#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
late sorrel
i feel like that’s a satire post
vapid crypt
Satire and reality has blurred a lot in recent years, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were real. Regardless I had a good laugh 
I know someone here posted a reddit archive post of a guy that ended up throwing away his CPU by accident thinking the heatsink that comes with it is actually the CPU, You hate to see it; but people can be legitimately that ignorant about computers
eternal cairn
I feel so scummy for buying two of these, but the first two I got were defective. So, statistically speaking, the more I buy, the more likely I'll get one that isn't defective.
Also, I hate playing the waiting game. Waiting for the monitor to restock and waiting for Amazon to ship it is a nuisance.
fleet canopy
Yeah I remember that reddit post. He did so many things so wrong
sick reef
Defective as in either physically broken, the screen being damaged in some way, or that it does not work like it is supposed to.
fleet canopy
Defective as in a few pixels
proper wren
Customer angry about bent pins on his 3700x he broke and wants an exchange and 50% off
HMMMMM
proper wren
the idiot was planning to replace his 2600 on a cheap toasty gigabyte board. With a 2080ti pairing :|
fleet canopy
Oof
proper wren
"I think my 2600 is being a bottleneck to my 2080ti hur hur hur"
fleet canopy
So it was a shit board
proper wren
I told him about the board and bottleneck
fleet canopy
I assume it was kind of a bottleneck?
vapid crypt
Wow
This is why I have no problem believing someone would buy a desktop cpu to upgrade their playstation
fleet canopy
I guess so
abstract kite
Hey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHxSoTsJpfE This guy bought a desktop cpu for their original Xbox.
vapid crypt
Everything just works
torn ferry
If consoles had an RGB edition, I'd buy them.
sick reef
If you can reball, it's fair game.
fleet canopy
Consoles do have RGB
Even the original Xbox 👀
Gotta look for the green on the Xbox, and the blue on the PS 
Or you can just have a Nintendo Switch, PS4/5, and an Xbox and just call it RGB
eternal cairn
I got them from a friend for free because he was upgrading his rig.
fleet canopy
kek
eternal cairn
But on the plus side... Chrome can't lock up my PC now that I have 48 GB of RAM.
fleet canopy
lel
eternal cairn
I think I have like 100 Chrome tabs open and it's using than 4 GB of RAM.
cobalt lagoon
fleet canopy
I do use bookmarks
Kinda just never use them though
kek
I never have a browser open when I game
Except Minesweeper
unreal bloom
As a gamer i can't keep a browser open with 50+ tabs and expect top performance for my game
why, with 32g of ram you can. for older games you even can put them on ram disk lul
late sorrel
imagine not snorting ram chiplets
vapid crypt
I don't like having a ton of tabs open either, not because of performance; I just don't like it. I do usually have a handful of tabs open, but I'll close them whenever I'm not in need of them
marsh mesa
as a non gamer, I keep 50+ tabs open with Wallpaper Engine running and complain when SteamVR lags
abstract kite
I complain when my ICUE Software stops because I opened Wallpaper Engine.
marsh mesa
I love using Wallpaper Engine, really love it to bits but it ends up more getting closed once I turn on the computer than it stays open
Sometimes it's not even my computer not able to handle it, since that is mainly when I'm in VR, mainly VRChat, but I already do it as if it's just a natural thing for me
fleet canopy
Imagine using Wallpaper Engine when you could use a program that's 100% free, and has more stuff than Wallpaper Engine
marsh mesa
Imagine not just using the Windows 10 default wallpaper
jade ermine
3,99€ for wallpaper engine. It's basically free.
fleet canopy
Sure but it's also still something you pay for
When I could have installed something that's literally free
fleet canopy
They paid for it
marsh mesa
but in your end it's free
marsh mesa
Did you use your money?
jade ermine
Whats your free option
fleet canopy
I'd just use Rainmeter
jade ermine
fleet canopy
lel
marsh mesa
just use Windows 7 gadgets
abstract kite
jade ermine
Big brain move to use Windows 7 in 2020
abstract kite
Is it free though?
marsh mesa
👁️ 👄 👁️
abstract kite
Can't remember what 7 had
Windows 7 was released in 2009 and stopped receiving support this year. I was 9 years old at the time of it's release.
Feel old yet?
abstract kite
I'm 20 now, so.
marsh mesa
mood
abstract kite
Moon aren't you like 25? XD
vapid crypt
I was going on 15 I think 
abstract kite
October 22nd 2009
vapid crypt
Oh I was 15 then
jade ermine
EVGA does not list 2080Ti's in their website anymore
Ampere time soon hopefully 
marsh mesa
I'm 20 
vapid crypt
They list everything else though?
fleet canopy
Must have stopped production of 2080 Ti
vapid crypt
Curious it really is just the 2080 ti that isn't listed anymore
fleet canopy
They did the same for the 1080 Ti
At least kept it listed, but stopped the production
So the 2080 Ti might ramp up crazy in price now
vapid crypt
Not immediately, depends on how much new stock is left
abstract kite
So, will these cards not be dropped down in price?
fleet canopy
Not at all
Until they become a bit irrelevant
Except for the RTX 2060 to 2080 Super
fleet canopy
Those are most likely going to be lowered for a short while and then go the direction of 1080 Ti with the stupid price
vapid crypt
No one is gonna buy a 2080 ti at $1200 if a new card that's half the price or more performs just as well
fleet canopy
Actually maybe not, considering how the rest of the GTX 1000 series was like
inner prairie
game crashes during the drop into a level, any ideas?
fleet canopy
inner prairie
thanks
honest sparrow
<@&408548765599793173>
delicate musk
thanks we're handling it
formal nexus
My girlfriend is having trouble with her mouse lagging when she runs the game, we set her max render queue frames to 0 and it helped a bit, but there’s still an annoying amount of lag, any ideas?
abstract kite
@formal nexus does she have VSync off?
abstract kite
imagine not using windows Vista
fleet canopy
abstract kite
If they don't that'd be Unlucky.
jade ermine
ba dum tshhh
abstract kite
So the pin connectors are the 8 pins you plug in to your GPU from your PSU?
vapid crypt
Its a 12 pin so you would use 2 6 pins
I don't know how it works entirely but this 12 pin interface allows for more power than 2 8 pins
fleet canopy
So what's the 3080 Ti going to be like then
vapid crypt
Something like ~35 - 40% faster probably
fleet canopy
Sounds fair
abstract kite
AMD needs to announce something to attempt to keep prices in check.
jade ermine
I wish they release Ti early on like with 2xxx
jade ermine
Hope that they get some good stuff too
vapid crypt
Well we're hearing 40 - 50% faster than 2080 ti big navi allegedly so
abstract kite
fleet canopy
You wouldn't get something without actually researching it first
Unless you're pretty braindead and buy it without researching it lol
abstract kite
I got the 3700X without researching. All I knew at the time was Intel Bad, Ryzen Good.
