skeleton: happy phil's question
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
halcyon apex
Are you giving away some parts?!
lilac geyser
sure if you come pick them up
halcyon apex
Where?
lilac geyser
texas
lilac geyser
your entire pc broke?
halcyon apex
I think that laptop that is better than this hunka-junk, yeah that broke
It had 8 gb ram (this one is 2) I had a way better video card (this one sucks)
So yeah
Broke just in time for me to suicide from boredom...
lilac geyser
check out one of those game streaking services, stadia or whatever (i'm not sure any other situation i'd recommend this)
they might have a free trial or something even, and then cheaper per month by far than a new pc
*streaming
lilac geyser
they use servers to run the games for you
and they stream it to you like youtube
so you just need a computer that can run youtube, and a decent enough internet to stream the video
lilac geyser
what happened to your laptop?
lilac geyser
guess you wont be repairing it...
lilac geyser
so it's being repaired?
halcyon apex
Hopefully
It has been said to be given back over 1 week
Been over a week
My 8 ram
My good laptop that could literally run many lit games
Probally stolen
But hey bro, gotta call it a night
Cya
lilac geyser
cya
lament merlin
thats a f
B450 tomahawk sold out
I was just about to get ;-;
anyone know another motherboard as good as the B450 Tomahawk max?
fleet canopy
Well that should be fine
lament merlin
so the B450 tomahawk should work fine with the 3300x?
fleet canopy
Well you might need a MAX actually @lament merlin
Thought they were supported already on al;l B450
lament merlin
well I don't know where to get one :/ on pcpartpicker it shows best buy and its sold out there
lament merlin
:)
proper wren
Msi confirmed b450 x X470 support for zen 3
fleet canopy
But not for all
And really, B450/X470 is confirmed to support Zen 3 and later only by removing support for everything before Ryzen 3000
vapid crypt
There's a good chance that most new B450 and X470 boards have flashed bioses already
If you go to a retail store in person, you can check the box if it says Ryzen 3000 ready or something like that
B550 is set to release mid June from what I've heard too 
proper wren
abstract kite
i mean i think even the non max versions should support ryzen 3000 now
depends on the vendor
merry bay
I see a fellow high precision dust displacement instrument user
late sorrel
Yeah afaik non max supports it too
molten tundra
All b450 and x470 boards support zen 2 / ryzen 3000, but not all support it out-of-box, some will need bios updates. If your board does not say "Ryzen 3000 Ready" on the box, then it likely needs a bios update. Many new boards have bios flashback systems that allow you to update or rollback the bios from a usb stick, but not all, so if you need to update the bios on the board, check to see if it has that feature. If not, the only other option would be to see if whatever vendor you are purchasing from has an option to update the bios for you, for example, memory express in western canada has technicians in the stores that can either build the entire system for you, for a fee, or do smaller things, such as updating the bios or installing the cpu for you if you buy the cpu and mobo as a package deal.
sweet kayak
hows everyone?
proper wren
proper wren
my package from intel has arrived
fleet canopy
What is it?
vapid crypt
So Zen 3 is apparently going to 5nm+
And with this news it will be announced sometime in Sep/Oct, with a release date of possibly as late as Q1 2021
lilac geyser
1600af is in-stock on amazon at slightly more than retail
bronze root
anyone else having very high gpu usage no no matter what settings they use, like even using settings on the low end or everything on the high end?
jade ermine
GPU usage should be at 100% or very close to it.
lilac geyser
"should" ?
bronze root
^
jade ermine
Yes should. If you have like 50% GPU usage it means you are having a bottleneck
bronze root
I mean that does make sense, Im just trying to run obs as well and use the NVENC setting. So I was wondering if there were other ways to give myself more headroom for that
jade ermine
What you mean with headroom
bronze root
I mean my rig shouldn't really struggle with this game that much, but it seems to. when running obs they would both crash in about 20 minutes. I might just be asking the wrong questions here tbh. I was just see if 100% usage was an issue or anything like that.
compared to other games I would only get about 60-80% usage max.
lilac geyser
you might get better help in #gtfo-technical-support
jade ermine
You use webcam or anything similar? NVENC had issue with webcams and stuff back in the day. Not sure if fixed
bronze root
@lilac geyser thanks and @jade ermine they did come out with an updated version. I'll go switch to that channel in a bit, thanks for clarifying a few things.
lilac geyser
fwiw i only noticed like a 5fps difference in turning things down from high to medium, or equivalent
so i too would like to know how to optimize gtfo settings
vapid crypt
I would have performance issues when I would stream this game personally, but it wasn't the game that was struggling it was the stream. It seemed to only happen when I had the game set to anything other than Exclusive Fullscreen, but even then it seems that was only a temporary solution. Not really sure what was the cause for it, but I haven't had those issues anymore.
proper wren
Intel blanket, 2 Intel cups, Coffee, intel notepad with a strap ye
and 4 different coffee types
fleet canopy
The Gamer Meld video is one I wouldn't always follow because it's full of GIFs, those flashy cartoony images and the voice is kind of robotic as hell
torn ferry
Awful disappointment build of 2020:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ggKNHB
eternal cairn
@manic arch Please keep this channel on topic.
fleet canopy
I agree, not very good
10600K with 2080 Ti is probably good, but I would go for a 10700K or 10900K
You can also just get an M.2 500GB of a different brand cause that’s more cheaper
torn ferry
What brands are also good?
vapid crypt
Why even bother with the 10700K when you can get 12 cores at the same price? I think Steve hit it on the head, if you're going intel get either the 10600K cause of its price/performance or 10900K because its the best in its stack
torn ferry
My friend told me that the 10700k is negligible in performance increase for the price.
vapid crypt
Right, exactly. With the right configuration the 10600k will offer the same performance in games
fleet canopy
I haven’t really seen much news on it
I’m mainly ignoring it mostly because it’s still kind of being beaten by AMD, and the 14nm thing
vapid crypt
The 10700K just looks dumb when the 3900X costs the same, and it bodies it in everything but gaming... at 1080p 
torn ferry
Just make a good white motherboard.
