Z390-E on Amazon for $319, @vapid crypt
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
torn ferry
abstract kite
Damn
river thistle
So if i bought a 9700k would getting a z490 over a z390 give any better performance or whatever?
fleet canopy
No
torn ferry
Z490 is not compatible with 9th gen.
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
It’s not ever going to work lmao
vapid crypt
Yeah its a different socket
river thistle
Yeah
fleet canopy
LGA 1200 socket, which none of the non 10th gen has
river thistle
Can't wait till I get a job so I can actuall buy and build my first decent pc
abstract kite
First build is always the best
river thistle
Lol yeah
fleet canopy
Unless it goes pure shit somehow
river thistle
I believe I know what I'm doing to the point where I can get everything in the pc okay. From there I'll ask my dad for help lol
fleet canopy
We can always assist if you want to
abstract kite
When I built my first PC I thought I broke it, but I didn't plug in the case headers to the board. Lmao
fleet canopy
Kek
fleet canopy
There’s not that much electrical stuff
abstract kite
Its all electrical though
fleet canopy
Just put in the parts, plug the correct cables in, ezpz
river thistle
Yeah
fleet canopy
It’s also really easy to know which cable goes which with a manual
river thistle
I have no idea where to plug in rbg stuff
fleet canopy
That’s easy as well
vapid crypt
Sometimes it just works 
fleet canopy
- Todd Howard Maybe
river thistle
Rgb ram is cool
torn ferry
Can the Z390-E handle a 9900k if I were to buy a used one later on?
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Yes
The F would probably be fine too considering there wouldn't be any overclocking just boosting
fleet canopy
I didn’t get so much RGB for my first build, and honestly I like it like that overall
vapid crypt
I got some light strips, that's all 
fleet canopy
It’d be pure cancer if it had like loads of RGB haha
torn ferry
Should I get the Z390-F or the Z390-E?
river thistle
No idea but I'm gonna get the E one
vapid crypt
Get whichever is reasonably priced
fleet canopy
You might as well think about it for a moment though, if you seriously want to go for that much RGB
river thistle
?
torn ferry
What is normal retail price of the Z390-E?
vapid crypt
Somewhere north of 249 I think
river thistle
I saw that it was like 239 ish at best buy
fleet canopy
You might not like so much of the RGB later on ish
vapid crypt
F would be around 200
river thistle
And I can turn it off iif I want
fleet canopy
Kek alr
cursive sentinel
z390E has wifi and bluetooth
fleet canopy
Some RGB won’t turn off iirc because some manufactures are jokeass
fleet canopy
Wasn’t expecting that info from some uhh, interesting pfp
river thistle
I can turn it off with the software
A shitty W3500 xeon cup, Shitty rx 570 gpu, a shitty old dell motherboard, 12 gigs of crappy ram.....
I think the only good pc part I have is a 750 watt corsair powersupply that's supper overkill
vapid crypt
I wouldn't call an rx 570 shitty, unless of course its a reference model in which case maybe? 
Actually I don't think they have reference models for thos
torn ferry
If I get the Z390-E board, should I reuse my 8700k or get a different processor for it?
vapid crypt
Maybe shroud models from OEMs though
You can reuse the 8700K and upgrade to a 9900K later
torn ferry
Is it difficult to reuse a processor?
vapid crypt
No
river thistle
Idk but my rx 570 is really bad
torn ferry
What do I also need to clean a graphics card?
vapid crypt
Compressed air
river thistle
If I get an Aio cooler to I still need thermal paste for my cpu?
torn ferry
Is it a bad idea to buy a new 9900k due to the price?
vapid crypt
Yes to both of those questions
river thistle
Ight
vapid crypt
A lot of AIOs come with some pre-applied
river thistle
Oh nice
vapid crypt
Otherwise a tube or something might be included
river thistle
Yeah
torn ferry
How long do processors last for?
river thistle
So the case I'm going to buy comes with three fans for the front. Is it still a good Idea to get like two or three more fans?
vapid crypt
They can last a pretty long time
river thistle
Also My proccessor has lasted over 7 years so
torn ferry
What is the process involved to get the processor out of the current PC?
vapid crypt
Especially if you deliberately limit their power and clocks
Undervolt and underclock a 9900K could easily last 20 years I'm sure, though there isn't much use case for something slow like that outside of a simple work pc
torn ferry
So take off the AIO cooler and then the processor is able to be taken out?
vapid crypt
Yeah there's just a level that you have to unlatch and pull up
river thistle
I'm pretty sure you could watch a linus tech tips video to figure out how to build and take apart your pc shawn
vapid crypt
You would clean off the old thermal paste, and simply lift it out from the side
torn ferry
What do you use to clean off the thermal paste?
vapid crypt
Some rubbing alcohol and a paper towel or coffee filter will do the trick
Its important not to make contact with the gold pads on the bottom of the processor
torn ferry
When I'm buying my parts, do I need to also add the protection plan thing Amazon offers you whenever buying any product?
vapid crypt
You don't need to no, that's merely extra insurance
If there's a problem with it within 30 days you can easily return it for a refund or exchange
torn ferry
So if a part arrives damaged, I can send it back?
vapid crypt
Absolutely
After 30 days it would come down to RMA with the manufacturer
The firs motherboard I got I ended up refunding it within 3 weeks cause I thought it had something wrong with it
abstract kite
?
torn ferry
Do you remember the 8086k, @vapid crypt?
river thistle
I believe I have an ax corsair psu And I've never had problems with it
torn ferry
I'm just confused on Cablemod which cables I need.
river thistle
?
torn ferry
When it says this for compatibility,
"C-Series AXi / HXi / RM (Yellow Label)"
But the AX doesn't have an i after it and it's a black label, not yellow.
river thistle
I don't know much about psus... Mine came with the all the cables I would need...
torn ferry
I'm wanting to buy white sleeved cables from Cablemod for the PSU.
river thistle
I have no idea then. I suppose it would depend on what pc parts you have and how much power they need
I'm sure theres a thing at pc mod where they'll help you ^^
torn ferry
I like that when you search for graphics card on Best Buy, they give you Alienware gaming PCs instead in your search results.
torn ferry
I'm probably just going to use the GPU that came with my prebuilt.
