But it ticks all the boxes
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
restive garnet
restive garnet
1440P 144hz IPS
restive garnet
LG braned ips
fleet canopy
570$
restive garnet
Branded
restive garnet
Its one of those things where they make a slight revision and jerk themselves off over it
fleet canopy
Hahaha
restive garnet
I mean,, LG make the panels themselves
fleet canopy
So literally something I just shouldn't give a single shit about
restive garnet
Depends how much you value 110 bucks
fleet canopy
So for literally 110$ less, I can get just the not nano IPS
restive garnet
I dont think it especially adds to the experience
fleet canopy
Because from what you say, it seems to me that it's 100% marketing bullcrap with so little difference in whatever tbh
restive garnet
Thats more or less accurate
fleet canopy
Sounds fair
fleet canopy
Mhm
"In comparison to standard IPS displays which cover ~100% of the sRGB color space, Nano IPS displays have an extended gamut of ~135% sRGB or 98% DCI-P3 which allows them to deliver more vibrant and lifelike colors that are, among other things, crucial for an immersive HDR (High Dynamic Range) viewing experience"
"Nano IPS is just a Quantum Dot-like backlighting method that LG is using. It will allow for a wide color gamut. That's the only thing that will really come from it and likely not anything much higher than any other wide gamut monitor . More marketing than anything. It won't do anything to improve IPS' main shortcomings."
Amazing.
fleet canopy
Just cranking up the prices just so we can buy it thinking "Oh boy, I can get this totally not a crappy stupid fucking idea of a panel monitor for 110$ more!"
restive garnet
Color reproduction is definitely under rated
restive garnet
But i dont think the base model is particularly bad to begin with
fleet canopy
It's better than what I have atm
restive garnet
LG make some really nice panels
Its basically them and samsung making most of the panels used in most monitors
sick reef
I would myself need an IPS so I can watch Youtube from my sofa, but a TN is good as a security against people trying to record your screen from outside.
restive garnet
Is that even a thing?
sick reef
If someone can look in, passively, then they could.
sick reef
Only specific occasions, not something at all very common.
restive garnet
Im a kiwi, so its a whole different ballgame over here
sick reef
But it doesn't need to be common to be catastrophic.
Ah, yeah. I guess if there's some lad with a telescope yonder far, that had a grudge, then maybe, if there's even a sightline to begin with.
restive garnet
I dont think anyone would bother over here tbh
If you hold a grudge, you just get the boys together and kick his door in
We like to keep things simple
sick reef
Yeah. I guess it would depend on what grudge you hold.
Instead of the "I'll teach this guy a fucking lesson" I was thinking more of a "I'll ruin him".
restive garnet
Yeah, we mostly stick to the lesson kind
Oh, you laid a hand on my missus, guess ill just break both your arms
sick reef
I've heard stories of what practically sums up to 80's mafia mentality.
restive garnet
Thats a good way of putting it
Just, you know, a lack of italian accents and any form of class
Its not that bad over here, just sort of everyone knows everyone
sick reef
Had a friend, who had a friend, who had loaned out money to someone. Guy didn't pay back even when he could, so my friend knocked on his door, kidnapped him, took him to a remote cottage, gave him a few bruises, freed him of a few potential cavities. They dumped him back at his house, and lo and behold, his friend got the money the next day.
restive garnet
So you have to be careful who you piss off
sick reef
Yeah
restive garnet
Knew a guy back in primary school
Massive bully
Bit of a dickhead, whatever
Probably about 2 years ago he was still bullying people
fleet canopy
Wack
restive garnet
Bullied some guys younger sister
fleet canopy
Oh boy
restive garnet
The guy doesnt take kindly to it, big surprise
Gets some boys together, kidnaps the guy, ties him to a chair in his back yard and tortures him for like 10 hours straight
fleet canopy
Wild
sick reef
Yeah. As said, it really is stereotypical 80's mafia stuff.
restive garnet
Pretty much
Gotta say tho, the guy pretty much deserved it
My brother still has scars on his back from being dragged feet first across concrete
sick reef
Unfortunately, as it is somewhat unethical, it seems to work. Some people don't take it seriously, and will squirm and worm until they get jungle dental done to them.
restive garnet
Aint that the truth
Think its safe to say hes definitely learnt a pretty big lesson
sick reef
But it's stuff you can stay out off easily. Don't be a dick actively, and don't borrow money from other people.
restive garnet
Pretty much
sick reef
Well, if it's another person, you could just ask, and they could be "aight, sure"
sick reef
And you could be anywhere between fucked to saved.
From "yeah it's been a week now, where's my money" to "It's all right, you pay back when you can."
restive garnet
Usually im the one giving loans, though ive been burned before
sick reef
It's risky. I don't give loans, but I do give money sometimes to friends. I don't want to be in a situation where I'm expected to take it back.
sick reef
People get real fucking weird about the most simple of things.
restive garnet
Now i only loan to people i absolutely trust
Or dont entirely care if they pay it back
sick reef
Some people, it doesn't matter what amount, they'll struggle and argue, and get angry, because you expect them to give fair due, even over null sums. Or alcohol, of course. I've always found it off-putting.
But otherwise, they'd be completely regular joes.
restive garnet
Same, tho i had one guy call up out of the blue saying he wanted to settle up
He gave me 50 out of the 160 he still owed me
And i havent heard from him since
sick reef
At least you got part way there, and he didn't knock you.
fleet canopy
Well you got something back at least
sick reef
This meaning, both. He payed, and didn't try to beat his way out of not paying.
