personally, im always a fan of getting good AIB cards, rather than reference nvidia cards
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
restive garnet
torn ferry
How much could I sell my current 2080 for?
fleet canopy
It's just a GPU to me
It's going to perform like another card whether I give a shit or not
torn ferry
Given that I clean it up and find original packaging for it?
restive garnet
original packaging usually adds a disproportionate value to it
torn ferry
How do you sell cards if you don't have the box it belongs to?
restive garnet
same as youd expect
fleet canopy
Packaging, cleaned, needs the little black cover on the lane slot thingy, ext.
restive garnet
make a listing on ebay or craigslist and hope for the best
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
Auction or offer value?
restive garnet
auction on electronic parts is usually a waste of time
torn ferry
Do I put the selling price below MSRP?
restive garnet
probably
fleet canopy
What did you buy it for
restive garnet
not by much
fleet canopy
How much?
vapid crypt
Easily, you could get over like 500 bucks for it. Considering 2070 Supers go for that much new, and the performance is a slight bump by comparison. On Ebay I saw em listed for around that much used when I looked last
torn ferry
It's the card that is in the prebuilt system I bought.
restive garnet
there is a difference between what they are being listed for and what they are actually selling for
fleet canopy
You can sell it for 650$ perhaps
vapid crypt
That's true, I suppose the highest auction I saw at 500
restive garnet
i mean, the steam community market for dota has bundles for several hundred dollars, when you can buy all the parts of the bundles for under 10
fleet canopy
But they could be rare bundles
restive garnet
in other words, they may be listed for 500 bucks, but they probably havent ever actually sold them
restive garnet
its ROG certified corsair ram
torn ferry
They just painted it red and added a very tiny ROG logo on it.
fleet canopy
Well ROG certified my fucking ass
restive garnet
asus and corsair are trying to work together a bit atm
fleet canopy
It's just boo hoo marketing
restive garnet
yeah, pretty much
restive garnet
some people are lazy
fleet canopy
And slap that boy on
torn ferry
RGB Pro or Dominator Platinum RGB?
fleet canopy
Doesn't really matter
torn ferry
3200mhz fine?
restive garnet
3200 is fine for anything non ryzen based
and even ryzen based 3200 is still decent
torn ferry
What makes Ryzen weird with RAM?
vapid crypt
If its a 3200 C14 kit, that baby's a B-die and will OC like a dream
restive garnet
intel CPUs have higher cache on board the chip
ryzen caches more on the ram
so you need faster ram to make up for the increased latency between cpu and ram
torn ferry
I'm thinking of going Intel since I play games only and nothing else. I used to do game design work, but I'm not in that anymore.
fleet canopy
I don't think it matters so much about RAM speed if it's gonna be 3200MHz CAS16
Or 3600Mhz CAS16
restive garnet
ryzen still does
fleet canopy
Or even 2933Mhz CAS16
restive garnet
tho it peaks around 3600
vapid crypt
Um well no the reason Ryzen is Ram dependent is because of their design right
fleet canopy
Linus got shit on by his community for having 2933Mhz RAM on his PC that has a Ryzen
torn ferry
Should I replace the Lighting Node CORE in the iCue 465x with a Commander Pro?
fleet canopy
He switched it out because "There you go, happy now?" and proved no differences are actually noteworthy
torn ferry
Now it's time to find a PSU that isn't out of stock or price gouged.
vapid crypt
I saw a video getting a 3800X to 5ghz, basically did nothing for FPS unfortunately
restive garnet
in benchmarks, scores go up by a decent amount for having higher clock frequency on ryzen based systems
in games, its a very minute difference
vapid crypt
Proves that there needs to be tighter latency, that's the important thing for that
restive garnet
but when you are talking 20-30 bucks for another 400 mhz
fleet canopy
restive garnet
its worth doing
fleet canopy
Nice price, not gouged to shit like the 750W one
torn ferry
What does it mean when a PSU is fully modular?
restive garnet
it means that you can plug in whatever cables you need
instead of just having a bunch of cables built in to it which you cant remove if you dont need them
so like, you only need 2 sata power cables? cool
only plug in 2
fleet canopy
Not modular = cables are already on PSU, nothing to plug in
fleet canopy
Semi = has all needed plugged in, some extra ports to add
torn ferry
Should I buy the parts that I can from Corsair themselves or from another retailer?
fleet canopy
Full - literally everything not plugged, but offers all you need and more
restive garnet
do your due diligence and check other retailers for price
vapid crypt
Look for the best deals
restive garnet
sometimes they charge less than manufacturers
torn ferry
White 465x is not available on Amazon,
restive garnet
if you are limiting yourself to amazon and corsair
fleet canopy
Full modular here
restive garnet
then sure, buy from corsair
torn ferry
Corsair has the cheapest price for the case compared to Amazon and Newegg,
restive garnet
still look around, see if there is a local computer store or something offering a better price
torn ferry
Best Buy only has the black iCue 465x,
fleet canopy
I always prefer going full modular, because it's not too much of a trouble, and only need to plug in what you need to have
restive garnet
tbh, its probably easier to find fully modular power supplies these days anyway
cant remember the last time i saw a non modular power supply that was worth using
torn ferry
Amazon has the RAM for $15 cheaper,
fleet canopy
Non modulars are the cheapest
vapid crypt
You have to account for any shipping costs too
fleet canopy
Shipping, tax, full price
vapid crypt
Is corsair charging for shipping, let alone tax
torn ferry
And 100% rating for another seller but only 4 ratings, so the score is flawed.