I'm just scared I'll break something when I go to take it out and clean it.
river thistle
What card you got?
torn ferry
An RTX 2080 from MSI, I believe of the Ventus OC model.
river thistle
Oh yeah. No need to buy a new card
torn ferry
Don't I need to take off the backplate to clean the card though?
fleet canopy
Imo I would get a very good paste instead of the preapplied one but idk how those are
river thistle
I got no idea what thermal pastes are good and bad
torn ferry
I have Arctic MX-4 in my cart. Is that the correct choice?
fleet canopy
Artic Density 5 is a pretty good one, it lasts for a long time iirc
Kryonaught is good as well
torn ferry
Is MX-4 good?
river thistle
What's an Mx-4?
torn ferry
Thermal paste by Arctic.
river thistle
Oh
Idk
I don't know anything about thermal paste but if it's from a name brand or whatever it should be perfectly fine
torn ferry
What size screwdrivers do I need to build the system?
sick reef
Philips 0, 1, 2, and 3, a regular sized flat screwdriver, and beyond that, it might depend on the case.
You're usually good with a regular screwdriver as well.
jade ermine
@vapid crypt
torn ferry
I'm not sure if I should just buy a set of magnetic screwdrivers.
jade ermine
Oh yea lets make 2012 fashion products useful
river thistle
I would. It's super handy to have them. Epspecially when you drop the screws
torn ferry
Welp, the Gamers Nexus tool kit is sold out, darn.
river thistle
Could look for an I fix it kit
torn ferry
Is this one overkill?
https://gyazo.com/5cd8f4bf23c8d3651c7f58a783f949b3
river thistle
?
torn ferry
That is the actual shipping date for a set of PSU cables I found.
torn ferry
I want to go with Cablemod, but I can't figure out which ones I need to buy that are compatible with the power supply I am buying.
river thistle
No idea. I'd either find someone here or see if thery have a support page on cablemod
torn ferry
I also am wondering if I need anything else, like fan splitters, USB splitters, etc.
river thistle
I have no idea when it comes to electrical stuff. If you have everything you need for that fans now and you're just looking for one's that are different colored, I'd say just look for the ones you have
torn ferry
How long of zip ties should I need for cable management?
river thistle
As long as they're long enough to wrap around what you need it shouldn't matter.
I don't know. I use ones that are like 10 cm long
river thistle
4 inches for a zip tie is pretty short
But if you wanna get some for the smaller things that's fine
torn ferry
Do I need anything more than 12 inches?
torn ferry
8 inch or 12 inch zip ties?
river thistle
If it were me I'd go with 12 inch just in case.
You can always trip the ends off
But you could always get both
It's whatever you prefer
river thistle
OS?
torn ferry
I'm just assuming any new system needs a fresh Windows 10 bought?
river thistle
Uuuh... I have no clue
You might be able to like move it form your old pc or something...
torn ferry
Do I need an anti-static mat at all or can I just build it on a clean wooden table?
river thistle
I've heard it's good to have one but I have no clue
Static can really mess up the parts I've been told..
vapid crypt
Static was more of a problem over a decade ago, they've done a good job making parts resistant to static electricity recently
river thistle
Yeah
torn ferry
So can I just build my PC on a clean wooden table?
vapid crypt
Not that it could never damage them, they're just far more resistant than they used to be
river thistle
Don't take what I say too seriously. I'm a bit new to this still
vapid crypt
As long as you aren't rubbing your graphics card against the carpet its fine
river thistle
Lol
vapid crypt
Even then it would probably be fine actually
But I advise against that
That's abusing your hardware
torn ferry
Do I need fan splitters or any other accessories?
vapid crypt
How are the fans in your system currently set up?
torn ferry
What do you mean, like how I'm thinking they will go?
vapid crypt
Well sure, I'm pretty sure they gave you more than one chassis fan though
torn ferry
No, I am not shitting you, there is only one case fan on the front.
vapid crypt
Oh one of the front and the other on the AIO mounted to the rear
torn ferry
Yes.
vapid crypt
I see
torn ferry
So I need fan splitters? I have 9 fans going into the case I bought, the O11 Dynamic XL.
360mm AIO on the side, 3 top, 3 bottom.
vapid crypt
You might not need splitters if the fans have them already
Also for sure that shouldn't be an issue with the AIO
torn ferry
Do the QL120 fans include splitters?
vapid crypt
I don't have an AIO, but I think they make it possible to link the fans together
torn ferry
Will the Z390-E have enough headers and connectors to support all 9 fans and LED strips?
vapid crypt
Strips would run off the RGB header, that's different. You might need splitters for that I suppose since you're getting LED fans
Sounds like a mess, but the case would handle that well
torn ferry
I just want to make sure I have everything before I place the order.
vapid crypt
Worse case you'll just have less fans for a bit before having to wait for a splitter
torn ferry
What is the exact splitter I'd need to buy?
vapid crypt
Well you might need both RGB and Fan splitters
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
Let's see how many headers the mobo has
It has 3 headers for chassis fans, and 2 for the cpu fan
And it looks like it has 3 RGB headers, uh one of which is probably for the CPU cooler
torn ferry
So what would I need for 9 fans in total including the 3 going onto the radiator, and RGB strips?
sick reef
I can recommend the Aquero 5.
torn ferry
Do I need anything for the 9 fans and strip setup?
