yeah, pretty much
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
restive garnet
under full load at 4.7 im hitting like 70C
its just thermal saturation after that
molten tundra
A bit high, but not dangerously high like 100c is.
restive garnet
higher than id like, but still within safe operating temperatures
vapid crypt
What are you using to cool it with?
restive garnet
at the moment, a 240mm EVGA CLC
molten tundra
That's one thing with mine, I need to reconfig my loop. My cpu and gpu are currently in parallell, so my gpu is downright frosty, but my cpu is higher than I'd like. With the system under full synthetic load, i.e. furmark and prime95, it will creep up to 68c, which is the throttle limit on my chip. I haven't seen my gpu climb above 50 though, so plenty of headroom there.
restive garnet
with the stock fans replaced with the aforementioned thermaltake fans
vapid crypt
I remember Intel was using crap paste under the IHS at the time, have you done any delidding?
vapid crypt
Yeah delidding would help alot for that
restive garnet
definitely
its just a series of like
i wanna do an open loop
which would need at least a grand worth of parts
so i cant afford to
molten tundra
Open loops are expensive, but if you have the space for enough rads, the cooling is unmatched.
restive garnet
pretty much
ive got 2x280mm for radiators
i could get it reasonably cheap
but i dont like doing things by half measures
molten tundra
I've got one, and I love it, but I also like tinkering, so the upkeep and maintenence doesn't bother me.
Aren't byski and barrow parts still really good, but a bit cheaper than stuff like ek and thermaltake?
restive garnet
personally, i dont trust thermaltake as far as i can throw them
molten tundra
Oh?
restive garnet
i mean, for starters, their software is a massive joke
molten tundra
The watercooling company I wouldn't trust in my system at the moment is corsair, what with their gpu block.
molten tundra
Is thermaltake's software really that bad? I know asus' aura sync is utter garbage...
torn ferry
If only PCPartPicker had an In Stock filter for parts.
restive garnet
also, conveniently they dont make blocks for the 10 series cards
molten tundra
Enh, true enough.
restive garnet
aura sync is a delight compared to thermaltakes software
torn ferry
restive garnet
can be a bit hard to get it to do what you want, but it doesnt crash on me every 5 minutes
molten tundra
Really? Jesus... I'm so frustrated with aura sync that I'm prepared to write my own software to replace it once I finish my software development degree here...
If thermaltake's is worse.... Jesus...
vocal crest
I would say all vendors software sucks
restive garnet
idk, i think icue is pretty alright considering
vocal crest
It doesn’t matter if it’s asus or Corsair
molten tundra
Corsair's icue isn't too bad, I haven't had any major issues with it
vocal crest
There’s a security flaw in it that they left unpatched
torn ferry
What is the most tolerable RGB software?
restive garnet
the main issues ive had with icue is just interaction with other software
torn ferry
I have to admit though, iCue has come a long way since it first debuted.
restive garnet
like trying to run it using the aura sync and wallpaper engine extensions
molten tundra
It would be amazing if rgb software could all just work smoothly together...
torn ferry
Just buy all parts from same company?
vocal crest
FYI if you use iCUE there’s a known exploit for it that’s being abused since Feb
restive garnet
corsair dont make graphics cards or motherboards sadly
torn ferry
What is the exploit?
fleet canopy
Hm
molten tundra
Does asus sell rgb fans? I haven't heard anything about them. And I know corsair doesn't sell mobos.
vocal crest
CVE-2020-8808
restive garnet
i think asus might now
fleet canopy
ASUS probably does for AIO?
restive garnet
^
torn ferry
@vocal crest what is the exploit?
molten tundra
Hmmm... Now I'm curious. Imma look this shit up.
fleet canopy
And for their shitty cases probably shit
torn ferry
So buy a bunch of Asus AIOs and take the fans off of them?
fleet canopy
No will
restive garnet
i know their ryujin and ryuo AIOs used either in house non RGB fans or noctua industrial fans
restive garnet
im not terribly sure about their strix AIOs tho
vocal crest
@torn ferry https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2020-8808
restive garnet
they cant be as bad as the EVGA fans they bundle with their CLCs
torn ferry
How do you fix said exploit, @vocal crest?
restive garnet
doesnt matter what RPM you set them to, they always have an annoying grinding noise
torn ferry
Do I need to be concerned because I use iCue?
molten tundra
Hmm. Looks like they do have their own fans. News to me! XD
fleet canopy
iCue has mixed reviews, iirc mostly many aren’t very good reviews for it
It’s always a nice fan and shit, but iCue sucks
molten tundra
Also I have icue, and I'm not really worried about it. Sure it's a weakness, but at the same time, I'm a nobody, why the hell would my pc get attacked?
restive garnet
i wouldnt worry about it
fleet canopy
For some data ooo
vocal crest
Nah more for a node in a hornet
restive garnet
it reads out like spectre and meltdown
vocal crest
Botnet
fleet canopy
Meh I always just use malwarebytes cause idc really
molten tundra
Enh, like my data isn't being farmed to hell and back by every company ever.
restive garnet
the price we pay for internet access lmao
fleet canopy
Depends where you are
torn ferry
@fleet canopy uninstalling Malwarebytes has resulted in no BSODs since uninstallment.
restive garnet
im still running windows defender lol
torn ferry
I use Bitdefender.
fleet canopy
iirc 1gig internet is like less than 100USD somewhere
restive garnet
i didnt mean the monetary price
molten tundra
As for being used in a compute network or botnet, I run F@H on it anyway, and spectre/meltdown don't apply to threadripper.
restive garnet
i mean the ethical price
torn ferry
How do you become the most protected from malware or exploits?
restive garnet
when i mentioned spectre and meltdown, i meant because they required physical access to the computer to achieve
fleet canopy
You just know what’s good or not good
From having used my PC, I don’t think I’ve had some pup in like a year
restive garnet
and for that matter, i believe they did apply to threadripper, or at least ryzen, just to a significantly lesser extent
fleet canopy
You just kind of get to know it like a 6th instinct
restive garnet
^
molten tundra
Did they? From everything I heard, they were intel-specific.
restive garnet
thats what the media was focussing on
i dont know why
but they absolutely ripped in to intel for attacks that applied to both parties
molten tundra
And yeah, that's basically how I protect mine, just be careful online.
restive garnet
tho, to AMDs credit, firmware level mitigations had minimal performance hit, unlike intel
fleet canopy
9th gen Kek
restive garnet
lmoa
molten tundra
Hmm. Cause wasn't it like a memory leak or something like that specific to the way intel's internals worked?