Though, yeah, then you lose a ton.
restive garnet
I think he was just worried id take it to court
Itd end up costing him a few grand, instead of a few hundred
jade ermine
stupid design, now i have to move my reservoir outside of the case ty nvidia
power connectors are at the end of the card according to that but PCB is super short? my brain
maybe PCB has giant hole in it
vapid crypt
Ah I understand the problem now
Honestly considering the disaster of the Turing launch, maybe its best to wait for board partner cards anyhow 
jade ermine
Does not fit anywhere else
sick reef
Solved my issues.
jade ermine
I think the pcb will be rather short with those new cards since they have fan on boths sides
if they are lengthy i just install reservoir on the back of mo-ra
proooblem solved
abstract kite
kk so
should i get 3080 on release or wait for 3080 super
judging by 2080 and 2080 super its not much different
maybe like 5 fps plus
or less
jade ermine
Maybe there will not be super cards this time around
abstract kite
I am technically gonna go for aorus 3080 xtreme
jade ermine
last time they made them because 1080Ti was basically same performance as 2080
abstract kite
jade ermine
I will be waiting for EVGA XC gaming/black
abstract kite
this is the only gpu that can fit in my case and looks good
i love 3 fans only
im curious whats gonna be the new design for 3080 s
jade ermine
🔮 no super models 🔮
vapid crypt
The Super cards was just a refresh as a response to Radeon, I don't think they would do it again
jade ermine
@abstract kite You better hope that they dont fuck that cooler up this time
abstract kite
They didnt rly fuck it up?
it cooled better than evga
and also sounded
less loud
by like 0.4decibels
but yeah i dont like how some parts of fans are blocked
for design looks n shit
i mean i like it but i dont cause it blocks air xD
jade ermine
Pascal aorus cooler worked well
Turing one is awful
abstract kite
what do u mean?
jade ermine
have you checked any reviews?
abstract kite
yes
benchmarks show -1,2 better temps than rog
like 64c on load
im not a fan of idle
its like 35c
my stock clock gpu current is gigabyte g1 design
usually was 25-28idle
abstract kite
on oc its 35c
interesting
oh well
Its either that i get it or i sell my pc and get bigger case
Now u may wonder well why not get just new case and transfer ur shit
Well good question
ill rather sell my broken shit and get new rig
xD
now only tjing thats broken is case
whats new is my i9 mobo cooler
old is gpu ram psu
abstract kite
no i mean ram is critical at this point
jade ermine
cmon bruv
jade ermine
bit on the slower side
abstract kite
I mean eh i can probs get 1500€ if i sell it to people from my city and country
lemme calculate tho
2430€ would be my budget
i would probs just go for ryzen x nvidia
and like 3600mhz ram
jade ermine
oh yea forgot zen3 is coming this year too
abstract kite
yahh
i mean if they make a 16 / 36 cpu that is mainstream and medium budget like 3900x
im fking going for ryzen xD
Also 3080 is said to be 10% faster in performance than 2080ti
additionally a custom gpu like aorus would give it 5+ or so
so 15%
lime field
Hello guys, so my PC all of a sudden started turning on and off
It says shutting down on display, then shut down and keeps restarting but the display doesn't come back
I tried to unplug and replug some wires and the ram but now that am done with all that my PC won't even power on
What's the worst case scenario?
vapid crypt
By that description worst case scenario is everything died and it can't be recovered, but that sort of applies to any issue like that
That's not likely to be the case though, I don't know what you unplugged that's preventing it from powering so 
abstract kite
@lime field Windows totally crashed
happened to me when i was back on windows 7 ultimate for 3 yrs
you need to reinstall windows and it should be fine
well atleast for me it worked
restive garnet
so many things that it could be, like it could be something to do with your front panel connectors, or your OS, hard drives etc
id probably start by unplugging everything and testing each individual piece
start with power supply, which if you know how to bridge the pins to jump start it, will at least tell you if thats cooked itself (i doubt it has)
work your way out, plug your motherboard in and see if you get any lights showing or fans starting, and have your monitor plugged into your mobo and see if you get signal out
lime field
Thanks for the replies guys. However I should mention that before it went total broke I unplugged the power cable to shut it down and turned it on after half an hour. Windows loaded in properly but after 5 mins of operation it shut done before saying windows windows shutting down, just like the first time.
Well in any case, am hoping it's a software issue and not hardware related
vapid crypt
If its Windows shutting itself down, its most likely a windows problem
torn ferry
What is the MSRPs for the 2080 Super and 2080 Ti?
fleet canopy
700$ 2080 Super
1100-1300$ 2080 Ti
Too fucking dumb to think about getting a 2080 Ti really
vapid crypt
Actually the MSRP was supposed to be 999 I recall from when they first announced it
I don't know where the extra few hundred bucks came from, but it is what it is
torn ferry
Will RTX 3000 be necessary even since I can already run games at 60 FPS 1440p?
fleet canopy
Yeah but it went boom boom big boom
vapid crypt
Is 60fps all you're looking for?
fleet canopy
You already have a 2080/Super, so not really
You can go for a 1440p 144hz
If you just do 60Hz, you're not letting it used its full potential
vapid crypt
Well I mean since you got a 2080 already I would just advise waiting for a discount or even newer cards
eternal cairn
Just wait for newer cards.
eternal cairn
You'll have more options and if you still want to stick with the 2000 series, they'll most likely drop in price.
vapid crypt
Something tells me Turing is gonna drop like a rock
fleet canopy
lmao
vapid crypt
We'll see if the RTX performance improvement is true anyway
eternal cairn
I just hope AMD brings enough competition that it'll force Nvidia to lower their prices.
fleet canopy
I mean, you could always compare the GTX 900 vs GTX 1000 or GTX 1000 vs RTX 2000
vapid crypt
Going by Nvidia leaks, they're anticipating strong competition from AMD
The 3080 is gonna be a 102 die
First time since Keppler
eternal cairn
Other than their gimmicky "ray-tracing" which I hardly see the usefulness of except to make stuff look more realistic, it's such a useless feature.
