You mean most of the senators and representatives who don't know how Facebook work?
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
torn ferry
restive garnet
im leaning towards computers in general, but yes
"Do you track devices that an individual who uses facebook has, that is connected to the device that they use for their facebook connection but not necessarily connected to facebook?"
restive garnet
"I'm not sure of the answer to that question"
just a polite way of saying wtf are you on about cunt
fleet canopy
Hah
torn ferry
What is the worst statement from a representative or senator who claims to know how the internet or computers work?
fleet canopy
Was the whole facebook thing just a bum thing or was there actually some significance to it?
restive garnet
im trying to find my favorite one atm, cant remember what it is tho
iirc, that was after the whole cambridge analytica thing
fleet canopy
"S-surprise mechanics"
restive garnet
and it was basically just them trying to justify why they get paid so much to sit around and do so little
as much as i dont like zuckerberg at times, rewatching his interviews, i feel really bad for him
restive garnet
but a lizard does
vapid crypt
restive garnet
lets be real, hes a lizard person
fleet canopy
lmao
vapid crypt
Certainly slimy and squirmy like one 
fleet canopy
Mm
restive garnet
"there have been reports that facebook can track a users internet browsing activity, even after that user has logged off of the facebook platform, can you confirm whether or not this is true?"
man, its like these guys havent even bothered doing a quick google search
torn ferry
Any more dumb statements?
restive garnet
plenty, im just to lazy to type them
i still love australias government tho
pauline hanson asking about the capability of australias new submarines, and then getting pissy when she gets told its classified information, all while publicly televised
fleet canopy
What part of the government was she?
restive garnet
foreign affairs, defence, and trade
fleet canopy
Well then it shouldn't be classified, no?
Except it was direct to the public buuuuuuuuuuuut
restive garnet
yes and no
restive garnet
they were state of the art submarines, by australian standards
fleet canopy
Ah
earnest rose
rip
restive garnet
iirc she was asking about how long they can stay submerged
and the admiral she was interviewing is like wtf
fleet canopy
Ah this is just one of the "I don't clearly know what they are" things
restive garnet
very much so
i just love the interjection part way through of "you dont get to decide whats classified"
fleet canopy
Ass jack man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-lMIGV-dUI
"Does google know thing me move"
Impressive that it seems google got a bunch of shit on them
And then something something iPhone with google
void perch
hnnnng my server will be delivered on Thursday. Right before holiday weekend, great time to do a new build and migrations
ashen nimbus
nice, new servers are always fun. whats your plans.
void perch
So I already have one server - 20 cores, 192 gb ram which has about a dozen VM's on it. The plan is to setup this 2nd server in a secondary mode. So essentially one server w/ VM's is primary, 2nd w/ VM's is secondary so if one server fails, the secondary takes over. it'll allow me to do physical server maintenance, etc easier.
I also want to eventually migrate one server to another location, but that is a long ways off. this would allow me to have the infrastructure in place to allow that to happen
fleet canopy
hnnnngh
ashen nimbus
nice, yeah i have alot of equipment in storage, hope to have a house in a few years to have my own full setup. I am down to my main rig and a old rig i have that i run some stuff off of. You are nice and setup to do alot of fun stuff at home. while the cloud is great and tech will push that way, i do perfer to have my own stuff on prem for alot of different reason, but i just love tactile and the ability of full control myself.
void perch
don't get me wrong GCP is really nice, I have stuff there. I had at godaddy, moved to hivelocity (loved them, but expensive). Then moved to GCP which is nice for spinning up and destroying VM's as needed. I might keep a couple things there as a front-end for load balancing purposes but I got 2 servers (20 cores, 192 GB ram, 30 TB HDD | 24 cores, 192 GB ram, 8 TB SSD) for about $6,000 total which is a fuckin steal. I have a half-rack, unifi gear, gigabit fiber, UPS, generator. I've got the whole works.
But I also host a slew of apps, bots, websites, databases, etc. so I have a need for it all.
ashen nimbus
amazing, that is more then a fuckin steal mate, that a massacre. I need your hook up lol. Yeah i have played around with GCP,AWS, and azure. I have settled on azure more out of my work, then personal preference. you ever done folding at home?
void perch
did F@H type stuff a long time ago, but my personal/dev machine is more for development and some gaming, then servers all work related. I got them from Amazon - their refurbished line. They have some really nice r720 and r730's. Both of mine are 730xd's.
ashen nimbus
makes sense, was just curious on your thoughts on F@H. Nice yeah the main thing i have packed up is a r740, i was super lucky walked onto a new job site my company bought, old client left piles of stuff that was going to be junked if no one took it. I walked away happy and arms full.
void perch
damn, what are the specs of the 740? they are really solid machines.
ashen nimbus
honestly, i dont 100% remember because its packed up for the past 6 months. the harddrives were all degaussed so i have to get new ones. i know it atleast had 16 cores and 128GB ram.
void perch
that's not bad
ashen nimbus
for free its great, plus i have a lot of projects i will expand to it when i do get it setup, but for now i dont see the need of expanding beyond
i would love to set it up, but the APT i moved into is smaller then I thought, had to move blind bc of covid, I already take up enough of the space i do have that my fiancee would have some words
ashen nimbus
goals right their, btw love the hat
yeah i have my test rig, that host a couple things on one side under my desk, and my main rig on the other and i am toasty for sure. put in a 980ti a week ago and now i have an extra 2 degrees under my desk. I just hope i dont burn it all out long term
btw is that a 20U rack with caster wheels on the bottom?
because if it is that is the ideal size i am looking for for my final build when i get a house, and if it is i like a link and an opinion (not that to many racks aredifferent then others)
void perch
So it's a 22U, with casters, locking, etc. StarTech is really nice, but also pricey, any good quality rack is. But this is the one I got, same one my buddy has too: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IZ95CQ
ashen nimbus
thats not a bad price from what i have been researching, i found a navepoint i have had my eye on for 20U thats a little under that price. but i have never used it as a brand, so i am still tossing up if the couple hundred i save is worth it.
how do you feel about the wheels, i have never had a rack mobile, and have hear the horror stories of casters giving out and damaging product or worst taking a foot
void perch
well the wheels lock so it can prevent movement. the thing is heavy, so you want wheels, unless it's going in a spot that has plenty of room on all sides
ashen nimbus
yeah i am on the fence, wheels sound nice, but i am really unsure if i care enought about the mobility, because at the end of the day in a SOHO enviroment i would not have any specail tools to help me move it so i still be unracking most stuff to move it
void perch
I'm only using the 11 out of 13 static IP's I have already, but with the new server I'll need more.