fleet canopy
kek
restive garnet
also, looking at pbtech website, mostly because they are probably the biggest computer store in NZ, and one of the only two i think are worth using, i cant find anything modular with above bronze 80+
actually there are a few, but nothing seems to be above 600w
either way
modular power supplies also give you the option of custom sleeved cables
though i suppose you could just use extensions on a non modular
torn ferry
Lian Li Strimer Plus cables I want but yea, more clown vomit.
restive garnet
same tbh
restive garnet
the original strimers were on sale like 50% off a few weeks ago
vapid crypt
🤡 🌈
fleet canopy
And smear its rainbow blood everywhere on your PC
restive garnet
but apparently they had a tendency to fall apart
while the revised ones werent quite as bad
torn ferry
Which cables do I get from Corsair? Type 4 Gen 4 or Type 3 Gen 2?
restive garnet
cables for what?
torn ferry
If I wanted white sleeved cables for the PSU.
restive garnet
ah
fleet canopy
Get from cablemod if you want
restive garnet
not terribly familiar
the corsair ones are alright in a pinch
particularly if you only want them in white
but cablemod make some fantastic cables, and you can get them in any color or style you want
restive garnet
tho personally, im a fan of making custom cables myself
its expensive to get all the supplies initially, but the part that drives custom cables prices up is labour
it can take you several hours to make a full set of cables
which to get custom cables in the same style you could do, would probably still cost you more
also, before you go buying any cables from corsair
check compatibility
by the looks, any RMX PSU should be compatible with type 4 gen 3/4, and apparently 4 is the nicer one to use
restive garnet
im having trouble as well
restive garnet
i found one place here in NZ that sells it, but its weird that i cant find anywhere else
torn ferry
I can find an i5-9600k at least.
vapid crypt
Which is a direct downgrade from an 8700K
torn ferry
Probably.
vapid crypt
Not probably, it is
torn ferry
9700k?
vapid crypt
9700K is a side grade
fleet canopy
Just don't upgrade the GPU and CPU
torn ferry
So where is the 10600k?
vapid crypt
It has 2 more cores technically, but less threads
Paper launches, what are you gonna do
restive garnet
wasnt the 9600k a 6 core?
torn ferry
It is a 6 core.
fleet canopy
6 c 6t i think
restive garnet
yeah
vapid crypt
Yes I was referring to the 9700K
fleet canopy
Just don't upgrade
torn ferry
So take the 8700k out of the old motherboard and put it in a new Z370/390 motherboard?
restive garnet
not a terrible idea in terms of cost effectiveness
vapid crypt
That would be the most cost effective option
torn ferry
Is it easy to transfer a CPU to a new motherboard?
restive garnet
tho you would have to replace the motherboard again if you decided to upgrade cpu to anything above 9th gen
its a bit nerve wracking the first time
but its fairly straight forward
the part thatll get you is applying thermal paste to it
and then remounting the cooler
at least if you get yourself an AIO, they usually come with pre applied paste
torn ferry
All I know for thermal paste is to not apply it like you're icing a cake or like a Jackson Pollock painting.
vapid crypt
Just remember to clean off the old stuff when you remove the current cooler
restive garnet
^
torn ferry
How do you clean off old thermal paste?
restive garnet
isopropyl alcohol and thick paper towels
fleet canopy
Thermal paste that should definitely be better than what they add are only like a couple bucks for 5 grams
vapid crypt
Coffee Filters w/ alcohol is a good option
restive garnet
coffee filters are a fantastic option as well
vapid crypt
Though tbh in my area I can't fucking find any alcohol anymore
restive garnet
i just never seem to have any at hand
fleet canopy
Hah, coffee filters
vapid crypt
I'm an avid drinker so its no problem
restive garnet
same tbh
fleet canopy
Hahaha
torn ferry
Then what motherboard do I get if I'm sticking with an 8700k?
fleet canopy
You should be able to do something with regular alcohol
vapid crypt
That's allegedly an effective option
restive garnet
sorta funny, last time i went to buy a bottle i had to go up to the front counter to get it, because apparently all the druggies would buy it because its cheap as fuck
vapid crypt
I would say look it up first, but I remember hearing that
restive garnet
make up wipes arent terrible, but its probably just as easy to go for thick paper towels
vapid crypt
Sure, just a matter of if you have alcohol on hand or not
restive garnet
true
vapid crypt
I can't seem to find any... for like months now
restive garnet
not sure about over there, but over here, every hardware store and chemist stock it
usually only about 10 bucks for a litre or so
vapid crypt
Meanwhile same store, makeup wipes stocked to high heaven
restive garnet
as for what paste to use
my personal favorite is thermal grizzly conductonaut
well
fleet canopy
I used Artic 5, not bad either
fleet canopy
However if there's a much better one, just go for it if it's priced good
vapid crypt
only paste I've used is Coolermaster Mastergel Maker
restive garnet
if you get something wrong with conductonaut, you will brick your mobo
that stuffs not bad
not amazing
but if i ever want some, i just walk in to pbtech and ask my mates for some
because you can usually get several applications out of a tube, and they give you a tube with every cooler
so they just end up with hundreds of them lying around
vapid crypt
The arctic stuff?
torn ferry
Do AIOs come with thermal paste pre-applied?
torn ferry
The white Corsair 240mm H100i RGB Platinum SE is the one I am ordering.
