A very promising GPU generation is right around the corner. So that would be the next thing. And once DDR5 hits and is worthwhile you'd finally pop in the heart of the system
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
merry bay
fleet canopy
In possibly a year or so, I'd pay for a budget CPU, RAM, and motherboard just to get rid of my 7700K because it won't be something I'll be too satisfied with, being 4 cores and 8 threads
spiral bloom
so you consider budget components CPU RAM and mobo?
merry bay
Since your end-goal is a DDR5 machine that lasts, I think this a decent approach. Alternative being sitting on a very aged system. (which is okay, but you can do better for not a lot of $$$)
fleet canopy
AMD is soon coming with their Zen 3 ( Ryzen 4000 ) series, and I'd probably budget there probably
But getting it is a sidegrade cause a 3300X is basically a 7700K
fleet canopy
Their top CPUs? Like a 3900X?
That one I think does better than a 9900K? And price is notably neat
There's a 3990X which is not really for gaming, only for workstation, but it plays Crysis
merry bay
3900X vs 9900K for 1080p intel still has a lead(only matters if you use 120+Hz monitors), but 1440p the difference is quite small.
vapid crypt
In terms of performance Intel doesn't really have anything that matches up as far as multicore. They're only better in gaming because of a less latency between cores and much faster clock speeds
And that's only apparent at like 1080p with a high end GPU
fleet canopy
Yeah, but if you're going for 1440p which your PC is going to anyways I guess, it's never really an option to just side with Intel because of gaming
vapid crypt
Ryzen is superior at overall performance and performance per watt. And I'm thinking with Zen 3 Intel's hold on gaming performance (mind you in the scenario where you're kind of CPU bound) will no longer be there.
Even if Rocket Lake introduces an IPC increase, I'm not sure if they'll be able to keep up clock speeds. It'll still be 14nm though, apparently its gonna be 14nm Tiger Lake or something.
torn ferry
What processors are of the X299 chipset?
torn ferry
Is that more for workstation use?
vapid crypt
Its High End Desktop
So kind of, typically people that get that use it for those kinds of things
Its their "Threadripper" even if its not as good
torn ferry
I guess I am curious why X299 and Threadripper boards are the only boards that use 8 DIMM slots.
vapid crypt
Yeah they take advantage of Quad Channel
torn ferry
Is 64 GB RAM and higher too much for the average user?
vapid crypt
Yes
fleet canopy
64GB and higher are for workstation uses
vapid crypt
Actually 32GB is arguably more than the average user needs
fleet canopy
If you want to kind of have more either way, 32GB is the max
vapid crypt
At least for right now, I can kind of see it being necessary in a couple years maybe
fleet canopy
Going any higher like Big ol Dr Disrespect is stupid
torn ferry
I just know higher RAM is beneficial when wanting to run a dedicated server 24/7.
vapid crypt
Since games might start using RAM cache via SSDs and Ram cause of the new consoles
Err rather Texture cache
torn ferry
Are EATX boards a waste of money most of the time?
fleet canopy
EATX isn't worth it unless the case is EATX
vapid crypt
For the average user, I would say so
fleet canopy
And EATX generally is not worth it
vapid crypt
I'm not even sure what they use with that extra space
Cause I've never compared EATX to regular ATX
torn ferry
Just now I found I overpaid for the board.
vapid crypt
For the Asus board?
fleet canopy
Gigabyte Aorus, yeah?
More drives, easier to use custom watercooling which is kind of stupid to get, uhh
torn ferry
How much is MSRP of the Z390-E?
torn ferry
Yea, I overpaid.
vapid crypt
Strix isn't their highest end under the ROG brand so
torn ferry
I am deeply embarrassed for what I paid to get the board.
fleet canopy
You can cancel it
vapid crypt
Can't be that bad can it?
torn ferry
I already am in the process of returning the board.
I paid about 33% higher than what it usually costs if 239 is the actual value.
fleet canopy
How much was it?
vapid crypt
239 is what I've seen it listed at on Microcenter
torn ferry
$309.99
vapid crypt
I believe I saw that same board refurbished for 189 on Ebay
fleet canopy
Refurbished, meh
vapid crypt
Which I mean sounds like a damn good deal imo
lilac geyser
amazon knows when to jack up the price cause of incresed demand
vapid crypt
Actually it might have been the F model
torn ferry
I feel like the money went more towards the included door hanger than the actual board.
The door hanger seems more high quality than the board itself.
vapid crypt
That seems rough
I've always know Asus ROG stuff is just overpriced and not much better than its contemporary brands, like Aorus
torn ferry
No Asus products in an Arr Oh Gee certified case.
fleet canopy
Are Oh Gee!
vapid crypt
Are Oh Gee with the Are Gee Bee
terse remnant
is it possible that a cooling pad is blowing hot air back into the machine
nova jewel
👋 hey guys, so a mate of mine bought a brand new pc but everything seems to be stuttering do any of you have a fare idea of why or a solution to fix it i personally have never experienced this issue but i've gone through all the procedures to try and resolve it but nothing seems to be working
red shuttle
vapid crypt
If it wasn't compatible it wouldn't boot
And as far as stuttering, Stuttering constantly in everything or like just in games?
nova jewel
oh like everything
vapid crypt
What are the specs, and is this a pre-built system or did he build it?
nova jewel
pre-built I'll try and get a whole spec list but for like a PC that cost over a thousand sorta concerning
vapid crypt
Well I hope whoever put it together has good customer service
nova jewel
yeah i said the same thing top it off he paid for couple other things one was like a cable and it never arrived with the PC
here is the specs
fleet canopy
Those are really good specs
vapid crypt
Unusual to see the use of a 8700 though
fleet canopy
Maybe the drive is getting full?
abstract kite
There's a custom PC boutique near me, after this whole corona I've gotta check them out.
fleet canopy
Oh?
abstract kite
Didn't realize there were still shops like that in existence, until some lucky browsing.
fleet canopy
Neat
lilac geyser
whiskers: he checked task manager to see if any app is using all the resources?
nova jewel
🤔 good point I'll tell him to check now
vapid crypt
I've heard of certain system integrators loading computers with bloatware. Though I don't think stuff like that would cause stutters, rather general reduced performance
lilac geyser
is it brand new? i think thinking somethnig he installed even
nova jewel
its brand new just arrived today the only thing he has installed was like discord
vapid crypt
Maybe its outdated drivers
abstract kite
I hate it when humblebundle has some offer for "Driver" software
always leads to a spike of people having computer issues because of it
lilac geyser
i mean hardware maybe as well
fleet canopy
The specs are good though
abstract kite
ah yes let me just down load random drivers this russian/chinese program decides for me even though my OEM puts effort into custom building and cherry picking compatible drivers
vapid crypt
Could be hardware, sure
fleet canopy
What would be bad of it?
