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#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
jade ermine
torn ferry
What does a broken Intel CPU look like?
vapid crypt
Since Intel uses LGA, where the pins are on the mohterboard; basically if a pad falls off the CPU that's it
But that's not likely to happen compared to a pin bending
Or well... breaking off
jade ermine
That mobo i fucked that one pin up ended up being really fun build.
torn ferry
I mean like if I were to go buy a 9900k later in the future and then somehow drop the box it comes in, is the processor broken like that or is it a lot less fragile than an egg?
jade ermine
You would have to really really smash that box to damage it
vapid crypt
Not at all likely
jade ermine
Its not getting a direct hit because of that plastic flap its in. + the box outside of that
torn ferry
I'm just scared that when I go to take out the processor in my current PC, that I will then accidentally drop it and damage it, or accidentally touch the gold pads.
jade ermine
just dont start throwing it and you aint going to damage it
torn ferry
Do you install AIOs outside first and then put the radiator on the mount or install the entire AIO inside the case?
vapid crypt
Just install the the mounting hardware on the motherboard outside the case, and install the AIO after putting the motherboard in.
torn ferry
I assume you're not supposed to tighten screws a lot either?
jade ermine
Just use common sense when tightening it
vapid crypt
Tighten evenly for each screw, and in a criss cross manor
And yeah you want to go as tight as what's called "wrist" tight
If you can't turn the screw just using your wrist anymore, stop
torn ferry
Is finger tight too loose?
vapid crypt
Probably
You need proper pressure, if its too loose it won't contact and cool properly
torn ferry
Today, the motherboard arrives.
lilac geyser
what is it
vapid crypt
Asus ROG Strix Z390-E I believe
lilac geyser
gamer-y
restive garnet
finger tight is perfectly fine
if you have to strain to get it tighter, you are probably gunna cause some damage
theres a point where it suddenly takes a decent amount of effort to screw any further, and at that point i find its best to just give it a half assed extra turn and leave it at that
as for dropping your CPU, never tried it, but linus has, dropped a 10 grand CPU about 5 feet and crushed it slightly
they arent terribly fragile, but dont go throwing them around
vapid crypt
That was amusing
fleet canopy
Dang
Well just don’t be scared or anxious when you build a computer
It’ll cause you to be clumsy
And it’s really easy like regular LEGOs
opal wagon
Remember to drop your $400 processor into place
It's the percussive force which really settles it in nicely
torn ferry
Motherboard arrived.
I know that you have to keep the cover thing that pops off after putting the CPU in so you can return the motherboard if it ever gets damaged.
lilac geyser
thermal paste goes on the cpu, not on the motherboard
sick reef
The most common fault people do that get CPU/motherboards damaged is that people drop them in too violently.
fleet canopy
Just place it in
restive garnet
most sockets use a Zero Insertion Force method, you generally just line it up and let it go, then close the retention bracket on it
or at least, AMD boards do, my intel board had a plastic bracket that you put the CPU into, before putting the whole thing in the socket
also, after looking at that thing primer posted, i now wish to kill myself
gentleman, its been a pleasure
vapid crypt
That bracket thing is unnecessary, you can just drop right in with any cpu socket
Maybe there was a time where you had to use force, but that obviously hasn't been the case for a very long time
Though that reminds me of the Verge build video where the guy shows the bracket or whatever its called and put the CPU in it; but then it cut to him finishing dropping it into the socket and the bracket was sitting there on the table 
torn ferry
Or when he said that every power supply comes with a big bag of cables.
Or when he puts no fans on the radiator and then uses the long screws which probably broke the AIO by drilling holes into the heatsink.
fleet canopy
It was either the wrong screws, or there were no fans to support the screws being any easier than it should have been
Actually I’ve never seen a radiator where you had to put the fans in the radiator
So just wrong screws
vapid crypt
Yeah those screws are for mounting the fan to the radiator starting from the fan side
fleet canopy
Wrong name for some tools, some very unnecessary tools, a live strong bracelet, PSU called a brick and put in fan facing wrong way, RAM being DDR4-2666 which apparently is fast and placed in the wrong slots, put in the motherboard before having added anything like RAM, CPU, cooler unless it was an AIO, any slot apparently is fine for GPU, fucking lucky dude didn’t place it in wrong life lane, probably something about RAM being fine in any side to place in, too much thermal paste, locked the frame to 144 for a benchmark, I/O called a brace and was put in as being said “hammer it in”, M.2 was placed without standoffs so it bends for gay pride instead of being straight, you need a table, needed a multi tool thingy which “hopefully” has a screwdriver in it
What else
Fucking messy cable job
vapid crypt
We're building this PC by fighting cancer and using hopes and dreams 
fleet canopy
Would have been worth it I guess in 2019 for RTX cards on AI learning and how to defeat it
vapid crypt
Oh that reminds me, I saw this video from Coreteks the other day where he speculated that the reason the leaked Nvidia cooler probably looks the way it does is because the fan on the back is cooling a Traversal Co-processor that would be on the other side of the PCB opposite the GPU.