fleet canopy
It's better to just remove it and add a better thermal paste if you got that on hand
vapid crypt
I think Corsair usually includes paste applied
restive garnet
yeah, generally the paste they use is cheap long life stuff
vapid crypt
So for the best performance you could replace it
fleet canopy
Not like you could keep that for too long anyways haha
restive garnet
most thermal paste can last up to about 2 years of direct usage
tho i generally lean towards replacing it at least once a year
torn ferry
Should I get a Z390 or Z370 motherboard?
restive garnet
z390
newer
slightly better tech revisions
and probably a higher chance of finding one you want because its newer
torn ferry
Any recommendation for specific motherboard?
restive garnet
personally, id recommend anything from asus
tho, particulary anything from their rog/strix lines
prime isnt bad, but its missing out on a lot of the rainbow puke stuff
only issue is if you want something in white
vapid crypt
So if you pick up a z390 you could very well get a 9900K at some point
torn ferry
As white or close to white as possible.
vapid crypt
I was curious but the only board that's straight up white is one from NZXT and they don't make it anymore I think 
restive garnet
i wouldnt really trust NZXT making mobos anyway
torn ferry
I see that, but it's not actually white.
vapid crypt
Eh me neither
torn ferry
You can take off the white covering.
restive garnet
only products ive ever had from NZXT have died within a month of owning them
torn ferry
And see that it's basically a normal board.
vapid crypt
Okay so the PCB isn't white, but I mean its white.
restive garnet
PCBs are never white
vapid crypt
I've seen white ones before 
torn ferry
$400 for used Z390-E ROG, yay.
vapid crypt
Well sure, but its largely white
fleet canopy
Kind of like, something you'd see from a Call of Duty game with an artic winter style to it tbh
vapid crypt
That's a Z270 board there, I think they must have discontinued the Arctic models after 2017 or something
restive garnet
yeah, usually white stuff is few and far between
limited runs and what not
took ASUS like 2 years to do a white 2080ti, and they stopped manufacturing it immediately afterwards
vapid crypt
Hence why there are white 2080s priced at 2080ti prices
restive garnet
pretty much
at that point you may as well just paint it yourself
at least most mobos have heaps of pieces you can remove and paint safely
vapid crypt
Hmm say you wanted to paint the heatsinks, what would you use without compromising their performance?
torn ferry
Can't seem to find a Z390 motherboard that is in stock or not price gouged.
vapid crypt
Look through Ebay
torn ferry
Eww, Ebay.
torn ferry
Is ebay even safe to order stuff from during a pandemic?
restive garnet
generally speaking, most automotive paints will be fine on heatsinks, give or take
the difference for the most part, is fairly negligible, provided you dont absolutely layer it up in paint
vapid crypt
I mean you could apply that to anything, with that thinking you would never buy anything just to avoid the risk. And life is full of risks, there's a chance for anything bad to happen to anyone at any time. Disease is no different, take precautions but don't make a big deal about it. Living in fear isn't worth it, because that fear will control you.
That being said, there's always used parts available in some way on Ebay. So its just an option if there's nothing priced fairly otherwise
torn ferry
I just can't find a Z390 motherboard for the build.
vapid crypt
How much are you willing to spend for one?
I found a Rog Strix board for 190 and an MSI MPG board for 183
They're refurbished
torn ferry
How are MSI motherboards?
vapid crypt
I have one, can't complain at all really. Though I suppose their customer service isn't great? Then again I heard neither was Asus so
torn ferry
restive garnet
ive heard bad things about their MPG boards
but i think thats mostly within context to their MEG boards
vapid crypt
MEG and MPG are different
restive garnet
yeah
vapid crypt
Though MEG is higher end so that's weird
vapid crypt
Well It isn't called Godlike for no reason
Also the X570 MPG boards do have trash VRMs considering they're over 200 bucks
vapid crypt
I would think the QC is different depending on the chipset
vapid crypt
I wouldn't say that for certain
I think they've taken enough criticism over X570 to actually care
vapid crypt
Their X570 Tomahawk is a great board, I imagine the B550 would be no different
restive garnet
as a person who hates MSI with a passion
i dont really mind their tomahawk boards
they are just good all around plug and play boards, so to speak
good balance of features and price, and they dont require a particularly large amount of effort to get them running properly
torn ferry
I just don't trust ebay.
vapid crypt
You got?
vapid crypt
Oh very good, its almost like pure disaster is few and far between 
vapid crypt
But yeah those refurbished boards have good reviews from the looks of it, I don't think they're in bad faith
I suppose it could be possible to get a damaged socket, but yeah as it is there's ways to get replacements and refunds
abstract kite
In my own personal opinion I would not get refurbished or from a third party like a individual seller from places like EBay... I know you're getting a board, Muppy, but did you see that there are "GPU's" some people buy that are nothing but a well disguised circuit board that will fry your system immediately?
restive garnet
basically anything from wish.com is usually a bunch of half dead gpus knocked together with a semi custom bios
just enough work put in to it to make it run, but not enough to make it run like the card it claims to be
fleet canopy
We don't speak of wish. com
vapid crypt
They're low end Keppler or Fermi GPUs with cheap memory soldered on to them, and a half assed bios. And installing drivers is basically impossible
restive garnet
its always funny watching teardowns of wish cards
9/10 times the memory is mix and match
like, they dont even have the consistency to make sure that any particular card is using only one type of memory
abstract kite
When I was first starting to build my PC I almost used Wish. I did homework and I'm glad I did.
fleet canopy
I never looked into wish cause where the fuck would anyone get a really expensive item for goddamn 10$
Like it's obviously so fake
abstract kite
Not true
fleet canopy
Oh?
abstract kite
Its is not obviously fake.
fleet canopy
Just seemed really bad to me
abstract kite
To you, but others it may seem like a deal.
fleet canopy
True
abstract kite
It usually only takes you once to get burned to learn not to do it again.
fleet canopy
Unless you're stupid enough to do it again
Straight from a first buy, and failing it, it makes anything look bad
abstract kite
Usually
abstract kite
I got told today that saying some ones computers memory was dry heaving because their usage is at 70% is making fun of them being poor.