lilac geyser
bad or improperly installrd hardware, gal
vapid crypt
Check if the system is registering all 16gb of RAM
lilac geyser
i mean i hope the builders know what they rae doing, but mistakes do happen
vapid crypt
Who knows if stuff comes loose during shipping
fleet canopy
Probably yeah
lilac geyser
sushi: do yo uhave a link to one of those driver humblebundles?
fleet canopy
The what?
abstract kite
company doesn't even seem to really exist on wikipedia
lilac geyser
ashampp uninstaller 9.. huh?
abstract kite
yeah humble bundle just going like yes pay us for this SUPER elite and expensive software
but its in SUPER SALE BUNDLEEE
fleet canopy
Super
abstract kite
they do this shit like 4 times a year
and then I without fail get someone a few weeks later going
"some shit broke"
over half the time its the freakin driver updating stuff
like man it's almost just malware at this point
lilac geyser
Millions of browser installations are infected with unsafe, unwanted or malicious plugins and toolbars, camouflaged as useful helpers. Ashampoo UnInstaller 9 finds them all!
i wonder if it finds itself
abstract kite
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abstract kite
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vapid crypt
Intel leaks for Alder Lake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqErX7VkitI
vapid crypt
Oh yeah it should be 12900K
lilac geyser
1234567K
fleet canopy
Introducing the 15900K, with 13nm!
vapid crypt
Cause Rocket lake will be the half generation upgrade of 10th gen, which will be 11th gen 
But yeah Alder Lake will be when they get 10nm for desktop consumers. The idea of having 8 cores with a big IPC increase and 8 little cores for background stuff seems like the best they can do
lilac geyser
anyone delid without a tool?
fleet canopy
What are you gonna delid with? Fingernails?
bright shard
i was figuring you could just intimidate it off.
fleet canopy
Just yell at it until it pops off
lilac geyser
channel-locks pliers probably
they are large enough to have a pretty much 180degree opposing force
bright shard
just threaten to cancel it on twitter and im sure itl be gone in a right moment.
lilac geyser
the karen approach?
vapid crypt
The Karen Approach would be calling Intel to speak to the Manager 
lilac geyser
if the thermal paste that came with the cooler is any indication, the paste under the IHS will have the consistancy of dried toothpaste right about now
restive garnet
if you really wanna do it, stanley knife blade
if you arent careful tho, easy to brick your cpu
i think its worth the money to buy a tool
bright shard
so, anyway, jokes aside, whats the non-emptyskull tool of choice for delidding?
restive garnet
either derbauer or rockit ones are pretty good from my experience
fleet canopy
I mean, I once saw one of those things that looked like a square, I think Linus or Steve used it
Steve from Gamers Nexus of course
bright shard
sbquave
restive garnet
thats the rockit 115x delid tool, and you can get a custom IHS to relid with
basically just a larger surface area than the stock IHS, shaves off a couple more degrees if you really wanna go there
iirc gamers nexus did a video on it, basically said that it works, but its not really a huge difference, so probably better as a weekend mess around
royal finch
Hello I upgraded my gf’s GPU from a GTX 745 to a RX 580 but now she’s having graphical issues I suspect it’s a conflict between the old graphic drivers and new one but I’m not sure, should I just go ahead and uninstall both graphic drivers and do a clean install
It doesn’t work when I have the new GPU hooked up but it works when I have the old one
royal finch
I’m in the process using DDU how can I know for sure I only have the right set of graphic drivers downloaded and the rest deleted
proper wren
ehhh I dont really use DDU much
royal finch
Ok I’m gonna try to clean and shutdown now that I’ve deleted the AMD drivers I’ll try to wipe the GTX one now and turn it off and fresh install the AMD GPU I’ll tell you how it goes thanks @proper wren
proper wren
Usually if you pop a new graphics card in (which is AMD) it will automatically detect it (if you're using Ryzen) and install Radeon software on its own
royal finch
Ya it was working for a little bit
Then major crash and wouldn’t even startup till I switched back to the old GPU
river thistle
Can someone explain the difference between cherry and brown mechanical switches for me?
proper wren
brown switch soft and slightly quieter than cherry reds
red switches which I use to have are like the standard mechanical switches and commonly used. Has no feedback feel?
river thistle
So basically the slightly different feel and how load they are?
river thistle
Ah
proper wren
I love my durgod keyboard
river thistle
I plan on getting a k95 from corsair, and it has Cherry switches. Was just wondering cuz at one point I think it gave me the option between brow and red
proper wren
from being quiet to loudest it goes from mx White -> Brown -> Red -MX Speed -> Blue
imo
let me pull up the youtube vid
proper wren
keep in mind that some razer keyboards crap out in 2 years
river thistle
I don't want a razor one. I don't like their RGB software
proper wren
I had a K70 before with the crappy old logo
7 years old and still working perfectly, gave it to my cousin
river thistle
Nice
I have a k55 and I don't like the membraine switches and crappy rgb options. I plan on giving it to my sister or dad when I get a new one
For membrain swtiches though, they're actually really nice and still have a decent sound.
I wish my mouse had a more satisfying sound.
torn ferry
Should I be really worried if in my sign in history for my Microsoft account, there is an entry that I don't recognize?
fleet canopy
Meh, never had that happen to me yet so I don't care about it
torn ferry
IP and device platform were different.
spiral bloom
lol
man
if I check through my login history I have half asia and the US in there
attempting to login
my account is as old as the internet though
torn ferry
Should I be freaking out or no?
restive garnet
probs not
i mean, someones been trying to reset my runescape account password for the last 4 months lul
torn ferry
What can people do with a Microsoft account?
fleet canopy
Make a microsoft acacount
Because you're never gonna ever use it
Unless you like Microsoft Edge
torn ferry
But what can someone do with one if they get access to someone else's account?
merry bay
Depends on the account. Most common thing they'd see is personal details like full name, maybe alternate emails.
And then they'd start trying a long list of various sites with the same account details.
e. x. cloud storage to look into your files
in some cases they delete everything from your cloud and reuse it for their own crap (free GB's)
torn ferry
I don't use cloud storage, no.
merry bay
It could be damaging to have your social apps hijacked. No telling what that could result in
Best thing you can do is have 2 factor auth.
