#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

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restive garnet
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yeah

river thistle
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Okay cool

restive garnet
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one gram is plenty

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ive been using the same 1 gram stick of cooler master paste for the last 4 years

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been replacing the paste every 6 months or thereabouts

bright shard
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word is, its enough for 5-10 applications.

restive garnet
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id believe it

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im probably about 8 in

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and im almost out

abstract kite
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When I first put on the paste it really doesn't look like enough

river thistle
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Thermal Grizzily Kryonaut Thermal Greas Paste

restive garnet
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thats the stuff

abstract kite
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Yeap

river thistle
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Do I really need to keep re applying though?

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Okay sick

restive garnet
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yes and no

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most pastes can go about 2 years before they fully cure

river thistle
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Ah

restive garnet
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but the performance slowly diminishes

river thistle
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I'll replace every year then

bright shard
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i havent repasted for 8 years.

river thistle
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57 dollars if I ship from hong kong

restive garnet
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i just find it good practice to replace whenever you take the cooler off

river thistle
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Yeah

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I would redo it every time I take cooler of too

abstract kite
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@bright shard you use clay for passive cooling.

restive garnet
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you can go 8 years without repasting, but i can guarantee if you take your cooler off now, that shitll be rock hard

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and thermal conductivity will have dropped through the floor

bright shard
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temps are still fine.

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for my tastes at least.

restive garnet
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probably are

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but they will still be a noticeable difference from where they could be

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granted, even going from a regular silicon based paste to a gallium based liquid metal, for like 8x the thermal conductivity, you might only lose about 10 degrees

river thistle
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So you want to replace it when it gets hard?

restive garnet
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to maintain peak performance, yeah

river thistle
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Ah

abstract kite
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How would you remove it when it gets to that point though?

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Like rock state

restive garnet
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isopropyl alcohol and dense cotton makeup pads

abstract kite
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Ass

river thistle
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Rubbing alcohol on a cotton ball? Unless thats bad

restive garnet
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rubbing alcohol yes, cotton balls, eh

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they tend to break apart easier

river thistle
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Yeah

restive garnet
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leaving little bits of fluff everywhere

river thistle
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Would running alcohol be okay though?

restive garnet
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same reason you dont use toilet paper, but you can use thick paper towels

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yeah, rubbing alochol is fine

river thistle
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Okay

bright shard
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i generally use filter paper and ISO.

abstract kite
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Special type of alcohol 99% isopropyl is the best

restive garnet
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anything over 90% is generally fine

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i try to go for above 95% tho

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coz its like 10 bucks a bottle for 95% over here

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but 20 bucks for 99

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end of the day it does the exact same job

bright shard
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its been hard to find iso lately in general.

abstract kite
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Yeah

restive garnet
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i got lucky and picked up a fresh bottle before this whole thing kicked off

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and even then

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they thought i was an alcoholic trying to get cheap alcohol

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didnt help i hadnt had a shave or hair cut in about 6 months

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lmao

bright shard
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i know the feeling.

restive garnet
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as soon as i started describing exactly what i wanted it for they gave it to me without any further trouble

river thistle
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And a gpu

restive garnet
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whats with the acer monitor?

river thistle
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I'm gonna get it

restive garnet
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no pricing on it tho

river thistle
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It's 300 bucks

restive garnet
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might wanna chuck that in there

river thistle
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299.99 off of new egg

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People earlier said it was pretty good I think soo

restive garnet
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cant comment

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i hate acer stuff with a passion

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so i basically ignore everything except their halo products

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and dont know enough specifically about most of their products to objectively comment

bright shard
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wait, they wouldn't sell you ISO? were you buying bulk or something?

restive garnet
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nope

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literally a litre bottle

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or litre and a half

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something like that

river thistle
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I don't like acer unless it's their monitors

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and halo

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Is there any benefit to putting 2 dp or 2 hdmi cables into your monitor?

restive garnet
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nope

river thistle
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Oh

restive garnet
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just stick to a single displayport

river thistle
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Well I'm gonna use my 1080p 75hz monitor that i have for a primary as a secondary

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And posibly my 1600 by 900??? 60 hz monitor for a third

bright shard
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i was rocking a 4:3 all the way up until it died.

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as a 2nd monitor

restive garnet
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i still have a few 4:3s lying around

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just cant be arsed using them

river thistle
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?

restive garnet
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4;3 aspect ratio

river thistle
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No idea what counts as a 4;3

restive garnet
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1920x1080 is 16:9

river thistle
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I think my phone is a 16:9 ratio

restive garnet
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4:3 is more like 720x480

river thistle
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wait no

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Ah

restive garnet
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im sure it goes higher than that, but again, i came here to get wasted, not do math

river thistle
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My phone is a 21:9 ratio

restive garnet
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most phones seem to be

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there was a huge deal a few years back when i think it was apple moved to 21:9

river thistle
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Most phones from my experience use 16:9...

bright shard
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my small form tablet is almost the perfect ratio for comics/textbooks.

restive garnet
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most new phones anyway

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my galaxy A10 is a 21:9

river thistle
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Ah

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I wish I could afford a 1k phone...

restive garnet
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and thats a budget phone that was released Q1 2019

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A10, not S10

river thistle
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Yeah I know

restive garnet
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sorry, i saw the 1k phone thing and thought you were mistaken

river thistle
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Yeah

restive garnet
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most people seem to be

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they hear the 10 and go oh, you must be rich

river thistle
restive garnet
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not realizing that it cost me like 200 bucks NZ

river thistle
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Yeah xd

bright shard
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i dont like people that put figures inside their towers.

river thistle
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I don't plan on that lol

restive garnet
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i will put a cortana figure inside my tower in your honor

river thistle
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Lol

bright shard
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but i kinda want the opportunity to stick a mini-rubber chicken in one just to bool.

river thistle
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It's so freaking clean. This is the picture that made me want to do a white build instead of a black build.

restive garnet
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i hate that sterile box look

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like everything has been bleached

river thistle
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Lol

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I like it

restive garnet
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i prefer the dark theme

vapid crypt
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Everything but the mew two and the motherboard

restive garnet
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right now ive got all my LL fans set to a lava theme

