Then give me a better cooler that is white.
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
torn ferry
fleet canopy
Air or AIO?
torn ferry
Whatever works best.
abstract kite
Make a White Rock Pro 4
jade ermine
fleet canopy
I can't just do whatever works best kek
abstract kite
You can, Gay.
fleet canopy
Cause it could be a smaller ATX case, or a big sized ATX like Lian Li 011
Which can fit 360
torn ferry
If only Corsair made a white 360mm radiator.
fleet canopy
lol corsair making 360mm radiators /s
tbh same but oh well
Switch fans out for something good
abstract kite
The problem with what you sent @jade ermine the middle part is not white.
jade ermine
pff
fleet canopy
kek yeah
abstract kite
What about Rgbs?
I think there is a site that does custom wires, lights and tubes.
fleet canopy
cablemod
I don't think they do RGB cables, lights or tubes
But custom epic colored wires epic gamer, yes.
abstract kite
Hmm
vapid crypt
Yeah custom cable extensions
torn ferry
Lian Li makes RGB cables.
fleet canopy
I believe those werenβt that good. I could be wrong
proper wren
fleet canopy
Finally a PC with 3200MHz
warped hedge
rip drive
so i can still open files and stuff on the drive
i just cant coppy anything
eternal cairn
Sounds like it can read but not write.
abstract kite
Sounds like me
warped hedge
so i got it copying pics over but at like 600KB/s that's the main thing i need
2 hours for 5gigs
sonic oxide
how do u all feel about itx builds
fleet canopy
ITX is cool
Cool for lan
Cool for some traveler I guess
Cool for small space
And also pretty cool
sonic oxide
is there any specific reason itx stuff is more expensive other than like people not wanting to build itx
fleet canopy
More expensive? Strange
I'd figure it'd be less pricier but I'll see
Well
Which kind of ITX are we talking of?
Mini ITX?
warped hedge
i love itx builds
fleet canopy
Oh yeah I can probably seeit
warped hedge
hmm dead drive is now copying fast
torn ferry
Does hardline water cooling have less of a chance to leak as much as soft tubing?
fleet canopy
Uhh
warped hedge
no
fleet canopy
I wouldn't really say that
warped hedge
it anything its more
torn ferry
I would like to try water cooling, but I have that nightmare about water leaking everywhere.
warped hedge
i would reccomnd soft tube first than
sonic oxide
get the spraypaint
fleet canopy
torn ferry
Enermax.
torn ferry
Can you replace fans on an AIO?
fleet canopy
Yeah totally
sonic oxide
yeah the fans just come with it
fleet canopy
Just have to match it up with right fans
sonic oxide
fleet canopy
For this instance, you'll need to find three 120mm fans for that
torn ferry
Any 3 120mm fans?
fleet canopy
Corsair has a good 3x 120mm RGB fan for 100$ something LL120
sonic oxide
as long as they're not like some very strange form factor for the most part yes
i love my noctuas
torn ferry
I want to know if the QL120s will fit.
sonic oxide
the ql120 will absolutely fit
torn ferry
They seem to have a weird angled shape versus the box shaped fans.
sonic oxide
they're concave though, they won't collide with one another
torn ferry
Like the edges go inward.
sonic oxide
the only real requirement is that the screw placements are the same, which it will be for a 120mm fan and that the frame doesnt extend past a certain point, which with the QL120s they go inward
torn ferry
Small criticism, but I kind of dislike the blocky shaped pump on the AIO.
fleet canopy
I'm not tooooo sure about the other brands, but seems like Thermaltake has some good white/mutlicolor RGB fans
Wait it seems way expensive
183$ 
Corsair's 120$ 3 pack fans vs a 180$ 3 pack
torn ferry
I want to see a better diagram of the fan/radiator placement on the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL.
sonic oxide
good god my fan was $20
fleet canopy
20$ for cheaper fans which are generally good lol
If there's a pretty good white fan with colors on it for cheaper than that, then sure
sonic oxide
rgb premium is insane
fleet canopy
From what I'm seeing on the case
Totally same thing
Bottom, side, and top can fit 360mm
I wouldn't uhh
Really recommend unless you will obv fill that space
And the price is oh no
Kind of just hits my limit for price on cases
torn ferry
Price?
fleet canopy
200$
torn ferry
My upper limit is $300 since I don't know most cases that are worth that $300.
Unless of course you want an all Asus build.
torn ferry
I find it strange that Acer doesn't make any parts.
torn ferry
How trustworthy are Amazon reviews?
torn ferry
There's only 3 reviews on the Amazon page for the Asus cooler.
sonic oxide
amazon reviews are usually okay
fleet canopy
Read official reviews like Gamersnexus, etc.
torn ferry
I don't think Gamers Nexus make reviews of individual parts that are not cases.
torn ferry
I don't see one for the Strix LC.
torn ferry
I looked it up and I don't see any reviewers I recognize.