fleet canopy
Or the RTX cards released 2018 but the non Super was a shit show at first
fleet canopy
Not so cool
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
Guess it was a hot topic with the tech guys 😎
abstract kite
Im proud of you for that lit comment
fleet canopy
Speaking of that, I remembered about the AMD’s side for ray tracing
Really hope it goes well, cause that’ll be neat to have for a next GPU
vapid crypt
If that leak I saw yesterday is true, then it would be a less than 5% loss in FPS
fleet canopy
Just on par with RTX
vapid crypt
And the alleged 6900XT is 32% faster than a 2080ti on average. Which sounds good, but considering it has 80CUs I'm not sure that sounds all too great. That's based on leaks that might not even be true though so
abstract kite
If we get good drivers for the 6900XT and it's competitively priced compared to Ampere, I might consider that to be honest
fleet canopy
I always considered for a 5700XT before, it was just a matter of RTX or not
Turns out to be drivers or not lol
broken wraith
my Laptop spec :
i7 - 7700HQ
(-0.137V Undervolt underclock to 3.1 GHz)
12 Gigs of ram
1050 2GB
and i have to ply the game with 1024 resolution to get atleast 60 FPS ( not in combat situation )
fleet canopy
Neat
Better than 900p but not by so much ish
At least you get 60FPS, better than nothing
broken wraith
well it's playable at least
i ma try 300 resolution lmao everything turn into blockish object
and 300 FPS lmao
fleet canopy
Can’t really understand what you mean by 300 resolution thougg
broken wraith
the lowest possible resolution
vapid crypt
200x300 or whatever
broken wraith
yesh lol
vapid crypt
Or 400x300 I don't remember all the resolutions
fleet canopy
It’s clearly 16x9
broken wraith
if i run the game with full 1080 my laptop will probably beg me to pour water on it and end it's miserable life
broken wraith
yes 300FPS but you can't see anything beside potato shaped stuff
because everything turn into "potaty"
restive garnet
be easy to hit headshots tho
never mind that their head takes up 3/4 of the screen
restive garnet
you can walk through any security door if you cheat enough 😎
broken wraith
with built in 300 FPS cheat yes i can XD
torn ferry
Is the graphics card held down by one screw or two screws?
fleet canopy
It depends
If it takes up two of the lil bars on the back of a case, you need two screws
Well maybe not needed, but better than not having them
torn ferry
So unscrew the card and then reach for the latch on the PCIE slot?
late sorrel
yep
torn ferry
The latch seems to be difficult to get to with my fingers.
restive garnet
it probably will be
just push on the end of the latch with a screw driver, or something similar
torn ferry
And I can't get Discord to work on my phone, so how am I going to get help for the build?
torn ferry
What should I do with the parts of my current PC that I won't use?
restive garnet
depends what you have left over
but id probably just stick them in anti static bags and put them in a box
either sell them, give them to a friend or family member, or reuse them later on for an HTPC or a NAS server
torn ferry
I'm more scared about cable management.
abstract kite
Fear is a pathway to the dark side. No good is fear to you.
torn ferry
Do power supplies come with an 8 plus 6 pin cable for the GPU?
merry bay
Not all will have it. I'm fairly certain yours will, since it's not bottom of the barrel stuff.
late sorrel
usually, yeah
late sorrel
my CX550 came with two 6+2’s
restive garnet
you could always check the product page for yours
late sorrel
All I needed was a 6 so it was ok
restive garnet
see in the specs what comes in the box
i get why they tend to come with 8+6s, but its a pain in the ass for cable clutter
wheat quail
Rate my build?
restive garnet
now i just have 2 useless cables hanging down over my bottom fans
late 90s vault tec
very lore friendly
give it a solid 5/7
and then on closer inspection its entirely hotwheels
gunna have to drop you to a solid 2
wheat quail
It's a sleeper
How dare you disrespect my hot wheels
It's a machine a pure speed and power
restive garnet
my mum died because of a hot wheels car
slipped over it and fell down a stair case
ill never forget her dying words
wheat quail
Kerchow
acoustic crane
strange prism
my pc is epic win
torn ferry
So the PSU will come with an 8 plus 6 connector since it seems my GPU uses one?
merry bay
We don't know your PSU model so it's hard to say. Would need to figure out the model and look it up in the manual, which should be trivial to find online.
but 8+6 is the most common these days
broken wraith
rate my setup
that blocky thing is a heatsink and it serve a purpose of additional cooling by sitting on top of the CPU Piping
brisk badger
Shawn, one day someone will come and yell at you: RTFM.
Good idea with the cooler. looks a bit dangerous in terms of the heatsink scratching the display.
-1 point for not covering your camera. +2 points for using probably every port the notebook has
proper wren
fleet canopy
Wonder what’s the deal with the camera on a laptop
mystic orbit
Wonder what’s the deal with the camera on a laptop
@fleet canopy what do you mean?
brisk badger
an application can secretely record you. rarely seen someone using his integrated webcam so it's good to cover incase you dont need it
fleet canopy
Well that’s true. The only place I know that really uses it on laptops is my entire school ish
brisk badger
If you use it i guess its fine to not cover it😁
I wonder if notebook webcam are somewhat useable today. They looked god awful for a long time
fleet canopy
I mean, the hurr hurr chromebook camera is okay
The only real need for it are z00m meetings
Haven’t ever used it for that yet though, I use the camera I borrow from my brother, think it was a 4K which is supposed to record at 60FPS?
brisk badger
hahaha MAYBE.
No in the IT it's commonly used and referred to as: Read The Fucking Manual
torn ferry
Oh, I thought it was going to be Refill The Fucking Macaroni.
brisk badger
luckily i am no longer at work else my colleagues would have assumed i am on discord because i laughed out
where do you even find these
if you type RTFM into google it will show the correct one
merry bay
i was delighted to discover Reboot The Freaking Machine also fits
brisk badger
haha would be perfect in IT support.
"Before we start, did you RTFM already?"
dense wasp
Hmm,
Worth going 10900k for a gaming rig instead of AMD now?
My 3950x rig might be “banished” to build server duty.
So I might need to build a new rig 😅
late sorrel
ludvig noo
dense wasp
😅
vapid crypt
I suppose if you have the money and could pull some kind of miracle of finding one since everything new is basically a paper launch atm go right ahead
torn ferry
The AIO arrived.
jade ermine
Knowing the resolution ludvig plays on there will be zero difference between amd and intel
when it comes to gaming
jade ermine
True that!
dense wasp
I mean, this computer for desktop work and gaming is a bit too much 😄
but since we need a build server upgrade as well, it's nice to already have it built and ready to go
late sorrel
yeah
it’s basically a boosted version of the 3800
I’m just saying you could just do a quick downgrade because you won’t see much loss game dev wise but you would build server wise
late sorrel
not to my knowledge
you’d still be spending about the same amount probably
Just that you wouldn’t have to faf about replacing the mobo in your pc
clear quartz
wouldn't it be best to wait for zen 3?
late sorrel
probably
clear quartz
more cores
late sorrel
ryzen 4k?