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which goes beautifully on a black case

river thistle
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Is there a way to get the radiator with white fans like that? I don't see one on corsair webstie 😦

vapid crypt
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I just have purple lights phaWesker

river thistle
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Idk what lava theme look like

restive garnet
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you can order white versions of the LL fans seperately

river thistle
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I know but that's mroe expensivve....

restive garnet
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shifting from a red-orange to white/yellow and back

river thistle
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Idk what i'd do with the extra fans too

restive garnet
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i like elements of it

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the fans look good

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the soft tubing makes me wanna die

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as does the case

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and the power supply

river thistle
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Sodt tubing is easeir to work with

restive garnet
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vertical GPU

river thistle
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I meant how the stuff is outside of the case thoughj

restive garnet
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white mobo

vapid crypt
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He got that lisa su signature stuck to the power supply phaWesker

restive garnet
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i get the theme he was going for, and i like it, i just hate the execution

plain nebula
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I'm not sure what the presentation was going for. it occludes itself a lot

vapid crypt
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The theme is Team RED... also white power supplies are cool PirateSimon

restive garnet
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they are cool, when they fit the build

river thistle
restive garnet
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you wouldnt just stick a white power supply in a dark themed build

bright shard
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the windows screensaver build.

vapid crypt
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Hahahaha

river thistle
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Lmao

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xd

restive garnet
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cant be the 2005 screensaver tho, otherwise the reservoir would be a bucket full of water

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😉

river thistle
restive garnet
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looks like a sheet of frosted glass/acryllic with an rgb strip along the bottom of it

river thistle
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Maybe

restive garnet
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you could do that for like 10 bucks

bright shard
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ah yes, please illuminate my house with the lights off.

river thistle
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Lol

restive garnet
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actually i take it back, at closer look its more like a psu shroud sort of deal

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hard to tell for me, my monitor makes every picture look like it was designed for ants

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plus im basically blind lol

bright shard
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high res monitor?

river thistle
restive garnet
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34 inch 3440x1440

vapid crypt
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Aside from it being cool looking, not really. Its an awful case thermally PirateSimon

river thistle
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Idc about the case

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I want the pretty lights

bright shard
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images for mites.
i wish windows UI scaling was better.

restive garnet
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tbf

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windows UI isnt terrible

river thistle
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also I heard ultra wide monitors are kind of hit or miss with a lot of games

restive garnet
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its everything else that doesnt scale along side it

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pretty much accurate

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the only bethesda title with ultrawide support afaik is fallout 76

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and it only got that several months after launch

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otherwise, i have modded previous titles to run ultrawide, but everthing is really weird

bright shard
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the only thing fallout 76 supports was everyones crippling disapointment.

restive garnet
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i bought it day one, played it for a week, and didnt touch it again till the wastelanders update

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where i played it for another week, and havent touched it since

vapid crypt
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Sounds about right

restive garnet
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worst purchase ever

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titanfall 2 tho

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you havent experienced mech combat till you do it using an ultrawide

vapid crypt
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I know they rolled it back, but I'm glad I haven't gotten Doom Eternal yet because I knew Bethesda was gonna implement something shitty at some point

restive garnet
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i got the doom eternal collectors edition

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thankfully, i got it a bit later than i was supposed to, and got to miss denuvo by a few days

vapid crypt
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They're gonna add the stupid Anti-cheat again just make it separate from single player, which is fine I guess

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Still not a fan of Denuvo anti-tamper in general though

restive garnet
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i dont plan on playing MP anyway, so i couldnt care less what they do to it

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as long as they leave my single player alone

bright shard
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if a game actively cannot run under linux, i'm greatly not interested.

restive garnet
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im to lazy for linux

bright shard
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i just want to leave windows eventually.

restive garnet
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i greatly appreciate the flexibility it offers, i just dont need it

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at least, not on my main PC

vapid crypt
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I will gladly leap off the windows train once Windows 10 gets axed

restive garnet
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ill happily use it on HTPCs and servers tho

river thistle
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Could I do a cpu and gpu watercooling loop thing with 290 ish dollars?

late sorrel
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  1. why the fuck would you want to do that
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  1. probably
river thistle
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Just wondering

late sorrel
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Seriously, this is Air Cool gang territory

river thistle
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Cuz if it's lik 300 bucks, it'll be the same price as cutting out some fans where it would go, and the cpu aio

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And I get that extra performance for that same price

late sorrel
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ah

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it would be a lot more hassle to though

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just cut a hole for the fans, much easier

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also, since when was cutting a hole and buying an aio 300$?

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should be closer to 200

river thistle
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Why would I need ot cut a whole?

late sorrel
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oh sorry, Mis read

river thistle
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I meant not buying the fans and aio lol

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It's okay

late sorrel
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I thought you were saying that you’d have to cut a hole in your case & buy an aio for improved performance

vapid crypt
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Would an AIO and fans cost 300 bucks though?

late sorrel
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^ 150 usually

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isn’t it?

river thistle
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the aio and set of three fans is 290

vapid crypt
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Even if its those LL fans or whatever, what is that like 90 for 3 fans?

late sorrel
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which aio are you buying

river thistle
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it's 130 for 3 white LL120 fans

vapid crypt
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Can't you make ARGB fans all white if you wanted to?

river thistle
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Uuh... idk

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I'd need to find the O11 case water block thing though, a gpu block when the 3000 series comes out, and a intel 10th gen cpu block

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Pluss all the tubing

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I don't know if that's possible with a 300 dollar budget

vapid crypt
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Uh no I doubt it

river thistle
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Darn..

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it's 165 just for the case whater plate things

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holy crap

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74 for a cpu block

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prolly another 100 for the gpu block

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oof

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Don't think that's be possible

vapid crypt
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And you need two radiators fans for each

river thistle
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I'd need two radiators then right?

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That's prolly another 50 or so

vapid crypt
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Yeah to cool both the cpu and gpu

river thistle
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Yeah

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How much would tubing and fittings be?

