#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 116

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 12:19 AM

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it take like 10mins

stable goblet Jun 13, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I went into the bios I wasn't even on any overclocking presets

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yeah but I'd need to back up everything and this and that

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also @late sorrel I have access to my logs what do I do with them, hit send report?

late sorrel Jun 13, 2020, 12:22 AM

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yea

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or paste them here

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as I was interested

stable goblet Jun 13, 2020, 2:21 AM

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sorry for getting back so late alls good I'm sending them the file and we'll see

jovial crow Jun 13, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I'm building a PC and was wondering if a NZXT Kraken X63 CPU Cooler Would be enough for an Intel i9-900K.

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Also, what's the secret to wire management?

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 5:35 AM

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The secret to cable management is there's no secret

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It really depends how you do the cables, whether it ends up in a messy or clean looking state

jovial crow Jun 13, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Ah, I see.

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Thank you Gay

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 5:37 AM

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i heard zipties can help

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 5:38 AM

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If you have a fully or semi modular PSU, there's no need to add in the extra cables if you don't need it at all

jovial crow Jun 13, 2020, 5:38 AM

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I'm using that and velcro but i need to get some more

bright shard Jun 13, 2020, 6:47 AM

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The secret to cm is extreme cable bends

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All the gore is hidden in the back panel

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Look up some techniques for safe cable bending

viscid prism Jun 13, 2020, 9:45 AM

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whats the best ram option what you can have on gtfo? 16 or 32 what ever

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Hello people, i don't know if it's the right place for my question ^^ But i have a friend who would buy the game, but i'm not sure of his config, like do GTFO ask more on graphics or calculs and so processor ? Because he gets a i5 4590 which is a bit less good than the one in minimal configuration, but he also has a GTX750 TI which is better than the one in minimal configuration, moreover he has 16gb, so i would say it'll be good enough for a minimal 1920x1080 around 40fps experience ? Let me know what do you think about it, and if it's in the right chat to ask this, also sorry for my english, i'm French ^^

tacit plaza Jun 13, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Seems about right

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If he turns everything doen should be able to play nicely

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He can buy the game and test if it runs like crap you can refund before the 2hr mark

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Yeah, i'll tell him, thanks for your quick answer man !

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 2:49 PM

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@viscid prism Ram capacity doesn't make a difference as long as the system isn't using all of it when you're playing the game. The game itself won't actually use that much ram so theoretically in terms of price 8gb would be best. But nowadays you want at least 16

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32GB is when we start getting into other kinds of workloads like video editing and what not.

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I'd say the speed of the ram itself would be more pertinent generally that will boost the performance of the CPU up to a certain point.

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@viscid prism 16gb is the sweet spot for most people, 32gb is for heavy workloads like video editing, or for people like me who have way too much stuff running in the background, and if you are running Ryzen, ram speed is critical, go with at least 3200mhz, but 3600mhz is where you will get the best performance, If running intel, ram speed isn’t as important, but in saying that, you still want and the very very least 2800mhz ram, I would still say 3200 is the minimum though for both AMD and Intel

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I have the power!!

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16 GB -> 48 GB

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Any reason?

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Mainly video editing.

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Also, Chrome can't hold me back anymore.

late sorrel Jun 13, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Pog

abstract kite Jun 13, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Beautiful man, beautiful.

late sorrel Jun 13, 2020, 7:22 PM

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16 + 32?

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ah yeah

terse remnant Jun 13, 2020, 7:40 PM

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what is the best graphics card and processor, under $200 each

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Ryzen 5 3600

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For the GPU, uhhh.

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Perhaps a 5500XT or a 5600XT

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Or perhaps a 1660

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By any luck, you might land a 1660 Super

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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None of those are under $200 atm, except maybe a 4gb 5500XT

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And I would recommend avoiding 4gb videocards right now, they will not age well soon enough

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Yeah

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I guess it's not too bad for light 1080p gaming

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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AMD made that clear actually, 4gb is no good going forward

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But yeah the R5 3600 is like 170, so just add the difference to the graphics card

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Yeah, makes it about 400$ easily

terse remnant Jun 13, 2020, 8:06 PM

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i read that the 1660 super is good?

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but 4gb is not going to age well?

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so aim for a 6gb one?

late sorrel Jun 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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yes

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Or 8 if you go amd

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:11 PM

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At least 6GB is the minimum at this point

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But 4GB ain't bad if you're not looking to throw in graphics a lot

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I think 6gb vram and 6 core CPUs are a half step to what will be the minimum soon enough

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Well, it seems like a good number overall for a few years at least

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Sure, a couple more years for 1080p

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I think its time to move on from 1080p phaWesker

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But that won't be realized until 1440p becomes super affordable, but I kinda doubt the price could come down that much phaSheva

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Indeed why 6 cores and 6GB vram is still good imo

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Unless they go for TN panels on 1440p

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But those are uhh

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Probably not much of an option for people lmfao

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Behold the cheapest 1440p display on Newegg https://www.newegg.com/axm-2768-27-qhd/p/15Z-00MH-00006?&quicklink=true

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Actually that's not entirely true, there are some 13 inch monitors or something, they're like portable

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But that's weird PirateSimon

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Oh wow that's quite a uhh

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Price drop

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Oh it's a 60Hz

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Makes sense

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Now what exactly is an AHVA panel, hm

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Um its like IPS but faster?

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Oh

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:28 PM

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"Advanced Hyper Viewing Angles"

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Some kind of weird hybrid of VA and TN

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This isn't a bad deal both on sale and with a 20 dollar promo https://www.newegg.com/black-acer-vg270u-bmiipx-um-hv0aa-005-27/p/N82E16824011340?&quicklink=true

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Yikes, only 75Hz?

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:53 PM

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In my case that's the refresh rate I'm already using

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:53 PM

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If it were 144hz

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400-500$

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:53 PM

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There's a 1080p monitor I'm waiting to get restocked on Amazon, but it's IPS, 144Hz, and G-Sync Compatible.

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It's only $200.

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Plus height adjustable stand.

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:54 PM

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A TN 144hz 1440p is like about 50$ more iirc

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Yeah, so I don't get how a 75Hz 1440p monitor could cost $250 on sale.

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And it's not even IPS.

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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It is IPS

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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If it were TN

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Then it'd be like

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170$?

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Oh wow it just went out of stock hahaha

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

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About 150-180$

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I thought you said it was a hybrid of TN and VA.

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Nah that was a different monitor

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It was like $175 on sale 60hz

jade ermine Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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3440x1440 144HZ IPS gang

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Possibly the ugliest stand I've ever seen

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Somebody's selling the monitor you linked for $400 now.

