for the most part, its just preference
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
merry bay
Maybe less addons but that's a rare thing for people to make use of
restive garnet
i only run like half a dozen addons
torn ferry
Decentralization?
restive garnet
and i could live without everything but adblock
brisk badger
All browser use chromium and its poop
But firefox
I use opera personally but its also poop
merry bay
I've never used adblock as it's not much of an issue in a small irrelevant country nearly nobody serves ads to 
restive garnet
i mean
i got a ad today
for a game
the games name was in chinese
the description
chinese
video
chinese
and apparently it was targeted at me because i live in new zealand (?), speak UK english (?) and US english (?)
sick reef
Doesn't matter if they pay enough
merry bay
I dunno brain filters out nearly all of it during ad time. Treating it like TV ads, sometimes can be fun for mockery or rating the effectiveness of it in your own head.
But most of the time just shutting off my brain during ad time until it's skippable
sick reef
You're not supposed to take it in, mostly. You're supposed to unconsciously be aware of it for brand recognition.
restive garnet
i got adblock after youtube did those 5 minute unskippable ads
merry bay
I've used a VPN for a German IP once, their ad situation is way worse. Nearly every ad unskippable. That can get a real bother.
sick reef
So that by the time you ever need something that they have shown an ad for, you will without knowing it favour the item of which you have seen an ad, because it holds a vague familiarity.
fleet canopy
Should just do bottom side intake, top exhaust if that’s not already what you have done yet
torn ferry
@restive garnet most of the ads I see are shitty Honey browser extension promotions.
merry bay
It sounds bad, but for someone living under a rock it's forced exploration for things I'd never care to look for.
fleet canopy
Or top side intake, bottom exhaust. Follows the direction of GPU
vapid crypt
MR BEAST HERE WITH HONEY 
sick reef
In most cases, you are meant to just have it drone you, because then you don't think about it, and then you don't think about why you would favour the product to begin with.
torn ferry
"I saved all this money in this artificial shopping setup,"
restive garnet
inb4 honey ad, brought to you by RAID: Shadow Legends
sick reef
Isn't commercials and the strategy behind them fun?
brisk badger
For selling your privacy you missed that shawn
torn ferry
And WikiBuy ads as well.
sick reef
It's as if it is only trying to stop you from being critical by leaning on your instinctual ability.
But surely, that obviously isn't the case, and isn't down to a science done by the brands doing these commercials, no way.
vapid crypt
Those addons are literally just an extra tracker to sell your info to advertisers
torn ferry
Honey doesn't even get any working coupons half the time.
restive garnet
i trust in the fact that there are people being paid multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars a year dedicated to figuring out ways to make me buy crap
vapid crypt
Make a good product and I'll buy it 
torn ferry
"Hmm, I'm going to buy all this food and then lie about me using Honey to get the price down,"
sick reef
It's before that, really.
restive garnet
also inb4, that episode of archer where lana lets all the guys tell everyone they slept with her, but none of them call eachother out because they dont want to be called out
except its dudes with honey
not wanting to admit that it didnt save them money
sick reef
It's that when you look for someone who sells food, you're recognizing firstly the names which you have seen before.
And subconsciously, or consciously, trust them without any real inherent merit.
torn ferry
"I saved 2 dollars on this $100 dollar order thanks to Honey, go figure!"
sick reef
That is the purpose of a lot of the commercials.
Apart from just people just spreading the brand themselves on social media.
restive garnet
thats basically what seasonic do
torn ferry
Though wasn't RAID paying streamers and Youtubers to promote the game?
restive garnet
they constantly pay people to run ads with simple stuff like merry christmas
sick reef
And now everyone knows about it.
merry bay
It kinda comes from the fact that they're able to afford commercials, keep the brand going for all this time. As proof of it at least being good enough. Beyond that point you judge the product.
vapid crypt
They haven't stopped paying everyone and their mama to advertise Raid
sick reef
It doesn't matter if they get 1% effectiveness on that ad.
And after than, 10% effectiveness on those who spend money
Because so many have spread it, that it will eventually profit in the end.
fleet canopy
Any ad that is sponsored basically means the ad pays them
torn ferry
I don't blame people for advertising the game because they were offered money, but I wouldn't want my name associated with a shitty freemium mobile game.
vapid crypt
Of course there's exceptions, like I know there was this guy It'sAGundam that made a humorous ad spot for Raid; but they didn't like it and felt it was mocking their brand and dropped him
restive garnet
very basic rule of business that any expense should pay itself off at some point
merry bay
Everyone knows RAID isn't a great game, but they're amazing supporters of many channels and personalities. Thinking about them more like sugardaddies and not a product.
restive garnet
even if its incredibly long term
sick reef
People make entire culture of jokes around brands, and it helps brands as these, because they're not looking for the people who care.
They are looking for the people who don't know better.
vapid crypt
Internet Historian has the best Raid ads tbh
restive garnet
inb4 nigerian princes
merry bay
RAID's marketing department must be so happy they became a meme. Free marketing for years
sick reef
And here
restive garnet
all it takes is one person to make a whole weeks effort worth it
sick reef
We continue that, for some reason.
torn ferry
And I remember when the devs of RAID tried to respond to accusations that they were paying people to promote the game, but their response was just a screenshot of a Discord message in their server made by a dev.