vapid crypt
I doubt it
torn ferry
Is the 10th gen even out yet?
vocal crest
Yeah it is
torn ferry
How long until reviews come in for both processors and the new boards?
vapid crypt
Oh compared to the 10600K you mean?
fleet canopy
Reviews came out like a week or two ago
Gamers nexus got some
I honk
Honk
Ducking
Help
vocal crest
Never buy the first stepping anyways
torn ferry
I still don't see reviews on pcpartpicker for them though.
fleet canopy
I hate mobile
fleet canopy
Reviews from users are not always best, I take pcpp a bit more serious than amazon because amazon customers are kind of dumb
vocal crest
Pcpp is more for newbies
vapid crypt
That goes for almost all retail site reviews
vapid crypt
If I had a dime for every time I saw someone rate something a 1/5 cause it arrived DOA
fleet canopy
For the coolers, GPUs, fans I have to check myself but I know I’m usually in clear for just getting 120-140mm anyways
Aside from that, I kind of just prefer a quick simple way of putting together a list
fleet canopy
AWD?
vocal crest
Amazon warehouse deals
fleet canopy
Ah
vocal crest
Stuff is 50% off already and they toss an extra 25%
fleet canopy
Amazon has a bunch of sales funny enough
vocal crest
I’ve gotten $700 mobos for $150
fleet canopy
Newegg’s kind of a joke now I guess due to the whole price increase
Want 100$ mobo? It’s 200$ now
vocal crest
It depends on how strict places are about warranty and authorized distributors
That’s why some people buy CDW
Even though it’s marked up like 2x
fleet canopy
Ah so the price isn’t just bullshit then sometimes?
vapid crypt
Those price hikes you see on Newegg are third party sellers exploiting low stock atm
vocal crest
Not everything is about price
Esp if you get counterfeit stuff
Plus if you need to buy a whole tray of CPUs Newegg isn’t your place
fleet canopy
Well low stock seemed more obvious
I mean, do the manufactures have their own buying page? Now I wonder about it
vocal crest
EVGA does for ex
fleet canopy
Ah
vocal crest
They are the biggest known one with their b stock sales
fleet canopy
Linked to 3rd party like amazon?
vocal crest
Nope on their own website
fleet canopy
Ah
vocal crest
Most people try and snipe titanium PSU refurbs off there
vocal crest
It’s only really needed for 1000W up
fleet canopy
Oh?
vocal crest
Because you might actually blow a breaker
For a PSU to deliver 1500W at silver or gold it needs to pull closer to 1900W from the wall
Plus if you are actually loading it to 900+W
The gold/silver will run a lot hotter
And the fans will kick in
Which are loud
1000W+ Psu fans are crazy loud when they get up to max speed . Most people never get there though
fleet canopy
So it’s just the efficiency keeping them going strong
vocal crest
Yeah most people don’t need them they are for specialized builds
I.e multiple PSU motherboards
But parts when you are doing that are crazy expensive
So $200-300 on a PSU is a rounding error
Like that barely is tax on the rest of the parts lol
vocal crest
If your build is actually drawing 900W
fleet canopy
Ah
vocal crest
Not the PSU
fleet canopy
So just really depends how much draw you get, you need better efficiency
vocal crest
If your build is drawing 900W you need a 1300W Plat
Because of where you are on the efficiency curve
fleet canopy
Yeah I usually stay within 300W of how much it could draw
vocal crest
Also it’s cus of surge loads
fleet canopy
Oh yeah that can be a thing as well
vocal crest
Like if you are overclocking a 600W TDP processor the amount of stress it puts on the 12V rail with a small fluctuation in Vcore is far greater than a measly 100W
So you need a far bigger buffer to keep the ripples from affecting stability at the PSU level
If you put a oscilloscope or multimeter on the 12V molex rails you can see it happen when you start playing a game
And it pulls more amps down for a brief moment until it stabilizes
abstract kite
I'm to tired to be reading this rocket science.
lilac geyser
proper wren
Whats the build about?
I don't think 500w would be enough for 2070 super
there's no ssd
It's an 8th gen cpu on a b365M, can't be overclocked but on a build like that and an overkill heatsink is not worth it at all
@craggy oracle Are you planning a build?
brisk badger
RIP Western Digital; the company I put trust into over many years :'(
https://www.hattislaw.com/cases/investigations/western-digital-lawsuit-for-shipping-slower-smr-hard-drives-including-wd-red-nas/
proper wren
No big surprise
brisk badger
tbh it is. Many used WD disks especially for bigger nas environemnts. I only used wd red for the past 10 years 😕
big companies have no respect when it comes to saving costs. I mean their engineers must have known that at some point people will find out, yet they did this move. Will cost them millions, sell your WD shares
craggy oracle
@proper wren i already have the missing parts on a shitty pc that i use for everything, including playing and yeah, ill change the power supply
proper wren
replace the psu
for sure
get an ssd or m.2
and maybe switch the mobo for a z290
z390*
fleet canopy
You def could pull out more better stuff with 1500$
That monitor also isn't really that great kek
4ms
@craggy oracle You still want to stick with Intel or AMD?
craggy oracle
intel
although amd is cheaper fi think intel performs better from what a friend told me
fleet canopy
Basically AMD performs great on everything but for gaming, which isn't exactly notable, Intel performs great in games but not in everything else
craggy oracle
oh
fleet canopy
Doesn't really matter if you're just gaming though
craggy oracle
yeah
fleet canopy
@fleet canopy Oh yeah how much are you willing to pay? 1500$ for a PC not including monitor? Or 1000$?