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It's 230 just for two triple radiators

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okay nvm we're not doing water cooling lol

vapid crypt
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Well see that's the thing, that kind of water cooling is what enthusiasts like to do cause they want to put the money into it. The kind of performance you get from it isn't worth all the money

river thistle
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Yeah

vapid crypt
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Outside of it looking really cool, that's part of it. No one would do it if it didn't probably phaWesker

river thistle
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Yeah

vapid crypt
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Or at least wouldn't be interested outside of the performance aspect even if it is small

river thistle
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Maybe just maybe if they made aio gpu coolers, buuuut

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Meh

vapid crypt
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Technically there are custom gpus that you can buy that uses AIOs

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Like the EVGA Kingpin

river thistle
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Interesting

vapid crypt
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Some take a hybrid approach

river thistle
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They're prolly super expensive though right?

vapid crypt
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Oh definitely

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In Kingpin's case that's like $600 above MSRP, its for the 2080ti

river thistle
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2080ti one is 1899.99

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Daaaamn

vapid crypt
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There have been cards in the past where the reference model used a liquid cooling solution, like the Fury X

river thistle
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Yeah

vapid crypt
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That was $750

river thistle
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For the extra money you pay you're better off getting custom water cooling for you're whole pc

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Or just better parts in general

vapid crypt
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Air is fine, it works and you don't pay an arm and a leg or even risk damaging components. Not that the risk is high with all in ones, but yeah phaSheva

river thistle
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Yeah

bright shard
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all it takes is a loose tube connector.

restive garnet
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gigabyte water force and a few MSI cards used AIO, at least back on pascall

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but also, the two radiators for 2 components thing is sorta horse shit

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rule of thumb is at normal rad thickness and density, roughly a 35mm ek rad, its 120mm for every component you are cooling, plus 120mm on top.
more rads if you are doing heavy overclocks or are using slim radiators

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but in terms of cost, look at eks MLC phoenix

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or their classic soft tubing kits

sick reef
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Density? hmmm

restive garnet
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fin density

sick reef
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Wouldn't that purely depend on material used

restive garnet
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uh

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no?

sick reef
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Or do you mean the number of of fins over a specific length?

restive garnet
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number of fins over specific length

sick reef
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I see.

restive garnet
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more fins = less air flow, but larger surface area to dissipate heat

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means that its going to cool water easier, but have less airflow and hotter air inside the case

sick reef
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Well, it also depends on how thick the fins are as well, as to how efficiently it will dissipate that heat too.

restive garnet
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yes and no

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the size of a fin does affect cooling capacity, but its negligible unless it affects overall fin density

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in which case you would have less cooling

sick reef
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It isn't negligible

restive garnet
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its basic physics

sick reef
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It's thermodynamics.

restive garnet
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its based upon the surface area available for heat to travel

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thermodynamics is applied physics

sick reef
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The accumulation of heat in an object, and how it is thus transferred from the object. Same surface area, but the the object carries more heat in itself.

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Thickness actually matters for that transfer.

restive garnet
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but not so much as overall surface area

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why do you think regardless of air coolers or radiators, fin thickness is in the sub 1mm territory

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yes, having it thicker allows it to contain higher amounts of thermal energy, but it is irrelevant in the case of cooling

jade ermine
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First novideo GPU leak in 3dmark

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30% faster than 2080Ti

abstract kite
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Only 30%??

fleet canopy
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Wack

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So 130% the performance of a 2080 Ti

jade ermine
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well we dont know what card it was

vapid crypt
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It might be the 3080

fleet canopy
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Yeah

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I bet it's the 3080

jade ermine
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could be

fleet canopy
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We've already heard leaked possible specs of a 3080

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Sooo

vapid crypt
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It has the same amount of shaders on a smaller node

fleet canopy
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6GHz, wut

jade ermine
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reading error i bet

vapid crypt
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Clocked much higher too

fleet canopy
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Wait

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It's VRAM

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Yeah I'm dum

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So 6GB of VRAM, that's possibly just a 3060

vapid crypt
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No

fleet canopy
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Oh?

vapid crypt
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That's clockspeed

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Not capacity

jade ermine
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also time spy is best benchmark for turing cards so thats hyping it more for ampere

fleet canopy
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Perhaps

jade ermine
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even if its 3080 im happy

vapid crypt
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Didn't know kingpin got that much faster

jade ermine
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i mean LN2 does wonders

fleet canopy
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So perhaps it is a 3080 then

vapid crypt
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I can only imagine

fleet canopy
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No way it's a 3090 though

vapid crypt
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I would hope not

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The 2080 ti was already disappointing compared to the 1080 ti

fleet canopy
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Disappointing in price to performance?

vapid crypt
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Sure

jade ermine
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3070 would be around 2080ti or slower, 3080 ~ +30% and flagship 50% or some shit
Then you add up rtx and dlss improvements
boner

vapid crypt
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It was only like 25% faster

fleet canopy
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Hm

vapid crypt
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And then 70% more expensive

jade ermine
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2xxx series were dissapointing all around

fleet canopy
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Well that's pretty lame

jade ermine
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most likely because maxwell -> pascal was gigantic leap in performance

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then turing comes in and its really expensive with small leap

fleet canopy
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But at least the lower ends like the 2070/Super and 2060 KO was alright

jade ermine
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im just concerned about prices lol. Im sure performance will be amazing going from 12 to 7nm

vapid crypt
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Well this looks like it could be about as big as a leap as Pascal

jade ermine
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i have saved up alot but it would be nice to not spend all on GPU you know

vapid crypt
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Oh and, 12nn is marketing. It's really 14nm refined

fleet canopy
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lel

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Not Intel, but eh

vapid crypt
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Yeah TSMC probably

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I'm waiting for Navi stuff though

fleet canopy
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I'm definitely excited to see what AMD has got for us

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The mention of ray tracing seems like a very interesting thing, and I'd love to see how it'll be like

jade ermine
fleet canopy
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Hm

jade ermine
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atleast the cooler looks better this time around

fleet canopy
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Guess so, yeah

jade ermine
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no more blower

fleet canopy
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Mhm

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I'd love a fan version of the reference 5700XT though

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I really liked that design tbh

vapid crypt
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They've had an axial reference since the 5600xt

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Just not released

fleet canopy
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Wait it looks like

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Basically an NVIDIA card but with red, black, and AMD

vapid crypt
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So they've been designing it since then

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Uh

fleet canopy
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Yeah that's pretty boring

vapid crypt
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I don't see it, but sure phaWesker

fleet canopy
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Just a liiiittle teeny difference in design

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Lemme try to get the same perspective on an NVIDIA

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Kind of similar when you look at it

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Really almost no difference

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Which iiiis pretty lame

jade ermine
sick reef
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2080 ti wasn't that disappointing.