4.3 stars when you look up the name itself, and the first review is a 1 star saying the fans bricked after an hour of use.
torn ferry
I probably will with the QL fans.
lost kiln
Brought the card back to micro center and they found that the card was actually defective
now u get a new one
lost kiln
already did
abstract kite
send pics
lost kiln
and its an upgrade
abstract kite
lost kiln
abstract kite
sexy man β€οΈ hope it does u well for yrs
lost kiln
they actually ended up giving me a complementary $150 because ive been to the store up and day for 4 days in a row
so that was the only reason i got the card lol
fleet canopy
lol nice
abstract kite
micro center is so nice... all i get in croatia is hate lol from them they are acting ignorant
fleet canopy
So you got a free replacement plus 150$
lost kiln
abstract kite
that card is a beast imo
lost kiln
i was laughing when i saw that it came with its own support brace
fleet canopy
Hope it does you great
abstract kite
Y E S
lost kiln
ikr
Ive seen that someone is working on adding Ray Tracing to crysis 1
like
yes plz
fleet canopy
lol nice
fleet canopy
Probably the 3080 Ti might be able to do 1440p 60Hz
fleet canopy
Does it play Minesweeper? @lost kiln
lost kiln
At 5 FPS
fleet canopy
Bruhhh
abstract kite
what about MC RTX
fleet canopy
That's wild
abstract kite
44 fps btw
lost kiln
I couldn't get it to work lol
fleet canopy
1440p 60Hz is possible with Minecraft RTX
lost kiln
it would just be all black so i gave up
abstract kite
tbh im probs staying on a 1080p240
fleet canopy
F
abstract kite
and getting 3080
abstract kite
LUL
fleet canopy
It exists
lost kiln
welp im off to try and play GTFO and not crash in the first 30 sec of starting the game
fleet canopy
abstract kite
servers are ded for gtfo XD
well steam is
XDDD
im waiting for rox 1440p240
rog*
abstract kite
xD ah yea ima stay with my 1080p xD
also can we just focus on the mask reflections...
u lose 10 fps on that alone
lost kiln
1440
lost kiln
not a clue 1 sec
fleet canopy
So why tf is the samsung one I have picked out like 450$ for fucking same specs except bigger monitor?
lost kiln
i noticed that G sync monitors have a premium on em
abstract kite
i regret getting 240 hz
fleet canopy
abstract kite
.-.
plain zinc
Hi all
abstract kite
aloha
fleet canopy
Maybe because of the whole "Freesync 2"
lost kiln
Ello, and i have no idea
fleet canopy
It'd make sense if it was Freesync 2
plain zinc
I cant start GTFO
plain zinc
Thanks π
fleet canopy
"The major difference between FreeSync and FreeSync 2 is that the latter supports both dynamic refresh rate as well as high dynamic range (HDR) content. FreeSync 2 also ensures wider than standard RGB colour gamut and higher brightness.May 13, 2019"
abstract kite
@fleet canopy will there be big difference between 3080 and 3080ti
i kinda dont wanna give 600$ more
for ti
abstract kite
dont u dare say
fleet canopy
Assuming we have all the new stuff, and the A100
plain zinc
yes this is right .. it say< i need a connection
abstract kite
its not out yet
fleet canopy
It might have a said difference
lost kiln
Steam is being wonky atm so you will have a hard time connecting
lost kiln
im still not connected
fleet canopy
Because it's supposed to be better than a 2080 Ti iirc
lost kiln
Welp Shadow of the tomb raider will be my test then
fleet canopy
Plus, it's also got better specs than 2080 Super ofc, which will improve a lot for ray trace performance perhaps, and overall game performance
lost kiln
well it would be if it finished downloading...
fleet canopy
lol damn
abstract kite
only 100
fleet canopy
Probably the fact it's 1350mhz base?
abstract kite
technically i plan to OC
jade ermine
... or render scaling is turned to 11
fleet canopy
Oh render scaling
What would that be?