craggy oracle
uh 2166 euros
late sorrel
who cares about gaming performance
vapid crypt
Well I would hope gamers do, we're well past the 720p 30fps era
fleet canopy
Gaming performance is perfect if you're just a gamer
I could probably go with an Intel 11th gen if they don't do 14nm
vapid crypt
Rocket Lake will most likely be 14nm still
I could be wrong though, I just heard it was Alder Lake basically whatever is 12th gen that will finally use 10nm
vapid crypt
But yeah, I think looking at a CPU for gaming performance in mind and just that isn't a smart way of looking at it. What effects gaming performance most is a graphics card, as long as the CPU isn't too slow it doesn't matter. The performance difference between AMD and Intel atm is at an average of like 8% in favor of Intel at like 1080p pretty much, at 1440p that closes to less than 3% if that
fleet canopy
Intel still reign for gaming performance perhaps? But with AMD's offering, Intel is kind of shit choice for the prices
vapid crypt
Also the only reason there is a performance difference is just because of AMD's design. They use a chiplet design splitting cores between 2 or more CCXs, great for binning and splitting up a product stack; not so great when it comes to latency; which is fairly important for something like gaming
sick reef
No reason to get a lower tier Intel, from a price standpoint.
Is a good consideration to have.
fleet canopy
Yeah, pretty worthless getting Intel
jade ermine
zen3 could just improve that and boom killer chips
fleet canopy
But people have preferences, oh well
That's what I'm hoping out of Zen 3, better gaming performance
Because then that'll absolutely wreck Intel
jade ermine
For me its pretty much whatever because im GPU bottlenecked in every game 
if i switched to 10900K i would gain maybe 2 fps
fleet canopy
All you'd need is a better GPU then?
jade ermine
.... when new stuff comes out im selling my 2080
fleet canopy
Wait what
jade ermine
zen 3 2021
vocal crest
To be fair most people are prob better off spending the cash on a 240hz monitor for improved actual gaming perf
fleet canopy
So what exactly do you mean? Is your CPU good?
jade ermine
i got 3900X lol
vocal crest
And an optical keyboard
fleet canopy
4K?
fleet canopy
Considerably more tougher to run 3440x1440p than 2560x1440?
jade ermine
its between 4k and 2560x1440
fleet canopy
Ah, so it's just a little tougher then
jade ermine
yus
monster hunter world some fights are around 45fps with medium high mixed settings
hd texture pack
fleet canopy
f
jade ermine
next gen flagship should bring that up closer to 100's
especially if dlss 2.0 becomes a thing in that game 
fleet canopy
Probably, with all the new stuff sure
They might have an option to have DLSS2.0 in the nvidia control panel
jade ermine
hype
fleet canopy
I barely touch the nvidia control panel though
Holy lord it takes forever to right click
The PC did some wack shit
This PC somehow is slowly getting shit
At this point my brother's PC is better than what I have just because it's so holy bad
Perhaps the SSD is kind of getting shit because it's hit 0 bits before
Or something just decides to die
fleet canopy
860 Evo probably kind of oofin
It's like 2 years old though
Or a little more
But still
jade ermine
little monkaS
78%
it has been holding up great so far so im hopeful it will last another 2 years
fleet canopy
Dunno how RAM performance is supposed to be like, since I have like 7GB being used atm lmfao
I finally opened up FIle Explorer
fleet canopy
At least it still plays Minesweeper like a pro
fleet canopy
Yes
vocal crest
I have a 5 year old 4790k on DDR3-3000 that still games like a champ
In fact @4.7 prob beats most people’s “gaming” cpus still
fleet canopy
Yeah I know how older CPUs can be
It's amazing that they still outperform many CPUs
vapid crypt
Not so much amazing as it shows how much Intel stagnated with their performance post Sandy Bridge
vocal crest
Dunno it hangs in there with most of the latest amd stuff too
vapid crypt
Oh I don't deny that
vocal crest
Like maybe I just blanked out how bad bulldozer was
Like if someone needed a cheap <$500 gaming PC a decent vid card + scavenged old 4790k off eBay would be my best bet
Even a 4700k would prob suffice
Even though it only has 16 lanes it’s prob good enough in a pinch
vapid crypt
Well that's an idea for dirt cheap builds, though with the 3300X existing at ~$120 makes a similar budget pc with new components fairly easy to put together
vocal crest
Yeah but ram will go through that easily though
With 3300X
DDR3 is practically given away at this point
vapid crypt
I suppose, DDR3 could be found pretty cheap I would guess 
vocal crest
Lol gaming with a 2080 ti and 4790k
It would hold up a lot better than most people would expect
Main downside of 4790k is no nvme support
fleet canopy
Samsung does great performance for SSDs
So yeah, a 820 Evo is a good one
NVME is pretty much a worthless buy unless they come in good prices
vocal crest
The idea was kinda a gaming Pc that can toe the line
With modern day stuff for $500
I would say 2070 with some luck + haswell salvage prob best bet
Or a pentium g4500 salvage if you can find it
fleet canopy
There's not really much trouble needed for a good PC
I think AMD's 5500XT goes for a really cheap price?
For 200$, that's not too bad I guess
vapid crypt
Eh, the 1650 super kinda beats it at price/performance tbh
fleet canopy
Oh?