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Yeah the Newegg stock sold out

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Just now it seems

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Price gougers should meet a fate worse than death.

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Imagine having an ultra widescreen

eternal cairn Jun 13, 2020, 8:59 PM

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That monitor price is nearly double.

stable goblet Jun 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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i have a refurb hp omen

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1080 144hz

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paid 150

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works great

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its tn 1ms not the prettiest or most accurate but perfect for the games I play

torn ferry Jun 13, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Still trying to decide if I should go with the O11 Dynamic XL or not.

fleet canopy Jun 13, 2020, 11:47 PM

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imo it's not r eally worth it just because of its size

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The regular O11 Dynamic is great

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Its not entirely inaccurate to say that the XL is improved

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Though they're both good cases of course

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And I can actually find the XL in stock phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 13, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I mean, what can be done with the XL that isn't possible with the regular?

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Well since there's more space you can fit more in it, I think it has some better filtering and you can actually mount a full sized fan on the rear

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Otherwise its basically just the same case but bigger

torn ferry Jun 13, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I'm just scared to go with the Corsair cases since I've seen that only low profile RAM will fit if a radiator is on the top mounted slot.

vapid crypt Jun 13, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Those ram heat spreaders must be some massive Oloy shit if that's happening

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phaWesker

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Yeah those things would probably impede everything tbh

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I've just heard RGB Pro RAM won't fit in the 465x or 570x if there is a radiator mounted on the top.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I'd say get GSkill's Trident Z RGB Neo instead then if you go for that, otherwise with the o11 its easy to just mount the rad on the side

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Though saying that I'm pretty sure a front mount on a 465X wouldn't be out of the question

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I'm probably going to use a 360mm radiator on the side.

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What is the best place for a 360mm radiator though in the Dynamic? Top, side, or bottom?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Yeah I would say the side

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Intake fans for the bottom, exhaust fans at the top

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:05 AM

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And do you have a diagram or picture of how to set up the 9 fans in terms of where to plug cables and RGB controllers?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:05 AM

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No I have no such thing unfortunately PirateSimon

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That's sort of where the magic happens, the magic of cable management

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:06 AM

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I mean like how the cables are plugged in.

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Like what exactly I need from Corsair's side to get all 9 fans connected and able to be controlled.

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Like, do I need 1 or 2 fan hubs? Only the commander pro? A node core? Etc.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Well how many fans does the hub support?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Each fan hub supports up to 6.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Um I think the fans on the AIO should connect together to count as a single fan

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:08 AM

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And this is what the commander pro looks like:
https://gyazo.com/549c54c2b70fd9d2ecb8d32aac7afb18

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Like some fans have a split connector that allow you to chain fans together

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I'm assuming both hubs go into the LED channel connectors?

celest yew Jun 14, 2020, 12:09 AM

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just open the side of your case and use a box fan

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Would black case fans ruin the white build aesthetic or not really?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:11 AM

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It wouldn't because white and black literally go well with anything, including eachother

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If you slap some beige and brown Noctua fans in there that would kill everything for example phaWesker

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But it would indeed cool well

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Are Samsung M.2 SSDs fine or is there a better brand for it?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 12:14 AM

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They're pretty fast, they're pretty overpriced

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:15 AM

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They're the best and they know it, but there are cheaper brands that offer nearly the same if not basically the same performance like Sabrent

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I can't seem to find anywhere that has an H150i RGB Pro XT from Corsair.

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Newegg, $328, nice.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:18 AM

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The O11 Dynamic XL is 200

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Right now, trying to get AIO settled.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Oh the AIO

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Shit uh just look for Deepcool's Castle 360EX White

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Is that one good?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Sure is, top in the cooling world going by a certain tier list I've seen anyway

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Deepcool Castle 360EX White?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:25 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Addressable-Anti-Leak-Technology-Controller-Motherboard/dp/B07X74W9TL/

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Oh and if you curious about that tier list https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

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Yeah they have it in Tier 1 so phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

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What do the four numbers for RAM mean? Are those the timings?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Like when it says 14-14-14-32

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

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For the RAM I am getting it says 15-15-15-36.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Yeah those are the timings

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Specifically its timings when set to XMP

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM

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The lower the numbers, the better.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Within reason

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Is the timings I listed fine or should I find lower timings?

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Typically, for gaming, most people usually get CL16.

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Those timings are pretty exceptional.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM

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3600 16

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That tends to do well

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Anything above 3600 MHz is overkill.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Not necessarily, but to take advantage of anything above that requires infinity fabric overclocking for Ryzen anyway

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I'd probably recommend either CL14 or CL16 timings in the event you want to upgrade your RAM capacity, but I don't think you will.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Typically the 3200mhz kits at C14 are Samsung B-die

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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And you can OC them to 3600MHz.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Yeah Easily

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 12:35 AM

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What is the difference between EVO and QVO for Samsung's 2.5 inch SSDs?

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:35 AM

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QVO is slower than EVO.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Is it?

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:37 AM

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By a pretty small margin.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Hmm I suppose it is

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Turbo-write speeds are slower.

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Just go with whichever is cheaper.

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The difference will hardly matter in gaming.

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Well, I am out of luck now.

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Microcenter doesn't have the motherboard anymore. XD

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So what do I do now? XD

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If there is a Newegg listing that says the 10600k is in stock, could it possibly be false and that they're claiming it is in stock?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Not really out of luck when we've told you a thousand times to keep your current mobo and cpu cause it isn't worth a side grade PirateSimon

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:18 AM

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The 10600k is a side grade?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Yeah, you're not getting any performance out of it really

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Then I need to find a Z390 board.

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Oorrrr

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Just keep it

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:22 AM

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We talked about this at length, the 8700K and 10600K have the same core and thread parity

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:22 AM

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And just forget that you own a 8700K and a 2080 until like

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:22 AM

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There is 0 IPC gain from Coffee Lake to Comet Lake

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Just increased clock speeds

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:22 AM

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RTX 4000 comes out or AMD pulls something very good out of their bum bim bam bom

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Zen 3 will be the reckoning

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Mm

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Think about it

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4700X with an RTX 4070

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Uh hard to say what Navi 2 holds but it must be promising if Nvidia decided to make their x80 card on a 102 die and increase clocks to have the wattage above 300w

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That's something AMD typically does, crank the voltage and clocks for extra performance at the cost of efficiency and temps

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Well I should say Radeon

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That's what they did with the 5700XT, the cranked up the clocks to beat the 2070 in performance

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:27 AM

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How is the Z390-F board?

