Minimum just do that ^
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
restive garnet
90% of the time, thats all you need
summer trout
yeaa blowing the dust out does a good enough job
torn ferry
I feel like I'd need someone to walk me through on everything.
vapid crypt
I think I'm gonna get one of those electric air blowers
restive garnet
Well, its almost like theres a whole chat room full of nerds that would love to
fleet canopy
I have one of those
torn ferry
Then how do you get the dust out if it falls in the PC somewhere? Vacuum but hold it far enough away?
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
It's like, one of those industrial air blowers I guess? Connect it to one of those thingies and it shoots air fast enough to fuck you up if you're really stupid
summer trout
oh that's a fancy air blower 
fleet canopy
Just get a lawn blower smh
void perch
Then how do you get the dust out if it falls in the PC somewhere? Vacuum but hold it far enough away?
@torn ferry Ask it nicely to leave
summer trout
^^^ 
torn ferry
Then my mother would ask me if something was wrong and she'd be very worried about me.
restive garnet
I wouldnt worry to much about the dust, as long as your temps are decent and there isnt a REALLY obvious buildup
My comp is probably due for a clean, but i cbf
fleet canopy
Mine ehh
Don't give a shit
I don't really see too much dust except on the front which is meh
restive garnet
I only ever clean my comp when im changing out parts
Which is about every 6 months
fleet canopy
I was supposed to be due for a card, learner's permit this year
vapid crypt
I've been cleaning every 3 or 4 months
vapid crypt
Everyone's stock dropped
restive garnet
Its been rough
fleet canopy
Yeah
restive garnet
Im down about 5 grand over these last few months
vapid crypt
That's why its been a good time to buy cause eventually it will go back up
Though no telling when now 
fleet canopy
When the XT comes out yeah
torn ferry
So right now the build is around $1800 if I reuse the graphics card I already have.
vapid crypt
Take off the cost of a 10600K and Z490 board and its gonna be like 1300
fleet canopy
Although it probably is okay
torn ferry
I still want a new board though.
torn ferry
I have never built a PC before.
restive garnet
Open loop cooling is daunting, buf fairly easy
For soft tubing anyway
Hardline is a bit messier
fleet canopy
hard tube is like
vapid crypt
I've never seen someone install that kind of tubing before
fleet canopy
Don't do
vapid crypt
Only ever seen the completed project
fleet canopy
Jayz did both
restive garnet
I do borosilicate glass tubing
fleet canopy
He should have some videos on it
restive garnet
Its an absolute nightmare
fleet canopy
I can imagine
restive garnet
Looks really nice tho
fleet canopy
I can't imagine
restive garnet
And you never have to worry about staining or clouding
vapid crypt
I'd be into a stainless steel or maybe a brass tube kind of look
restive garnet
You can get chrome plated tubes
But generally i prefer the transparent tubes
So you can see the water travelling
vapid crypt
I like a more muted appearance, a shine would probably be annoying
restive garnet
You can always frost your tubes
Just give them a light sand with some high crit sand paper
vapid crypt
Its not something I plan to do, but if I did that's more or less the style I would go for
fleet canopy
It's nice, sure enough to give a heart attack thinking it's got a shit build up
vapid crypt
I don't have anything worth going through the effort of open loop cooling anyway 
restive garnet
Rip
I want to, for my 1080ti and 8700k
But the 1080ti needs a non reference block
vapid crypt
Air works fine for what I have, RX 580 and 2600
restive garnet
And by the time i stick on 2x280mm rads plus pump, res, cpu block, fittings, tube and coolant, it ends up costing about 1300 bucks
fleet canopy
So about 1300$ and add another 1300$
restive garnet
Fittings alone are like 5 bucks a pop
And id need about a dozen
Just sad i missed the ekwb black friday sale a few years back
fleet canopy
f
restive garnet
40% off your order if it was more than like 800 bucks
fleet canopy
Dang
restive garnet
The last sale was like, up to 40% off
And half the stuff i wanted was only 10% off
fleet canopy
:(
restive garnet
All the RTX blocks were 40% off
fleet canopy
Sucks to miss on a great sale
fleet canopy
Yeah
restive garnet
Course by then ill be rocking a 3080ti ;)
fleet canopy
True lmfao
vapid crypt
I don't think you'll need an upgrade so soon
fleet canopy
Yeah
I just have to get a 2560x1440p 144hz, whatever panel it may be, faster RAM, and more storage is the important factor atm
vapid crypt
A new CPU could help, you're still on a 7700K right?
Faster Ram would only do so much if whatever you're playing doesn't have enough threads to work with
fleet canopy
Yeah
2400MHz is no fun
CAS16 too, so it's due for an upgrade since I'm going for Ryzen
vapid crypt
I was able to overclock my RAM the other day to 3200, technically 3200 C14, but the other timings are 17 so its not that great
In any case I think I was able to get like 5 more FPS in GTFO
vapid crypt
Well I had it at 2933 forever, with tighter timings
restive garnet
mines clocked up to 3866 mhz 😛
not sure on the CAS latency, but by memory i think it was CL18 or thereabouts
eternal cairn
😬
fleet canopy
Neat
fleet canopy
torn ferry
Should I be scared to take my package of the mouse pad that is arriving today?
torn ferry
I see on the track package updates that it is being delivered from an Amazon distribution center in Detroit though.
fleet canopy
Well that's fine
If it gets affected, it's not gonna come, and you'll get a different one
Same product, different delivery
Well I'm a bit vague
torn ferry
I'm more concerned about if the package will be infected when it arrives.
torn ferry
Since it can live on cardboard for 24 hours.
fleet canopy
It?
torn ferry
The virus can live on cardboard for 24 hours.
fleet canopy
That's probably not true
Well okay
It's true
Shouldn't really have the coronavirus anyways
We all gotta get food somehow, yeah?
