill, dust filter, another grill, and then a radiator to try get air through
And on top of that, it was blasting my gpu with hot air from my cpu
Ended up with my gpu thermal throttling at like 97c
jade ermine
daym
restive garnet
So i moved it to a new case, and with the 3 front panel fans disconnected, and 3 fans on the bottom and back running at like 600 rpm, it dropped to about 70c under load
My old case was kinda cool, but fuck me it was a terrible decision
jade ermine
heh
Im definitely going for a big boy next time around
nothing is more annoying than running out of space
so much work to slap all the components in new one
and so much planning
restive garnet
Can confirm, big cases are a lot of fun
My 680x has a 3 3.5 inch bays and 5 2.5 inch bays, and you dont even see any of them
Plus having room for a 280mm rad top and bottom
Could be a bit longer though, has the same 350mm clearance as my old case
jade ermine
I have always been a huge fan of cosmos cases from cooler master
jade ermine
drooled on way back in the day and i still like the new ones
restive garnet
And when they released the c700m
jade ermine
cosmos 2 was so hot
there was actually one guy here giving cosmos 2 away but he lived too far away
would have been 2.5hr drive
jade ermine
469,90 € is the lowest price i can find one here brand new
restive garnet
800 over here
jade ermine
restive garnet
My 680 cost me 430
And that included 3 ll120 fans
Which go for like 60 bucks each
jade ermine
what currency
restive garnet
Nzd
jade ermine
i see
jade ermine
0,56 euros = 1 nzd
fleet canopy
Dang
restive garnet
Msrp converted should be like 1800
jade ermine
yea it eez what it eez
restive garnet
So theres an extra 700 bucks in there from import fees
jade ermine
999 USD MSRP: Ended up being around 1300 euros here
gloomy harness
I forgot to ask one important question
jade ermine
go ahead
restive garnet
Shoot
gloomy harness
I'm unable to use ethernet net cables so which wifi adapter should I get? One built in a card or one tbat connects to the pc that is kind of lkke a small brick adapter
restive garnet
You can get a wifi adapter on your mobo
jade ermine
You should aim for motherboard that has built in wifi if thats what you are going to use
restive garnet
Otherwise, you can pick up a cheap pcie adapter card
gloomy harness
Alright thank you
restive garnet
The adapter card will probably be faster, but the built in is easier
Depends what sort of speed you need i suppose
Asus sell some cheap, decent pcie adapters if thats the way you decide to go
restive garnet
@gloomy harness i mocked up a build in about 5 minutes flat, definitely not the most efficient spending, but everything in it is rock solid and it comes out to about 1000 usd, excluding monitor
I went a little bit more expensive on the power supply, because it will be something you reuse between builds
If you wanted to shave off a few extra dollars, you could replace the mobo, and drop the ssd and hdd to 256gb and 1tb respectively
Though i did forget the wifi requirement, but getting an adapter is less than 30 bucks more
eternal cairn
256 GB SSD is what I was hoping to upgrade to.
Until I got a 1 TB SSD from someone for free. 😄
restive garnet
Ssds are way to expensive for me to consider for bulk storage
So i settled on a single mid sized ssd
eternal cairn
If you have massive programs, a massive list of programs, or both, that could benefit from it, it's worth it.
restive garnet
Unfortunately, 6tb+ ssds are expensive ;)
jade ermine
My SSD's. C drive is 960 pro from samsung and its been kicking well. Only 256gb.
restive garnet
My C is a 512gb 970 pro
gloomy harness
@restive garnet thank you very much \o/
eternal cairn
"970 EVO Plus" is what it says on the box.
restive garnet
No worries void, always happy to help
eternal cairn
I wish I could figure out the cause of my latency.
jade ermine
then find monitor for negative 200 dollars
eternal cairn
AOC 24G2.