ashen nimbus
i hate talking to isp about this stuff, never easy
void perch
Well it depends where you plan to put the rack. Is it going to be in a closet and only front entrance and no way to get at the side/back. Will be be in an open space in the basement where you can walk around all sides? You'll need to take the sides or open the back to mount stuff, so depends if you can get around it
ashen nimbus
yeah, i am still to far out from where i will own to make a decision now, but i like to have an idea of what i want to do. more then likely i put it in the basement, so the wheels would only help with access in the basement and not moving it from location to location.
void perch
yeah for me the wheels are nice so I can turn it in my apt to get access to the sides/back since it's up against 2 walls
ashen nimbus
yeah i end up putting it in the corner more then likely. have you made and modifications to the case you own?
rack case
void perch
no, but i plan to add some more LED's at some point
beyond that, no real need. it has 4 strong posts, stuff can be mounted on either side, openings on top and bottom both sides for cables to come in and out. locks on side and front/back panels
ashen nimbus
nice, well i got to run. ttyl
late sorrel
doc, did you snort the rgb powder again
void perch
it's 6 pm
and i'm on call tomorrow at 8 am, so making most of my last night for the next week
void perch
my secretary is aware and told me to be responsible
lilac geyser
what are you on call for?
void perch
work
late sorrel
you had better drink some 99.97%water afterwards tho
fleet canopy
His robot certification
void perch
means if there's an application / system issue, I get paged and need to answer. if I don't my secondary does, and that's not a good look, if he doesn't our manager does. that's bad.
me talking to the chat rep:
me gets call from att "hi i'm calling because you haven't responded to the rep"
me: I just responded 30 secconds ago and have been consistently
lilac geyser
void perch
i think your gfx card might be having issues
lilac geyser
just discord
late sorrel
your graphics card is having some issues
lilac geyser
nope just discord
late sorrel
check your drivers just in case?
proper wren
Mmm D0c using Ubiquiti networking
late sorrel
void perch
uniquiti is love. ubuquity is life
proper wren
Too bad the store sells it as special order
lilac geyser
amd did design the 64bit version of x86, so i guess its true
i think intel used to have to pay amd to make 64bit cpus
proper wren
9900k suddenly $679 when it was onlt $600 last week hmmm
lilac geyser
linux distros still call it amd64, even if you are using an intel chip
fleet canopy
9900K has probably stopped being produced if it's like that
But then again
At least that only makes the 3900X an even more viable option at this point
thin kayak
anyone know about the discord screen share? been having audio issues. as in there is none
abstract kite
for some reason audio usually only works when you share the specific application and not the entire screen
torn ferry
Is there a reason Payday 2 will not launch?
For 5 seconds after hitting the play button, the Running status appears, no window opens, and then the Running status is gone and the play button reverts.
eternal cairn
Try quitting Steam and relaunching it.
old patrol
What happend yo your mod role
old patrol
Oof
torn ferry
I tried that and it didn't work.
eternal cairn
Try verifying the game files through Steam.
Right click the game > Properties... > Local Files > Verify Integrity of Game Files
torn ferry
That too didn't work.
eternal cairn
Is it showing up in Task Manager when you click the Play button?
torn ferry
No.
eternal cairn
Do you have any antivirus installed?
torn ferry
Bitdefender.
eternal cairn
Try disabling it and then relaunching the game.
torn ferry
Should I add it as an exception?
eternal cairn
Unless you can exclude the whole folder, but it might be better to disable it for now. I've had issues where I whitelist stuff with my antivirus, but it still gets caught anyway.
torn ferry
And when I try to open the exe directly, it says I am missing a dll called MSVCR120
eternal cairn
Oh, it sounds like you're missing Visual C++.
torn ferry
Which one do I get?
bright shard
c++ runtime.
eternal cairn
I would just try uninstalling and reinstalling the game so it prompts you with the correct version you need.
torn ferry
I tried that already.
torn ferry
It worked.
lilac geyser
payday2 and gtfo are the same game
carry bags of money/dead babies
open doors with drills/scans
lilac geyser
keep cops/sleepers from killing you
lilac geyser
literally the same
fleet canopy
Yeah but the gameplay is very different
lime lagoon
they aren't exactly the same
fleet canopy
Payday 2, you have like miles of ammo everywhere, so much running, hyper shit
lime lagoon
skill points to invest in
lilac geyser
i'm just waiting for the update that forces john wick into a spacesuit as a playable character
fleet canopy
GTFO takes it to monsters, the majority being regular weaklings, stealth always a priority otherwise that's just Payday the heist Overkill difficulty, and definitely more planning to it, not just "Go do shit"
lilac geyser
wait, are you telling me they literally arent the same game?
lime lagoon
yes
vapid crypt
Its certainly more nuanced than described
lilac geyser
no no no, they have to be, both have sentry guns
fleet canopy
Much more slow paced, going guns blazing is just suicide, and you really have to plan and do teamwork
fleet canopy
Yes but it's much slower paced
vapid crypt
Though I'll admit, I would love a Payday tie in where it turns out The Warden is actually Bain
fleet canopy
You're not gonna expect jumping around, without intense planning in GTFO
It's just you have to really take it a lot slower than even what Payday 2 stealth would do
lime lagoon
"guys the neonate, go get it"
fleet canopy
hah
lilac geyser
yeah, i swear i heard that
fleet canopy
"Guys, the drill. Go get it."
lime lagoon
they just port over all the Payday 2 voice lines
vapid crypt
Not needed when we have Bain himself already
fleet canopy
Absolutely
vapid crypt
Simon Viklund is Bain if you didn't already know
lilac geyser
"your not going to last much longer with all those sleepers around"
lime lagoon
when are we gonna be able to take sleepers as hostages
fleet canopy
Where's the body bag?
lime lagoon
and "be careful with sleepers around, it gets expensive real fast"
fleet canopy
Notable difference, explosives
Only explosives are tripmines really
Don't see why we can't have a bit more on terms of explosives tbf
Like a small, makeshift grenade
lime lagoon
I don't think the devs want you to be able to throw things to take out groups of sleepers
which is why you place mines with the mine deployer so you can't really spam it
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
A rare grenade wouldn't hurt things too badly I think
fleet canopy
And otherwise, a trip mine is already a weak explosive, but does enough
Unless it actually kills
A small radius explosive grenade, would make it fair
Or just have it stagger the enemies
lilac geyser
you have proven my point
lime lagoon
your point of what?