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Mainly due to frame time consistency.

fleet canopy
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Damn, the fans don't work

jade ermine
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2080 Ti is great card

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too bad with block it was around 1500€ on release

fleet canopy
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Heard it was 2,000$ USD

sick reef
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Yeah, for the Kinguin 2080 Ti.

fleet canopy
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That was either a different currency or he really did pay 2K USD for it

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Kinguin, probably that I guess

sick reef
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Actually, the Kinguin 2080Ti was 1800.

jade ermine
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inb4 cad

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kinguin is literally only one that really stands out

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but almost 2k hehe

fleet canopy
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The prices of the 2080 Ti definitely did kind of drop after a while perhaps

jade ermine
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curious how they are now

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lets see

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cheapest here is 1200€ right now

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:)

fleet canopy
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That sounds like it was a pretty great version of a 2080 Ti at least

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Shame it's so expensive though

sick reef
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The kinguin is expensive because it's all custom.

jade ermine
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yes, 2265mhz with non-exotic cooling is pretty poggers

sick reef
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Akin it to buying a custom car compared to stock, in percentual price difference.

fleet canopy
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Some might say it was actually a good reason to the fucking high prices of the 2080 Ti cards

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But like

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Sure, it's kind of a huge step in technology, but also it's kind of meh

sick reef
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When you top the market, you set the standard of pricing.

fleet canopy
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And no one is really going to buy a 2080 Ti except 4K gamers, people who are pretty dum dum, and animation doohickey whatever

sick reef
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If people buy it at that price, they'll keep selling it at it.

fleet canopy
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Yeah

vapid crypt
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Ampere is gonna make RTX on turing a joke

jade ermine
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if they bring new dlss to monster hunter i will be extremely happy man

abstract kite
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But you'll still be Unlucky

fleet canopy
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kek

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Unlucky, where his GPU shits on him

void perch
fleet canopy
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One M.2? o:

vapid crypt
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If it was a year I got I would say look at Enermax's Liqtech for TR... but then it was found it has some kind of weird build up issue and it ends up dying after a year

fleet canopy
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Yeah

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There is this uhh, air cooler that looks like a dummy thicc boy

void perch
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it's a 2 TB and fastest M.2 available. I have space for more M.2's but would rather have total combined space. I have a NAS with 40+ TB if needed

fleet canopy
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Ah, yeah you do

vapid crypt
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Any good um 360mm AIO will do I'd say

fleet canopy
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What about the Gigabyte Aorus one? I probably heard they were good

vapid crypt
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The new Kraken's are really good from what I've seen

fleet canopy
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X73?

vapid crypt
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Yeah

fleet canopy
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I've heard it's improved a bit

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Can check out Gamers Nexus' review

jade ermine
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Funny how there is like 3x the amount of supported AIO's compared to air coolers for tr4

fleet canopy
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Because air cooling is a joke at more powerful chips

jade ermine
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It's not joke at all

vapid crypt
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Uh for TR its not a joke

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Its works pretty well

fleet canopy
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Well yeah

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Kind of wonder why though

vapid crypt
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Air Coolers are better than you think phaWesker

jade ermine
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Ofc its not going to hold up as well when you are doing benchmarking and OC

fleet canopy
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Well yeah

jade ermine
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but yeah

fleet canopy
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Air coolers don't take up the whole room

late sorrel
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yeah get a DH-15 or whatever it’s called

vapid crypt
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But yeah for Air coolers they have to make a specialized elongated coldplate model to fit the IHS

fleet canopy
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Those do have TR support I guess

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Or AMD's cooler

late sorrel
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Also, buying a 2080S would be a bad idea considering new graphics cards in like 6 months

vapid crypt
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Where as AIOs there's an adapter for it

jade ermine
#

NH-U14S is the one only noctua cooler for that socket

vapid crypt
#

Oh no new graphics cards are in probably 3 months

late sorrel
#

ah that one

#

Well still,

vapid crypt
#

All the more reason though

fleet canopy
#

There's three noctua coolers

#

There's also a Dark Rock Pro TR4, dunno how that is though

jade ermine
#

ah okay, amd has not updated their site then

fleet canopy
jade ermine
#

Wraith ripper is looks over perfomance

fleet canopy
#

True sadly

jade ermine
#

that thing does not perform as well as it looks

fleet canopy
#

It's fucking humongous though

jade ermine
#

I got the perfect cooler for it

jade ermine
vapid crypt
#

Uh

#

Wow

jade ermine
#

i know, availability is pretty meme

#

buut it shits on every other aircooler

#

lol

fleet canopy
#

Yeah it does

#

Fucking good as shit from what Linus reviewed on it

jade ermine
#

kitguru had very good review about it

#

compared it to that noctua cooler, bequiet! and AIO

#

Yea i vote for NH-U14S

void perch
jade ermine
#

thats all around amazing for it

void perch
#

Engineered in Austin, Texas

oh shit, that's where i live.
whoops, doxxing myself

cobalt lagoon
jade ermine
#

go knock on their door

void perch
#

hmm. ugly but tempting

jade ermine
#

Tested it with 3990X PBO on with no limiters, 95C with all coolers but icegiant allowed it to draw 125W more power than corsair 360mm AIO lol

void perch
#

so there's none available until september it sounds like?

jade ermine
#

That's what their site says. Might take even longer though.

late sorrel
#

I mean, you’d be waiting untill then for the new gpu’s anyway

fleet canopy
#

Or any of the newer CPUs, if they release ofc

void perch
#

ugh I want it now.. but I really should wait to save up, i mean that's probably when i'll have the cash anyways

late sorrel
#

you’re only gunna use the GPU for gaming, right?

fleet canopy
#

Better off waiting anyways

void perch
#

probably for transcoding videos too

fleet canopy
#

Videos, gaming, hm

late sorrel
#

usually that’s CPU bound, I think?

void perch
#

nah you can do HW GPU transcoding

fleet canopy
#

GPU has the NVEC coder doesn't it?