restive garnet
I wouldnt say optimized
You made a few good changes
And a few bad ones
Plus you blew out the original budget by nearly a hundred bucks
vapid crypt
Not at all its only 20 higher compared to the other list
restive garnet
How is 1077 20 more than 995 lmao
restive garnet
Point taken
In any case, it was a mock list with a large amount of room for improvement
vapid crypt
Sure, could probably shave off some money here and there with that I replaced. I think the newer chipset and cpu is preferable at leas
restive garnet
I did consider a lot of the changes you made, but ultimately deicded against it as a dollar/performance trade
Like the cpu
It was like an extra 40 bucks for a marginal increase in clock speeds and ipc
Sort of an easy area to save a few bucks without a huge performance hit
And b550 was a few bucks extra for a few features that wouldnt really be of use on a budget system
I did also consider the ripjaws ram as well, but that was another area of a few extra bucks for a marginal performance increase
vapid crypt
Maybe, like I have a 2600 and obviously if I were to get a 3600 it wouldn't change much at all, but the higher cache, ipc and memory speed support will be notable with a faster gpu. Though I guess to be fair something like a 2060 or a 5600XT/5700 is probably where the limit would stand for a 2600 at 1080p
restive garnet
More or less, yeah
The sabrent rocket was an interesting choice tho
Not terribly familiar with sabrent, beyond recent things in the media
vapid crypt
Its close enough to Samsung while saving a little that's pretty much what I know about it
restive garnet
Fair call
I tried to base it heavily around brands and products i know and trust
So the 970 was a no brainer to me
Think ive figured out the price discrepancy as well
Or at least, most of it
On my list the 2060 is from b and h, not amazon
Price difference is like 60 bucks
Still dont know why
vapid crypt
Yeah the price was weird cause I know 5700XTs that are priced there, then I saw there were 2060s that are easily 229 or less
329*
restive garnet
If i was spending 380 on a graphics card, itd probs be a bit better than a 2060 lmao
Cases are also an area where i have a harder time choosing
So i cant say im surprised you changed that
I just picked a cheap, reputable case that ticks all the boxes
Only other real note that i have, is your power supply choice
And mostly that just comes down to familiarity, or lack thereof
Cant say ive seen much about cooler master power supplies, but im assuming its just another rebranded seasonic
vapid crypt
Can't say I know if it is
I know some of the Atec power supplies, XFX and what not are just rebranded Focus units
fleet canopy
I find Ripjaws to be the cheaper part of RAM for USD
restive garnet
The asus thor power supplies are just rebranded seasonic with extra heat syncs
fleet canopy
And it’s good. They should come with a b die, they’re not so expensive compared to the rest of the other RAM in the market
restive garnet
Ripjaws V is good stuff
vapid crypt
From what I can find they are not rebranded Seasonic units
restive garnet
But that vengeance lpx is pretty respectably priced
In any case, my main focus was on the extended evga warranty, and high build quality
Which i think is worth the extra money
vapid crypt
How long is their Warranty?
vapid crypt
Oh okay, that's how long my Bitfenix unit got
restive garnet
Cant say im terribly familiar with bitfenix either
Mostly due to nz having a lower product range
We sort of just get what we are given
vapid crypt
I got one of the few left in stock on Amazon last year, seems to be in short supply since then
Its quad rail, 750w 80+ Gold fully modular. Got it for $100
restive garnet
Not a bad deal, it seems
I just tend to lean towards psus i trust
I had a mate buy an aywun power supply, which promptly killed his whole system
Like 1200 bucks down the drain
vapid crypt
I originally got something for $60 from Rosewill, and after using it for a few months looking into it I read some horror stories about that particular series of power supplies
Bad QC, cheap capacitors likely, explosions and what not 
restive garnet
Sounds like rosewill
vapid crypt
I don't think they're all bad, but their cheaper units are best to avoid
fleet canopy
Sounds like every PSU without the 80+ rating
restive garnet
Lmao
vapid crypt
It was 80+ Bronze, and fully modular. Thought it was good for how much it was going for, but alas
I still have it, its probably not likely to fail, but It does have a 3 year warranty for a reason I'm guessing
fleet canopy
I guess the brand or what exact psu counts towards it
restive garnet
Considering the nature of rosewill, i dont think i would use them for anything sensitive
Id only really get stuff that cant go wrong, like a case
Inb4 famous last words
fleet canopy
I believe cases can also break apart :)
vapid crypt
I think in most scenarios, a case won't ruin everything
But yeah a cheapo flimsy case is obviously no good
restive garnet
Thats what duct tape is for ;)
vapid crypt
Just install the computer in a cardboard box
fleet canopy
Or weak ass side window thing
restive garnet
Linus did a fairly decent cardboard box build a while a go
It was both impressive and horrifying at the same time
vapid crypt
I've seen Lego cases, when's the megablocks case though
restive garnet
You can also buy system trays off amazon reasonably cheap
Do a custom case
Its basically just an aluminium back plate with pcie brackets
wheat lichen
all i wanted to do was upgrade my cpu....but noooooo... Here's a new motherboard....and ram..... Now you can have a cpu.