I didn't know why, just followed sheep mentality.
fleet canopy
I got the 3700X because it was double cores, more performance, I only needed an upgrade to not upgrade it again over time anyways
Sure, wouldn't make too much of a difference at the moment maybe for gaming except in some aspects which I think has improved a good amount, but games are gonna go multithreaded if I'm still correct
abstract kite
I doubt I'll need to upgrade my rig until the next generation, 4080/7000 series?
I doubt it.
fleet canopy
7000?
abstract kite
Yeah
fleet canopy
I think they'll drop the whole Radeon after the next GPU release
But then again, I would probably be mostly wrong
abstract kite
I mean your guess is as good as any.
fleet canopy
They might come up with some wack shit no one would think of, and not continue with Radeon anymore
abstract kite
These prices are confusing asf xD
What the hell does this mean? XD
Is it $169.99 or $139.99
fleet canopy
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The i might be 170, the non i might be 140 is what it means
vapid crypt
Regarding the ryzen 4000 that's releasing; they're just the APUs. They're Zen 2 product still, you're not getting anything better than 3700X performance out of them from the looks of it
Unless fast ram can be leveraged, even still we're talking maybe 2%
fleet canopy
That's basically it I guess. The Ryzen 3000 APUs are made with Zen + iirc
vapid crypt
Its pretty much what they've been putting in laptops but with higher wattage
abstract kite
@late sorrel yeah I watched a full case review on it just now. I may get that instead of the fractal design I was gonna get previously.
I need to look more on it tonight when I get home.
late sorrel
oh, coo
vapid crypt
Better in what regard?
So there's pro's to both of them, disregarding the 510i
For one the 510 is cheaper, but the meshify has better airflow
Oh wait...
abstract kite
Mhm 
fleet canopy
Try looking through specs and look at the images of cases to compare what's different
That's 107$
Horrible price compared to the Meshify C
Or at least similar
abstract kite
Well tbf the H510i has built-in RGB strips and allows you to have a more in-depth monitoring of internal temps
vapid crypt
Well they aren't identical
vapid crypt
It is yeah
abstract kite
So what would you guys pick?
vapid crypt
Probably the meshify, but for the money the H510 is pretty good.
Personally I'm looking to get this thing at some point
fleet canopy
I think that's mainly design and people's preference
vapid crypt
abstract kite
Not the H510i veriety?
fleet canopy
The H510 is a very nice case overall I think
vapid crypt
Well no cause what you're paying 30 bucks for lighting or something?
fleet canopy
But I like having my parts cool, and I use airflow so I would go Mesh C for myself
abstract kite
I guess?
vapid crypt
Behold lighting
Hmm oh I suppose you have to make sure the motherboard supports ARGB
Otherwise there's just regular RGB ones too
That one comes with 3 for the same price actually, its what I got
abstract kite
@vapid crypt that would be the B550 you linked the other day.
vapid crypt
Ahh I see 
abstract kite
Hmm oh I suppose you have to make sure the motherboard supports ARGB
vapid crypt
The Aorus Elite right?
So from their product page the motherboard has 3 RGB headers and 2 ARGB headers
Or am I misunderstanding what its saying
No nevermind
Its as I said
abstract kite
@vapid crypt you are right, https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite/p/N82E16813145214.
I think the B450 can handle this too.
vapid crypt
B450 what?
abstract kite
Tomahawk
vapid crypt
Oh uh the tomahawk can handle what?
vapid crypt
They are still producing the Max variant of the B450 Tomahawk
lilac geyser
can we rename this channel to #amd_circlejerk?
because that seems to represent it better
fleet canopy
Hah
fleet canopy
Gaming or epic power
If gaming, AMD
If epic power, AMD
At this point if anything, AMD
merry bay
muh 1080p edge 
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
I will be one of the first to shit on AMD if they were to end up like they were during the FX era again, or become Intel 2.0
fleet canopy
How so?
vapid crypt
If you want an actual AMD circlejerk, visit the AMD subreddit
Oh well say for the next decade AMD doesn't innovate anymore, and continues to charge more for the same CPU
That's basically what Intel did for almost a decade
fleet canopy
Ah yeah
I mean
Doesn't Intel still commonly do that?
Excluding core counts, those are going up a little
vapid crypt
In the sense that they're on the same process node since 5 years ago, kind of
fleet canopy
But like it's 14nm, same process, little more higher clock by 0.3Ghz
merry bay
when you stagnate that hard, anything is a stride i guess
vapid crypt
It doesn't matter them, they're literally 20x the worth of AMD. They'll compete whenever they actually get a clue, to them as long as they own the server and OEM/Laptop market its fine
fleet canopy
Imagine owning the mobile chip side now
They're also destroying Intel in laptops as well tbf
vapid crypt
Yeah absolutely, better performance and battery life across the board
But normies know marketing, not performance
merry bay
for recognition to catch up it will take years, people will still go for intel
but honestly the price gap is big enough where I think people will start researching
fleet canopy
And tbf once we hit 5nm, is there any reason to go any smaller?
lilac geyser
tbf = to be facetious ?
merry bay
if it doesn't drive the price too much to produce it will always be worth it to go smaller
going smaller tends to result in better efficiency. Less or similar heat for something better. As you can cram more
vapid crypt
Even if the performance increase is more negligible, the efficiency should go up right?
brisk badger
Why does every X570 board have an active cooler? AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lilac geyser
those things blow
brisk badger
last time I had to use active coolers for the southbridge was in the golden era of socket 775 😤
i did some research but do not come to a real conclusion. I do assume it's because of PCIE 4.0 which may result in a lot more heat generation.
I'ts a small step backwards to use again active cooled southbridges
sick reef
I'll just reiterate that when it comes to CPUs, it isn't about brand, it's about product.
Regarding the active cooler, I think it increases the temperature load on the board to run the Zen structure, that it pushes most power through the board, the way the RAM is coupled with the CPU.
It is very well likely that the speeds and thus increase in traffic with the voltages makes it so that an active cooling actually has a purpose.