lilac geyser
someone even suggested you get your own cell (safehouse) to customize in game-suggestions
lime lagoon
that doesn't mean payday and GTFO are the same
bright shard
tbh, i'd like if the trip mine item had a larger range than the regular mines.
lilac geyser
Suggestion from hovsep#3200 (202863069360160769)
it would be nice to have your own cell (since you are a prisoner) and be able to costumize it like add a radio or posters on the walls using money that you receive from succesfull expeditions
fleet canopy
It's supposed to be weak anyways I guess
vapid crypt
All that says is there are people that want similar features from Payday
fleet canopy
It'd just honestly be nice to have a little bit of explosives that only stagger
Would be a neat thing overall, stagger them for a max of like
3 seconds
And with more rarity than other items
lime lagoon
like an air cannon or something
lilac geyser
i want to see the stack of money in my cell from past expeditions
lime lagoon
I wonder if the prisoners even get paid
bright shard
i'd like completing the rundown to give you a sandbox area where you can spawn things.
fleet canopy
I honestly believe they're Russian prisoners tbh
vapid crypt
Russian?
fleet canopy
There's a lot of English onto it
But it'd be a neater kind of uhh
Feel to it if they were russians
Because after all
lime lagoon
I'd like something like a sandbox, but it shouldn't be unlocked for completing the rundown
fleet canopy
What does Russia not have?
vapid crypt
I don't recall reading anything about the lore than involved Russians
fleet canopy
There's nothing on anything not English so it's kinda meh
But still a neat environment nonethless
eternal cairn
Isn't this #pc-build-help-and-tech-talk?
lilac geyser
too bad your're not a mod anymore...
vapid crypt
It is, I was gonna mention that this shouldn't turn into GTFO chat but 
fleet canopy
Meh
lilac geyser
srry nazo, cheap shot
lime lagoon
I only just realised that
lilac geyser
but how much time does being a mod here really require?
eternal cairn
I genuinely thought Discord bugged out and I was actually in #gtfo-chat. LOL
vapid crypt
Well back on topic, those new 3000XT chips. Not very special from what we can tell for the moment, though there was talk of them and the new APUs coming out next week will allow the infinity fabric clock to get to 2000mhz and possibly OC to 2100
lilac geyser
i meant from earlier when nazo said he didnt have the tim eto be a mod anymore
how much time is actually expected
eternal cairn
I signed an NDA, so I can't say. 🤷♂️
I'm hoping the new GPUs will result in the 2000 series becoming more affordable, but it would be even better if AMD actually posed a threat to Nvidia.
vapid crypt
There's a lot of info that points that to being the case though
At the very least, they're beating a 2080ti by 30%. There's been leaks of an Nvidia card doing the same, of course we don't know the identity of these cards
eternal cairn
Yeah, but for AMD to beat Nvidia, they have beat whatever their new GPUs are by that margin.
vapid crypt
Considering the node shrink, clock increases and the 3080 having the same amount of Cuda cores; I could believe a 30% increase on that one alone
lilac geyser
ohh there's more to nvidia's lunacy in naming (we previously talked about the 3xxx naming scheme), turns out ampere is the name of a tech company that is also releasing computing hardware soon
so when you see 'ampere 80 core ARM chips for cloud computing' dont get confused
vapid crypt
Well using the 2080ti just makes sense as a measurement for the moment, since it is currently the best one to compare to. Obviously Nvidia's new stuff will be compared to it as well
eternal cairn
I know, but I'm just saying that's what needs to happen.
vapid crypt
Though I agree, AMD would need a solid 50 - 60% leap over a 2080ti to likely compete with these cards
At the same time, I don't think Navi 2 will be the one to do it
I think Navi 3 will
Third time's the charm, its exactly how Ryzen went
fleet canopy
Haha, probablyt
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Alright, July the 1st is here. What's the surprise?
abstract kite
It's 4:35am here.
You should tell me.
@fleet canopy @fleet canopy @fleet canopy
;))))))))))))))))))))))))
fleet canopy
Bum
fleet canopy
bum tech meme
Top comment is "One of my friends is doing exactly this."
Xeon 5148 👀
mmm
Now I never knew Apple made reverse curved monitors
But this
Is sexy
fleet canopy
Macbook falls off a luggage trolley, and driven over by a catering truck at an airport
fleet canopy
I see like
More apple than anything else in general in this hardware gore subreddit
How To Clean A GPU
earnest rose
Power cell?
abstract kite
Is that how you clean a GPU, Muppy?
abstract kite
...
fleet canopy
So it must be true
abstract kite
I agree
fleet canopy
Like
abstract kite
Gonna clean my 5700XT right now
abstract kite
I hear that some computers are submerged in water.
abstract kite
Hell I hear Google is trying to use the Ocean as a huge coolent.
late sorrel
well
fleet canopy
lmao
late sorrel
you can’t
late sorrel
if electric go zappt sappy
fleet canopy
Basically used water, with something else to make it non conductive
proper wren
B550 finally arrived in BC Canada 
fleet canopy
neat
abstract kite
Let us know how it is, @proper wren .
bright shard
anyone know why the settings panel is greyed out?
bright shard
but im able to do it to other executables without setting compatability mode
restive garnet
just realized i never actually posted my comment from before, submerged PCs usually use either deionized water or a non conductive mineral oil, but deionized water needs to be replaced semi frequently, and oil is virtually impossible to get off components, so its a pain in the ass to reuse
as for your issue clay, not quite sure
bright shard
does not help that plastic is generally non-polar, and mineral oil is also generally non-polar.
so the oil dissolves into the plastic and rubber and weakens it.
so the pc basically falls apart in a few years.
bright shard
iirc there was a special oil that could be used, and was long term stable, but man, it was probably pretty expensive
restive garnet
yeah, and also begs the question of "why?"
bright shard
the answer would be "because"
restive garnet
i used to know a guy who had a submerged comp, built out of parts that didnt work
bright shard
a game hit that with me once, i felt betrayed.
restive garnet
like, they would all power up, fans would spin, but no post
all outdated stuff
so he just left it running for about 3 years
bright shard
man, imagine if you didnt bench the build before submerging.