They end up in the grocery stores, and we buy them
We pretty much do whatever we do with what we bought
Really really low chance of being infected anyways
wise pumice
I reckon you'll be alright bro, and if you're really worried then wear gloves when handling the package and disinfect it, then wash your hands and don't touch your face
restive garnet
^
Alternatively, quarantine it in your house for 2-3 days if you are really concerned
Not sure if the risk is high enough to warrant that, but then, the US have been hit really hard compared to us
We got lucky considering how incompetent my government is
fleet canopy
tbh it's just like
Major high populated high traffic areas that get hit
We still have to have masks, but honestly it isn't that bad
vapid crypt
The masks that do nothing for the healthy, but anyway forget about all that. I'm wondering if I should upgrade my gpu this month
fleet canopy
Depends what you got kek
vapid crypt
Its gonna be my birthday so I wanted to get myself something 
fleet canopy
Ah, that's pretty neat
vapid crypt
Anything would be an upgrade, but I don't know if it would be worth it considering new GPUs are inbound for Q4
fleet canopy
You could always buy a lower end of a lineup, if you don't have anything really special
vapid crypt
Nah the lower end stuff isn't much better than what I have already
vapid crypt
RX 580, like I said anything would be an upgrade; but it would have to be 50% better or more to be worth it imo
vapid crypt
I was planning on the 5700XT, the thing is I'm not sure if its a good idea to get now when new cards are at the end of the year
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Well I want to get a new case to support a bigger air cooler, so I suppose I could get that soon
fleet canopy
True
RX 580 is still good for some time
Probably isn't bound to keep up any time soon though
vapid crypt
Its fine, I'm doing 1080p 75hz so
vapid crypt
I don't tend to play super recent AAA games or anything
If I do it would be from like a year prior or something
viscid crescent
does someone here play star citizen? Can ryzen 5 3600 and 1050 ti run it
velvet sage
How hard do you have to pull to get a one-clip ddr4 out of of your motherboard, cuz mine isn't moving at all
velvet sage
yeah
fleet canopy
Yeah that locks it in place
fleet canopy
Well uhh
velvet sage
the other one doesnt move at all
fleet canopy
You'll have to get it to unclip somehow
velvet sage
I heard thats common for ddr4 but don't get it out there and I dont want to break it
ngl 8Gigs is trash might as well just break the clips and tape it or something like that bc it can't go on like this
fleet canopy
f
velvet sage
In the videos I watched it said its possible that you can only unclip one side but i dont believe you have to put 1000 Newtons into theer to get it out
left rose
try to clip both sides again and unclip the one that doesnt budge first
fleet canopy
If it is literally impossible to unclip it even with so much force, uhh
velvet sage
@left rose only one side is clip/uncipable the other one doesn't move at all
i tried just moving the whole clip to the side and pulling the RAM out but nothing worked
so I will kinda have to force-push my new 16 GB in there without the RAM breaking cuz a clip is easier to fix than a RAM card, and have to hope having the old one in isn't screwing with anything
vapid crypt
Some motherboards only has one clip that moves, and the other end is static. If that's the case it should come out
fleet canopy
But RAM stick doesn't come off
velvet sage
Ik this is pre-build but it should be able to remove the ram. I will find some way, maybe break it, maybe gonna sell mah PC and just get a better one, who knows
torn ferry
My RAM is just 2 solid green sticks.
vapid crypt
I've heard of RAM being inconvenient to replace, but only in like Macs and stuff like that. If its anything else it shouldn't be a problem to remove
fleet canopy
Probably super glued it in 
merry bay
If you know people that worked in the field, you'd hear stories where fairly alarming cases get optimistically brushed off as something else. Or employees making their best effort to hide it or circumvent measures to detect it so they clock in their usual hours. Happens every now and then.
Trusting companies over a "should" isn't exactly "brains".
Nothing wrong with being cautious, just do it within reason.
brisk badger
can the covid virus live that long without any host?
fleet canopy
It lives depending on whatever conditions is present in the environment
iirc a high enough heat kills it
abstract kite
Anyone have issues with GTFO not loading with a 2080ti?
vapid crypt
Nah its short lived under hot and humid conditions, I think as low as 25C with high humidity is enough to shorten its lifespan significantly enter UV light well the sun and we're talking 60 seconds or less. So yeah its not a big deal in most conditions, I saw a study that said that being exposed via surface contact is extremely low risk too.
torn ferry
QL120s or the Riing Quad fans?
abstract kite
@dense wasp im stuck on "waiting for system assets to initialize"
restive garnet
tbh, if you are dead set on either of those two, get the QL
from my experience with corsair LL fans, they are generally much nicer fans, and the software looks and works like it wasnt designed by a 4 year old
cant really say the same about thermaltake
also for reference, i own both LL and riing plus fans
fleet canopy
I think the QL is fairly more expensive than LL120?
restive garnet
i think so too, in any case, i think LL are more than adequate
fleet canopy
Yeah, and they look nicer with it being fully square instead of the QL
Makes it look like a thermaltake
abstract kite
@dense wasp with my 2060 i was, turns out i needed to validate my files. Problem solved!
vapid crypt
@torn ferry If you're still looking for a good case I think I found the perfect option https://www.amazon.com/quiet-pre-installed-BGW38-tempered-window/dp/B087D7KNL9
Well maybe not perfect necessarily, but its a good case
vapid crypt
Well I intend to get the black one personally
dense wasp
@abstract kite glad to hear!
torn ferry
@vapid crypt I want a case where you can see the front panel fans.
vapid crypt
torn ferry
I did like the Phanteks P400A.
But I also prefer the door kind of side panel.