At the very least for your email and paypal.
merry bay
Some could call email that. But I had more in mind Skype/Discord or whatever you might be using to communicate
torn ferry
Do I have to change password of every service I use now?
merry bay
It's not the service that matters, it's the password that's out there being the issue.
You don't know if it's a lone hijacker or someone who shares it around in various semi-public pastes. That specific password is no longer good to use.
But the important part is having 2 factor authentication so even with a password, they wouldn't be able to get in.
Losing that potentially known password is advisable but not a complete requirement to stay safe. (because you may forget and not every service offers 2 factor auth)
sick reef
Best way to stop that is to switch email for the account, as well as password.
torn ferry
I looked up the IP and it says for the organization, Comcast.
sick reef
Because then they don't have it any more.
torn ferry
I just tend to get instantly into anxiety and fear whenever my account or email is involved in some kind of breach.
sick reef
Well, the leaks are information dumps. Emails, with or without some password, associated with a service. If you don't have(read: use) the email associated anymore, then the information is rubbish.
merry bay
Sounds like a long job with all the places you reused that email + password combo. Could be a matter of time until another service gest a similar attempt. You're not going to switch every service once one is compromised.
But it is effective for sure
Also Shawn, don't pay much attention to the IP's. Most likely not the real IP of the attacker.
sick reef
It's the only way to make the leak obsolete.
Also, never reusing passwords is a good advice.
torn ferry
So should I be freaking out or anything?
merry bay
If you don't have 2 factor auth, you should be in a hurry to at least enable that on your important social accounts or something like paypal.
2 factor auth + lazy with passwords would still pester you about login attempts, however the account is ok.
2 factor auth + changed passwords would pester you about login attempts less frequently, account still ok.
Changing associated email gives a clean slate. Very effective but more effort and things to remember as you're now alternating emails between services.
torn ferry
But with right now, am I safe or am I not?
merry bay
If you don't have 2 factor auth no
torn ferry
I added it on, but I fear it's too late now. The unusual sign in happened 7 hours ago, and I only knew about this after waking up.
merry bay
So check the account that you got notified about and see if there's anything weird that they did.
torn ferry
Activity didn't say much though.
merry bay
I mean log into it and browse through various settings, look for a section about associated accounts. Dig around
Microsoft logins can be used for a long list of things. Could be something as harmless as starting a free trial using your microsoft account for their use.
Could be they did nothing
You don't know until you check
brisk badger
I get the password resets too, very often. Usually it's just bot gathering information of what your secondary / recovery account could be
They also sometimes do it just pretend to be humans after they tried logging in for 10times, so the system does not raise an eyebrow. You have to understand that they will try to loging in short times onto various accounts and what a spammer does not want, is to be blacklisted
torn ferry
What is everything that I need to check?
brisk badger
login to your microsoft account, at the top, you see a navigation bar called "security"
click on it
followed by "login activity"
torn ferry
It says nothing now besides "Resolved Unusual Activity".
brisk badger
was it a successful login attempt?
torn ferry
Yes.
torn ferry
No.
brisk badger
does it show the same country?
merry bay
I'm fairly certain enabling 2 factor auth logged everyone out. So unless they did something major it's nothing more than scrubbing personal info.
brisk badger
there is a section called "more account activity". can u click on it and search the IP if it tried to login but failed?
torn ferry
I searched it and the IP is coming from a city in Maryland, with the organization saying "Comcast".
brisk badger
city and organizations are very vague. It basically just shows who owns the IP address which means nothing. Someone having Comcast as ISP and logged in could have been it
does it say what browser or app it used and which OS?
is the IP address similar to yours (only the last numbers are different?)
brisk badger
customer, not working for comcast
torn ferry
If it makes any sense, my family used to have Xfinity for TV service.
brisk badger
anyway if you don't own an Android... yea... your account was pretty much compromised unless Microsoft actually prevented access by itself
torn ferry
And I'm freaking out about it.
What can someone do with access to someone else's Microsoft account?
What is the most damaging thing that can be done?
brisk badger
first of all, did it say "successfull login" ?
it depends for what you use your microsoft account
torn ferry
Successful login, yes.
I rarely ever login to my Microsoft account.
I only really ever use it for Office 365 subscription.
brisk badger
i cannot answer your question before with what can be most damaging. Did you store things in the cloud? what about emails?
maybe it was jsut a bot that could login
torn ferry
I never used the cloud before.
brisk badger
maybe it was a sophisticated person which probably want to harm you
torn ferry
I don't use Outlook for email either.
brisk badger
2fa is good and I recomemnd it generally to anyone for anything
torn ferry
I just put it on, but I feel it's too late now.
brisk badger
the more stuff you had on that account the more problematic. personal information... yea you gave that probably away
torn ferry
So I'm screwed probably then.
brisk badger
if you have some credit card info stored on MS, do change the credit card
fleet canopy
Imagine having credit card info in any type of email
torn ferry
Well, I can't really change it since it's the only card I have to pay for Office.
brisk badger
not in the email but stored on the microsoft account
fleet canopy
Ah
brisk badger
no, you have to canceld your credit card and get a new one from your bank. assuming if a hacker get access and found your information about the CC, he can freely use it
i dont want to panick you
i dont know if microsoft does stores the whole CC in your account
I think it shows only the last 4 digit... or i hope
fleet canopy
It should only show last 4
torn ferry
I'm already panicking, so it's kind of too late to try to not be panicked.
fleet canopy
If it showed the full, that's just bad for the entire company haha
torn ferry
I did, nothing since the monthly charge for Office.
brisk badger
no, check if microsoft is somehow displaying the whole credit number
torn ferry
When I hit, my account, it says **xxxx and then when I click on the Manage button, it shows the same thing.
brisk badger
yea that's great
torn ferry
And then when I click to edit info, the box to change the number is grayed out for some reason.
brisk badger
if you did not use your account for a lot of things, that contains (sensitive) information, stay calm. change password, enable 2FA and call it a lessons learnt day
was your password weak
torn ferry
Define weak.
brisk badger
well dont need to answer it but think of it urself
hmm, maybe less than 8 letters, maybe the PW is a word or had a pattern
could also be someone who knew you btw
torn ferry
I typically use the same password but with different geometric and sequential combinations of symbols and numbers at the end of it.
brisk badger
what is odd though that Microsoft did not lock out that successful login. Usually companies are quite smart detecting unusual successful login attempts
torn ferry
If it was successful, would Microsoft deny access?
brisk badger
yes they can still deny access
well not deny, but send you an email to verify the login
ok temporary deny, till you decide
but since the location and maybe IP addresses are close
it may have believed it was you
or if you logged in in a device that had android under the same IP
fleet canopy
Weak would be something that would be easy to figure out or not a very complex one really
torn ferry
I'm still scared majorly.
brisk badger
You are sure that u never saved your password on an Android device?
torn ferry
I don't use Android and I don't live within a 500 mile radius of the supposed login location.
brisk badger
The login location is not accurate at all, dont focus on marryland
torn ferry
I have never used an Android device.
brisk badger
It probably shows one comcasts datacenters
Yea thats the worrying part
Possible somone u know got access? Password written down physically etc
torn ferry
I don't write down my passwords at all.
brisk badger
Did microsoft inform u about the login?
torn ferry
Yes.
brisk badger
And they allowed the access?
torn ferry
I don't know.
brisk badger
What does it say in the notification
torn ferry
Unusual Sign-In Activity.