I know it's some performance tanker but idrk what it does
plain zinc
if i get u right, its a steam problem?
jade ermine
it basically taxes like 3840x2160
brisk badger
it renders picture higher than your resoultion. if it's 2x and you have 1080p it's 2160p
fleet canopy
Ah, I see
jade ermine
supersampling can also tank performance aloot
abstract kite
but core clock not
fleet canopy
Yeah I kind of plan to use some sort of super sampling since I still notice pixels lmao
jade ermine
sharp eyes ^^
jade ermine
im super hyped up for 3xxx cards
definitely selling my ol' and trusty card this year for one
jade ermine
i sold mine for 250β¬ like 2 years ago
abstract kite
i mean depends in croatia
its selling used one for 250
i can probs sell it for 120-150
jade ermine
120-150 sounds okay
abstract kite
i mean it still fucking plays most games on high-ultra at 60 fps
ok lemme calc
i have 670β¬ rn
- 300β¬ + 150β¬
fleet canopy
300?
jade ermine
quick mafs
fleet canopy
quic mafd
abstract kite
yez jobz
abstract kite
1130
fleet canopy
1120
jade ermine
i wonder how much my 2080 sells for around Q4
fleet canopy
3080 Ti should be a little over 1000$
jade ermine
might get 400-450
fleet canopy
Unless NVIDIA is still way too fucking greedy
abstract kite
ok if i go for 3080 only... with the money i have left... should i get better ram ?
lost kiln
atm CoCo its a steam problem cuz i cant connect either
jade ermine
2080Ti was around 1299β¬ at release
abstract kite
a y a y aaa
jade ermine
im setting my limit at 1.5K
fiery kelp
the moment when u buy GTFO and can't play xD
fleet canopy
Def not a Ti actually, but a 3080 sure
abstract kite
yeh fuck it gonna go for 3080 + 32 gb ddr4 3600 mhz
jade ermine
3200c14 kits are great
fleet canopy
Mhm
jade ermine
they OC very well
but im afraid they are still rather expensive compared to slower ones
abstract kite
idk im going with foking fastest ram
cause holy fuck
my 9900k lost 30 fps
due to ram
xD
or performance is limited
abstract kite
i have foking 2133mhz XD
jade ermine
abstract kite
idk i manually oced it to 2600
fleet canopy
2600Mhz isn't bad at least
abstract kite
is that eeven worth it
fleet canopy
lol 4GHz C15
abstract kite
4000 mhz
jade ermine
yea absolutely not worth it
fleet canopy
Yes
fleet canopy
lmao
abstract kite
lmfao
jade ermine
@abstract kite how much 3200c14 ripjaws kit would set you back
abstract kite
i mean not that much plus idk i dont wanna fucking blow my whole budget on gpu
fleet canopy
Ripjaws, hm
abstract kite
i get shit from amazon tho
jade ermine
@fleet canopy That was the cheapest kit of that bin
jade ermine
ah shit forgot you are going for 32gb
fleet canopy
So you might as well pick something nice
jade ermine
1:2 fclk latency 
fleet canopy
Or 3600Mhz CAS15
fleet canopy
Hey I was listening
abstract kite
XD
fleet canopy
So just don't get 3200MHz CAS14 lol
abstract kite
OK better question can someone give me the best money can buy ram for a budget that is 200β¬
jade ermine
lets be real, only reason was that rgb
lost kiln
actually no, it was the only 32Gb pre made set of ram (with 4 dims)
jade ermine
wym with premade
lost kiln
packed as 4 dims not 2 dims
lost kiln
sure
jade ermine
lost kiln
you want 32 gb Coffee?
abstract kite
is there a 32 gb version
abstract kite
unlucky is triggered
jade ermine
why
abstract kite
xD
jade ermine
jade ermine
that ripjaws kit
jade ermine
there is big price difference with good and poor bin
lost kiln
lost kiln
i said could not should
jade ermine
that viper kit is goob b-die
lost kiln
and whats wrong with 4x8?
jade ermine
with not horrible price tag
fleet canopy
Dual channel support go rip
2x16GB 3200MHz CAS16 performs better than 4x8GB 3200MHz CAS16 because of dual channel
Unless board is quad channel
jade ermine
2x16 is easier for IMC and often allows higher frequency. Also it leaves room for more sticks.
but it does not really matter
fleet canopy
grr yourself
fleet canopy
Go look for 2x16GB 3200MHz CAS14 or 3600CAS15 or whatever
abstract kite
but dats slowww i want 500000 mhz
abstract kite
f i ne ee
lost kiln
I mean realistically how much does 4 dims over 2 affect gameplay today?
abstract kite
lost kiln
for dual channel mode
lost kiln
I'd rather a crysis 2 remaster myself
eternal cairn
I've heard that fewer channels is better since it's less hardware having to work together to divide memory loads onto.
fleet canopy
Yeah something like that
abstract kite
ok fine im just gonna go for 2x16 3600mhz cl14
lost kiln
Okay, so for me it wont matter much. Its not like I'm doing anything bonkers with my rig
fleet canopy
Well I guess there isn't a significant difference
jade ermine
Filling up all those slots is atleast satisfying
lost kiln
^^^
fleet canopy
Dunno why 4 sticks are ever gotten kek
abstract kite
i love filling up holes in a motherboard
fleet canopy
Isn't it also kind of more expensive?