void perch
#

but i guess it wouldn't matter with 32 core threadripper lol

fleet canopy
#

Or only streaming, hm

void perch
#

well that cpu cooler has been reserved. lol

fleet canopy
#

Kek

late sorrel
#

There’s still no use case for a Radeon VII Pro

#

because that comes out around the same time

#

I was pretty sure you weren't doing cad work on the side, just wanted to make sure though

fleet canopy
#

I'm pretty sure by then, D0c already has had that set a long while ago

void perch
#

Now a case... any recommendations?

fleet canopy
#

Depends what you like

late sorrel
#

^ just look at cases

void perch
#

Probably a white case, I have a black one now. Something you can see into, want to see the beauty inside

late sorrel
#

I mean, just go to like Newegg and look at cases under “white”

void perch
#

ewww newegg

fleet canopy
#

There's a Lian Li O11 Dynamic, great for watercooling, there's a Crystal 680X

abstract kite
#

^

fleet canopy
#

Newegg is weird

#

But sometimes it's got something good

void perch
#

i refuse to use newegg, ever again.

fleet canopy
#

lmao

abstract kite
#

Bastards were 2 weeks late on an case order I made

fleet canopy
#

Bad experience?

#

f

#

Alright then

void perch
#

I would rather pay way more than have to use newegg

fleet canopy
#

There's also the O11 Dynamic XL if you want to see that

#

Big bigger so you get a fair more space

vapid crypt
#

I haven't had any problems with Newegg personally, its where I got my case gpu cpu and what not

abstract kite
#

Get the XL

void perch
#

Does the O11 support EATX? amazon says no..

vapid crypt
#

Uh would that cooler fit in that case?

fleet canopy
#

The XL does I believe

jade ermine
#

Meshify S2
O11D XL
You seem like you like ROG, They came up with white/silver Helios case wich ofc has its ROG tax
Enthoo 719, beast case but pretty sure there is no white version

#

And O11D XL fits e-atx

fleet canopy
#

Best for watercooling if you're going to be going that direction if you don't really wanna do air cooling, but the XL might fit big air coolers

vapid crypt
#

It does fit bigger air coolers

fleet canopy
#

Apparently the XL isn't EATX?

vapid crypt
#

The regular one has 155mm clearance

fleet canopy
#

I was pretty sure it did

jade ermine
#

XL fits E-ATX easily

vapid crypt
#

There's no mention of it

fleet canopy
#

Ah, yeah

#

The manufacture says it does

#

So yeah

vapid crypt
#

Well if the p120 crystal can do it the XL should be able to do it too phaWesker

fleet canopy
#

Other than just the nice stuff, there's an obvious "Aree Oh Gee!" 'certified' sticker shit on it

void perch
vapid crypt
#

Oh yeah it has an extension panel

fleet canopy
#

The XL is pretty much a "No worry for anything" kinda case ish

void perch
vapid crypt
#

And its ROG certified PirateSimon

void perch
#

This shows though without the extension board it supports EATX

fleet canopy
#

Are Oh Gee!

#

Extension board uhh

#

wut

jade ermine
#

of course it supports it but the board will just hang off from the side of it

vapid crypt
#

Well its cause E-ATX is an inconsistent standard

abstract kite
#

Don't size shame E-ATX

fleet canopy
#

Extra ATX

#

Ex ATX

#

Hm

vapid crypt
#

I'm shaming how inconsistent the dimensions are PirateSimon

jade ermine
#

Define 7 XL would be good option too but its just a big black box

#

zero worries about stuff fitting in tho

abstract kite
#

E-ATX Senpai is fine

void perch
#

hot swappable drive bays
using SSD's
kek

jade ermine
abstract kite
#

I need another storage device

#

1TB ain't cutting it

void perch
#

i used to own a dual xeon system i used as a desktop machine like 10+ years ago

fleet canopy
#

Same

#

Gotta grab me a 2TB

#

Imagine going for a 2TB SSD

#

👀

void perch
#

alright.. we have a case picked

#

hnnng this is going to be a nice build

abstract kite
#

You mean flushing around $250 down the drain?

fleet canopy
#

lel

#

More like

#

Flushing nearly 2-4K USD down the drain

vapid crypt
#

Just bolt everything to the motherboard box phaWesker

void perch
#

funny thing is, this machine is going to have more CPU cores and RAM than my actual server

fleet canopy
#

lmao

void perch
#

well only starting with 128 GB ram so not just yet.. server has 192 gb

#

but i plan to double the ram in this build later if needed, hence 4 sticks instead of 8

fleet canopy
#

Wonder what D0c is going to use that 128GB ram for

#

Probably like

#

2 chrome tabs!

void perch
#

never closing chrome, ever

vapid crypt
#

You know

#

Stuff

void perch
#

haha

fleet canopy
#

It's kind of a shame that Chrome is such a really flexible browser, but has some shit for having private data

vapid crypt
#

Linus did that video where he used an Epyc set up with 2tb of RAM and seeing how many tabs could he have open

#

The system got way too slow by the time it was utilizing 40gb

#

If I recall correctly

fleet canopy
#

lel

torn ferry
#

Is Aorus Master the higher end of motherboards?

vapid crypt
#

I think so

#

Aorus Extreme would be their absolute Highest end

abstract kite
#

I hope that the new RTX Line gets here soon... I'd like to play the remastered crisis at at least 30FPS..

vapid crypt
#

Uh I'm 100% certain that Ampere will be faster than that

#

Ampere RTX is said to be 4x faster than Turing RTX

abstract kite
#

That joke went right over your head. Lol

torn ferry
#

Is Aorus Master too much for what I need though?

vapid crypt
#

Yeah it did cause everyone knows the joke is 24fps for true cinematics PirateSimon

#

Probably, I mean it won't give you better game performance after all

fleet canopy
#

I'll probably be playing it in 15FPS

#

Might even be 10

vapid crypt
#

I think Turing's RTX will show its age in the next couple years

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

vapid crypt
#

Well into the new consoles

fleet canopy
#

Maybe not with DLSS 2.0

vapid crypt
#

Well that's the thing

#

Right now that's supported in specific games, typically the ones that support RTX though I suppose

torn ferry
#

So am I able to wipe thermal paste off with a water dampened paper towel or will that damage it?