I'm also fearing about if the email I got was actually malware.
brisk badger
Microst account page has a page that shows all login activities. On mobile so difficult to point u in the direction
fleet canopy
You fear too much
torn ferry
Correct.
river thistle
Okay fine guys... I'll give in and go amd cuz it's better for streaming... Do y'all recommend a b450, b550, or x570?
fleet canopy
Wouldn't matter too much imo
B450 goes best for 80-130$, B550 goes best for 130-155$, Anything past uhh 165 or 180$ is X570
river thistle
Well if I go amd I'll either get 3950x or wait for 4000s
Will I need to change any of the other stuff?
fleet canopy
So you don't have anything for a PC yet? or just going to upgrade the whole thing?
And I'd just wait for Zen 3, and grab their 4700X
Unless you want some high ass CPU power for something
river thistle
All I have is a psu, and 2tb hard drive and a shitty 250 GB SSD I believe
fleet canopy
What's the PSU?
fleet canopy
That's good
river thistle
I'll check when I get home
Ppl said the hard drive is good..
Idk I'll check when I get home
river thistle
Pretty much
brisk badger
Why dont u start first streaming with gpu encoding?
river thistle
Idk if I wanna keep the m.2 or get the gen 4 thing or not if I did go amd
Wtf is GPU encoding?
river thistle
Idk
fleet canopy
Gen 4 M.2 then?
river thistle
I though there was a step up
fleet canopy
Probably that
river thistle
Yeah
brisk badger
You let the gpu do the work for streaming and not the cpu
fleet canopy
Don't ever get a better M.2 just because it's "miles better" than a different M.2
That isn't ever different in gaming at all
river thistle
So just get the crucial m.2 and not get gen 4 thing or whatever?
fleet canopy
Yeah that's fine
river thistle
Ok
I just need to change the motherboard and CPU I'm getting then
And I'm not gonna have money for a while so might as well wait for 4700x or whatever
fleet canopy
Some of those B550 are cool I guess, better than 200$ which is best for X570
river thistle
?
fleet canopy
Do you also need a CPU cooler or no?
river thistle
No
I can get the same Corsair one
The water cool ones have both Intel and and things generally, and Corsair seems to be doing AMD anyways so
fleet canopy
What cooler is it?
fleet canopy
Yeah it'll support
river thistle
That's what I thought
So I should go with B550 or X570?
I'm going for a 400 to 550 dollar CPU busget
river thistle
Okay thanks. Just needa find a white Asus version
river thistle
Oh my ...
fleet canopy
Well it's better than 10$ with a 560$ shipping, eh?
fleet canopy
Z490?
river thistle
I'm paying like 300$ more
fleet canopy
That's for 10th gen Intel
river thistle
Yeah
I know
Originally I was gonna go with 10900k and a prime z490-a
This is gonna be an expensive switch...
river thistle
I'll still be getting like a 560 dollar x570 tho right?
fleet canopy
You should only have to pay like 200-300$ for a X570
500$ for a motherboard is pretty damn high end
Like workstation stuff usually
brisk badger
didn't you just say before you want to wait for the next AMD cpu's? Then I would not worry about a mobo today
fleet canopy
Or just need something that's top quality
river thistle
Well all the ones that are white are like 500
fleet canopy
You can do plastidip
river thistle
?
river thistle
I also want the RGB though...
vapid crypt
The 5xx chipsets will support the next line of AMD CPUs
brisk badger
10 years ago no one cared for colors and manufacturer used whatever PCB color was available. 10 years later people have to pay twice the money to get a white PCB lol
brisk badger
white looks cool but the availability of white colored products is low and companies use this niche to make great revenue
jade ermine
Big sad because there is literally zero white boards for am4
vapid crypt
Gotta make that 500% margin on white paint
river thistle
That one doesn't have RGB... And I don't trust myswlf to tape the Mobo right to not damage it
vapid crypt
Well that's not entirely true, MSI had some white boards for the 300 chipsets
jade ermine
x370 titanium
vapid crypt
The Tomahawk and Mortar Arctic
jade ermine
it was really sweet looking board but sadly a piece of crap for the price
merry bay
looks like it's user painted a little bit
river thistle
Welp... Eeh... If I can't find a white Asus RGB Mobo for at most 300 I'll just stick with the Intel based build...
river thistle
Or I'll just save up more money and splurge... I don't think that's worth it though
brisk badger
if you just try out streaming or do it for fun, I would just use GPU encoding and not software encoding. It saves money
river thistle
I don't wanna overdo and decrease the game performance though ..
fleet canopy
It shouldn't
river thistle
It's using the GPU though right? Wouldn't decrease performance?
Oh
And there no game performance decrease?
fleet canopy
Not at all
brisk badger
slight poorer performance in terms of quality but it makes a lot of difference in regards of buying a new PC
fleet canopy
At least not noticeable ones
river thistle
Okay
fleet canopy
It'll be easy to do 1440p 144hz on a 2070 Super even when using the GPU to stream
river thistle
I plan on 1440p 144hz and an nvdia 3080 or 90 so it should be fine then
fleet canopy
Well that'll be easy as a cake
river thistle
I'll just come ask y'all how to "GPU ecode" when I get there thn
And sick with intel
Stick*
brisk badger
yep. I don't want to tell you what to do with the money, just trying to say there is alternative which may be not as risky since you have or want a powerful GPU anyway
river thistle
Yeah
brisk badger
you could later install a second box for streaming
river thistle
Yeah..
Do you guys think the PC I have now could do the stream?
It's not very good..