restive garnet
not doing anything, just a showpiece
coz he owned a little computer shop
sort of mostly consultancy stuff
handled backups and other tech support for small businesses
bright shard
wait, so he built it expressly for the purpose of display?
restive garnet
more or less
one of his clients gave him a bunch of outdated parts that didnt really work
bright shard
shoulda just used DI water.
restive garnet
probably only cost him like 100 bucks to do the whole thing
got a second hand fish tank, and the parts were all free
probably only paid for the oil
the guy really loved his show pieces
his office was basically a shrine to starwars lego
had a full meter long star destroyer
halcyon apex
So gtfo brings my gpu to 80°C
| [CPU][i5-3470]
| [MOBO][ASUSTeK BM6630_BM6330_BP6230]
| [RAM][Timetec 16gb (2x8) DDR3 1333Hz]
| [Storage][Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 500GB]
| [GPU][AMD Radeon rx570 8GB GDDR5]
| [Power Supply][Xilence 530W XP530R8 80+ Bronze certificate]
| [OS][Microsoft Windows 10 64bit]
| [Keyboard][AUKEY LED-Backlit 105-Key Wired Mechanical blue-switch keyboard Model KM-G6]
| [Mouse][BAD Magic Eagle Wired gaming mouse Model HV-MS672]
| [Headset][Logitech G430 Surround sound gaming headset]
| [Montior][BAD HP Compaq LA1951g 60Hz 1280x1024p]
| [Desk][Angle desk (https://imgur.com/lPRt8oj)]
thats my build atm
these are my settings
and after i start a game it goes up to 80°C
brisk badger
idk how one can help you with that info
better if you tell us what temps you normally have (for games that may be as demanding as GTFO)
next kelp
found out why my computer was running a bit slow
I had the RAM plugged into 1-2 rather that 1-3
halcyon apex
@brisk badger in say gta 5 all maxed out
i dont go over 65
before gtfo the max i ever got playing games was 70
dense wasp
some building at the office today
late sorrel
smh, that ram isn’t social distancing
jade ermine
Noctuas, FE card, Fractal case
Im liking it
Or it seems like a fractal case, Not 100% sure lol
brisk badger
I am not sure but i think the air throuhput is less with two fans so close to each other, especially since they are different size(on the left side). I would just remove the fan on the case and send it to a guy called "wooza" here on discord
void perch
it's like the nether Tinted, 1/4 inch is 6 feet.
dense wasp
@brisk badger haha, I could move the left giant one to the right side
Maybe would make more sense
@jade ermine fractal case, aye
It’s a define C
3800x, 2080ti FE, 32GB 3600mhz Ram
void perch
Chrome goes om nom nom nom
brisk badger
and it makes sweet love
worthy oasis
oof
dense wasp
Chrome loves that ram
void perch
good thing i have a server arriving tomorrow w/ 192 GB of it. Can open a few more tabs
dense wasp
I am also building a 3600x, 16gb ram, rx 5700
It as chunky as the one above
Still, a really solid rig
proper wren
Noctua is life
fading fulcrum
is there a newbie channel?
fleet canopy
@next kelp Not in the 2nd and 4th RAM slot? Is it different for your motherboard?
fleet canopy
I thought it had to specifically be 2nd and 4th for dual channel support
fleet canopy
Ah
fleet canopy
kek
next kelp
for a fucking book
fleet canopy
Have fun
noble zealot
Can I get the stickers that come with the stuff? I like stickers.
river thistle
That card is like twice the size of everything else lol
fleet canopy
Other than that, it's an obvious meme anyways
"Ok, to clarify: this is a meme post, not everyone is getting the joke lol, I have a 2080 ti from my main rig and wanted to see if it would fit into a motherboard from 2006. Might do a bench"
river thistle
Nice
vapid crypt
Just imagine how limited it will be from PCIE gen 1
abstract kite
Alrighty got a 2TB HDD.
I went with the WD Black... Fuck the lawsuit, if it doesn't crash it's good for me xD
mint beacon
Anyone think its worth to upgrade from a 2070 super to a 3070 super when it comes out?
fleet canopy
If it does 1080p 144/240 or 1440p 144hz well for you, then I don't think it would matter so much
vapid crypt
The 3070 will likely be on par with the 2080ti, at least within 5% of one in terms of game performance
mint beacon
Also thinking of upgrading to 4700x when it comes out from my 9700k
fleet canopy
However if you wanted to upgrade nonetheless or it is not performing too well, I'd definitely recommend seeing how those perform, perhaps a 3080 might do very well
vapid crypt
Actually that will not exist, they're relegating that to the 4700G
Which is coming out next week I think
fleet canopy
A 4700G? Hm
vapid crypt
Its a Zen 2 APU
fleet canopy
So why an APU?
mint beacon
^
late sorrel
because laptops
vapid crypt
So its clear to me that AMD want to upsell 8 cores for atleast another generation, that's what the 3800X was supposed to be. But with the 3700X around it didn't matter
fleet canopy
So it will be a 4700G and a 4800X?
vapid crypt
So segmenting last gen silicon as they usually do with APUs, there will be a significant difference between the 4700G and a 4800X
Justifying the 399 price tag they will most likely have it at again
The 4700G will basically be a 3700X with onboard graphics
That's about it.
stable wyvern
Well that and it's a play to force Intel to compete along those lines. Given the poor yields Intel has, it's less profitable
Overall superior product line at better price forces intel to compete with lower profitability. It's a flip of situations
vapid crypt
Rocket Lake will be... okay. Alder Lake should be decent since they're finally bringing 10nm to desktop consumers. Its a question if its too late, but from leaks it sounds like it will be promising with what they're doing with it.