clear quartz
more speed
late sorrel
also it seems that ludvig would need a new server sooner rather than later tho
dense wasp
I meant what waiting was 🥳
clear quartz
waiting is waiting
dense wasp
Nvidias new cards should be coming after summer sometime also right, that will also be fun
clear quartz
i wanna see what amd cook up
dense wasp
Zen 3 would be late 2020 I guess?'
clear quartz
i thought it was summer September
late sorrel
looking forward to RDNA2 cards tho
clear quartz
^^
jade ermine
XT ones are coming first week of july
clear quartz
finally AMD has hardware enabled RT
upgrading now would be a risky investment
since it'll be most likely old gen by end of the year
late sorrel
what if you’re stuck in a shit situation and your cpu broke
jade ermine
just get cheapo cpu for short time and sell it later this year
late sorrel
like, I’d love to wait but I’m not going 4 months on 800x600 gtfo
jade ermine
hehe
clear quartz
maybe buy a cheap one and hold on or just plain wait
late sorrel
considering doing a 3600
jade ermine
3300X
dense wasp
RDNA2 btw?
late sorrel
paper launch tho
clear quartz
@late sorrel buy a raspberry and game on it
late sorrel
raytracing
dense wasp
ah
late sorrel
I actually have a Pi4gb
jade ermine
Boys in red have been talking about big boy AMD card for some time now
dense wasp
I heard rumors about a 3090 btw,
you guys think that's true?
sick reef
Most likely.
jade ermine
Im thinking its plausible. They can just rename titan to 3090.
late sorrel
yeah 3090 will happen
dense wasp
true,
hard to see where it would compete, if it would just be a beefed up 3080 ti?
sick reef
Unlikely.
dense wasp
Mega 3090 Master TI
jade ermine
Hope you all have your wallets thick
clear quartz
it's gonna be a good year
jade ermine
because im sure 3080Ti and 3090 or whatever it will be called will send you back pretty penny
clear quartz
im curious as how UE5 will be on the new GPUs
clear quartz
anyone else saw the UE5 demo on PS5?
dense wasp
@jade ermine you just have to know the right people...
clear quartz
if that's on ps, i cant wait for pc
dense wasp
and perks of working with dev work,
I can make company expenses for all hardware related stuff.
or I mean, we all have our own companies, but still
late sorrel
psh, a 2080Ti? Yep, 100 gtfo copies
jade ermine
Well OBVIOUSLY i was talking to AVERAGE CONSUMERS here
.....
:D
clear quartz
MFW low on freelance translation gigs
jade ermine
@dense wasp can report to us peasants how they are since he is ending up with the hottest stuff one way or another
clear quartz
still it's good sign tho
dense wasp
average consumer peasants .. 😂
vapid crypt
Don't sell yourself short, you bought GTFO right?
torn ferry
Can anyone find an adapter that can allow the Phanteks Neon strips to connect to the Lighting Node Pro?
late sorrel
I think Ulf singlehandedly owns the gtfo ip
clear quartz
late sorrel
probably a good thing, esp. considering what happened with payday the heist
dense wasp
😅
torn ferry
As far as I know, the devs working here were the ones actually behind what made Payday 2 successful?
late sorrel
about half are
dense wasp
I don’t buy all the hw we use tho 😛 @jade ermine my 2080ti is all nice guys at Nvidia
late sorrel
Or the majority, yeah
most left after launch tho
so the current game isn’t really respective of their work
torn ferry
Is Ulf the one who moved from Overkill's The Walking Dead to here?
late sorrel
no
late sorrel
ulf left mid 2014 from overkill
clear quartz
that might explain why Walking dead is not really a good game
late sorrel
there was a lot of pressure from the devs for a launch window
they had to change engines half way through
so it wasn’t very good because it wasn’t polished at all
brisk badger
blame the publisher who set the deadlines
clear quartz
always blame the publisher not the devs
brisk badger
No one noticed how often games are so well made in the start, and the end is like a joke. Speaking about the world detail, sometimes story etc
torn ferry
What has been the worst thing in the Diesel engine, Ludvig?
dense wasp
Haha its just a buggy mess
Or it was when I worked with it on grin like 10 years ago
😅
It had memory leaks, then got even more memory leaks cause the fixes for the memory leaks also leaked..
late sorrel
so you’re enjoying unity then?
brisk badger
today, devs upgrade to 64bit and call it a day
sick reef
Just tell the memory not to leak.
brisk badger
it's not environmental friendly 😠
sick reef
Bandits: Phoenix Rising 2 when
When you create a memory buffer for your memory buffer because your memory buffer overflows into the active buffer.
clear quartz
bufferception
void perch
Ludvig, just add more ram. that's how i fixed my chrome memory leak...
brisk badger
I love it. Even the missiles have memory leaks, but it's all good when the missile explodes before the memory leakage is too big
late sorrel
oh my god
sick reef
Feels like it'd cost less to fix the leak than add memory to every missile.
dense wasp
Labcat, thanks I’ll tell them that!
I’ll download more ram @void perch
@late sorrel enjoying unity for sure!
It has its limitations, but also really good to get started and we love how module based it is
sick reef
Being a programmer is easy. You just tell it to work, and it runs.
vapid crypt
I was talking to someone about Overkill's TWD yesterday cause they were playing Saints and Sinners. Its crazy how many problems they ran into that pretty much guaranteed failure
torn ferry
They got rushed.
vapid crypt
Yeah I know
It started with them wanting to use a specific engine because it would make VR support easy, but for whatever reason the engine just didn't work. So they had to have their team learn how to use unreal on top of having to put the game together, so it was just a mess.
sick reef
The game was ass.
Is?