Or is that not how it woks
Works*
brisk badger
what's your PC looking now?
fleet canopy
PC specs?
royal finch
😦 is there a way to unbrick a GPU I was updating the drivers on a RX 570 and the screen went black now every time I turn it on, it has distortion and the screen looks weird with lines and colors
river thistle
Uuh... Xeon w3530 or something like that and an rx570
royal finch
It’s confirmed the GPU cause I did a fresh install of windows and had to switch out the GPU in order to get it to even work and boot up properly
brisk badger
@royal finch unlikely you bricked your GPU. What you need to do is to boot into windows in safe mode, then uninstall the driver cleanly
royal finch
How do I uninstall I was trying to do it using DDU in safe mode I had got to the point where it only detected the onboard graphics of the motherboard
So I thought it was safe to install my new GPU
Then my problems started
brisk badger
@river thistle i think it's doable, I cant tell though for sure. I never streamed myself, just using GPU encoding for other shenanigan's
royal finch
Device manager? If so I tried that
royal finch
brisk badger
hmm @royal finch can't tell atm, need to go have dinner and rest a bit. if no one could help you can ping me later again and I can look
brisk badger
maybe try another slot for testing
royal finch
I did thanks tho @brisk badger I’m sure I’ll figure it out just been trying for hours
Omg I got it to launch without distortion should I try to uninstall the drivers again
brisk badger
yes absolutley
royal finch
I think I fixed it now it’s only detecting the proper GPU with no distortion
OMG YASSSSS thanks for helping fix it @brisk badger I was dealing with this headache all night
brisk badger
awesome! What did you do? Tried another slot? Sometimes gpu drivers can be super annoying. Also had the issue of it refusing to detect a GPU in windows
royal finch
Well I think it worked because I used DDU to delete every trace of any graphic drivers from AMD, INVIDIA and INTEL in safe mode then I restarted the computer put in my RX 570 and it windows automatically downloaded some basic drivers for the GPU then I was able to update it etc in short it was definitely 100% a driver conflict between invidia and amd
vapid crypt
Oh so you were using an Nvidia GPU on the system before?
lilac geyser
probably one of the few times that using DDU is actually called for
vapid crypt
Yeah that would do it
royal finch
Ya it went absolutely haywire lmao it wouldn’t even let me boot up with the RX 570 in the system so I ended up reinstalling everything from the bottom up windows, bios , even then when I plugged my RX 570 in it didn’t work cause I had to do the fresh install with the GTX 745 which auto downloaded some base drivers for that card it only ended up working after I used DDU on the freshly installed system to delete the base gpu drivers and any remnants of it only then would it let me boot up with the new GPU and download the new drivers
lilac geyser
weird you couldnt fresh boot with the 570
royal finch
Right! Man it was killing my brain
lilac geyser
this is why given the option i will buy cpus with integrated gfx, having that as a backup has saved me several times when something with the gpu was going haywire
royal finch
I’m definitely gonna look into that but rn I’m in the middle of making a backup in case this dumb stuff happens again lol weird thing is tho we just got it yesterday for my gf’s birthday and I installed it but had forgotten to remove the old GPU drivers etc long story short we played for a few hours it worked fine and suddenly mid game it got extremely hot and then her computer started having major graphical glitches and wouldn’t even boot up with the new GPU in the system
covert summit
Hey, so I don’t know if this applies, but I’m planning on friends coming over with their pc’s and was wondering what kind of Ethernet hub would be best for 5 people to run at least a game like Rainbow 6 or GTFO
lilac geyser
i'm not really sure you need anything special for that
RIP actually gaming on a LAN though
friend bot: i guess my only recommendation is to get something that says "router", not just "switch"
void perch
Actually you would want a Switch. Having multiple routers can actually cause more issues if not setup correctly, whereas a switch provides more ethernet ports which properly add more ports to the router, and the router will direct traffic to the port on the switch needed
torn ferry
Or you can buy the Arr Oh Gee gaming router.
lilac geyser
the presumption is he didnt already have a router..
abstract kite
Why would he get a Nintendo Switch?
fleet canopy
Ninininininintendo
void perch
Everyone has a router primer
even a modem from your ISP with only one port is a router built in
lilac geyser
even the cheapest home routers have more configuration options than most modems
void perch
@covert summit First, if you don't know if you have a router or not, ask someone else in the house, if they don't, call your ISP / Internet Service Provider. Ask them if you already have a router. If you don't have one or the Modem can't act as a router, then you'll need to get one. Most routers have 4 ports on them, meaning it can provide ethernet traffic to 4 wired devices, if you buy/have a separate router most likely it has wifi which can provide traffic to more devices, but for gaming ethernet is preferred.
If you need 5 people to have internet, assuming no wifi, then you'll need a switch to convert 1 of those ports into 4+ ports. As long as it's at least 100mbps then you're fine, if it says gigabit switch that works too, but don't buy gigabit if it's out of your price range, you won't need that extra speed.
Just don't buy something called a "hub". A hub is like shouting into a crowd to deliver a message to 1 person, it's wasteful and not efficient. A switch is like delivering mail to your address or your friends, directly where it needs to go.
covert summit
@void perch Thanks, I mixed up a hub and a switch. But, I should be good then
vapid crypt
I'm finding Gigabit switches on sale for under 20 so that seems pretty good
covert summit
I saw that and I might just go with one of those
jade ermine
day dreaming
abstract kite
whats the price
royal finch
Want :0
lilac geyser
3090 isnt that something amd makes?
vapid crypt
Well no it doesn't exist... yet
Alleged leaks suggest its a new tier of Nvidia card
It was thought to replace the x80ti class or possibly replace the Titan class
If that image is true the former isn't the case though
lilac geyser
if nvidia wants to release 3xxx product numbers they are stupid
vapid crypt
Well its more like 30xx but, sure I can see the conflict
But considering the full brand would be Geforce RTX 30xx and what not its sort of moot
abstract kite
@vapid crypt you saying 3080ti is gonna cost 863€
wait ur right lmfao... actually 860€ or smth
technically 900€
We might see another price increase with 3000.
If that happens i'm gonna be big mad
well it probably will by only 50$
which is not really that big of a diff
in any case if they keep this promise and keep 3080ti costing actually actual 1000$
and not 1800$ XD
Rumour is the cooler alone for the FE variants will cost $150, so we could see potentially the current prices increased by that much at least.