Like the ones that swing open using a hinge.
vapid crypt
I don't know how many of those do that
The only case that comes to mind is Antec's O11 rip off case
vapid crypt
P120 Crystal hmm
torn ferry
Is there any modding that could be done to solve the problem of the stripped case screws?
vapid crypt
Kinda funny to think Antec had one of the most popular cases like 15 years ago, now they're making clone cases
Stripping is when the head of a screw is damaged and it makes it impossible to unscrew, what specific screws are you referring to?
Cause most screws for side panels on cases now are thumb screws
No risk of stripping
torn ferry
Gamers Nexus showed how easy the screws get cross threaded.
Like, he showed the screws not going straight or level with the glass.
vapid crypt
That's a different issue, unrelated to stripping. And I'm not sure if I've ever seen that happen personally
torn ferry
A comment says that issue happens when manufacturers use steel screws with aluminum threads.
vapid crypt
Hmm I see
torn ferry
"When starting a screw turn it backward (counterclockwise) until you feel the screw drop into the thread then turn it clockwise. If you do no not feel the screw drop into the thread correct the angle of the screw. This problem is prone on small gauge threads. This problem can be avoided if the case manufacturer uses a hard metal thread insert of medium gauge. At the very least brass like a Pem Insert."
torn ferry
The normal O11 Dynamic is in stock on NewEgg.
What would I be unable to do in the normal one that I can do in the XL one?
fleet canopy
Just like
Little less space, no matter though
It's just for like custom watercool
torn ferry
I'm fine that there wouldn't be the light strip on the front.
fleet canopy
Yeah, not really much special on it
torn ferry
Or the lame ROG certified sticker.
torn ferry
I received the package today for my mousepad.
And I was scared to shit today when I opened it.
fleet canopy
kek
vapid crypt
Why is that?
fleet canopy
Cor virus
torn ferry
Fearing the package was infected.
fleet canopy
Would never need to worry about
vapid crypt
You can't think that way, because then there would be no end to it
"What if that pack of chips was contaminated cause someone touched it, or the cashier had contaminated hands." Its not a healthy mindset
torn ferry
Why do I not need to worry about it?
vapid crypt
I'd go into detail but it would take too long. Though all you really need to know is the highest chance of getting it is by being in direct contact with someone who is contagious. Otherwise the virus doesn't last too long without a host, especially when its hot, humid and contact with the sun. The info about it lasting several hours or even days on certain surfaces I'm pretty sure was in a controlled environment that doesn't account for those factors.
torn ferry
I left the package out in the sunlight for about an hour or two.
vapid crypt
Uh... well good
fleet canopy
Delivery takes forever
vapid crypt
It dies a lot quicker that that, within a minute when it comes in contact with UV
torn ferry
But doesn't it die faster in humid weather as oppose to dry weather?
torn ferry
I opened it after the hour it was in the sunlight.
torn ferry
What is the purpose of a mouse bungee?
merry bay
ever had your mouse cable get caught on something, or sometimes drag more?
this creates a problem that you randomly have to use different amounts of force and not rely solely on muscle memory
torn ferry
Does it have a reason to exist or is it really a problem that not many people have?
merry bay
Your mouse cable has weight on its own. If your mouse is close to the edge of your table, it can weight down your mouse quite a bit. (probably more relevant for people with high sens)
fleet canopy
I don't have one, don't see need
It helps however to not get tangled on everything on my desk if I had one however
merry bay
Having your cable be always held ensures cable drag is the same or very similar at all times. This helps build useful muscle memory or just improves comfort
completely optional. You can jerry rig your cable to be suspended in your own way
Even having most of your cable on the table and not tense eliminates most of the issue
fleet canopy
late sorrel
yeah or like, is your cable slightly pulling because half of it is behind your table
I need to buy one
fleet canopy
Yeah that was also annoying too
fleet yew
Wireless gang
fleet canopy
wireless lol
Other than that, it's pretty neat that wireless is just as great as wired
abstract kite
I still use my old G Pro with a bungee. That gets rid of cable drag.
It's very similar to wireless now
muted relic
What the best PC to get
fleet canopy
That depends
Top tier? That's pretty expensive and kind of meh
Best price to performance? Still pretty good
muted relic
Transitioning from Laptop so anything would be better than this
muted relic
Just gaming and hentai, the usual
fleet canopy
How much will you pay? And what currency?
muted relic
Probably around 1,000 USD or slightly more if I buy it in parts ?
muted relic
Yea I need all that except a mouse lol
fleet canopy
kek
muted relic
Should I get RGB on everything ?
fleet canopy
That's only an option
muted relic
I thought all PC players have that
fleet canopy
Hah
muted relic
lol
limpid bone
Yo I was looking for the same thing I was a good ass CP build, would you recommend water cooling
fleet canopy
Water cooling overall is just for looks, but it can do good for higher end CPUs
limpid bone
ight you do that?
fleet canopy
Nah, didn't see a need for it since a Dark Rock Pro 4 is pretty good anyways
muted relic
Is that a god
fleet canopy
It's pretty good, yeah
limpid bone
is that your gpu?
fleet canopy
Not a GPU
fleet canopy
Yeah, almost wouldn't have fit in my case
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4XhB6R @muted relic
muted relic
Thanks man! If you were here with me I'd kiss you RGB style
proper wren
wut dis
That's not a bad parts list uwu
is almost like I built that for someone last week at work
velvet sage
Good News, I got my ram out
fleet canopy
Nice
velvet sage
now i got the "select prpoer boot device" error
wierdly enough setting the 1st boot NOT to the hard disk made t work
tardy tinsel
@abstract kite what are your pc specs?
