I think he's trying to ship everything through microcenter cause he wants to get everything through one retailer 
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
They're not scummy with specs though, eh?
vapid crypt
And they are very selective with what they will ship evidently
sharp obsidian
friend had 3 in a row and they literally didnt screw in the cooler fully in the first one, the second one had unseated ram that shorted and the 3rd had some rando chineese power supply that conked out after a week
vapid crypt
Well maybe more like fuck Ibuypower
sharp obsidian
you right
fleet canopy
Just get it off Amazon and Newegg
vapid crypt
And Cyberpower
sharp obsidian
cyberpower is ass ibuypower is ass
vapid crypt
Also Walmart 
fleet canopy
More like fuck any place that overprices prebuilt and shits on PSU or RAM
late sorrel
also omen
fleet canopy
lol walmart
sharp obsidian
Puget is pretty great but WAY overpriced and they focus on workstations
fleet canopy
Just buy individual parts if you really really need something Walmart has
vapid crypt
I've never really bought a pc from these boutique places so
sharp obsidian
my 970 rig i mentioned earlier is from digital storm and they were good quailty and prices but that was before i was into building etc
Just buy individual parts if you really really need something Walmart has
@fleet canopy
that
fax
if you see a rig you like and don't wanna do any thinking for yourself i can GUARUNTEE that you can get it cheaper on amazon/newegg via parts
also then you have 100% control of the system/cable management etc
also also then you get the satisfaction of building your own thing
fleet canopy
I might go all out on a build next time, or just reuse my 2070 Super and Dark Rock Pro 4, along with a 1440p 144hz ofc
sharp obsidian
honestly i'm running a 24" 144hz 1080 monitor and i'm happy with it
fleet canopy
Just not too sure, by just reusing my GPU and CPU cooler, I only need to spend like
1200$
Other one on the other hand is like 2000-2500$ kek
vapid crypt
I've been wanting to upgrade my cooling, but I don't want to go beyond the cost of a high-end air cooler so I gotta get a new case to accommodate the clearance unfortunately
sharp obsidian
im also currently using a laptop (oof i know but it's the blade 15 advanced 2019 and i got it as part of college tuition sooooooooo)
fleet canopy
kek
sharp obsidian
@vapid crypt what kind of problems are you having with cooling?
vapid crypt
Nah no problems, I just want a high-end air cooler for whenever I get around to upgrading the cpu
fleet canopy
I assume case is smol
sharp obsidian
also @fleet canopy it's got a 2070MaxQ and an i7 9750H so it's not BAD by any means
sharp obsidian
yeah and optimus is better now so on "power saver" mode i get like 9-10 hours
torn ferry
Only Microcenter has the motherboard and case I need for the build.
sharp obsidian
well it came with only 512GB but i ripped the back off and threw a 2TB m.2 in there just cause
fleet canopy
kek
sharp obsidian
@torn ferry i can guaruntee you that's incorrect
and if it is the case then wait 5 minutes
eternal cairn
Cyberpower isn't bad.
fleet canopy
Microcenter is literally full of goodies
torn ferry
That isn't price gouged or out of stock.
sharp obsidian
you right but also $$$$
fleet canopy
Unless of course, virus makes it slow and quite a while to deliver
eternal cairn
I bought a prebuilt from them on sale and it would have cost me like $50+ more if I bought the same parts to build the PC myself.
sharp obsidian
if nothing else that'll drive the prices of the old stuff down
torn ferry
I'll just keep the core parts I have as recommended and buy new everything else.
abstract kite
Microcenter is nice until they lie to you about what they have and you drive 2 hours to their store under the impression they have what you need. 
Other than that, they have good deals.
sharp obsidian
@eternal cairn yeah but from what i've seen/heard the quality is hit or miss
fleet canopy
Guaranteed, if you only weren't going for white, they would still have a great X570 around
sharp obsidian
@torn ferry STUFF WILL BE IN STOCK LATER JUST BE PATIENT
eternal cairn
Does Microcenter have non-pickup options?
fleet canopy
No.
vapid crypt
Amazing, now look somewhere else 
sharp obsidian
reeeee
fleet canopy
:(
abstract kite
@eternal cairn Barely anything non pickup
sharp obsidian
calm is a myth
torn ferry
I am incapable of being patient. XD
eternal cairn
I thought so.
fleet canopy
Not patient then
sharp obsidian
then you're wasting your money and I don't feel bad for you
torn ferry
Sounds good.
abstract kite
@torn ferry You will suffer from buyers remorse if you purchase now. Please trust us.
Wait just a little longer. It's not that long.
vapid crypt
Uh well that's only if you decided to buy the graphics card tbh
eternal cairn
Every time I see a deal posted on r/buildapcsales with a link to Microcenter's website, I cry. 😢
fleet canopy
Should be easy!
abstract kite
I've held out long for RTX 3000, and my patience is about to pay off
sharp obsidian
as someone who built that 970 rig i mentioned RIGHT BEFORE THE LAUNCH OF THE 10 series cards, you WILL have buyers remorse
eternal cairn
Same, Bearz.
sharp obsidian
exactly
sharp obsidian
i wait until the new stuff is at least 30% better before even considering upgrading
torn ferry
Why can't I just salvage the graphics and processor of the PC I have now and add it to the build? What is wrong with that?
sharp obsidian
ok what are you doing here
sharp obsidian
are you upgrading or just moving your old parts to a new build...........
fleet canopy
Their sockets are different
eternal cairn
^
sharp obsidian
well then duh you can't use an intel cpu
eternal cairn
If you have an Intel processor, then you'll definitely have to get a new motherboard if you're going for an AMD processor.