jade ermine
wasn't for him
lost kiln
depends my 32gb kit was 190 something
jade ermine
this shall make all of you feeling better about buying memory
abstract kite
there u go
lost kiln
heh
jade ermine
this was at the peak
fleet canopy
Croakia
abstract kite
KROAΕ IA
torn ferry
Why is Steam down?
fleet canopy
Because yes
eternal cairn
Outages.
lilac geyser
its not?
torn ferry
Is there any difference when mounting a GPU vertically?
fleet canopy
Just epic cool GPU look
torn ferry
But a case needs to support a vertical GPU mount?
fleet canopy
No, but some have an optional vertical mount
And if it doesn't have one, you can order a separate GPU vertical mount
abstract kite
Usaully bad temps. Some cases Don't, depends on the case.
obsidian bobcat
depends on how you do it
if you use the built in vertical mount like on the NZXT h510 Elite, youll choke out your gpu, but if you add a vertical mount to the normal PCI-E covers you're usually fine
torn ferry
Are air cooler fans interchangeable with other fans or are the sizes incompatible?
late sorrel
generally yes
however, not always
That was what was happening with the Corsair one
and I think the Hyper 212βs
fleet canopy
If you want to switch out a fan on a CPU cooler/radiator, check the size of the fans on air cooler or radiator. I believe most air coolers usually come 120mm, and itβs easy to know for radiators as itβs like 240mm which is 2x120mm, 280mm for 2x140mm, etc
lilac geyser
zen 2 refresh confirmed?
late sorrel
probably
vapid crypt
So it seems
fleet canopy
It definitely is
torn ferry
How much of an improvement will the refresh be over the original?
torn ferry
Will the improvement be enough of a justification to buy the refresh over what we have now?
torn ferry
Should I wait until the refresh is out to buy the parts?
fleet canopy
I'd wait until RTX 3000
vapid crypt
The performance difference won't be massive, but it would be better to justify it. Zen 3 will be later this year, so with a good X570 or B550 board one could easily upgrade to that later.
fleet canopy
Yeah
torn ferry
So I could buy parts now and then upgrade later or is it not easy to upgrade processors?
brisk badger
If you upgrade your CPU more than apple fanboys upgrade to the newest iPhone, then there is something wrong
fleet canopy
You can get a Ryzen 5 3600, X570, but reuse the GPU
vapid crypt
Yeah upgrading every 6 months is pretty excessive I imagine 
fleet canopy
Because RTX 3000 is worth it or you can take shroud off and use plastidip
brisk badger
i mean if you have the money, I am not here to say what u should do or not. I personally still use a CPU from 2015 for work and gaming and are yet happy. Personally I would say if the new CPU is like 30% better for your tasks it's worth to upgrade if the price is right
torn ferry
Will RTX 3000 be worth it?
torn ferry
Will they even make white colored versions of the cards?
vapid crypt
Yeah of course, the usual board partners will have similar offerings
torn ferry
But how come there are very little white RTX GPUs currently?
brisk badger
the same single man do not have white but black couches
what a reference I know haha
vapid crypt
Probably because they don't make a lot of them, and I imagine its fairly popular
brisk badger
when I was crazy for gpu's they made the PCB in all variations; black, green, blue, red, white. You just got one of them randomly
white seems not popular and those who are made are sold for more money usually since it's a niche but the niche is ready to pay the extra buck
brisk badger
yea there is white cases
but most peripheral devices are likely to be green or black today
torn ferry
I didn't think Asus would make a white version of the case though.
The case caters very specifically to ROG enthusiasts.
fleet canopy
It'd go out of their brand for picking white, but again that'd look pretty neat
torn ferry
It looks cool, but all the ROG parts are expensive.
fleet canopy
Because Are Oh Gee
torn ferry
Let me see how much an all ROG PC would even cost.
fleet canopy
Depends on spec
torn ferry
Does built in wifi on motherboards not matter if you use an ethernet cable anyway?
fleet canopy
Won't matter yeah
If you do however need wifi, you can buy a separate thingy
Network adapter I think?
torn ferry
What even is the difference between the Hero and Formula motherboards?
fleet canopy
One is more expensive than the other
torn ferry
When doing the compare on pcpartpicker, all I see is that the Formula has an ethernet port with double the speed of the Hero's ethernet port.
brisk badger
the hero is the "entry level" for the upper class boards
torn ferry
What justifies the $600 price tag on the Formula? What does it offer?