vapid crypt
I think those go for $160-$180 at the same performance
Only thing is they're all 4gb, where as 5500XT can come with 8gb
fleet canopy
Wouldn't really matter too much since it'll just run 1080p
vapid crypt
Looks like the 4gb 5500xt are in the same price range though
vapid crypt
They're roughly the same I think in performance
Somewhere in the RX 580/590 GTX 1060 level of performance
lilac geyser
ive have been thinking about upgrading but theres very little reason
i even went to a 1440 monitor with my haswell
and yeah i lost a few frames, but its still ok
worst thing about it is all the thermal paste turned into dust
i really want to delid now
cause the cpu cooler paste didnt last
but none of that really matters at the moment
i'm just wishing all the protestors in minneapolis stay safe tonight
i literally did not sleep last night watching everything unfold on livestreams and updates
lilac geyser
all of the officers who were present are responsible for George Floyd's death
not just the ones who were physically restraining him
late sorrel
absolute facts but this isn’t the place for that
lilac geyser
this issue transcends all topics, this is a human issue, as long as humans are participating in this channel it will be relevant
fleet canopy
I'm trying to avoid that topic since uhh
lilac geyser
but if you want me to pidgeon-hole it, um, i am amazed at how technology allows us to view these events unfold in real time
fleet canopy
It is like part of a political thing
late sorrel
yeah games are totally apolitical
fleet canopy
Yeah, the phones aren't shitty images anymore
Prices on them are bullshit though
I don't ever wanna pay half a thousand for a phone that has some shitty 3 camera zoom doo hickey
I'll barely ever use it anyways
Maybe
I wish they didn't degrade the shit out of phones really
vocal crest
They should have the $50 battery replacement thing extended indefinitely
But they won’t cus that will hurt sales
fleet canopy
Oh no my monies !!!!
How am I supposed to pay for big car and plane and building!
Maybe I can try making some wheels and get monies!
mm yeah baby
Make wheel
And sell more phones!
vocal crest
Apple doesn’t need to make phones at this point . They make more money off their cash on hand than half their product lines
They have $207B which at a measly 2% interest spits out $4B a year without having to do a single thing
sick reef
They have 207B in margin, or in affairs, or profit, or value?
Because, boy, you get into the wording in economics, you realise that a ton of the wordings means in practice jack shit.
lilac geyser
they have a tremendous amount of cash reserves, mostly offshore
at least if they maintained the status quo from a few years ago when news sources were covering it
vocal crest
They have cash
Actual $207B in cash reserves
It sitting in their internal hedge fund Braeburn
pulsar hound
friend of mine made a mistake and got an intel motherboard, what are some good options for a CPU if he wants to do 1080p 60fps in modern games?
vapid crypt
Any CPU made in the last decade will handle 1080p 60hz no problem
The question is, what is the motherboard he got?
Cause not just any cpu will work with any motherboard, intel makes a new chipset every generation and only supports a chipset every two generations
Actually you know what I just realized that statement for any CPU isn't accurate if we look at Bulldozer stuff... but let's just forget those existed
pulsar hound
LGA1151 socket
fleet canopy
Exact motherboard though?
vapid crypt
That's the socket, which they've used for years
pulsar hound
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019M0FBZW?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 think this is the mobo
vapid crypt
But what's the chipset?
pulsar hound
Intel H110
fleet canopy
That looks old
pulsar hound
indeed it is
fleet canopy
Intel is so strange as fuck with their numbers
vapid crypt
Oh wow
vapid crypt
Wait 7 years ago I don't think that's possible
vapid crypt
At least if that's the right motherboard
fleet canopy
Couple years ago
pulsar hound
that's what he said and I didn't bother to check release date
certainly could have misremembered
vapid crypt
Well that chipset came out in 2015
fleet canopy
Yeha
vapid crypt
So if he got it 7 years ago, it could be older than that
pulsar hound
no I mean
vapid crypt
Uh I'm thinking Ivy Bridge or something
fleet canopy
Either he's dum dum with the time or that's the exact or closest you can get with chipset and socket
pulsar hound
I know the motherboard since it came from a screenshot of his specs
fleet canopy
I don't think motherboards changed much over time with the looks
vapid crypt
When it comes to low end motherboards, they don't change their looks very much
proper wren
fleet canopy
Looks epic.
proper wren
fleet canopy
Looks epic.
fleet canopy
Hm.
torn ferry
How are the new Intel processors?
vapid crypt
Nothing special, they're a slight improvement in terms of clocks. They improved thermals by slimming the silicon and making the IHS thicker, that was just to make up for pushing clocks and core counts slightly higher though
torn ferry
How do the new processors compare to an 8700k?
fleet canopy
Nothing special
vapid crypt
Really not a big improvement unless you need more cores
fleet canopy
Just a little more clock and boo hoo
vapid crypt
Like the 10600K is basically the same core and thread count equivalent to the 8700K, the performance is basically the same
LTT just uploaded this, pretty relevant to the question if your current CPU is still good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SyLqFuf_SU
proper wren
So people that developed the forest came to the store for asus 6100x router whatever lol
lilac geyser
i do not understand why ltt is pushing for 10gig or even 2.5gig NICs
i just dont understand the use case for most people
vocal crest
@lilac geyser its for Wifi6 backhaul
fleet canopy
f
vapid crypt
Here's hoping shipments start opening up soon enough
vapid crypt
I saw that the new Ryzen 3 processors, well specifically the 3300X have been sold out on Newegg I can't really confirm elsewhere though. Clearly a short supply there
proper wren
3300x we has a bunch
vapid crypt
Guess its been more popular here
fleet canopy
Yeah I think it's just the not newer ones getting harder to get a hold of??
torn ferry
Are parts running out of stock due to coronavirus?
vapid crypt
Sort of, shipments are delayed overall
So certain demands are overtaking what stock there is
vapid crypt
Not terribly interested in RGB ram, but if I had to pick probably the Trident Z RGB stuff from G.skill
fleet canopy
G.Skill def makes it pretty good
vapid crypt
I suppose if you're into shiny stuff there's the Trident Z Royals, that's some pricy ram though
fleet canopy
I've seen it at same exact price as regular trident z
Well probably like only a couple dollars more which isn't really noteworthy
vapid crypt
From what I just looked up that isn't the case, but who knows
fleet canopy
Probably like a 30$ difference from the cheapest 3200MHz DDR4 CAS16 RAM atm
In 16GB
vapid crypt
Yeah
vapid crypt
3200 is kind of entry level now
fleet canopy
Wait it seems they've lowered the prices for the 32GB 3200MHz CAS14
vapid crypt
With what we've been hearing about the Zen 2 refresh
fleet canopy
There was one that was 250$, came down to like 210$
vapid crypt
4000mhz is the new 3600
vapid crypt
Often?