I don't remember, I zoned it out when it got removed from storefronts
vapid crypt
I only knew about it after it was gone so
torn ferry
At the beta launch I think,
There was no sensitivity sliders,
FOV was stuck at 60,
No push to talk,
And yea.
restive garnet
imo, the thing that killed it was its state at launch combined with its price tag
games have released in worse states, but at that price it basically already had every nail in its coffin and never really had the chance to improve
dense wasp
It was 60?
void perch
default at least on the past few R2 and R3 builds have been 55 when you reset the settings file. now i'm interested to test against the beta.
late sorrel
it’s been interesting that I’ve literally doubled it and it looks so much better
in regards to gtfo fov
torn ferry
Walking Dead was $60 for like, three repetitive maps.
And only 4 playable characters.
torn ferry
Do I have to worry about shocking myself or the graphics card when I go to take it out?
spice tapir
just as long as theres no power to the card and you've turned off your power supply
nothin to worry about
unplug it too
the powersupply
torn ferry
Do I need to let the PC sit for a while after turning it off and disconnecting the PSU before touching the internals?
spice tapir
I havent had any trouble with touching stuff
torn ferry
Should I wear socks and shoes despite not planning to be on carpet?
spice tapir
I dont wear any socks
torn ferry
So don't stand on carpet when building?
spice tapir
not prefered
I havent had any trouble with carpet but its still just a cautionary thing
abstract kite
I'm going to throw something controversial in here and a lot of people are going to die inside when I say this:
I built my PC on carpet.
abstract kite
Aye
abstract kite
I've had a motherboard die and take the cpu out with it
and a cooler leak
Bad luck really
spice tapir
I had a R5 3600 just start random power cycles
took a while of trouble shooting and RMAs to figure out
the guy didn't care what brand it was so I just threw in an 9600k instead and had no issue after that lol
torn ferry
Do I need nitrile gloves?
spice tapir
no
abstract kite
Nope
spice tapir
just the good ol bare hands
torn ferry
I'm more scared that I'll short circuit or damage the GPU in some way.
spice tapir
Good luck trying to do that
abstract kite
PCs are like adult legos, and they're build almost to the same durability.
spice tapir
I think the graphics card is harder to short circuit lol
abstract kite
You have to purposely try
spice tapir
yeah seriously
trust me, once you start handling stuff more, you'll be touching them like its a piece of lego
late sorrel
I made mine on a dining room table
vapid crypt
You would probably have to electrically charge a piece of metal and lodge it into the card to accomplish shorting it
torn ferry
I could technically start building it now since my PSU came earlier than expected.
spice tapir
whats missing?
vapid crypt
Oh you have everything then?
spice tapir
or if there is anything missing
torn ferry
Case fans, aRGB splitters, a Phanteks aRGB hub, sleeved PSU cables, and the Strimer Plus 24 pin extension.
fleet canopy
I’ve too built mine and switched out the GPU on carpet
vapid crypt
Oh that's everything missing
But theoretically you could put it together and add that stuff after
torn ferry
Would I be allowed to use brushes to clean the GPU fans?
vapid crypt
Uh like what kind of brush?
fleet canopy
Using just an air blower still works though
vapid crypt
I mean that seems okay for like cleaning a keyboard, but if you want some deep dust cleaning get one of these... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BI4UQK0/?coliid=IKSBGX5TBRZ9J
Or you could spend like 5 bucks on a can of compressed air at a dollar store or something
fleet canopy
Do they use air from the surrounding area or is it someting sotred in it?
vapid crypt
Referring to what?
lilac geyser
you can install psu into case and then plug psu into wall, then you have a grounded surface (the case) you can discharge yourself on
vapid crypt
Yeah basically touching the bare metal like that will ground you, but anyway as for the duster I don't know how it works so
lilac geyser
@fleet canopy its just an electric leaf blower in a smaller format
just a fan with a nozzle
torn ferry
So I have to keep the PSU plugged in while I'm removing the graphics card?
vapid crypt
Power it off there's a switch for that, and sure unplug it too
torn ferry
Should I keep the SSD I have?
torn ferry
Yea.
vapid crypt
I see, so presumably you would want to get your windows install over to the new one
torn ferry
My mother said that was illegal to do for some reason. Is it?
vapid crypt
What?
No of course it isn't illegal
It would probably void any warranty you had with wherever you got the computer if you had one
fleet canopy
If she thought voiding warranty was illegal, she must be wack or something
abstract kite
I hate couchbase, damn noSQL databases. Dealing with it at work drives me nuts
torn ferry
She says I should buy a new Windows 10 install.
lilac geyser
Micro$oft
lilac geyser
shawn: who built you existing computer?
it depends on what kind of liscense you are trying to transfer
torn ferry
This is an iBuyPower prebuilt I am using currently.
torn ferry
"Windows(R), Core Edition"
fleet canopy
Definitely one of those key codes kinda thing, knowing how almost no one really uses CD these days
torn ferry
"OEM_DM Channel"
fleet canopy
Yeah, don’t see why it wouldn’t be Win 10 Home OEM
fleet canopy
Don’t think OEM does tbh
But if they sent you the key that went to the PC, it might work
fleet canopy
Just rip a win 10 off the web
lilac geyser
you actually dont have a licsense according to microsoft
fleet canopy
You
lilac geyser
cause they are gigantic cocks
fleet canopy
You’re not going to get fined for it anyways*
lilac geyser
its not possible to transfer it without a bios hack
its not a normal windows license key
but its worth trying
microsoft is probably not going to do anything if by some chance it works
fleet canopy
It’s honestly fucking dumb you have to pay 100$ for a stupid OS key
They do have a Uhh, free windows 10 thingy, but that thing is a fucking bugger until you “Activate Windows” which means either using one of the Win 10 keys or ripping it off the web
I could be wrong about the free thing, but it’s free either way from getting a key without paying or I’m correct about the windows 10 free version
lilac geyser
people have said you could pirate windows 7, use the free upgrade thing and get a properly licensed copy of windows 10
but also windows 10 doesnt do much if you dont license it at all
torn ferry
What happens if it's not licensed?
lilac geyser
it makes you feel guilty by nagging you to license it
that you are a dirty person for not using "genuine windows"
fleet canopy
Hah, it’s just stupid
And yeah totally free way to get windows 10 instead of microwallet
lilac geyser
good news is if you buy a retail key you can transfer it to new computers
lilac geyser
debian is free
late sorrel
eew, not arch?
torn ferry
"Let's setup the browser with your data while we send your data to Bill Gates,"
abstract kite
I updated and EDGE immediately kicked on and tried it
I entered my Task Manager and killed it xD
brisk badger
@lilac geyser microsoft knows actually if you took a pirated win 7 version and upgrade it to winsows 10 but they dont care if its not for commercial use.