That's the level of professionalism we're dealing with here.
sick reef
We just continue the cycle, knowing full and well that it is malicious.
fleet canopy
Amazing
merry bay
Things are never just postitives
restive garnet
except for charlie sheen
sick reef
Didn't say they were.
restive garnet
he is nothing but positive
sick reef
But when you stop thinking about it, that is what happens, and that is why it will keep happening.
merry bay
Continuing the cycle isn't all bad. You have your own priorities and reasons. A brand profiting and also helping out content creators/personalities for next to no effort or loss from your part is not a bad deal.
sick reef
Continuing the cycle is always bad.
It is not for your gain
It is not for the gain of others
merry bay
You just have to be able to identify and switch mindsets around sponsorships
merry bay
I gain from content creators getting to continue business as usual
sick reef
But continuing the cycle, however? Passively adding the concept of the game, its developers, or anything about it, to your repertoire? That you can stop.
merry bay
I guess continuing the cycle can be a little vague.
There's no reason for you to support the sponsors much as a viewer.
sick reef
There is really no reason at all, unless you of course are personally invested into the sponsor, as that could be a reason.
merry bay
Or for the content creator to have a constant pressence of the sponsor for too long.
e. x. g2a badges on-screen all the time or RAID join counters
I welcome sponsorships that don't go too far and aren't for objectively bad products.
restive garnet
Looking at you, thermaltake
sick reef
And what are sponsorships such as these?
merry bay
That really is quite a fuzzy line tbh
sick reef
A ethically bad service, and a morally questionable one.
vapid crypt
Thermaltake is that company that has potential to make great products, but constantly drops the ball and gives their contemporaries advantages cause they can execute their ideas way better.
brisk badger
Gamersnexus in a nutshell
vapid crypt
brisk badger
😋
restive garnet
Basically sums them up for me
brisk badger
But its what u said
sick reef
Ye
restive garnet
Cool concepts, poor execution
brisk badger
True
merry bay
Gamersnexus merch?
restive garnet
I realized after buying thermaltake fans that they only designed things to look good at first glance
Software was shit, fan performance was mediocre, and the fan hub was held on by velcro
Plus the dope looking rgb had the worlds jankiest transition
vapid crypt
I remember and its probably been close to or maybe more than a decade, they had this case called the Level 10. It has like a modular design and they sell it for 1000 bucks. I'm like shit $1000 case, can a case that costs that much even offer what they're asking for it?
restive garnet
Almost definitely not
I get an absolute raging hard on for the coolermaster cosmos c700m, but at its price of like 800 nzd, i dont think it would be worth it
Probably not enough features in the world to justify that price tag
vapid crypt
Yeah actually I watch a guy on youtube that has that case, his words were "Yeah its a great case, but don't buy it cause it really isn't worth the money."
restive garnet
You can get cases for less than half the price that do the same job
Hell, my current case does exactly that
torn ferry
What is all the necessary drivers and software I need to install?
restive garnet
Probably update your bios
And download any relevant utility software from manufacturer websites
And make sure that your nvidia drivers are up to date
Main ones probably just mobo
torn ferry
What are the things I need drivers for besides the GPU?
brisk badger
utility software from manufacturer ? 🤢 🤮
vapid crypt
Basically the motherboard has Chipset drivers
vapid crypt
Tbh the drivers that do install on their own is fine
brisk badger
go to "device manager" and check if there is something with a yelllow questionmark
vapid crypt
Its not necessary unless you start having issues related to the drivers
brisk badger
if there is no yellow questionmark, then you have drivers for all hardware devices
torn ferry
torn ferry
I am wondering how long all my games will take to download too.
How can I speed up download speed on Steam?
merry bay
Getting a better fibre plan from your internet provider
But seems kinda pointless if it's just to download games quicker.
abstract kite
@torn ferry technically there are three important factors for downloading games... your "SSD/HDD" but SSD is ideal for max speeds... then we have second being internet provider and actual download speed... and then steam servers...
for me the issue is usually steam servers.. they kinda have a limit sometimes to cap you at 25 mb/s
torn ferry
Right now it seems all the games will take 20 hours.
brisk badger
not the best timing downloading steam games library a day after the summer sale has begun 😉
bright shard
tbh i only download games before i intend to play them
abstract kite
their fault... they are loaded with money and cant get better servers
disgusting
🤢
lilac geyser
the state of web browsers today is terrible
firefox used to have it all, but they lost touch with the community, started shoving software into the browser and bloated it
void perch
i'm waiting for someone to completely rewrite the browser, ground up, not using chromium and fixing all the memory leaks browsers have, have support for chrome and firefox based extensions to allow for ease of adoption, etc.
lilac geyser
i never understood chrome's popularity, other than people who hated firefox enough to leave it, but the deep ties to google is extremly concerning and i refuse to use it
therefore my browser picks are Pale Moon, which forked off firefox some time ago and imo is the true spiritual successor to firefox
they removed all the junk from firefox, its clean and works well
if you must use something chromium based there is Vivaldi, which i also use
Vivaldi has the most features and customization built into the base browser install that i have ever seen
but despite being a commercial project (something Pale Moon is not), Vivaldi has a striking amount of problems and weird decions being made
like for a while people had to complain because ctrl+enter wasnt autocompleting the .com onto domains typed the address bar because they had made it do something else with no option to set it back
and half of the videos/gif on gfycat dont even play in Vivaldi for me, like how
but even with these issues they are far more palatable than chrome, firefox, or ie
merry bay
A huge part of chrome's success is convenience.