vapid crypt
For 32gb?
vapid crypt
I wouldn't get that anyway, B-die memory should OC easy to that
fleet canopy
How much of a difference is it from 3600 to 4000 though really
vapid crypt
Uh dunno, but what I meant by that is the refresh will support an infinity fabric clock of 2ghz meaning 4000mhz memory is the best price/performance
We'll see just how much that improves performance
fleet canopy
So 4000MHz at this point is a good bet for Zen 3
vapid crypt
Well for the Zen 2 refresh
Might be different for Zen 3
I'm sure either way its plenty fast
fleet canopy
Oh
vapid crypt
So I found a pretty affordable B-die kit
It should OC nicely
And its cheaper than the 3200 one, while using the same memory I'm sure
torn ferry
I just want to know which RGB ram kit I should get. XD
How does the Trident Z Royal look in actual builds compared to photos of the product?
fleet canopy
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/LpxG3C
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/k2sZxr
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/TfJ8TW
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/sRbXsY
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/dRWD4D
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/RHgLrH
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/HzTBD3
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/xmMZxr
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/c29G3C
They are all builds by people, but all has the Trident Z Royal
torn ferry
What do you think of it?
fleet canopy
I mean, it looks pretty nice
Perhaps I would pick it up, since it doesn't seem like it interferes with white that much tbh
torn ferry
So far the RAM I've looked at was the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro.
fleet canopy
Trident Z is like pretty neat I guess. They have some nice designs, like their Trident Z that was made to be Ryzen compactible outta the box
torn ferry
Ryzen compactible?
fleet canopy
Basically it goes well with Ryzen
But the price for them is kind of dumb
Trident Z Neo
I could have felt like getting them if perhaps the white was a bit more, and that they weren't that bad in price
torn ferry
I currently like the RGB Pro RAM.
Is the core clock of a 2080 Ti supposed to be lower than the 2080?
vapid crypt
G.skill recognizes AMD's product as market leaders in the DIY desktop space so they will use it to market their memory, its a clever idea I suppose
fleet canopy
Need white build
Rather would have as less other colors aside from white
I do like the black however
abstract kite
You're trying to make an all white PC?
abstract kite
Thought that was someone else's goal
fleet canopy
Nah, his and I were the same
fleet canopy
White PSU won't matter for having Lian Li 011-D
Just get any good PSU, buy custom white cables, boom
abstract kite
I'm not familiar with the Lain. I assume a Case.
fleet canopy
abstract kite
Not white enough
abstract kite
And has black trim.
fleet canopy
Can be covered
abstract kite
Won't be the same
crisp sage
Psu shroud?
fleet canopy
PSU goes onto the back of the case
PSU won't even matter on color
That bend on the backside right is where PSU goes
So it's pretty much the most hidden thing
crisp sage
ooooh alright
I was like cases with no PSU shrouds are ugly
I've got an s340 elite, pre decent case
molten tundra
The o11d is a beautiful case, really wishing I had opted for it in my build. Well, the xl variant, to be specific, but eh, same difference. I can attest to the trident z royals being good ram though, currently running them in mine. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get them to their rated 3200mhz, but that's all down to first gen ryzen being a flaky b++++ with ram. But the system is rock-solid and stable running them at 3000mhz.
sick reef
A white case is good if you don't live close to a road.
torn ferry
When do you think shortages will be resolved though?
I know it's based on trying to get the parts shipped out.
merry bay
At least in my area, restocking seems just as frequent, just at lesser volume. If things sell out quick, it might seem troubling
torn ferry
A lot of the parts I need are out of stock.
So I don't know if I should just buy different parts or wait.
fleet canopy
I’d just wait
vapid crypt
Steve's video there mentioned shipping out stock will start in June, at least when specifically referring to Power supplies
Might be the case for most things
abstract kite
No. PSU prices were on the rise before the Virus.
You can thank the trade war for that.
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
It was from the trade war with China in particular, since they're largely assembled there
abstract kite
^
vapid crypt
Hmm
fleet canopy
Ah, yeah
torn ferry
Will I have to fear parts disappearing altogether or will they be in stock eventually?
fleet canopy
Don't see why the parts will disappear
torn ferry
Where do the parts get shipped from for people to buy?
fleet canopy
I think various countries depending on the parts
vapid crypt
The only way they would disappear is if manufacturing were to be stopped altogether, which hasn't entirely been the case. Its just shipping delays
vocal crest
Enthusiasts are the lowest priority on the supply chain sadly
Like big companies have priority over us and jump the queue
It’s well known FB/ Google have unreleased intel 10nm servers running in their data centers . Intel just recently qualified a PCIE 4.0 optane on a customer setup but we will never see it for another 2 yrs .
lilac geyser
if you're not working be aware most companies have stopped almost all travel
this alone is enough to fuck up all kinds of timelines like product releases
for us our product qualification/certification is massivly fucked because this kind of testing gets witnessed by the relevant party
at this time both the certification groups and the manufacturers cant travel, and the test labs don't want visitors
its not going to be like this forever
static flume
3 monitor GTFO setup. (Ignore my voice) Game glitched and would not send us back to lobby after everyone was downed. I got downed right after I got back up, maybe that triggered the glitch. We waited for 30 seconds then quit the game. It worked fine after.
vocal crest
I would think CPU lithography is prob one of the safest factories to be working in atm . The chance of transmission is almost 0 due to how sterile modern fab clean rooms are .
torn ferry
Lithography?
late sorrel
high key need to try trip monitor gtfo
did you use freesync?