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Compared to Z390-E, both from Asus.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I'm sure its fine, but yeah that's expensive. Though come to think of it I think that might have been the same board I found on ebay for 189 refurbished

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Oh its 209 on Newegg

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I can't find any information about its VRMs, hoping there would be a detailed review somewhere

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Another one I found in Microcenter that can be shipped is the Gigabyte Z390 Designare.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Seems like a good board from what I can tell, how much is it going for?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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$269.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Its more of a how do I put this

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Creative type motherboard

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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So it's not meant for gaming use?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Well that's not it

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Its just not marketed towards gamers phaWesker

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The whole gaming thing is pure marketing

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It has a lot of features you likely wouldn't need though

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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What are my chances that this is a sham listing and not actually in stock somewhere?
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10600k-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118124?Item=9SIA12KBF24976

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Amazing

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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So high chance or low chance?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Don't buy that ever

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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What he is saying is

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Don't buy anything from the 10th gen

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Except maybe a 10900K

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I want to put this into perspective, for like 50 bucks more you could get a 12 core

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Or AMD

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3900X is a good CPU

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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That's clearly overpriced, the normal price on Newegg is 299... which is still more than its worth tbh

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Considering its 20 bucks more than a 3700X

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So for less money you get more cores even

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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The 10600K is that much?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Majority of the Microcenter AMD boards available to be shipped are Threadripper boards.

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Goddamn Intel ain't holding back on these prices

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Well there's an easy solution for that, don't buy it from microcenter

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Buy it from Newegg

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Buy it from Amazon

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Buy it froooom

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Best buy maybe

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Or Walmart maaaaybe

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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What are the good X570 boards?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Well, for X570

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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ive barely looked at X570, but im assuming itd be same as usual

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Asus TUF Gaming

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190$

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Best in class at sub 200 is easily the TUF gaming yeah

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If you could find one at just over 200 is the MAG Tomahawk

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Double the price on Newegg for the Tomahawk.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Shipments have been really limited though

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Any worth noting from MAG compared to TUF?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Yeah that's not actually from newegg though

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That's some third party seller

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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from what i hear, at least for the tomhawks, the MAG is a great plug and play board

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Its 219 and out of stock

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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2 x16 pcie slots, hm

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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dont really need to bother with driver updates out of the box

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Ah

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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but those TUF gaming ones are pretty stronk

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both spec wise and physically

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Most of the good boards that are under 300 are out of stock from what I can tell here

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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odds are most things will be out of stock for the next few months

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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B550 boards have a release on the 16th

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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id imagine the US are having a hard time, with everyone both domestically and internationally crapping themselves

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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At least the good ones that are pretty popular

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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So you could pre-order a B550 board

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Yeah those are a thing

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Does B550 support 3000 Ryzen series though?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Might as well stick with X570 anyways

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Yeah

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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yeah

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Seems like that's a popular thing to do though, the really good ones are sold out already

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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they just lack a few features of X570

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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It's like a more mid tier version of an X570

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Its like B460 but actually good

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PirateSimon

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Hah

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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as i remember, X470 had PCIE gen 4 while B450 only had gen 3

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its usually just stuff like that

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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We might have to see however

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Uh no that's actually not true

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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feel free to correct me

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im not terribly familiar with AMD boards

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Any X470 boards that had gen 4 support got revoked cause AMD was like no you can't do that phaWesker

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Buy that X570

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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How much does the Asus Z390-E board normally cost?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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i honestly dont remember hearing anything about that

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they cost about 500 NZD over here, for whatever little that reference is worth

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Step Three: Enter a couple of different retailers like Amazon or Newegg to find price
Step 4: Success!

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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so id imagine anything over about 300 USD, you are getting ripped off

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or rather, you are definitely getting ripped off

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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The only B550 boards available to pre-order are Asrock boards

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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The one board I can find is the Asus Z390-F board, but Demonio said he couldn't find anything about the VRMs.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Yeah I would think it would be fine but you could never be too sure

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Look to manufacture page then ig

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I couldn't find any review on that board, only the E model

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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i seem to recall most ASUS z390 boards had mediocre VRMs

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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And Gamersnexus always note the VRM

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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not bad as such, just not as good as they usually do

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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I think they changed that with Z490

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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ive barely looked at Z390 tbh

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Cause I heard their prime board is fine

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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^490

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that whole chipset is a write off for me because of the change to LGA 1200

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Even MSI put in the effort the A-Pro is pretty good

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:53 AM

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id imagine with the voltage increase for 10th gen, they probably had to step up their VRM game

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Meanwhile Asrock dropped the ball, their 189 phantom gaming Z490 board thermal throttles, while MSI's B460 Mortar board clocks a 10900K higher with its boost phaWesker

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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YIKES

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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That Mortar is a 120 dollar board, if it weren't for the limited RAM overclocking and well... overclocking in general it would kill the low end Z boards in terms of value

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:56 AM

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im not terribly familiar with RAM overclocking, at least, outside of strix boards

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Isn't Asus Prime the lower end for motherboards?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:56 AM

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but afaik, most modern boards cap out around the 4000 mhz mark

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asus prime are solid budget mobos

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:57 AM

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B460 doesn't really allow it to go passed 2933... specifically with an i7 or higher

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i5s get limited to 2666

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 2:57 AM

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fair, i always forget how much the B series gets neutered compared to Z series

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i havent had a non Z series mobo in the last 5 years or so

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and when i was on my b250, i didnt do any overclocking anyway

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:59 AM

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📎 6d365c2b2afcea8660773cd96a3210ed.png

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See the Prime board does pretty well

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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How expensive is the 10900k?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Over 500 bucks

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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i think probably closer to 600

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Uh I mean I don't know the MSRP

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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at least, at retail anyway

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Might be 549 or something

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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You're better off getting a 3900X

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That shit will last years

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Technically speaking, I agree for the money

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Though its refresh is coming out next month

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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10900k is $489 MSRP according to tomshardware.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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what about retail?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Tomshardware... yuck

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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it costs about 1000 NZD over here

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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The only moronic thing I remember of that website is the Just Buy It post regarding the RTX cards.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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the just buy it thing wasnt that bad

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pretty normal for most sites

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Uh, I suppose for common journalist trash sure

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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but the fact they also had an article saying you should NOT buy them

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I do know they did a half assed test on one of the MSI X570 boards

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Only legit info of MSRP is from the manufacture website

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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two very definitive articles, both stating the exact opposite thing

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intel ark is pretty good

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Because if you do both, you're pretty fucking weird

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But it gets the job done

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:03 AM

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RRP is 488-499 according to intel

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:03 AM

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And they heard about the bad reputation about them, their test concluded that it was fine and it must be a rumor. Their test though was half assed cause it was done using an open air case and they used a 3700X to test the VRMs

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:03 AM

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It basically could be all done with "Is the <CPU Name> worth it?"