I don't remember. But now its an aorsus or something
Ddr4 ram and ryzen 5
Amd fx 6300
Yea. And my video card was being bottlenecked because of the parts getting old
Gtx 1660 oc
vapid crypt
Gamers Nexus did a look at how FX aged, specifically the 8370. Its all the same architecture pretty much though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Gcg-tFfu0
lilac geyser
there's so many new games where not not just the minimum spec, but the recommended spec is a i5-4600k or something
there's little incentive to upgrade
coral sand
Yeah, though I wonder if this new gen of consoles is going to push that
Now that they aren't FX
But proper Ryzen
vapid crypt
With the APUs in the new consoles essentially being the equivalent of the 3700X, and what will likely be the mid range of the RDNA 2 line; some upgrading will be necessary once developers are fully optimizing for this hardware.
fleet canopy
I've already bought a 3700X
earnest rose
And now ur broke
abstract kite
fleet canopy
lel
restive garnet
At the same time, games are starting to get very core hungry, and i suspect it's going to get a lot worse with the rapidly increasing core counts available.
Horizon zero dawn is a fairly good example of this, at least going by OC3D benchmarks, where going from a quad core to a hexa core gave it like a 25% increase in frames, and a hexa to octa gave it another significant jump again.
I guess the only real question is going to be how soon will developers no longer to be able to leverage such core counts.
vapid crypt
Yeah Death Stranding on the same engine scales up to 24 threads
Optimized better too, or so I've heard
late sorrel
honestly; that’s pretty good
like, i would like more cpu work please, i have a crap gpu
vapid crypt
I think we'll need better everything, there's diminishing returns if one is significantly weaker than the other
fleet canopy
I mean, if it was 1080p, it'd be more CPU orientated anyways
But if you were to go higher, sure
vapid crypt
If the new consoles are easily doing true 4k 60, I think 1440p might become the new 1080p
Not immediately or anything, just a thought
fleet canopy
Yeah, soon enough eventually
Once people start to get out of 1080p, when 1440p becomes much more affordable, and when pretty much the majority of the people have systems that could do 1440p fine
vapid crypt
Since the mid range is already handling 1440p well enough, all it takes is monitors coming down too
Though honestly midrange was doing fine on 1440p even in 2016 so
brisk badger
you may not realize but optimizing a game or generally code to be run parallel by many threads is quite a task that requires money and time. Something management/publisher does not like at all
Also any game that offers modding is very very likely running with very few threads due to the nature of how script languages work (yes scripting is all done in the same thread)
vapid crypt
No doubt most independent developers will stick to what they can do with what they can afford
brisk badger
all older games and software rely on it. Sure when time passes by it will be a fraction and those old apps almost not used anymore
and as I said; if you want to allow modding, like in minecraft or other games; you are bound to single thread perfromance
minecraft may be a bad example but other games are often completely writen in a script language, only the engine is in something like C or similar
also if the engine allow for easier multitasking it surely helps especially for lower sized companies
making a game multithreaded also must make logically sense. Sometimes it's just not needed
vapid crypt
From what I understand games are no longer largely single threaded, at the very least 4 or more threads are utilized in most games now. There's a reason games at a certain point don't even launch if you're using a processor with less than 4 threads, Farcry 3 comes to mind; I remember people skirting that just using a dual core i3 cause of Hyperthreading
brisk badger
you may mix some stuff or people tell it wrong
yea a lot of games exist that run on multiple threads. But if the main logic of that game or app is still singlethreaded, it's no real multi threading
e.g what games often do:
1 thread for the network related stuff
1 thread for physics
1 thread for the main loop (game logic)
vapid crypt
Well yeah, that mostly applied to people hanging on to their Core Duos
brisk badger
so yea we have 3 threads being utilized yet one thread has to work way more than the other 2 very likely
vapid crypt
So there's speculation that the next line of graphics cards from Nvidia is gonna be 21 not 30, because of their recent use of 21 in the teaser marketing
21 days, 21 years when they posted that the other day
Kind of conflicting with the leaks that show "3080" on the shrowd of their cooler and what not admittedly
fleet canopy
That sounds kinda silly to call it a 21xx now considering it went from 10xx to 20xx