0r watever it;s called
eyefinity
fleet canopy
Oh no triple monitor gaming
I’d only ever recommend for racing, uhh
Mainly racing
Just set up monitors so you got left monitor facing out left window, middle is middle, right faces right window
Add in steering wheel possibly complete with a gas/brake and possibly a shift stick, boom
Epic racing experience I’d definitely get
left rose
i talked to a guy who had a 7 monitor setup
mellow field
?
wheat magnet
I have told you this channel is not for posting personal pictures
mellow field
ok
fleet canopy
@left rose 7 monitors? That reminds me of a doctor
left rose
kek
i asked what he uses it for, he said
1 for gaming, 1 for streaming, 1 for discord, 4 for surfing the web
fleet canopy
Epic
Netflix, YouTube, whatever else, whatever else
Seems pretty neat
Or be an epic gamer and have a wallpaper that works perfectly with 7 monitors
vocal crest
I’ve seen 7 used before in portrait mode
But it was someone who was running a mini NOC and spent at least 100 hours building his graphana setup
fleet canopy
For a minute I thought it said "100 hours building his grandpa's setup"
vocal crest
It’s kinda ridiculous for most uses as most applications don’t handle that many monitors well and it takes forever to move your mouse across monitors
But with 7 touchscreen capable monitors + graphana it made for a good shiny thing to show clients
Made them feel like they were in the matrix lol
fleet canopy
Touch screen to come with monitors is pretty great. Now your cursor hasn't disappeared to the emptiness of the web
You could always turn on one of the functions to have your cursor show easily when moved, but I don't think it's on Windows
And plus, it's kind of meh
vocal crest
The only place I have actually seen more monitors actually is inside of one of those fully automated John Deere tractors
fleet canopy
Haha
vocal crest
There’s like 15 monitors in those things
fleet canopy
Wild
vocal crest
It’s like a fricking space ship
Thing basically drives itself plus it coordinates it’s own Unmanned vehicle convoy . Modern farming is more complicated than actually managing a server farm .
fleet canopy
Yeah
And plus
You'd think farmers wouldn't be making so much money meanwhile they have automated vehicles for farming
vocal crest
Economies of scale
You have essentially 10 people managing acres that would be unimaginable a decade ago
Like One of my friends parents the 2 of them alone raise 4 million chickens ... with extra help occasionally.
Like that’s not an exaggeration they have 4 huge warehouses sitting on their property that’s basically cloud managed by an offsite team for them
fleet canopy
Wild
vocal crest
Chickens as a service CaaS
fleet canopy
I don't see more benefits other than just 2 simple monitors
fleet canopy
4K could be worth it though, because I play games like Warzone. Turned off RTX on that, looks like pure fucking shit
Pixels literally everywhere
left rose
4k is hard to run past 30
fleet canopy
2560x1440p display too
fleet canopy
I'm gonna assume Intel wins in some cases and AMD wins in cases where multi-thread is used
vapid crypt
Actually you'd be surprised
The 3700X ended up being faster at CS:GO both averages and lows
And with both GPUs tested
fleet canopy
Hm, well it is after all a CPU focused game
Not sure how that manages to be better though
vapid crypt
But basically with the 2080ti on average the Intel part was faster
vapid crypt
But with something like the 2060 super, they're nearly the same
jade ermine
....yessss?
fleet canopy
Is it your new Russian raid air horn now?
jade ermine
Im not too sure what i will do with these yet lol
jade ermine
Screws fit to my hwlabs radiators so that could be something fun
fan is 38mm thic radiator 30mm
vapid crypt
fleet canopy
So it only really affects higher end GPUs basically?
vapid crypt
So it seems, but keep in mind we're talking about competitive settings
So all low settings
fleet canopy
All low?
vapid crypt
Right, all low settings to max out framerates
fleet canopy
Well competitive players do use low settings, so you're not wrong ig
vapid crypt
When we're looking at 1440p High there will be almost no distinction between either processor with any GPU
fleet canopy
Wild
jade ermine
so when 360hz monitors are mainstream and you play games for living go with intel
fleet canopy
Maybe not
jade ermine
hihi
fleet canopy
AMD could get their benefits beating Intel in some competitive games
vapid crypt
I suppose, though considering you get those framerates with a midrange card and there's no difference in that scenario
Go for the better deal
fleet canopy
Depending what you have of course
vapid crypt
This does prove you don't need a flagship card to get those kinds of framerates though.
Unless you're trying to max out on a high refresh 1440p monitor or something
jade ermine
true
most phones have the power to do e-sport games
vapid crypt
Oh I'm referring to the context of competitive settings
fleet canopy
My phone never will
vapid crypt
How old is your phone?
fleet canopy
I personally have it as high as I can get
iphone 6
And plus, it's always annoying to see some pixels for some reasons unknown
vapid crypt
What is that like 5 years old or something?
fleet canopy
Sept 9 2014
jade ermine
time flies
vocal crest
360 hz monitors will need 0.1 ms input lag and thunderbolt keyboards / mice to reduce USB latency lol
fleet canopy
Haha
Only see benefits for it in competitive anyways, so it’ll be a while until we get 360Hz with 0.1ms
Perhaps even manage that much but idk what the most you can get FPS out of yet
vocal crest
I dunno I wonder how many FPS you’ll get if you go back to Q3A
Someone should try the old benchmarks from the 2000s and see how they’ve aged
Granted 64 bit support might be an issue
fleet canopy
I believe wherever the logo is facing, air goes that direction
vapid crypt
Its exhausting
If that makes sense leave it as is
I can't really tell where that is though, is that the top of the case?
fleet canopy
Seems like it
vapid crypt
Oh wait I was mistaken that's an intake
vapid crypt
Yeah, basically leave your intakes for where you have some kind of dust filtration
Open parts like that are best to exhaust from
jade ermine
@fleet canopy rather manly push pull setup
fleet canopy
Looks mega thicc
jade ermine
Fan sex for you @merry bay
keen wigeon
torn ferry
Why is everything becoming price gouged?
fleet canopy
Because coronavirus and demands perhaps
vapid crypt
Scalpers are cancer
fleet canopy
scalpers?
afaik just PSU, possibly RAM is gouged, but I've seen 32GB DDR4-3200MHz CAS14 went from 250$ to 200$
vapid crypt
People who buy out stock to re-sell at inflated prices
An example of that is those who were buying out all the paper and hand sanitizer just to resell
fleet canopy
Boo.
torn ferry
When do you think prices and stock will be normal again? September?
fleet canopy
I wouldn't mind so much about stocks
But uhh
It changes a shitload times
I think atm it might be a good time to invest in some, seeing how some have lost their jobs, and you could benefit a lot from it
Prices imo already seem normal?