fleet canopy
No clue
brisk badger
probably not justifiable the price difference but there is minor difference such as better VRM cooling and better components such as volt regulation
the formula also seems to have waterblocks for the VRMS
fleet canopy
At least the 2080 Ti ROG Strix doesn't really have much of a premium from what I see
Epic
0 compactible cases
brisk badger
i think only mainboards
fleet canopy
Their AIOs too
Their AIO seems kind of like just a regular corsair AIO or one of the other AIOs for 100$ less
Seriously can't get a case to show up
Somehow a 2080 Ti, 3700X, ROG Strix LC 360mm and crosshair VIII won't have a case
torn ferry
What?
jade ermine
1usmus teased that zen2 refresh can do 2000mhz fclk
4000mhz ram 1:1 on ryzen 
vapid crypt
Yeah I heard about that, that would add to the performance on top of the higher base and boost clocks
lilac geyser
i think if they had announced the zen 2 refresh (which probasbly was always going to work on b450) before they had announced that zen 3 wouldnt work on b450 then the community reaction would have been a lot smoother
vapid crypt
I actually heard the opposite
I heard that the Zen 2 refresh was not gonna work on 400 series boards
At least not officially, which the case now with Zen 3 now
lilac geyser
that may have been true, i was just speculating about what the refresh would have worked on
not that it matters now, cause all the fanboys twisted amd's arm
vapid crypt
Yeah I get it, in a way it was AMD's marketing team that sort of cultivated that reaction
vocal crest
I would say PBO of over clocking is the future if they decide to go down High core counts .
The PBO method that is
Otherwise you end up being limited by your weakest CCX
Which the probability of getting a bad one goes up as you increase the number of cores
vapid crypt
Matisse 2 alleged benchmark leaks https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-matisse-refresh-ryzen-9-3900xt-ryzen-7-3800xt-ryzen-5-3600xt-cpu-benchmarks-rumor/
vapid crypt
I'm not, they're boosting the same for a single core
Probably using similar binned silicon
Well yeah must be anyway
The 3900XT is using tippy top Epyc tier silicon I would guess
vapid crypt
Yeah that benchmark is a single core benchmark
vapid crypt
Shows how great the 3600XT will be for a midrange overall cpu
fleet canopy
Indeed
vapid crypt
I mean I would still say get the 3600 just for the money though 
vapid crypt
They're already using better silicon on all of their recently produced chips so
Since 7nm yields have gotten better since last year
fleet canopy
Mhm
late sorrel
hell yeah
lilac geyser
anyone have experience upgrading their home network from one of those cheap all in one wifi routers?
i could use some tips for selecting a security appliance and networking hardware
main problem is most of this stuff is 1U/2U and i dont really want to setup a server rack in my home
brisk badger
it depends what you want really
for most users, an all-in-one router is enough
if you want to build a router yourself, I recommend pfSense. You can for example use an old PC running it ( I have a Core2Quad and 4GB DDR2 ram for it but it's way overkill unless there is an excessive VPN traffic)
lilac geyser
pfsense no no no
brisk badger
why not ? π
lilac geyser
they bought the domain name of a similar software (opnsense) and used it to slander opnsense
they bought opnsense.com and used nazi imagery on it
like wtf it an open source project, why go to that much hate
brisk badger
that's probably more the community itself
fleet canopy
Looking at the web, I see none
brisk badger
pfSense is used widely in enterprise environments and been around for a long time
fleet canopy
Oh yeah I see now
lilac geyser
fleet canopy
Yikes
brisk badger
you can also run OPNsense :p
lilac geyser
its not everyday the WIPO steps in and says you acted in bad faith
brisk badger
unbelievable I have not know this before. This is hilarious will have to read up tomorrow
I guess they are very similar but OPNsense has much more updates
also there is openwrt which you can install on many routers which gives you some more power and control
as network administrator i do not recommend to buy 'finished products' because they won't guarantee better performance or security and can often be more complicated to setup
you can basically accomplish everything with with a pc, two lan ports and linux/BSD on it
late sorrel
boxx
brisk badger
cool things a home network can or should have:
- A VPN (e.g OpenVPN for host to site connections)
- A reverse proxy (so you can interally redirect all ports to port 80 which then allows you create https connections)
- A proxy. Maybe outdated but can be useful
- A TLS bump proxy. If you want to decrypt HTTPS connection in your network. Use it wisely. There is laws you can violate
- A firewall for example with iptables which you can do much more than just use it as firewall
there is many more but I think these are interesting and work in any network π
fleet canopy
Hyper
vocal crest
If you donβt want to build your own untangle box then UDM is prob your best bet for now
That or a discount USG from all the people upgrading to UDM
Untangle > pfsense in terms of quality of life
And using it day to day
brisk badger
both have their limitations
vocal crest
I mean you get what you pay for
brisk badger
untangled is definitely more complicated for starters in regards of documentation
maybe it changed but it can't beat pfsense's docs :p
vocal crest
Pfsense doesnβt have SSL DPI in a useable form
Without making it a second job
Since everything is SSLed nowadays thatβs basically a requirement
brisk badger
for that you have squid x)
vocal crest
Pfsense trying to figure out which packages you need as a newbie is impossible
Like if you want a second job go pfsense and hook it up to grafana
Id say for the average person UDM is probably enough as a 1 stop shop
brisk badger
totally agree. it's just fun to create own routers etc.