Like wtf? XD
vapid crypt
Sounds like they're really fun at parties
abstract kite
Definitely.
fleet canopy
Dry heaving?
abstract kite
I told him to look in NewEgg or in here. He may burst a blood vessel.
vapid crypt
Oh I figured that was a figure of speech
abstract kite
It is
torn ferry
I still cannot find a motherboard.
abstract kite
I would recommend the B450 Max, but that is sold out and price gouged to like $260 iirc
vapid crypt
He's looking for Z390 board
fleet canopy
Yeah
abstract kite
Ahh
fleet canopy
Sticking to 8700K I guess
fleet canopy
Really, it should be whatever you're thinking to get
torn ferry
I would get 10th gen intel, but I can't find a 10600k.
vapid crypt
That shit got paper launched basically
Only people that got it were reviewers and whoever bought the stock first
torn ferry
Paper launched?
fleet canopy
Basically ran out so fast
vapid crypt
Basically a product launch with very thin stock
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
So when will more be in stock?
vapid crypt
No idea, but it would take some time I'm sure
vapid crypt
The 3950X probably took a couple months before it wasn't perpetually out of stock
torn ferry
This sucks.
torn ferry
Why can't they just make more stock?
abstract kite
Have you checked everywhere around you? Bestbuy, Wal-Mart, Microcenter?
fleet canopy
I wonder why too!
torn ferry
Well, they're not trying hard enough.
abstract kite
Itd hard to make more right now. The world economy and manufacturing plants have kinda ceased due to the Pandemic.
fleet canopy
If you see it in stock, either you are going for something else or you grab it outta there so fucking fast that no one can do anything about you with it
Yeah
torn ferry
I'm just expecting to be like 5 years before anything is normal.
abstract kite
Mire than likely.
vapid crypt
Um not really I mean it ceased for a couple months I guess, but otherwise its just shipping delays on shipping delays
torn ferry
Because Amazon is a worthless company.
fleet canopy
Amazon is cool, getting a job there is a no braincells decision
torn ferry
Is your item not essential by our very subjective guidelines? Too bad, wait three more months for your product.
abstract kite
Terrible decision.
vapid crypt
Uh what?
abstract kite
Amazon works their boxing section like dogs
torn ferry
Are non-k processors always inferior to the k processors?
vapid crypt
Unfortunately, yes
torn ferry
i5-10400 is bad?
vapid crypt
Absolutely
torn ferry
i7-10700 bad?
vapid crypt
Compared to alternatives its not a good choice
vapid crypt
10700 seems even more pointless tbh
abstract kite
This damn rocket science again
torn ferry
$699 for a 10700k.
vapid crypt
Uh its supposed to be 409
torn ferry
Not according to Amazon.
fleet canopy
Now, unless it's on a very good sale, or the 10600K is in stock, there's no point in grabbing a 10700K
abstract kite
Price gouging
vapid crypt
Well people will price shit like that, its a paper launch
abstract kite
At its finest!
fleet canopy
Yeah!
torn ferry
I thought price gouging was illegal.
torn ferry
Or does it only apply to hand sanitizer hoarders?
fleet canopy
Because high demand with low stock, it's gouging the fuck outta the sky
vapid crypt
Opportunists really
abstract kite
You could say Toilet Paper had a paper Launch. Kek
torn ferry
Is the 3700x or the 3800x a sidegrade from the 8700k?
fleet canopy
haha
vapid crypt
Fawk Yeah 🤪
Um I would call it an upgrade since you get more cores and threads
You play at 1440p right?
fleet canopy
I wouldn't say it's a side grade, but I haven't seen what it's like in performance compared to older CPUs like 7700K obviously inferior to a 3700X at this point, 8700K, etc
1440p 60Hz
abstract kite
R7 3700x is pretty nice, but you'd need a new board, right?
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
Yes, and I can't find one.
vapid crypt
Cause there would be almost no difference at 1440p in terms of performance
torn ferry
"In stock on this date that we will very likely change,"
fleet canopy
Honestly yeah
No point to think of grabbing it unless you have any kind of work on a computer
vapid crypt
The Matisse refreshes will be coming out soon, not sure if it would be worth waiting for them though
torn ferry
I hate waiting.
vapid crypt
Hmm I think we would hear something official by next week
fleet canopy
Impatient, hm
torn ferry
I see this Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Z390, but it's not in stock until June 16, but I'm scared if I order it now, between then and now, it will change.
torn ferry
I want a new board though.
vapid crypt
Its an Asrock board rebranded under Ibuypower
torn ferry
iBuyPower rebranded ASRock Z370.
abstract kite
Gross a Intel User
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
I just got to overclock it!!! cries silently in 4 cores 8 thread room heater
torn ferry
So what should I do?