(And some watercooling.)
fleet canopy
Any upgrade really needs a new motherboard unless it's Ryzen
In that case, all of Ryzen is AM4
torn ferry
What if I just stick with Intel?
sharp obsidian
honestly the new AMD chips are pretty good on heat
fleet canopy
Mm yes
sharp obsidian
DONT
sharp obsidian
why would you stick with intel RN
fleet canopy
Just ehh, don't really like their 14nm thing
vapid crypt
Oh they're fine on heat, though stock voltage settings seem to be a bit high
eternal cairn
I moved away from Intel solely based on the lack of cores/threads.
abstract kite
@torn ferry I'm a little late to the party, so can you fill me in on what CPU you're running right now?
vapid crypt
So that lends to some weird thermal issues
sharp obsidian
if you wanna upgrade rn you wanna go to amd, intel is still way overexpensive has fewer cores and is slowly losing in single thread too
torn ferry
8700k, and I was thinking of salvaging it and buying a Z390 board for it.
vapid crypt
Sean
sharp obsidian
why would you salvage the weakest part of your system
fleet canopy
I still have a really top tier from 2015 and I have assumptions that is causing my whole PC to lag like a motherfucker whenever I open up File explorer or Task Manager
sharp obsidian
what is your goal with this build
fleet canopy
CPU
abstract kite
8700K isn't a bad processor, but you will notice performance degradation in the coming years with more games and applications taking advantage of more cores.
You could salvage it, but it wouldn't be optimal.
vapid crypt
Uh, RGB puke coupled with a White theme is the goal
eternal cairn
Sell it.
sharp obsidian
well he also has a 2080 so the CPU is the bottleneck
eternal cairn
RGB Barf.
vapid crypt
How is a 8700K the bottleneck?
fleet canopy
Why would there be a bottleneck
sharp obsidian
not saying it's a big bottleneck
fleet canopy
The only real bottleneck is his patience
sharp obsidian
just saying that if you HAD to pick one to upgrade RIGHT THIS SECOND
eternal cairn
8700k isn't that bad.
abstract kite
The 8700K will not bottleneck the 2080 as it is about as good as it gets for gaming CPU's with just the 9700K/9900K fractions above and even that can be brought closer with overclocking.
sharp obsidian
it should prolly be the cpu
what i'm saying is that as far as overall performance goes
if you're going to upgrade either a 8700k or a 2080 then you'll get more use out of upgrading the CPU
eternal cairn
Get a 3900x.
sharp obsidian
cause 2080 will handle pretty much anything you throw at it
fleet canopy
Not really
sharp obsidian
i mean
vapid crypt
The RAM could certainly use upgrading seeing as ibuypower shafted him with slow DDR4
sharp obsidian
better yes but he could also get an octa core from amd
and yes i figured upgrading the ram was a given in this hypothetical
fleet canopy
Honestly FPS doesn't really matter anyways if it's about CPUs and having a 1440p
Just keep it or get a Ryzen 4600
vapid crypt
With the motherboard he has now, a bios update would allow for a 9900K granted I kind of doubt it has very good VRMs...
vapid crypt
Oh I agree
vapid crypt
However if you already have a compatible motherboard
fleet canopy
But back then I guess it wasn't such a ripoff
vapid crypt
Its not so bad
sharp obsidian
if you're going to UPGRADE from an 8700k then the 9900k is not the move
the 3900x is the better option as far as value
and performance
eternal cairn
^
fleet canopy
Fuck intel pretty much if you're upgrading CPUs and going for 1440p 144hz
sharp obsidian
or just switch to ARM and run linux
abstract kite
Keep in mind that frequency is also something that games do like.
Hence why the 9900K is still pretty high on the gaming list compared to AMDs 8c 16t equivalents at a lower clock speed. AMD has the advantage when it comes to computational work for the price to performance in that category.
Until AMD can refine 7nm to handle higher clocks without getting toasty, the 9900K (and now 10900K) are still high tier gaming chips.
This is coming from a 3700X owner.
vapid crypt
Well that's the thing
eternal cairn
The difference in loading times based on frequency is marginal.
vapid crypt
Higher clocks won't really do much for Ryzen
sharp obsidian
you right that they're high tier gaming chips
vapid crypt
We already know this, someone tested a 3800X at 5ghz
fleet canopy
The difference is only a few FPS which honestly doesn't matter
vapid crypt
It doesn't help it
abstract kite
@vapid crypt That interesting actually.
vapid crypt
What Ryzen needs is tighter latency between CCXs
sharp obsidian
but at that "level" of overall performance either the 9900k or the 3900x will handle your games just fine
vapid crypt
So speeding up that infinity fabric is part of it
sharp obsidian
but the 3900x will ALSO help a hell of a lot with multitasking and productivity
abstract kite
@sharp obsidian I do agree. Realistically you won't notice a difference between either.
sharp obsidian
exactly
unless you're deciding to do renders with CPU because you hate yourself lol
abstract kite
I'm waiting for 4000 to drop so I can either go to a 4900X or a 3950X if they're discounted.
eternal cairn
3900x is also great for rendering video footage.
sharp obsidian
was the 3900x the one that can run crysis on JUST THE CPU
fleet canopy
Any high end CPU from AMD is great
vapid crypt
Um Hardware Unboxed did a CPU benchmark between the 3700X and the 10600K using "competitive" settings in various titles
fleet canopy
Even the 2990X is probably very good, but comparing to Zen 2, it's not too much special
sharp obsidian
nah im talking they ran crysis on the amd chip AS THOUGH IT WAS THE GPU
just cause it has so many damn cores
vapid crypt
And the difference was what like 8% at 1080p with the 2080ti
fleet canopy
Honestly why isn't Ryzen 4000 called Zen 4?