I've checked them, they haven't changed too much
torn ferry
The case I need is $400 on Amazon, how is that normal? Isn't the O11 Dynamic XL usually $200?
vapid crypt
Actually its normally 150
fleet canopy
I've just seen RAM get lower prices by a small margin
torn ferry
$190 for 4x8 32 GB C16 3200mhz.
vapid crypt
Actually Like I've posted before that can be found for 100 - 130
Unless you're trying to get Trident Royals
torn ferry
Will this take a while to get back to normal?
fleet canopy
But those are like 16GB aren't they?
Oh yeah I meant 2x16
About any good well known RAM decreased from 250 down to 200$
torn ferry
So I don't know if I should buy what parts I can now, or wait until everything is normal.
fleet canopy
Just hunt for better prices on them
vapid crypt
You could try the second hand market for certain things
torn ferry
Second hand market?
vapid crypt
Used market, you know. Craigslist, ebay whatever
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
How many bad offers are there out of the good offers?
fleet canopy
Or wait for like sales which doesn't seem anytime soon
vapid crypt
I'm not sure what that means
fleet canopy
How many offers are a fat mega joke compared to legit ones basically
vapid crypt
No way of knowing that really
tight agate
yea ppl just like messing with you when your selling
brisk badger
Did any of you bought DDR4 am during 2016 and 2017 or remember what happened to RAM? Prices today are still way below today 😋
Also fuck samsung, fuck Hynix and fuck Micron for price fixing. It'll happen again (maybe with ddr5 ? ehehe), history will repeat itself
fleet canopy
I don't really remember much for prices back then
Wasn't very smart in PCs at that time
brisk badger
well kinda needed if you bought a CPU that only supported DDR4 😛
fleet canopy
I'm surprised I was given a top of the line CPU with a 1060 3GB though
It being the 7700K ofc
fleet canopy
With a midrange poo poo GPU
brisk badger
i wonder if a 1060 is faster than a radeon rx 580. probably is but has this weird 3gb vram
fleet canopy
Pretty sure 3GB was what made it kind of shit compared to a 580 I guess
brisk badger
i think 3gb are great for competitive gaming setups for 1080p but that's it
brisk badger
it's still a big market, especially in asia were coffeeshops or whatever you call them have like 20 gaming pc's inside
1440p gave me headache. 1440p + 144hz made my life worse for some time
fleet canopy
Getting used to it when changing?
brisk badger
accomplishing (more or less) constant 144 frames, it was not easy
no technical knowhow could solve this issue, only the wallet
fleet canopy
Ah, I see
fleet canopy
So apparently Samsung are lowering their prices on SSDs
vocal crest
DDR 4 was so cheap back then 64 GB rdimms were $120 each
I maxed out a couple of our servers
Then we didn’t buy anything for 3 years lol
Was joking with the boss we should just sell half the ram on eBay and buy another couple servers instead
They lowing prices on Pro or just the crap tier QVO ?
vocal crest
Cus it’s Qvo it’s probably cus no one is buying it when it has a lower write speed than a sdcard once the cache is exhausted
vocal crest
That said Pro sticks are kinda useless too considering they will overheat in most m2 slots after just 60s of use at their max specs
Even with silly MB heat sinks
merry bay
I'd be eager to know what kind of workload demands that kind of use, and why wouldn't you be using RAID
lilac geyser
downloading a lot of data maybe, we have 2gig home internet plans in my city
vocal crest
A simple SQL join query on a columnstore table will do that
We aren’t even talking pivots or other aggregation stuff
merry bay
To consumers, overheating in daily use is extremely unlikely. But I guess that's why you highlighted "Pro" drives.
vocal crest
That’s pretty much the only reason why you would buy pro over EVO
Other than you being too cheap to buy U2 drives
lilac geyser
how does this guy get off using a link shortener run by his own project for official GTFO announcements
even if not a conflict of interest it certianly appears like one
lilac geyser
good ethics always apply
if anyone wants the link without tracking, here it is https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/gaming?iso=20200611T13&p0=239&msg=Rundown+3+-+'The+Vessel'&font=sanserif
restive garnet
you talking about the rundown 3 anouncement?
lilac geyser
yes
restive garnet
ah, wasnt sure
i got the notification, went to check it and got kicked from the discord for my trouble
lilac geyser
since were airing complaints the mod contact bot spams people who use it with an invite to some destiny discord server, which surprise surprise seems also to be run by him
restive garnet
lmao, probably better to air that out in the discord suggestions channel
brisk badger
no, I only read in this channel
lilac geyser
i try to not interact with him, he banned me once and said that it was a warning, no prior contact had been made by him
restive garnet
ill take your word for it
tho wooza, i saw you said something about ram from around 2017-2018
im ashamed to admit i bought some, cost me an arm, a leg and a kidney
brisk badger
yea me too. When I bought the 6600k there was no other choice :/
it was also not clear back then that the price has been fixed only rumored
restive garnet
i just checked the receipt
$703 NZD
wanted to pick up something nice for my 8700k
ended up managing to track down some REALLY nice ram on newegg
2x16gb tridentz rgb clocked at 3866mhz
i was a tad annoyed seeing the same kit, but in 3600 mhz for about 300 bucks a week or two ago
brisk badger
very high speeds for that age
restive garnet
by memory at that point they were just introducing their 4000 mhz kits
but only on 8 gig sticks
i was using a mitx mobo so i decided i really wanted the 16s so i wouldnt have to replace the ram completely later on
lilac geyser
what really irked me is the rules say that "We follow a fair system to give users plenty of warnings and opportunity to stay within the rules"
but i wasnt not given a single word before the insta ban
and i didnt do what he said i did
and he later claimed that the ban was the warning
restive garnet
i mean, cant say im surprised
torn ferry
Thermaltake View 71 is still available surprisingly.