FE cards may become more expensive than AIBs once again...
here u go actual 2080ti's prices for croatia
i think AIB'S being 600-800$ more than FE
fleet canopy
I don't think you know what you're going to be looking at
abstract kite
is kind of stupid
abstract kite
3090 probably
fleet canopy
I kept hearing "3090 is the 3080 Ti"
abstract kite
Unsure of that just yet @fleet canopy, but we do know there will be three cards using the same chip
fleet canopy
So 3070, 3080 and 90 makes sense
abstract kite
^^
3090 may replace the Titan since we already have the 'RTX Titan'
how about TITAN AMPERE
lmao
abstract kite
Someone at NVIDIA surely got fired for the leaked benchmarks of one of their new GPUs
I'm excited for them, but sadly not optimistic on prices.
fleet canopy
That 3080? Probably 900$
abstract kite
i will actually be depressed if i cant buy a 3080 for the price of 800€
fleet canopy
That 3090? I'm expecting 1300$ ish
abstract kite
3090 is 2k$
fleet canopy
1300$
abstract kite
fleet canopy
What's this?
fleet canopy
As in?
abstract kite
not have titan's anymore lmao
and call the titans
3090
with 90
but oh well who am i to say
no one
fleet canopy
Mm,
abstract kite
im a customer that does not wanna spend my entire savings on a gpu
abstract kite
lilac geyser
R Kelly - Same Chip
fleet canopy
Well then
abstract kite
Realistically, not many people buy titans, so pushing for a higher numbered card and calling that the flagship seems like an interesting move on Nvidia's part.
I guess everyone with money to burn and wants the "ultimate card" will in turn get the 3090 despite the cost. Most stop right now at the 2080ti because the Titan isn't marketed as much.
fleet canopy
Hm
abstract kite
i would actually require a card that would run me all games on max settings at 1080p and at 150 fps avg
If they got rid of the damned gold shroud, I would get a current gen Titan once the new cards drop. 😩
so hopefully a 3080 delivers that
they used actual gold?
for a card
really
okay man come on xD
really bruh
No. It's just coloured that way.
oh
xD
It's a powerful card, but a bit of an eyesore in any system it's not watercooled in
im still depressed due to croatian prices
for ti's
Remember when this was a mockup for the 2080?
eternal cairn
I like that style better than the flat look they use for the 2000 series.
abstract kite
I'm hoping this is the case with the current 3080. The shroud is a cool idea, but ruins small form factor builds as it wants to draw air in from both sides. Hopefully we've only seen one of the final cooler designs and not the final one they choose.
eternal cairn
But maybe it's just because I got the GTX USB drive which matches.
abstract kite
Oh I love the 2000 series cooler even though it's a pain to clean
i havent cleaned my card in 5 yrs
it's very stylish imo, but the backplate does cause some issue with heat
well im lying but not really.. i just vacuumed it a bit
and probably fkd up thermals xD
well im lying but not really.. i just vacuumed it a bit
good lord have mercy
shush
i have no access to people with the thingy
compressor
plus my overall pc is falling apart ngl xD
literal case is open
Can't just use compressed air?
in a little can?
costs like 20U
€
xD
It can be worth 20€
smh
If they flip the fan around on the current cooler design and don't increase the prices, I will buy a 3080 for sure.
even if they don't flip the fan around, as long as the fan on top of the card is an intake I will still buy it
Im getting a custom gpu anyway around so it does not matter lol
If it has a price increase and is somewhere between $900-1000, they can keep it.
im guessing 1000$ excatly
or 999.99$
abstract kite
Need what for? @lilac geyser
idk for me i would need it for 240hz screen
for most people they need it for workstations
edits
music
streaming
lilac geyser
why do you need it over something that is more reasonably priced?
abstract kite
What would you compare it to that's more reasonably priced?
he probs means why not go for 3070 if its gonna be equel to a 2080ti
and its gonna cost 600$
or so
but idk
vapid crypt
Get a mainstream level card instead of enthusiast fuck all overpriced card
abstract kite
I want a Titan
The more VRAM I can get the better in my use case. I'm getting it for machine learning and encoding/decoding.
vapid crypt
Cause at this point they decided "Yeah let's charge Titan prices for the high end and make the Titan even more expensive."
jade ermine
Releasing 3080 with cut down die, Ti/90 full GA102 die but 12gb memory and titan/90 with full die and 24gb makes sense.
3080 899$
3080Ti 1099$
Flagship 1499$
Heard from here first
abstract kite
If the 3080 has 10GB that's more appealing to me than anything else (although there are plenty more variable that go into it).
abstract kite
You don't want a Titan and opt to get a 2080ti?
I would require a 3080ti for streaming and gaming at same time at max settings
Smh my head
and usually i want games not to drop below 120 fps xD
Honestly SLI looks rather tasty right now for my use case, but considering that I'm not increasing the amount of VRAM available and only sharing the memory buffer, seems kind of useless as awell.
dude omg have u seen the actual Nvlink between titans
jade ermine
MHW Iceborne at 3440x1440 144hz experience
Only for 1500€ !
abstract kite
omglhlh
200 fps
at 4k
I could care less about FPS as long as I can hit my 144hz mark lol
i noticed for a 240hz the ideal fps is 160 fps and above
on 140 it gets to the 144hz which looks kinda stuttery but not
I play a lot of competitive games anyway, so graphics don't really matter too me that much. For instance, low and high settings on siege don't really change much texture detail.
pepelaugh ded game
It's dying, that's true. Though, it's more enjoyable for me compared to the onslaught of battle royale games and hero shooters we have on the market right now. Quake is still my absolute favorite shooter, but that's "deader" than Siege. lol
I mean every game is dying except the ones that have constant twitch and yt support
like damn...
Not entirely true, but I can see how you feel that way.
Well YouTube and Twitch are Shafting their content creators... So.
my bad luck is that after a week of me getting 240hz for my tournaments in RLRS tournaments...
i got banned from playing tournaments
false accusations
btw
Back on topic:
When the heck is Zen 3 going to be announced? Any news on that?
lilac geyser
everytime you ask its delayed by 1 week
lilac geyser
idc im not buying it anyway
abstract kite
You will
I'm not buying it either... immediately.
After you buy it you'll be amazed with the shittastic drivers
Perhaps next year though. If it truly is the last chip on the AM4 platform I'll upgrade to it anyway so I have the most longevity I can out of my system.
(and a higher end chip on Zen 3 at that)
vapid crypt
Its not drivers on the CPU its AGESA for their CPUs 
abstract kite
Interesting. Bringing back one or dropping the other.