I just want to make sure I have everything I could possibly need for the build before I place the order.
river thistle
will a 2080ti fit inside of corsairs 220T case? I've been looking it up and can't igure it out
torn ferry
It says maximum GPU length is 300mm.
river thistle
I don't know how long the card I wanna buy is though. It doesn't say
river thistle
It's a 2080ti from asus
fleet canopy
ROG Strix?
fleet canopy
130.30mm in height, 304.80mm in length
It's a 300mm clearance for the GPU slots sooo
river thistle
Damn
fleet canopy
Course, it's the biggest on the list
There's an EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra hybrid
Noooot sure what they mean by hybrid
Honestly they're pretty damn overpriced
river thistle
Maybe I should wait for the 3000 series
fleet canopy
Best off with a 2080 Super or yes, RTX 3000
torn ferry
Do all AIOs come with fan and RGB splitters?
fleet canopy
And the price for the 2080 Ti is definitely not worth it imo
All AIOs should have fans, RGB splitters I don't think that comes with it
torn ferry
Do I even need an RGB splitter?
fleet canopy
Depends
river thistle
Also should I get the Z390-f instead of E to save 200 bucks?
@river thistle
torn ferry
I'm thinking all I would need is two Lighting Node Cores included with the QL120 three packs, and the Commander Pro.
torn ferry
But am I incorrect somewhere or is that all I need?
river thistle
Idk what card i'm gonna get at the moment
fleet canopy
"The Strix Z390-E and Z390-F both support memory speeds up to DDR4-4266 across four-DIMM configurations. They have dual M. 2 slots, although only the Z390-E offers heatsinks for each one. ... The Z390-E also adds a front-panel USB 3.1 Gen 2 connector, while the Z390-F is designed for chassis with Gen 1 ports up front"
river thistle
I just wanna know if the f is the same as the e besides the wifi and unneccesary shit
fleet canopy
It depends for you
abstract kite
Get the 5700XT. Price for performance isn't bad and AMD has been good at fixing it's Drivers.
abstract kite
Poor Bank Account
river thistle
I was gonna get a H100i aio cooler from corsair
abstract kite
You're looking at a good.. $550 for a 2070TI... Would honestly recommend that card...
fleet canopy
500$ MSRP on 2070 Super
vapid crypt
Ah yes the 2070 TI the card that doesn't exist because they called it Super instead
fleet canopy
Super
abstract kite
I'm calling it TI out of spite from now on.
vapid crypt
Don't buy any cards now, AMD and Nvidia are gonna smash everyone's doors in with performance
fleet canopy
Do you already have a CPU? Or are you still deciding which whatever
river thistle
I was gonna wait for the 3000 series at this point because I won't have a job for a while yet
I was gonna get a 9700k
Same performance as 9900k and like 120 or whatever dollars cheaper
vapid crypt
Eh
abstract kite
Oh right 2080 Super is becoming a "Mid-range" card lmao
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
I mean its already on a Mid range die
fleet canopy
About everything in the RTX 2000 is becoming a midrange, the 2080 Ti is becoming the "Doesn't exist"
abstract kite
Does that make the 2080 regular a low-end card?
abstract kite
Nah
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
No it would be mid range, I'm just saying Nvidia has been sandbagging performance for a while
fleet canopy
I guess so, yeah
vapid crypt
They've been putting the x80 card on a mid range die and getting away with it
river thistle
Is DDR4 3200MHz ram any good?
fleet canopy
Yeah, at CAS16
vapid crypt
Sure, that's kind of where most people start with RAM
river thistle
C16 yeah. I don't know anything about ram...
abstract kite
Check your Motherboard online or through the manual you get to see what kind of RAM it can take, in your case DDr4, but more importantly how fast the RAM can be.
Like my board can only support 3200mhz
river thistle
I'm gonna get a Z390-F
vapid crypt
Actually its important to look at the QVL list for the motherboard you have or are going to get
river thistle
?
abstract kite
English El
vapid crypt
To ensure that the motherboard fully support the memory sticks, it has all the correct sub timings and all that
That is english
vapid crypt
Si tu quieres te puedo decirlo in Espanol I don't have a spanish keyboard that doesn't work
fleet canopy
You want to go with an ROG Strix Z390-F?
river thistle
Asus Rog Stixs Z390-F + Corsair Vengance ram?
vapid crypt
Qualified Vendor List, its a list of memory kits that the motherboard manufacturer tested for that specific motherboard
abstract kite
Oh I have the Corsair Vengeance Sticks
vapid crypt
Doesn't mean memory won't work if its not on that list, but it does ensure that the motherboard will have optimal timings and what not
fleet canopy
And the 850W is a tad cheaper than the 750W PSU atm
river thistle
I already have a 750 watt psu
abstract kite
Why..?
river thistle
But yeah somthing like that
vapid crypt
I know there's been some testing where memory that wasn't on QVL under performed
fleet canopy
Ah, okay
fleet canopy
Because stock and demand!
vapid crypt
Probably because no one bought the 850W
fleet canopy
People get 750W more because yes
vapid crypt
Everyone and their mama decided 750W THAT'S ALL I NEEEEED
fleet canopy
No one really needs more than 750W, so the 750W go boom boom big price!
abstract kite
Is 850 bad?
fleet canopy
No
river thistle
I have a few parts I wanna use like a windows boot 250gb sata drive thing and a 2tb hard drive
But yeh
vapid crypt
The more the merrier
vapid crypt
Let's get a threadripper build going 
abstract kite
I thought getting bigger PSU is better?
vapid crypt
I would say for most things 600 - 650W covers it
Those are all but gone now, its the 750w psus time to go
fleet canopy
Again, 750W is a great number for a PC because you're not gonna need much more than just 750W
abstract kite
Get the 1500w
fleet canopy
2000W*
abstract kite
Ah my mistake
river thistle
Here I'll send a link from the pc builder thing of all the parts I wanna use
This is pretty much it
exept the ram is 3200mhz
fleet canopy
You already have that RAM?
river thistle
no
river thistle
I needa buy ram
fleet canopy
You want to have two sticks of RAM
fleet canopy
It performs much better overall if you have 2x8GB
fleet canopy
That's 1x16GB :)
fleet canopy
I'll edit it a bit and improve it
river thistle
32 gigs is kinda overkill for gaming so I go with 16, but idk much about ram and a bunch of other things
fleet canopy
16GB is perfect
fleet canopy
What's with the M.2 SSD?