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And stonks go 6,666% increase

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Which I mean sure, okay it can handle an 8 core fine, but it can't handle a ryzen 9 and that's the problem phaWesker

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:04 AM

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itd be better as two seperate tests imo

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one to say its fine for average usage

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one to say its fine for heavy usage

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3700x vs 3950x

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Hm

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What about 3900X vs a 3950x

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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i was thinking more of a case of what likely usage is, and what the most extreme usage is

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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They're both in the same class practically so

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But the idea is testing with the 3950X if it works fine it will be fine for everything below it

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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^^

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but having the 3700x test as well at least gives you a decent baseline, and a fair idea of upgradability when taken in to context

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Should I get the Z390-F board or not?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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imo

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at the moment its a really bad time to buy most parts

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prices and stock on existing products are weird

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and most categories have new releases right around the corner

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you could get a Z390, but the AMD refresh is just around the corner

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Will AMD even benefit my use case?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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It will benefit your wallet

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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I intend to only play games on a computer.

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Doesn't really matter now

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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you can get to within 10% gaming performance of intel CPUs for a few hundred less

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Then again what's best for your wallet is not to spend frivolously

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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plus blitzing them in most other areas

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Ehh I don't really think so

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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So I would say don't buy a new motherboard or cpu

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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It's just not worth getting a CPU for 10% more FPS ish

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Unless it's 10% more on a big amount of FPS

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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diminishing returns tho

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Get better RAM, get better cooling, get a better case to go with that if you'd like. I'm sure the faster RAM alone would improve things

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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10% 60 fps, you wont really notice

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10% on 200 fps, you probably also wont notice

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:12 AM

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60 vs 66 or 200 vs 220

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Yeah I mean you wouldn't notice a small increase like that for sure, I think it would be to be at least 25%

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:12 AM

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pretty much

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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If it was about 240Hz which is kind of dumb, then sure it's beneficial in some ways

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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240 vs 264

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again, not a particularly large increase

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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can anybody here help me with my GTFO? not sure if this is the correct chat or not

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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depends what your issue is

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Is it a technical issue?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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we are a giant bunch of nerds, so we might be able to help

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Might

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:15 AM

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so i was on my GTFO once but my computer fan was broke so i was playing on a terribly low frames

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:15 AM

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ooft

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:15 AM

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so in order to play, what i had to do was change the resolution to the smallest screen size possible

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:15 AM

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probs something like 640x480

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:15 AM

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What fan broke exactly?

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I then logged off for the day and got my fan fixed, so I am trying to run the game now, but when I log back on to GTFO it has the settings saved as I had it before. so there is an invisible box when I try to get back on

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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also, i think he should probably finish explaining what his problem is before we grill him for details

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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so I cant get into the game or press start or get to the settings

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I tried uninstalling and reinstalling and it stayed with the box issue

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Hmm okay so this would be most appropriate for #gtfo-technical-support

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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probably

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but hypothetically

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there should be a config file somewhere

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and all youd need to do is change the resolution in the file

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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i tried going into properties and set launch options to a few different settings

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but none worked

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how would I change the res?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:18 AM

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have you tried the launch options for resolution?

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by memory its something like w=1920 h=1080 or something

minor oasis Jun 14, 2020, 3:19 AM

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i tried set launch options...I tried -autoconfig and other, I tried something with W and H

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:21 AM

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alright

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so

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copy this

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%USERPROFILE%\AppData\LocalLow\10 Chambers Collective\GTFO

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and paste it in to your windows explorer

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hit enter, and open GTFO_settings

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scroll down till you see something like this

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📎 unknown.png

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change the X to your horizontal resolution, Y to your vertical resolution

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in my case, 3440x1440, in yours, probably something like 1920x1080

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after that, save it and launch the game

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Sorry to interrupt, but I have to share that Buildzoid has a new video out about Z490 boards PirateSimon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iLS3poPn8o

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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cant say im familiar with buildzoid

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he any decent?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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He's an overclocking nerd, loves to analyze motherboards on their features and performance

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Fairly long winded though

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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How are Gigabyte's Z390 boards?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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they have some pretty nice Z390 boards

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they had this one particularly nice waterforce board

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used to be able to buy it with a binned 9900k

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Oh maybe I should find a buildzoid video see if he looked at the Z390-F

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Why didn't I think of that sooner

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Is the 9900k not worth the cost I assume?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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10900K is basically the same price

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Honestly, it was never worth the cost

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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and has a marginal performance increase

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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I assume it is also a side grade from an 8700k?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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nah

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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No it would be an upgrade

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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direct improvement

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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More cores and threads

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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How much of an improvement?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Uhh

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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2c/4t plus some extra base clock and turbo

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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4 cores 8 threads more

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Isn't the 10900K a 10 core?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Well in games, it wouldn't be that much of an improvement technically; outside of if you clock the fucking thing higher than your 8700K

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yeah

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9900 is an 8 core tho

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Which you probably aren't overclocking that thing as it is

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I'm sure if you get a new cooler on that thing, it would be good to go for an OC

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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in terms of gaming performance, probably a marginal increase

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Did you find anything on the Z390-F?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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in terms of multi threaded work loads, a decent increase, but probably not really worth it

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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So it's 50$ more for a refresh CPU or 500$ ish for similar performance, nothing too special

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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From what I can see from this, the Prime, Strix F and E are all using the same VRMs

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But hang on let me be sure here

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Oh uh

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:31 AM

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oh, i just saw the buildzoid video lmao

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:31 AM

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So going from this, Gigabyte has the best VRMs on all their Z390 boards

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:31 AM

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didnt realize he was a part of GN

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Oh yeah he free lances for them basically

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His channel is Actually Hardcore Overclocking

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:32 AM

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fair enough

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Okay Shawn for the money, Gigabyte's Z390 Aorus Elite seems like a winner

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It even has RGB ram sockets PirateSimon

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:35 AM

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those ram sockets look really dope

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but if you already have RGB ram, they are sorta un noticable

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:35 AM

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$180 on Newegg.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Yeah going by Buildzoid its the minimum for handling a 9900k

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:37 AM

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I mean, isn't it a bad idea for me to get a 9900k?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Right now it is

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At some point a used 9900K would be a feasible option when the time comes