For microsoft its worth more people using their OS than to pay for it
torn ferry
I also probably need to go to Steam to discuss with friends about getting help on building the PC because Discord refuses to work on my phone.
brisk badger
Have fun building the pc! Also can try the webbrowser and not the app
torn ferry
I just hope I have a working product by the end.
And not a Verge PC build.
I also like that on the article of The Verge's PC build, it still shows the photos of the terrible build video despite it being an amended article.
And it still shows the same shitty final build at the end with the awful cable management.
eternal cairn
Presumably, a monitor or some type of display.
vapid crypt
Are you sure its HDMI?
lilac geyser
what case is i t
vapid crypt
I mean I don't know what the case looks like so
abstract kite
Some cases have an HDMI on the front for VR headsets.
eternal cairn
^
abstract kite
Though, it’s wiser to utilize the HDMI on your GPU
eternal cairn
Though it might be a displayport instead.
vapid crypt
I haven't heard of that, how does that work?
abstract kite
A cable from inside the case connects to the HDMI from the back iirc.
vapid crypt
Does just pass through to the graphics card, kinda like how they used to do USB 3.0 initially
abstract kite
Yea. A pass through
vapid crypt
That's gross tbh
abstract kite
It can come in handy if you play a lot of VR, but is a but useless if you’re not into that kind of thing
It’s niche, but a good-ish niche
vapid crypt
I say just get a longer cable
eternal cairn
Enough to wrap it around yourself so that you look like a mummy made of out cable.
vapid crypt
You only need your arms right?
eternal cairn
Not if you're one of those types of people who prefer mobility.
abstract kite
Get a long cable that you can suspend from a human sized bungee chord so you have no cable drag in VR
Just dangling from the ceiling
eternal cairn
VR is dead (again) though, so it's not like you have to worry about any of that nonsense for a few more years. 😆
vapid crypt
Would it be possible to implement wireless HDMI or Display port at some point? I don't see it happening any time soon, but if it were possible without much issue that would be pretty amazing to improve the usability of VR
eternal cairn
You'd be fighting bluetooth lag though.
lilac geyser
they have wireless headset adapters
eternal cairn
It's still got that bluetooth lag though.
vapid crypt
Isn't there something better than bluetooth?
eternal cairn
And it costs an extra $100.
eternal cairn
I never said it was bluetooth.
I just said you'd be fighting bluetooth lag.
Which is essentially just lag, but still obnoxious nonetheless.
(Never will I go back to wireless mice again.)
vapid crypt
I will always prefer wired, though not necessarily because of latency but that is a plus. Rather just not having to deal with battery management
abstract kite
I want to go wireless with mouse tbh
But to get one thats actually decent costs big $$$
restive garnet
dont see much point going wireless mice, except for laptops
headsets on the other hand
eternal cairn
Yeah, and I think there's a mouse that has zero latency, but it's like $200+.
restive garnet
logitech have a few really nice wireless mice with stupidly low latency
and razer have a few with fairly low latency
eternal cairn
Yeah, but they're pretty expensive.
restive garnet
exactly
i can buy the same mouse wired for half the price
and not have to worry about battery
or latency
eternal cairn
As one YouTube comment stated:
I like it better when I can throw my mouse and it won't reach the wall
restive garnet
only thing that i like wireless on my desktop is my headset
coz i like to be able to talk to my friends while in the kitchen making a coffee or w/e
or on the rare occasion, i just want to annoy them so i go take a piss with the mic sensitivity all the way up
brisk badger
don't worry about most wireless mice and their latency
USB has technically a bigger "delay" then them so it doesn't matter
wireless headsets are great, till you have a hardcore gaming marathon or forgot to charge them over night so you use cable but then when you leave you forget it exists and you dramatically plug out the cable with force (happens to me every now and then)
brisk badger
dense wasp
anyone happen to have a really useful template of putting avg. fps data in? 😛
clear quartz
razer cortex is good for that
dense wasp
to give some more context, grabbing the data isn't a problem, I got loads of software for that - just trying to find a good way to present it, but maybe my Google Spreadsheet is the way to go, hehe
clear quartz
then yeah probably that
brisk badger
how do you receive the fps data? In a file like a .json or something?
crisp sage
my HDMI port on my gpu stopped working
and it's fucking annoying because my vr got here today
and the HDMI won't work
merry bay
have you made sure it's not a cable issue?
crisp sage
yeah
I've plugged it into my laptop and it worked
funny thing is I plug it in, then the monitor says "entering sleep mode" or smth like that
dense wasp
@brisk badger depends on the program,
.csv if I use the fraps bench
brisk badger
hmm @dense wasp I know of Grafana ( https://grafana.com/ ) which you could feed probably with .csv and other formats but tbh I never used it and it looks kinda overkill / a lot of time to setup
void perch
which I'm all for thou, I'll check it out
@dense wasp I have grafana hosted myself. let's chat 🙂
brisk badger
probably an issue may be that grafana only extracts datapoints from a database and not things like .csv etc. Probably needs some sort of "conversion" tool which seems to exist
dense wasp
Yeh I’ll just use my spreadsheet
urban laurel
Ludvig, R is a pretty easy language to learn for prowling through data. Especially .csv files
It has many libraries for presenting the data as well, ggplot2 is a rather popular one
gets some food before dragging himself back to make function vignettes in R
I’ll even take a stab at it today after I finish work if you send me the data and what you’d like from it :3
Before anyone posts in general chat: Don’t. Some of them are bound to copy the string It has been handled
vapid crypt
I've heard of people contacting support to re-activate when changing motherboards, though you need to know the key
Alternatively you can buy a new oem key for around 15 bucks on various key seller sites
I'm an asshole that runs unactivated and just leaves the watermark because I can't be asked
torn ferry
But how do I get Windows 10 on the new machine so I can activate it on that new machine once I get it put together?
vapid crypt
Yeah you have to install it again on the new drive
brisk badger
Buy one on ebay for 6 usd
torn ferry
If you go to the official Microsoft website and buy Windows 10, does it ship you a disc or does it give you a product key to enter?
vapid crypt
Uh they give you a key, the ones from retail can be reused multiple times I believe
If you order a physical copy, it comes with a usb boot drive
Alternatively you can set up a windows install on a bare USB drive, and just buy a key
torn ferry
How do I get a Windows Install on a USB?