Fresh windows install? Chrome account has all your tabs, settings, addons, bookmarks ready.(was the first big browser to flush out this part of ease of use)
Also quite common for pages to work best when viewed in chrome. So to save yourself the hassle of switching browsers occasionally just default to it.
lilac geyser
chrome should not exist
the justice department should shut it down
it gives google far too much leverage over the web
vapid crypt
I mean the privacy violations alone its extremely egregious
Besides that, Ram Gluttony is the greatest crime to all computers
brisk badger
chrome also was bundled in a lot of software installers and if you did not carefully checked all options, you installed chrome and set it as default browser
vapid crypt
Oh right, I forgot about that. That's annoying
lilac geyser
how about the banners that used to be on every google.com page to download it
right there, perfect example of why the justice department should trample it
lilac geyser
the lack of organized action by industry has lead to more... user lead efforts
it automatically clicks on ads for you
meaning the ads you click on provide worthless data to those who would track you
and exhausts the budget of those who would fund ads
it could disrupt the pay per click model
and could hinder the pay per impression model too
void perch
i have everything wrapped around the google ecosystem and just haven't taken the time or effort to research something else and set it up.
fleet canopy
I use firefox because it honestly looks nicer than Chrome, and it was pretty easy to get settled right into it
They don't of course have some support, like Adobe Flash for instance
Maybe you could get that on FIrefox, but I've never bothered to look how
fleet canopy
Ah?
void perch
eww flash
late sorrel
i don’t really use flash anyway
fleet canopy
Same, never found a need for Flash yet
Except Newgrounds, there was some instances of it I dunno
torn ferry
What software should I use for temperature monitoring?
fleet canopy
MSI is good for GPU temps, monitoring usage, not too sure about CPU since I've seen some good stuff but surely CPU-Z excels in that
torn ferry
How is Open Hardware Monitor?
torn ferry
I remember trying MSI Afterburner and my antivirus freaking out on it.
fleet canopy
Anti virus is poopoo then
torn ferry
Bitdefender.
fleet canopy
MSI Afterburner is not even a virus of any kind
Nor does it have any history with stuff like that
torn ferry
What is considered normal idle temps?
fleet canopy
30-50 c
Load, 55-70 c
Course, it goes to 80 c, that's not bad either
Nothing really worrisome
fleet canopy
Yeah, those are considerably high, and it's recommended to take a look, especially when it's getting past 90
The limit should be about 85 for me, lower temps are just nicer
torn ferry
Is the way the fans are oriented correct though?
Top and side intake, bottom exhaust?
vapid crypt
Actually how you described it is incorrect
From the images, the top and side are exhaust the bottom is intake
Which you want to intake from the bottom and exhaust from the top that's fine
I would personally make the side intake as well
fleet canopy
I pretty much went with AIO side intake, top intake, and bottom exhaust
Or top exhaust, bottom and Side AIO intake since heat usually rises anyways
torn ferry
So do I need to go reverse the fans now?
fleet canopy
I'd recommend exploring where to put the fans intake/exhaust at
Taking notes of temps, etc
torn ferry
I thought intake was blowing air inside, and exhaust blowing the air outside.
torn ferry
So I need to go flip fans around?
torn ferry
@fleet canopy what is normal for GPU under load?
bright shard
generally anything below 77 ish for near max load.
torn ferry
What is the most consistent and reliable method of measuring load temps? Leaving a game running?
bright shard
either benchmarking software, or a game you know will max you out.
generally, the BIOs setting for default fanspeeds is almost always set too conservativly.
for case fans.
torn ferry
What is the max fan speed case fans can safely run at?
abstract kite
You're using Nvidia, right?
torn ferry
Yes.
bright shard
and most people i know will set a more aggressive gpu fan curve with MSI afterburner, just for the gpu.
abstract kite
It depends on the case fans.
late sorrel
yeah, i do that
abstract kite
I'd use MSI Afterburner.
late sorrel
it maxes out earlier
torn ferry
Is Friday The 13th not a demanding enough game to test it on?
Load for the GPU during one match hit a max of 71 C.
merry bay
download GPU-Z and monitor the load each game creates.
But should probably stick to benchmarks designed for stressing to test for worst case scenarios.
vapid crypt
@torn ferry Just so you know, the "cross" that you see on the bottom mounted fans; that's the rear of that fan. In other words its blowing in that direction, so its set to intake.
torn ferry
So do I need to change the fan directions?
vapid crypt
As it is now, the fans on the radiator and on the bottom is fine
But the side being set to exhaust isn't very efficient
Especially since the bottom most fan is literally just exhausting the air from the fan below it. That air is just being shot out not cooling anything.
So I would turn the side fans around
torn ferry
It doesn't make sense to me that the direction the fans are blowing are whichever way the back of the fan is.
vapid crypt
That's how they're designed, every pc fan is designed that way
Unless of course you're arguing semantics, in which case I mean call it whatever. As long as you understand the side with the cross shape is the direction the air is blowing
torn ferry
Is it a bad idea to mix directions on a certain side?
Like if the bottom fan was intake but the top two were exhaust, or if the middle fan was exhaust and the other two were intake, etc.?
vapid crypt
I'm not certain it would be the most efficient to do it that way
Like as it is, nothing is being harmed right now. You can leave it as is, however there is a sort of method to airflow in a pc case.
torn ferry
Airflow down and towards the front?
vapid crypt
It comes down to the specific case, and also user preference. There's 3 air pressure configurations, positive , neutral and negative
torn ferry
Positive is more dust?
fleet canopy
I recommend doing side for AIO
Make it an intake
So that it isn't completely useless
vapid crypt
Positive meaning more air is coming in than being exhausted, neutral meaning air is coming in and exhausing in equal parts and negative is the opposite of positive
And actually I'm pretty sure Positive leads to the least amount of dust build up
torn ferry
I tried the side AIO, but it wouldn't fit and would put too much stress on the USB 3.0 cable.
vapid crypt
And legit I don't think it matters too much if its exhaust or intake for the radiator
torn ferry
When I tried it, the 3.0 cable would have to be bent at a very tight angle to stay plugged in.
vapid crypt
Basically just treat the rad as another point to direct airflow through
torn ferry
How often does thermal paste need reapplication?
fleet canopy
Depends
vapid crypt
Typically, most decent pastes will remain well for years
vapid crypt
Typically 3 - 5 years, it might depend on how constant the pc is ran
torn ferry
I still have LED strips to setup, but there's a problem.
vapid crypt
And also the paste itself
torn ferry
I can't put a strip on the bottom without it not being flat.