Brand doesn't matter if the product is shite.
Assuming they have equalient service, as the two CPU giants at least does.
brisk badger
Regarding the active cooler, I think it increases the temperature load on the board to run the Zen structure, that it pushes most power through the board, the way the RAM is coupled with the CPU
no that it can't be it. RAM and CPU do talk directly to each other for many years. In the early days there was a northbridge handling this but luckily this no longer needed
It's a bit a bummer IMO and not a plus point for AMD. Definitely was not looking for a new mainboard with a mini fan on the chipset
sick reef
Yeah, but I meant with power distribution and load.
brisk badger
it's also a problem for long lifetime :/
the watt consumption increased from 5w (X470) to 15w (X570)
sick reef
I would have to look up communication and bus-interaction for Zen structure to either abandon or enhance that argument regarding it I guess.
It could just be specific to PCIe 4.0, but isn't most of PCIe traffic, at least in non-zen, high-traffic/low-load communication?
brisk badger
i wait for the next-gen. It sounds silly but I am not really fine with a 3x power increase and need to have a mini fan 😕
i do think it's because of pcie4 which will torture the chipset, especially in combination with nvme and other used sata ports
but hopefully the future will not bring us 40mm mini fans again on the chipset 😋
sick reef
Maybe, just like how CPU's had to abandon passive cooling, motherboards require enough power to have to too.
I've never heard of extreme heat generation in either SATA nor M.2, U.2, as PCIe. just the NVME cache spikes, really.
brisk badger
they cause the chipset to generate heat. not the device itself is getting hot
sick reef
Yeah. Though isn't that heat often concentrated in the device itself, or the CPU.
What makes the chipset itself run hot due to it. Is it too small?
brisk badger
it has to work a lot. And the speedier things are (nvme, pcie4.0) the more work that means for the chipset
tho I would have assumed it still would be fine since most pcie 4.0 are directly to the cpu
sick reef
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking as well, but I also remember that some GPU's/NVME devices also pulled power from the board. That could also go through the chipset, right, like I think it was the Vega card?
Though, it should also be taken into consideration that all digital signals are effectively voltages at specific intervalls. Increasing it twofold might just load the architecture of how the chipset and lanes themselves are constructed.
Akin having too small cable for too large current, instead just actively cooling the cable to counter heat-damage.
fleet canopy
I thought I was watching an advertisement for a moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZYpY3QZhzw
stoic tree
merry bay
"starter kit"
vapid crypt
"ITDIGI" give em a one egg rating
fleet canopy
ITDIGI?
vapid crypt
That's the name of the seller for that fan kit
proper wren
Company is being super weenie about new 0% discount policy =3=
lilac geyser
holy crap the reviews for ITDIGI, newegg appears to check 3rd party merchants send the recipient a tracking number to help stop fraud, but ITDIGI appears to be reusing tracking numbers from other orders (probably from other sites they sell on) to make it look like they shipped the item
vapid crypt
Oh goodness, so fraud and price gouging for no reason
lilac geyser
here's one of their 5 egg ratings "This older laptop is way much faster everyone should have one in their laptop thanks"
vapid crypt
What a stand up company
analog jay
I'm stuck between 45 and 55 fps in game, why ?
vapid crypt
Specs, resolution and settings?
abstract kite
VSync?
analog jay
VSync disable, résolution 1920*1080, I try with low setting but I always stuck, I don't understand.
fleet canopy
Oh well
brisk badger
more like RIP windows
void grove
'
fleet canopy
Cool
fleet canopy
I don't think that's possible
stiff tartan
Suggestions
fleet canopy
Afaik you can only sell them into your steam wallet
Which you cannot take money out of
stiff tartan
Nah there are sites for that
fleet canopy
Doesn't sound like that's real though
stiff tartan
Ill probably spend like 100-150 on a new keyboard dunno yet
Doesn't sound like that's real though
@fleet canopy it is
fleet canopy
"No, wallet funds cannot be moved or withdrawn to a bank account"
That doesn't seem like you really can
And it seems like a fake
stiff tartan
German cancer
Dude thats 3rd party
Nnot from steam officially
Only dumb people sell high value stuff on steam market lol
20% share iirc
fleet canopy
That shit looks like some "How to glitch money in gee te ea vee "
stiff tartan
Bro its even from prodigy and heyzeus
Theyre one of the biggest csgo skin yt out there
Anyways, suggestions for my Pc?
Probably will get a mew Mobo and new CPU dunno which tho
fleet canopy
A thread just says it isn't real money, which is pretty much the point of Steam stuff
You could use it as "real money" for steam games or the market, but it's not real at all
It's like points for a website to get "20% off whatever"
fleet canopy
Well it is real, but it's not like
fleet canopy
What
stiff tartan
fleet canopy
Well then
They just don't seem any real at all
Just some fake ass shit that I wouldn't bother with imo
stiff tartan
Bro ive already done that multiple times its real
My friend even cashed out his 17k inventory he got like 16.5k iirc
stiff tartan
Specs?
fleet canopy
ye
stiff tartan
4
stiff tartan
But ive already considered building out my 2x4gb sticks
Everything is in the link above
CPU Z pics
fleet canopy
Well it only seems you need a good CPU and fast 16GB ram
stiff tartan
I have 2666Mhz 16gb and 2400 8gb
Bc i considered upgrading already and didnt wanna pay tooo much
fleet canopy
Oof
stiff tartan
Only had like 90€
vapid crypt
RAM is cheaper now than it was a few years ago
stiff tartan
Eh
fleet canopy
I'd recommend R5 3600, 16GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS16, and B550 something good
vapid crypt
You can get faster and higher capacity RAM for less than that
stiff tartan
I paid 83€ for 16gb 2666 in store
stiff tartan
Yea ram prices are hugh in germany in stores
Nah it was black corsair lpx
Vengeance
vapid crypt
I got 16gb 3000mhz Vengance LPX for $65 granted with a $5 promo
stiff tartan
Thats like 59€ welp
fleet canopy
Look around for RAM
stiff tartan
I didnt really care got it for my bday from my cousin
So eh
Nah im satisfied with my ram since i dont need it that much
fleet canopy
I found 2x8GB ram for 50-60USD which had b-die
stiff tartan
Its enough for game discord and chrome
fleet canopy
You'll want to have 3200MHz for Ryzen though
fleet canopy
It offers good performance over what you have now
vapid crypt
Faster the better, it has been tested
fleet canopy
No matter what amount of RAM it was
vapid crypt
Performance for Ryzen right now caps at around 3800 when you overclock the Fclock typically, could maybe do slightly more like 3866 - 3933
stiff tartan
I dont need an overkill pc that has 12000 frames in minecraft
I habe 144hz so its enough for me i dont need to drain every frame
fleet canopy
That's not overkill lel
vapid crypt
Well you could probably already get that kind of performance with what you have already
fleet canopy
That's the best recommended and is like the standard at this point
stiff tartan
I dont want to spend too much tho
Id pay like what 400 - 500 for a mobo cpu fan and new ram
fleet canopy
Even if something seems quite a bit expensive, it can be way worth it
vapid crypt
I'd have to do some calculating
fleet canopy
Just like buying shitty tools again and again as they break, or pay for good ones and never pay for them again for years kek
stiff tartan
The only difference is that my ram wont break
If i need better ram in the future ill get it for now its enough for me
fleet canopy
But it's not like you can keep 2400MHz and be happy with it
It's just not that good at all
vapid crypt
2400 is base clock for a lot of kits
fleet canopy
fleet canopy
<@&408548765599793173> This isn't the foot fetish I was looking for
red sinew
Thanks
vapid crypt
Why is weird shit happening in this channel when I'm not here
fleet canopy
Yes
earnest rose
oof
abstract kite
Hm.