sharp obsidian
actually i think im thinking of one of the crazy epic chips
fleet canopy
Which is why I probably would just invest into 1080p 144hz myself
abstract kite
I'm not moving off 1080p for a while
sharp obsidian
yeah that one
fleet canopy
Epic or Epyc?
vapid crypt
I don't remember if they tested it on Epyc, but I think the clock speeds would be too low
fleet canopy
I still however would like to get 1440p lol. Just was really kind of like thinking about 1080p 144hz because I legit have never seen a single frame above 60FPS
abstract kite
You will get a bit sick at first
vapid crypt
75hz gang 
fleet canopy
:)))
sharp obsidian
nah 144 is god tier
sharp obsidian
i get sick going back to 60 from 144
fleet canopy
smh not a gamer then
sharp obsidian
the panel that's built into my laptop runs at 1080p 240hz soooooooo
vapid crypt
Thinking about 144 seems like a really strange number, it isn't a multiple of 30
sharp obsidian
you right
fleet canopy
What then
vapid crypt
Why not 150?
fleet canopy
You want me to get 180hZ? lmfao
abstract kite
144hz felt like a huge jump for me. Got a headache for a bit until I got used to it. Now it feels like my new normal, I use it for all of my gaming stuff while I use my old 60hz monitor as my secondary for all of my spreadsheet and computational shit.
sharp obsidian
exactly
abstract kite
240hz seems unnecessary as you will just start to have diminished returns at that point. You might be better 1/10th of the time, but it's not that noticeable.
fleet canopy
It's more like esports thing
fleet canopy
Something I know bearz will get cause he's a nerd like that
sharp obsidian
my school gives it to us as part of tuition
eternal cairn
60hz is still pretty optimal. Frames can only benefit you to a certain extent.
fleet canopy
Even if he says he won't get it
sharp obsidian
but they get it wholesale so its not too bad
vapid crypt
Ignorance is bliss
fleet canopy
Higher refresh rate is honestly nicer, the tear isn't like so fuuucking horrible
abstract kite
I've used 240hz for a week when I was at a friends. It was a fraction "zoomier" than 144hz to me but I never saw any improvement in terms of performance from it. It felt rather pointless for me personally.
merry bay
higher refresh rates are useful outside games too. You can read text during scrolling much easier
abstract kite
lmao
fleet canopy
Hapcher has something at least
torn ferry
What is wrong with me reusing an 8700k? Is it a bad processor or something?
vapid crypt
You could stay at 60hz forever and you wouldn't know the difference or even care. I suppose if you learn about it and understand it can help in competitive gaming sure, but for the average person eh. Save your money I guess? 
sharp obsidian
shawn you CANNOT reuse the intel cpu if you want to switch to ryzen
but if you wanna upgrade then why would you just reuse all your parts
vapid crypt
So basically saying if you're gonna get a new motherboard, just switch to Ryzen
sharp obsidian
thats like taking the engine from one car and putting it in the same kind of car
fleet canopy
Just buy Ryzen 4600 and X570, should be just about 250-350$
More than 250$ actuall
but yeha
sharp obsidian
it sounds like your first priority before ANYTHING else should be getting better ram
torn ferry
I'm not going to switch to Ryzen if I reuse the Intel processor, I know how that works.
abstract kite
thats like taking the engine from one car and putting it in the same kind of car
@sharp obsidian
Yea that's actually done. lol
sharp obsidian
yeah but like
fleet canopy
Like a shitty fucking engine
sharp obsidian
not for performance
fleet canopy
Or using a high end engine on a shitty car
eternal cairn
Just sell the 8700k after you upgrade to AMD.
fleet canopy
Which can't handle it that well
sharp obsidian
you don't take a hellcat engine and put it into another hellcat body with the same specs and go "look it's faster"
torn ferry
Do I have to upgrade to AMD if I only intend to do gaming?
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
So his motivation atm is just to have a cool looking pc, shed the ibuypower skin if you will
sharp obsidian
that's why i said "the same kind of car" @abstract kite
fleet canopy
Oh I get it, yeah
abstract kite
Are we talking built or stock for stock?
sharp obsidian
oh my god you don't HAVE to upgrade anything
it was an analogy assume everything is stock car hardware is more complicated than computer hardware
merry bay
prebuilts come with flaws, his goal is getting rid of those flaws and focus on gaming
sharp obsidian
you don't drill a hole in your gpu to make it go farster
fleet canopy
Kelvin ain't one of the patient people haha
eternal cairn
Supposedly, Intel is the peak for gaming, but the limitations that set AMD apart from it are extremely marginal unless you're doing some extremely competitive ESports-type tournaments or something.
sharp obsidian
wachu talkin bout foo im the one that's telling him to wait
vapid crypt
Well like I told him, at most you could get better RAM, a better cooler, and if you really want a better looking case to go with it that's fine
sharp obsidian
main focus rn should be ram
fleet canopy
It kind of seems like you're a bit impatient
abstract kite
it was an analogy assume everything is stock car hardware is more complicated than computer hardware
@sharp obsidian
Gotcha. I deal with car stuff almost on the daily so my mind went a million different ways from your initial statement 🤣
fleet canopy
Yeah
sharp obsidian
after that cooler or case (whichever) then the other one of those
then start in on gpu cpu mobo
fleet canopy
You can get like a CPU cooler, better RAM unless it's already good, more storage space, uhhh
PSU
sharp obsidian
yeah im not too much of a car guy lol
fleet canopy
Maybe
sharp obsidian
was just using an analogy
torn ferry
Solid green 2666mhz sticks is what I have now.