torn ferry
Well, I want to build my own system now.
fleet canopy
I would just wait a few years myself, and by then, stuff would be out that makes whatever I currently have worth an upgrade
vapid crypt
With patience comes perfection, and in time it will be realized
abstract kite
If it ain't broke don't fix it
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
Well, I have zero patience.
vapid crypt
Then suffer 
torn ferry
I just want to build my own PC now and get away from prebuilts.
vapid crypt
As far as I can tell the only thing low quality about the computer is the RAM it has, and I suppose the cooler
torn ferry
And PSU.
vapid crypt
Maybe the board as well, but its Z370
So it should be capable
And the case looks like a gimmick
abstract kite
Oh and make sure to add more RGB to you're build whenever possible.
vapid crypt
So its easy enough to improve these things, get a new cooler, case, faster RAM and that would do it
abstract kite
70 RBGs on a SSD or riot
torn ferry
And new PSU.
torn ferry
Thermaltake Smart Series.
vapid crypt
Smart what?
torn ferry
Non-modular PSU, bronze rating.
vapid crypt
I mean as long as it has adequate wattage, and its supplying enough power via the 12v rail its fine
Does it happen to look like this?
torn ferry
Yes.
vapid crypt
Sure it doesn't have the convenience of a non modular design, it has all the necessary protections one would expect. Its losing 50w on the 12v rail, which isn't a big deal I suppose.
Shit that rosewill powersupply I have has a larger difference
torn ferry
I'd rather have new parts.
vapid crypt
Power supplies are built to last, if you can reuse it; it isn't a bad idea
torn ferry
I still want new parts.
vapid crypt
Well finding reasonable prices or even stuff in stock is rough atm
torn ferry
And that sucks.
fleet canopy
I'm just revising two PC part list as stuff goes on
vapid crypt
As much as I want to upgrade my gpu this month I think I'm gonna settle for a case and cooler upgrade
torn ferry
I just need a new motherboard and I am good to go.
vapid crypt
Looking through this list of psus I'm glad I ended up getting the one I wanted when I was able to, cause its just a bunch of links to blank pcpartpicker pages
torn ferry
Is this a bad board?
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z390-GAMING-PLUS
vapid crypt
Can't say for sure
Huh as it happens its in stock at my local best buy
Maybe browse that as an option
torn ferry
vapid crypt
That's not bad if you can get it
Its sold out at the Chicago store
Oh wait you said detroit
torn ferry
When you order a product to be shipped, does it randomly select a store to ship it from?
fleet canopy
Yeah might as well wait
fleet canopy
Basically, they'll pick whatever place has that in stock
fleet canopy
Bring it across different places, for like a couple time until they finally have it at your place
vapid crypt
That's why I wasn't sure cause I remember checking and it seems they don't ship cpus
fleet canopy
So it can be anywhere that it came from
They might not even try taking it from Detroit
vapid crypt
Who told you that?
torn ferry
Gamers Nexus seemed to dislike the II compared to the I.
fleet canopy
There can be many reasons, and they are opinions
torn ferry
Now I don't know if I should stick with the iCue 465X or change to the Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic.
fleet canopy
Perhaps it's just the front panel 
It really only depends on aesthetics when picking from two cases that are both pretty good
imo I would take O11, because I don't really see much for airflow on 465X
vapid crypt
It has enough space to pull in air from the side
fleet canopy
Well that's true
I just prefer the O11 though, cause I see a lot of ways you can have your airflow set up, and a nice amount of options for radiators
vapid crypt
I'm thinking of getting the scuffed o11
torn ferry
Scuffed?
vapid crypt
Antec P120 Crystal
torn ferry
Enermax has a white 360mm radiator,
vapid crypt
I was looking at AIOs and Deepcool has white 360mm rads
torn ferry
But Gamers Nexus showed that a lot of the Liqtech 2 coolers had this some kind of slime buildup in the pump.
fleet canopy
That's just for
uhh
Custom liquid shit
Having just regular water mixed with some minerals won't do that
torn ferry
fleet canopy
Those are just threadripper coolers though
vapid crypt
They did repurpose the same coolers for consumer chips
torn ferry
So, iCue 465x or the O11 Dynamic?
jade ermine
O11
torn ferry
Why the O11 over the iCue 465x?
And this might be a stupid question, but can you not plastidip or paint an AIO without breaking anything?
jade ermine
Radiator is easy to paint
jade ermine
You are looking at max 1C difference but its better to cover fins with cardboard before paintjob
sick reef
Depending on how effective you are, and what paint you use, you could choke it out completely.
torn ferry
Choke?
sick reef
The paint would insulate the fins.
torn ferry
And that is bad I assume?
sick reef
Yes, for a medium that is trying to dissipate heat through the fins, that is bad. The thinnest coat of paint might not do the largest of difference, as Unlucky says, but anything beyond that might affect it very negatively.
And to do the thinnest coat of paint, that'd take a spray can at the proper distance, and accepting the loss of some areas. Unless you're able to get it professionally done.
jade ermine
So for short, dont plastidip your radiator :D
torn ferry
Is this a bad and untrue guide then?
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/blog/How-to-mod-paint-your-radiator
sick reef
Don't Metal Lacquer it either.
flat wyvern
torn ferry
Is the 9900k any good considering how much it costs?
vapid crypt
Yeah its a good chip, did you find a Z390 board?