river thistle
I'm buying it to add to storage cuz they're fast
Unless I have is fine with the sata drive and a 2tb hard drive
fleet canopy
Correct that you already own a PSU, yeah?
fleet canopy
Monitor is also pretty bad for the price too
river thistle
I want a 2k 144hz monitor. I saw it had the aura sync or whatever on it plus the 165hz overclock and thought it was good.
river thistle
?
river thistle
I thought aura since was lights
fleet canopy
Yeah lights on back of monitor
fleet canopy
I avoid it since imo I don't want it overheating kek
fleet canopy
Those were recommended to me, pretty much got a nice price, got nice stuff to it
And the colors on the monitor screen are pretty good too
river thistle
Yeah but I don't think the aorus with sync with aura sync and icue.
What's the difference between G-sync and Free sync?
fleet canopy
The difference is how it works with the graphics card and processing it to give a smooth image, with none of the image looking absolutely fucked up
river thistle
Also rgb on a monitor doesn't really matter. I just wanted all the pc stuff to be rgb
Ah..
fleet canopy
So gsync works pretty well with NVIDIA cards, but not on AMD cards
Freesync works on both NVIDIA and AMD as of 2019 when they did official support for NVIDIA cards on freesync
river thistle
Yeah.. I plan on getting a nvidia card so a either one would work than. That makes sense
fleet canopy
Gsync of course, is more expensive overall
river thistle
Yeah.
fleet canopy
But at this point, it wouldn't matter what monitor you picked cause NVIDIA is gonna be supported on it either way
Oh yeah, did you have any specifics for RAM?
river thistle
I think I'd reather have gsync though because I looked up free sync and it looks to me like does the same thing a a V-Sync game setting
fleet canopy
That's also the same thing with gsync
river thistle
I have no idea when it comes to ram. I just want it to be corsair vengence
Oh
either way then
fleet canopy
The GPU is only added just for the price really
I assume the RTX 3080 is still going to be 700$ MSRP
river thistle
Okay so should I buy an M.2 or whatever? Because I already have the 240gb sata to bot the computer and windows off of and a 2tb hard drive. Would it be worth it?
Yeah
fleet canopy
Oh is it an SSD?
river thistle
Here I'll tak a pic of it
fleet canopy
Oh it's a western digital green
river thistle
fleet canopy
Yeah that drive poopoo apparently by one dude who tested it
river thistle
Ah
fleet canopy
And no DRAM
river thistle
Should I disguard it then an dbuy an m.2?
fleet canopy
DRAM makes SSD work pretty damn fast, but you could get an M.2 with NVME and it'll be way faster than it I guess
Yeah I guess
river thistle
Okay.
fleet canopy
Switched the M.2 to a 500GB, it's got NVME so it'll be a shitload faster haha
fleet canopy
That one is good
river thistle
Okay sick
fleet canopy
So you'll just need an M.2, CPU, GPU, cooler, board, RAM, case, fans, and a monitor
river thistle
Yeah
fleet canopy
I assume it'll be some time until you get the money to buy it?
river thistle
Yeah
vapid crypt
124 for a bronze rated power supply 
vapid crypt
Oh that's fine I'm just commenting on that insane price
river thistle
I'm 15 and am gonna get a job when this whole virus thing is done
fleet canopy
I'm probably gonna make the job get me
river thistle
I think my dad got it for like 100 bucks or something a year or so ago... Idk
fleet canopy
It's like waaaay too inflated yeah
vapid crypt
The gen 4 model with a heatsink is actually cheaper technically
red shuttle
u can avoid getting a m.2 if u wanna save money and get a 2.5 ssd instead
fleet canopy
There is no price difference from an NVME M.2 vs an 2.5" SSD
river thistle
I have everything execpt a Gpu then. Also I don't know much about storage and I like corsair so that's why I chose it at first
Sweet
vapid crypt
Also a single 16gb stick?
fleet canopy
And plus, whatever the hell advertising they tell you about games and the SSD speed, just ignore that completely
vapid crypt
Oh okay, yeah just fix that then
fleet canopy
The difference with HDD and SSD loads are very big though, so that part is correct
vapid crypt
And I only now just noticed the price of the monitor
red shuttle
imagine keeping the OS on a HDD for a year while having a m.2 due to laziness
vapid crypt
Actually when you take into consideration a Hard drive with enough cache and as long as it doesn't have an OS running on it
red shuttle
hi im shaq and i waste money
vapid crypt
The speed difference isn't as big as you would think
red shuttle
(changed now but still)
fleet canopy
I guess so?
vapid crypt
Its still slower of course, but it won't be as aggravatingly slow as you would imagine
red shuttle
aslong as the os is on your ssd your in the money
river thistle
red shuttle
yo its too late for me to be typing im just lurk
river thistle
Is that a good monitor?
vapid crypt
Like I've compared say RE2 Remake on my SSD vs my Hard drive, it might be like 10 seconds slower when loading saves and stuff
fleet canopy
Can't really say since I can't find the panel info
ok uhh
That's actually not bad
vapid crypt
I think its VA
fleet canopy
But if you want, you can get one of the three I picked out for you, they're all 1ms, 144hz, the Samsung is VA, the Gigabyte and LG is IPS
sick reef
It would be impressive if load times only differed 10 seconds, as it has around 10 times reduced read/write speed.
river thistle
I don't really like samsung stuff unless it's their phones, and I don't like lg either. I don't wanna get the gigabyte one either because the light wouldn't sync with all the other stuff...
red shuttle
what u can do for monitors is get one none rgb
get strips connect it to ur pc
and what ever software ur using should allow u to synch them
vapid crypt
I mean I tested the read and write on it using diskmark and it gets over 200 on read and write generally
river thistle
True. I don't really care for rgb on the monitor though as long as it's a good monitor for a good price....