Nvidia is gonna have to bring more raw power.
torn ferry
I don't know if I should get a new card for my first build or not, but 3000 isn't really until like September.
eternal cairn
Don't do it yet.
vapid crypt
Yeah just use what you have
eternal cairn
Prices will drop when the newer cards come out.
fleet canopy
Honestly I gotta say they're not wrong about RTX looking realistic
vapid crypt
Honestly I would go as far as maybe consider getting a cheap card that will run what you play just fine and sell your 2080 now
fleet canopy
Fucking modern warfare looks like utter fucking shit and toooooo damn pixelated without using the highest goddamn AA forced by RTX
vapid crypt
Its gonna depreciate a lot
torn ferry
What card though?
eternal cairn
It does look nice, but it only appeals to such a small selection of people who prefer added details in their game rather than FPS.
torn ferry
Wow, $1200 for a 1080 Ti, amazing pricing.
eternal cairn
I think that's a 2080 TI.
vapid crypt
New old stock
fleet canopy
Because
eternal cairn
Oh, it's those loser sellers trying to scam people.
torn ferry
1080 Ti isn't made anymore.
eternal cairn
I wish Amazon would just shut their accounts down.
fleet canopy
Just look for less priced one
vapid crypt
Used it runs for 450 or less
fleet canopy
400-500$
torn ferry
While Amazon doesn't shut down a seller selling a 1 ounce bottle of sanitizer for 7 dollars.
fleet canopy
Honestly he could just keep the GPU and use it more
eternal cairn
No point if the market value drops.
vapid crypt
Oh that reminds me of this dude in Australia that lost his ebay account from trying to price gouge toilet paper and sanitizer
And got told to fuck off when he tried to return to the store he got it from
torn ferry
If I were to buy a cheap card and sell the 2080, what is the cheap card that you suggest I buy?
eternal cairn
A 1070.
fleet canopy
Yeah sounds good
eternal cairn
You can get them for like $200.
vapid crypt
Hmm yeah that would be okay if you get one for like 200 bucks or less
eternal cairn
Maybe less.
torn ferry
Don't I need to clean a card and get a box for it before selling it?
vapid crypt
If you wanted to go new the 1660 Super would perform similarly, I suppose it wouldn't compare necessarily since it has lower memory bandwidth but that's how it is
eternal cairn
You can use compressed air or one of those special brushes.
And yes, a box is most certainly needed. It doesn't have to be the original box though.
fleet canopy
What about a 2060?
torn ferry
I saw someone using a vacuum in blowing mode but holding the fans while using it.
eternal cairn
2060 is too expensive.
fleet canopy
Especially a KO, since they are cheaper ish iirc
torn ferry
I like the look of the Gaming X Trio cards.
Though it's probably because I want a clown vomit PC.
eternal cairn
A 1070 is sufficient enough for 1080p60 (and I think 1440p60).
vapid crypt
Yeah it'll handle 1440
fleet canopy
Looks aren't what you want to go when getting a downgrade GPU
vapid crypt
Uh considering they aren't supporting game performance drivers, some new games might not perform that great
I mean for Pascal that is
eternal cairn
He's only gonna be using his downgraded card until like September or so, right?
torn ferry
How much does the 2060 cost?
vapid crypt
Sure, just something to be aware of
fleet canopy
Yeah september
eternal cairn
2060 is $350.
fleet canopy
At least around September
vapid crypt
And the cheapest ones are around 300
fleet canopy
Then maybe a month or so for aftermarkets
torn ferry
How much could I sell my 2080 for reasonably?
eternal cairn
Whatever the current selling price is on eBay on Amazon.
You can sell it for the same price as new.
vapid crypt
I think 500ish would probably be reasonable, considering it is a used card
eternal cairn
But it still depends on the current market value of it is.
eternal cairn
A used GPU doesn't reduce the price.
fleet canopy
When selling a used, it should be lower
abstract kite
@eternal cairn so i can then sell my 1070 for 600$ cause i paid that for it XD
fleet canopy
Cause no one is buying a used for MSRP
eternal cairn
That's never the case on eBay, @fleet canopy.
abstract kite
i actually paid 600-700$ for my 1070 in croatian stores
fleet canopy
Dumb
torn ferry
Is $584 for a 2070 Super above MSRP?
eternal cairn
Yeah, you got scammed if you just bought it for that price.
vapid crypt
The MSRP is 499
fleet canopy
He's croatia man
abstract kite
^^
fleet canopy
Currency is dumb
abstract kite
no the currency is fine but VAT is shit
eternal cairn
@fleet canopy Check out some of the Nvidia cards on eBay. The used ones usually sell for the same as new.
torn ferry
If a product says "In stock on insert date here", is that subject to change for any reason?
eternal cairn
It can, but it's not likely.
abstract kite
cause u pay 25% extra
vapid crypt
I've been hearing about VAT stuff, sounds rough
abstract kite
yea
xd
its like 25% on everything in life
coffee in croatia is like 3€
but realistically without VAT it should be 1€
im speaking of
coffee shops
when u go and buy like cup of coffee XD
to buy coffee you spend 10€
actual powder i mean
vapid crypt
Yeah that's not really any different here, the reason here is because marketing is powerful
abstract kite
Did u guys see the possible 3080 leak
vapid crypt
Yes
abstract kite
i hope its true
the specs
atleast
xD
It looks hot ngl
it looks shit XD
LMFAO
the design
shhh
torn ferry
Is it easy to clean a GPU?
abstract kite
yes
fleet canopy
It's ugly
vapid crypt
I suppose but we don't know how it will perform until reviewers get their hands on it
torn ferry
What size of a screwdriver do I need to disconnect a graphics card to clean it?