give the old hardware some purpose
i just think that most users probably will not get any advantage using UTM's and can when wrongly configured even be a risk
vocal crest
That said I hate how ubiquiti makes you feel like itβs EA hardware all the fricking time
brisk badger
my edgerouter died some months ago π’
vocal crest
From a consumer perspective itβs amazing
But from an enterprise perspective itβs awful
You get enterprise features at a <$1k price point
With cloud management like meraki
Downside is firmware is beta as hell for the first 5 years
This is from someone that uses a UDM pro
brisk badger
in the end it really depends what you want. 99% are fine with a "home" router, assuming it can perform enough in terms of throughput
lilac geyser
so whats good hardware to purchase that I can install most of this stuff on and start playing around?
brisk badger
technically you can use pc parts, you can use ARM devices or buy products
vocal crest
As it takes them a while to get support for newer hardware
It took them 1 yr to get drivers for Xeon D lol
So older intel nics preferable
If you have an old nvidia GPU pfsense can use that to do GPU assisted IPS
Too
brisk badger
personally I would start flashing your router with openwrt firmware. that gives a ton more option and you can play around
vocal crest
A few rules for newbies
lilac geyser
ive already played with openwrt/dd-wrt
vocal crest
Donβt expose any ports unless you know what you are doing ( you prob donβt )
If you need network access just vpn in
Donβt expose ports in the clear
Or use the DMZ
lilac geyser
i think it took less than a week for the chinese bots to start trying logins on port 22 when i ran a ftp server
brisk badger
open ports don't have to be problem but it's risky
vocal crest
Yes but if they are a newbie they donβt know how to take other precautions
brisk badger
always use custom ports and as high as possible. many bots do not do a large port scan
agreed
vocal crest
Like VLANs and inter VLAN firewalls are key
Esp with a ton of web jscript based local port scanners defeating most border firewalls
eBay just got caught using one lol
brisk badger
ha just wanted to say XD
lilac geyser
like they hijack your browser to portscan your own network?
vocal crest
No you can portscan the local interface using basic JavaScript as a feature
And it wonβt trigger any firewalls
Itβs a built in feature of JavaScript
Then the browser reports back itβs findings to the server
lilac geyser
so...what i said
vocal crest
And you immediately have a full vulnerability analysis of the target machine phoning home
Itβs not a hijack
lilac geyser
ok ok, yes, not literallya hijack, just unintended from my point of view
vocal crest
Actually itβs intended
How do you think all those Web 2.0 apps magically work
They need to use some local port right
People like their shiny interactive webpages
lilac geyser
more reason to not give websites execute privlages on your machine
i'm still going to call in a hijack
vocal crest
Itβs not an execution privilege heh . Itβs sandboxed JavaScript
lilac geyser
*call it
vocal crest
Well thereβs nothing you can really do as you need it enabled to use pretty much any website today
You canβt block local look back interface as a lot of applications use it as IPC
brisk badger
a world without JS
lilac geyser
duh, thats why you block javascript
vocal crest
You canβt even use google maps without jscript anymore
lilac geyser
preaching to the choir
vocal crest
If you wanted a world without jscript you are better off going back to usenet
Anyways you can use any old PC machine
Just that the main limitation will be the switching backplane
Like I wouldnβt expect to be able to load it up with 4x Quad NICs and use it as a switch/router hybrid
lilac geyser
yeah thast why i was hoping you'd recommend hardware that advertises its capability
i'm not made of old computers so ill have to buy something anyway
vocal crest
Iβve had friends just buy a dual Ethernet NUC off eBay
Or I think zotax has one of those mini PCs with dual NICs
If you didnβt want to build your own mikrotik or ER-X is your best bet
They are routers though not security appliances
For something more advanced I think USG is the only thing around the $100 range I can think of
Or if you have friends in the right places you can get the meraki trial hardware for 2 yrs!
Which will blow everything away
lilac geyser
heh
vocal crest
Just donβt expect to be able to afford it after trial expires
lilac geyser
thats the problem with all this stuff, you want something that runs well you pay enterprise prices
and server rack form factor
vocal crest
Well enterprise networking equipment has overkill features for home users
Like most people donβt need offensive network protection systems built in
Like the Aruba APs will actively target rogue APs within your border and jam them .