restive garnet
water cooling is mostly an aesthetic thing, because at some point of cooling you'll reach a hard limit where your CPU's heatspreader can't bleed heat off fast enough for it to be cooled any further
which is why intel 8th gen CPUs were notorious for running hot, because they replaced the thermal interface between the die and heatspreader with low quality paste, which had significantly lower thermal conductivity
the main thing that actually stands out is that you can effectively cool your components from elsewhere, which is particularly useful in small form factor PCs, where you may not have room for a massive tower cooler, but you can fit a block and then mount a radiator elsewhere
it also sorta goes without saying that if you dont have room for a tower cooler, you probably have shit airflow as well which definitely doesnt help, even if you did have a full sized cooler
brisk badger
i dont think the 7th or earlier gens had better thermal pads underneath the die
restive garnet
at some point previous to 8th gen, they had it soldered up
5/6/7 or something
not sure exactly
brisk badger
8th gen just has higher TDP
soldered were only 1st and second gen
second gen being intels best lineup
and the 9th gen and onwards are soldered again
restive garnet
i mean
brisk badger
i do delidd all my intel cpus. well those from 2014 to 2017
vapid crypt
So Intel bases its TDP on base clocks
brisk badger
but the 7700k also run hot 😛
brisk badger
although it's a beast. using my 7700k @ 5400MHz for 2.5 years, 24/7 as server
running a highly demanding single threaded application
restive garnet
5400? fuck me
brisk badger
(with all power savings on so it can go take a nap when the last player left)
vapid crypt
I didn't know that clock was possible, must be a golden sample
brisk badger
well only 2 cores are active, 5300MHz with 4
i think most can do 5000MHz
then it'^s about fine tuning
like really fine tuning. initial boot volt, IMC voltages, adjusting ram etc
brisk badger
always make a backup of your bios if you overclock. nothiong worse to have it reset and forgot all values 😦
vapid crypt
Save and load function good to go
brisk badger
yes and no. using rog myself it does make profiles
restive garnet
also, not terribly familiar with 5th gen intel
brisk badger
it still can get erased in rare cases, like with bios updates
restive garnet
but their most relevant thing to a mainstream i7 was a 65W TDP, but it was also only a 4 core
brisk badger
5th gen? I think this was more workstation AFAIK
vapid crypt
Honestly Broadwell is a largely overlooked arch
vapid crypt
Would have been good if they continued to build on it, but they went the way of Skylake
restive garnet
everything else was on 2011
brisk badger
the issue is, not many need it
abstract kite
@tardy tinsel i have no clue
brisk badger
for a bit more and you get server hardware almost
restive garnet
thats one of the things i like about AMD atm
mainstream server CPUs 😛
you can build a pretty kickass home server for a few hundred
brisk badger
that's true definetily. For critical apps although still not enough since none supports memory error correction
or maybe they do but I doubt
restive garnet
probably not an issue on a home server
vapid crypt
ECC right?
restive garnet
if its just file servers/game servers running low volume
vapid crypt
Yeah I'm pretty sure they support ECC
restive garnet
i think its probably on a board my board basis
brisk badger
uflsaar can already tell you, neither of those services require high core count :p
but it^s great if you have something like plex where you host moves and you can transcode on the fly
restive garnet
so apparently ryzen unofficially supports ECC
like, they themselves admit it works
brisk badger
so you can serve the movie to any client no matter what file types he supports
restive garnet
but they won't provide any official support for it
vapid crypt
It just works
restive garnet
who the fuck let todd howard in?
vapid crypt
No, not Todd Howard; Jensen Huang
vapid crypt
They've both famously said it actually
vapid crypt
But since Jensen is the Nvidia guy its more appropriate
restive garnet
true
also, i7 4770/4790 84/88W TDP respectively
i dont think its so much of a TDP increase on 8th gen as a change in thermal interface
brisk badger
i mean they surely know it from an engineering standpoint but I guess it^s not 100% correcting so if there is a business with the briliant idea buying those CPU and then complaining they can alsways fall back to their statement :p
at one point its going to be used for marketing but it's probably too early, ecc ram is too expensive
restive garnet
it just gets me that it probably only costs them a few dollars per CPU at the most
though yeah, the whole ECC thing i think is the same as z490 boards that have PCIE 4 support
future proofing, even if you dont plan on using it
for both features, its only a bios update away
vapid crypt
Does that even work with the current gen cpus or is that just so if people decide to get Rocket Lake?
restive garnet
not sure
intel deny it
a few big people in the industry confirm it
hard to tell either way
i believe there was an ex intel engineer who said something along the lines of, the CPUs have the capability, but it still has issues they couldnt fix so they didnt want to have open access to it
but intel just blatantly say that their CPUs dont have PCIE 4 capability and they dont know why AIB partners added PCIE 4 support to their boards
fleet canopy
Because why not.
vapid crypt
They're just annoyed that they aren't going to sell as many Z590 Chipset boards next year
fleet canopy
Hah
restive garnet
lmao
brisk badger
ECC? no i dont think so. THe internal memory needs to be capable of understanding a BIOS update alone wont help but i am not a hardware engineer
*internal memory controller (IMC)
restive garnet
apparently its basically down to AIB partners as to whether the mobos will support it
like, its up to asus which of their boards support ECC
so some might, some might not, but its still an option in bios
brisk badger
Yes but a bios cannot reprogram a cpu, its... For the bios chip. Correcting memory is not an easy job and needs a chain of workers (devices) that understand this
restive garnet
no, but if the CPU and mobo already have hardware level support for it, all it takes is a bios to enable it
AMD have already acknowledged that ryzen based CPUs CAN utilize ECC memory, but that it isn't something that they will officially support, so if it doesnt work properly, not their fault
torn ferry
Thermaltake Riing Quad fans or Corsair QL120 fans?