I just cleaned out one that I had lying around.
vapid crypt
How big is it?
torn ferry
It only has 3.6 GBs on it though, oh no.
vapid crypt
Yeah you need an 8gb one at least
There you can get the tool for it, though there is a 3rd party program I used to make my boot drive
You would make an ISO file via the windows media tool, then mount it to the program to make it
I forgot what it was called though
brisk badger
The Windows Creation Toolkit does all in one
torn ferry
I found a large enough USB drive, but it seems to have some kind of buildup on it at the end of the stick.
vapid crypt
It does, but in my experience it doesn't work
brisk badger
Even downloading the iso
vapid crypt
Or at least its less reliable
torn ferry
Will that buildup damage the port?
vapid crypt
Um clean it if you can?
torn ferry
It looks like rust.
brisk badger
Its pretty good imo, i use it very often in business when network deployment is not possible. Never had an issue
dense wasp
@urban laurel mooost likely not worth it seeing it's like 3 lines of data 😄
I ended up just using my spreadsheet, was way more practical
but thanks
brisk badger
Use a usb 2 port not 3 maybe
vapid crypt
It shouldn't damage it, but I would check if it even works
urban laurel
Ah, gotcha!
dense wasp
super simple setup
vapid crypt
USB drives aren't exactly made to be super durable, then again what's electronic and resistant to water damage on pin contacts?
torn ferry
I found a large enough USB, but it has a lot of my mother's school and work stuff on it.
vapid crypt
Yeah it needs to be a clean drive
torn ferry
How much space do I need?
brisk badger
8 at least and you can move the files back to the drive
vapid crypt
It says 8gb, but I'm pretty sure it takes up just over 4 so technically you could get away with a smaller drive
late sorrel
4’s for linux then
brisk badger
U need a 8gb usb anyway in the world of computers
vapid crypt
I don't think 6gb drives exist though
brisk badger
It expands archive and such during installation
fleet canopy
I have a 32GB for free, then took like two more cause no one took it
About 96GB of USB for free!
brisk badger
Where do these USB trees grow!?
fleet canopy
School trips to the tech place
vapid crypt
Modern problems require modern solutions
merry bay
What is it screwing into? 
vapid crypt
I wonder if the RGB on certain RAM modules make it hotter than other ones
merry bay
don't tell me it's sharing mobo holes
fleet canopy
Mm, DIY stuff
jade ermine
bit fancier than zipties😂
merry bay
nice
fleet canopy
Better than a mess of zip ties really
jade ermine
only negative thing is that its currently sharing same fan control with 12 other fans
buuut whatever. not my issue asus has shittiest fan control options
torn ferry
Is there a limit on how much file space you can send to someone over email?
vapid crypt
I mean what are you trying to do?
vapid crypt
Cause you could just use google drive or something to back up stuff and send the link for that
late sorrel
depends if you use Gmail or not
torn ferry
Send the files that is on the USB drive to my mother since I'm sure she doesn't want me to delete any of the files on the drive.
brisk badger
The email server defines the limit
Also if my son would take my usb stick and upload my files to google or any cloud; there would be no dinner today
After the stick has windows on it you can move the files back to the stick. Just incase, keep a backup
vapid crypt
Well sure, I wouldn't advise doing it without permission 
brisk badger
Probably best to get a usb drive
proper wren
fleet canopy
Yes
vapid crypt
I think its time to break up with Google Chrome
torn ferry
Nevermind, I found a USB stick with my stuff on it.
How come some USB sticks don't have the full amount of storage that it says it has on the box?
On the box it says 16GB, but looking at it in the computer there is only 14.4GB of space.
vapid crypt
The answer is marketing and how Windows reads data
torn ferry
Oh, I found my billiards table that I 3D modeled a while back.
vapid crypt
1gb is 1024mb, typically storage manufacturers will market 1000mb as a 1GB
torn ferry
But on the drive, it's less than advertised.
vapid crypt
I think its more nuanced than that
torn ferry
16GB on the box and the USB itself in writing, but on the computer it says 14.4GB.
vapid crypt
But yeah its just different standards
torn ferry
https://gyazo.com/01fbf303d2b30cd782fcad47daf2c392
My billiards table.
fleet canopy
It’s like 1TB is 930GB
torn ferry
That was what I modeled for a final project in my first 3D modeling class in college.
vapid crypt
torn ferry
I'll have to fix it someday since it doesn't follow traditional polygon rules.
You don't want n-gons in modeling.
brisk badger
Marketing uses MB (megabyte),
Computers use MiB (mebibyte),
I don't understand the above picture in terms what is virtual storage and what is disk storage
torn ferry
So how do I get Windows 10 ready to go on the USB?
torn ferry
Do I run it or just put it on the USB?
vapid crypt
And personally I used Rufus to set up the installation media, you get the ISO from that
torn ferry
What do I do after downloading the tool? Do I open the exe?
vapid crypt
Uh yeah I mean there's a step by step on there
torn ferry
Should I select 64 bit, 32 bit, or both?
vapid crypt
Yeah just get 64bit
both is just to have the option to pick between the two
When installing
32bit limits RAM capacity to 3gb
torn ferry
I just get paranoid about if I accidentally selected 32 bit. XD
vapid crypt
Okay? Just don't select it
brisk badger
worst case you install it again
torn ferry
Is there a way I can check if it is 64 or 32 bit after creating the installation tool?