brisk badger
🦶
dusk igloo
i miss the god old days where 600 mhz was overkill
velvet sage
600? 
dusk igloo
ram when it was fast
quiet hollow
is the asus tuf evo 5700xt for 699 AUD a good deal? compared to gigabyte OC 749 and sapphire pulse at 729?
dusk igloo
i can find multiple cards with that that info, is it a 5700xt?
quiet hollow
oh soz. yeh it is
dusk igloo
are all 3 that, when i search gigabyte OC 749 in my county i can only find nvidia cards
i copyed gigabyte from your text dont mind the price is there
quiet hollow
that's price. all three are 5700xt
dusk igloo
asus tuf seems to have the highest boost clocks, i take it all are 8gb variants
i cannot remeber if the 5700 exists in lower vram versions
asus tuf has a oversize cooler taking more then 2 pci brackets allowing for a bigger heatsink.
brisk badger
I use the asus strix 5700xt myself and probably has the highest boost clock and I have to say, at least in my opinion; It's not worth it. The power consumption and heat generation do not justify the performance boost. of course it's subjective and for raw performance it will perform better
dusk igloo
wooza do you undervolt, works wonders on the 980ti without changing performance
brisk badger
yep I do undervolt. I undervolt even a bit more and lose slight more performance but I can live with that
I save about 40-50w during load depending on the application for about 10% performance loss which is fine for me
somehow I am anyway attracted to games that are primary cpu limited and singlethreaded
dusk igloo
@quiet hollow
but i have heard many not like the design since it uses heat pipes directly, if i had my amd stock cooler handy i would show you a picture of why
dusk igloo
this is 2.7
this is why i dont like direct heatpipes
look at how the contact patch is reduced due to spaces between pipes
dusk igloo
wraith prism for Ryzen 7
brisk badger
well idk performance-wise but seems annoying to clean
abstract kite
Yeah that thing not great
dusk igloo
it is technically better but it has to be made with better tolerances
@quiet hollow i would properly keep away from the asus tuf, a bit more searching shows that it seems to be the worst rx5700xt on the marked, with some saying worse then reference
@quiet hollow and according to gamers nexus the gigabyte and Sapphire Pulse are the best overall aftermarket cards for the rx5700 platform
quiet hollow
@dusk igloo as far as I'm aware there are two versions of the TUF - the EVO and the non-EVO. the non-EVO was especially bad coz it had no memory cooling if memory serves, but the EVO fixed that. just wanted to see if anyone had any opinions on it
dusk igloo
I only have slightly mixed experience with direct heat pipes coolers i do see that the rev 2 of the cooler (the one in the picture does have cooling for the chips)
I'm just pointing out with my wraith cooler which is worse then the average (they are usually great), it has to do with the surface area being smaller due to crevasse between the heat pipes, i was just unlucky and got a bad one, but i did not care since the stock cpu cooler does not fit in my case anyway.
quiet hollow
fair enough. ty for your experience. gonna look around see what else i can find
minor crane
the wraith stock coolers are passable for stock clocks maybe a VERY light overclock, the intel ones are stock and barely handle stock core temps. if over clocking replace cooler
late sorrel
this looks like a nice snack
fleet canopy
Yes
fleet canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9jS1c4H5lk - Desktop vs Laptop gaming performance; how far behind are today's laptop GPUs
brisk badger
Gaming notebooks is something that will become a niche market if not non-existing. Cloud gaming is on the rise. You can already do it today but its not popular
late sorrel
I gotta say, I really dislike the way stadia handled their cloud gaming thing
brisk badger
Yea. But you can have your own gaming cloud assuming u have a pc that can play games
And then there is geforce now
brisk badger
idk how they could not be behind. the most expensive gaming notebooks do not use mobile gpu's
generally said; if the notebook gpu does not have the same Watt consumption as it's desktop counterpart; it's behind in performance
sick reef
Latptop GPU's will always be behind in performance. Heat being one big factor.
But they are not as abhorrent as mobile GPU's or APU's.
dusk igloo
it is actually only a little tradeoff compared to the portability
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
Sounds like fun
vapid crypt
I already knew about this thanks to Mooreslawisdead, but Intel has officially confirmed it
fleet canopy
They may not do too well in gaming maybe, but they could surely succeed in another area
vapid crypt
I'm sure the performance would be pretty good for that, but considering they're neutering half the cores on the 16 core probably not so much for processes that take advantage of that many cores
Something I just noticed that's odd is Rocket Lake is only going up to 8 cores
I think I recall seeing that the i7 was gonna be an 8 core with 12 threads
So half the cores have hyperthreading
Hmm okay so Rocket Lake is completely different arch, it isn't just better Skylake again
Explains why they're trying different core counts and thread configurations
vapid crypt
10nm Desktop processors coming out before Yandere Simulator
jade ermine
:D
rocket lake up to 8 cores only? have fun trying to sell those vs up to 16 zen3 cores
fleet canopy
Maybe not 👀
Someone is making the same Yandere Sim with better performance lol
So it might be finished before Intel releases it
vapid crypt
I'm aware of that, but I'm referring to actual Yandere Simulator by the same developer that couldn't code to save his own life
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
But anyway, you know they're gonna market them as the best gaming chips
And probably have a new Extreme series to "try" to compete with High end Ryzen and some of the Threadripper stuff
I haven't heard anything about that
jade ermine
will be fun to follow what they come up with
vapid crypt
I'm just taking a guess
They might release 10nm stuff on extreme platform first, I could see that happening
Seeing as they've already done so on laptop and server chips
vapid crypt
What is that for?