vapid crypt
Well we're talking about iterations of the same architecture for years in the case of Intel
molten tundra
I don't remember the exact details...
restive garnet
by memory, it was an exploit to do with simultaneous multi threading
restive garnet
which in forms is used by both intel and AMD
vapid crypt
Zombie Load I believe its called
molten tundra
Ahhh... Makes sense.
vocal crest
Meltdown and Spectre aren’t that big a deal because there’s prob 100x easier ways to gain access
molten tundra
Exactly.
fleet canopy
I still however use malwarebytes time from time, just cause I know I downloaded something at some point
vocal crest
As people can use it to jump the hyper visor
fleet canopy
But as always, nothing bad pops up
molten tundra
^
restive garnet
last time i got a virus was from trying to pirate an ancient game which doesnt have a digital copy available
vocal crest
Like you are almost guaranteed to get compromised by an old unpatched SSL device from heart bleed .
And blueborne from any old BT device
molten tundra
Blueborne?
restive garnet
more like blueballne amirite?
molten tundra
I was thinking bloodborne's long-lost, shitty cousin. XD
fleet canopy
Same
vocal crest
Blueborne is pretty crazy given how it can infect hardware BT devices like cars and headsets
And you don’t even need to be connected
Just in the vincity
fleet canopy
Wild
molten tundra
What does it actually do though? I could tell from the name that it spread via bt, but what makes it dangerous?
vocal crest
Basically any Bluetooth device older than 2017 can be used as an entry vector
vapid crypt
Access via bluetooth
restive garnet
to cause damage or steal information
vapid crypt
Oof
vocal crest
And it only requires 1 of the endpoints to be compromised
In addition
Transmission does not require endpoints at all
molten tundra
Fair enough. I'm just wondering if it targets anything specifically, or if it just goes around wrecking shit willy-nilly.
vocal crest
It’s just a vector for someone nefarious to use
molten tundra
Ahh.
vapid crypt
Just another weak access point
vocal crest
Exploits are like LEGO blocks
molten tundra
On their own they are harmless, it's what people make of them that makes them deadly.
vapid crypt
As long as you aren't barefoot in the dark with them scattered on the floor you'll be fine 
restive garnet
Oof
molten tundra
XD True that!
Well, Imma go grab some food then play some mgsv on ps4, because I got it for free there over a year ago.
restive garnet
lmao
honestly, pretty good game
got it on humble bundle for a couple of bucks
never really been a fan of kojimas work, but MGSV was solid
molten tundra
Aside from mgr:r, it's the first metal gear game I've played. Really enjoy it, want to play the others. Prolly gonna get them on pc though, if I can.
Heard 3 was also pretty great, so I'll prolly go for that one next.
vapid crypt
Um its a good game on its own, but because Kojima was effectively fired by Konami during development the story is just not complete
restive garnet
MGSV is on steam, not sure about the others
i still loved kojima during the development of MGSV
vapid crypt
Uh and yeah apart from V there's the spinoff Metal Gear Rising
Takes place after the events of MGS4
It stands on its own though
restive garnet
"yeah, we are gunna have a naked character, but there is gunna be really deep lore reasons why she doesnt wear clothes"
"she breathes through her skin lul"
molten tundra
Yeah, that's the one bad thing about it, is konami fucked the game during development, forced it out way too early. Then made mg survive. That game just lies there, rasping ":Kiillll meeeeeee..."
restive garnet
sounds fairly normal
molten tundra
Yeah, rising was a lot of fun.
restive garnet
thats the main reason why i dislike obsidian software
molten tundra
Yep. Standard ea business model.
restive garnet
they constantly let themselves get pushed around by publishers, and their games suffer as a result
vapid crypt
Actually now that I remember, the first two MGS games have PC releases. But they're box only, and lord knows if there's a way to make em work on a modern OS
molten tundra
Oooof. XD There's probably a way, but it probably takes a high level of technobabble black magic. XD
restive garnet
i think the bigger problem is probably that its box only
molten tundra
Still pissed about anthem though... Fuck ea, that woulda been an amazing game, the flying was on-point. and the shooting was good too.
restive garnet
worst case, just run a VM with windows xp or some shit
vapid crypt
Konami would have to give a damn and have a collection ported to GOG, Steam and what not
fleet canopy
You could use an emulator for MG
vapid crypt
But its Konami, so best case is having a ps3 and getting the collection for that
restive garnet
i ended up getting adware on my comp for trying to pirate rise of nations: rise of legends
fleet canopy
Hah
molten tundra
Well, good thing I happen to have a ps3, eh?
vapid crypt
Absolutely
restive garnet
it was such a small game and it is also like 10+ years old
found exactly one torrent and it was full of viruses
just my luck
fleet canopy
Kek
molten tundra
Also a ps2. Man, that thing was my childhood... Need for Speed underground 2? That was a golden game.
fleet canopy
I have a PS3, no controllers for it tho
restive garnet
tried literally everything to get rid of the adware
ended up having to format my drive
restive garnet
which also gave me an excuse to remove the fucked up partitioning
molten tundra
Yeah, that's always a risk when pirating...
restive garnet
the laptop came from the factory with a 500gb hard drive split in to two 250gb partitions
it was like
molten tundra
That's fucked.
restive garnet
whyyyy
molten tundra
Why would anyone even want a partitioned drive? Why not just get a second physical drive? I understand that doesn't work in laptops, but you don't gain any usable space from it, so what's even the point?
fleet canopy
iirc my brother told me he’s cracked the PS3 so any game, I can get for no pay pretty much
molten tundra
That's always helpful!
restive garnet
sometimes it can be nice if you have multiple users or some other special needs
fleet canopy
Every controller is fucked
restive garnet
RIP
molten tundra
Ahhhh, that makes sense...
fleet canopy
Shouldn’t be so hard though, stores nearby have like old shit
molten tundra
Ouch... I know ps4 controllers are pretty garbage on longevity, I've had prolly 4 or 5 die on me over the last 3 years or so.
fleet canopy
My one PS4 has lasted a couple years
molten tundra
9.5 tb??? Damn!
restive garnet
a 512gb 970 pro with a 3 tb seagate barracuda and a 6tb seagate barracuda pro
fleet canopy
Barracuda
molten tundra
I used to be on my ps4 basically all day every day though, so the controllers saw some really heavy use, which definitely didn't help matters. XD
fleet canopy
Had school so I was in dorms for weekdays
molten tundra
I honestly really like the look of the new ps5 controller.