Though imo I don't think its worth its price
fleet canopy
Yeah, for 500$ you could get a 3900X which iirc beats 9900K?
It's actually at 450$ I think, for 3900X
But so is the 9900K
vapid crypt
Uh it beats it in purely high thread count workloads
ancient hare
I’m using a 1070ti and getting 55~ FPS on 3440x1440p medium settings. Should I wait for the 3000 series before upgrading?
vapid crypt
Medium settings
Do you know what framerate you get at 1080p High, and what processor do you have?
torn ferry
I found a Z390 board.
ancient hare
i7-7700k
sharp obsidian
yes wait for the 3000 series, otherwise you'd be buying either a 20 or a 20 super and would be hella disappointed when the 30 series comes out
torn ferry
I kind of don't want to wait. XD
sharp obsidian
but like
vapid crypt
Trust me Shawn, the 3080 alone is probably gonna be 50% faster than the 2080
sharp obsidian
would you rather spend a lot now and have it be obsolete faster or the same amount later for way more power
yuuuuup
either that or it'll be dissapointing as hell
BUT
even in that case, it means the 2080's will get cheaper
vapid crypt
Shawn actually has a 2080
sharp obsidian
then what the hell you tryna upgrade to my dude
vapid crypt
Uh he got a pre-built and wants to build an all white pc or something
torn ferry
Is the i7-10700 garbage?
fleet canopy
It's not worth it considering the 10600K is a thing.
vapid crypt
I wouldn't call it garbage, but it isn't worth it considering what else there is
torn ferry
Should I order the parts now?
dawn lily
fleet canopy
Ehh, your parts are perfectly fine
I'd just wait
Don't care if you're impatient, just wait
You'll cry and die inside when RTX 3000 comes out
vapid crypt
I've said before, get a new case, cooler, ram and power supply if you really want to, but your current core parts are perfectly fine for the time being
Shit that CPU would be fine for another 2 years probably
fleet canopy
And that GPU is gonna last for like
It's just gonna be damn good still until like 2022
Actually nah, it'll last for longer than that
abstract kite
im just staying with my 9900k for 3-5 yrs
vapid crypt
2080 would be good for that long too, though I'm not sure it wouldn't be good for anything higher than 1080p by then
I mean it's only slightly faster than a 1080ti a 3 year old card at this point
vapid crypt
Allegedly they're calling it 3090
fleet canopy
Design funi
abstract kite
g i b price
fleet canopy
No known price yet
restive garnet
rumor has it, like previous 90 series cards, itd be a double GPU
which could be interesting
vapid crypt
Where'd you hear that?
fleet canopy
afaik older cards with xxx90 were double
vapid crypt
I've been hearing instead 3090 is being used to rebrand x80ti
fleet canopy
Yeah
restive garnet
ive been hearing a bit of both
vapid crypt
Perfect excuse to mark up prices
fleet canopy
The double GPU, not yet
restive garnet
but i remember seeing a slide that was pretty much 90% chinese
showing a card with roughly double cuda cores
could go either way, i could see nvidia using a rename to justify a higher price
"its not a direct upgrade, its actually a tier above a direct upgrade, hence why it costs more than a 2080ti"
abstract kite
fck the higher prices
fleet canopy
Higher prices = a lot better obviously
Like my quadro 8000 😎
Should be 5321489209024390428908209% better than 2080 Ti ahahahaha
abstract kite
XDD
vapid crypt
Going by recent leaks the 3080 will have the same amount of cuda cores as the 2080ti... So I hope this doesn't mean higher prices in general
abstract kite
i hope its gonna cost less than 800€ XD
fleet canopy
2080 Super MSRP is 700$, so it might be just 800$ then, poor you
abstract kite
800$ is still acceptable
vapid crypt
I remember when the x80 card was 500 bucks
But if they actually lower prices, then maybe it will go like this. 3080 - $700 3090 - $1100 Titan $3000 cause fuck wallets
brisk badger
Dual GPU are likely not being produced for a long time. Not because of hardware but software adaption. Also wccftech is like the most untrustworthy tech source, avoid
vapid crypt
Their comment sections are magical though, and rival that of Reddit. Would read again 
brisk badger
I may unblock the website then and have a sneak peak. Shhh
brisk badger
Maybe they changed but like 4 years it was hot garbage
clear quartz
so how you'll rate a Radeon rx5700 xt?
fleet canopy
RTX 2070 Super without the RTX
clear quartz
well i mean more like price per performance
brisk badger
I use the 5700XT myself and I am very happy with it. Good performance, good power consumption
clear quartz
i was thinking about getting an RX5700 xt along with a ryzen 9 3900x
brisk badger
but there is one issue at least with 1440p; Either 144hz and medium to high settings or ultra high but no 144hz
I think it's a good combo
clear quartz
1440 is oover kill for me, im ok with 1080p gaming tbh
brisk badger
for 1080p it's perfect. More expensive cards almost don't make sense for 1080p IMO
fleet canopy
Like a 3080 on 1080p 240Hz
fleet canopy
Ehh
brisk badger
yea laptops with 4k are crazy. Like you need to set in windows 200% zooming or whatever it's called
fleet canopy
1440p 24" is nice
You don't have to complain about how it's too big if it were ever the case
brisk badger
great for maybe painting and some other artsy things but to use, ugh my eyes will bleed
fleet canopy
I look at my monitor and think "Yeah 27" is never gonna fit on this thing"
clear quartz
honest i happy with 1080@144hz on 23 inches
clear quartz
thats why irather go wtih a lower resolution without compromising FPS
fleet canopy
I probably could settle for 1080p 144 or 240hz
But then I'll have to get a better CPU to really benefit for frames on 1080p
clear quartz
which quarter is it coming out on?