sharp obsidian
the ram is the biggest problem RN
fleet canopy
Imagine being a car nerd
sharp obsidian
ree
eternal cairn
Get B-Die RAM.
sharp obsidian
hot take: car guys are just the dude version of horse girls
fleet canopy
Intel ain't that demanding
sharp obsidian
yeah but like
vapid crypt
Oh it makes a difference
fleet canopy
I have DDR4-2400Mhz but it looks coooool with that black shroud 😎
sharp obsidian
2666? really?
vapid crypt
I know its more impactful on Ryzen cause of Infinity Fabric
eternal cairn
Even if Intel isn't that demanding, it'll be useful having B-Die RAM sticks when he upgrades his CPU.
vapid crypt
But 2666 is quite slow even for Intel standard
sharp obsidian
yeap
sharp obsidian
nah gotta get yourself 4000Mhz ram with ecc and all that BS
sharp obsidian
you've gotta be able to load an entire game into ram at once UNCOMPRESSED
fleet canopy
Why 4GHz lmfao
vapid crypt
Which I imagine you would if the cpu is locked
sharp obsidian
only then can you achieve max power
fleet canopy
I don't see the need for 4GHz unless Zen 3 will absolutely need that
sharp obsidian
i was making a joke lol
eternal cairn
Not really, since there's no game that ever benefits from that much RAM speed.
eternal cairn
There is a sleak improvement, but it tops off eventually the higher you go.
vapid crypt
Yeah its server ram
fleet canopy
If you ever wanted to see what my whole PC is, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n8X9Xv
fleet canopy
Me? Lol
eternal cairn
I'm still waiting on my RAM sticks to arrive in the mail.
sharp obsidian
yes you
fleet canopy
:)))
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Not bad.
eternal cairn
UPS says they should be here by "End of Day", whenever that is.
fleet canopy
Original was with a Hyper 212, and had like 1TB of HDD before plus a GTX 1060 3GB
abstract kite
@eternal cairn Could just be running really late. My last package got to the door at 8pm
fleet canopy
I picked the 1060 3GB, my brother picked everything else
eternal cairn
I saw the UPS truck drive into my neighborhood, park in front of my neighbor's house and drive off.
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Has had healthy upgrades over time.
fleet canopy
And I was 13 at the time really clueless about PCs
sharp obsidian
fair nuff
vapid crypt
Aaaaaaaaaugh I neeeeed a Medic Bag! 
eternal cairn
I still have my 1070.
abstract kite
Nazo you're gonna go for a 3070 right?
fleet canopy
I got a 1600x900p afterwards, got it free from a summer camp
eternal cairn
Probably.
vapid crypt
No leaks about the 3070 recently
fleet canopy
Mm, it felt so much better not having to crane my neck in the worst possible position for hours
eternal cairn
I'm gonna keep my 1070 as a backup for when I resell the newer GPU I get if another one is announced.
abstract kite
Everyone wants to see the 3080 so I have a feeling the cooler will be the same across the lineup.
vapid crypt
But assuming the leaks about the 3080 are true
There's a good chance the 3070 will be on the full 104 die
eternal cairn
50% improvement from 2080 is kinda meh.
fleet canopy
And it felt much faster responding than what the TV offered
abstract kite
I mean, 50% is still kind of a lot though.
vapid crypt
Hmm maybe the 3060 will be on a cutdown 104 die too
eternal cairn
I was hoping for a 70% improvement since RTX performance supposedly wasn't ground-breaking from the 1000 series.
vapid crypt
That would be pretty wicked
abstract kite
Coming from a 1070 it will be considerably impressive
fleet canopy
Honestly I should have gone for RAM instead of a better CPU cooler though but haha anything's better than Hyper 212, was looking forward to overclocking
eternal cairn
AIO or fans?
fleet canopy
Dark Rock Pro 4
abstract kite
@eternal cairn DRP4
vapid crypt
Haven't had gpus like this since Kepler, where the 660ti and 670 were both on 104
sharp obsidian
anybody tryna build a hashcat farm?
abstract kite
I fiddle with hashcat but only for practice purposes.
fleet canopy
I also had got myself a 120GB SSD from that camp, but for only being a boot with some things, filled way too quick
So I got a 1TB Samsung 860 Evo kek
eternal cairn
I still have a 970 EVO Plus that I got for free that I'll use when my current SSD croaks.
abstract kite
I'm a cybersecurity major, so yea it's for practice.
fleet canopy
Use it as a backup @eternal cairn
eternal cairn
I already have a 4 TB Seagate backup HDD.
fleet canopy
Oh yeah
eternal cairn
Now I just need to buy a 2nd 2 TB HDD to replace my current one for when it dies.
fleet canopy
Hahaha
abstract kite
Backup drives for backup drives.
sharp obsidian
i'm tryna get certified in ethical hacking but im a CS major technically lol
fleet canopy
Oh shit
I gotta get a backup drive for my backup drive for my backup drive for my backup drive
Perfect!
abstract kite
I mean your CEH is technically a part of cybersecurity.