fleet canopy
Never really wanted to bring it cause didn’t trust shit
molten tundra
Fair enough.
fleet canopy
Yeah it’s not bad
And plus, my schools internet by all obvious means is shitty as fuck
molten tundra
I currently have a 500gb 970 evo boot, and a 2tb 860 qvo.
fleet canopy
They can afford all good shit except internet perhaps
I’m just here chilling with a 1TB Evo 860
molten tundra
Ahh, yep, that's never fun.
restive garnet
i considered getting a QVO, but i needed significantly more storage space, and im not fully sold on QLC
molten tundra
I find it funny actually, I have a beast pc, yet my base model ps4 actually has more storage than my pc.
molten tundra
I have an 8tb hdd in my ps4. a seagate ironwolf.
restive garnet
WAT
molten tundra
Yes.
vapid crypt
Wow
fleet canopy
Take it
vapid crypt
That's uh...
molten tundra
I have an 8tb ps4.
vapid crypt
Kind of overkill isn't it?
fleet canopy
Buy 8TB ezpz
vapid crypt
Isn't Ironwolf for pro stuff?
fleet canopy
Iirc he neededs more
restive garnet
ironwolf is for NAS
fleet canopy
So he was like fuck it lol
restive garnet
barracuda for compute, skyhawk for surveillance
vapid crypt
Oh okay that kind of storage
molten tundra
I was pissed off at the 500gb drive being perpetually full. I looked up the max drive capacity the ps4 firmware supported. I bought that. ironwolf because I didn't understand shit about drives back then, and it was like, $100 cheaper.
restive garnet
but last i checked, PS4s use 2.5 inch drives
fleet canopy
Had 1TB PS4
restive garnet
which i dont think come in 8tb
fleet canopy
Now that I say it, I should pull it out
molten tundra
Nowadays, I know more about drives, but still.
vapid crypt
Even the Pro model?
molten tundra
Ps4 does use 2.5". Which do not come in 8tb.
vapid crypt
I haven't checked mine out, its still using the usual drive it came with
restive garnet
unfortunately, the xbox one had a elite model at launch with a 2tb drive
and everything since then only uses 1tb drives or lower
molten tundra
restive garnet
so i ended up just chucking in a 2tb firecuda because the firmware max is 2tb
ah
3.5 inch dock
vapid crypt
Now that's a thing
restive garnet
makes sense
molten tundra
I got a special adaptor housing. My ps4 has a storage wart.
restive garnet
i just wish you could attach consoles to network based storage
molten tundra
So I have an 8tb ps4, and a 2.5tb pc.
Oh, man, a console hooked to a nas? That'd be the bee's knees.
restive garnet
i mean, i could hook it up to my PC
vapid crypt
Hmm
vocal crest
Would be overkill but just give it a 10 gbaseT and run iSCSI
molten tundra
iirc, the ps4 doesn't actually gain anything from an ssd, the sata interface it uses ends up bottlenecking the drive.
restive garnet
it definitely should gain performance
molten tundra
It does, but only a fraction of what it should.
restive garnet
even if it is bottlenecked, itd still be far more than what a 2.5 inch 5200 rpm hard drive could offer
like, if its sata 3 based
a good 7200 rpm does around 210mb/s
a good 5200rpm is probably closer to like 160
a good ssd should be around 550 ish
bottleneck is at 600
torn ferry
How is the iCue 220T?
molten tundra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPWNXUA3U0 According to this, I am not remembering correctly.
restive garnet
also, upon googling it, turns out the PS4 pro runs on sata3
but i think the regular PS4 models do not
vapid crypt
restive garnet
if its running sata 2, then you would lose a touch over half an SSDs performance
vapid crypt
There's a review for you Shawn
molten tundra
One thing I am looking forward to though is the ps5's nvme ssd. Once console are ssd based, games will start being developed specifically around those fast loads, which means that they should get even faster, even on pc. Right now, game systems are built to allow compatibility with slow hdds, for console ports, but once that's no longer a concern, well.... I'm excited.
vapid crypt
Hmm yeah means people gotta start getting SSDs like that if they don't already have one
restive garnet
i would be, but i would rather not have a dependency on SSDs until their prices drop
its nearly a grand to get a 2tb SSD over here atm
molten tundra
If you don't have an ssd in 2020, somethin' funky's goin' on.
vapid crypt
Really?
restive garnet
yeah
molten tundra
Ouch, bloody hell, really?
vapid crypt
What a shame
restive garnet
and ive got about 5tb worth of games installed
molten tundra
Damn, that's brutal...
restive garnet
so id need something decent unless i wanna shuffle games around every time i wanna play them
vapid crypt
There's a good chance they'll make it so you need SSDs to even launch certain games
restive garnet
doubt it
molten tundra
Well, I'd say we're still a few years away from most games taking advantage of those ssd-specific load mechanics, so to start, you should be good to run just off whatever ssd you have for boot, move hdd-compatible games over.
molten tundra
What capacity?
restive garnet
512 gb
smallest the pro model comes in
at the moment tho, load times across the board are fantastic
molten tundra
Ok. Yeah, cause for the first year or two, there'll prolly be only a small handful of games that take advantage of the ssd load mechanics, and not all of them will appeal to everyone, so yeah, if you load one or two of them onto your ssd, and then everything else on hdd, you should be good to go.
restive garnet
doubt ill need to
molten tundra
But yeah, going from a 300gb wd black in my old laptop to a 500gb nvme boot in my new rig has been a real treat.
That and having a gpu that can actually run shit.
vapid crypt
Oh I understand that, basically the same here once I got my pc last year
restive garnet
having offset all my commonly used programs to my SSD has boosted the performance im realistically likely to see to the point where any current title is loading in seconds
plus having my super speedy ram really hasnt hurt either
molten tundra
Yep. I run my favorite games off my boot drive, and everything else off my mass storage drive. Mind you, my system is full ssd...
restive garnet
i only run a few load critical games on my boot drive
like pubg or rust
where you are either at a severe disadvantage or have to wait ages otherwise
rust legitimately has like 15 minute wait times when joining a server otherwise
molten tundra
One thing I'm a little miffed about is with ryzen's flaky first-gen memory controller, I wasn't able to get my ram running at it's rated 3200mhz, it wouldn't boot above 3000.
restive garnet
and pubg has issues loading assets before you hit the ground
ryzen has always been a little bit unstable
torn ferry
What is the best RGB graphics card?
molten tundra
I don't play either of those, I tend to spring more for single players, like skyrim and the witcher 3.
molten tundra
It's an oldie but a goldie.