vapid crypt
Like I said they have lots of leftover 12nm silicon from Gloflo and they gotta use it
fleet canopy
Yeah but I'm surprised they're making a 1200AF
vapid crypt
Not really
I mean they're gonna have varying quality silicon, generally they probably have lower and average quality left
So what better than providing lower end chips for those markets that are looking for it
restive garnet
As i said Shawn, I dont think you need either of them because corsair LL fans are fantastic as is, but if you have your heart set on them, corsair QL any day of the week
i could spend a lot of time talking about my experience with thermaltake riing fans, but the easiest way to sum it up is that corsair fans have been consistently better to work with across the board than thermaltake fans, from their respective series.
every single complaint i have about thermaltake fans has not been an issue with corsair fans
torn ferry
Why the LL over the QL?
fleet canopy
I've not seen QL ratings, but I've seen a lot of good ratings for LL
torn ferry
QL is basically double sided LL fans.
restive garnet
there are a few reasons
probably 3 main ones that i can sum up
they arent especially huge, mostly personal preference
first off, the listed MSRP for a triple pack of QL is 140USD vs 130 for the LL
no guarantee if that will be reflected at retail level tho
if it is only a 10 dollar difference, not a huge issue tho
secondly, the shape of them is different
LL fans have a squared off edge so that you cant see the outside loop from outside the fan
this is an example of what i mean in regards to the shape of QL fans
https://www.corsair.com/medias/sys_master/images/images/hf9/h28/9452557664286/-CO-9050098-WW-Gallery-QL120-RGB-11.png
other than that, because of the extra LEDs and power draw from QL fans, there are limitations as to how many fans and how they are connected to corsair hubs
torn ferry
Can't I just use a Commander Pro?
restive garnet
yes and no
torn ferry
Why?
restive garnet
you can use a commander pro
fleet canopy
Commander Pro?
restive garnet
but it can only output certain amounts of power
fleet canopy
Software?
restive garnet
nah, commander pro is a glorified fan hub
fleet canopy
ah
restive garnet
its actually pretty good
comes with temperature sensors, has 2 internal USB 2.0 ports and can have addressable RGB strips or the RGB fan hubs attached as well as having fans
torn ferry
Can you only use Corsair RGB strips with the Commander Pro?
restive garnet
i think so, but im not overly familiar
i have a commander pro myself, but havent gotten around to RGB strips yet
its 80 bucks over here that i just cant justify most of the time
torn ferry
Which RGB strips are the best?
restive garnet
hard to quantify any particular strips as being the best
royal furnace
Why do you need that?
restive garnet
cant say im familiar with afterburner
as for RGB strips, it really depends on how much time and effort you want to devote to alternate software for the most part
i have a razer chroma HDK i got for free a few years back, which is pretty dope
but i also use razer peripherals, so not a big deal for me
id say if you get corsair RGB fans, its a no brainer to make use of the commander pro and RGB strips
makes it piss easy to sync up all the lighting effects
otherwise you have to spend a lot of time and effort trying to manually sync the effects up, or use a half assed software which is usually prone to glitches or crashes to sync it
torn ferry
I want to use the Phanteks Neon strips.
royal furnace
How many trbs are too many. I currently can run 6 on my setup and I’m ordering two more. Do I need to upgrade to a level 6 fan to be able to cool them without overloading my ZOA?? Any tips appreciated
torn ferry
Yea, and they have these things you can mount to bend them around your case.
restive garnet
the lighting on them is absolutely fantastic
but they can be a little bit annoying to work with
torn ferry
How are they controlled?
royal furnace
CAN YOU GUYS STOP IGNORING ME
royal furnace
Thanks 😁
restive garnet
dng, what did you mean in your last comment?
maybe im just half asleep, but half of that doesnt even look like english to me
royal furnace
G2g. Bedtime
restive garnet
mostly the part about trbs, level 6 fans and ZOA
none of that makes sense to me
back to RGB strips i guess
those phanteks ones can be a little bit fiddly to install, given the nature of them
also, lighting effects would be annoying to sync between corsair and phanteks
manufacturers generally hate working together
the other thing to consider, is that those phanteks ones are designed to be looked at directly
most other RGB strips are designed to face away from you
so you only see the light reflection
torn ferry
Though I'm thinking about using the LS100 strips, but dismantling them like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7vmGSFqfpE
restive garnet
theres a decent amount of work involved in that
and it really depends on whether you want to see hot spots or not
torn ferry
Hot spots?
restive garnet
see towards the end of that video
the bare strip vs full strip comparison
the bare strip has what are called hotspots
torn ferry
Like, the individual connectors?
restive garnet
more like spots where the light is brighter than others
like
the full strip is diffused so that the light is equally bright along the whole strip
rather than being especially bright on top of where each LED is
torn ferry
How is that different from the lighting node pro strips?
torn ferry
But doesn't the lighting node pro strips technically also have hot spots?
restive garnet
if you are referring to the strips before he disassembles them, yes, but they arent as noticable
because the light is diffused
like if you shine a laser at frosted glass
the light gets spread out across the surface
torn ferry
I know, but isn't the plain strip basically the exact same to the normal lighting node pro strips?
restive garnet
probably, yeah
in which case, you would end up with an effect like this within your case
instead of the light being spread out a bit more, and blurred together, so there arent any gaps between them
torn ferry
But that's all lighting strips that don't use a diffuser.
restive garnet
pretty much yeah
snow rain
hey guys i need help while gaming my gpu remains on 10 - 20% usage and cpu reaches to 100% usage
snow rain
cpu i5 8300h gtx 1050ti
restive garnet
and what resolution/frame rate targets?