abstract kite
the one with cross
fleet canopy
Unless the air travels from one side and goes out another
abstract kite
any should do... but get the one with big grip
so it would be easy to unscrew
and screw
vapid crypt
Well it has two fans, they're on different sides
abstract kite
@vapid crypt if i recall i saw it being like 4380 cuda cores
coffee phillips is not a size 
shhh
i told him to get big grip
vapid crypt
Right, they're making the 3080 a 102 die which is pretty amazing to see
Since they've been using 104 since Maxwell
vapid crypt
Heavily sandbagging the 80 class
abstract kite
like 4 months?
vapid crypt
And then there's talk of them rebranding the 80ti to 90
So that just tells me they're gonna retain the high ass price
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
Marketing at its finest
vapid crypt
Yes indeed
vapid crypt
Well we don't know the prices yet
I'm talking about the so called 3090 rebrand
Logic dictates they would do that in order to justify a high price point
abstract kite
1174 dolar <--- this is the price that RTX 2080 supers goes in my country
xD
the most expensive that is
Looks like it’s the real one as it’s close to this
fleet canopy
Should be the same price, being 700USD MSRP for 2080 and a 700USD MSRP for 3080
abstract kite
m a t e
vapid crypt
Its weird considering the only time they used 90 in a card was for dual gpu cards
abstract kite
the prices dont lie in my country
im gonna be paying 1170$
for fucking 3080
so fuck my life
fleet canopy
What if it actually is a dual?
abstract kite
im probs not even going for it then
vapid crypt
I doubt it, cause that's not something anyone cares for. And if anything would be a dual GPU it would be the Titan
Shit the 3000 price tag actually doesn't look so bad if that were the case
jade ermine
It has small PCB so they could make dual card
buuuut dual cards in 2020
dunno mate
vapid crypt
I don't buy it either
abstract kite
dual cards is dual fans right
jade ermine
not always
abstract kite
jade ermine
look at titan z
vapid crypt
If the 3090 thing is true, I think they're just doing a rebrand of the 80ti class
vapid crypt
Uh probably not
abstract kite
vapid crypt
Unless the 90 is a dual gpu
fleet canopy
It'd be stupid not having a Ti
vapid crypt
Not necessarily
fleet canopy
That's kind of NVIDIA's thing
vapid crypt
For the longest time the 80 card would always be the top end for consumers
fleet canopy
But eh, dunno what it'll be really
vapid crypt
Then they started rebranding a making higher price segments above that
vapid crypt
Its kind of shitty to see, cause going by die sizes; we've been getting a mid range die on the 80 class for a while now
jade ermine
my peasant die
abstract kite
when they released 20 series right
how long did it take the other manufacturers to make custom cooling
jade ermine
with turing you got aib cards almost instantly
abstract kite
so during first month?
jade ermine
ye
abstract kite
ok awesome
abstract kite
xD
restive garnet
Nvidia supplies the reference pcb designs to aib partners well before launch, but there is usually an agreement to wait a certain amount of time after the founders edition launch to release theirs, most of the time its like a week, sometimes a month
By memory though, most companies that make third party cooling like ekwb usually dont get the same treatment
I seem to recall ekwb werent stocking blocks for certain models because they had to wait longer than the aib partners
vapid crypt
Seeing as there's an unusual reference PCB this time, It'll be interesting to see some of the designs they'll have
restive garnet
Assuming that recent leak holds true
With the double sided cooler
We might end up with double sided water blocks
Which would be absolutely fucking wild
vapid crypt
I believe it is true, because as crazy as the internet could be I kinda have some hope that a 3d printing aficionado wouldn't make a concept 3080 as a prank 
restive garnet
I mean, with the amount of consistency between different diagrams/pictures/models, i wouldnt be surprised if at the minimum it is an official nvidia concept
Like those crazy concept cars that never see the light of day
vapid crypt
To be fair we don't know how old the images are, but even if it is a recent concept they may just settle for what they've been doing. its a matter if it works well or not
restive garnet
Im curious about the implications of double sided coolers
Is it just to add additional cooling to the back of the PCB?
Or is it because double GPU?
Or extra RAM chiplets on the back?
fleet canopy
Hm.
vapid crypt
Could be all of that, or simply an experimental cooling concept they've been testing
Though the rumor of a 3090 continues to exist so now double gpu isn't necessarily off the table
restive garnet
Its just weird considering the chanhe in reference coolers from pascal to turing
Though it could even be that the leaked model is a 3090
vapid crypt
But its labeled 3080
restive garnet
Eh
Whether that makes it to 3080 or not is another question
Might be an early concept that only makes it to the 3090
Or, relatively early concept
Considering its supposed to be launched in the next 6 months
jade ermine
@restive garnet double sided cooler?
restive garnet
Search the chat for tweaktown
jade ermine
restive garnet
Apparently i mistook something there
vapid crypt
Well in any case that reference PCB would fit the EK branding perfectly
restive garnet
When i first looked, i swore it was a PCB sandwiched between two heatsinks
jade ermine
Imagine this is the cooler and PCB ends at middle fan
third one is just on another side of that heatsink
restive garnet
Yeah no, i get it now
jade ermine
restive garnet
I didnt need you to explain it lol, i just mistook it at first glance
jade ermine
ayay
restive garnet
Im wondering how that will affect the size of coolers tho
And pcbs in general
I cant see them wanting to go above 300mm long cards
Because a lot of cases only have a touch over 300mm clearance
vapid crypt
I want to say most now easily have 350mm clearance
jade ermine
FE cards can be totally different from what we are used to
restive garnet
So if the cooler length remains the same, does the pcb end up shorter
And if so, does aftermarket cooling like blocks end up shorter
vapid crypt
I suppose there will simply be a variety of cooler sizes
jade ermine
hope so, i have like 1mm of clearance with my current GPU
vapid crypt
Hmm come to think of it going by the reference design, we don't know how long it is
restive garnet
297mm strix 1080ti, 25mm fan, 27mm rad, 350mm clearance
Exactly 1mm spare
It was a bitch to get the radiator in there
Couldnt put the radiator in first because i wouldnt be able to get the card jn, and i had to drop the radiator in from above with an inverted mobo
I think i had to leave the radiator sitting in the case on an angle, mount the card and then slide the radiator in from below
torn ferry
Does the Asus ROG Matrix 2080 Ti still exist?
restive garnet
In what regard?