I mod the shit out of it. Something I did seems to have perma-broke some of my textures, and I think it's the funniest shit.
restive garnet
as far as stock air cooled cards go, my money is on EVGA or ASUS ROG cards
the back plate on ROG cards is pretty good looking, but the RGB on the fan shroud is a bit underwhelming
molten tundra
Yeah, the strix cards are fairly good looking cards.
restive garnet
also strix performance are usually among the best of the best
left rose
thick
restive garnet
usually they have thicker heatsinks and better fans than competitor cards
molten tundra
I'm kinda meh on evga's aesthetics, personally.
restive garnet
EVGA aesthetics are decent, but mostly they offer comparable performance to strix cards, while having killer warranties
molten tundra
Yeah, those strix cards tend to be a bit overbuilt. That's a good thing though, it brings tangible benefits.
restive garnet
without a doubt
i was and still am sold on my strix 1080ti
but there is something hilarious about bricking an EVGA card because you fucked up putting a waterblock on it, and getting given a brand new card from EVGA for it
legitimately happened to a mate of mine
straight up told them hed fucked the card himself
and they still replaced it
molten tundra
XDXDXD That's awesome!
vapid crypt
Yeah I've heard their warranty policy is pretty killer
restive garnet
otherwise, MSI have some good RGB aesthetic
molten tundra
Damn, now that's how ya win customer loyalty!
restive garnet
but they arent over engineered like strix cards
or have killer warranties like EVGA
and from what i hear, MSI customer service is garbage
i heard tales of people sending in cards with factory fitted waterblocks for RMA and getting sent the same card with an AIO attached instead
vapid crypt
Not something I would know, I have an MSI motherboard but no issues with it to have to use it so
restive garnet
im actually a fan of MSI mobos
as much as i dislike MSI
some of their mobos, particularly their current gen ones look sexy and have performance to match
and they hold a fairly substantial amount of overclocking records
molten tundra
I know myself, I just got an asus dual oc edition for my 2080, because it uses reference pcb, and I just slapped an ek block on it. Stressful, but really fun, doing that. Then had to pull it apart because the card used different screws for the backplate which pushed on the block, flexing the pcb, so I took a dremel to the block a bit to trim out some space, and now no more pcb flex!
vapid crypt
They did drop the ball with a lot of their X570 boards early on, the VRMs were just not up to snuff for what's supposed to be a high end chipset. So if you didn't have a $300+ board, we're talking over 100C on the MOS
At least when running Ryzen 9 anyway
restive garnet
that sounds like the MSI i know and dislike
im a little bit screwed on my 1080ti because its a secondary revision of a non reference PCB
molten tundra
I don't really know much about msi's boards. Haven't really had any experience with them.
vapid crypt
Seems they made up with uh recent releases, but yeah its pretty unacceptable
molten tundra
Ouch, that's rough, with the non-reference pcb. As far as I know, it only really matters if you want to block it for open loop, but still. I know ek has blocks for some custom pcb cards, like evga's ftw series, or the strix cards, but more often than not, you're shit outta luck with non-reference pcbs.
restive garnet
EK do make a block for my particular PCB
but very few other companies do
so it really limits my options
not that i mind EK, they make some pretty solid, if lacklustre products
molten tundra
As long as one exists. And ek's blocks are good, I run them myself.
They are fairly minimalist, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
restive garnet
true enough
im thinking atm im gunna grab a corsair CPU block and an EK GPU block
tho i also am considering a phanteks GPU block, but im not sure on their quality
molten tundra
I have an ek monoblock on my rig, framed between some trident z royals, and it's such a good look.
Corsair's cpu blocks are pretty nice.
restive garnet
i have considered getting a monoblock for my z370-i, but then i wouldnt be able to reuse it
they are pretty nice, but they are also reasonably priced
i think the 1151/am4 blocks retail for about 150 over here
molten tundra
Yeah, that's the one downside. I'm not worried about it myself, as I tend to run the same stuff until it become legit unusable. When a game comes out that I can't run at 1080p 30fps on my tr 1920x and my rtx 2080, then I'll look at upgrading. XD
restive garnet
compared to the EK equivalent at 180
its more a case of i want a new mobo that isnt mitx, and probably a new cpu to go with it
and i wanna turn my current mobo/cpu into an HTPC
which probably wouldnt have room for water cooling
molten tundra
Ahhh, that makes sense. I would focus on doing those upgrades first, then worry about open-looping your main rig after.
restive garnet
thats sort of the point im at
its just this fuck around in the CPU market atm
like
molten tundra
That's the thing about open-looping a rig, it makes upgrading much more difficult, so get the rig to a point where you're happy running it for a long time, then build the loop.
restive garnet
lmao
its just trade offs
like, if i get a 9th gen intel board, i dont need to upgrade the CPU, but then at some point ill need to buy a new motherboard anyway
and with intel moving to LGA1200, its just as easy to go AMD
but i wanted to wait till intels 10th gen came out to make my decision
vocal crest
You can do a semi closed loop with the new EK pro 0 leak disconnects
torn ferry
How reliable are Zotac cards?
restive garnet
good
molten tundra
Well, I guess it depends on what you wanna do. If you wanna use the 8700k in the htpc build, then I would recommend getting an x570 or b550, because they will give a good upgrade path, and those extra cores and threads are pretty nice to have.
restive garnet
i wouldnt bother with their full sized cards
but zotac make some absolutely fantastic SFF cards
vocal crest
Alternatively you can pick up some of the cheaper EKWB Phoenix stuff and daisy chain it
restive garnet
cramming 90% of a full cards performance in to about 2/3-1/2 of the size
vapid crypt
Not much of an upgrade path tbh, there's only one more generation left for AM4
restive garnet
true enough
so i might just end up sitting on it for a bit longer
i dont really wanna go the phoenix route
molten tundra
Yeah, that's true...
restive garnet
i like buying high performance stuff i can reuse for years
vocal crest
Amd is wierd though they said sTR4 has a ways to go
restive garnet
like my ram wont be obsolete for years to come
vocal crest
Even though AM4 has only 1 gen left
molten tundra
Yeah, I just looked up the phoenix stuff, they're killing it off anyway.