jade ermine
black box
fleet canopy
Honestly you might not be wrong with the best gaming part
But the better manufacture might allow them to challenge AMD in some other stuff
vapid crypt
Right with Rocket Lake, it'll come out after Zen 3; and considering they aren't going past 8 cores that's literally all they have
fleet canopy
To be fair, it is kind of pointless of them to have more cores
They're mainly a gaming chip, so it's not really worth it
vapid crypt
It shouldn't be pointless, its why Alder Lake is going to 16 cores.
jade ermine
horizon zero dawn should be similar
fleet canopy
Wild
vapid crypt
I'm gonna get that game soon probably
I wish my motherboard wasn't crap, I could get a 3900X then
jade ermine
3900X works on almost every board, wich one you have?
vapid crypt
It'll work, its just from what I know the VRMs will most likely throttle
jade ermine
nothing a little airflow cant fix
vapid crypt
I can't find any in depth info about this motherboard in particular, Its the X470 Gaming Pro. I think it uses the same VRM as the Gaming Plus
Uh MSI
jade ermine
you'll be fiiiiiine
vapid crypt
Nah I'll just end up getting a 3700X and if I want a 12 core I'll wait for that to be in the ~$300 price range
jade ermine
I bet there will be bunch of second hand ones end of this year floating around 😄
vapid crypt
I think once Zen 4 is out, I'll upgrade to a good B550 board and get a 4900X
jade ermine
B550 master for that VRM FLEX factor
vapid crypt
Or whatever the 12 core may be
All of the B550 Gigabyte boards are using the same VRMs
jade ermine
buildzoid stated that b550 master has basically same VRM as x570 xtreme
i doubt cheaper ones have that
that would not make much sense to me
vapid crypt
If you look at the product pages for each of them, it says they're all 12+2 phase
As far as cooling goes, it might differ. But yeah from what I understand they're all the same VRMs
fleet canopy
Wouldn't be surprised if the 3900X went to a price of 350-375$ when Zen 3 comes
Or when the 4000 comes in
vapid crypt
Bleh Newegg is running slow
Oh okay I must have overlooked that when I looked before
Still 12+2 on the Elite is still pretty good
Way better than what B450 offers
Wow the tomahawk is actually in stock
vapid crypt
What board?
jade ermine
X570 Gaming-E
vapid crypt
Oh the strix board?
jade ermine
ye
fleet canopy
<@&408548765599793173>
void perch
thanks
abstract kite
RUN
stark plover
How fragile is gpu die? I know to be carful with it when installing after market coolers but how careful do I gotta be
jade ermine
Common sense when tightening screws and you are good
proper wren
Cross thread, don't put too much pressure down with the heatsink
tiny orbit
Does anyone get occasional lag spikes
unreal bloom
yup
finite violet
sennheiser
clear quartz
I'm looking more for a headset with mic since i have already headphones(marshal major 2) for audio
vapid crypt
So there exists mics that you can add to headphones like that
Like this one for example https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Boom-Microphone-Playstation-Controller/dp/B07W3GGRF2?th=1
I know there's modmic, they make a wireless one, but probably not worth the price
Its a good idea to get a DAC with it as well, makes it easier to not run into problems from what I understand. Personally I just use a regular mic on a stand and my headphones, no need for a set up like that
steel crane
I've got a GTX 660 right now. My game runs kinda ehhh. Whats the cheapest solution out there thats really gonna give me better performance with this game? Like sub $200
fleet canopy
I can recommend trying to find an RX 580, but I believe there are other good GPUs for same price but more performance
steel crane
cheers man I'll give it a look
vapid crypt
If you do find an RX 580, be sure to use DDU. Its a program that uninstalls and wipes all files related to your graphics drivers. The reason you want to do this is because the GTX 660 is from Nvidia and the RX 580 is from AMD Radeon, different manufacturers; different drivers. Any remnants of conflicting driver files will most likely cause issues.
Its a common mistake people make and don't realize, then end up returning new cards because of problems.
abstract kite
why is choosing headset always a pain
Mood
abstract kite
I'm looking more for a headset with mic since i have already headphones(marshal major 2) for audio
@clear quartz
You can get a modmic and attach it to your current headphones if you want to use those for gaming .
Alternatively if you really want to get a headset with a mic, I’d suggest Cooler Master MH752s. They’re basically Takstar Pro82s tuned slightly different, but come with a small USB DAC/DSP and a mic.
They’re not bad audio headphones either
clear quartz
i thkught about getting a mod mic but i dont find my current headphones comfy for long gaming sessions
so im looking for something comfy with mic
my option's as now are some hp gaming 400/600/800, razer electra v2 or kraken 7.1/x
abstract kite
no don’t pls
I cannot in good faith endorse many razer products
HyperX Cloud Alpha S would be better if you’re looking for something like Krakens
clear quartz
nervously types in razer keyboard and mouse
abstract kite
Lol
sick reef
They're passable but often overpriced.
sick reef
I've had anything you can imagine die on me.
They're passable, but often overpriced.
clear quartz
i do have the hyperX cloud stinger core as an option
sick reef
Apart from in the headphone sector, those have survived me 7 years something.
clear quartz
and steelseries artic raw
abstract kite
Those arent bad
clear quartz
i did bought the ornata chroma just because the wrist pad is super comfy
and the nagata trinity for the swappable side buttons (which i haven't used more than 2 to this date but hey it was cheap)
sick reef
Eventually I'll have to switch my headphones too, but I do rue the day.
clear quartz
i do agree with ben that razer are super overpriced but the ornata wrist band is mhmmmm
dense wasp
This is pretty bonkers,
50% faster then a 2080ti..