I want to invent a better solution to the 24 pin cable port.
fleet canopy
Grab a wrench
Hold it on the 24 pin
Wiggle wiggle wiggle the pin
Wiggle wiggle wiggle your body
Comes off
:)
ornate ginkgo
or just... don't do this :P
fleet canopy
Once again, I face the questions of "Should I really wait for the 4600?"
torn ferry
I wanted to use the Lian Li RGB cables,
But the bend seems very tight.
And I have nowhere to put the controller box either.
Within the rats nest of cables in the back?
fleet canopy
Because honestly, I don't really mind so much about the 4600, and it might just be the last lineup for AM4
Actually that wouldn't make sense for the X570 then
But still
I'd just get a 3600 and call it a day because in the end, it's just a better CPU than a 7700K
Like 2x better iirc
vapid crypt
Yeah they've said they won't be changing sockets until DDR5 pretty much
fleet canopy
Yeah I honestly don't care about DDR5 yet
Because it's going to be pretty meh when it is out for a year or so
vapid crypt
It'll be expensive to start anyway
fleet canopy
So I can just grab the 3600 and call it a day
vapid crypt
I wouldn't be interested in it either
fleet canopy
Along with a X570, in case they still continue the AM4 stuff
Can't really wait for september lol
vapid crypt
Honestly, if you're gonna go for a Zen 2 part get an 8 core one
fleet canopy
So a 3700X
vapid crypt
Sure, the price is bound to come down even lower
abstract kite
If you don't wait for a 5600 you have a problem
jk jk
Super excited for september too Muppy
fleet canopy
I could also just yeet the 32GB away, but it's 100$ for 3600Mhz CAS16 lul
It'd be like
550$ if I did go for the 16GB though
Maybe it won't be too bad
Any motherboard recommendations? Since I probably could find it under 200$
abstract kite
What form factor?
fleet canopy
ATX, but I can opt for MATX
abstract kite
And it's for a 3600/3700X right?
vapid crypt
For something under 200, the B550 Tomahawk is pretty great. Though its contemporaries are pretty good too, like the Aorus Elite I think
fleet canopy
3700X at this point is a good pick
vapid crypt
X570 imo, probably only worth it if you're looking at 200 or more
fleet canopy
double the cores, should def be more than enough
180$ is the max for B550 imo
Past that, X570
abstract kite
I would agree with what Demonio said. Tomahawk is a good board imo
fleet canopy
Getting a bit below 140, go B450
fleet canopy
Tawanda Kanhema volunteered to carry Street View gear across 2,000 mi (3,200 km) of Zimbabwe so that it would be more complete and representative on Google Maps. This is tech
Epic man supporting some neato map software
river thistle
Damn
fleet canopy
He looking like black panther doe 😳
late sorrel
what a chad
earnest rose
CHAD
abstract kite
Or signal range
river thistle
I just realized I have DDR3 ram lmao
fleet canopy
Cool
river thistle
What would you guys recommend as ideal gpu temps?
fleet canopy
No load: 25-50c
Load: 55-80 c
fleet canopy
Epic
bright shard
Banned range lmao
My cards rarely break 60 even near max load, it feels weird
clear quartz
oh man the ammount of chrome on the RDNA2 raytracing demo
thin walrus
merry bay
Yeah, imagine the nerve those manufacturers have, shutting the entire machine off just because your CPU is a little warm. Good on you to bypass that feature.
sick reef
If diesel only combusts at 1100 degrees, why wouldn't my computer be able to run higher than 100???
torn ferry
Does fan speed adjust based on temperature?
abstract kite
Yes
That would be the fan curve
How aggressive the curve it depends on what you set up on your bios or MSI Afterburner
torn ferry
Is the default curve not optimal?
merry bay
Optimal is subjective. Some people don't mind trading a little more noise for better temps
Others really care about the fans being silent
torn ferry
My only requirement is that the fan noise doesn't get picked up in a microphone.
abstract kite
When I set up my Radeon 5700XT with the Case Fans the Fan Curve is woefully flat
I'm not saying make your fans go 100% all the time
torn ferry
Do fans wear down when running high at all times?
abstract kite
Yeah. They will wear down regardless.
torn ferry
How long do case fans typically last?
abstract kite
100% can make them wear down faster though
It really depends on the fans
Quality, that kinda stuff.
atomic helm
well im not building a pc but ive never been good at actually fixing up my settings for pc games and would like help adjusting the videos and graphics i saw for the
system specs the minimum and optimal but i dont know where my laptop lies in this. but here are my specs.