vapid crypt
If you're satisfied with your performance for the time being there's no need to upgrade
restive garnet
at least until DDR5 comes out
as for my graphics card, im thinking about upgrading when the next gen nvidia comes out
molten tundra
str4 makes sense that it has a lot of life left, because it's a full 2 generations newer than am4.
restive garnet
if rumors hold true anyway
vocal crest
Yeah but it’s already at capacity with the 3990x
restive garnet
HEDT sockets always last longer tho
vapid crypt
Right, they made that socket to replace the previous x399 socket for TR
vocal crest
I’m not sure how much longer they can go
molten tundra
Not always. Cries in x399
vocal crest
Like the 3990x is at socket melting levels of EDC already
restive garnet
i mean, X399 is a chipset, not a socket
molten tundra
Well, you know what I mean. I can't upgrade to a thrid-gen threadripper on my current mobo.
vocal crest
If they up it to 128 cores in the next gen not sure how much mileage they will get out of the current socket
vapid crypt
Oh I know, but it was the only chipset to use that socket right
molten tundra
I'm not 100% sure they'll push it that far though.
vocal crest
70A VRMs aren’t gonna be enough
restive garnet
and i could see AMD working their magic and dropping a 128 core on us next year, just to piss in intels coffee
vocal crest
AMD needs to work getting PBO more polished for high core count cpus first
vapid crypt
Uh, we shall see. Need to see what they do with Epyc first
molten tundra
the viable use cases for a monstrosity like the 3990x are so few and far between already, I figure they'll keep the cap at 64 cores, and just push clocks and ipc for now.
vocal crest
Cus it’s the only way to OC a high core count cpu
restive garnet
i dunno, its a pissing war between intel and AMD atm
vocal crest
Dunno I’m using a 3990x right now and it’s pretty good in any sort of high IPC micro services type scenario
restive garnet
i believe they did say next gen would just be efficiency and IPC increases
restive garnet
but the gen after that will probably be another core count revision
molten tundra
The only space a 128 core cpu would make any sort of sense whatsoever is datacenter, so seeing one for consumer use is, well... I highly doubt it.
vocal crest
Well they need 8 channel mem first
vocal crest
TR is mem limited by only 4 channel
restive garnet
but at the price point, i doubt anyone would buy it for that
vocal crest
It barely keeps up
Well here’s the thing the Epyc downclocks itself
When under heavy load
Whereas you have PBO
For TR
vapid crypt
8 channel memory means a new chipset and likely another socket eh?
molten tundra
Oh, guaranteed.
vocal crest
Prob not cus it has similar pins to the 8 channel Epyc socket
molten tundra
I can see it needing a new socket to allow the proper pinout.
vapid crypt
Oh if that's the case then just another chipset would work
molten tundra
Same reason x399 and trx40 are incompatible.
molten tundra
It has the same physical construction, yes. So does the tr4 socket. Pinout is different though.
restive garnet
tbh tho, im just excited for next gen graphics cards
molten tundra
Pinout is what each pin actually connects to, that's all.
vocal crest
Supposedly there was the WRX80 chipset
restive garnet
if rumors hold true, those 3080tis are gunna be monsters
molten tundra
Oh yeah, those are looking like real juicy cards.
There's no chance I'll get one, but I look forward to drooling over them all the same. XD
restive garnet
40% price cut from 2080ti msrp, with a 40% improvement in general performance, 20% better IPC and over 100% better raytracing performance
if that all holds true
im gunna buy one on launch
if not, well
molten tundra
A 40% price cut? That'll be amazing!
restive garnet
dont think they wanna risk another rtx launch
they lost like 75% of their stock value within like 3 months of launching rtx cards
molten tundra
Unfortunately, it's still impractical for me, because I just got my blocked 2080 rig up and running about 3 months ago. Too soon to upgrade.
molten tundra
The 1080ti is still a solid card, it just lacks raytracing.
molten tundra
Ahh, yeah, a better card would allow higher framerates.
restive garnet
im mostly hitting my monitors refresh rate of 100hz, but some games just dont quite get there
molten tundra
That's assuming your monitor is high refresh to begin with though.
molten tundra
Oh, man, cyberpunk is gonna be amazing.
restive garnet
not the highest, but still above 60
merry bay
also DLSS 2.0, if you ever go "4K"
molten tundra
Yep. That's twice now you've answered my question as I asked it. XD
restive garnet
i have a 4k tv attached to my rig, but i cbf using it most of the time
im not a fan of super sampling and 4k wrecks my card
i barely managed 70 fps on overwatch while running my card at like 90 degrees
tho tbf, that was in my old case which was poorly ventilated
merry bay
what kind of 1080ti is it?
restive garnet
strix OC
molten tundra
Honestly, one thing I'm miffed about is the fact that I opted for a 4k 60hz monitor rather than 1440 high refresh... I figured since I would finally have a machine that could run 4k, I'd give it a try and see what the buzz was about.
It's not a huge improvement over 1080.
restive garnet
i like 1440p for the fact you can maintain the same pixel density as 1080p while having a larger screen overall, but i think 4k is really hitting the diminishing return scale
merry bay
I had an MSI armor, abysmal cooler. Switched it out for an Accelero Extreme IV
Never go above 76 degrees on 1080p 200% render scale.
molten tundra
It is definitely an improvement, but I do feel I woulda been better served with 1440 high refresh, I still woulda gotten that resolution jump, but I also would gotten more than 60fps.
merry bay
Disabling AA afterwards, and the aliasing is basically gone
restive garnet
i think 1440 high refresh is the sweet spot
tho i also think once youve gone ultrawide, you never go back
molten tundra
Mind you, even being able to hit 60 is nice, as my old system couldn't hit 1080 30 in skyrim on low settings.
molten tundra
ooof. XD
molten tundra
Tried fallout 4 on ps4, couldn't immerse myself in it like I did with skyrim...
restive garnet
maximum settings on a 3440x1440 with enough ENBs to give me a seizure
molten tundra
I still played skyrim at my 25 frames, but man, if I allowed my desktop to get too full on that craptop, skyrim became unplayable.
restive garnet
sadly fallout 4 doesnt launch anymore
i used to play oblivion at about 11 fps on my first laptop
molten tundra
Ooooof. XD
restive garnet
that laptop was fantastic
the entire product line had a fault where the fans would shut off after the temperature exceeded 55c
and it was never fixed
first and last time i ever buy something from dell
molten tundra
Man, my craptop, a clean desktop legit made the difference between skyrim being playable and skyrim running at 10 frames with mouse sensitivity so low I could barely move my camera.