snow rain
1920*1080
fleet canopy
Wack
restive garnet
i would have immediately pinged a cpu bottleneck
fleet canopy
Lower resolution = CPU is used more I guess
fleet canopy
Yeah
restive garnet
maybe at 720 or 480
fleet canopy
Unless he's playing one of those uh
restive garnet
even on a low-mid range mobile cpu
fleet canopy
CPU heavy games
snow rain
but if the cpu bottlenecks the gpu why would they make a laptop with these specs
fleet canopy
Because it's good
restive garnet
game by game basis
snow rain
alight thanks guys
restive garnet
so the higher your resolution, the lower your frames
the less work your CPU needs to do, and the more work your GPU needs to do
but i dont think that is your issue
some games just dont like using particularly large amounts of certain video card architectures
like, me trying to play 7 days to die on my 1080ti, even when im on like 40 fps, the game stops me from using any more than 34% of my card at a time
i suppose if you are playing a CPU heavy game like anno 1800 or something, that might be your issue
@snow rain
fleet canopy
I have absolutely no idea how I never actually restart or shut down my PC
Uptime is 4 fucking days lmfao
fleet canopy
When it hits 2-3 days it hits this uhh
restive garnet
i had about 20 gigs of page file
fleet canopy
Really bad lag and some FPS drop
restive garnet
probs coz your ram is all being clogged up by page file
fleet canopy
Yeah ig
restive garnet
fleet canopy
kek
restive garnet
restive garnet
4 days, and ive chewed up about 20 gigs
restive garnet
nearly 13 of that is cached shit
fleet canopy
I'm not entirely sure why it lags whenever I have 2-3 uptime
restive garnet
depends how much stuff is cached i guess
fleet canopy
Cause it hasn't happened before in years, and plus
restive garnet
which depends on what you do in those days
restive garnet
if you install lots of stuff, or play lots of different games, or leave to many google tabs open
it all eats it up
fleet canopy
Mm, true
restive garnet
chrome in particular is notorious for caching all its pages, which chews up your ram
inb4 im sitting here with about 40-50 tabs open
fleet canopy
I only have about 5 tabs open at times
restive garnet
not even kidding lmao
restive garnet
I LITERALLY DONT KNOW LMAO
fleet canopy
lmfao
restive garnet
i might look up a game walkthrough or something
then leave it open for a month
even if i only used it for like 5 minutes 1 time
one of those tabs was literally whatsmyip
torn ferry
So what is the disadvantage I will have with using the QL fans over the LL fans?
restive garnet
As i understand it, you just have to be careful about how many QL fans you attach to a lighting node
Maximum of 6 per node
Otherwise youll draw to much power and potentially fry it
royal furnace
Oh a maximum of 6. Thanks
fleet canopy
What if I had 9 fans?
restive garnet
So, you can attach up to 6 of any fan to a corsair rgb fan hub
And a max od 2 hubs to a lighting node pro
But you can only have a max of 6 fans between the two hubs for QL
Or 12 for anything else
Apparently that doesnt apply to the built in lighting node on the commander pro
sick reef
Maximum isn't about number, it's about amperage.
Also, Corsair Commander Pro is ass.
When it dies, it fucking dies.
You don't just lose one slot. You lose one, you're losing them all, within the span of a week or two.
restive garnet
While yes, it is about current, that is the number of fans to take it over the limit
There is a whole thread on the corsair forums if you want me to link it
And ive had my commander pro for several years now and its still working fine
spice tapir
Corsair gang
restive garnet
Also, to correct my previous statement, apparently corsairs icue software locks out anything after 6 QL fans to prevent it from overdrawing current
But no, please, go ahead and tell me more about how stuff works.
sick reef
Yeah, I could. Have you ever tried plugging in a, per example, 1.2A fan into a commander pro?
Also, apart from that, you have been lucky then, compared what I saw. I actually got one, thinking it'd be "okay", but you look it up online, the main mentions were of people who got one, had it break on them, and get a new one, had it break on them, though they appreciated it regardless. But their estimates were around 6 months to a year.
restive garnet
Literally never seen a post about anyones breaking
sick reef
My best guess as of why it happens is because they hot glue the main connector to the PCB, and if you bend it too much, or move it too much, it'll disconnect, and that will kill it.
restive garnet
At least, not anymore than normal
Tho i dont exactly go looking for posts about dying copros
2080tis directly after launch tho
sick reef
I do when mine dies on me, especially in the way it did.
restive garnet
Fair enough
My current mouse is going out the same way
Glue on the wires on the mouse wheel came off
fleet canopy
Epic
restive garnet
Cant be arsed pulling it apart to solder it
sick reef
Aye. Mice dying on me is somewhat of a bane.
sick reef
I think in most cases why they use glue, it's because of transport.
restive garnet
Wouldnt even go 6 months before my mouse died
sick reef
Yeah, I had that too.
eternal cairn
Welp, I bought more RAM.
fleet canopy
Cool
sick reef
Not for violent reasons. The tracer would just stop registering, or get jittery
restive garnet
Ooh, anything fun?
eternal cairn
16 GB wasn't cutting it.
I needed extra RAM for video editing (plus Chrome is trash).
restive garnet
My mamba has had a few issues over the years, mostly seems to be the cable being a bit weird or the sensor needing a clean
Should have a look at my screenshots above of my task manager
4 days uptime, about 50 odd chrome tabs open
20 gigs used
sick reef
I thought it would be that it needed a cleaning too, my mice, but that never helped.