OS: Windows 10 64-Bit
CPU: Intel Core i7-10510U @ 1.80GHz / 2.40 GHz
RAM: 12GB
HDD: (IDK)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce MX250
DirectX Version: DirectX 12
merry bay
#gtfo-technical-support is a better place to ask for settings. With your specs I'd use the lowest possible settings. In advanced options, CPU culling low and try setting pre-rendered frames between 2-8.
most helpful to try and see what works best. To measure differences use an fps counter. Steam has one built in.
torn ferry
What does CPU Culling exactly do?
merry bay
In theory higher CPU culling offloads more work on the CPU. For a lot of people it doesn't affect things.
merry bay
cl_interp is more server related. not the same thing
fleet canopy
It renders frames before you see it I guess
If you set it to like, 3 renders, it'll render 3 frames before you see it
Unless I'm wrong
@hallow jackal Do you know what parts your PC has?
fleet canopy
Can you tell?
hallow jackal
k 1min
I mean according to steam i definitely dont have the specs for it
But my friend said theres "potato mode"
hallow jackal
fleet canopy
Oh, perhaps he meant to change some of the graphics file to make it shittier
fleet canopy
It's been done in Siege, but rather you didn't really do that honestly
fleet canopy
Nah I haven't seen any of that
fleet canopy
Nor have I ever heard it mentioned, seen it in GTFO, or any of the sort
hallow jackal
double bruh
fleet canopy
lel
fleet canopy
The 710
Hm
Well you can refund it
Unless some stupid ass law doesn't allow you to
hallow jackal
GTFO looks so cool and such good gameplay ><
fleet canopy
Yeah
hallow jackal
Well im 14 so i dont have the money to buy it
Was wondering if i could run the crack i guess o_O?
Then again i couldnt find a non-sketchy cracked link
I prob installed like 4 viruses in search
fleet canopy
lol imagine talking about cracking a game in an official game server
But yeah I can understand lol
hallow jackal
lol imagine talking about cracking a game in an official game server
@fleet canopy ikr
abstract kite
Imagine Imagining.
fleet canopy
So I don't have the AM4 bracket thing for my Dark Rock Pro 4
Where can I possibly get myself that from bequiet?
abstract kite
The brackets should come with the DRP4?
merry bay
You threw out parts? Or talking about the bracket on the back of the mobo?
fleet canopy
Didn't throw out
Just lost the AM4 bracket
Like there's the LGA 1151 standoff kinda thing
abstract kite
You will now know my pain
fleet canopy
lol
Finger hurting
Then I realized I had to put the CPU cooler in then do the fans
More pain afterwards
lel
But it got on nonethless
abstract kite
Zip Ties.
merry bay
Did you throw out the DRP4 box?
abstract kite
Yeeted that shit.
merry bay
The main big box isn't important ofc, but it had a small one inside with extra parts and manuals.
fleet canopy
Still got box
merry bay
I don't see a reason to move the extra parts from that small box. But since you asked I assume it's not there.
fleet canopy
Everything in it is not in it
And the corner with all the boxes for my parts is like B.C. 400 ruins
merry bay
abstract kite
Gonna make Stonehenge out of those boxes. Our great descendents will find it and wonder
fleet canopy
Yes
merry bay
They had really well organized bags, so it might be worth a look
fleet canopy
PC Stonehenge
fleet canopy
And in years later
They'll look at my 7700K and be like
"Lol what a piece of crap"
abstract kite
Easy. Just buy another DRP4
abstract kite
I'm disappointed
merry bay
Well no. If you have time you can dig around for some Intel users willing to ship it over, as it's not used. Or even make a listing that you're looking for something like that. Low chance anyone will bite though
also they have a page for such queries
fleet canopy
Yeah I am on it
merry bay
but i imagine the shipping will be nuts
abstract kite
Well yeah... Their shipping nuts and bolts...
abstract kite
I have an alternative solution.
fleet canopy
lol not for fans
bum
Anyways, their stock are pretty neato
But it'll 100% be better if I got the AM4 bag
abstract kite
You know. We should all change our pfp to Seko
earnest rose
hmm
abstract kite
Confuse that crap outta people.
earnest rose
and everyones nick is the same
torn ferry
What LED strips should I use? Lighting Node Pro strips or Phanteks Neon Strips?
earnest rose
Henlo Gay
earnest rose
You damn muppet
torn ferry
Is this fan curve bad? This is what I see upon going into it for the first time:
torn ferry
Will the BIOS detect fans plugged into the Commander Pro?
late sorrel
It should, however I'm not familiar with the Commander Pro
Try looking in the Commander Pro manual
torn ferry
Are there any settings I should change in BIOS right now?
atomic helm
@merry baythank you
analog gale
Are there any settings I should change in BIOS right now?
@torn ferry if your running ryzen themn i would make sure you set your ram to docp/xmp
sick reef
Bios will not "detect" fans plugged into the commander pro. I think the Commander pro will be detected in the Device Manager.
The limit for each outlet is somewhere around 0.42A? I also believe the fuses are coupled in pairs, and I'm unsure if that would eventually overload them should you go over 0.42 in a pair.
fleet canopy
Think of it like the commander pro is only seen as a single fan
And whatever setting is on the commander pro, all the fans connected do the same
sick reef
1 is coupled with 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6.
I think you can do them separately in the software.
But it wasn't that adaptive. That, and it horribly dying on me, made me get another.
fleet canopy
So I wasn't able to get the TUF gaming wifi X570 for 200$ or 170$, shit was already bought by the time I looked at it
lilac geyser
whats the -p mean?
fleet canopy
Oh wow I paid 200$ for this thing
Actual price being 150$ lol
Meh if it's shit, I'll just go for another board
Actually I'll cancel that motherboard order, and get a different one
Any recommends?