Is it still being manufactured?
I dont know, probably not
Is it still available for purchase?
Probably, at the least i think they are still available here, in the very few places that stock them
I stand corrected, it is not available here anywhere as far as i can find
lime field
Hi, can anyone tell me what determines how powerful or capable a processor is? And what is this 7nanometer feature everyone speaks of and what does it do for the chip? Thanks
restive garnet
thats a bit of a tough question
without going into major architectural differences, the main factors are core count, simultaneous multithreading, and clock frequency
sick reef
A drill can solve many clearance issues by moving things
restive garnet
in a general sense, more cores allows it to perform better when doing lots of small tasks, such as rendering or file sorting
multithreading allows a core to be split in to two logical cores which can do tasks simultaneously, but not to the same extent as a physical core
hence why cpus might have 8 cores/8 threads in the case of no multithreading, or 8 cores 16 threads if it has multithreading
clock frequency is just the frequency of it completing operations, generally speaking, faster is better
clear quartz
@lime field how many operations can a cpu do per second, 7nm is basically the distance between a transistor, meaning you can have more transistors therefore more power, 7nm is surprising enough since going smaller can end up rendering the transistor useless
vapid crypt
^
restive garnet
there is a little bit more to transistor density than that
fleet canopy
It makes it more effective though, yeah?
Lower the nanometers being nm, the more you can get
restive garnet
probably the main other thing to note is that as you increase density, effective resistance per transistor goes down, allowing for greater power efficiency and lower heat generated
basically, yeah
fleet canopy
And iirc it also like, improves temps?
vapid crypt
As the transistors get smaller and allow for more space to be utilized, this effectively means more performance while using less power. Its why you have the 3950X a 16 core processor using 100 less watts than the 10900K at 10 cores. The 10900K is on an older 14nm node, and being pushed to its limit
fleet canopy
Yeah
clear quartz
there's a limit to how smol you can get a transistor too
fleet canopy
They might get it even smaller than you would think!
restive garnet
yes and no
fleet canopy
Can't just assume AMD aren't aliens!
vapid crypt
Though honestly, a lot of it is marketing
restive garnet
TSMC are expecting to hit 2 nm by 2030
vapid crypt
Like 12nm was literally just a better 14nm
fleet canopy
lol wack
restive garnet
and potentially 1 nm after that
lime field
So in essence more cores equal more power?
fleet canopy
Let's sayyyy
restive garnet
in other tasks, not necessarily
vapid crypt
More cores is really only faster in situations where more and more cores can be utilized to get a task done
fleet canopy
We have a CPU with 12 cores, and all are clocked at 3.5GHz ( Gigahertz )
There's a 8 core that are all clocked to 5GHz ish
Depending whatever it is, the 8 core can beat a 12 core
vapid crypt
Gaming, at least in the past decade typically has been single threaded; so it would only use 1 core. This isn't the case all the time of course, its just when it comes to programming games this was the typical thing. Though honestly one would say you need at least 4 cores, but that's changing quite a bit in the last couple of years for a lot of AAA games
fleet canopy
So for gaming, the 8 core 5GHz will beat a 12 core 3.5Ghz
Soon enough AMD is going to have a better hand or Intel's still perfectly fine in gaming maybe
vapid crypt
Like Battlefield 5 as an example could easily utilize 10 threads
fleet canopy
Just gotta drop the 14nm
restive garnet
probably the best example of this is AMDs ryzen 3950X vs their threadripper 3990X
16 core /32 thead against a 32 core/64 thread
clear quartz
that GAAFET seems like an kweel work around tunneling
vapid crypt
The 3990X is 64 cores
restive garnet
was it?
vapid crypt
Yeah its the 3970X that's 32 core
restive garnet
ah, may have my numbers mixed up
lime field
Appreciate the replies everyone, helped me alot
fleet canopy
Yeah it's weird keeping track
If you need any help, any questions, feel free to ask here!
lime field
I will
vapid crypt
Easy to do, um I remember hearing about a 48 core 3980X but I don't think that's gonna be happening
restive garnet
in any case, the threadripper with twice as many cores, is handling highly threaded tasks roughly twice as fast
fleet canopy
Yeah no
I wouldn't expect a 3980X
Did we ever have a 2980X now you're saying that?
restive garnet
cant remember tbh
fleet canopy
Ehhh
vapid crypt
Its was sometime last year that it was mentioned after the 3990x being announced
fleet canopy
Probably not
restive garnet
i only really started caring about ryzen at the 3k series
vapid crypt
But it wasn't official merely a rumor
Well 2nd gen threadripper capped out at 32 cores
restive garnet
not an intel fanboy my any means, but i feel like before 3k ryzen was still maturing
vapid crypt
2990WX I think they called it
fleet canopy
Same, Ryzen 3000 caught my eyes
vapid crypt
And yeah there was no 2980WX
restive garnet
i think the massive leapfrog over intel was a bit spectacular
vapid crypt
Just 70 and 90
fleet canopy
40, 50, 60, 70, 90
restive garnet
while they were struggling to add 2 extra cores, amd were just like fuck it
heres a 16 core mainstream desktop cpu
fleet canopy
They being Intel?
restive garnet
ye
vapid crypt
Their chiplet architecture is pretty brilliant, its just a matter of ironing out latency
vapid crypt
Running at 10000W using an industrial chiller
fleet canopy
Mmm
vapid crypt
Actually that'd be wicked I'd want to see it
fleet canopy
Needs better cooling
restive garnet
same tbh
fleet canopy
Shintel heating up the world smh
fleet canopy
That's why global warming is a thing
vapid crypt
They did that with the 28 core Xeon or something?