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Would someone be able to help me through the build process?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:38 AM

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definitely

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that shits nerd porn

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:39 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jFXl0GZJo

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Tutorials for days PirateSimon

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:39 AM

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45 minutes holy shit

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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He added time stamps to the seek bar phaJessica

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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And description

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Very nice

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The fun part

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Well the seek bar is a recent update so

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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( Peeling plastic )

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Ugh

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Peeling plastic always look good

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:41 AM

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ngl, i still have most of the plastic on my 680x

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whoever the guy at corsair was who put the plastic on, did an immaculate job

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:41 AM

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If it was a guy

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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and im constantly playing with it, so i just said fuck it, ill leave the plastic on

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Might have been a robot phaSip

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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and here i was thinking that you were going to try tell me that a female did it

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Peel it halfway

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Then put it back on

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:)

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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pls

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no

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Pl

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s

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yes

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:50 AM

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What do I do if it's telling me that there aren't enough USB 3.1 Gen 2 headers for Front I/O?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Uhh

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That'd be weird

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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You mean PC part picker telling you that?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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I'd just ignore it ig

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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"Lian Li O11D XL-W ATX Full Tower Case has a front panel USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A port, but the Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard does not have sufficient USB 3.2 Gen 1 headers. The case USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A port will not be usable."

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Meh

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Basically you won't have usb available on the front panel in that case

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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You'll still have the motherboard's IO USB port either way

stable goblet Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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you telling me a z390 board doesnt have enough

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I would not ignore the 3.1 slots. Just last week I had a USB 2.0 slot just die on me.

stable goblet Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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dam dude

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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The frontal USB's were a life saver

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Hm

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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It really took a simple restart

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Hmmm

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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slightly off topic question, but do any of you guys know how people join discord channels that are already at their limit?

stable goblet Jun 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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be admin

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loo

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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It doesn't have a USB Gen 3 header

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That's weird

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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aside from the obvious

stable goblet Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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admin or mod can put you into one

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or

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go to your own disc without a limit and invite

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i do that

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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i was more meaning this discord in general

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I think the Admin/Owners need to talk to Discord to have them increase the limit of people to come into the server.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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No I'm mistaken

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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coz i see so many people in channels with a cap of 4 people

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I am pretty sure D0c said something about that before

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That is just a bug

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Yeah you just request the server to increase the cap

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Only Mod+ have the ability to override that function

void perch Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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coz i see so many people in channels with a cap of 4 people
@restive garnet that's a bug in discord. Reload the app and it'll be normal

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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I don't think Mod do

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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makes sense

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Oh okay the extra header on the case might be for the Type-c port

void perch Jun 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Mods and admins can change channel size limit and join full ones

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Oh you mean voice channels

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How funny

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 3:56 AM

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So you can decide if you want type c over the regular type a

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 3:58 AM

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just reloaded, everythings showing up normal

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mind = blown

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:08 AM

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So is there nothing I can do if there are not enough 3.2 Gen 1 headers?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:08 AM

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There's only one header on the motherboard, so

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:08 AM

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What thermal paste do I buy?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I doubt there's many motherboards with more than one gen 3 header, don't worry about it

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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you can buy an internal USB hub

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Its no big deal

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Cause the second header on the case is for a type c port

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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yeah

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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So just use the one for the two Type As

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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for whatever reason, my case wont let be use my type C

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computer wont boot when its plugged in

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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What thermal paste do I buy?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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but i havent missed not being able to use it

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as for paste

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most paste is the same within margin

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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In your case, I would say get something that lasts without having to apply it often

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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arctic silver 5 is a decent cheap option

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my personal favorite is anything thermal grizzly

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Like MX-4, Master Gel Maker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Arctic MX-4 is the best seller on Amazon.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:11 AM

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cryonaut is a solid all around paste

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conductonaut if you want to risk running liquid metal for the huge increase in conductivity

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Liquid metal, hm

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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And you said the Aorus Elite is the minimum needed for a 9900k? Certain Z390 boards cannot handle it or something?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Uh yeah in its price class, its the only one that can handle the 9900K

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Shouldn't be the case

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Its a sub 200 board

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpphKzmDiJM

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2018

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Obviously if you go above 200, 300 and so one there will be plenty

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But in that particular price class, that board is the minimum

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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What happens if I did a different board and bought a 9900k? Would it be unable to run properly?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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That depends what board

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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It would run, its a matter of how efficient the VRM is and if you're overclocking the chip as well

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The Aorus Elite will handle overclocking it no problem

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I don't intend to overclock.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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most boards can run it at stock settings, but some boards may have trouble running at at max turbo or with overclocking

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Either way its a good board, it should handle its turbo no problem

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Well let me rephrase that

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It will handle its turbo

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:15 AM

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yeah, i wouldnt worry to much about that particular board

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i wouldnt ever use it, but im a dead set ASUS fanboy

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id happily reccommend it tho

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Though I shouldn't get a 9900k anyway?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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No reason to cheap out, I think in terms of price its the sweet spot considering its performance

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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imo, unless you get a good deal on a used one, there isnt much point

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current retail prices on the 9900 are near identical to a 10900

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at least, over here anyway

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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And I will agree to that, I'm only recommending you get that board if you're intending to get a good used deal on a 9900K

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Otherwise just continue using the board you have

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:17 AM

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if you are buying retail, youd probs be better spending a little bit more on a z490 board and a 10900

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but if you get a decent deal on a used one, its probably not a bad way to go

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Yes that makes sense, all or nothing for Z490 imo

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10600K is a side grade, 10700K is a rebrand

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:18 AM

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What is 10700k's retail price?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Should be 409

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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10700K is not even worth it really

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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$576 Newegg, no thank you.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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10700K is literally just another 9900K

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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550 on amazon

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intel ark puts it at $374.00 - $387.00 RRP

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Should I get it though or no? I was set on the Z490-A board since it also has a white aesthetic to it.

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I'm thinking not and just salvage my 8700k to put in a Z390 board.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I see it as an all or nothing, if you settle for Z490 go for the best possible chip cause otherwise it isn't worth it. If you go the Z390 route that leaves you open to getting a good deal for a 9900K

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Alternatively there's switching platforms entirely, getting an X570 board maybe picking up a 3600 for now and upgrading to a higher end Zen 3 chip later on

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:24 AM

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If there was a 10900k somewhere, I'd get it, but out of stock.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Yeah its just been a paper launch, all you can really do is wait

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:25 AM

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How often do you see a deal for 9900k?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Not something I would know, you would have to actively look for a good used deal. Unfortunately Intel processors like to retain their value even in the used market

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:26 AM

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10700k available at Best Buy, but it's pickup only.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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8700Ks second hand here go for pretty much the same price as they cost retail

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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I don't see that anywhere

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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See what?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Oh you said Amazon at first phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:28 AM

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I'm fighting to stay awake.