I switched to the Asus Prime x570 pro, which is right on MSRP this time 
vapid crypt
Just wait for motherboards to become available
abstract kite
What are those?
proper wren
hoary quest
oh my god that looks so cool
fleet canopy
Looks lovely
dry schooner
Wants some help just got a new monitor a few days ago and today i noticed this is that a hair inside the screen or a dead pixel
fleet canopy
I wonder how you manage to get so close to something
But uhh, I've never seen that before
It doesn't seem so much like it's pixels tbh
dry schooner
Thats what i thought im trying to figure how the heck it got there and how i can get it out
fleet canopy
You probably could take apart the monitor, or return it kek
Perhaps go get some full red/green/blue screens, figure out if it really is pixels or not
This site can help pretty quick
Be careful though, it really is fucking cancer to my eyes lol
I'm more cancer to myself since I set autoclicker on it 
late sorrel
that’s a hair
fleet canopy
I'd just do a return really, that seems a good enough reason for whoever sent it to you to take it back
Just return it kek
dry schooner
Yeah it just a hassle lol ill have to see if they will warrenty it
fleet canopy
Should have warranty
Warranty should at least be more than a week for everything
Like a month
dry schooner
Yeah and i definitely dont want to take it apart
fleet canopy
lel of course not
dry schooner
Thank you for the help
royal finch
fleet canopy
Seems like it? Try using http://lcdtech.info/en/tests/dead.pixel.htm to check if it is one. Fair warning it'll be pretty hard to see it, so be careful about using it as it'll make your eyes hurt, but nothing too bad.
abstract kite
God I hate these spot the difference puzzles
fleet canopy
lolwut
vapid crypt
Its about 6 pixels that are damaged I guess
abstract kite
Yeah.
fleet canopy
Someone has a 100% disk usage error, any fix for that?
abstract kite
Mmm are they able to boot their PC?
fleet canopy
Yeah
Boot, bum stuff
Sending message in discord makes it freeze
Impossible to play a game for them without getting bugged from the 100% disk stuff
abstract kite
When I get that error I need to disable my Antivirus on boot up to let the other shit boot first.
Typically works
abstract kite
I don't know what that is.
brisk badger
it'll show you what app is writing and reading onto the disk
abstract kite
Never seen that application in my life
brisk badger
it's what sysadmins use when taskmanager is not much of a help
fleet canopy
But how would we get info from it?
brisk badger
is the question that you want to to find what application is responsible for the 100% disk usage?
if so, open resource monitor
go to the tab "disk" and sort by read or writee
fleet canopy
That'll be fine I assume
brisk badger
there is also more tabs underneath "disk activity" and "storage" which you can expand
is it a hdd?
could it be fragmented heavily?
fleet canopy
The guy had the windows 10 defrag thing
Was recent
Didn't think that would really help that much
abstract kite
Wouldn't the "performance" tab or application screen on your Task Manager tell you right away?
brisk badger
technically taskmanager is enough yes
defrag helps with 100% usage because if a drive is heavily fragmented it's usage is increasing dramatically
because it has to find free space, calculate what can fit in there and so on
brisk badger
could also be a dying disk, checking S.M.A.R.T values are surely not wrong
also chkdsk/f /r command is never bad, takes a long time
i think windows does defraging automatically, not sure tho
abstract kite
If I let it run overnight?
brisk badger
yea when there is not much avctivity it'll start defragging
lilac geyser
run windows 98 in a web browser: https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows98
there are some linux options too
lilac geyser
brisk badger
next step: Temple OS
vapid crypt
Temple OS, now that's a good meme
brisk badger
compared to other OS it's kinda a meme yes. But it's impressive that everything was built by one man. Writing an own compiler is something probably 0.0000000001% of humans can do. there is many years of dedication behind. Sadly Terry Davis, the creator passed away some time ago 😦
sick reef
Technically impressive, but also clinically insane from schizophrenia, and encouraged by his attention to not take his meds.
brisk badger
it costed him his life 😕
sick reef
Yeah. But hey, meds are just a government lie, big pharma natural medecine etc.
It's not like some people genuinely need the help.
brisk badger
sometimes people need it.
sometimes docotors prescribe drugs to meet the quota or don't even bother. Best example is people who are suffering ADHD probably. Or they actually not suffer but what gives more money 🙂
now we kinda have to find a way back to computers
sick reef
Yeah, but regarding Schizophrenia, where paranoia, delusions, and if I remember to some extent hallucinations, would make you an easily impressionable/manipulated person, and the only way you can counteract that, or even manage to be aware of it, is if you took the meds that people are telling you are poisonous/mind-control/alien beacons.
brisk badger
Terry Davis clearly needed medicine. But I think he did not have friends or was not close to them and his family
sick reef
He literally shunned his family due to his delusions, when they were actively trying to help him.
If I remember correctly, when he so died, he was on his way to his brother.
It's horrible as a close relation watch or experience a person deteriorate due to their mental illness.
brisk badger
dont make my cry during work! 😢 I remember watching quite some of his streams many years ago
and no not because of him ranting about the CIA 🙂
sick reef
No, his process and duly work was consistently interesting, and informing.
brisk badger
topic changer: https://edri.org/massive-political-data-leak-in-malta/
Massive political data leak in Malta. A database containing information about citizen of Malta was stored on an open directory everyone could have access to. At one point google indexed the site LOL
sick reef
brisk badger
idk how companies who do such mistakes can exist. It really is comparable to have a server with no authentication, so anyone who guesses the IP is inside
late sorrel
thank you data security people
tidal river
Seagate, HGST, and Toshiba usually have a higher failure rate than other brands. I'd try to veer away from these unless you are looking for cheap mass storage.
abstract kite
Well what do you recommend?