vapid crypt
I'm not even sure about that, you aren't sure if you selected the right one?
brisk badger
i think you will select which architecture during windows installation
torn ferry
There are times where I check something 50 times and still fear if something is incorrect.
brisk badger
it's okay. better to do it slow then to speedrun it
torn ferry
If I did make a mistake, can you upgrade from 32 to 64 bit?
vapid crypt
You have to reinstall it
brisk badger
pretty sure it'll look like this
it would be new to me if you decide in the media creation kit what architecture it is
vapid crypt
Yeah there's a choice to include either only 64bit or only 32bit, and then of course both
So if you chose only 32bit only 32bit installs would be there
torn ferry
Where would it tell me in the creation tool if I indeed selected 64 bit?
vapid crypt
Well not on the creation tool, but when installing the OS
Like in that image it would say X64 for 64bit
I belive x86 for 32bit
brisk badger
try boot from the usb stick you will see before you install windows if it has x64
torn ferry
Where do I go to select that?
I found it out using this guide:
https://www.howtogeek.com/362502/how-to-see-which-windows-version-and-build-is-on-a-dvd-iso-or-usb-drive/
And I don't see any screws holding in the GPU in my prebuilt.
Am I hallucinating things or is there actually no screw holding the GPU up?
abstract kite
wdym
torn ferry
I don't see the two screws that should hold in the graphics card where the removed PCIe covers used to be.
abstract kite
rip
torn ferry
Can the card still be removed?
abstract kite
there should a box of screws that came with your case
and they should have a few extras
you need to take the screws out to take the gpu out
torn ferry
No, in my prebuilt, I do not see any screws holding the card in place, and I need to remove the card out of the prebuilt to put in my new build.
torn ferry
I don't see any screws holding it in place, what do I do?
abstract kite
theres a lever on the motherboard
thats the gpu release
press that and slide it up
itll be under the gpu
vapid crypt
Are you sure the screws where the expansions slots are aren't there?
torn ferry
The only screw I can see is a tiny one but it seems to be part of the card itself.
vapid crypt
Well yeah obviously it wouldn't be any on the card itself
It would be at the rear where the expansion slots are
torn ferry
Not facing me?
torn ferry
I see those screws outside of the case, but not inside.
vapid crypt
Okay well its not supposed to be on the inside
Well actually that's not always true
I think most modern designs are putting them outside
torn ferry
But I don't see any screws holding the card down.
vapid crypt
Okay, so then it should be possible to remove the card
And email Ibuypower for being shit
torn ferry
How obvious should the screws be that are holding the card down?
What should I be seeing?
vapid crypt
I gave you an example, if you can't find it I don't know. I don't know what it looks like
torn ferry
This is what I see:
https://gyazo.com/4756763c9271ec62587b5fa60e2d5c15
vapid crypt
Yeah that's just the card, the screws you're looking for are on the rear panel of the case
torn ferry
So I need to take off the back panel?
vapid crypt
No
Look at the expansions slots on the rear
Where the card is, with its hdmi/display ports
vapid crypt
That looks just like the expansion slots on my case, and yes that's what you do
abstract kite
then these
torn ferry
I thought that was for vertical GPU mounting.
vapid crypt
Remove that cover, and then it will give you access to the right screws
No that's for securing the expansion slots
I guess... tbh I wouldn't mind if it wasn't there
abstract kite
i tend to keep the covers off
torn ferry
But the other two screws don't seem to be holding in anything.
abstract kite
usually just out of sheer laziness of putting them back on
vapid crypt
They are you just can't see that part of the card until you remove the cover
You will see that it is the rear portion of the card
torn ferry
And then when I take it off, the screws I need to remove will be obvious?
vapid crypt
Absolutely
torn ferry
And the only platform I can use to talk during the build is Steam because Discord refuses to work on my phone, browser and app.
jade ermine
Janky fan power
abstract kite
fan go brbrbrbr
lilac geyser
do cases have tool-less pci card hardware now? i've only seen screws
oh i see the screws now, is that really a cover that needs to be removed though?
tardy tinsel
I'm trying to figure out how to make my computer make less Heat
lilac geyser
heh arent we all
tardy tinsel
I use my computer in a small room and the room gets pretty hot
lilac geyser
well your only practical option is to replace the hardware with something more heat-effecient, or you could underclock your current hw
sick reef
Get circulation for your room?
lilac geyser
ceiling fans 👍
tardy tinsel
I have AC in my room but it's not enough
lilac geyser
wow what
lilac geyser
well move it farther away if you can, should reduce any radiated heat you feel
but your pc will still heat the room
also if your monitor has CFLs, they tend to get pretty hot
tardy tinsel
I also have two monitors
when the computer is off and I let the AC many hours I can make the room temperature 63f but if I play a highend game the room reaches 78f
lilac geyser
what kind of ac?
lilac geyser
ahhh, yeah those arent too efficient
tardy tinsel
the machine itself is on the ground
I think I should bring my portable AC closer
but I have to move the table, computer and my bed
lilac geyser
vapid crypt
If its on the carpet, maybe consider finding a regular surface to sit on. It might be inconsequential to airflow, I don't know how the case is set up or how tall its legs are so. In any case being on the floor tends to be more prone to collecting dust.
tardy tinsel
I'm going to change my setup so the tower is right beside the portal AC
my PC and my portable AC is at opposites sizes of the room
void oxide
torn ferry
And all my parts have arrived.
restive garnet
Your best bet for reducing heat is either an underclock/undervolt, or both.