clear quartz
perfect
vapid crypt
The Zen 2 refresh should be July, but that's just faster clocked Zen 2 basically
fleet canopy
Hm.
void perch
only took them like 10 years to add control c/v support
olive hinge
this is pc build help, not mental disorder help
proper wren
late sorrel
oh god
restive garnet
Im trying so hard to work out where that went so so wrong
fleet canopy
No standoff for it I assume
Or literally removed the whole standoff, and put it right on it
Somehow
void perch
Looks like that is the standoff
fleet canopy
Yeah
stark plover
How's 1440p at 24inches
Im prob gonna get 27 inches but my biggest monitor ive had is only 22 inches so thatll be a big jump lol
fleet canopy
Best to see if it'll fit 27" or 24" kek
Now 1440p at 24" uhh
No idea the difference with 27", but it's a nice size just on my desk which really doesn't offer too much room at the moment
stark plover
Ive heard at 24'' its best to go 1080p because like smaller screen so details wont be as noticeable (i think idk)
fleet canopy
1080p is best when it's 24" or below
1440p is best when it's 27" or below
4K is like
40" ish
Or 60"
lol
stark plover
lol
fleet canopy
But who cares about 4K anyways
stark plover
i wanna experience that 1440p
stark plover
ye
fleet canopy
Instead of getting 1440p 144hz
fleet canopy
Never experienced anything more than 60FPS lmao
stark plover
same
fleet canopy
How far back, meaning?
fleet canopy
Eh, doesn't really matter just as long as it's far enough for you
stark plover
thats fair
fleet canopy
Just don't have it too close of course
stark plover
of course
merry bay
ideal distance is where you can't make out individual pixels. Screen size and resolution are the main factors that play into that
people's eyes are different so there's no perfect answer though
fleet canopy
Yeah
clear quartz
what if i need glasses but don't use them?
hexed horizon
brisk badger
What also is important in regards of distance to the monitor; FOV (in combination to the aspect ratio) the formula can be found on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view_in_video_games#Field_of_view_calculations but there is also various websites calculating it
vapid crypt
Seems the 3090 we've been hearing about might replace the Titan
And the 3080ti will yet again be 11GB
Damn it Nvidia
late sorrel
fuck
vapid crypt
Also over 300w
fleet canopy
Wild
vapid crypt
Wew lad they ain't sandbagging
fleet canopy
If AMD has a GPU with a pretty good performance, with like more than 11GB, probably 16GB like that last one AMD did, then it'll be pretty good
vapid crypt
Oh and the title of the article, yeah the FE cooler is gonna be 150 on its own
fleet canopy
Might make NVIDIA do the same too
vapid crypt
AMD is looking to keep their hand hidden until Nvidia shows their
late sorrel
Nope
fleet canopy
Or just the RTX 3000 series overall
vapid crypt
Well these are still leaks, everything is subject to change and we don't know performance yet really
vapid crypt
Going by numbers we could guess the 3080 will stomp the 2080ti by 30% at least in rasterization and RTX is of course a major improvement
fleet canopy
You might as well not care for RTX unless it'll be one of those singleplayer games like CB2077 anyways
vapid crypt
Sure, but the thing is Ampere RTX will be significantly more efficient
fleet canopy
Ampere is the RTX 3000 of course, yeah?
Haven't remembered or heard their naming schemes that much recently haha
vapid crypt
That's right
fleet canopy
This has a 10nm Intel processor
Whoa, 10 nanometers from Intel????
That's impossible, Intel only wants 14nm processing!!!
vapid crypt
They've been using 10nm for their mobile chips
vapid crypt
Apparently they're also using it for Server
But basically I think because the DIY pc market doesn't really make Intel the big bucks unlike the laptop and server market, they just haven't. Also I think the clock speeds would take such a big hit that the performance wouldn't be any better even if there is a 18% IPC increase
So instead of getting up to 5.3ghz+ you would probably see 4.5 best case. I think that would even out in performance
fleet canopy
So a smaller nanometer process wouldn't exactly give out the best performance, hm
vapid crypt
Well see that's the thing, it improves efficiency
And they get a IPC increase, but with both of those things Intel always loses clock speed
vapid crypt
If Ryzen didn't come around, 6 cores is the best we would have in the top end right now
torn ferry
Would a black 360mm AIO ruin the aesthetic of a white PC build?
fleet canopy
If you wanna do like, white/black, wouldn't ruin it
vapid crypt
I mean you can do a like a Yin-Yang thing
fleet canopy
Most likely you're still going to see it anyways
vapid crypt
Black and white
fleet canopy
Sub 14nm?
jade ermine
Get those AIO sleeves
cable mod makes these
@fleet canopy smaller than 14nm
sorry for typing like a donkey
torn ferry
Is it difficult to put them on?
vapid crypt
I think its as simple as wrapping them around the existing tubing
fleet canopy
I figured it'd be more like pushing it through the cables pretty much
Like from one end, and pulling it on
vapid crypt
Yeah its exactly how I thought it would be https://youtu.be/T4Au4jXdQDw?t=139
fleet canopy
Oh for AIO, I wouldn't have thought that
I was thinking PSU cables
But that one works fine ig
vapid crypt
For psu cables, they're literally extensions
torn ferry
Is it difficult to setup more than 6 fans?