Which if anyone's curious, it seems they're going to be using different quality cores; up to 16 cores. So the first 8 cores will be the best quality with hyperthreading, and the other half of the cores being of lower quality and without hyperthreading. So 16c/24t kinda weird; but it can work considering the first 8 cores would pull most of the weight and the smaller cores will just be for background stuff.
dense wasp
Hm - would there be a big difference for a 2080ti to be put in the 4x PCIe lane, instead of the 16x?
brisk badger
is it pcie 4.0?
fleet canopy
PCIe 3.0 x8, 7880MB/s
PCIe 3.0 x16, 15760MB/s
PCIe 4.0 x8, 15752MB/s
PCIe 4.0 x16, 31504MB/s
So half the bandwidth
With an MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X
Aside from this
I'd imagine it's a bigger difference when it comes to a 2080 Ti
dense wasp
It just hit me today
fleet canopy
That it's on x8?
dense wasp
That I haven’t even checked what lane I’m using in my powerrig 😂
ornate ginkgo
@dense wasp 99,9%: If it'S the upper one it's 16x
ornate ginkgo
@fleet canopy what CPU did they use?
fleet canopy
The 1080 one, i7-5930K
ornate ginkgo
i see.
void perch
We are happy to report that the RTX 2080 Ti is finally able to overwhelm PCIe gen 3.0 x8, posting a small but tangible 2%–3% performance gain when going from gen 3.0 x8 to gen 3.0 x16, across resolutions. Granted, these are single-digit percentage differences, and you won't be able to notice them in regular gameplay, but graphics card makers expect you to pay like $100 premiums for factory overclocks that fetch essentially that much more performance out of the box. The performance difference isn't nothing, just like with those small out-of-the-box performance gains, but such small differences are impossible to notice in regular gameplay.
fleet canopy
Pfft
void perch
fleet canopy
The Verge is 100% correct
ornate ginkgo
xD
void perch
So that sounds like anything above a PCIe x8 won't make a huge difference
fleet canopy
Any pcie lane is perfect, doesn't matter
Playing with a 2070 Super in the very bottom
void perch
So PCIe3 x8, x16, or PCIe4 x8 is fine
ornate ginkgo
I mean. Do people even know what these lanes mean? Nowadays with all these cores... I mean the lanes are just the "split parts" of the CPU that are used for the lanes.
fleet canopy
Getting 40FPS in Metro Exodus with max graphics, RTX maxed
ornate ginkgo
and tbh: 4FPS are not that bad. Specially if you use the x16 for something different, but not many use it anyways. And with the good chipsets that are build in, even in the "cheap" motherboards, it is no wonder it's getting easier and easier to do the right thing when it comes to building a PC.
fleet canopy
4FPS, hm
ornate ginkgo
And most time the expensive motherboards are so overloaded with features 90% of people never use it's no wonder it makes no difference :D
dense wasp
I’ll check where I have it to start with
ornate ginkgo
I don't have all the numbers in my head. But it's really not a lot difference. the "most" difference is the downstreaming of data when loading, like in GTAV or open world games in general, but with this game it is "old" (yeah... i know). And with todays hardware it makes no difference
"oh wait, i use my on board gpu"-Ludvig :P
i had a person that had a 2080 in #gtfo-technical-support and i tried to find out why his GPU isn't working. With the language barrier (he was french... and we don't talk about my english) it was time consuming, but i asked for a picture of his backside from his PC. I saw that he had the safety caps on the GPU... for over two years... it was an amazing experience
fleet canopy
The what?
lilac geyser
the important part is to use the pcie lanes that are connected to the cpu, not the chipset lanes
ornate ginkgo
wait, that still exists nowadays?
fleet canopy
What do ya mean safety cap???
ornate ginkgo
@fleet canopy when you buy a new graphics card, and most when you buy a full pc, there are little caps on the outputs to protect them. They are made out of plastic.
lilac geyser
dust caps
ornate ginkgo
Yeah, and with some people that have no idea of technic it can be hard... but it's always nice when you can help someone and he's just thankful.
merry bay
I don't see anything wrong with keeping those dust caps in. Cleaner ports that aren't used is a win in my book.
lilac geyser
it's bad when all the gpu ports are covered XD
merry bay
Ah right, it was such a big mistake I assumed it's impossible 
ornate ginkgo
Naw, if i had a car i would be at the same position. I would be like "well, this wheel does not look like the others...."
"lavars... that's the steering wheel 🤦♂️ "
"ohhh... so it's for the front"
vapid crypt
The high end chipsets tend to have full bandwidth slots
Where as the more budget chipsets will only have full bandwidth on the top slot
lilac geyser
do the cpus have 2x pcie 16x though?
dense wasp
I have a 3950x, if that doesn't support it, I don't know what does 😛
vapid crypt
So how it works is the cpu will handle a certain amount of PCIE lanes
The chipset will handle any extra
lilac geyser
the 3950 might, but not all cpus have that many
vapid crypt
So typically you get 20 - 24 lanes
lilac geyser
chipset provides the rest like demo said
vapid crypt
On the CPU
All Zen 2 parts have 24 lanes
So a 3600 has the same amount of lanes as a 3950x
An exception would be threadripper, if you want more you get more with that
Wow 88 lanes
That's pretty cool
late sorrel
yeah, wasn’t that an issue with the 3980x
that it was basically an epyc chip sans the lanes
void perch
My new server has 2 of these CPU's which support 40 PCIe lanes each... https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/81713/intel-xeon-processor-e5-2690-v3-30m-cache-2-60-ghz.html
vapid crypt
3990X, but yeah pretty much. Actually its not just the lanes its also RAM support
It doesn't support huge RAM dims like EPYC so you're limited to like 256GB max even though theoretically 2tb should be possible
I'm pretty sure the upper limit on RAM for for EPYC is 4tb, so even if the 3990X could support 2tb it really wouldn't be a big deal. Half the ram support and I think like half the lane support is different enough
Oh its 128 vs 88 lanes... eh I mean that's significant enough still
lilac geyser
demonimo, so if ludvigs board has 2 16x slots, (32 lanes) and the cpu has 24 lanes, that must mean 1 of those 16x slots are chipset lanes
?
vapid crypt
I did some reading, turns out Ryzen has 32 lanes on the die itself; but the socket limits it to 24 lanes. That's kind of irrelevant, but yeah I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Course I also read that 4 lanes go to the chipset whatever that means, so I could be entirely wrong. I think if both pci-e lanes are utilized, it splits the bandwidth
lilac geyser
well what ever the configuration, the important part is the gfx card goes on cpu lanes
sick reef
It splits the lanes between the PCIe lanes and the PCH lanes.
As to have bandwith to run basic USB and I/O features.