vapid crypt
#

But there's gonna be a DLSS 3 and there's no guarantee Turing will support that

fleet canopy
#

Won't damage it

vapid crypt
#

If its overly saturated you're risking damaging the motherboard

fleet canopy
#

If you can grab rubbing alcohol, just grab that

torn ferry
#

99%?

vapid crypt
#

99% what?

fleet canopy
#

Alcohol

torn ferry
#

99% isopropyl alcohol or a lower percentage?

vapid crypt
#

That doesn't matter, higher the better though

abstract kite
#

Just 99%

lilac geyser
#

70% is fine

vapid crypt
#

70% works fine

torn ferry
#

Do I dry it off afterwards or just let it sit out to dry?

fleet canopy
#

It dries pretty fast

vapid crypt
#

Alcohol evaporates very quickly

torn ferry
#

Will pressing too hard onto the IHS damage it?

abstract kite
#

I'm my experience while you are trying to put the other paste on the alcohols has already dried

vapid crypt
#

No

terse remnant
#

how do i know if my pc is temperature throttling

abstract kite
#

Drop in performance like FPS

terse remnant
#

my computer has had a problem where my games drop to 10fp every 15 seconds

vapid crypt
#

All games?

lilac geyser
#

rowanmc: clock speeds will drop for nominal

terse remnant
#

yes

lilac geyser
#

*from

vapid crypt
#

Yeah that might be throttling

abstract kite
#

Do you have a pre built pc?

terse remnant
#

i thought it was just intensive games, but then i noticed it happen on osrs too

#

acer nitro 5

abstract kite
#

So yes?

vapid crypt
#

If its happening in OSRS everything must be running hot

terse remnant
#

yes

#

another thing that raised an eyebrow was the temperature on nitrosense

#

85-94 c

lilac geyser
#

hot

terse remnant
#

while my gpu was at a cool 67

abstract kite
#

I seen a few videos of Pre-Builts still having that "Please remove this sticker" on the bottom of the CPU Cooler

vapid crypt
#

Most throttling tends to happen after 95C

fleet canopy
#

That's a really hot one

vapid crypt
#

So this is a laptop right

terse remnant
#

yeah

abstract kite
#

Oh

terse remnant
#

i can give you the exact model

vapid crypt
#

Yeah they're never thermally reliable after some time

lilac geyser
#

could be dust build up, or thermal paste turned into cement

terse remnant
#

nitro AN515-43

vapid crypt
#

You could open it up, dust it out and maybe replace the thermal paste

terse remnant
#

does it matter what thermal paste i buy?

vapid crypt
#

Hopefully it doesn't have a dead fan

abstract kite
#

Very much so

vapid crypt
#

Uh more or less, anything would be an improvement actually

abstract kite
#

Most would recommend Grizzly Thermal, no?

terse remnant
#

the fan still works, when i turn the speed up the fps drops become less and less frequent

lilac geyser
#

yeah if it is bad paste, ANY paste is probably better

terse remnant
#

but i am a complete pc noob

vapid crypt
#

I would say get Artic Mx-4

terse remnant
#

so it took me a while to come to this conclusion

vapid crypt
#

Lasts pretty long

lilac geyser
#

get non-conductive thermal paste, which is almost all thermal pastes

vapid crypt
#

I've always heard thermal grizzly needs to be reapplied annually

terse remnant
#

i just bought the mx-4

#

there was a deal

fleet canopy
#

Quick

terse remnant
#

would it be worth investing in a cooling pad

fleet canopy
#

Like a graphite pad?

#

Uh

vapid crypt
#

Its not a bad idea, it works well and last probably forever

fleet canopy
#

It's reusable

#

Which isn't your concern really

terse remnant
#

i just want to extend the life of this laptop

vapid crypt
#

It won't make too much of a difference honestly

#

Mx-4 easily will do well for like 4 or 5 years probably

terse remnant
#

awesome

#

hopefully this works

abstract kite
#

Whenever you reapply Thermal Paste do you need to also remove the old paste?

vapid crypt
#

Yes of course

abstract kite
#

Damn... Thought my lazy ass could get around it xD

terse remnant
#

can i just use a tissue to do it?

vapid crypt
#

Uh no

#

Though honestly old thermal paste is almost like dust half of the time phaWesker

dry schooner
#

they sell clean pads but you can use a microfiber cloth

abstract kite
#

I used toilet paper. Lol

vapid crypt
#

The tried and true DIY method is rubbing alcohol and coffee filters

terse remnant
#

if i use toilet paper whats the worst that could happen

vapid crypt
#

Coffee filters doesn't leave behind fibers

abstract kite
#

Depends on the brand

dry schooner
#

you get tp fibers all over

abstract kite
#

^

vapid crypt
#

Toiler paper is designed to fall apart when submerged in water

abstract kite
#

Ehh it worked well for me, but if I could I'd use a microfiber cloth

terse remnant
#

so i soak the toilet paper and ring it out over the cpu, then wipe

vapid crypt
#

No don't do that phaWesker

abstract kite
#

What? No

terse remnant
#

im joking hahah

abstract kite
#

Lmao

vapid crypt
#

Just let it soak in a full tub, water cooling does wonders PirateSimon

abstract kite
#

I heard about that

#

When you are stressing a computer out sending it on a spa day does it some good.

dry schooner
abstract kite
#

A nice mineral bath

dry schooner
#

nothing like it after a hard day of thermal meltdown

lilac geyser
#

thermal grizzly says "high long-term stability" so to me that means at least 10 years

#

for what i expect

#

for "long-term"

#

how long it actually lasts, idk

torn ferry
#

Should I not install the 6 other fans yet or do cable management ahead of time before I get the new board?

#

10700k on Amazon for $500, amazing price gouging.

#

10900k is $1100.

abstract kite
#

I'd say put Case Fans in first imo

fleet canopy
#

Hold on

#

1100$ USD for a 10900K

#

Where the fuck is that coming from

abstract kite
#

From the Moon

#

Did you not hear? Elon has made it and colonized the Moon and Mars.

fleet canopy
#

Wild

#

Must be the 500$ shipping

abstract kite
#

Next up Bio-Engineered cat girls.

fleet canopy
#

Mm, oh yeah

earnest rose
#

hmmmm.... plz yes

next kelp
#

yupper

#

and fox girls but id take either tbh

fleet canopy
#

Me or the cat girls, hm?