Pen testing and shit.
sharp obsidian
but i have enough credits open that i've gamed out taking all the classes that cybersecurity majors take so realistically i'll have all the coursework for both majors while only paying for one
ye i know
im more interested in the offensive than the defensive
idk if i'll end up going for my CEH or the actual test cause that shit's expensive
but I do wanna have the skills
abstract kite
You could do internal audits. Crack your own companies passwords and check what could be improved.
eternal cairn
I should have become a psychology major.
sharp obsidian
on the regular
sharp obsidian
handing your manager their login for the customer's payment portal is always fun
abstract kite
I really want to go back to Sans whenever we don't have a pandemic across the world 😩
fleet canopy
Honestly about college and what I wanted my career to be, I fucking wanted to die when it came to like, the school trying to figure out my future n shit :)
sharp obsidian
or literally writing a script on the POS system that logs all transactions
fleet canopy
Now I wanted a career in computers, but then again I honestly have no fucking clue what I really want to be
sharp obsidian
you in college?
fleet canopy
High school
sharp obsidian
yipe
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Take your time finding a career. It'll come and you'll find interest in something.
For example I went from mechanics, to engineering, to cybersecurity.
sharp obsidian
basically find a thing that you like to do then go to school for it
or skip college entirely
i know a kid who graduated high school making $62k/year
fleet canopy
lol imagine skipping college
sharp obsidian
he went into telco pulling cables
eternal cairn
Roughly 33% of 4-year college students don't graduate.
sharp obsidian
the guy lives on his own with no debt and personally makes over 60k/year NET, so i'd say he's doing aight
fleet canopy
Wild
sharp obsidian
also that statistic depends on the college and the major etc
basically what im saying is dont go to college because you feel like you have to
pick a career then go into it, if that means going to college then great, otherwise no need no debt etc
eternal cairn
Don't take gap years.
sharp obsidian
yeah that's a fact
abstract kite
Don't take gap years.
@eternal cairn
Yea don't be me
fleet canopy
Haha
eternal cairn
😆
sharp obsidian
all a gap year does is kill motivation and rack up stress while losing you opportunities
abstract kite
that's.. not entirely true. I learned a lot of life experience during the time i was out of school.
eternal cairn
Anyway, getting back to #pc-build-help-and-tech-talk, my RAM sticks are 2x16GB, 3200 MHz, and 16-18-18-38.
fleet canopy
Like not taking gap years!
sharp obsidian
although imma be real if i can't go back to campus for fall semester cause of covid then imma say screw it and take a gap year cause HELL no i'm not going to pay 50k for a few video lectures and half-assed homework
eternal cairn
I feel like I got a good deal on it since it was only $110.
abstract kite
That's not bad at all Nazo
eternal cairn
It's alright.
abstract kite
You can easily get those timings tightened up with higher speeds too
fleet canopy
For 16-19-19-39, it's like 85$ kek
abstract kite
I'm 3600mhz 16-19-19-39
eternal cairn
Now I'm more tempted to keep my current RAM sticks so I'll have 48 GB of RAM. 🤤
fleet canopy
I might get 3600MHz CAS16 2x16GB perhaps, or stick with 16GB lul
vapid crypt
My kit is 2x8 3000 15-16-16-36 or something like that, at least that's what the advertised speed was
abstract kite
I've noticed 32GBs to be pretty useful tbh
vapid crypt
XMP doesn't work out like that on my motherboard though, not that it matters
eternal cairn
Just think of the number of simultaneous Chrome tabs you can have open, @fleet canopy.
eternal cairn
You're welcome.
fleet canopy
You KNOW I'd loooove to be able to open a 2nd chrome tab
vapid crypt
I was able to OC to 3200 with 14-17-17-34
fleet canopy
But god I gonna cut costs sometimes
eternal cairn
Same. Speed doesn't matter (unless speed < 3,000 MHz), but memory... 🤤
16 GB doesn't cut it for me. I need more for After Effects and Chrome.
eternal cairn
Plus I wanna be able to play a game while simultaneously rendering footage in AE.
fleet canopy
Doing me a heccin confuse
vapid crypt
Discord servers being shit
fleet canopy
ye
eternal cairn
Discord's lagging?
fleet canopy
Yeha
vapid crypt
I was having some of my messages take like 10 seconds to send earlier
eternal cairn
Hmm...
torn ferry
So what should I be doing?
fleet canopy
Waiting.
Or buy some DDR4-3600MHz CAS16 RAM, more storage if you need it, PSU if you need it unless it's 750W or more, uhh
Yeah
torn ferry
What if I don't want to though and am insistent on getting new parts now except for processor and GPU?
vapid crypt
I mean that covered everything, except maybe the cooler
torn ferry
My cooler right now is a 120mm rebranded Asetek AIO.
vapid crypt
A cheap 120 rad aio would perform no better than maybe some of the high-end air coolers
Um I say some deliberately cause a lot of them are really good
torn ferry
What are the advantages of air coolers besides being inexpensive?
vapid crypt
The advantage is easier maintenance
abstract kite
vapid crypt
And you can use it forever as long as mounting hardware is available for newer sockets
eternal cairn
Liquid cooling is more effective though.
torn ferry
I wanted the Corsair A500 but people say it's trash for an air cooler.
eternal cairn
The 240mm radiator I bought from Amazon brought my 3900x temp down by at least 10 degrees compared to the stock cooler it came with.
vapid crypt
One downside to big air coolers is space
abstract kite
@eternal cairn After a certain point. Good air coolers like the DRP4 and the NH-D15 will fetch you around the same temps of a 240mm AIO
Anything that requires more than that, yea an AIO will be better.
vapid crypt
You have to account for how tall they are and if they could get in the way of your RAM
torn ferry
I need a white 360mm AIO.
fleet canopy
Haha
eternal cairn
Besides, it's on the inside.
vapid crypt
I mean you could just paint the edges, leave the fins alone and you wouldn't be able to tell with the fans running
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Or who cares, get those sleeves and leave it at that
eternal cairn
White tends to be more expensive anyway, and it limits your options.