Granted not a consumer card, but still
dense wasp
It’s the Titan variant, as I understood it
Or sorry
It could end up in those
It’s the server / data center product line
Correct
void perch
i want one, but idk where to buy one.. or how much they are for that matter
void perch
hmm, that's not that bad
i can write it off as a business expense, testing how it handles GTFO
fleet canopy
lmao
void perch
hmm, my NAS is getting low:
Total capacity: 35747.52 GB
Available capacity: 4228.08 GB (11.83%)
fleet canopy
Hah
void perch
your total capacity is 1 TB?
late sorrel
dang ludvig, even i have like 4 1tb drives lying around
void perch
the sad thing right now, is that I really want to build out a homemade NAS Solution, meaning probably swapping out or installing a bunch of drives in my 2 physical servers and turning it into an actual NAS, but that's going to require a lot of drives and hardware to do and now's not the best time for me to be buying a buncha new hardware
stark plover
What be the best PC fan 🥺👉👈
stark plover
@fleet canopy I asked in build a PC discord and I got this reply 🥺👉👈
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6zQG3C/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-co-563-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00121a budgetish dual ball bearing
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h7mLrH/enermax-case-fan-uccla12p excellent fan, pretty damn decent static pressure, twister gen2 bearing which is higher mtbf than noctua, excels in benchmarks
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zbc48d/enermax-uctba12p-639-cfm-120mm-fan-uctba12p
heavily overpriced in the US but if you have no budget these are excellent ultra low noise fans at ~15dBA, better than be quiet silentwings3 as a reference point
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zvphP6/noiseblocker-case-fan-itrb12ps high quality rifle bearing, not high in noise, static pressure isnt that good but excels in noise to airflow
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b2vRsY/noctua-nf-f12-pwm-5497-cfm-120-mm-fan-nf-f12-pwm pretty good for static pressure, or the chromax version if you want black, still not that high in noise @DNApoint
I don't know much about case fans
I thought that like the Nf A12 was like the top line fan or something but he said that noctua wasn't the best ;(
fleet canopy
Noctua does give great fan cooling for a nice price imo
fleet canopy
Yeah, that's what the noctuas should be like
fleet canopy
Mmk, that's a great quality fan
stark plover
Thanks B
vapid crypt
From the looks of it, its thermal throttling there
clear quartz
@abstract kite i ended up buying the steelseries arctis raw
vapid crypt
I dunno if the AC would prevent it from thermal throttling, but I suppose you could give it a try
abstract kite
@snow rain What card do you have?
It looks like AMD, in that screenshot, but my phones resolution is garbage.
fleet canopy
The only thing that's seen is a Ryzen 3600
abstract kite
If he's using the 5700 series of cards then 80c is fine.
abstract kite
Can't see it
vapid crypt
Its Ryzen master, it says its running at 73c at 1.7ghz
Clearly reaching a thermal peak and throttling the clockspeed down
brisk badger
1.359v for 7nm CPU?
vapid crypt
Yeah, honestly Ryzen 3000 benefits from undervolts
jade ermine
Weird, It should not throttle down with stock cooler (i assume he is using it). Probably something wrong.
Voltages should be fine if its left on auto instead of setting manual vcore.
vapid crypt
So these prebuilts from Cyberpower and what not do not use the stock cooler that comes with the cpu, they use these cheap downdraft coolers from coolermaster. Not saying that's what he has, but its common for people to get their computer as a prebuilt made by Cyberpower from Best Buy or some other retailer. That's the exact cooler they tend to use at the lower level.
abstract kite
The PC I have now was a prebuilt from Cyberpower. Was a waster of $500.
fleet canopy
For 500$, better than 1000$ lol
late sorrel
okay
so, i’m in a position where i might have shorted my motherboard
or my ram
fuck :(
abstract kite
I hope its the 2nd one
late sorrel
well, i spent the 20 dollars on the board warranty
so i would prefer if it’s the board
abstract kite
Oh, well shit
brisk badger
Why are there two candidates? Does the mobo show some sign of life?
Lights that turn on
late sorrel
the mobo cannot recognize the ram
however, the ram’s rgb goes on
so i know there’s power going to it
I’m going to a friends house to test my ram today
Therefore, without testing the ram I can’t tell if it’s the board’s fault recognizing the ram, or other way round
i can say it’s probably the ram, but i still should check
brisk badger
Well if anything is shortened it wont make any, lights or transfer electricity
late sorrel
hmm; so something broke somewhere?
late sorrel
Reseated, cmos clear, individual ram stick in all modules (tried both)
no dice
MSI debug led keeps the dram light on
brisk badger
No mainboard with internal error led?
brisk badger
I really recommend anyone here to own a PCI diagnostic card. They are super cheap
late sorrel
3600, b450 tomahawk, rx 570, 16gb of the 3200mhz corsair vengeance rgb
brisk badger
But u have some panel showing a code?
Or else u could plug a mobo speaker so u can hear the error tone
On mobile with 50kbit/s so cant show😕
Ram contacts also look good?
late sorrel
I have a 4 led mobo led light display that tells me if it’s the cpu, dram, vga, or post
the light next to DRAM is lit up
yes, contacts look good
brisk badger
Ah i see. Hmm difficult to tell tho what it could be
late sorrel
yeah, hence checking the ram
then i can easily tell what the issue is
luckily if it’s the mobo i can just go into the store and get a replacement
brisk badger
This i meant. Good to have at home
Well if your mobo lights up i heavily doubt it has issues
late sorrel
yeah, i agree
brisk badger
But it could be
late sorrel
just that the option is there
brisk badger
Did u do something partical before it happened?
late sorrel
I was changing cpu cooler, and scalped my cpu, so I lost a pin or two on my 2600.
during that process, the motherboard turned on for a second because I forgot to turn off the power
I put in my new 3600 to replace the 2600 yesterday, which I know was seated correctly, and the ram light was left on
the bent pins/broken pins make me wonder if I fucked the cpu socket as well
@brisk badger
clear quartz
F
sick reef
Just a general recommendation, for you Tinted, or anyone else deciding to start mounting/unmounting PC parts.
You should start by turning it off if it's on, then turning the PSU off if it has a power switch, then physically unplugging the PSU by unplugging the cable, regardless of how little of a fix you're doing. Also grounding yourself for safety's sake while you wait a minute or two.
I almost lost my RAM/RAM slot the same way, because of that the reset BIOS setting was set to "Turn on computer when connected to power", which I otherwise always have on "Set state to off".
It was the one time I was sloppy and I was lucky, so I decided I shouldn't need to be lucky again after that one.
sick reef
late sorrel
sick reef
Have you physically inspected the socket?
sick reef
It should just look symmetrical. Since the seat is in the board on AMD, it might be more difficult to see anything without use of a magnifier.
lilac geyser
clear quartz
dayum
vapid crypt
Yeah well clearly the investors aren't happy
lilac geyser
a 20% loss usually happens?
sick reef
It can absolutely happen. It all depends on investor expectations.