Ooooof. Mine was actually a dell too! XD
restive garnet
RIP
molten tundra
Slapped an ssd in it intending to give it to a friend who needed a new system, as his was still running DOS, with 1 g of ram, but he ended up getting a custom system before I could send it to him, thanks to covid, so now I'm toying with the idea of setting it up with linux to run a pihole.
Problem is, I have never once so much as touched a linux system, so I have absolutely no idea how to navigate it.
Thankfully one of the courses I have to take for my software development degree is a course on how to use linux.
Anyway, I'm heading off for now.
restive garnet
Lmao
I was in the same boat
But my engineering degree requires a linux/python programming paper
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
According to their website its MSRP is 179
torn ferry
On Amazon, it's $229.
vapid crypt
I swear when I looked it was 121... there was only 1 left though
Oh I guess for the white model right?
Yeah the black one is 121
I mean that's a good slashed price if you ask me, but I get it.
I know its not the corsair case you're looking for, but this fits what you're looking for. Well at its basic level, its a white case https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDS8L83/ref=twister_B088X2NYSY
I guess the only thing is the fans aren't addressable so if you wanted it to be multi-colored it can't do that
fleet canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUFWalEf31w A video on how much gigabytes of RAM you might need, plus blah blah blah
vapid crypt
Hmm?
vapid crypt
With a 2070 right?
Make sure the refresh rate of your monitor is set to what its supposed to be
void perch
If you have questions DM @odd portal
lilac geyser
no, open dicussion
public comments were deleted
thus discussions happens in public
yeah.....you cant sugar coat that one]
void perch
If you have questions, DM mod contact to reach our team, we won't be discussing it publicly, per policy. Now let's get this back on topic. Thanks.
lilac geyser
is anyone else ok with this level of censorship?
torn ferry
Censorship in what?
keen wigeon
theres rule to the discord lol, and if you dont know why just ask
merry bay
to be fair, it's a topic that won't lead to tech talks
lilac geyser
i was commenting on the use of technology to file police complaints and my comments were deleted
can someone point out the rule?
torn ferry
I find it unprofessional when you publicly demand that a mod explain to you about their judgement.
keen wigeon
not like discord requires that tho
lilac geyser
these comments need to happen in public, or else legitimate conversation might be lost forever
torn ferry
It's their Discord, and their server, and they can moderate it however they want, and if you have a problem with it, talk to them in DMs.
void perch
It was removed as it was a political topic, and not allowed here. Now, please bring the channel back on topic, and if you would like to discuss it further, please take it to @odd portal.
torn ferry
Any good RGB heavy cases that aren't sold out somewhere?
And what is the main difference with acrylic and tempered glass?
eternal cairn
I've heard of acrylic nails, so that already tells me how weak that type of glass is.
fleet canopy
kek
Yeah I believe acrylic is more weaker
But I doubt that's a problem as long as you don't fling a side panel 
torn ferry
The case I looked at, the Enermax Saberay, is overly plastic.
It looks cool though.
eternal cairn
Well, I'm upgrading my RAM from 16 GB to 32.
Now I can have a whole extra Chrome tab open.
fleet canopy
lmao
32GB seems kind of like
The next number you can settle for but overall 16GB is perfect still
Some games however uhhh
Do use more than 16GB
eternal cairn
Plus, I can sell my existing 16 GB set and it'll almost pay off the upgrade.
fleet canopy
kek
eternal cairn
I'm really upgrading for video editing.
I do particle effects in After Effects and it would also be nice not having Chrome slow my entire computer down.
Only downside is I'm sacrificing my RGB RAM.
eternal cairn
That's what I got.
fleet canopy
Still RGB, pretty good prices imo
eternal cairn
The non-RGB variant though.
fleet canopy
oof
eternal cairn
It's on sale for like $40 off.
fleet canopy
o
Not bad
They seem to kind of switch up with like 50$ more from 16 to 32GB
But that's like 100$ more
So CAS16 to CAS14 on around 3200MHz gets you a 50$ difference
eternal cairn
I think it's a little more than that.
eternal cairn
I saw CL14 go up to $200.
fleet canopy
You're actually right
eternal cairn
And that is on sale.
fleet canopy
I've seen a lot for 250$ for 32GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS14
But just recently, it's gone down to 200$
torn ferry
What is the difference between different CAS values?
eternal cairn
Yeah, but I definitely want to upgrade to CL 14 after I get a new monitor.
torn ferry
Is $300 USD overpriced for the Thermaltake View 71?
fleet canopy
3600MHz CAS15 is neat to have
How much is it usually?
I'm seeing it for 200$
Wherever that price's from is dumb
eternal cairn
I haven't checked, but I think I saw some on sale for like $230.
torn ferry
I just want to know what case I should go with if the Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL is sold out.
eternal cairn
Wait, you mean 3600 and CL14?
torn ferry
Yea, but both are either sold out or marked up.
eternal cairn
Same for me, except I'm trying to go for the AOC 27G2.
fleet canopy
CAS15
Never seen 3600MHz CAS14 yet
Good enough speed would be 3200MHz CAS14 or 3600MHz CAS15
The Ryzen 3000 refresh is rumored to be like
Needing 4GHz memory
torn ferry
Any case recommendations? My other thought was the Crystal 570X.
eternal cairn
Honestly, the lower latency is kind of pointless unless you go all the way to CL14.
fleet canopy
The front panel seems spaced good enough though
3600MHz CAS15 vs CAS14 is actually a pretty big difference in price iirc
eternal cairn
But the benefits are almost marginal, aren't they?
eternal cairn
Apart from being able to OC from 3200 to 3600 for some sticks.
fleet canopy
You're getting arouunndd
torn ferry
Is it a good case?
eternal cairn
So half a nanosecond?
eternal cairn
Ehh, that's pretty marginal to me.
eternal cairn
How about from CL 16 to 15?
eternal cairn
So, basically, might as well go to CL14 and skip 15.
fleet canopy
3200MHz CAS14 = 8.75 ns
3600MHz CAS15 = 8.33333333 ns
To get close to 3600MHz CAS14, that'd be uhh
3200MHz CAS12 which doesn't exist yet
Being 7.5 ns
If you're going for CAS14, the 400MHz makes some difference
3600MHz CAS14 - 7.77777777
3200MHz CAS14 = 8.75 ns
By nearly a whole nanosecond
eternal cairn
Too bad I'm trying to limit my RAM spending to approximately $100 or less.
eternal cairn
But having 48 GB seems too tempting to just sell my RGB ram sticks.
fleet canopy
But what difference does it really make tbh
eternal cairn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
eternal cairn
Does Ryzen benefit from RAM capacity?
eternal cairn
I know it benefits more from latency and I think frequency.
fleet canopy
I think RAM capacity might have some differences whether it be Ryzen 3000 or Intel's 9th-10th gen
eternal cairn
Does Intel benefit from higher RAM the same way AMD does?
fleet canopy
I think it really depends what you're aiming for
If it were servers, that depends pretty much I guess
If it's just regular gamer, Don't need much
3200MHz CAS16 is good
torn ferry
Should I get the 570X?
eternal cairn
I guess?