How bout that?
fleet canopy
Honestly, disliking a company is not a very neat move to make overall, and by that, you're kind of missing out on some stuff that are really really good compared to things from other companies
That one is neat
vapid crypt
So like 3x slower than a sata ssd, 9x or 10x slower than even a lower quality NVME that seems about right
red shuttle
i use to be funny about companies but if its down to aesthetics then i feel ya
vapid crypt
Oh uh actually with that score its sequential I would have to refer to a file for random
red shuttle
this image makes me feel uncomfortable
fleet canopy
lmao
sick reef
Mainly because you will never do a workload, especially a game, that would do sequential reading.
fleet canopy
God I dislike how far back it goes
Buut I mean if the stand can handle that, then uhhh
Cool
river thistle
Yeah... I don't plan on tilting it back though
red shuttle
my acer predator monitor has served me well but man was the monety i spent a waste
but its grown on me
ngl i actually use the tilt up and down feature more than i thought i would
river thistle
I like acers moniters
sick reef
Random read/write for a HDD is around 15MB/s. Random read/write for a weak SATA SSD is 100MB/s+, if I remember correctly.
red shuttle
my issue is that i need to upgrade my gpu so get nicely consistent 144fps+ when playing my big games
sick reef
Could be lower too, but it saves a ton by just not having the optical media.
red shuttle
2060 does me well but need a bit more power
planning to get a 2080 once the 30 series brings the price down
fleet canopy
I guess you can wait for an RTX 3070 instead
I assume just the 2080 and up get the prices lowered tbh
vapid crypt
Well good news, the prices will drop like a stone once 3000 comes out
fleet canopy
But I don't see why not for the rest of the RTX 2000
river thistle
How much do y'all think the 3080 ti will be?
red shuttle
i thought the 30 series mainly focused on ray tracing performance
fleet canopy
I mean, it improved a lot in RTX performance
fleet canopy
The leaks on their card specs though
I think it might offer something, but we'll see later on
red shuttle
im really looking forward to see what comes out using the 30 series cards
i think some crazy stuff can be done with the up performance
fleet canopy
Honestly if anything
red shuttle
and what games to take advantage
fleet canopy
I'm interested in exactly what that A100 could be used for
vapid crypt
Overall performance will go up pretty dramatically since they're putting the x80 on a high end die this time, and cranking up those clock speeds
That'll of course be used for server grade cards
fleet canopy
Yeah ^
red shuttle
ever seen someone called DSP
vapid crypt
Gamers get the dregs
red shuttle
bought a 3k dollar server pc for gaming
fleet canopy
God dang
red shuttle
flexed it on stream
vapid crypt
What when?
red shuttle
it was the greatest thing
red shuttle
lemme try find u the video
vapid crypt
I remember when he overpaid for his first pc in like uh 2010 or something
1200 or more for a system with a GTX 460
river thistle
Why the hell does my pc open from the right? I don't like it lol.
fleet canopy
Not even AMD's 3970X or 90X
fleet canopy
Those specs make me cry
red shuttle
i think
fleet canopy
I know it was a long time ago
vapid crypt
Looked like a regular build to me
fleet canopy
But even then you shouldn't pay for 2K for that
vapid crypt
SSDs were pretty expensive then
fleet canopy
1000W
red shuttle
my brother was going to get a pc for 4k gaming
fleet canopy
What were the specs kek
red shuttle
until i told him what it would cost him
vapid crypt
Oh I see 4930K
vapid crypt
Man when 6 cores was nearly 600 bucks, how far we've come
red shuttle
but i was like just settle with 1080p or if u really want 2k monitor
fleet canopy
4K 60Hz is pretty hard to get overall lol
fleet canopy
Imagine paying 300-400$ for a 4 core 8 thread CPU from Intel
red shuttle
got a 2080ti
vapid crypt
Depends on what game we're talking about
fleet canopy
In 2015
fleet canopy
Those shit costed like 2,000$ back then release iirc
vapid crypt
I mean you kinda did that with the 7700K but that was 2017 so
red shuttle
he does it then regrets
fleet canopy
Kek
red shuttle
tried playing anthem with those parts and he still lagged 
fleet canopy
I don't think it was paid for 300$
red shuttle
but that was on release
vapid crypt
I mean its Anthem
fleet canopy
My brother must have yanked it off for 250$ or lower
vapid crypt
That's not at all surprising
fleet canopy
lol
red shuttle
but if i paid for that game i wouldve been dissapointed
fleet canopy
True
vapid crypt
EA fucking abandoned it
red shuttle
they hyped it up and dropped it on its head
torn ferry
Still wondering if I have all the parts and accessories I need for the build before I place the order.
fleet canopy
Eee Ayy Sports
vapid crypt
I can't say I care for that sort of game, I played Destiny 2 for a good bit; and I lost interest. Same with uh Warframe, I guess positive of those was I didn't spend a single dime... Actually that's not true I did spend 10 bucks for the season pass when I played destiny 2
fleet canopy
river thistle
Total comes to $2006.27 for all the pc parts and accessories I wanna buy except a GPU.