tidal river
Honestly, it should be fine. They are the most cost efficient drive atm. Just make sure to keep important stuff backed up.
abstract kite
...
tidal river
Here's the TLDR: In large use applications, seagate drives fail faster and more often than WD. However, in general everyday use, it normally doesn't matter.
abstract kite
You're giving me every reason to not buy it and not giving me alternative brands.
fleet canopy
Hm
Basically if you just do gamer and store some media stuff like streams if that's kinda your thing, it's good
fleet canopy
The best HDD isn't exactly the best though
It could be some NAS drive that could be considered the "best"
tidal river
Best until it catches on fire
fleet canopy
But that's just an opinion
abstract kite
I just want something that will not crash and burn on me after 1 year.
tidal river
That seagate "shouldn't" die in a year
fleet canopy
A seagate is also the cheapest fucking HDD
I don't know why
But it just makes it seems as if it'll die faster than any other HDD
abstract kite
imo i think u should go for WD Velociraptor @abstract kite
fleet canopy
But hey, it's pretty neat having 1TB for like 30-45$
abstract kite
im probs gonna go for it too
tidal river
1TB WD Blues are 45USD atm
abstract kite
Where is this>
fleet canopy
I've only seen Seagate's as the cheapest
brisk badger
@tidal river I was surprised as well
Source: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q1-2020/#:~:text=The Annualized Failure Rate (AFR,2019%20AFR%20which%20was%201.56%25.
abstract kite
wooza mooza
:3
would u say "WD VelociRaptor" would be a winner
for the fast and efficient HDD
brisk badger
i use some of those WD's in older server environment and generally not had an issue, but I don't have a big sample size :p
fleet canopy
At least Seagate isn't the absolute worst
brisk badger
yea I know and use it. I also use WD Gold
i do not recommend them though
ssd's are way faster, and there is cheaper HDD's that can be used that fulfil the purpose
abstract kite
lets say
i wanna go for 970 pro 512GB
and an HDD
to put on HDD like songs pics
and games on SSD
maybe some games
brisk badger
a normal 7200 rpm drive will do it
brisk badger
I don't think there is much of a difference
tidal river
There's a sale for the 5400 2TB WD Blues for 50USD
WD20EZAZ
fleet canopy
The only real difference you're going to notice is like
A 10 second difference in loading into games
HDDs are seriously great
If it's lagging, stop filling it with every single possible byte
fleet canopy
Stinker
abstract kite
n o u
Alright so the WD VelociRaptor
dont think thats a velociraptor
its WD black
tidal river
WD Black starts to blend into the "why not just buy an ssd" price range
brisk badger
if you give me 2min, i can give you the performance values, of WD black, gold and velociraptors
sick reef
Their prices can vary greatly.
abstract kite
Sure
sick reef
But most of the benefits you get from buying the different colour WD HDD's are not applicable as a regular consumer.
abstract kite
pog wooza the boss
@abstract kite dw ill go with velociraptor too if he wins from all three
i need new pc build aswell lol
WAIT WHAT
velociraptor 200$
u kidding
i thought it was like 100$ XD
oh hell nah gimme the seagate
brisk badger
Western Digital Black (results vary from system to system a bit) ofc
abstract kite
It's $54 on Newegg
sick reef
Is random Read/write really that bad?
brisk badger
On HDD's? yep
sick reef
I thought they were between 7-15
brisk badger
may also be the age, don't count fully on the pics
sick reef
Yeah
abstract kite
So... I am confused is Gold not the best?
brisk badger
gold is good but not really useful for normal usage
abstract kite
Ah
brisk badger
it's more that it lasts most likely longer
abstract kite
So which one would be the best? Still the Raptor?
brisk badger
technically it's the fastest yes
but if dont have any programs or games stored on it
it's kind of a waste
WD Black or equivalent is fine IMO
abstract kite
I mostly just game and make the odd video here and there
I may look into streaming.
kk im gonna go for wd black then
cause sometimes i put games on HDD
cause i dont have space on SSD
xD
250 gb gang
brisk badger
I would not support WD anymore tho since there is currently a class action lawsuit being filed against them
abstract kite
ffs
Gdi
wooza just give us a fast and efficient one then
xD
and not seagate
LOL
thats not being sued
and does not die
You got us on the first half
sick reef
Tested my drive
Think that my downloading and installing a game through steam might affect it, but eh
brisk badger
yea its a night and day difference
i checked before, newer WD blacks may be able to have 4-8mb/s speed (random write)
abstract kite
So why is WD having a Lawsuit filed against them?
sick reef
Because of the interlaced disk space.
I think other manufacturers are being sued too, for the same reason.
fleet canopy
Thought it was about a feature they said it had, which it never did in the first place?
Removed after a bit, told no one ofc
brisk badger
na but we use a different version ( I have 6 you have 7)
check the S.M.A.R.T values of your drive
fleet canopy
If it's being pretty bad even if drive isn't full, then it might be getting worse, not broken
brisk badger
there is some application that will show you this
either google or download Defraggler which has it included
abstract kite
So I am right back at square 1
dis gucci?