Only problem is that I'd still have to see my potentially piss-poor cable management since it's tempered glass on all sides.
fleet canopy
It's kind of like "Fuck airflow lol lets add glass to everything"
Piss poor cable management is too damn shitty to fix and no point unless you're upgrading at least a lot of it
vapid crypt
There is benefit with faster RAM, it just matters more with Ryzen because it helps with the latency between CCXs
eternal cairn
It's one thing if you can't fix it, but it's another if you can see the disaster all the time.
CCXs?
fleet canopy
Cause at that point you'd just put the damn part out through all the wires, and then trying to put in the new part that you're upgrading
Aside from that, RAM is way easy unless the motherfucking CPU cooler is in the way
Then you gotta like, take it off
And then remove the sticks
Add the sticks
eternal cairn
Not a problem with AIO cooling. 😏
vapid crypt
It means Core Complex, its how they split up the cores
eternal cairn
Gotcha.
torn ferry
So what case should I get then?
vapid crypt
Where as Intel has all cores in one monolithic die
fleet canopy
New thermal paste, gotta put the mf back in while motherboard is in case, figure out where that cable had to go through, plug it in, realize you put it in slot 1/3 and cry inside as you repeat that process
vapid crypt
That's the major reason why Intel is technically faster in games, their cache and cores aren't split up so latency isn't there
fleet canopy
Unless you ordered 4 sticks 😎
torn ferry
I just want a good case that is still in stock. XD
eternal cairn
Whichever suits you more, @torn ferry. Style is up to you, but I think most of us would recommend a case with: good airflow, decent room for cable management, and a case that can actually hold your hardware in it.
fleet canopy
Just wait for the case to go in stock which is the only viable option
It's like waiting for Cyberpunk 2077
I want it
I have it
But
It's not out yet
torn ferry
I want all three if possible, but as much style as possible without sacrificing thermals or cable management.
But Cyberpunk 2077 hasn't been released yet.
These cases exist.
eternal cairn
Well, if it's style you want... 😏
fleet canopy
They're not in stock
eternal cairn
Look no further than infinity mirror cases.
vapid crypt
That 500p Mesh wasn't to your liking?
fleet canopy
Same thing for CB2077
torn ferry
Inwin 805 Infinity is too far.
fleet canopy
I'm just waiting
torn ferry
I heard how bad it performs thermals wise.
eternal cairn
There are other infinity mirror cases.
fleet canopy
Ew infinity mirror cases
Honestly really bad design
Cool, probably
Worth it? Nah
eternal cairn
Same could be said about RGB, but people still cling to that.
fleet canopy
You could probably make a p good infinity mirror for a case and not have it affect anything
Infinity mirror is just a big fat no
eternal cairn
I'm actually thinking of doing that.
torn ferry
Inwin 805 Infinity is something I want, but the thermals are almost at the bottom for worst.
eternal cairn
Best place for the infinity mirror would be on the right side though.
torn ferry
Does Amazon or other shipping companies sanitize boxes before they go out for delivery?
eternal cairn
I want this AOC monitor, but some jagoffs keep buying and reselling it at inflated prices.
vapid crypt
Not something I know about
eternal cairn
I doubt it since there's no methodical way to sanitize a box without getting it wet and potentially drenching the contents of the package.
vapid crypt
And not something to be concerned with, I heard the chances of catching it via surface contact is basically zero
torn ferry
At least I got my wolf mousepad being shipped.
eternal cairn
Plus, I'm pretty sure their employees wear masks at all times at work.
eternal cairn
I will kill for this monitor to be restocked right now. https://www.amazon.com/AOC-27G2-Frameless-Adjustable-Guarantee/dp/B07WSK5W7V/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=aoc+27g2&qid=1591149165&sr=8-1
fleet canopy
That's a p cool mouse mat but uhh
Depends how big it is tbh
I will kill for money
I just wanna experience 144fps
eternal cairn
Who needs money when you can just rob a Best Buy store for PC parts?
fleet canopy
Yeah!
eternal cairn
There's also Circuit C-- never mind.
eternal cairn
Nothing, it's stupid.
warped hedge
I mean nazo ain't wrong
fleet canopy
Best buy must suck then 👀
torn ferry
@fleet canopy the mousepad is about 12 inches wide by 31.5 inches long.
eternal cairn
Ooh! Better idea: buy an RTX card from Best Buy, swap out your old GTX 1000 series card with it (and possibly swap faceplates to be extra sly), and return the box.
fleet canopy
lmao
eternal cairn
Also, their Geek Squad couldn't do what I paid someone $30 on eBay to do.
torn ferry
Which is?
eternal cairn
Fix my 3DS.
fleet canopy
lmfao
fleet canopy
Probably good to look for those old games store
Gotta go to one nearby me, they've got PS3 controllers
eternal cairn
Too bad we have none of those.
torn ferry
How do you disinfect cloth mousepads?
eternal cairn
I almost thought the GameStop near me went out of business, but they were just undergoing a complete remodel.
The outer signs and all the posters were gone and the shelves inside were completely empty too.
fleet canopy
Glad to see that's still kicking in business
eternal cairn
Fill sink or bath with warm water and hand/dish soap. Toss mousepad in. Use a sponge to rub the mousepad surface lightly (apply a bit more pressure if the stains are more stubborn) Rinse the mousepad nicely, making sure there's no soap left. Pat the mousepad dry.
torn ferry
Gamestop bad.
eternal cairn
It is though.
fleet canopy
Well generally yes
torn ferry
Being a Gamestop employee: "You want to preorder this game that has no release date?"
fleet canopy
But also it's a quick "let's just see what the fuck it's got" while you're not at home
eternal cairn
I only go there to get a laugh out of how much they say they'll give me for my consoles and games.
fleet canopy
Being?
eternal cairn
You also forgot "and has no price".
fleet canopy
Well it's just been quite a long time since I've gone to one really
eternal cairn
Only time I recently bought something from GameStop was when I bought Super Smash Bros. for Wii U so I could get the Club Nintendo code and redeem it for the promotional CD soundtrack.