At least with AIOs I've been looking at.
fleet canopy
Yeah
Going with a white build, it makes it easily overpriced
Going for black, it's easily only 1800 if you include my 2070 Super and DRP4 or 1300$ for what I need to upgrade
fleet canopy
If I wanted that, I'd go for a non side panel PC
vapid crypt
Ah but it defeats the purpose of having a black theme
vapid crypt
And of course it would have a side panel. its just if its glass or not
eternal cairn
@torn ferry Seriously though, don't sacrifice $$$ or performance for color.
Especially if you're on a limited budget.
torn ferry
I'm not on a limited budget though?
torn ferry
"A lot" is a very subjective term.
eternal cairn
What's your budget?
torn ferry
No more than $3500.
eternal cairn
What's your preferred spending amount?
torn ferry
What do you mean by that?
late sorrel
Anything wrong?
fleet canopy
Lovely
late sorrel
just TWO FUCKING BENT PINS
fleet canopy
Unbend
eternal cairn
You said $3500 is the maximum you're willing to spend, so what is the preferred amount you want to spend or do you not care?
😬
late sorrel
please kill me
fleet canopy
One in the bottom left corner
It's not too hard to unbend if you watch a video at least
late sorrel
I know but still pissed
fleet canopy
Yeah
eternal cairn
I swapped out my CPU recently, I forgot which one had pins and which one didn't.
fleet canopy
AMD is pins, Intel is the flat pad thing
eternal cairn
I still need to sell my 6700k.
fleet canopy
Honestly either way
It seems so easy to fuck up with CPUs
Touch the pad? You're fucked
But then again
So is Intel motherboard pins
eternal cairn
I mean, as long as you're not careful, then yeah, it's pretty easy to fuck up.
late sorrel
I don’t need to worry about returning my mobo
And we’re back babies
Two unbend pins we are gaming
fleet canopy
:)))
late sorrel
Got thermal paste on me fingers tho
eternal cairn
Fun stuff.
torn ferry
Is silver close enough to white or not really?
eternal cairn
Depends on the tone.
torn ferry
eternal cairn
That would look great with a white build.
I'd say it's pretty light enough/close to white.
vapid crypt
Better deal
That coolermaster AIO is silver, and it looks like it uses one of those 3 fans in one kind of things, so if one of those fans fail you'll have to replace it entirely
Unless I'm mistaken
torn ferry
I'm going to replace the fans anyways with Corsair ones.
late sorrel
Ok so shoot me now
Now, my cpu light doesn’t light up & is fine
but my ram light is on
vapid crypt
No problem boss
late sorrel
so my fucking ram is dead?
vapid crypt
late sorrel
and I’ve done the gubbins of changing it out and all
Both are fucking dead
So now I’m worried it’s the socket
vapid crypt
For the RAM?
vapid crypt
One of the posts mentions bent pins on the cpu
vapid crypt
Maybe its not entirely straight and contacting the socket properly
late sorrel
Nope, just missing a cpu pin
fleet canopy
f
torn ferry
Are the threadripper processors more intended for workstation use?
vapid crypt
Must be an important pin that handled the RAM
late sorrel
yeah
vapid crypt
And you could say that, they're workhorse CPUs. They could do it all, but if you're mainly concerned with gaming its overpaying for something you wouldn't fully utilize
torn ferry
Ah.
The only AMD motherboard for X570 at Microcenter that can be shipped is the MSI X570 Godlike, which is an EATX motherboard for $710.
vapid crypt
Yeah don't bother upgrading that now then
torn ferry
Other than that, it's B450 and Threadripper boards.
proper wren
late sorrel
alright
so the pin is fucking gone now
so rip processor
time to add it to my list
vapid crypt
What was it?
late sorrel
what should I get to replace a 2600
vapid crypt
Is your Bios updated?
vapid crypt
Then if you can just get a 3700X
late sorrel
pog
vapid crypt
This is kind of an emergency, maybe you could get a replacement from AMD?
It would be a lot more waiting than just ordering a new part
late sorrel
I'm just gunna order a new part I think
I am big poor though so oof
Also, I don't think they'd let me get a replacement
vapid crypt
You wouldn't know if you don't try
late sorrel
what, just yeet them an email
alright bet
they do explicitally say that broke pin voids warranty
vapid crypt
Does it say that?
late sorrel
Yes
vapid crypt
That's pretty lame considering it could easily happen by accident
strong whale
🤢
vapid crypt
Well if its rough on the wallet atm, the 3600 is sub $170 last I checked
eternal cairn
Don't cheap out on the CPU.
fleet canopy
He obviously won't
He's just gonna get an FX-8350
Big number must mean big performance 😩😩😩
late sorrel
facts
eternal cairn
🤪
eternal cairn
You should get a 3900x.
eternal cairn
Not if there are no new processors coming out.
eternal cairn
Ah, RIP.
fleet canopy
Just trying to budget stuff
eternal cairn
You could always ||nah, I'm not giving away my secrets||.
strong whale
3600 is an incredible price - performance chip imo
fleet canopy
You could always steal a 3900X
eternal cairn
||How did you know my secret||? 👀
fleet canopy
||Pfft, as if it were a secret||
strong whale
We could raid Area 51 and steal the 3999x prototype
eternal cairn
Nah, you gotta steal from Best Buy or Walmart.
strong whale
Time traveler: Wait you you guys don't have nothing but APU's yet?
eternal cairn
LUL APUs.
strong whale
covid-19 post apocalyptic tech world
strong whale
i feel like at some point APU's will become more common for actually building pc's, only in different forms
once they become powerful enough that is
fleet canopy
Maybe, but then again
strong whale
i mean, look at the upcoming 4700g from AMD
fleet canopy
A big ol GPU looks neato
eternal cairn
My fucking RAM sticks didn't get here. It's 8pm and UPS said it was going to be here by "end of day".