You could also increase the airflow going through your case, which wouldnt decrease the thermal energy being put out by your computer, but it would spread it out so you wouldnt feel as much heat on your legs
tardy tinsel
it only gets really hot when I play this game
vapid crypt
How hot does it get? Cause that doesn't measure heat
tardy tinsel
I have a Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 super. so when it's on max graphics, the graphics card and the power supply generates a lot of heat. I don't know how to measure the Heat other than putting a thermostat beside the computer on the ground
vapid crypt
There exists software that can monitor temps using the built in sensors on the motherboard
That and the graphics card
Actually come to think of it Radeon's Adrenaline software can monitor temps for the GPU, maybe Geforce Experience does that too?
tardy tinsel
I was checking if Nvidia has it
restive garnet
as a current nvidia user, i honestly dont know lmao
i know most AIB partner software measures it
like evga precision, msi afterburner, asus gpu tweak
HWMonitor is a bit more comprehensive tho
tardy tinsel
vapid crypt
Hmm
The fans running at over 2000 RPM to maintain that temperature though
That seems like something you would see on a blower style cooler
vapid crypt
Maybe, the FE model isn't the greatest
There are OEM blower models though
Like Alienware and other similar OEMs use them to save money
tardy tinsel
I moved the tower next to the portable AC so it's not underneath my desk in a corner. this should make a difference
abstract kite
2000rpm on a 2070 super gpu fans isn't that abnormal under load in my experience.
thats about 65-70% on most models
restive garnet
i know RTX cards run hot, but 75C at 2000+ RPM? damn
most i hit on my 1080ti is 70c at about 1400 RPM
abstract kite
my card runs this game at 60-70fps
how do i make it run it at 144fps
What is your card?
tardy tinsel
my fan is currently running 2500 rpm
abstract kite
rtx 2070 super
abstract kite
can i do the overclock
restive garnet
you can
abstract kite
how
restive garnet
but it wont get you much
abstract kite
how
restive garnet
what is the manufacturer of your card?
abstract kite
i think eeveega
hol up let me check
yea evga
clocking a 2070 super will only get you max 15% increase in perf.
abstract kite
if you're not familiar I do not suggest imjs
restive garnet
im with takeshi
restive garnet
good old linus drop tips
but also, you are honestly better playing with your graphics settings
abstract kite
I peak at around 71-72 at 2000ish
how do i check my graphics card fan speed while i am playing gtfo
^facts, I say this as someone who clocked mine to the verge of instability
GTFO
restive garnet
evga precision should have a fan RPM monitoring
abstract kite
ok
restive garnet
or use HWMonitor
abstract kite
one more question ulfsacear
restive garnet
thats my go to, measures temps and fan RPMs across the board
restive garnet
doesnt really matter which one
abstract kite
look for deals
ok i do steam cus i use steam for GTFO
green man gaming
cd keys
restive garnet
evga precision is free
abstract kite
oh I thought he meant for GTFO hahaha
restive garnet
lmfao
abstract kite
one thing I would suggest too
do u think if i turn shdows off i can get 144fps
have you entered your bios and made sure your ram profile is set?
what.
thats a no lol
u mean ram profile as in like speed
yes
oh
yes
3600
default speeds can be variable and effect performance
oh nvm
3200mhz
all power saving functions turned off?
idk
but corsair is big bullshit
they advertised 3600
but my computer can only do 2400
3400
without crashing
big gay
imo that 144 perfection isn't something you're going to notice. At base clock you should be hitting like 100-115 on gtfo right?
i hit 60-70fps
on gtfo
with all settings maxed
I dont think Ive bothered to check in game tbh gimme a sec
ok
im gonna try out this evga
thing
aight
we in
yeah Im getting a smooth 165fps
what next sir
OMG
my graphics card has rgb settings
dude
if you're just trying to use it to monitor stats, run gtfo and see what your clocks jump to, fan settings
hahahah yeah man thats how you access the guts
ok im launching the game
if it has rgb you can fine tune everything
yea im trying to make my computer have lots of rgb
but sadly only things with rgb are motherboard
and graphics card
big off
I just have my liquid cooler and all my fans, don't see much reason to pay extra for flash that basically only I see lmao
dont u know the more rpg the more performance
that's what linus sadi
grabbed a gigabyte windforce 3x oc 2070 super for some savings and extra cooling.
ok
im getting 95fps
here
is the speed good or bad
which fullscreen mode are you using?
fullscreenwindow
thats part of your problem
nani?
set it to exclusive full
Here is my RPM if that tells you anyhing
I think yours if fine tbh
i set mine to exlusive
It really depends on the card imo
its now 110fps
i need the last push to 144 so my monitor is happy
should i oc or turn down settinga
Turning down settings is recommended.
Medium - High Settings should suit you...
ok
thats running on max
brb
im gonna grab another fan from the basement to put in my computer
i7 9700kf liquid cooled, 16gb 3000ddr4 2070super asrock z390 phantom gaming 4 mb
ok
it is at 120fps now i turn down settings later
thanks takeshti2450
peace out girl scout
np man, enjoy
this game good community
rust has worse community
restive garnet
rust is a toxic shit hole inherently
restive garnet
comes with the territory
abstract kite
rust is the herpes infested scrotum of online gaming
restive garnet
you just happened to ask for tech help, in the tech help channel full of nerds on the discord of a coop only game
restive garnet
i mean, i would be surprised if rust had a tech help channel
and if they did, im sure it would just constantly be sabotage
alt+f4 jokes would be constant
abstract kite
I am sure with so restoration there will not be so much Rust.
vapid crypt
That's cheaper than I expected
proper wren
in Canadian
vapid crypt
Right
torn ferry
Do I put fans on the radiator first before putting it into the case?
torn ferry
Do I first use the long screws to mount the fans to the radiator and then the short screws to mount the whole thing to the case?
sick reef
Yes.
torn ferry
How tight do I screw these in?
lilac geyser
if you want a quantitative answer you need a torque wrench
but you really dont need one
idk imagine tightening enough that they are not going to shake loose, but not tight enough you wont be able to get the screws out again
bright shard
because how tight it feels depending on the size of the screwdriver, if its one of the small metal screwdrivers, its pretty much impossible to overtorque unless you have jacked fingers.
if i have a full sized screw driver, ill try to tighten holding the screwdriver exclusively using my fingers without my palm.
the feeling you're looking for is when the screw "bottoms out", then only slightly further.
at least this is my own personal protocol for generally delicate things.
torn ferry
I tighten until I feel I would have to force it further.