#

kek

earnest rose
#

both

abstract kite
#

Fox girls are better

#

they have the floofy tails

earnest rose
#

true

#

but cat girls and headpats

fleet canopy
#

Kitsunes and headpats

jade ermine
#

Every day. We stray further from god.

next kelp
#

no.

#

we dont.

#

this is exactly what was intended from the start

#

he did not have enough power to make cat and fox girls

#

which is why he gave Elon the power

earnest rose
#

If Elon creates Animal Girls...... then hell yeah

spice tapir
#

If Elon makes cat girls a real thing I will buy every tesla model and buy stocks from him

earnest rose
#

yes

#

for sure

vapid crypt
fleet canopy
#

Linux gaming

torn ferry
#

Should I use just paper towel with the rubbing alcohol to clean thermal paste or should I use a microfiber cloth with it?

fleet canopy
#

Microfiber is best, paper towel isn't too bad ish

torn ferry
#

Do I just pour enough onto the cloth to dampen it and then wipe?

fleet canopy
#

Just a bit, yeah

torn ferry
#

Should I only wipe across the paste and not in circles?

fleet canopy
#

Just wipe it however

#

Have you ever wanted a quad core CPU from Intel that didn't cost so much goddamn money?

#

Ok bye

vapid crypt
#

What chipset does that even run on?

fleet canopy
#

Ihh

#

It says

#

Think it said 1366

river thistle
#

Xeons suck 😦

vapid crypt
#

That's the socket, but not the chipset

proper wren
#

owo

abstract kite
#

@torn ferry

fleet canopy
#

Hah

#

Nice intro

abstract kite
#

Muppy and them gave me this video when I first did what you are doing and it helped so much

fleet canopy
#

I did?

#

I mean, if I did

#

That's neat

#

Techquickie is so useful sometimes tbh

#

From seeing the video, I wonder if CPU have increased or decreased in sizes

abstract kite
#

Wish CPU Coolers were that easy to take on and off

fleet canopy
#

Mm, some are

#

But not the Dank Rock Pro 4

#

You gotta be dank, have dank rock-strong fingers, and have at least 4 fingers to even manage to take it off/on

abstract kite
#

When I need to take this damn thing off I am gonna need to rezip tie the middle fan...

torn ferry
#

Do all coolers follow the same process of needing to install a bracket onto the back of the motherboard?

vapid crypt
#

Not all coolers, no

#

And its a backplate

abstract kite
#

The first CPU I had did not need the backplate or brackets. lol The Backplate was just kinda hanging there.

torn ferry
#

I am wondering if I should just use an air cooler instead.

vapid crypt
#

There are a lot of cases where it just uses whatever backplate is there, and you just have mounting hardware around the CPU

#

But you already have that cooler, why the change of mind?

torn ferry
#

Unsure.

abstract kite
#

Listen Shawn.

#

Do not let your dreams be memes.

torn ferry
#

I don't really have that many dreams.

abstract kite
#

Neither do I.

torn ferry
#

I'm just scared my next motherboard will be a defective one too.

vapid crypt
#

The odds of getting two defective motherboards in a row is extremely slim

torn ferry
#

Should I work on cable management stuff now or wait until I have parts again?

vapid crypt
#

Do it if you want to

torn ferry
#

Is cable management hard?

fleet canopy
#

Not if you try

vapid crypt
#

Its just organizing and routing cables to the best possible locations

torn ferry
#

Wondering if I should just go buy some Cablemod cables.

abstract kite
#

Wouldn't hurt

#

Better to have them and not need them then need them and not have them.

torn ferry
#

They'll probably be better than the Corsair ones I got.

#

There aren't enough cable combs on them.

fleet canopy
#

If you don't like the Corsair's cables, then go for cable mod if you want

torn ferry
#

About to clean thermal paste off, do I dump some of the rubbing alcohol on the cloth or pour a thin layer of it onto like a paper plate and then dip one side of the cloth on it?

abstract kite
#

Shawn

#

Do you have a table?

torn ferry
#

Yes.

abstract kite
#

Have you watched this Dumpster Fire beautiful build guide?

torn ferry
#

Should I take the processor out of the motherboard before wiping the paste off or leave it in?

fleet canopy
#

Everything you need is in the video

torn ferry
abstract kite
#

Gross a Intel User

fleet canopy
#

Lel

#

I’d take that over my 7700K

torn ferry
#

On the AIO pump, there are 3 spots that won't get clean.

torn ferry
#

Is that permanent on the copper?

#

Or am I fine?

fleet canopy
#

It can be cleaned off, but I wouldn’t really mind it too much anyways

torn ferry
#

So both are good now?

#

Hopefully the thermal paste I ordered arrives tomorrow.

lilac geyser
#

i just hope its not the cpu or ram thats bad

#

you get the same model motherboard again?

fleet canopy
#

Nah, he went for a Gigabyte Aorud

#

Fucking can’t spell for shit

torn ferry
#

I'm switching to Aorus Pro most likely.

fleet canopy
#

So you haven’t ordered it yet?

torn ferry
#

Will be ordering it soon.

lilac geyser
#

you tried all the ram sticks in the working slot to tell they are good, right?

torn ferry
#

Yes.

lilac geyser
#

👍

torn ferry
#

I put the RAM in my prebuilt and it works perfectly.

lilac geyser
#

what is the prebuilt?

torn ferry
#

The specs?

lilac geyser
#

yeah

proper wren
#

one of my locations got a dusty pc lol

bright shard
#

that image made my eyes water.

abstract kite
#

Something that PC needs.

eternal cairn
#

It definitely looks parched.

#

Did somebody not realize their fans stopped working after about a year? 😆

proper wren
#

hmm

torn ferry
#

Defective Asus board boxed up and ready to be RMAed.

vapid crypt
#

That pc looks like its been sitting in a dirty warehouse running nonstop for about 3 years

clear quartz
jade ermine
fleet canopy
fleet canopy
#

Amazing for a 65 year old man who's worked in Aerospace engineering, and apparently never even touched something like a 3990X

#

It's so goddamn expensive though

#

Only thing you have to worry about is your wife who probably get very disappointed, and your wallet going empty

#

For about 1400$ less, the 3970X exists

dense wasp
#

haha, Wife-rage is not desirable !