Or well, one time it did help, but then it came back a week later, and was permanent.
restive garnet
I had 3 cats, fur gets everywhere
Particularly when one of them decides the glass panel on the top of my case is a nice warm place to curl up
Anyway, what sort of ram did you get nazo?
sick reef
I know I started eating my mice up so bad I made a list. I know I also have to switch out this mouse, but have yet to get a replacement. I'm unsure if it's still accurate, but I do know I really can't make do with a mouse that has the sensor on an angle like this does.
restive garnet
Same boat, my mamba is on its way out, but i cant be bothered replacing it just yet
And that tridentz is good stuff
eternal cairn
I happened to get it on sale too.
restive garnet
Im running 2 16gb sticks at 3866mhz CL18
Could probably get the timings down a wee bit, but i dont see the necessity
sick reef
I use a G403. I don't like it, but it does well enough, really, and fits my hand well. If anything, the palm rest is a bit off, apart from the whole tracer being angled thing
restive garnet
My mamba is not the nicest fit
My hands are a bit on the big size
And the mamba is a medium sized mouse
eternal cairn
Nice. I'm still waiting for Newegg to ship my RAM sticks, but it should hopefully improve my video editing setup.
sick reef
Don't know if you've watched Rocket Jump Ninja, but his reviews are quite neat.
restive garnet
Im half tempted to buy another 2 sticks while they are available
sick reef
I'm probably getting the Razer he recommended next. Mainly as a test, as Razer mice has been a bit off for me regarding size, or utility.
restive garnet
Heard something a while back about samsung ditching their B die process
eternal cairn
I'm tempted to just keep my current RAM sticks so I'll have 48 GB of RAM.
restive garnet
Crossing timings and frequency
eternal cairn
But I also want money and I'm not sure if 48 GB is excessive. 🤔
restive garnet
You thinking about selling the old stuff?
eternal cairn
I guess it'll come down to how many simultaneous Chrome tabs I can keep open.
vapid crypt
I suppose you could test 32GB vs 48GB and see if you get any significant improvements
eternal cairn
Yeah, I'm trying to sell my old processor and motherboard too.
restive garnet
Depends on your editing load i suppose
eternal cairn
Typically, I do 1080p60 video with audio waveforms.
restive garnet
As long as you restart your comp more than once a month, should be sufficient at 32
Im half tempted to sell my current mobo and cpu, but i also wanna keep it for an htpc
eternal cairn
Although I'm currently doing projects at 1440p60 with waveforms and particle effects.
restive garnet
Cant say i do much editing, though my comp is certainly built to handle it
eternal cairn
It's probably better to sell it now and not regret not getting the extra money for selling it later when newer stuff comes out.
restive garnet
Really depends on how definitive i am on selling it
Im currently using an mitx board in a full tower
Because reusing old parts
eternal cairn
With my current memory, I can't even preview renders in AE without it stuttering after a while.
restive garnet
Yikes
vapid crypt
Woah, that must look... inseresting
restive garnet
I can send a pic if you want lmao
eternal cairn
Must be really roomy in that case.
vapid crypt
Sure, no objections
restive garnet
Excuse the cable clutter
Need to get some nice sleeved cables, but they get expensive quickly
merry bay
@abstract kite Try unticking "Enable low-level IO driver" in Afterburner settings. Valorant anti cheat prevents it from functioning properly.(if that's the fix)
vapid crypt
The only thing that's kinda weird is the extra pci-e power cables just resting there on the fan, at least I think that's what those are
restive garnet
90% accurate
They arent resting on the fan
Actually free hanging a few cm above it
They are 8+6 cables
vapid crypt
You're right I suppose that isn't making contact now that I look again
restive garnet
My 1080 ti needs 8s
So i have to use each for 8, and leave the 6s dangling
Till i get new cables
Half tempted to just get some of those lian li strimer 8 pin cables
Coz they would probably still be cheaper than getting custom cables, and i dont just wanna get a set of generic cables
Other than that, all my cable management issues stem from the motherboard being so small compared to the gromets
And at the back of the case, and on top of the radiator i have 3 thermaltake riing plus premium fans
But the controller for them died
So while they still run, its at a locked RPM and they dont get any RGB
Oh, and icue is attempting to control my asus aura based rgb
And not doing a very good job of it
torn ferry
Are AIO tubes not supposed to touch the shroud of a GPU?
torn ferry
I mean, remember the Verge's awful PC build?
torn ferry
One of the many popular responses to the build said it was bad practice for the tubes to touch the GPU.
Though the GPU didn't seem to have a shroud on it, it seemed to be the bare board.
fleet canopy
Yeah I guess
And if it's bare, that's strange
Unless it has a water cooling thing around it
For GPU cooling ofc
torn ferry
He had a $2000 budget and couldn't afford a better brand than PNY...
fleet canopy
f
torn ferry
It was a PNY card.
fleet canopy
Yes
torn ferry
Though it seems that way because PNY was the cheapest for cards.
Which manufacturer has the worst customer service support?
vapid crypt
I don't know from from experience, but someone in this channel mentioned MSI having bad customer service support
vapid crypt
That's their problem, not anyone else's
fleet canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SePnfkhMce0 900$, big boom ezpz build here if you want to have this or need to know how build for June 2020
restive garnet
I believe it was me that said MSI customer service has a bad reputation
imo, EVGA has the best
Asus is alright, tho i rarely have to deal with them despite how much asus hardware i own
spice tapir
I heard Asus's customer service was downright dumpster fire levels
vapid crypt
Considering some of their QC with certain products I wouldn't be surprised
torn ferry
I found the MX410 Mesh G RGB on Amazon, but is it actually available? XD
vapid crypt
Its over 90 with that shipping
torn ferry
Three 120mm fans in front, two on top, and one on back.
Though no 360mm radiator support.
vapid crypt
Really? You couldn't put one at the front?
fleet canopy
o
torn ferry
It says so on the website's product page.
vapid crypt
And the Meshify is 100 on Newegg
vapid crypt
Oh okay only support for up to 240mm
vapid crypt
My case supports up to 360mm, they stopped manufacturing it though
torn ferry
I assume the version with an acrylic front panel instead of mesh would be bad for airflow?
vapid crypt
From the looks of it, yes it would be bad for airflow
torn ferry
Yea, so I assume mesh version is the way to go.
vapid crypt
There doesn't appear to be any side venting
It'd be fine, albeit not as good; but fine if it had space on the sides of the front panel to take air
fleet canopy
If you're going for black and like big ol seethrough panels all side, O11 Dynamic comes with black and white
torn ferry
I can't seem to find the Dynamic in stock anywhere, @fleet canopy
fleet canopy
torn ferry
Tempered Computer.