Where do you find all these Seko pictures, Muppy? Lol
fleet canopy
Some guy gave me about 40, I get some from reddit
brisk jasper
Hmm, checked the game files in steam, but my buddy is still getting this when he launches the game, any ideas?
any ideas?
fleet canopy
torn ferry
I dropped my phone and it cracked.
fleet canopy
Epic
fleet canopy
New video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niAQs8dZohE Thermal Paste versus Reusable Graphite Thermal Pad
dense wasp
tldr? 😉
late sorrel
Good paste as always goes a long way
river thistle
Omfg I can't wait till I can buy this computer... My pc is litteraly playing for 2 seconds and stopping on FUCKING YOUTUBE
Uuugh
brisk badger
cables are generally.... way to expensive.
I buy always like a 10pack of any type of cables from china
river thistle
Dude it be so cool to have a creeper pc like the one Linus Tech Tips made for PewDiePie...
Except I don't know why he went for a Mini ITX mobo or whatever
fleet canopy
The only cables that seem fairly okay in prices are ethernet
And sure, it'd be cool having a custom PC like that?
Just seems really uhh
It's like those dumb PC cases on convention shows and open loop watercooling, or mainly giant ass cases that are wildly massive and heavy
It's cool, it's neat, but you're eventually going to dislike it possibly
Amazing
There is no fucking way Intel actually did this
late sorrel
omfg
late sorrel
no fucking shit a 1050 is better than integrated graphics
fleet canopy
Otherwise
Intel is getting shit on hard
Look at the fucking prices for the parts!
Wait
For laptops, actually that ain't wrong, but fucking misleading as shit
I thought they were gonna show the 4900HS as FUCKING 1500$
And honestly Intel is the saddest fucking company ever
"Don't settle for the AMD Ryzen 3400G"
Oh, guess I'll settle for a 3990X and dual 2080 Ti then!
They're so fucking "good" at marketing kek
late sorrel
and that’s on actually looking at benchmarks
fleet canopy
They didn't even put in FPS on fucking "SuPeRiOr GaMiNg PeFoRmAnCe" for the 4900HS vs i7-10750H
Just "Base" and "Up to Stupid Number Amount Percentage Better!"
Probably costed them more than what they paid to manufacture CPUs 
merry bay
what's really sad is this stuff gets eaten up as a win for intel by the average person viewing it
vapid crypt
So its kind of hard to understand bullshit marketing graphs when they're obviously being misleading
fleet canopy
That's Epyc
sick reef
This specifically is bullshit marketing because it tells nothing of the product, it is just defaming the opponent.
This, and when they make up "stats".
Like the one above
fleet canopy
It's honestly hilarious to see that 4 cores increases the performance in games apparently
Because I'm on a 7700K, and a 9700K with 8 cores or whatever performs better
sick reef
Stops being about a product, and starts being about brand following. I though we left those behaviour behind with why we critique apples behaviours.
fleet canopy
I wonder why Intel wants everyone to buy 4 cores when they've got 10 cores now
merry bay
high volume parts i assume
fleet canopy
Definitely cheaper to make less cores either way, and just jack price the thing to stupid amounts of money
sick reef
Isn't cheaper if you don't sell.
brisk badger
Show me ten games that use 8 threads
Just because a 9700k runs games faster than 7700k doesnt mean at all it uses the extra threads. It can but knowing programing languages; nope.
The 9700k likely runs faster because per cycle it can run more instructions (called IPC)
Got hired today by intel btw
fleet canopy
lol you did?
fleet canopy
Kek
It'd be neat working for them though perhaps
I'd imagine they get paid pretty well
brisk badger
Being a hardware engineer u get a lof t of money i assume
Must be an intersting job
But requires a galaxy brain i dont have
Wanted to add about rant before: its very difficult for devs to use a lot of threads. Sometimes its not worth sometimes it costs too much etc.
ornate ginkgo
8 threads have other pros than just "games use 8 cores" if the game uses only 4, the others can be used for other programs. Also it's almost more important how good a single core performes.
brisk badger
And the nature of a programing lanfuage defines if it can be multithreaded or not
vapid crypt
Actually there hasn't been any significant IPC increases since Skylake on Desktop
vapid crypt
In any case, its a fact that 8 full cores is better than 4 cores 8 threads
ornate ginkgo
if someone asks why, just tell them it's like 4 extra wheels in the trunk... doesn't make the car go faster xD
sick reef
There was an actual reasoning behind the 4-core, and that was that games had that specific structure at the time, where they actively used 3 threads, and offloaded extra onto one. What intel tried to pull, or was hoping would happen, was that there would not need to be a place, and thus need, for operations that scale beyond 8 threads, as in 8 threads, it would still follow the same principle as utilizing 4 cores, only doubled, if it even did that to begin with. With the improvements and just simply mass of cores that Zen brought to the table, that helps people have a average core/thread count, and thus, developers can create structure as to how they decide that things should be calculated that isn't based around specifically 4 cores/threads. That is the main idea, but that in itself also requires research and development. All of it is quite a tedious process, but that is what technological advancement is. Sudden boons, and slow adaptation.
brisk badger
that is wrong in every aspect I am sorry
AMD actually gambled with their bulldozer series that games and program are going to be heavily multithreaded. Did you see any success of AMD's bulldozer series? Even VIA was laughing at them
Also just because we have now affordable 16cores or more CPU's doesn't mean games have to utilize them fully. In the core of every game, the choosen programing language decides how far you can multithread a software
sick reef
This is the earlier prospect I'm practically paraphrasing from GamersNexus Video. I could be wrong, in my paraphrasing, they could be wrong, and I can't do more than say that.
brisk badger
The beginning of the sentence is just the most vague
sick reef
That is probably the one I paraphrased most correctly.
brisk badger
a game does not use 3 core by default
a game is depended on the choosen programming language. Not every language can be multithreaded
every game for example that allows modding or scripting is 90% a single-threaded application
sick reef
No. In the context of utilizing multiple threads, it is in regard to the structure of 4-core usage. Regarding the 3 core by default statement
brisk badger
well devs used what the masses had 😛 Would be kinda sad to optimize a game for 16 cores when 95% of users have 4 cores only
sick reef
But yes, this is somewhat ignores that most applications are single-threaded.
brisk badger
multithreading is a beast, or can be. It requires knowledge, money and time
sometimes it's not even needed to run an application as multithreaded
sick reef
Well, assuming you can make something work "perfectly" multithreaded, the amount the application would need wouldn't matter.
brisk badger
stuff gets also more and more complex the more threads can be allocated
it's however good to have many-cores CPUs today, it'll hopefully motivate programmers to utilize this more
but many games actually have a somewhat decent engine, programmed in C, C++ or whatever and then run the game logic in a scripting language like lua. scripting languages are often not possible to multithread 😕
sick reef
Creating more efficient systems for managing and handling tasks while still being able to have it in a working system would be nice. Preferably, something that could use an arbitrary amount of cores, and adapt the workflow from there.