Time for plan B.
strong whale
they caught covid on the way
eternal cairn
Tell Newegg the package got lost in transit.
fleet canopy
RAM stick got sick
late sorrel
yeah I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place
eternal cairn
And then have them ship another set.
strong whale
the sticks caught a virus
eternal cairn
And then both sets of sticks get here.
late sorrel
I don't have the cash to really get anything better than a 3600, even if I wanted to
Can't get a job until the government offices open for reasons™️
late sorrel
127
that would be worth it actually
I could probably do that
I would still rather have the 3600 but 50 bucks is a lto
fleet canopy
eternal cairn
Ew, Microcenter.
vapid crypt
Same price as the 3300x
Though tbh that thing is a paper launch
If you could find one count your lucky stars
vapid crypt
Yeah the 3300X it doesn't even have a definite release date, retailers are all over the place with dates of release for it
merry bay
Once found you have another luck barrier about its price 
strong whale
isn't it technically already released
vapid crypt
Yeah it is, but the stock just isn't there
strong whale
covid helps none
fleet canopy
^^ to el
late sorrel
so I'm back to being stuck between a rock and a hard place
fleet canopy
Not even an upgrade tho lmfao
late sorrel
Nah, out of stock :(
strong whale
even then the moment it comes in stock the no life page refreshers waiting to buy it...
fleet canopy
f
vapid crypt
2600 is familiar 
fleet canopy
Hey now
eternal cairn
That's how I feel about the bots stealing the monitor I want, Voxel.
fleet canopy
If your 2600 works perfectly fine, no need to upgrade 
eternal cairn
And then reselling it for twice as much on Amazon.
strong whale
4k 240hz HDR+ 32"?
late sorrel
hush mayo
strong whale
oh lul
eternal cairn
1080p 144hz.
eternal cairn
I already have 4k.
strong whale
amazon has been a warzone for monitor pricing
strong whale
you always have to look elsewhere to see if the price is even what it should be, atleast when i was trying to buy my viewsonic
oh yeah i've seen that monitor, was actually one of my original choices when i was initially upgrading
vapid crypt
The one I want will allegedly restock July 10th... though looking again there is a used option
strong whale
IPS and bezeless is just 
fleet canopy
"Frameless"
Unless they mean like the black bars on the side of a monitor just like my 2560x1440p
strong whale
wait i had it spelled right the first time lmao
vapid crypt
Its marketing
fleet canopy
Lmfao
vapid crypt
eternal cairn
I figured it's time to upgrade to a better gaming monitor.
1080p 60hz just isn't doing it for me.
fleet canopy
lol
fleet canopy
4k60fps is all you can manage anyways
eternal cairn
I mean, I'll still play Destiny 1 at 30 fps, but I can't play PC games at 60 fps.
fleet canopy
Until the RTX 3080/Ti/90 comes out I guess
strong whale
what i really mean by 60hz gaming (not 60fps), is crappy 1080p monitors with ghost framing and 10ms response
eternal cairn
Oof.
vapid crypt
So a TV from 15 years ago
eternal cairn
Mine's 2ms.
strong whale
spec rated 15ms?
fleet canopy
Lemme check
vapid crypt
Actually that would probably be worse than 10ms response time
fleet canopy
Actually the lowest it can go is 4ms
If you turn on "gaming" mode or
"Game mode"
whatever the fuck it's called
Not bad tho
eternal cairn
Mine has the same thing.
"Game mode".
Except all it does is make the colors all weird and vibrant.
strong whale
monitors always technically have a slower response time than what they show because there is the refresh rate and screen fidelity
vapid crypt
Mine claims 1ms, but its BS you gotta turn on this setting called VBR or something
fleet canopy
1440p, 60Hz, IPS, 24", 4ms
vapid crypt
Probably closer to 4ms
eternal cairn
Variable bitrate?
vapid crypt
Visual Boost Response I think
strong whale
1ms in most cases actually is 3-5ms, 10ms i think is usually 15-18?
eternal cairn
I think that's Visual Response Boost.
vapid crypt
Oh yes that is correct VRB
strong whale
similar to vsync
eternal cairn
V-Sync removes frames?
vapid crypt
I don't know what it actually does, it just claims to make the response time 1ms when it enabled. Turns off Freesync as a result too
fleet canopy
Ok so there's GAMER 1, 2, 3, some more
strong whale
the input delay is there to prevent frames from mashing together due to excess frames higher than your refresh rate
hence the screen tearing effect
strong whale
G A M E R
eternal cairn
Gaymer. 
eternal cairn
@fleet canopymer 1.
strong whale
I turned my monitor into a cringe ass nae nae baby!
fleet canopy
Hahaha
eternal cairn
Is it weird that I still have the plastic wrap on the sides of my monitors?