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Not really, but I'm doing deep calculations and math for pricing and best optimization of stores.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Their 10900K is sold out unfortunately

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Currently right now I have to get parts from 4 retailers to get all the parts I need.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Well if its a must I suppose 409 won't be beat even by a used 9900K currently

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I don't think its worth it considering a 3700X is south of 300 now, but that's only my opinion after all phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Surprisingly Best Buy has an 850w RMx, which is what I want to get for 3000 series RTX when it drops.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:29 AM

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if corona virus wasnt a thing, id recommend making friends with someone at a local computer shop

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usually they can get stock in for a decent price

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works a treat over here

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I don't have a local computer shop near me though.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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i live in one of the larger towns in NZ, at 160,000 people

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whole place is like 20km across

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the only big place is my local place lmao

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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What are all the tools I would need to build the PC?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Alright well now I gotta look at the Z490 video

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Z490-A from Asus.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Get ready for this

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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screw drivers

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Its really complex

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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usually cross head

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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PirateSimon

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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zip ties

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anything else is generally supplied with anything you buy

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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RGB zip ties, got it.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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No not Zip Ties, Tweezers phaWesker

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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ez

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ah yes

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i see you studied at the verge PC building academy

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Did someone say RGB?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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And then I need an alan wrench to put together my IKEA table to build the PC.

late sorrel Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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ok I want to do an IKEA pc case build at some point

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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But!

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Fiiiirst

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You need a table!

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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You need Tweezers, a Swiss Army Knife that hopefully has a philips head screw driver, an Alan key, oh and let's not forget the anti-static wrist band that is actually just a silicon wrist band PirateSimon

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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i mean, worst case scenario

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:33 AM

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How you build table without a table

late sorrel Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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build in a table

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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just get a mobo tray off amazon

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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IN A TABLE??? WHAT A MADMAN

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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and build a case around it out of ikea shit

late sorrel Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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I’m not kidding

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IKEA furniture would be perfect

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Yeah there are uh table pc cases

late sorrel Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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make your own tho

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not some lian Li shit

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Computer-Bracket-Backplane-Graphics/dp/B076D49119/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=motherboard+tray&qid=1592109291&sr=8-5

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just get something like that

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Mm

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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slap some stand offs on it, and screw it in to a desk or whatever

late sorrel Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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yeah exactly

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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If I were a carpenter I would consider it, but alas

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:36 AM

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carpentry is easy to do, hard to do well

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Actually I know a guy online that is, literally goes by that as his screen name. I should have suggested he made a wood pc case, probably would have been sick

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:36 AM

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there is definitely an art to it, but just to make something form fitting and functional, its mostly just design work

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:38 AM

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What size screwdrivers do I need?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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A #2 Phillips will handle most things

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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honestly, i dont even know

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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You would need a #0 for the M.2 screw though

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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i always just use whatever screwdriver comes to hand, and it almost always works

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I'm a mad man and only had a #2 phaWesker

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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it also might pay to buy a driver kit

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I just bought a 65 inch LG Oled CX series with Nvidia Gsync for a computer monitor. Am I going to go blind?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Uh, no that's a myth

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:40 AM

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you can get decent ones for like 20 bucks

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:40 AM

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But it is important to rest your eyes after a long time of starting at screens

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:40 AM

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can confirm

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particularly when it comes to blue light

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your eyes deteriorate from prolonged computer use

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my eyesight is basically garbage these days

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I guess that explains why I started needing glasses by age 9 PirateSimon

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:41 AM

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same boat

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:41 AM

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My glasses allow to see pixels not even people can see smh

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:41 AM

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my eyesight was fine till i was about 10

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now, while i dont NEED glasses, they definitely help

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though, tbf, my whole family has eyesight problems

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both brothers are color blind

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whole family have astigmatisms

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Well if my eyes are going to deteriorate, at least they can go out in style. This oled is legit.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:43 AM

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I've heard Oled has been pretty lit

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Too bad they're not the least bit affordable in the PC monitor space

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:43 AM

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i would love if my current monitor was an oled

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curved ultrawide

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Naw. This one I got is a television. It just has Nvidia Gsync compatibility for Pcs.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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would be dope as hell

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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You seen those super ultrawides? 32:9?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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yeah, that samsung one looks wild

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5120x1440

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I have it on my spare pc

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Besides a screwdriver set and zip ties, what else do I need in terms of cables?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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everything should be covered in what you buy

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Uh Cables?

inner garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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📎 20200418_214942.jpg

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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I mean like fan splitters, hubs, controllers, etc.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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depends what you want to do

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I think you're the best judge for that

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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if the whole front panel connector thing bothers you, get a USB hub

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if you want to run non digital fans like noctuas, you might need splitters

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Well the front panel thing is simple, do you want a type c port, or 2 type a ports?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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otherwise, digitals almost always have a proprietary fan hub

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I can't seem to find NZXT's Internal USB Hub in stock.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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i have one of them

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they are.. interesting

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they seem to have lots of issues

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a lot of people have them die within the first month or two of having them

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personally, mine hasnt worked in ages

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but i think thats because they dont like being daisy chained

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I found one.

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One I bought a while ago.

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It looks cheaply made to me.

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Are you supposed to see the individually colored wires?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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it definitely feels cheaply made

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but its 30 bucks, and is simple to set up

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well, 30 bucks NZ

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Oh those are for 2.0 ports

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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i mostly get angry because its supposed to be magnetically mounted, but the mangets are shit

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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That's not even the issue on the o11

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I'm also wondering if I should buy white peripherals for my build.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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thats completely up to you

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i know razer make a decent range of white stuff now

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I would get the K70 SE from Corsair, but it only comes with MX Speed switches.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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just swap the switches out

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Don't you have to desolder and then resolder new switches?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:56 AM

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So funny thing my buddy actually bought that keyboard and received it today

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 4:56 AM

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yeah, but its not a hard thing to do

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:57 AM

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He likes it more over the blue switch keyboard he used to have

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:57 AM

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MX Blue is an odd choice for gaming.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Well its not something I really have a problem with personally, though I'm using blue clones phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:57 AM

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https://www.asus.com/us/Headphones-Headsets/ROG-Delta-White-Edition/
This looks cool.