Literally.
It's the investors that hold the stocks.
sick reef
Feels like it's better than the MB 
stable wyvern
Intel drop is because they announced the 7nm process is borked and the rollout is delayed until 2022-2023 at the absolute earliest
So it's basically intel 14nm process vs amd (using TSMC's) 7nm process
late sorrel
@sick reef yeah, but the motherboard would be able to be returned and exchanged because i spent the 20 bucks for a warranty thing
vapid crypt
Yeah they aren't releasing 10nm desktop product to consumers until next year. Going by AMD's roadmap, Zen 4 will be using TSMC's 5nm process
half iron
I'm waiting for the rtx 3070 and I have a ryzen 5 3600, will I be bottlenecked or not or is it unknown?
abstract kite
Is smaller number nm better?
I believe there will be a small bottleneck, but that is just my opinion.
vapid crypt
1080p?
half iron
Yes
vapid crypt
Cause if its 1080p, there will be a slight bottleneck compared to Intel in most cases. Course 1080p Ultra shouldn't be a big deal, we're talking maybe 5% difference? I mean that's theoretical considering I can only guess a 3070 would be in striking distance of a 2080 ti or something
abstract kite
Has AMD told us anything about their next Gen Processors or will it just be more cores.
vapid crypt
And for nm, that's referring to the process node. The smaller the better because it allows denser population of transistors
abstract kite
Hm the more you know.
half iron
So not really worth getting a new cpu for?
half iron
Okay, thanks for the input!
vapid crypt
Sure, It might be worth a monitor upgrade actually before a CPU upgrade
The higher the resolution, the more the GPU becomes the bottleneck. That's the ideal really
abstract kite
I would personally say to start future proofing your PC if possible.
half iron
Wdym
And regarding @vapid crypt statement , why would I upgrade to a higher res monitor if it wil cause a worse bottleneck? Am i understanding this correctly?
vapid crypt
So when people are talking about a bottleneck its always from the perspective of a CPU holding back the GPU, a negative situation really
When I say at a higher resolution the GPU becomes the bottleneck, that means the CPU is no longer a factor. The GPU is largely the one pulling the work
That's the ideal, you want the GPU to be the bottleneck not the other way around
half iron
Ah I see
abstract kite
I am saying, if you want you can get things like a better MOBO or a PSU. When the new products such as the CPU or GPU line up drops, prices are gonna start climbing. Not to mention with the current pandemic and price gouging it may get a lot worse.
vapid crypt
And future proofing is a common term thrown around, I wouldn't put stock into it cause you can't predict what the future holds; you can only make an educated guess
abstract kite
I can see an upward trend
vapid crypt
Like no one saw the 12 pin design from Nvidia coming, not that you would need to change out your PSUs or anything; cause I guess they're coming with adapters?
abstract kite
Like now, for instance.
vapid crypt
As long as your power supply isn't trash
abstract kite
I'd be a tiny bit concerned for my 700W
brave venture
I have ryzen 5 2600, 16gb of ram, and gtx 1660 ti
How come I don’t get very great frames on GTFO?
vapid crypt
What are you getting?
vapid crypt
What's the speed of your RAM?
vapid crypt
Open task manager
brave venture
They are rip jaw
vapid crypt
If you can see the model number that should say it too
But anyway in task manager, click on the performance tab; then on memory
It'll list speed there
vapid crypt
Odd its not showing the speed
brave venture
Any other way of checking?
vapid crypt
There's some programs that can tell you, like CPUZ or HWinfo
brave venture
I made it
vapid crypt
So something that's easy to overlook is setting the xmp profile for the memory
Technically speaking the advertised speed is an overclock
vapid crypt
So you have to go into the Bios and set it
brave venture
Okay so I need to reboot my computer and go into bios?
brave venture
B450
vapid crypt
Manufacturer?
vapid crypt
So not all Bios are the same, but the gist of it should be apparent
Ryzen, especially the older cpus are very sensitive to memory speeds. So if its at base speeds, its gonna hold back the cpu a lot.
vapid crypt
Yeah as I thought XMP isn't enabled
vapid crypt
Yeah follow that youtube video I linked
brave venture
Okay I turned it on
vapid crypt
By the way out of curiosity, which slots did you install the RAM into?
brave venture
vapid crypt
Oh that's 2 and 4
brave venture
Yeah 2 and 4 actually
vapid crypt
Then its fine
abstract kite
Wow those are like Ironman's level of red. I like it.
vapid crypt
Yeah you should see an easy 40 - 50fps increase on high settings now
brave venture
This is what all I have all in there
vapid crypt
I get like 80 - 90fps using the same cpu and an RX 580
abstract kite
I love how neat it is
brave venture
That was before all the cables were plugged in lol
vapid crypt
Wait just a moment
abstract kite
That was before all the cables were plugged in lol
vapid crypt
Why isn't the card in the top pcie slot?
abstract kite
brave venture
It was in the lower one because I had to use a WiFi card
And I just selected the wrong pic
abstract kite
Wait, what?
brave venture
Couldn’t use the WiFi card because it wouldn’t fit
It was in the lower pcie slot at first
But then I realized it needed to be in the top one for better performance
So I ditched the WiFi card and got a WiFi dongle instead
Now I use Ethernet
Make sense now?
vapid crypt
Right, with that motherboard its unfortunate cause its micro atx so it just wouldn't have the space
brave venture
Thanks a ton dude @vapid crypt fixes every problem I was ever having with any game
vapid crypt
Sure, no problem.
Its a more common issue people have had apparently, you haven't been the first one here
stark plover
Anyone know if the radeon vii w/ morpheus ii should be using a thermal pad vs paste ? (and which one would be best choice)
brisk badger
okay someone explain me why ram banks 2 and 4 should be rather used than 1 and 3
lilac geyser
DNApoint, you can use fuji paper to tell if components are making contact like that
abstract kite
I'd also like to know this. My PC's video stopped working because of it, Wooza helped me for like 6 hours getting it back and working xD
brisk badger
also anyone know more news about zen 3? Would like to upgrade in the next months but don't want to wait so long. I could read the news but people here are usually up to date
fleet canopy
Afaik Zen 3 is Ryzen 5000 now
4000 is probably gonna be like Zen 2+ idek
At least that's what I heard, but my mind could be a bit vague
brisk badger
oh okay. so 4000 is more the APU's series?
fleet canopy
Well there's the 4700G, so I think so?