😄
red shuttle
thats crazy as heck
river thistle
Minus tax...
vapid crypt
Uh, actually that's not a good thing, but I'm glad we're making progress
river thistle
Yeah
red shuttle
i think my current pc along brought my price to 1.2k
fun story
i bent the corners of my cpu
and got it replaced for free
river thistle
I wanna buy new headphones a new keborad and a new mouse though. Togeather just those adds to 450 ish
550*
vapid crypt
Bent the corners?
fleet canopy
1800$ without the monitors, yeah?
red shuttle
so little ol shaq was being talked to at the time and put the cpu in the mb the wrong way around
slammed the clamp down
fleet canopy
Need a good mouse but not sure what to get? RocketJump!
river thistle
comes to like 1k withough the monitors and new headphones mice ect...
torn ferry
I also want to get a 2nd monitor, but unsure if I should do so with the build.
vapid crypt
RocketJump?
vapid crypt
Logitech G203 Prodigy
torn ferry
The sole review on Newegg for the new Cougar MX410 RGB case is 5 stars but sounds more like a 1 star review.
torn ferry
I wish there was a white version of the HyperX Pulsefire Surge.
red shuttle
then the left click died fixed it and still use it but friend gave me a death adder aswell
river thistle
I wanna get the G502 lightspeed with the fast pad thing, a k95 corsair keyboard, and voild elite wireless corsaid headphones.....
red shuttle
the most comfy wireless headsets ive used were the astro a50s
but i never bought myself any becaused i forget to charge stuff
river thistle
I've had wired void elite headphones before and loved em
red shuttle
so wireless is a bad for me
river thistle
So i wanna get the wired ones cuz the overprices ones I have now aren't comfey
fleet canopy
I have a uhh
Rosewill Ion D21
Needed a new mouse at the time cause my old one was like the shitty mouse that was kept if my old main mouse had broken down
red shuttle
i wanna get a razer huntsmans elite for a keyboard
but like for 5 years ive had this 20 pound keyboard
fleet canopy
Everything peripherals needs a change tbh
red shuttle
that wont break or die
on its own
i dont usually replace unless theres a issue
but this thing is just living
but i also got the razer orbeweaver
the one handed keyboard so i have even less of a reason (really comfy i really love it when gaming)
fleet canopy
My keyboard is also doing well, but kind of wanna get a new one since one missing key, pretty fucking dirty, and the space bar is kind of difficult to press down sometimes since my thumb doesn't always rest in the middle
sick reef
Have you tried cleaning it?
fleet canopy
Please no
torn ferry
K95 for me, the paint on the keycaps are already chipping a little after 6 months.
sick reef
Yeah, I had that issue with my Corsair too.
fleet canopy
Cleaning it is meh now, cause I've had to clean it more than I wish I did cause food and gaming doesn't always mix together very well
red shuttle
i understand u well brother
sick reef
Cleaning it is always meh
But if it's not clean, then the only way to make it clean is to clean it.
red shuttle
the laziest clean i did was just blasting it with compressed air without taking the caps off
torn ferry
I'm thinking of downgrading to the K70 that doesn't have macro keys since I haven't recalled when I've used macro keys last.
fleet canopy
Had a G910, then went to a G710 when I got back to gaming because my brother uses it now lmfao
I think
Actually no, but someone else uses it now I think?
torn ferry
G910 is terrible.
red shuttle
macro keys throw me i keep pressing them
when i im meant to press wasd
i just shift my hand further for somereason
torn ferry
Those awful "gaming faceted" keycaps.
fleet canopy
lol macro keys was the worst fucking thing to deal with
Kind of got used to it now, so I don't accidentally bop it anyways
sick reef
I should do it more often, but I usually take all the caps off, once a year, and give it a thorough clean, and then clean all the keycaps before I place them again.
red shuttle
the yearly pc lean is my fav
fleet canopy
The G710 ain't a good one for cleaning tbh lol
red shuttle
blasting away all that blessed dust
fleet canopy
Having a keyboard that doesn't have those bitchy permanent cover on it really would be great or at least have it removeable
sick reef
I dunno. It's a weird argument, that it would be a reason to get a new one, with it being dirty, because that's just that you haven't cleaned it.
red shuttle
u know talking about this but im gonna see how easy it is to clean the huntsman actually
fleet canopy
I had a G910
red shuttle
before buying i actually didnt consider this
fleet canopy
Downgraded to G710 because no have
Had it for quite a long time
And some keys are pretty much broken too, but that's just not needed
red shuttle
from this 38 second video i have found it is very easy to clean said keyboard
sick reef
I don't have a key "shell" but I would be certain that it wouldn't be many screws to take it off.
fleet canopy
Honestly I prefer the smaller keyboards, without all the bonuses since I don't see it needed anyways
red shuttle
like 60 percent
torn ferry
How many times do I have to see another damn Mr. Beast ad involving Honey?
sick reef
I specifically got one without so that I could clean it more easily.
red shuttle
i am of a dying race
sick reef
Lesson of today: Clean your shit if you think it's too dirty.
fleet canopy
Not since I stopped playing Gmod and using the shit that makes you need the numpad keys
fleet canopy
They weren't so long ago, really would be nice if I could have the toy box back tho
Had some pretty neat classic stuff
red shuttle
too much change to quickly makes it feel like so tbh
gmod spawned som great standalone games
red shuttle
now the only sandbox i play is minecraft when i really dont wanna think nor try
fleet canopy
Kind of wonder what the whole Gmod 2 thing is supposed to be like
red shuttle
wait that was gonna be a thing
red shuttle
i feel like it might not last tbf
sick reef
I guess the lesson is more "You should take care of things that are deteriorating because they are deteriorating because you do not take care of them".
torn ferry
https://gyazo.com/6f6ef4258f60c28ba1e051d326d4411b
Does this AIO come with a fan splitter? I think it's the cord that is the cable in the far right side on the bottom row?
red shuttle
i think it does but dont take my word im not sure
spice tapir
that looks more like an rgb cable
fleet canopy
torn ferry
What fan splitter and RGB splitter should I get that supports QL120 fans?
spice tapir
for fan splitters you can go with anything but for corsair fans you have to have a hub to connect into
torn ferry
I'm not sure if I need anything or am I good to go?
spice tapir
well can you tell me everything you have?
torn ferry
I'm thinking the only thing I need is the two Lighting Node cores connected into the Commander Pro?
I have 9 fans I want to use.
spice tapir
damb 9 fans?