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 4:59 AM

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The blues annoy the shit outta me sometimes

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:00 AM

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The only thing I am scared of is that if Best Buy does or doesn't actually have a 10700k or a RMx 850w in stock.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:00 AM

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call them

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Well it said on the best buy product page that you order it for pick up at a local store

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If it were sold out it would say so

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 AM

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If the product gets out of stock after I place the order, will they call to tell me and cancel the order?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I don't think that's how that works

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A product is considered off the shelf when someone orders it

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:02 AM

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So what happens?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 AM

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You reserve your product when you order it

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 AM

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If I placed an order for a product that says is in stock, but then they find it's not in stock, do they cancel the order?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 AM

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It can't suddenly be out of stock unless its stolen

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They also won't charge you until they ship

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Well

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Technically speaking

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The product page takes time to be updated

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If it gets sold out out and you order before it gets update, theyll usually call you and tell you they cant fulfill the order

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 AM

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My other option for power supply if Plan A fails is to buy one that has a much higher wattage than needed despite the price.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Oh hang on a moment

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:06 AM

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My local store use their own website to check on stock

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Hmm nevermind phaSheva

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 AM

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So during sales, its not uncommon to find out they are out of stock but it hasnt updated

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 AM

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So Best Buy has no 10600K outside of pre-builts which have sold out. 10900Ks are sold out too

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10700K seems to be the only ones they have

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Clearly not the popular part atm

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Hmm they're advertising some Corsair Tm30 paste to go along with it too that's cute phaWesker

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Lmao

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 AM

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📎 fb15582b6d02e7dbfaf1ead843a4e383.png

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Whatever's with the month thing

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I assume it's like regular monthly payments until you're fully done?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 AM

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That is monthly payments

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 AM

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My guess, its on a 1 year finance

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Yup

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Oh yeah, it is

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Im blind

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:12 AM

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I mean if you're set on the upgrade just go for it, don't worry about some stock issue that might not even be there

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I would recommend just keeping what you have until there's better options later, but that's of course for you to decide

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Im with demonio

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 AM

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529 9900k listed right below the 10700K phaLeon

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Youve got decent parts atm, and there is gunna be a lot more options in a few months time

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 AM

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📎 fcfb79a7ae341878e008da8c700b80f6.png

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Though, no reason not to get a new case if you can find one in stock that you like

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PSU is probably the same

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:15 AM

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I recommended someone to get a Bitfenix Whisper PSU if they could find one, and the only listing is on B&H for the 850W. Apparently it comes directly from the manufacturer phaSheva

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Err directly from the distributor I'm not even sure what that means

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I can't find any cases I like on Best Buy.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Probably means that the manufacturer sends all their product to regional distributors

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And the distributors handle orders for particular reason

#

Corsair does a similar thing over here

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Cept it can take months to get anything from them

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Only Microcenter has the O11 Dynamic XL.

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Amazon doesn't have the sleeved cables I need for PSU.

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Check cablemod

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Where does cablemod ship from?

restive garnet Jun 14, 2020, 5:29 AM

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not sure

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somewhere in the US i think

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if you dont wanna go to the trouble of making your own cables, and you dont want to do generic sleeved cables, cablemod is definitely the way to go

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and if you dont mind using extension cables rather than full cables, its not terribly expensive either

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plus they stock a bunch of other stuff like UV lights for UV reactive liquid cooling and whatnot

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Do fully modular PSUs come with cables or no?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Yeah of course

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Other than the cable kit for the specific PSU, what else should I get from Cablemod?

eternal cairn Jun 14, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Backup cables.

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Is Microcenter normally slow when it comes to sending invoices?

lean mulch Jun 14, 2020, 11:18 AM

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.. intel 10X series.. 12nm ++++++++

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 11:30 AM

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14nm++++++*

terse remnant Jun 14, 2020, 11:57 AM

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does motherboard affect performance?

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i have an old desktop computer i got when i was a kid. Around 8 years ago

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it has an msi motherboard

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graphics card and all the shabang

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could i just take out the cpu and the graphics card and upgrade it

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 12:02 PM

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You could slap new GPU and add more memory in there but im sure CPU upgrade paths are pretty weak

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Also its good to check how scuffed PSU it has if you are planning to slap powerful GPU in there

terse remnant Jun 14, 2020, 12:03 PM

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i remember it was some bad $80 cpu from amd

glossy pecan Jun 14, 2020, 12:23 PM

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@terse remnant nah man i think if you want to get a better cpu you would need to get a newer motherboard, However as unlucky said you could upgrade the ram and get a better gpu and that should improve your performence by quite a bit.

sick reef Jun 14, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Don't upgrade the ram on an old CPU and expect improvements.

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Unless you're running 1200MHz.

glossy pecan Jun 14, 2020, 12:25 PM

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oh good point

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the cpu acts as a bottleneck

terse remnant Jun 14, 2020, 12:26 PM

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so upgrade the cpu

glossy pecan Jun 14, 2020, 12:26 PM

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well you cant really unless you get a better motherboard

terse remnant Jun 14, 2020, 12:27 PM

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whats a good value for money motherboard

sick reef Jun 14, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Most brand boards above lowest grade.

terse remnant Jun 14, 2020, 12:28 PM

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if the motherboard is from 2012 can i still use it

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or no

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or is it not compatible with new cpus

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can someone who doesnt work for msi answer

glossy pecan Jun 14, 2020, 12:30 PM

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no i dont think it would be

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haha

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though if you upgrade your GPU thats better then nothing

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plus if you get a new pc you could probably just transfer it over

sick reef Jun 14, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Most motherboards are only compatible with their own generation of CPU's. One exception is AM4, which requires you to know if you can or can not use the CPU you want to use in it.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 2:05 PM

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If its an AMD motherboard from 8 years ago, that's a dead platform; and also far inferior from their current CPU offerings

#

So I would recommend looking into Ryzen, that's AMD's current CPU brand. They're gonna be releasing a new generation this Fall, and their current generation product is pretty solid too. Quite affordable actually

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:43 PM

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@vapid crypt Best Buy doesn't have the 10700k available for pickup anymore.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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That's unfortunate

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:46 PM

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They have a 10700 though, but isn't that vastly inferior to the 10700k?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I mean, sure

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Actually in terms of single thread it might even be inferior to your 8700K

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 PM

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So I shouldn't get it?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 PM

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No

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I could try Amazon, but I'd probably be overpaying for it due to the price gouging.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Its a paper launch, if you want to get it soon you have to get it when its actually in stock right away

#

There's no room for waiting on it

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Are all current AIOs compatible with the new socket type for the Z490?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Yeah I don't think the mounting hardware is all that different from 1151

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Isn't Z490 not LGA1151 anymore?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Its 1200

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Should still be compatible, 12 gen is gonna change sockets too

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Is the cooler you recommended I buy compatible with it?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yeah like I said the mounting hardware really shouldn't be any different between the 2 sockets

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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10700k on Amazon is slightly price gouged.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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549 isn't slightly

#

That is literally more than what the 10900K should cost

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Best Buy was $409.