fleet canopy
fucking intel
clear quartz
what AMD did was absolutely brilliant
restive garnet
the 3175?
vapid crypt
I just recall them overclocking a high core count Xeon to 5ghz all core on an industrial chiller
restive garnet
that sounds like the W3175
vapid crypt
Which they didn't disclose the cooling method originally
restive garnet
yeah, just a couple of pipes sneaking off back stage
torn ferry
$879 for a renewed 2080 Super.
vapid crypt
Got flamed massively when people found out cause they made it out to be like it was gonna be an actual product one could buy and use no problem
fleet canopy
Don't touch renewed
restive garnet
i mean, tbf
vapid crypt
But it was just a stunt to I guess make people forget about Threadripper
restive garnet
what part of 28 core @ 5 ghz on all cores sounded reasonable to you
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
Nothing
vapid crypt
But that's not the point, the less technically inclined wouldn't understand any of that
restive garnet
but could it run crysis?
torn ferry
$1018 for a "Used, Very Good" 2080.
vapid crypt
They hear 5ghz 28 core that's it, marketing at its finest. Maybe they'll go buy an intel laptop or something
clear quartz
can it run RDR2?
fleet canopy
Can it run minesweeper?
restive garnet
i think most people in the market for such a CPU would have the basic knowledge of, the more powerful something is, the more cooling it needs
clear quartz
^^
vapid crypt
So you would be amazed to know, the 3990X can run Crysis in Software configuration on its own
restive garnet
seen it
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
lmao
vapid crypt
Oh 100%
fleet canopy
If it runs, it runs
vapid crypt
Though actually if I recall correctly that would have been acceptable framerates when the game came out
fleet canopy
All pure CPU power? No integrated GPU, yeah?
restive garnet
running a glorified tech demo designed for graphics cards that didnt exist, entirely off a CPU
absolutely insane
vapid crypt
Yeah straight up just the CPU rendering it
fleet canopy
It's pretty wild AMD managed to do that
restive garnet
probably, i think it was anywhere between 10-20 fps
fleet canopy
You'd think it would have been some time
restive garnet
which sounds about right for crysis 1
vapid crypt
When Crysis was new, 24FPS was the golden number
fleet canopy
It'll be shitting bricks
restive garnet
i dont wanna talk about the remaster
fleet canopy
Hahaha
vapid crypt
If you could do that, you had a beast machine
restive garnet
because its either going to live up to the but can it run crysis memes
or it wont
clear quartz
i mean amd is competing against Intel and Nvidea at the same time
restive garnet
and either way is going to be perfectly acceptable to the community
fleet canopy
Ray tracing everywhere, it'd take a 3080 Ti perhaps to even run it stable
vapid crypt
I mean the Crysis sequels still carry that meme true
restive garnet
id argue that the term competing doesnt really apply to nvidia
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
Should I still wait for 3000 series?
restive garnet
yes
fleet canopy
NVIDIA's got it alllll right
vapid crypt
Isn't the second game a pain in the ass to run cause drivers don't support the game or something
fleet canopy
idk
restive garnet
either the rumors are true, in which case it is definitely worth waiting
or they arent
in which case you pick up a cheaper rebound CPU
fleet canopy
You're better off just waiting
restive garnet
guarantee there will be some dick head with 2x2080tis who will sell them and buy 2x3080tis as soon as they release
clear quartz
are AMDs GPUs still burning hot?
fleet canopy
lmfao
torn ferry
I really want to do my first build as soon as possible, but a lot of the parts I want for aesthetics that are out of stock.
jade ermine
There is always that guy
clear quartz
lol
restive garnet
AMD gpus from what ive been hearing are really hot in terms of heat:performance
vapid crypt
The burning hot meme was just the 290X not getting AIB cards for a year
fleet canopy
They wouldn't care if they dropped 3,000$ for 2x3080 Ti
torn ferry
I'm pretty sure a black PSU won't look good in a white case.
restive garnet
but the 2080ti's still take the cake for most heat overall
fleet canopy
What case will you be getting @torn ferry
vapid crypt
So the shrowd cooler was just lol I'm gonna thermal throttle at 300W
jade ermine
PSU shrouds dude, PSU shrouds
restive garnet
also, depending on what AMD cards you get from certain AIB partners, apparently AMD supplied bad specifications and some cards ended up running hot because of it
vapid crypt
I guess the same would apply to Vega, but in any case if you can make a shrowd cooler cool a 300W gpu I mean they kinda did it. Even if it was still fucking hot
torn ferry
For white cases, down to either the Thermaltake View 71, Crystal 570X, or the O11 Dynamic, @fleet canopy
jade ermine
@torn ferry My black psu looking real disgusting in my white case
restive garnet
thats not even that bad imo
clear quartz
looks good to me
restive garnet
certainly would look better in white, but its not terrible
fleet canopy
Goes nice to the rest of the little blacks
jade ermine
you dont smell sarcasm?
vapid crypt
Yeah man those black fittings, totally disgusting. What are you even doing
fleet canopy
Curse you
fleet canopy
If you're going for an 011 Dynamic, you won't need a white PSU
restive garnet
both literally and metaphorically
restive garnet
but yeah, dual chamber cases like O11 and 680x you dont even care about your power supplies looks
fleet canopy
clear quartz
I'm deaf and almost blinf
jade ermine
@vapid crypt Funny thing, Aliexpress guy said they were out of silver fittings so went with black ones
now its all mixed up...
clear quartz
F
restive garnet
im supposed to be wearing glasses
but i dropped them in the middle of a road
and they got run over
fleet canopy
Nice!