I donβt see why a home user would require that level of firepower
lilac geyser
lol nope, not sure how i'd use that
vocal crest
You could probably jam everyoneβs WiFi in the whole neighborhood with one of those
Also they let you use the DFS wireless bands which are blocked off by most retail APs
lilac geyser
if i wanted to do that stuff i'd just buy a SDR kit
vocal crest
It will detect your SDR kit and jam you
They are pretty darn overkill
Not quite sure how itβs legal
But coordinated wireless IPS is all the range nowadays
lilac geyser
lol are you still talking about that aruba thing?
vocal crest
Lol a friend showed it to me
You can geolocate the rogue AP to 1M in real time
Itβs serious tinfoil stuff
lilac geyser
if only my university dorm had known about that
so many warnings not to run an AP from the dorms, but like 1 out of every 10 people had them
vocal crest
Itβs not worth the hassle those things cost like $30k each itβs more for medical places
Where things have to be wireless but also secure
I.e doctors with their tablets
Most other people would use a hardline and call it a day
Going back to the appliance bit though
Pfsense is probably not scalable for the next generation of network defenses
A lot of newer stuff requires SPAN ports that harvest every packet on the network and then does itβs analysis that way
And not just inbound / outbound
lilac geyser
zerotrust?
vocal crest
Yah
Itβs also the only way to survive the IPv6 migration
Since every device now has its own IP that will need to be firewalled separately .
DHCPv6-pd is pretty much going to make everything the Wild West with the only defense really being no one can scan the entire IPv6 range
For now at least
lilac geyser
ha
you could do ip knocking instead of port knocking
do those devices you recommened have enough juice to mirror the ports for a home network?
lilac geyser
yeah see
vocal crest
@brisk badger might know better
Maybe with all these companies going under youβll get lucky ?
Ubiquiti claims their USW line can do mirroring and itβs sub $1k
But uhh yeah
Actually I think ER-4 and up can do mirroring via CLI
But it breaks hardware offload
I think pfSense can technically do it too
But not great
lilac geyser
it can
vocal crest
Like I said with networking hardware you kinda pay for what you get
Either in time/sweat/ money lol
Most people come home from work and donβt want a second job
lilac geyser
yeah, i just wish the technology landscape wasnt like this so i didnt have to mess with this stuff
where our tvs display ads in the menus, and ebay turns your browser against you
lilac geyser
SH3200: so are you saying in an ipv6 network NAT won't be used anymore?
oh wow, TIL about NAT66
vocal crest
Yeah they are actively discouraging people from using NAT66
Because it defeats the point of IPv6
vocal crest
Actually most IOT things will have their own LP LTE modems built in dialing home anyways which will defeat anything you can do unless you want to open it up and start cutting cables .
LTE-M and NB-IOT are where IPv6 really gets to stretch itβs wings in terms of big data harvesting
It currently costs $5 to add a NB-IOT modem to a board and $1 per year to maintain the connection . Meanwhile you can siphon all the data you need off of it .
Unless you wanna live in a bunker or faraday cage
vocal crest
Hot air rises so itβs as good as any
fleet canopy
I myself wouldnβt really put the radiator on top
abstract kite
You wouldn't put the radiator on the top
fleet canopy
Mainly because hot air rises, so it would rise up to the radiator. Iβd do it the other way for more cooling, but I donβt really care how people have their radiators at
abstract kite
I'm offended none the less
fleet canopy
:(
vocal crest
well it beats having no top exhaust. Not everyone can move the radiator outside the case but for those that can outside the 120mm mount point next to the IO shield isnt a bad place. HP puts it there on their workstations and i think it works pretty well
the other way is to simulate a BTX layout and just do a duct
rapid plume
I... am with Poddy on that...
dense wasp
π
tawny pilot
Playing the game with a i3-2100 processor, handles everything on low except for alarm doors in levels like D2 and E1, where my fps drop to 20. Will upgrading my CPU to i5-2500 help? (Asrock H61M/U3S3 motherboard)
vapid crypt
What's the graphics card?
And it might, seeing as an old i3 like that doesn't even meet the min spec
tawny pilot
The graphics is a Radeon RX 580
vapid crypt
Huh
tawny pilot
Original graphics was a HD 6850
vapid crypt
So pretty new graphics card with an ancient sandy bridge processor
fleet canopy
Yeah ig
vapid crypt
I guess its a common thing
tawny pilot
The plan was to split upgrading my pc in 2 parts, first get new graphic card, then get new motherboard , cpu and ram
vapid crypt
If you could find a 2600 somewhere I'd say get that if you can't afford a new set up atm
tawny pilot
then corona happened and lockdown and shit
fleet canopy
1600AF would be a better choice, or a 3300X
vapid crypt
Meaning the i7 2600
fleet canopy
O
vapid crypt
Not the Ryzen 5 2600
fleet canopy
I'm dum
vapid crypt
Since he already has a supporting motherboard
tawny pilot
2600 is out of the price range sadly.