#

So where do I go from here?

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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You maybe able to order from a Microcenter if one is near you.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I mean other than overpaying for one, there really isn't anything you can do other than buying the stuff that isn't sold out and price gouged

#

Like better RAM, new cooler and so on

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 4:58 PM

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DRP4 is a pretty solid CPU Cooler Ngl

#

Annoying for preinstalled MOBO, but still.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Its pretty annoying cause with Ryzen there's more CPUs than there are motherboards it seems like, and with Intel there's more motherboards than CPUs phaWesker

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I am pretty sure the DRP4 went down in price from $120~ to $99

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Is there any good white X570 boards?

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Got 1866fclk working

📎 ram_memes.png

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Oh youre the all white guy...

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Its its something like 89 - 100 accounting for Shipping or Tax

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ram temperatures holding me back, error every time dimms hit 47.5C, With fan no errors

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gotta slap something in there to keep em cool

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Oh you got em overclocked huh

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Asus X570-E at Microcenter, but:
"LIMITED AVAILABILITY. MAY NOT BE IN STOCK AT TIME OF ORDER. NO BACK ORDERS."

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I think you want to keem it below 45c

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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3733mhz c14-15-14-34

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1.5V

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Yikes phaWesker

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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With delta fan dimm temps dropped instantly to low 30's

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ReversedConfusedUlf

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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No wonder its running so hot maybe you should loosen the timings and lower the voltage

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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1.5V is fine for b-die, just gotta cool them for stability lol

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I guess, its just if its running so hot to where it isn't stable without slapping a fan over it that's just a pain in the ass

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i got 16 fans whats one more going to do right

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I hear some CPU Coolers also doubles down as a heat sink for RAM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yea airflow from towerheatsink def helps

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@vapid crypt should I try ordering it despite what it says?

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:05 PM

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dont have one so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I mean either you get it or you don't so phaSheva

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Hit or miss but I guess they never miss..

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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My other choice is the Asus Z390-F board that can be shipped since I don't feel like driving to the nearest Microcenter to my house that is in a virus epicenter.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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See if they have a Crosshair VIII Hero

jade ermine Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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@vapid crypt im too invested to my meme cooling system so it's too late to downgrade to normie cpu cooler

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hahah

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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What is normal retail price of Crosshair VIII?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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349 when I last saw it on Newegg

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Hero or Formula?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Hero

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Formula is that Mini-DTX board I think

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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$1235 on Amazon, awesome.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Oh no nevermind I'm thinking of a different board

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Sounds pretty cheap

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Well I thought you were gonna check Microcenter

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Going to check it now.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Its for in store pick up

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Pickup only.

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Is it cheaper though?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Yeah its out of stock anyway

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I just checked, Madison Heights right?

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 PM

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And no back ordering?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Can X470 boards be used with 3000 Ryzen series?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:10 PM

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They can, but the thing is

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The manufacture has to have updated the Bios to do so

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So if you go to a store an the box has a Ryzen 3000 ready sticker on it

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Then its good to go

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Is updating the Bios difficult?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Alternatively if the motherboard has a Bios flashback feature you could flash the bios without needing a compatible cpu

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Flashing a bios isn't difficult though. If my dumbass can do it. You def can.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:12 PM

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So if you're looking for X470 or B450 boards, look for the feature. Or get a MSI "Max" branded board

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Cause they have an updated Bios, bigger bios chip too

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Sold out on Amazon

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And very gouged

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Like almost $300 iirc

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 PM

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And I had to change PSU as well.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Its a $115 board PirateSimon

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I know

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 PM

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How is Corsair's AX series?

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 PM

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But people are gouging it lol

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I wonder how many people actually settle for paying these exorbitant prices

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I mean, it is testing my patience.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Its also testing your wallet phaWesker

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:17 PM

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At the same time.

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Don’t pay for something overpriced because you want it if it’s a side grade or if you’re being kind of doo doo and wanting to buy it just for color even though the performance is literally the same

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Kek

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Jul

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Their sold out too

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Yeah maybe just give it a couple weeks

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And get it as soon as its available

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:20 PM

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The prices are gonna get worse

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Uh I doubt that

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Even if some asshole is charging 1000 bucks for a mobo, they can go get bent

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:21 PM

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How is the Z390-F board from Asus? Can it handle a 9900k if I go that route?

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Is the Aorus Elite still available?

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Cause that one's better going by buildzoid

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:22 PM

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No.

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I've heard the 9700k is just as good as 9900k and 100 or so bucks cheaper

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Sure, the thing is

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He has an 8700K, a 9700K would merely be a side grade

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And the Aorus Elite is available

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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And you can’t really make him not think of upgrading otherwise

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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So what do you mean?

stark plover Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Anyone know of a good headset/ mic combo wombo for like $50 or less lol

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Aorus Elite out of stock on my screen.

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I've seen 9700k and 9900k giving the exact same performance in a lot of games and the 9700k giveing better performance in some...

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Just my thoughts

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Where is out of stock?

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:24 PM

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On Newegg.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Its in stock on Amazon

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6 left

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Oh uh

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Z490.

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:25 PM

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How much better is the z490 from the z390?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Z490 for 10th gen

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Well its a different socket for 10th gen so

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Z490 is only compatible with paper thin stock of 10th gen processors.

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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PAPER LAUNCH phaWesker

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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So they're the same thing besides the cpu they suypport?

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Well just know that literally any upgrade from your 8700K to the next Intel CPU, it’s the same manufacture, same exact speed would make no difference in performance, two more cores do nothing for you overall

abstract kite Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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As a paperweight

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Just don’t even get Intel at this point

vapid crypt Jun 14, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Uh well actually they also support PCIe Gen4 allegedly, though it needs a compatible CPU... 10th gen isn't compatible but apparently 11th gen will be?

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its a mess

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I have an old xeon cpu... It's a pos

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I keep forgetting what the hell Xeon is

torn ferry Jun 14, 2020, 5:27 PM

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How is the Asus Z390-F board though since that one is in stock at Microcenter.

river thistle Jun 14, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Intell server proccesor

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It sucks

fleet canopy Jun 14, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Kek