fleet canopy
Nah, it's not too hard
Gotta get a fan hub, maybe two
iirc there was a uhh
6-8 fan hub
vapid crypt
I have 4 fans running with just two motherboard fan headers, no hub needed
The fans themselves have a splitter, so you could continuously chain them. It isn't available for all fans though of course
torn ferry
I need to find somewhere that has the iCue 465x white version.
fleet canopy
Buying choice is 172$
Actually no, it's 228$
Wonder where that 172$ came from
No wait I'm right
It's 172$
vapid crypt
Its a $130 case I think though
fleet canopy
It just switched to 570X for no reason
Hm, 140$ MSRP
About 32$ more
I mean, you have to make some sacrifices sometimes kek
vapid crypt
You can get the o11 from microcenter for MSRP though can't you?
torn ferry
Looks like I can.
vapid crypt
Besides that they must have one of those Corsair cases
vapid crypt
In their entire inventory that is the only white case?
Or I guess the only white case available to ship
torn ferry
8 cases available to ship that are white.
Half of them are Lian Li cases.
Dynamic and Dynamic XL, 205, Lancool II, Maingear VYBE, NZXT H210, Carbide 275R, and Thermaltake S300.
8 white cases out of 52 available to ship.
abstract kite
I believe that is has already been discuss, but can we just take a look at those coolers for the new Ampere cards
Nvidia has kind of confirmed that those are the real deal, as they are launching a full scale investigation into their manufacturers.
vapid crypt
Yeah I'm aware of that since Igor's Lab mentioned it
late sorrel
The topsy-turvey one right?
abstract kite
I'm hoping that that interesting design will provide some decent amount of cooling, as I'm not sure how conventional the top/down fan positioning is... it will hurt a lot of the smaller form factor builders.
vapid crypt
Considering that the cooler costs 150 bucks on its own
It must be made entirely out of copper or something
abstract kite
Wish they could just reverse that top fan though 😩
late sorrel
Still looks mint
fleet canopy
It'd be neat to like, have it an intake on one side, exhaust on another
abstract kite
I like the look yea, but depending on if it's push/pull (depending on the positioning of the fan blades), or push/push, that could really mess up a lot of people.
fleet canopy
It'd just benefit so much
abstract kite
If the top is intake there goes my idea of an SFF build in the future. It wouldn't affect me too much now.
vapid crypt
You would want the exhaust to be on the bottom fan wouldn't you?
abstract kite
Not entirely, for an SFF build i'd want the bottom one to be intake with the top fan pulling heat off of the card, but that's super inconvenient for any other form factor, and would hinder CPU air cooler users (like myself) as that would cause hot air to be pulled straight into the CPU cooler
Most likely it's push/push though
It'll be tempting to get one if the thermals are good, but I am interested in how AIBs are going to build their PCBs based off of the reference design.
torn ferry
Microcenter doesn't have many PSUs available to ship either.
12 of them are Solid Gear PSUs.
torn ferry
Very low wattage, less than 500W, non-modular.
fleet canopy
No.
torn ferry
How many watts would I need for a 2080 Ti and 8700K?
fleet canopy
You're seriously not gonna invest in that
late sorrel
LMFAO
vapid crypt
You already have a Power Supply that would be able to run that
late sorrel
That would be the dumbest psu
vapid crypt
And if you really want to get a better one, looks elsewhere
Cause the options there are obviously no good
fleet canopy
Wait for the 3080 if you want!
And Zen 3!
Although that's a factorial, so it's just Zen 3
vapid crypt
And I will double that the 2080 you have is perfectly fine as it is
The new Ampere cards might need a bit more juice though
But that's for another time
torn ferry
I just don't want a prebuilt anymore.
vapid crypt
Once you replace a good bit of the computer you got, especially putting everything into a new case; I mean it kind of ceases to be a pre-built. Well sort of
8700K and 2080, those core parts are fine. Replacing especially the video card now would be a massive mistake with new cards coming in the next quarter
sharp obsidian
rule of thumb, don't buy parts right before a product launch and only replace the oldest/weakest part of the system to alleviate bottlenecks
2080'll run you just fine for a while, i ran a 970 until late last year with virtually no issues
fleet canopy
Rule of thumb: Be patient
sharp obsidian
O O F
fleet canopy
2080 Ti is stupid for its price, never buy it. Upgrading now is bad unless you're not running DDR4-3600MHz CAS16 or similar or need more storage space. Definitely buy a 1440p 144hz because you're literally buying a damn overkill PC if you're not getting that
torn ferry
I already have a 1440p 144hz monitor.
sharp obsidian
then you're fine
fleet canopy
Oh
fleet canopy
Thought you had like a 1440p 60 or 1080p 144hz
sharp obsidian
cause you'll need to swap mobo to switch to ryzen
fleet canopy
The biggest problem with prebuilts?
sharp obsidian
they're prebuilt
sharp obsidian
yeap
torn ferry
Microcenter only has one X570 board.
sharp obsidian
don't go to microcenter then
late sorrel
facts
fleet canopy
iBuyPower is okay though, since they do put in 3200-3600MHz CAS16 iirc at 16GB
fleet canopy
Not always
fleet canopy
Nope
sharp obsidian
and their build quality is ass
fleet canopy
lol