jade ermine
Silver on front black from rear situation
restive garnet
and im to cheap to replace them
vapid crypt
Okay, well I mean I was being facetious cause black goes well with white anyway 
fleet canopy
f
jade ermine
ying and yang
restive garnet
its always awkward explaining to the police why im not wearing glasses when i drive
clear quartz
my only question is why don't you have RGB?
fleet canopy
lol rgb
torn ferry
iCue 465X is in stock on Corsair it seems.
jade ermine
Thats so 2019
fleet canopy
What heck are gee bee?
clear quartz
they're chairs with RGB now
fleet canopy
kek
jade ermine
@clear quartz I have white ml120 pro's because i got 6 of them for 60 euros
fleet canopy
Wild
restive garnet
not a bad deal
jade ermine
only good black friday deal i found :D
clear quartz
noice
torn ferry
How is it when you buy something directly from the company's site as opposed to Amazon or Newegg?
restive garnet
i wouldnt know
fleet canopy
Same here
restive garnet
usually manufacturer websites only deliver to certain areas
almost never to new zealand
clear quartz
F
vapid crypt
Manufacturers seem to sell through those sites though
torn ferry
Does Corsair delivered to US?
vapid crypt
Like on Newegg it would say the seller is beQuiet! and then maybe shipped through Newegg as an example
restive garnet
unfortunately for NZ anything corsair has to go through the corsair importer in auckland
clear quartz
USA gets a lot of deliveries and products tbh
restive garnet
and the corsair importer wont deal with anyone outside of retailers
vapid crypt
Oh wait actually I got that wrong
Well in any case sometimes companies will sell and ship directly through Newegg or Amazon
clear quartz
@restive garnet but is there's only one importer?
restive garnet
yeah, only one
clear quartz
F
restive garnet
F
i was literally waiting 2 months to get my order of 2 LL140 fans
because the importer wasnt getting anything shipped in till then
torn ferry
Who did you order the fans from?
clear quartz
would have been easier to buy from the manufacturer
restive garnet
and the importer just gets a shipping container full of stuff every few months
cept i cant order through the manufacturer
they refuse to deal with anyone from NZ
they tell you to go through the corsair authorized importer
and he tells you to go through the retailers he supplies
torn ferry
So if I order the case directly from Corsair's website, would I be fine?
restive garnet
probably
i dont see why not
unless you lived in like
middle of nowhere in montana or some shit
or maybe hawaii
clear quartz
that's a big F for NZ
restive garnet
yeah, we get absolutely fucked over in terms of electronics
you pay an arm, a leg, and a kidney to get what little stuff you can get over here
torn ferry
How is the iCue 465x?
fleet canopy
Hm
restive garnet
not even kidding when i say a strix 2080ti is 2600 NZD
clear quartz
sounds quite profitable if you ask me but then again logistics are a pain
vapid crypt
Seems okay if that's the kind of case you're looking for
restive garnet
whenever we buy something, we have to pay tax on tax on tax
clear quartz
he at least you guys have lamb meat
torn ferry
Are there any downsides to the case, @vapid crypt?
restive garnet
thats expensive too 😦
vapid crypt
I wouldn't know I'm just going off what I'm seeing
clear quartz
F
restive garnet
google some reviews on it
i find the OC3D forums to be pretty comprehensive on cases
but its also a corsair case, so theres a decent chance there will be a gamersnexus review on it
vapid crypt
I mean the direct downside is the airflow isn't as good compared to a full mesh front case, but otherwise it does have about an inch of clearance for the glass so its not like its gonna throttle your hardware
torn ferry
I don't even know if my current case is good for airflow. XD
torn ferry
It's using the Slate 2 case from iBuyPower.
vapid crypt
It looks like this?
fleet canopy
Yeah ish
vapid crypt
Looks like a 510 elite
restive garnet
that looks garbage for airflow
torn ferry
I dislike Gamers Nexus in certain reviews since I just want him to get to the point on if the case is good or not and if it's worth my money.
restive garnet
yeah, thats a fair point
fleet canopy
What the case is
vapid crypt
But yeah its whatever
restive garnet
i dont watch so much of his stuff atm because he does his job a little bit too well
fleet canopy
You decide whether it's worth it or not
torn ferry
Here is shitty promotional video for said case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoitVS7BcE
restive garnet
and sometimes i prefer the lighter, more digestable content of otehrs
fleet canopy
You don't just get something because of "I want to know if it's worth it or not"
vapid crypt
Oh that's a different case then
Hmm
I would say that side venting is more style over function
restive garnet
in any case, that review i linked is full text and graph based
torn ferry
My GPU reached 83 Celsius when running GTFO.
fleet canopy
Epic!
restive garnet
or maybe you just need to play with your fan curves a bit
torn ferry
How much would it be in the iCue 465X? Better or worse?
restive garnet
read the review i linked
fleet canopy
I see posts where my GPU or better is posted, and it's got some higher tempos
restive garnet
look for the graphs on relative temperatures
fleet canopy
While I look at my PC and think; That really is some bad organization. Dunno how it works so damn well and stay at 60 celsius
torn ferry
I see the graphs, but what is he exactly doing for the test?