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
kek
fleet canopy
anyone on rq?
Only thing I must ask is if it runs R6 lmfao
I know that's probably a low possibility since it seems pretty old and runs from only integrated
So I did quick look up, like 30-40FPS
Was for friend
But that was from 2018
proper bolt
So can anyone help me with my new PC I have a problem
fleet canopy
Yeah ask away
fleet canopy
Hm, must be something with the boot I guess
proper bolt
What should I do
abstract kite
Are you able to get into the BIOS?
abstract kite
Basic Input/Output System
You should be able to restart the PC and mash Delete on the keyboard to get in
I agree with Muppy (Gay) that it looks like a hard drive issue. It doesn't seem that it's finding a drive to boot from, so you might have a dead drive.
proper bolt
I miss it by accident let me try again
abstract kite
No worries
proper bolt
abstract kite
What is your first boot option?
abstract kite
Depending on what it is, you could possibly try swapping it with the other option. If that doesn't work, swap back and retry (just for good measure)
If it doesn't boot into the OS (what OS do you use by the way), you might have a dead drive on your hands.
Or dying drive, that is.
proper bolt
I can't lie this is really stressing me out and I'm pretty damn confused
abstract kite
Did you swap the boot sequence and see if you were able to load into your operating system (I'm assuming Windows)?
proper bolt
The boot 1 and boot 2 thing
proper bolt
Yes
abstract kite
You can now exit the BIOS and see if it boots. Should be the far right tap on the top of the menu on most BIOSes
proper bolt
Send me back to nero boot loader
abstract kite
Dang... Try and swap them back and see if that works (worth a shot at least).
If it doesn't, then you might have a dead hard drive.
Meaning you will want to replace it
worldly jasper
I know this sounds stupid but make sure your cables are securely connected. You'd be surprised how many issues that fixes.
I'm sorry, if you're using a laptop, completely disregard what I said.
proper bolt
I'm just going to give up right now before I have mental breakdown
restive garnet
Do you have a good idea what your specs are?
At the very minimum, what drives you have?
Im with the others in suspecting a dead/malfunctioning drive
I suppose if you have a USB stick and a working computer, you could try create a windows boot drive, and get your computer to run off that.
Itll run like shit, but at least youll be able to tell whats going on
proper bolt
I'm just going up right now I'm getting sick of all this stuff that's happening to me
restive garnet
Weird question
Do you have a CD drive?
Coz apparently people have a similar issue while the disc that came with their motherboard is in the drive while they boot
@proper bolt
proper bolt
Yes it has it
restive garnet
Take the disc out and try again
proper bolt
I need to calm down first
proper bolt
It's hard for me with the brain damage and mental issues
restive garnet
That certainly wouldnt help
proper bolt
Right now it gives me a black screen and that says no signal
restive garnet
Normally that happens when your monitor isnt recieving signal from your graphics card
But we know your graphics card isnt the issue here
Just do double check, you took the disc out and then restarted your computer?
restive garnet
Looks like windows is doing a first time setup
Which is good
Should be smooth sailing from here
proper bolt
It looking good right now
restive garnet
Lmao
restive garnet
Why not go all the way?
restive garnet
Break into ASUS and steal a 1080P 360hz
fleet canopy
lmfao
merry bay
you won't maintain 240hz for a while, not worth the curse imo 
restive garnet
Ike
fleet canopy
Who the hell is gonna use 360hz anywyas tbh
merry bay
also some game engines get really wonky at 180fps+
restive garnet
Some game engines get wonky at 30+ lets be real
fleet canopy
360+ FPS is near goddamn impossible tbh
merry bay
well a modern example, apex shits the bed at ~180fps
you want to limit it to that or under
restive garnet
Cant say i knew that partciular one
restive garnet
But most fallout games tie physics effects to framerate
fleet canopy
And my glasses/eyes are being a shithead rn
proper bolt
Thanks for the help guys sorry for the confusion
restive garnet
Now if you could please fill out the customer satisfaction survey, and give me 5 stars, i would really appreciate it
fleet canopy
5 stars or die
restive garnet
3 more and my supervisor wont whip me for the rest of the day
fleet canopy
Should I even look at the TN panels 1440p 144hz?
restive garnet
They are a lot more budget conscious than IPS
fleet canopy
And VA
restive garnet
But i personally cant stand TN
proper bolt
All 5
fleet canopy
VA/IPS both average same in price
Yeah that's the thing
I want a 1440p 144hz, but I feel like I'm being stupid for thinking of getting VA/IPS for 400-600$
fleet canopy
Who's gonna look at that
restive garnet
I like the ability to see everything from stupid angles
restive garnet
I reckon IPS anyday
fleet canopy
1093.50$ for a 2560x1440p 165hz TN
fleet canopy
Gigabyte has one, I looked into it
That's amazon for ya
However clicking link
It goes to near 700$
restive garnet
I payed 1600 nz for a 3440x1440 100 hz IPS
fleet canopy
Stupid and Gay certified by me
fleet canopy
lmfao
For the moment I look into the C27HG70 and the AD27QD-SA
600$ for the Gyuh uh byte one IPS and 450$ for Sam Ung
The light of day is here!
I have passed the night
restive garnet
LG UltraGear 27GL850-B
restive garnet
Thats probably around 600 usd
fleet canopy
Hmh