@abstract kite idk man for me i either want to invest in only SSD's
at this point
fleet canopy
Oh yeah I also noticed that I sit around 60-70 celsius when using a 7700K with DRP4
abstract kite
How much is a decent SSD?
fleet canopy
Wonder if that's just Intel or my thermal paste wasn't applied well/is drying out
vapid crypt
60 - 70 doing what?
abstract kite
im going for 970 pro 512gb and its gonna cost me like 250€
fleet canopy
Gaming mainly
It wasn't even an intensive game
It was Antichamber, one of the most easiest game to run
You could even play it on a shitty PC
abstract kite
@brisk badger
fleet canopy
Maybe it was the downscaled 1080p, but then again it's not that hard to run it even still
vapid crypt
Hmm yeah that seems unusual for a drp4
brisk badger
It looks like your HDD performs just fins 👌
brisk badger
you can always do the command:
chkdsk /f /r
abstract kite
in most games it takes like 2 hours
brisk badger
it will search for bad sectors and repair them
vapid crypt
I only ever get over 60C on my 2600 using a gammaxx 400 if all the threads are being utilized pretty decently
brisk badger
yea cause it's a hdd. they are slow
fleet canopy
100$ for 1TB really
sick reef
Because it's running windows.
brisk badger
select the correct drive letter first
abstract kite
brisk badger
type:
E: (if it's the E drive)
brisk badger
if you do this the drive will not be visible for windows till u reboot
abstract kite
after /r
fleet canopy
About 15$ lul
vapid crypt
Yeah they do have that now
vapid crypt
Eh
brisk badger
then use chkdsk /f /r (have to run as admin the cmd)
vapid crypt
Not the smartest preset build for their so called "budget" tier
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
Not even an F
brisk badger
while this is running you cannot use the drive, it takes some time
fleet canopy
For poor intel
vapid crypt
You can't find a fucking amd motherboard right now
abstract kite
damn
fleet canopy
I could find one
brisk badger
you can do this too with SSD's. It's recommended to do it every now and then, maybe once a year
fleet canopy
Better than nothing tbh
vapid crypt
Well one that's sub $100?
fleet canopy
Mm
brisk badger
if you try doing it on your C\ drive, you need to reboot
vapid crypt
That's right, well that's what I mean
abstract kite
i see
vapid crypt
All of the set build lists are recommending intel atm, I'm thinking cause of motherboard shortages
vapid crypt
I remember checking the mainstream one a while back and it had a 3700X build before
fleet canopy
Or because like the benchmark site, they are being paid to make it Intel sided
Their saddest advertising must have made them less of a choice to get now
vapid crypt
I doubt that
fleet canopy
Well I guess I could be wrong as well
abstract kite
whats
fleet canopy
But it's just strange making it all Intel
fleet canopy
MPK?
abstract kite
ye
abstract kite
xD
fleet canopy
MP might be multi, SP is single
brisk badger
the issue is; creating a benchmark that is not giving any manufacturer a potential advantage is very difficult. I wouldn't wonder if intel or amd engineers reverse engineer the software to find out what they can do a little to boost performance in said benchmarks.
Especially when it comes to CPU's
fleet canopy
Don't think that's true tho
abstract kite
So if I get a SSD would I need anything specific to make it work? I always here something about a SATA Cable, but doesn't that come with the product?
abstract kite
So I need to
Also buy a SATA
vapid crypt
If you don't already have one laying around, then yes
Typically they give you a couple when you buy a motherboard
ashen nimbus
Sata cables are cheap, you can fine them for $2USD in stores, it should not matter but depending on how old the ones you have lying around they might not be the latest sata standards
torn ferry
Is it a bad idea to attach LED strips to the sides of a radiator?
sick reef
Wouldn't really do anything bad.
Latest SATA standard? 
I thought it just did the 500/500 cap since ages ago
fleet canopy
"SATA III (revision 3. x) interface, formally known as SATA 6Gb/s, is a third generation SATA interface running at 6.0Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 600MB/s. This interface is backwards compatible with SATA 3 Gb/s interface" Maybe?
Somewhere in 550/520MBs
So no difference I guess
sick reef
Oh, right, those.
Yeah, that is true.
SATA 3GB vs 6GB
But maximum transfer rate for SATA standard is 500/500.
bright shard
Try to plug into a sata 3 port if you can, makes a big difference
lilac geyser
any users of intel xtu here?
quaint vortex
Hi so, im having this issue and no one else can solve it, figured some smart people would be here but could someone help me with this? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590184355314401290/727258207755698237/image0.jpg
Annnd it wont embed
fleet canopy
So did you try booting it with an OS with a USB?
lilac geyser
i take it that you had a working pc before that started showing up?
abstract kite
So I get ridiculously long reboot times. Do you guys belive this could be due the the motherboard?
fleet canopy
Booting up a PC takes forever should be an HDD
Unless it's on an SSD
Then that's weird
abstract kite
I'm talking specifically when you click the reboot option on Windows start menu. When I do that, it takes a ridiculously long time to boot. Can be 10 mins to over 1 hour.
fleet canopy
Oh
lilac geyser
what part of the boot process is talkng a long time?
lilac geyser
its probably a software issue
abstract kite
When you mean Software, can you be specific by that?
lilac geyser
either the operating system has some issue that takes it a long time to boot, or there is some other software that runs early in the boot process that is taking a long time to finish
lilac geyser
im just googling... do you have fast startup enabled? looks like you actually dont want that enabled
lilac geyser
you can check which programs you have set to start at bootup, disable anything that isnt needed...might help
or you might just want to throw a bootup profiler on the machine, it should tell you exactly what is taking so long
abstract kite
Yes, that bootyo profiler sounds good. To test out.
Are these normal for a Ryzen 3600 voltage if you know?
lilac geyser
if that vcore is accurate, it seems high?
polar current
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lilac geyser
you may have some auto oc profile on your motherboard
i dont know about the ryzen 3600 though could be normal
lilac geyser
was that the default setting?
abstract kite
Yep
lilac geyser
probably ok then