#

I mean I have my 3950x so I'm happy,

Thinking about getting a 3990x as our new build-server for GTFO

fleet canopy
#

Ah

#

For a tech channel, Gamers Nexus surely does take a look into the Cyberpunk 2077 delay GWjianGodLUL

abstract kite
#

Good morning

dense wasp
#

mornin

abstract kite
#

Hey Ludvig. I haven't seen you in a while. How are things going?

brisk badger
#

restless finding the golden CPU

abstract kite
#

Impossible

#

No such thing exists in the mortal plane

brisk badger
#

I wonder what happened to Shawn, the Questioneer

fleet canopy
#

Probably gone

#

🎊

brisk badger
#

he's coming with the batch of questions 😋

fleet canopy
#

Haha

abstract kite
#

Lol

fleet canopy
#

"Ok I put the thermal paste in the socket before the CPU, but it's not working. Plz help!!!11!!"

#

"And I used mayonnaise"

abstract kite
#

Isn't mayonnaise an instrument?

dense wasp
#

I'm alright Gal,
planning our new buildserver

abstract kite
#

And don't be to hard on someone who's asking questions 😂

#

That's cool, Ludvig.

#

Also

#

$49 for a 2080Ti

fleet canopy
#

Buy

void perch
#

I'll take 50 please

abstract kite
#

Lmao

dense wasp
#

seems legit

abstract kite
#

Definitely legit

terse remnant
#

i applied the thermal paste

#

holy shit my temperature dropped so much

#

i was at 60c idle

#

now im at 35

#

this is epic

dense wasp
#

nice gains

fleet canopy
#

Neato

terse remnant
#

previously at 90c when gaming

#

now at 63

#

this is fantastic, i can finally play games without massive fps drops every 10 seconds

merry bay
#

when was the last time it was changed?

#

maybe it's also the combo of cleaning out dust/hair?

#

sounds like a really dramatic change

abstract kite
#

So is the B550 worth the price?

#

Thinking of upgrading

fleet canopy
#

Depends I guess, you can check out the specs they got

#

If a B550 is like 170$ or more, just go for a X570

jade ermine
#

.

abstract kite
#

Why? Is it because D0c said no?

#

Nope, as much as I wish it was. It just never worked with the last computers now :(

dense wasp
#

new Ampere numbers seem neato

fleet canopy
#

Some might be correct, some might be wrong

#

Like whatever that 80 something was

tepid burrow
#

why there so hard?☹️ i bad know English,hmm,this Discord server have "comutity chat"?for players,talk in game-e.g. "who go to boss :Beast king"

lilac geyser
spiral bloom
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do we have any info on when DDR5 mobo's will launch?

fleet canopy
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When DDR5 becomes mainstream

spiral bloom
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all I heard was early 2021

fleet canopy
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Well possibly

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I just know that we're going to have to deal with DDR5 still needing to be worked on more

tepid burrow
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@lilac geyser thank

fleet canopy
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So until it's a great option, and it's much more mainstream/available, I don't think we'll ever need to care about it

spiral bloom
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it'll be twice as fast as DDR-4 but the average person doesn't notice that

fleet canopy
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Not unless you're going to need DDR5

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And I don't think I'd say it'll be unnoticeable

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I'd say we'll see great improvements with Ryzen based system, perhaps

spiral bloom
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by the average person I do not mean gamers

fleet canopy
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Ah, true

spiral bloom
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I mean the casual office desk users

fleet canopy
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The non gamers and non PC workstation users

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But it'll be mainstream, just like DDR4

spiral bloom
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I'm still on DDR3

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was waiting to upgrade when DDR5 hits

fleet canopy
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lol dang

spiral bloom
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but dont know if I can wait that long

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2600K is pushing the limits

fleet canopy
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Eh, I would not upgrade straightaway imo

merry bay
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DDR5 won't hit consumers first. So if you really want the very first motherboards with it, you'll overpay for a product not meant for you.

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At least for AMD, they hinted for 2022 as their aim

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but it's not an announcement, just an internal roadmap reveal. (better than a leak, not an announcement)

fleet canopy
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And still, it's not worth getting DDR5 the second it releases

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It's gonna have to go through more time to get it right

merry bay
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Unless willing to potentially troubleshoot often and pay a premium

fleet canopy
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Indeed

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Just not recommended for someone who wants to just put it in and expect no problems

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And also, the memory will definitely be faster, but we're not gonna have that straight away

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I'd expect half a year or another year for it to be working alright

spiral bloom
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I'm just heavily doubting whether to go for AMD or intel

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using a 970 atm so should upgrade that too

merry bay
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going for a budget system now and splurging a few years later when DDR5 hits without too much anticipation could be nice too.
Would be a massive improvement if you only have 4 cores 4 threads for example

fleet canopy
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Yeah, it's easy to get a pretty great budget build

spiral bloom
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Nah I don't want a budget PC

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I want to buy something now that'll last me for at least 5 years

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I've had this thing since 2012

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i7 2600k is pulling its weight

fleet canopy
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Get a budget PC

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Everything that's going into the budget build is going to be miles better than your 8 year old PC

spiral bloom
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probably not

fleet canopy
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Oh it definitely will

spiral bloom
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i5's aren't that much better even for newer generations

fleet canopy
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We got a CPU that's only 100$ and beats a 7700K

spiral bloom
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I'd get the 10700K

fleet canopy
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We get that, sure

spiral bloom
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or the AMD equivalent, but don't know anything about AMD

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budget is 2k€ anyway

fleet canopy
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But if you just do a budget build, and then buy when all the good parts release, you still got a lot to spend

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And it's really going to be significantly better than your PC

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Not significant, no

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But miles better

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Just

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It's gotten so much better in the budget side of PCs

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Back when the 7700K was the king, it was 300-400$

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Now you got the 3300X, it's literally a 7700K but 85-100$

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Even I'm surprised of it, being an owner of a 7700K

merry bay
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You'd end up waiting 2-4 years until something stable and groundbreaking pops up that's not a ripoff. (for DDR5)
Honestly spending less than half of your current budget seems worthwhile. Maybe lay out a foundation for the monster you're aiming for once it arrives.
e. x. serious PSU, Case, Cooler along with a budget motherboard, CPU and RAM