And then I quickly returned the game because I didn't have a Wii U.
eternal cairn
Why does PCPartPicker always have such small images?
eternal cairn
That Newegg price looks good, but fuck that Amazon price.
fleet canopy
That one looks uhh
Questionable
Yeah I'd never touch that myself
Buuuut the reviews
Are something?
fleet canopy
Def due to demands
eternal cairn
Aside from the CPU, motherboard, fans, and RAM upgrades, I'm surprised it's still over a grand.
fleet canopy
Pretty uhh
torn ferry
What makes the case questionable?
eternal cairn
Yeah... that's not right at all.
eternal cairn
Oh, well, it was nice to feel like my current build is worth over a grand.
eternal cairn
How?
fleet canopy
3900X with 1070?
eternal cairn
I plan on upgrading my GPU later since I don't really game as much as I used to.
eternal cairn
I can't believe my 1080p monitor is still $100.
fleet canopy
And then try to find the actual correct price
eternal cairn
Too hard. Brain is stuck in toaster now.
eternal cairn
I don't see the gear icon.
fleet canopy
eternal cairn
It's not showing it for me.
torn ferry
@fleet canopy what makes the case questionable? What about it is bad?
eternal cairn
I don't see very good airflow for the front of the case.
Also, I am in system builder.
fleet canopy
torn ferry
This is the review I found on tomshardware:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cougar-panzer-evo-rgb-atx-case,5649.html#:~:text=Overall%2C the Panzer EVO RGB,enthusiasts in all of us.
eternal cairn
^^
fleet canopy
Seems most likely airflow will be meh
fleet canopy
My best recommendation for a case with pretty great airflow is the Lian Li Dynamic 011 or the Meshify C
Meshify C has a white version, however not completely white; it still looks damn good
torn ferry
Though the Cougar case claims it can take EATX boards which is not true. XD
torn ferry
The photos seem to claim EATX boards cover up the cable management holes.
Does having a PSU shroud make anything easier?
torn ferry
I want one, but it seems white cases are out of stock unless I go for inferior options.
Are Full Tower cases more for EATX builds?
fleet canopy
If it says it's an EATX case, it's an EATX unless reviews say it isn't
If it's ATX, ATX and lower is supported
torn ferry
What is the reason you'd want an EATX board over standard ATX?
fleet canopy
kek
torn ferry
If you want to try to find it, go ahead.
restive garnet
@torn ferry to answer your question from a few hours ago
the difference between acrylic and tempered glass
acrylic is plastic, gets dirtier easier, is harder to clean, scratches easier (due to it being a softer material), but is also less rigid than glass, and deforms at lower temperatures, meaning it is less likely to break under impact, but will also flex under tension
glass on the other hand, does not scratch nearly as easily, is easier to clean, will shatter under impact, will not flex as much under tension and will shatter instead, will not deform under high temperatures, and is also a much better thermal conductor, for whatever little that is worth in the context of cases
probably also worth noting that tempered glass is also generally thicker and heavier than comparable acrylic, and can make a case weigh an absolute tonne
having tried both of them, I would take glass over acrylic any day, unless I REALLY wanted a particular style of window, which can only be formed out of acrylic, because of the sheer difficulty of making curved/bent tempered glass
torn ferry
Were you able to find the case I was trying to find?
Or has the case not been released yet?
vapid crypt
So that was actually the case the I tried ordering that Amazon kept failing to deliver
And right now its overpriced, I think its like 60 bucks on Newegg
vapid crypt
Its listed on the site, no info on release
torn ferry
The date the article was posted was in early April.
vapid crypt
Well everything's been delayed, so it must not be available here yet
torn ferry
Ah.
vapid crypt
That being said that looks like it would be a nice upgrade from my current case, I need one that can take a bigger air cooler
torn ferry
Which one? The MX410 RGB or the MX410 Mesh G RGB?
torn ferry
On the normal MX410 RGB, it says the front panel is acrylic.
While the side panel is tempered glass.
vapid crypt
Hmm
vapid crypt
Basically Acrylic won't shatter, but its harder to clean and scratches easier
torn ferry
Could I make a tempered glass panel of the exact dimensions?
vapid crypt
Possibly, but seems like too much effort to go through
torn ferry
I'll probably take the Mesh one instead.
vapid crypt
Hmm and I guess I won't bother with the case, it doesn't take 140mm fans
brisk badger
First start by painting ur gpu white, then try the tempered glass
torn ferry
Are three 120mm fans better than two 140mm fans?
brisk badger
In terms of airflow? Unlikely
vapid crypt
2 140s are more efficient in terms of sound/performance, otherwise 3 120s would cool better if you were to max both out and compare
torn ferry
The full tempered glass Panzer EVO seems to support 140mm fans, but it's all tempered glass.
brisk badger
More fans = more noise, more dust, more things that break over time, more vibration
brisk badger
Mostly for mainboards that have multiple sockets
torn ferry
Ah, I see.
restive garnet
in terms of airflow, 3x120mm is a good margin better than 2x140mm
also, in terms of static pressure generally speaking, the smaller the fan, the better
static pressure is only really a concern if your fans are hard up against something like a radiator tho
torn ferry
What are the two rectangles on the front panel for? Optical drives?
https://gyazo.com/13f85650b7f3ddf90123e2986cf28f1e
restive garnet
i think so
they look like 5.25 inch bays
it should tell you on the product page if it accepts 5.25 inch drives
brisk badger
Rip 5.25" 😕
torn ferry
What are 5.25 inch bays used for? DVD drives?
torn ferry
If anyone even uses DVDs in their PC anymore?
brisk badger
Yes most prominent
restive garnet
you can also get other bits and pieces
brisk badger
You can also mount a hdd into a 5.25
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like 3.5" adapters so you can run hot swap drives
brisk badger
Or other things wit converters
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or my old mans computer had a fan control hub in one of his bays
i know EKWB also make pumps that can fit 5.25" bays as well
primary use is as a bluray or dvd drive tho