As well as M.2 and SATA
lilac geyser
on x570, there are 24 lanes on cpu, 16 for graphics, and 4 for storage options, and 4 for the chipset
i'm not sure how but the chipset turns those 4 lanes into 12, must be some kind of switching, which is why you dont want to use those for graphics
vapid crypt
Since the bandwidth is split between both PCIE slots when they're both used, it adds up
4700GE is hitting 2166 on the infinity fabric clock. That's 1:1 with 4333mhz RAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHITEy9pHmY
Ah as it turns out, it is a single die. Which makes sense cause of it being an APU. This could be a glimpse at what Zen 3 will be like though.
torn ferry
Who is the worst tech Youtuber channel?
vapid crypt
I don't actively rate channels in a tier list so I wouldn't know
bright shard
anyone that does pure unboxing.
also niestat mabye.
vapid crypt
TBH I only know of what he looks like, his name and that Hillary Clinton meme. Outside of that I know nothing about him or why he's so popular
muted relic
Yo where the new GPUs and CPUs bois y'all be lying
limpid bone
true, im still waiting
merry bay
soon™
muted relic
I was trying to build a PC but geek squad over here told me to wait
AKA everyone here
merry bay
If you still have a working machine, I'd still say wait. Especially since it's so much closer now
Unless you're able to afford to upgrade every year or two. Then there's not much to hold out for
limpid bone
damn you don't think thats what everyone is doing right now
wouldn't the new stuff be sold out 😦
then still be waiting
muted relic
See you made cornpuff mad
limpid bone
can one of yall get me one of the new gpu's and cpu's ill venmo lol
stable wyvern
Just get highest tier stuff. Use for 5 years. I used to get top tier stuff at end of life from previous generation on the cheap. Use 8-10 years
I was using an athlon 3200+ until 2016. Then i upgraded to threadripper 1950x
torn ferry
@bright shard TechSource due to his fake giveaways and how he faked a robbery?
bright shard
Interesting, ill look into it.
brisk badger
If you live in the US, consider sign the petition against EARN IT Act: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/oppose-earn-it-act/
abstract kite
So
I put my new HDD in, but it is not showing up? I supplied it with power from the PSU and put it in the "SATA 2" in my MOBO.
sick reef
Have you looked in Device Manager?
abstract kite
Is this what I am looking for?
brisk badger
YOu need to initialize your HDD young padawan 🙂
type in windows bar "computer managment"
then go to disk managment or whatever it's called
you will see your disk that are in use by windows as blue, and the one you got will be black and probably unformatted
right click: create new partition or whatever it's called
choose and GPT not MBR if you can
brisk badger
select GPT (MBR only detects disk's up to 2TB. GPT is newer, MBR is very old)
👍
make quick format
not the normal one
else you gonna wait hours
fleet canopy
What's the difference to choosing a quick versus a normal formatting?
brisk badger
@abstract kite may need to assign the drive a letter
right click on it
the difference of them is:
abstract kite
Would it be called "System"?
brisk badger
Change Drive Letter it should be called
do it on the long bar, not where it says DIsk 1
abstract kite
brisk badger
quick format:
THe files on the disk (if there were any) will still be there, but the HDD pretends it's empty and new files will just overwrite the old ones
formatting:
everything that was on the disk will be erased with 0 so there won't be any data left. That's good if you want to give this disk to someone etc. It's not super secure, you still can maybe recover files but much harder
yes go to Disk 1, click on the black bar where it says unallocated
right click "format"
don't do it on system 🙂
when formatting, choose quick format
abstract kite
When I right click on Disk one is does not give me a format button.
abstract kite
brisk badger
you did format it 
this is disk, this you can ignore
a bit right of it, is the black bar where it says 1863.00GB and Unallocated
abstract kite
brisk badger
"New simple volume" it's called then
sick reef
All the other options are just RAID options.
brisk badger
yep
brisk badger
yep, press yes yes
well read it quickly
you probably can now define the partitions
like if you want a 2TB disk or if you want to make it a 1TB + 1TB and so on
abstract kite
My Main Drive is "C" would putting this drive to say A affect anything?
sick reef
It can be technically anything.
abstract kite
THis is a 2TB Disk
brisk badger
it's not good practice to assign disks to lower than C
A is reserved to floppy disks :p
brisk badger
B idk what it could be
yep that's great
there is some programs, probably old ones which may get mad if a drive is on A: but today it surely would work
just to be safe
brisk badger
yup, can also "do not format" but it doesn't matter
you can name your drive as well
else yo ucan do that in "Computer" window
right click on the drive
abstract kite
cri's
fleet canopy
I don't exactly know why
last summit
It's because of the way bytes are calculated.
abstract kite
I should sue
last summit
And they would say the drive technically has a capacity of 2,000,381,014,016 bytes and then take all your money in court and lawyer fees.
sick reef
Until they interlace the drives, of course.
abstract kite
Alright. Now I need to know how to move items over to the new drive
Such as Steam and all my games
sick reef
It would depend on the game.
abstract kite
Really?
sick reef
Some games do their addressing weirdly, or are allocated to other places on other drives, or on the same drive, but requires that association to stay the same. When it come to steam, you can reinstall them onto a install folder on the new drive, and that should always work, when it comes to external games, if they are self-contained, it should work. When it comes to games with installers, it might work, but it isn't certain
brisk badger
steam has an easy option
at work pc so i can't navigate but you first have to define a new steam gaming library somewhere in the options
then you can right click on the game and go to properties or press "Move files"
i don't know how it will work with other games that are not installed by steam
most of those DRM's have surely a similar technique
brisk badger
yep just a tad annoying if you have many games you want to move
abstract kite
I'll move them as I gp
Not all at once
But my D Drive is now my default install folder
Thank you guys!
brisk badger
np, have fun 🙂
void perch
new server arrived. not sure i can wait til I'm done working to start setting it up
fleet canopy
Haha
ashen nimbus
true, let us know how it goes
ashen nimbus
She is a bute
fleet canopy
3600XT
void perch
6 cores, 3.8 ghz, not bad.