vapid crypt
Really? How much is it going for? That's nearly 10 years old
tawny pilot
on ebay they go for around 100$ ~
fleet canopy
the K is like 80$ more ish
vapid crypt
I don't care how good Sandy Bridge is, it shouldn't retain value like that
tawny pilot
so as you understand if I were to add some money to the value of that I could prolly get a motherboard upgrade and new processor
which goes against my intention to find a temporary fix till I save up
vapid crypt
For a modern platform, you would need to add RAM to that as well
Since they switched to DDR4 in 2015
Speaking of DDR5 is probably coming out in a year or two oh boy
fleet canopy
Dunno how DDR5 will be
vapid crypt
Well it'll be expensive for a couple years
fleet canopy
But surely it'll be shit at the first half year or so
vapid crypt
And wouldn't be worth it for about that long either
fleet canopy
And plus, no motherboard is ready for DDR5 yet, so we won't have that sort of stuff yet
vapid crypt
Zen 4 has a good chance of being the first to use it
vocal crest
Never buy the first gen of any new tech
Like any new arch the first gen always has some issues .... thermal / bad drivers etc
halcyon apex
I am poor...I also have a crappy PC which can't even handle Roblox
At this point I want to be begging for PC's
fleet canopy
Surely it could play minesweeper?
Anyways, it's not too hard to get a good one for a pretty cheap price
halcyon apex
I mean, I do not have any money at all
Not in my bank account
They are on the edge to disable it...
fleet canopy
Do you have any source of income though..?
halcyon apex
No...a 18 year old with no source of income
fleet canopy
Dang
halcyon apex
All that I can do is wash cars...
But I have a bad addiction of spending my money in 2 seconds...
fleet canopy
So get rid of that habit
halcyon apex
Can't
fleet canopy
Can*
halcyon apex
Now it is global lockdown and I can not do anything about it
fleet canopy
Ah, true
abstract kite
tbh you just have to find the thing you want to save up on
it worked for me
for the most part
fleet canopy
For you, that'd be a good PC
fleet canopy
2GB is like 1.70$
halcyon apex
My motherboard can only handle 2gb ram though
a 2002 model...
Came with windows XP
fleet canopy
Oh yeah that old
halcyon apex
Facepalms
fleet canopy
You'll need a whole new PC at that point
halcyon apex
I hit it today though
Would not load anything
It shut down...
And poof, it was faster
I am big bwain
halcyon apex
I think I might use it's power supply
The ram might come in handy too
With the fan
Otherwise the video card and the motherboard is just crap
fleet canopy
What's your currency? Makes it more easier to understand exactly why 2GB is supposedly "100$"
halcyon apex
Zar
But I was just proving a point
That the world is getting more expensive by the day
fleet canopy
For now, some stuff is getting more expensive yeah ig
halcyon apex
When I start to beg Please give me a proper motherboard, an extra fan, a video card and some extra ram
Like 6 ram
What does IG mean though?
I think I might only make a budget of 100$
Anyone here?
merry bay
have you looked for second hand markets? (US equivalent, craigslist)
best to look without filtering. people that don't know much about PC's just say it's a computer and call it a day. Their prices are usually way off, you might spot something somewhat worthwhile going for really cheap
halcyon apex
Guess so @merry bay, but most of us can not let products be delivered, because of the global lockdown.
acoustic socket
Skeleton are trying to build a new pc?
halcyon apex
I would love to, but I do not have any money.
halcyon apex
This is my vision at the moment
And this is people with way better PC's version
They can play GTA 5 on that thing!
lilac geyser
i bet that could play one of those gta v ripoff games on google play
they are also free
it even scans your files for free!
lament merlin
can anyone recommend a good 144hz monitor?
fleet canopy
What PC specs were you going with?
abstract kite
GPU Pls
merry bay
well at least you can always rely on your machine to run the original DOOM
even some refrigerators can run that
or printers
fleet canopy
But what about Minesweeper?
halcyon apex
Is anyone giving away a motherboard, extra fans, ram or video cards?
That can still come in good use
Oh wait, deliveries is off
Nevermind
lilac geyser
i think phill is doing a 3300x build
halcyon apex
I am feeling so broke...
I am the unluckiest in the lockdown, my good PC broke during it...
lilac geyser
feelsbadman.jpg
halcyon apex
I know
I think deliviries is kinda up
So anyone in South Africa?Anyone here giving away those parts mentioned earlier|?
lilac geyser
gay, galerus: and a 1660
halcyon apex
What are you talking about?
lilac geyser
so i dont excactly know if a 1440p monitor would be a good fit, but I could see it you plan on upgrading the PC down the line