Is he running an intensive game or something?
vapid crypt
The stock config of that case is a couple degrees better than the stock Meshify C, so I would say it passes for adequate airflow
fleet canopy
He runs games, programs, etc.
vapid crypt
I mean its 3 intakes vs 1 intake in the case of the stock meshify
fleet canopy
Testing airflow, bunch of blah blah
vapid crypt
But you know
restive garnet
generally hes just running stress tests
restive garnet
things designed to put CPU and GPU strain anywhere from about 60-90% load
vapid crypt
Its fine, its not gonna throttle your hardware
fleet canopy
Messy cables, then it's not gonna be like what was shown in that video
vapid crypt
Its no Bitfenix Enso
Which I think they finally made a mesh version of that last year
restive garnet
thats probably the best chart to go off
its a standardized fan based test
where all the cases use the exact same number of the exact same type of fans, all running at the exact same RPM
the corsair case comes in about 9 degrees behind the O11 XL
which isnt terribly surprising, considering how well ventilated dual chamber cases can be
vapid crypt
Corsair has some dual chamber cases don't they?
torn ferry
680x and 280x.
fleet canopy
Epic
restive garnet
ive got the 680x and i absolutely love it
torn ferry
680x on Corsair not available.
restive garnet
its definitely different
torn ferry
I though the 680x and 280x was for people who are shit at cable management.
restive garnet
but particular in the case of the 280x
fleet canopy
Big chonkin heccin grey on front panel
restive garnet
they look really attractive when they are sitting on your desk
vapid crypt
Nah that's the lancool II
fleet canopy
restive garnet
they are certainly a lot easier for cable management
vapid crypt
Despite having the tempered glass back panel, they still have aluminum covers for the cables
restive garnet
but because the power supply and hard drives arent in the main section of the case, you can have full fan coverage across the entire interior of the case, except for the PCIE expansion brackets
fleet canopy
Sure, they're all nice
But how about this what in holy fuck epic case https://cougargaming.com/products/cases/conquer-2/
I'd def take it tho
But I'm simple
vapid crypt
Yeah its what's called an open air case
restive garnet
thats more one that youd expect to see at conventions, rather than on your desk
its a wee bit of an eye sore imo
fleet canopy
Yeah some have it tho
vapid crypt
The conquer 1 is even more open
fleet canopy
Case is like pretty meh tho yeah
vapid crypt
Its the lambo of cases
restive garnet
if you get anything from cougar
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
I like seeing that there's great airflow, it's a regular square not like some huurrr hurr alienware shit, and looks pretty nice
vapid crypt
Oh I forgot that existed
fleet canopy
V
U
vapid crypt
2 computers in one
restive garnet
i would honestly love it if it was ATX mobo in both sides
rather than ATX in one, ITX in the other
fleet canopy
Just have a server rack modified to fit some computers
restive garnet
been there done that
fleet canopy
Kek
restive garnet
all the pictures are on my old hard drive sadly
got a 4U server rack, stuck in a cheap gigabyte mobo and a pair of amd graphics cards
380s i think
cant remember
it was a while ago
i was building it for a mate who had a weird obsession with server racks
torn ferry
Is there anywhere that the white 680x is available?
restive garnet
there are some in stock here in new zealand
but shipping it over to the states would be expensive af im guessing
there is also the one on amazon that ships from italy
vapid crypt
Converting from AUD since the global site uses that, its 242 bucks USD, That's without the shipping though
I don't know how much it typically costs to import something, especially of that weight
restive garnet
the global pb tech site is mostly aimed at australians, big surprise
restive garnet
yeah, probably not a reasonable option
probably similar issues no matter what case you want tho
the whole corona virus thing has everything flipped upside down
vapid crypt
Well besides that I'm not sure I would personally trust importing something potentially fragile from such a far away place
restive garnet
neither tbh
vapid crypt
I say potentially fragile, but yeah glass will crack/shatter from impacts so
restive garnet
i can attest that the packaging on the 680x are good quality
but that only goes so far
one of the things that packaging cant really deal with is vibration
hence why noone likes shipping vinyl records
because they have a tendency to warp and become useless in transit
anything rigid with flaws goes the same way
hell, im sure i have pictures of my monitor that had a cracked screen before i sent it for service, and after they received it, but before they repaired it
the crack pretty much tripled in size from vibration alone
torn ferry
I think I'm going to go with the 465x.
vapid crypt
I mean its not a terrible performer considering its design
torn ferry
Do I need to buy all parts at the same time or order them as I go?
restive garnet
depends on how you want to do it
vapid crypt
If you can get everything within 30 days
That way if there's any problem you can easily replace it with the retailer
restive garnet
like, do you want to wait for sales, or do you already have existing parts etc
i think 30 days is probably a good time period
gives you a good opportunity to make sure everything is working, and get it RMAed if it isnt
torn ferry
How does a 2070 Super perform compared to a 2080?
fleet canopy
Little bit less
vapid crypt
~5 - 8%
fleet canopy
Great for 1440p 144hz gaming for competitive games, and can handle any game
abstract kite
^
fleet canopy
Except minesweeper
vapid crypt
Its the same die, it just has less shaders
fleet canopy
I can't fucking play minesweeper goddamnit
torn ferry
2080 Super on Newegg for $739, is that above MSRP?
abstract kite
Are you serious?
abstract kite
You have to remember there is a lot of price gouging right now
vapid crypt
Technically it is, but that's typical for AIB cards to be more expensive than MSRP
vapid crypt
They charge a bit more for their cooler
fleet canopy
A lot of manufactures will
vapid crypt
Some of them are at MSRP though
torn ferry
I'm unsure if I should get a white card so it fits with the aesthetic of the build, or just have the graphics card and PSU the only black parts in the system.
fleet canopy
Some of Gigabyte's are exactly at MSRP
Like the Gigabyte Windforce 3x trio
At least I think knowing I got that variant of my 2070 Super
abstract kite
I'd get the Nvidia brand of the 2070 Super. Something about Higher Quality parts?
fleet canopy
It's kind of shit iirc
vapid crypt
The FE models are pretty eh
fleet canopy
You're pretty much better off with MSRP aftermarket
vapid crypt
But they do use the best binned silicon
torn ferry
vapid crypt
So if you wanted to water cool, its the best option
torn ferry
The white edition of the Asus one is available on Amazon, but it's $200 over the MSRP.
restive garnet
nvidia do keep the best GPUs for themselves, but they also usually dont spend the same amount of time or money on their PCBs
torn ferry
$933 on Amazon for the white Asus RTX 2080 Super.
fleet canopy
I'd just avoid NVIDIA's offering entirely and go after an aftermarket