I guess that would be one way to kill cheating. Have a game engine that only allowed multi-threaded activites.
Or well, hinder it, rather.
brisk badger
cheat developers... they are shit but also smart. In a way it's fascinating
sick reef
Yeah. But so are developers. Problemsolvers.
brisk badger
need to go to dinner laters cat 👋
sick reef
Later, Wooza, have a good dinner.
sharp socket
my game wont sop running anyone know how to get it to stop running
cause it just say still running even though its closed
and is current taking time
fleet canopy
Have you checked task manager?
torn ferry
New motherboard has been ordered.
fleet canopy
Very nice
fleet canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE3aNhegQTk Intel shows new GPU
pearl cairn
anyone else get massive fps drops
I have a gtx 1070 but it says that the game uses 97% of it
Im pretty sure its using the nvidia card cus I always check it before getting into the game
Is my graphics not good enough or is it somehitng else?
abstract kite
@pearl cairn The game is pretty gpu heavy, so you’ll see a large percentage of utilization. I also have a 1070 and 97% usage is about right.
As far as frame drops go, that’s a bit unusual.
I’d say your GPU is fine. What are your other system specs?
abstract kite
Thats strange for sure. Have you checked the CPU culling load?
fleet canopy
High CPU cull = CPU works more, GPU works less
Low = CPU works less, GPU works more
sick reef
Utilizing 98% or more of your CPUs total processing power can lead to frame drops.
lilac geyser
What are some tech/game related youtube channels you all enjoy?
lilac geyser
i'll put up some of my favorites in this format: channel name - brief description - channel link
The 8-bit Guy - Retro tech, mini-documentaries about computers and odd tech mostly from the 80s - https://www.youtube.com/user/adric22
rwhitegoose - really interesting analysis into speed running, talks about current topics in the speed running community, sometimes focueses on individual game and the tactics and development of speed running that game- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC42NgAW2U0ZF_HTUw4mE_gQ
theScore esports - kind of like rwhitegoose but for esports current topics and issues - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSCoziKHqjqbox3Fv3Pb4BA
Ahoy - various gaming topic, but has a series about firearms, their historical perspective, and how that history has shaped their usage in first person shooters and peoples perception of that gun in popular culture, and has a great speaking voice - https://www.youtube.com/user/XboxAhoy/videos
example for Ahoy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Updljxb4I
vapid crypt
Oh I remember seeing Ahoy's Polybius video
As far as a tech channel that's quite enjoyable, probably quite similar in video style to Ahoy actually but specifically talking about computer tech is Coreteks https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX_t3BvnQtS5IHzto_y7tbw
lilac geyser
demonio: coreteks uploads look promising, bookmarked
i have way more that i find personally interesting and watch, but i dont want to just spam them
looking to discover more
merry bay
Battle(non)sense goes into fairly deep testing for input lag and high refresh rate monitors. Sometimes netcode. If that's topics you're ever curious about.
https://www.youtube.com/user/xFPxAUTh0r1ty/videos
lilac geyser
nice find! seems to be a fairly deep cut on a topic, channels like that have a lot of potential
wow this guy seems to very passionate about latency
fleet canopy
I mean, I guess it's a high factor importance in competitive gaming really
Not so much for non competitive games
vapid crypt
I could only imagine the shock playing on a super low latency set up compared to what I'm used to
lilac geyser
its one of those things that you don't know what you're missing until you experience it, and then its impossible to go back
at least that's how i felt about just going from an ok monitor to a 'gaming' monitor
vapid crypt
The monitor I have is marketed as a "gaming" monitor, but its 75hz IPS. Probably relatively lower response time compared to some other IPS but it certainly doesn't come close to TN
Its IPS Freesync so that's really what matters to me I guess
fleet canopy
Any 1080p 144hz to recommend?
fleet canopy
What is it?
eternal cairn
I just bought the AOC 24G2 on Amazon. It has Freesync, 1080p, 1 ms response time, IPS panel, height adjustable stand, 144hz, and is only $179 when it's in stock.
lilac geyser
gal: hardware unboxed does really good monitor views imo
*reviews
i just wish they did more of them, they mostly do 1440p monitors
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Asus VG259Q.
IPS Panel, 1ms, 144hz 1080p, 24.5”
Some of the best color production I’ve seen in the 144hz 1080p market. No ghosting on the IPS panel which is great.
lilac geyser
yeah but there should still be some deals on 1080p monitors for the time being
fleet canopy
The 620$ 144hz monitor or the 280Hz 319$ one
abstract kite
Which ones the $620 one yikes
abstract kite
What model I mean
late sorrel
512 fps when
lilac geyser
fleet canopy
The model you gave
abstract kite
No it’s $250
abstract kite
From the looks it seems they may be phasing that monitor out
fleet canopy
Oh?
fleet canopy
Yeah
abstract kite
I trust that site
abstract kite
Yep. Ordered tons. Camera equipment, motherboards, monitors.
fleet canopy
Ah, neato
abstract kite
They’re reputable
earnest rose
^ also yeh
abstract kite
Random comment: B&H has ghastly long links. 😩
fleet canopy
lmao
You ain't seen one of those Amazon ones then
You 100% did see em anyways
A whole paragraph size
abstract kite
Nasty things haha
fleet canopy
M'nasty
abstract kite
Someone did a render of an Ampere card in an SFF build
This poses a problem I’ve been voicing. I hope Nvidia has a solution to this
Will Nvidia create alternatives for all types of builds, or will vendors modify cases to accommodate new card designs?
Find out next time on dragon ba-
fleet canopy
The solution is AIO GPU or it's obviously on a nice spot
fleet canopy
How has it been like with your monitor? @abstract kite
Because I might consider getting their 280Hz as well, since it's apparently only 50-70$ more, which isn't that bad imo
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Very good. I did professionally color balance it, but out of the box it’s not too terrible. I can’t guarantee anything regarding the 280hz version, but if it’s anything like the 144hz version it should be good.
The solution is AIO GPU or it's obviously on a nice spot
AIO GPUs aren’t truly a solution as there are some SFF cases (really a majority) that can’t support the extra baggage an AIO GPU has with it
fleet canopy
Well yeah, just kind of depends if you do have that
I still might consider the 280Hz one, although I did see that the 1ms wasn't true, really being something like 4-5ms
abstract kite
4-5ms will mean that you could be seeing ghosting on the panel