fleet canopy
Yeah, and I think there was some other minor extras, adding to the nicer bonus
"Discrete Graphics Card Required"
vapid crypt
Its a 3600X using a better silicon, a more refined 7nm process If you will and boosting 100mhz higher
fleet canopy
Came just now, was way earlier than I thought it was going to be
Motherboard hasn’t come yet though
A little bit disappointing it didn't, but I totally don't mind
Supposed to be coming on Friday
Which thankfully is tomorrow
So it won't be sitting useless for too long, aside from the RAM haha
proper wren
3900xt not allowed to show
fleet canopy
Well I'll just assume they didn't allow it to be shown off just yet then
ashen nimbus
all these ryzens makes me want to do my new build now
fleet canopy
Haha
I'm just about like
Mostly done with upgrading it lol
I was originally planning to get a 3600, but I'm not one of those yearly upgraders
And the RAM is 32GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS16
Was pretty neat a deal imo
ashen nimbus
yeah my main rig is hitting 6 years, so i am planning my new build next year. only thing i have been updating is my gpu, which is all i need on my main rig
fleet canopy
Considering before it was about 140$
ashen nimbus
thats nice, i am glad that prices are going back to better prices for SSD and ram
ashen nimbus
yeah, well we can only hope that will be the price of a 5Tb in a year here
fleet canopy
In a year? That seems kinda short
Unless the price changed drastically over a year for SSD, I don't think that's the case
ashen nimbus
lol yeah more dreaming, but probs closer to 3 years
fleet canopy
I guess
Didn't see too big of a difference compared with the GTX 1000 vs RTX 2000/Super
Except RTX
Sure, the performance has been better over time, but the 1080 Ti is pretty much between a 2070 Super and a 2080 without RTX
Might even pass 2080 if you're gonna overclock it
void perch
The 12 TB HDD's I buy dropped $30 in price. nice
fleet canopy
Only disappointment is I still do not have my AM4 stuff for my DRP4
void perch
fleet canopy
It went poof gone, so the DRP4 is useless when I finally get the motherboard, cause it just chills in my 7700K with fucking 70-83 celsius for unknown reasons. Perhaps not good installing or the paste gone shit
Choosing the monitor is gonna be uhh
Something
I'll just have to think of grabbing a 1080p 144Hz, a 1440p 144hz, or a 1080p 240Hz
proper wren
Well I'll just assume they didn't allow it to be shown off just yet then
@fleet canopy
I was too lazy to show it at the shelf. Is massive
fleet canopy
kek
dense wasp
Nice @proper wren
void perch
this'll be fun. going to be re-ip'ing about 15 servers
torn ferry
What is the recommended program to open .7z files with?
void perch
torn ferry
Do I download the 19.00 or the 20.00 Alpha version?
earnest rose
im runnin 19
fleet canopy
#gtfo-technical-support Might do more good than this channel
storm gate
Shit my bad, thank you
fleet canopy
It's alright
abstract kite
this'll be fun. going to be re-ip'ing about 15 servers
@void perch he said it'd be fun too
void perch
yeah.. somehow all networking broke. like I can ping my gateway and esxi vmkernel nic but can't ping externally
void perch
oh did i mention that ipv6 works, ipv4 doesn't even though basically everywhere i've turned off ipv6? yeah, fun times
abstract kite
Think it'll be down all night iirc he did say he was ERPing with them so he's getting that Robutt as we speak.
void perch
not as soon as i wished
fleet canopy
Oh yeah the server thing
void perch
it shouldn't only taken like 30-60 min tops
like swapping a couple values on the modem and vm server, then pushing to each of the servers
abstract kite
Alright since the hot is down it's anarchy now.
void perch
but like somehow that broke.. everything
abstract kite
Muppy, grab the suppressors and throw them into #gtfo-chat. The normies won't know what to do with them and hiss at them, making them scatter.
We'll use that channel for our next stage of attack. Don't let the Mods know.
void perch
understood, won't tell the mods
abstract kite
Think their on to us. 🤔
void perch
but wait i'm admin not mod. doesn't count
void perch
so.. that fun project from 10 hours ago.. yeah finally finished. ended up having to redo the entire networking infrastructure, but was able to get it setup in a better way that i originally wanted to months ago.
fleet canopy
Nice
ashen nimbus
thats awsome, now you dont have to stress about upgrading your network later to where its at now
void perch
yeah. now for next project: setting up proxmox, and migrating VM's over
abstract kite
@void perch Sorry for the tagging. But what's your personal specs? It sounds very powerful from the sounds of it.
void perch
personal as in my actual desktop, the two servers? everything in my network?
abstract kite
The actual desktop you use.
void perch
The desktop is pretty weak. (that's 48 GB of RAM)
Entire infra wise... Here's every network device connected
fleet canopy
No GPU? What a non-gamer smh
abstract kite
I'm actually a little surprised by the specs, I thought they would be more powerful for the server and everything (pardon my ignorance, I don't know anything about the how servers work and all that).
void perch
The servers are:
First: 10 cores per CPU, 2x CPU's Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2660 v3 @ 2.60GHz | 192 GB RAM | 1x 2 TB SSD for databases, 4 TB in RAID 1 for the boot and some drives. 30 TB in raid 5 for most OS's
Second: 12 cores per CPU, 2x CPU's Xeon E5-2690 V3 - 2.60GHz | 192 GB RAM | 8x 1 TB SSD's for most VM's
Oh, the desktop/dev rig GPU
Oz, the i5 is my desktop/gaming machine. The servers are a lot more powerful
void perch
4 database servers, 2 tool servers, 2 bot servers, 2 load balancing servers, 2 web servers (half for production, half for dev)
a media server
minecraft server
plus some room for expanse of some other projects up my sleeves
abstract kite
D0c packing some seriously big stuff 💪💪
proper wren
eternal cairn
That's how it feels every time Microsoft pushes out a Windows update prematurely.
proper wren
Same with AMD drivers
jolly zenith
Do you need PC parts? Well look no further message me what you want I can get you a quote and go from there.
I can help you get relatively cheap Pc parts and ship it right to you!
Message me with your inquires and ill get back to you!
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
abstract kite
Hmm
Would it be a good idea to test if my computer could run say two games at once?
I believe it can depending on the game.
I don't believe I can run two Triple A Titles, but maybe Say Metro Exodus and Final Fantasy 14.
Or would I risk damaging my system?
vapid crypt
Uh it wouldn't cause damage, but why would you even do that?
I mean maaaaybe it could be done if you set both games to low
That way there won't be an issue with the games trying to utilize the VRAM of the graphics card
abstract kite
Reason being is I play 14 and sit in a thing called "Party Finder" I run a crafting/trading business on there, however, while I am in Party Finder I cannot do other actions, but sit there and wait for someone to DM me asking for my prices, so I would be on another game playing that while I wait.
vapid crypt
I see, well then most likely there shouldn't be an issue of the GPU being utilized fully while in this party finder then?
Well not that I would know, you would have to check that.
abstract kite
I would just turn my graphics down while I sit there.