And the stands?
eternal cairn
Nah, I'd rather retain a higher chance of reselling it without scratch marks.
strong whale
:(
eternal cairn
How does one actually calibrate a monitor correctly though? 🤔
fleet canopy
Then changed the settings to have lowest latency, lowest response time
It's a pain on my arm though
Monitor has settings on itself
Ok maybe it's just too bright holy shit
Or maybe not
eternal cairn
It's been sitting at the post office for nearly 12 hours.
fleet canopy
:(
eternal cairn
The UPS has failed me.
fleet canopy
:(((
eternal cairn
Damn, they fucked me over.
fleet canopy
:((((((
Oh yeah it is too bright
The top bar looks pretty stupid
Ok
I mean, whoever said having 144hz or whatever was better for scrolling, they're not goddamn wrong
Scrolling literally gets me ghosting and it's so easy to see
eternal cairn
That's why I want a G-Sync (compatible) monitor.
fleet canopy
I don't think g-sync is your issue
eternal cairn
For me, it's an issue of screen-tearing.
strong whale
gsync is designed for games
eternal cairn
Scrolling leads to screen tearing for me, but I've never had any ghosting issues with scrolling.
strong whale
screen fidelity plays a huge role in ghosting
eternal cairn
It's visually distracting to me and a tad bit disorienting.
fleet canopy
Changing monitor settings to probably what should be able to handle it causes it to have such a heavy ghosting
It's nearly impossible to see any ghosting on base settings
jade ermine
new heatsink leak about ampere cards
merry bay
surprising amount of empty space. guess it's filled up with other parts and plastic
brisk badger
I do think that companies like nvidia leak it by purpose (or allow leaking by 3rd party people). The hype leaks can generate is massive. I sometimes don't understand companies keeping their mouth shut till release day
jade ermine
igors lab reported that nvidia has launched some sort of investigation about these leaks wich would confirm they are pretty legit
buuut i dont own 🔮
sick reef
You generate hype, you pay the price. Be it for good or bad.
eternal cairn
🤤 Leaks.
sick reef
When leaks give tangible testing numbers, and not just raw data, then you're getting interesting.
eternal cairn
I really hope the 3000 series is a subliminal improvement over the 2000 series.
clear quartz
it will be an improvement over 1000 series that's for sure
eternal cairn
That won't be enough to convince me to buy into it though.
eternal cairn
Hopefully it's actual competition.
sick reef
If you want to be convinced then wait until release, and see what performance it shows.
abstract kite
if RDNA 2 will have ray tracing on par with nvidia and will cost less.. im going for amd
clear quartz
what they had on their advertisement was hardware based ray tracing
so we gotta wait until we see them benchmarks
abstract kite
vapid crypt
We just don't know, regardless something that's a little bit worrying against Radeon is not having an equivalent to DLSS. Though I guess supposedly DX12 Ultimate or whatever its called has something similar that should work with their hardware
clear quartz
yeah, Microsoft has DirectML which is an alternative to DLSS
but I'm also interested in seeing more Vulkan API
brisk badger
Vulkan is great
brisk badger
Hopefully more and more new games will. DirectX is propetiary so it sucks regardless how good it is
torn ferry
Are the photos of a hexagonal or octagonal box of an i9-9900k, is that actually how it is packaged and looks?
late sorrel
dead cpu collection
i3 730
i5 2500k
R5 2600
torn ferry
No?
brisk badger
Hail the 2500k
torn ferry
I am a worthless human being who only asks meaningless and dumb questions the entire lifetime of my pathetic existence.
torn ferry
Isn't the 9900k a waste of money though?
brisk badger
Idk the price but its not really worth it
brisk badger
Intel CPUs still can do more work (instruction) per cycle but maybe thats 10% faster than AMD
torn ferry
I intend to only do gaming and streaming on a computer.
brisk badger
Personally i wouldbt care fot the 10% slower speed. Also your gpu cannot limit in tgis case which it often is
Often ypu dont notice the 10% difference bcoz ur gpu is limiting
What i wanted to say
Amd probably is a lot cheaper
vapid crypt
It would only be worth it if it was sub $400 imo
torn ferry
The X series?
vapid crypt
Yeah Extreme series is the closest, though in terms of thread count; threadripper already rivals dual socket Xeon set ups
While being what less than half the price?
torn ferry
Is the i5-9600k a downgrade from the 8700k?
torn ferry
What is a KF processor?
jade ermine
KFC edition
vapid crypt
K means unlocked for overclocking F means it has no onboard video
Or rather integrated video
lilac geyser
torn ferry
Google bad.
late sorrel
lmfao
torn ferry
Google is stupid.
fleet canopy
1 pin broke off @brisk badger
vapid crypt
It was a pin which was crucial for the memory controller
fleet canopy
Poor 2600
lilac geyser
hi doc
delicate current
torn ferry
Will I not see the power supply if I build in the O11 Dynamic XL?
vapid crypt
Man I dunno that Power supply sticks out like a sore thumb
brisk badger
what's going on, is it playing hide and seek with me?
fleet canopy
Just get regular o11
If you wanna do like
That custom watercooling stuff, then an XL yeah
fleet canopy
Mm, yes
abstract kite
so any rumored prices for 3000 series now that we know cooler costs 150$
fleet canopy
59430549539045430485903859034890890$
abstract kite
gg
fleet canopy
:)
abstract kite
wait so
lemme get this straight
3080 is now new 3070
3080ti is like 2080 super
3090 is new 2080ti
abstract kite
i mean not talking about whats better now
talking about prices XD
idk how the 3000 series is now being stacked
like
3090ti is like new titan RTX?
or what
fleet canopy
So basically
3080 = Better than a 2080 Ti afaik I guess
3080 Ti = Yes
3090 = More likely made to be a workstation
torn ferry
Will the initial stock be thin?
fleet canopy
? @torn ferry
And RTX Titan is pretty much a 2080 Ti with more VRAM and without Quadro support
torn ferry
Like when it releases, will it be difficult to buy like how the 10th gen processors weren't stocked well and are currently very difficult to find?
brisk badger
@abstract kite I think the: O11 Dynamic XL
vapid crypt
Allegedly the 3090 will be taking the place of the Titan for the moment, but I could see them releasing a new Titan later on a bigger die with double the memory
fleet canopy
Possibly low stock, but I dunno
abstract kite
ok then by that