If you have two lighting node cores then u dont really need a commander pro
just as long as you have 2 usb connectors on your motherboard
river thistle
Is the power play matt for the G502 Lightspeed worth it?
torn ferry
@spice tapir what can I do with the Commander Pro?
spice tapir
the commander pro just gives you like 2 led hubs, fan headers, temp readers and 2 usbheaders
but since you are going with QL fans, they require a 4 pin led header
this only has 3 pins which are meant for older fans and led stripes
plus with 2 node cores im sure it'll get packed in there
its not worth it
torn ferry
So I would plug both fan hubs into the LED connectors on the Commander Pro?
spice tapir
no, the lighting node cores are the led hubs
you would just have to plug it into a usb header
torn ferry
Why can't I use my Commander Pro?
spice tapir
well you can
its just that you have to plug in the node cores into the usb headers on the commander
and im guessing you dont have 11 fan headers on your MB
torn ferry
Probably not.
spice tapir
I mean if you just need more fan headers then go for it and use the commander pro
just make sure you have 5 extra fan headers after that or get some splitters
torn ferry
So what is the connection setup if I wanted to use 9 or 10 fans, which includes the 360mm AIO in the O11 Dynamic XL?
spice tapir
you're filling up every fan slot on the case?
torn ferry
Yes.
spice tapir
3 on bottom, 3 on side, and 3 on top?
torn ferry
3 bottom, 3 side, 3 top, 1 on the rear mount.
spice tapir
so you would have 2 lighting node cores
which can support 12 fans total
and then you have to plug in the node cores into the commander's usb headers
then plug the usb that is on the commander into the motherboard
and all three of these hubs need to be powered by a sata power connector
torn ferry
Do the cables included in a fully modular PSU come with enough SATA connectors?
spice tapir
that should be plenty
with the AIO you will also have to plug it into sata power as well
so thats 4 sata connectors you have to power
2 sata power cables should suffice for those
torn ferry
This is the parts I'm using for reference:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/676Jdm
That I will be buying.
spice tapir
I would advise not going with an ROG motherboard but if thats the only motherboard you can find then thats fine
torn ferry
Why?
spice tapir
VRMs are terrible on most ROG motherboards
torn ferry
It's the only board I can find.
Unless you want me to go hunting for paper launch 10th gen intel processors that aren't gouged or out of stock.
spice tapir
wel thats asking you to do the impossible lol
It would be great if an i5-10600k would be available
it would be better than an 8700k for less
and theres plenty of motherboards available for 10th gen
fleet canopy
He already has a 8700K and a 2080
spice tapir
oh he does?
spice tapir
i was never told that
fleet canopy
He literally does
torn ferry
I'm reusing both of those parts from my current prebuilt PC.
vapid crypt
For the most part its upgrading everything else
fleet canopy
Yeah
spice tapir
well you should have told me you had those parts
spice tapir
Corsair vengeance pro ram is pretty
Cyberpower is worse
lol
I pitty my friend who bought from cyberpower
native iron
why are people saying 1050ti gives more than 60fps. it seems impossible for my system. what are peopl doing?
specs: 1050ti i5 9600k
fleet canopy
Probably resolution?
vapid crypt
What's your average framerate then, resolution and settings?
native iron
playing 720
fps about 58 when in gunfights
normally, i can walk around in an empty room for about 80 fps
vapid crypt
Okay, sounds pretty typical to what you described then
vapid crypt
You've only tried at 720p?
native iron
should i go lower? wouldnt that make for a really hard-to-see experience
vapid crypt
Well no actually
torn ferry
@spice tapir the only 10th gen processor available is the 10700.
vapid crypt
See the thing about resolution settings, there's a certain balance. At some point the resolution could be so low where the CPU is doing half the rendering work
fleet canopy
Higher resolution = More GPU work, less CPU work
Lower resolution = Less GPU, More CPU
vapid crypt
I would look into seeing how much of the GPU is being utilized at your current settings
fleet canopy
Perhaps they're more likely overclocked
torn ferry
I would go and buy a 9900k, but people suggest I find a deal on a used one and stick with my 8700k.
vapid crypt
If its less than like 90% or higher that tells you the GPU isn't being fully utilized
native iron
i see. does the cpu culling setting do much
and i want my gpu to do as much as possible right?
vapid crypt
Yes you want the GPU to be the bottleneck so to speak
torn ferry
Do I even need a fan splitter for the AIO fans or do I just plug the AIO fans into the fan hubs?
vapid crypt
You have to give it more to render
native iron
my cpu is less outdated than my gpu so yeah i will try to do that
vapid crypt
If its at a low resolution at lowest settings its not doing enough to stress the GPU
Try 900p Medium, that's kind of the best a 1050ti could probably do at this point
torn ferry
Which PSU cables do I buy from Cablemod?
fleet canopy
Any you like
Just have to order the correct ones that is compactible with PSU cables
torn ferry
Which ones do I need to order since Cablemod's compatibility thing is confusing.
fleet canopy
I think they have a page with a whole list of PSUs, and narrowing down to the specific PSU gives you all the cables that fits with it
Just have to look for your PSU
torn ferry
I can't find it on the list though.
fleet canopy
Ctrl + f will give you uhh a bar to type on
torn ferry
No, I cannot find it.
torn ferry
AX850.
fleet canopy
Titanium?
torn ferry
Yes.
fleet canopy
Yeah it's on the list
torn ferry
But on the line that has the name, it says "C-Series RMi / RMx / RM (Black Label)"
fleet canopy
Hm
native iron
ok i took a bit of your advice @vapid crypt and i reduced the cpu culling to small
the number is around 58% for gpu usage its almost like my system is staying ice cold and not even trying
vapid crypt
The GPU usage is 97%
The temp is 58 degrees though
No surprise its not a very high wattage card after all
torn ferry
@fleet canopy so what should I do?
vapid crypt
Actually now that I look at the riva tuner I have no idea what the hell the usage is even at, there's several % numbers for the GPU
torn ferry
How are the cables that Corsair sells on their website?
native iron
@vapid crypt thanks youve been greatly helpful. my final question: which card should I upgrade to that would be around 200 or less? Ive been eyeing the 1650 super...