Let me check AMD's web
Oh so apparently the 4700G is running GTA5 and Death Stranding on high settings
abstract kite
Are APU's even worth the buy?
abstract kite
Isn't it part CPU too?
abstract kite
No me
fleet canopy
2:30AM, and I believe I said something wrong twice from tiredness
abstract kite
Oh you're in EST too?
brisk badger
probably great for office and some server application that may profit from gpu's but else i don't see it as interesting for gamers and workstations
abstract kite
I hear they can be used for a low budget gaming PC
fleet canopy
I guess it's less cost without a dedicated GPU
After all, I believe they are supposed to be very good APUs
abstract kite
I would just bet a GPU, Board and Processor.
fleet canopy
So gaming on it may not be tough at all, considering I've said the 4700G runs GTAV/Death Stranding
abstract kite
APU's are kinda silly
brisk badger
maybe plays a big role in asia where many people dont have their own pc but go to a place that has usually those types of pc's to play games
lilac geyser
lol ceo of linux
brisk badger
for so much money, the request is justified. he most likely will never need a dedicated gpu
probably this guy does not even work with a graphical user interface 😛
lilac geyser
the section of my motherboard manual about installing ram is titled"installing a memory"
always makes me laugh
lilac geyser
https://www.logicalincrements.com/ i like the design of the page
restive garnet
im honestly considering setting up a home server with a ryzen cpu, but the lack of an integrated gpu on most of the cpus im considering really kills me inside
or at least, availability on them is killing me
jade ermine
Got new cable today, Hopefully my amp will arrive aswell
merry bay
Afaik Zen 3 is still on course for this year. The 4000G APU's are just repurposed laptop parts that came out recently as variant for desktops
vapid crypt
Yeah technically speaking that's correct
jade ermine
And it did arrive, Happy me
snow rain
yo i just wanna ask i have a ryzen 5 3600 and i am running it on a fixed clock speed of 3900 mhz does that impact my gameplay in a bad way i have a rtx 2060 super, and does anyone else have sttuters while playing fortnite these days
vapid crypt
It could since I'm pretty sure the single core boost on a 3600 is 4200mhz
snow rain
but the reaching of 4.2 ghz the temps r high
and do u face sttuters in fortnite
these days
vapid crypt
I don't play that, so I wouldn't know
snow rain
alight
vapid crypt
What temps were you getting before?
brisk badger
Many of us love to help with problems. Many can do so only if the question is well written. Learn here on how to write a good technical question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
A computer can have more different states than the universe.
THere could be a correlation between your CPU not being able to reach 4200MHz and games stuttering (hint; thermal throttling)
vapid crypt
From what I got from him, he set the CPU's clocks to 3.9GHz because it was running hotter when it was boosting to 4.2GHz
I think an undervolt at stock with PBO would be better though, cause otherwise you're holding back performance
wheat gate
Hey Pros. I got an interesting issue. PC is intermittently freezing only when I'm interacting with it. And it will only freeze for a second or two before returning to normal. Sometimes the monitors connected might black out but again return to normal. There's no pattern, it occurs at random. I've run diagnostics on GPU, CPU, RAM and SSD that OS and games are running on. No issues. Been monitoring temps and they are stable and good. Checked Event viewer and it's not reporting any issues. I've removed the GPU and it still occurs. Have changed sata cables just in case, still the same issue persists. It's currently impossible for me to play games due to this. Any ideas to steer me in the right direction? Please and thank you!
abstract kite
@wheat gate When that was happening to me. I was given the advice to reseat my RAM and it stopped that from happening. For your Monitors do they make a pop noise when they flash?
wheat gate
Nah no real popping noise. Could be the ram sure, I've not thought of that, always something we overlook. I've ordered a new SSD as well as this one is going on 13 years now. Man... we've had consumer SSDs for that long already.
merry bay
I know this isn't helpful but could we see your SMART statistics for that drive. 13 years is truly outstanding, I'm very curious the numbers it amassed over the years.
As a shot in the dark, I'd try a different electrical outlet, one that's on a different breaker. Typically issues should be bigger if that was the crux though.
Or maybe try disabling c-states in your BIOS. For whatever reason poor voltage transitions could result in some stutters.
that wouldn't explain the monitor behaviour though
wheat gate
Don't really have an option to try a different electrical outlet. But your concerns about that are legit. We have massive power outages sometimes for days here. But I use a surge protector and during diagnosing changed to a new one, no difference in either. C-states already disabled. I actually did run smart and it was reporting 85% health. But let me see if I can gift you with a screenshot.
It's probably not going to be that impressive though haha
Smart details
Oh, only 6 years old. I forgot the old one died. This was a gift from the wife, nice to see it still chugging along. So only 6 years then. DAMN. So disappointed in myself now.
fleet canopy
Oof
wheat gate
Oh wow apparently there is a firmware update for this ssd. Do I even dare?
merry bay
It's still a trooper lasting 6 years. It's right around the point where it shouldn't be a surprise to see issues with it.
wheat gate
Never mind the update, the official software doesn't recognize the ssd. Hahaha
merry bay
Kinda rare for SSD firmware updates to cause trouble. Unless the power went out during it
wheat gate
In those cases I always update it externally and connected to a UPS.
I'll reseat the memory tomorrow. Thanks for the help! It's greatly appreciated.
merry bay
best of luck, hope it's something minor. Hoping the new SSD is enough.
wheat gate
I'll update once it's here. Might take a while. Everything moves slower in Africa.
proper wren
you better hang that OCZ ssd on a picture frame
abstract kite
I like your pfp, Poddy.
bitter estuary
bruh
atomic spire
<@&408548765599793173> ^^
vapid crypt
Why 
delicate musk
thanks
red sinew
Cheers for the report
atomic spire
yup
void perch
I'm committing a sin.. installing Java on my win server (which is really a sin in itself)
vapid crypt
Can't play the java version of minecraft without it
late sorrel
java is a sin
vapid crypt
The only good thing about Java is it reminds me of coffee... and Runescape 
void perch
See tinted gets me.
Only reason I need java is to run my bamboo remote build agent, which is so I can build a Windows app properly instead of locally on my PC. It literally had one job. Compile from python into a standalone app and upload to my repository for distribution.
void perch
There's just so many better things beyond java. I tried to refuse installing that and flash. Thankfully I haven't needed flash