restive garnet
i considered getting the view 71
lilac geyser
i was making a joke the the lfg channels that the lobby code was only for my premium subscribers on pateron
lilac geyser
but never posted (nor had any intention of posting) as petron link
i dont even have one
but he claimed i was soliciting money
restive garnet
but apparently the thumbscrew threads for the case panels were really low quality and stripped easy
which from my experience of thermaltake is probably true
vocal crest
OD11 XL seems to be the standard for larger MBs but it does have lian li level pricing
O11XL
torn ferry
@restive garnet I saw they get cross threaded and stripped easily.
molten tundra
The o11d xl is what? $250? I know of a case way more expensive. That I was stupid enough to buy before I actually learned about pc hardware.
molten tundra
Don't get me wrong, it's a good-looking case, and I expect to get many, many years of use out of it, through several rebuilds as old builds become too obsolete to be viable, but it was not worth the roughly $2000 canadian I paid for it, plus the 10 month wait from australia because they couldn't get their shipping together.
vocal crest
XL is for the non standard EATX motherboards that actually use EEB instead of EATX
Even though they say they are EATX
restive garnet
from what i know of singularity computers, they make some top quality stuff
molten tundra
I personally wish I had gotten the xl, just because less expensive, faster shipping, and more radiator space.
restive garnet
the XL is a fantastic case in everything but looks imo
vocal crest
Yeah usually when you are dealing with an EATX usually things are cramped as is
Dual cpu + vid cards
molten tundra
But yeah, my spectre is a really well-built case, but also weighs a ton.
molten tundra
Really? I really like the look of the XL...
restive garnet
i love the dual chamber thing
just not a fan of the overall presentation
its just a box with some glass
almost a fish tank look
molten tundra
I guess it depends on what fans you use in it. Definitely not noctuas, unless you don't care for looks at all. XD
restive garnet
i mean, the black noctua fans are pretty aight, but probably a wee bit pointless in a glass based case like the O11
i ended up going with a corsair 680x for my current comp
molten tundra
That's true, their chromax line improved visuals hugely.
restive garnet
they are releasing their NF series in black soon
or have already
idk
havent really kept up on them
been using corsair LL fans and havent felt the need for noctuas
vocal crest
I snagged a thermaltake core x5 for $100 a couple years back
molten tundra
Ahh, ok. That's a pretty good looking case. Had to look it up, but I recognize it. Isn't it matx, rather than full atx?
restive garnet
nah, thats the 280x
vocal crest
It’s ginormous but good for testing builds
vocal crest
Usually i set everything up in the thermaltake to get it dialed in then xfer it
molten tundra
Oh, ok! I didn't realize they had multiple cases with that design language!
restive garnet
the 280x looks a bit nicer imo, but surprise surprise, it lacks on space
cant fit anything above matx and gets pretty snug with double rads
molten tundra
Yeah, always a trade-off, when you go with smaller builds.
restive garnet
dont i know it
the main reason i ditched the antec cube was space issues
350mm clearance from front to back
297 used by a strix 1080ti
27 from rad
molten tundra
Oooof, that's tiny!
molten tundra
Holy crap. I can see why you wanted the upgrade.
restive garnet
all to fit a single measly 240mm
my 680x is also a 350mm
but comparatively, i can fit a 280mm rad top and bottom without sacrificing anything
restive garnet
nice
molten tundra
Oooooh, yep. That'll keep ya running nice and frosty.
restive garnet
wouldnt have enough desk space sadly
molten tundra
Same.
restive garnet
i do love my 680x tho, aside from a few minor oddities, its been a delight to work with
molten tundra
That's good. Always good to have an easy case to work in.
restive garnet
i think my only real complaint tho is price
i think it retails for about 430 NZD over here
compared to an XL at 350
molten tundra
Ahh, that is pretty steep for regular case pricing.
restive garnet
and on top, corsair LL fans are like 50-60 bucks each
we get absolutely gouged for pricing over here
molten tundra
Yeah, the ll's ain't cheap wherever you go. The 6 I have set me back over $200 cad.
restive garnet
yikes
restive garnet
without a doubt
and performance is solid as well
nice cool temps and barely a whisper
molten tundra
Oh yeah. I've no complaints, running them as radiator fans. When my system is fully loaded and they ramp up to compensate, they become noticeable, but under normal usage, they don't make a sound. And even when they do get noisy, it's a consistent, relatively low hum that's super easy to tune out.
restive garnet
pretty much
compare it to my old thermaltake fans
those things created an absolute racket at anything above about 600-800 RPM
for reference, they were RIING plus premium fans
they looked fairly nice, but everything else about them pissed me off
molten tundra
Oooooof. A buddy of mine has a similar issue with his, he has these fans that were supposed to be completely silent, he brought his rig over to my place for some lanning a while back, and those fans were anything but. Doesn't help he has an amd fx 6350, which is a super hot running chip, so his fans are always ramping up trying to cool the damn thing, and his system is just perpetual jet engine. He has his eye on upgrading to a new ryzen chip though, and some other upgrades as well, so hopefully he won't need to deal with those craptastic fans too much longer.
restive garnet
6350, damn son
those things could hit some pretty high clocks, but voltage requirements were nuts
vocal crest
Lol i think I can count the number of people that bought bulldozer chips with fingers
molten tundra
Yup. He says he hasn't run into any games he can't run, but that he's perpetually at the minimum spec. Also he hasn't overclocked, having just the stock cooler. Which doesn't help his jet problem. XD