late sorrel
sell your soul for a 590
vapid crypt
It would be quite a bit faster, but it wouldn't be worth it in the long term
4gb of vram will not be sustainable for much longer, unless of course you're fine with smaller resolutions. But that's not an upgrade you know
Basically, save up for something better. 1660 Super is like 60 or 70 bucks more, but it has a larger memory bus, 2gb more vram. What sucks is for the next generation of GPU we probably won't see entry level for another 6 months after initial release
Oh though I suppose its only like 40 or 50 bucks over 200 so that's not really so bad in that case... maybe wait for a sale I heard some of them go as low as 199 actually
late sorrel
I gotta say I’m tempted to get a PS5 when it comes out
vapid crypt
I mean listen, Demon's Souls remake is a tempting offer
late sorrel
mm, fair, especially with PS4 games and a new little big planet
I’ve wanted to play Spider-Man for a while
vapid crypt
But even still, I would rather spend whatever it costs on a pc upgrade 
late sorrel
And like unwrapped and stuff
But even still, I would rather spend whatever it costs on a pc upgrade :rpdAmerica:
@vapid crypt yeah completely I get that and I will most likely do that
but it’s still something I’d consider
It does come out when gpu’s launch right?
vapid crypt
Um should come out after new gpu's launch
vapid crypt
Hearing Nvidia in September and AMD in October
late sorrel
see, depending how they are I’ll either get it or not
because I’d rather upgrade my 570
and especially with (hopefully) a 3600, I should be able to get like a 3070
all depends on specs
fleet canopy
A 3060 could also do pretty well though tbh
late sorrel
mm, one of the two for sure
fleet canopy
Hopefully it won't be like Intel stocks on 10th gen lmfao
No where to find a 10600K
late sorrel
I probably won’t go big navi tbh
vapid crypt
I've heard the possibility of the 3060 being a 30% improvement over the 2060
Still we won't see that for a few months probably
vapid crypt
Basically its just the top of the stack coming out first
late sorrel
oh that’s mean
fleet canopy
People only care for the higher end smh
vapid crypt
I'm mostly guessing seeing as the 2060 came out like January last year?
late sorrel
Still, that spec will most likely be what I will aim for
vapid crypt
A good 4 months after initial release I think
late sorrel
That 5700XT/2070 at the top of the price bracket
vapid crypt
Yeah 4 months
Even then cause where they priced it they went ahead and made those 16 cards and it all seems so dumb looking back, especially once they started segmenting for every 30 bucks
Hmm so going by techpowerup numbers, assuming a 3060 is a 30% improvement it would stand to be at the same performance as a 2070 Super
vapid crypt
I just hope they actually lower prices though
a x60 card shouldn't be 350 bucks
That's where the x70 card should be tbh
vapid crypt
1499 so called 3090 I could see that happening unfortunately
Just a matter if they make the 3080 1000 bucks
Well at least they won't pull putting the x70 card on a 106 die again
torn ferry
And my parts have been bought.
vapid crypt
Finally I thought you would never buy them
torn ferry
I was just wanting to make sure I have all the accessories or cables I'd need.
All parts will arrive by Thursday at the latest.
Though Amazon hasn't added the charge to my card yet, is it normal that it takes a bit to add it since it's a large order?
restive garnet
From what ive been seeing, the specs on the supposed 3090 seem to be in line with what youd expect from a titan
fleet canopy
So we're getting 48GB of VRAM???
restive garnet
So far, from what ive seen, ram quantity seems to be the same as this gen
fleet canopy
Boo
restive garnet
With the high end cards being 8/11/24 gigs
fleet canopy
24?
restive garnet
Titan
restive garnet
Yeah
restive garnet
Im not sure if the 90 is just gunna be a rebrand of the titan, or if its going to exist alongside the titan
Or if the 90 exists at all, i suppose
fleet canopy
I assume not
restive garnet
Im surprised they arent looking at beefing the vram up a bit
fleet canopy
Fucking weirdo NVIDIA
restive garnet
With the 20xx series, it was probably enough, but 30xx id be expecting itll be running dangerously close
torn ferry
Is it normal that Amazon takes a bit to show the charge in the bank account or confirm the shipment of orders if it's a huge and expensive one?
fleet canopy
They're going to have to step up the VRAM on the 3060 tho
Unless the 2060 was already an 8GB
plain parcel
Can I run this game with a 1060 6gb?
fleet canopy
yeah
vapid crypt
For Amazon they only charge when the product has been shipped
Oh and there are apparently some 8gb 2060s I think
vapid crypt
Seeing as the 2060 Super has 8gb, the 3060 should also have 8
And assuming the 10gb thing is true for the 3080 then the 3070 should have the same amount too
torn ferry
Only the zip ties I ordered got shipped currently. XD
restive garnet
Lmao
abstract kite
Don't get me started about zip ties, these god damn clips for this fan -_-
restive garnet
I buy zip ties all the time, coz they are like 2 bucks a bag, and i always lose them without fail
I have about 8 bags atm, and i cant find any of them
abstract kite
These clips for the Dark Rock Pro 4 are the absolute worst I am not sure how the hell this made it to final production.
restive garnet
Im a little bit surprised, considering how reputable the dark rock pro 4 is
The fan mounting on the hyper212 was a wee bit shit, but for that price you sorta cant complain
abstract kite
Paid $120~ for this
restive garnet
I paid 50 nzd for my hyper 212
So like
30 bucks us
And the fan literally just clips on to the fins
If you arent careful you can crush/break the fins off
vapid crypt
I'm considering all of the big high end air coolers to upgrade to soon enough, but I don't think I want to mess with that shit on the Dark Rock Pro 4
vapid crypt
You could try contacting their support I suppose
torn ferry
How are the cable kits made by Corsair?
vapid crypt
Huh?
torn ferry
restive garnet
What do you mean which cablemod cables?
vapid crypt
Wow those are expensive
torn ferry
How much is Cablemod normally?