IF anything it would render character models coming in and out.
Uh
🤔
I am drinking that dumbfuck juice atm
vapid crypt
That's a 10 in the 4 chief, rocking a solid 3head at the moment. Perfectly understandable
fleet canopy
Just play minesweeper or Tetris
abstract kite
I will go boil pizza while I wait, Muppy.
vapid crypt
Hmm yeah it might just be worth running a light game instead
I don't know if you're an Oldschool Runescape kind of guy, but that's the perfect side game.
abstract kite
I remember when I use to play on a laptop the thing froze while I was playing on low settings. The Laptop wouldnt come on for around 25 minutes, it didn't run as well as it did before said crash.
fleet canopy
lel
abstract kite
I was only playing on one game xD
vapid crypt
You wouldn't have the screen space most likely even if it has the resources
vapid crypt
I didn't do anything I think, but you're welcome I guess 
abstract kite
You did though...
fleet canopy
At least you're not waiting for your motherboard to arrive after having about two days not checking on the delivery and seeing that it was cancelled for some reason so you have to wait some more
abstract kite
Remember when my PC was not coming on due to RAM needeing to be reseated?
fleet canopy
At least I was able to get the motherboard I planned originally
vapid crypt
Actually, no I don't recall
abstract kite
You, Wooza and muppy sat there for like 6 hours helping me xD
vapid crypt
I'm getting old, even if I'm not technically old.
fleet canopy
lel
fleet canopy
Lies
abstract kite
20 years old ;-;
fleet canopy
That's not old
vapid crypt
That is prime Zoomer
fleet canopy
20 years old
abstract kite
Either way, guys I am really grateful at all the help you have given me over the past year-ish I have been here.
fleet canopy
You're welcome :)
abstract kite
Boomer age lets go
fleet canopy
lel
So 6 minutes ago, and a case to review for them
Boomer is after WW2
Babies born during the time right after WW2 ended
vapid crypt
Actually its anyone born between 55 and late '60s
fleet canopy
Boomer is an insult for anyone really
But honestly they're just kinda ruining the word at this point and it's oversaturated, a dull insult
vapid crypt
Uh its a dumb meme used a pejorative for anyone that is older than... I dunno early 20s?
Or its a mindset?
I don't give a shit its dumb
fleet canopy
lol yeah
vapid crypt
I mean its a Strix card
And it confirms that there will be a 3080ti
Which I've been hearing they're gonna be using Samsung's 8nm for sure on the consumer cards
fleet canopy
Looks pretty nice
And definitely better than a fan on both sides 
if you can use the effects of fans on both side perfectly fine somehow
vapid crypt
Well at least this confirms that the dual sided fan design isn't necessary
abstract kite
Yea, I'm happy that it won't be necessary.
This means that I can just get an aftermarket card and be done with it
vapid crypt
Coreteks isn't happy after making that speculation video about the co-processor potentially being on the back of the PCB
abstract kite
LUL
vapid crypt
Well I mean I don't know how he actually feels about it, but seeing as the leaked strix model existing being a usual design that confirms it isn't the case
And the back fan is probably just cooling the memory or something
late sorrel
hmm
fleet canopy
Maybe they just have some PCBs that offer both chips on one side and the other PCB having one on both sides?
vapid crypt
I suppose anything's possible
abstract kite
That could be a possibility yea
fleet canopy
Big PCB, 3 fans, don't see how it's not possible
proper wren
fleet canopy
As I link the GamersNexus review
But it looks pretty neat
Shitload of airflow for 69.99$
ATX and EATX support, liquid cooling which I assume is AIO
2 front RGB bigass fans intake, one non-rgb exhaust in the back
Front are 200mm each
fleet canopy
360mm radiator support on front, 280mm radiator on top
vapid crypt
That's what happened with the Meshify C
fleet canopy
Oof
fleet canopy
Well it's still better than the same exact case for 150$
dense wasp
Yeah, still hoping for a 3090, but alas
fleet canopy
3080 Ti then
river thistle
Since there's a good chance theres gonna be a 3080ti then what's the difference between that and a 0390?
3090*
river thistle
?
fleet canopy
Yeah but for gaming, probably gonna be useless
river thistle
Ah
dense wasp
3090 is also only a rumor, more or less - as they rumored 2090,
but yeah
river thistle
Oooh
dense wasp
I mean dual gpu won't be that useful as Gay said
river thistle
Okay
fleet canopy
For workstation, it can prove something perhaps
river thistle
Yeah
fleet canopy
People have dual 2070 Supers for work stuff
river thistle
THat makes sence
dense wasp
a 3000 titan or something could be cool 😛
fleet canopy
There is going to be a Titan
dense wasp
If I'd build my 3990x machine for VMS
dual GPU would be splendid
but new tech is fun nonetheless
not that I need new tech, but that is usually never the case for me
abstract kite
@dense wasp Sorry for the tag on the almighty lord. But what's your specs for your personal PC?
fleet canopy
I think it was a 3950X, 2080 Ti, 32GB of DDR4-3200MHz CAS16
late sorrel
smh, wait for zen 3
fleet canopy
4990X : )
fleet canopy
Looking forward to waiting more on my motherboard
late sorrel
lol
fleet canopy
And why's that
fleet canopy
lel
Maybe I'll grab a 3070 Super if I do get the chance
Or if I decide to
But eh
fleet canopy
Maybe not, but eh
I think the Super was just to make up for the shitty release of RTX 2000
late sorrel
yeah, saame
fleet canopy
But honestly introduced some good GPUs
Like the 2070 Super
I'll just wait for some more time, grab a 5700X and a 5700XT
: )
Wait
late sorrel
owo
late sorrel
ahhhh shit
fleet canopy
Hahaha
late sorrel
the 5700xt will probably be shit by then tho
late sorrel
probably be gddr7 and some shit like that
fleet canopy
Someone's gonna do it
late sorrel
low key excited for ddr5
fleet canopy
Not excited for DDR5
fleet canopy
What?
I'm not expecting it to be good from launch
Too expensive, probably gonna shit with drivers or whatever
I'll be excited for it when it's good
fleet canopy
Wasn't the Super pretty neat on launch?
river thistle
When am I gonna get my light saber?
fleet canopy
Never
abstract kite
f
gentle oar
I have been told a 1050ti is bad but it seems cheap as hell? Is this a bad investment?