I'll take a quick look on it
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
torn ferry
"Hey guys, what if our next case was a triangle?"
fleet canopy
lmao
The Aurora R8 is the only one that looks nice enough
But it's pretty crap imo
torn ferry
"And when describing our product, use the most pretentious marketing ever,"
The R8 is the most normal looking.
fleet canopy
Yeah
Thank god they have one
Because everything else is pure crap and shit thrown together
torn ferry
The R9 looks like if you rounded the edges of a Wii and painted it black.
torn ferry
How are their laptops?
torn ferry
Desktop parts?
torn ferry
I can run at 2666mhz.
fleet canopy
"Build yours"
torn ferry
That's not fast.
fleet canopy
"Build yours"
fleet canopy
None of their fucking laptops have fucking 3000MHz DDR4
None of those laptops are worthwhile
lilac geyser
lol
fleet canopy
None of their shit is fucking something I ever wanna fucking see again
This is so sad
eternal cairn
Yeah, Alienware is garbage.
abstract kite
Can that i7 be properly placed in a B450 Tomohawk btw?
lilac geyser
im just loling at the hate
fleet canopy
Their desktop
abstract kite
Sorry to interrupt
lilac geyser
i7 b450 hahah
idle raft
did you try to download more ram?
fleet canopy
Why can't they fucking afford 3200MHz CAS16
idle raft
https://downloadmoreram.com it is free
fleet canopy
Sure but
eternal cairn
2666MHz is way cheaper.
eternal cairn
I think only 2x16GB of 2666MHz ram is like $30.
torn ferry
Lol.
fleet canopy
Nope
idle raft
If it is desktop, could go for a lower quality one and just overclock it?
fleet canopy
Unless CAS was really bad
I'd recommend just buying 3200MHz CAS16
Really cheap
80$ ish
proper wren
wut
torn ferry
What is the worst gaming laptop? I'm sure there is something worse than Alienware.
idle raft
razer
eternal cairn
Lenovo.
fleet canopy
Razer/Alienware suck
idle raft
outright trash cooling, half baked solutions, overheats a lot, does not even work with it's own graphics amplifier
idle raft
ahhhhh can't argue with that
fleet canopy
Any laptop that can't run Minesweeper sucks
proper wren
We call it Budget razer at work
idle raft
HP everything is trash
torn ferry
HP looks decent.
proper wren
only thing I like is the spectre series years ago
idle raft
haha budget razer, I will remember that one
fleet canopy
HP sucks
torn ferry
All those laptops from PC configurators aren't actually their laptops.
fleet canopy
HP sucks
idle raft
the spectre was pretty good
torn ferry
They're just rebranded Clevo laptops.
torn ferry
Which is the worst PC configurator company?
fleet canopy
9600K with 1050
torn ferry
For example, Origin, Maingear, etc.
proper wren
worst config is gigabyte
eternal cairn
That is an extremely vague question.
fleet canopy
1050 Ti
torn ferry
Are there any good prebuilts?
proper wren
Linus has a vid on shitty prebuilders
fleet canopy
Good prebuilts, uhhh
eternal cairn
I have to say the one I got from CyberPower was pretty okay.
proper wren
Also NZXT overcharges prebuilts like crazy
proper wren
Cyberpower is decent
fleet canopy
Walmart!!!!
torn ferry
The one I have from iBuyPower is OK.
torn ferry
It works.
proper wren
Walmart is Walmart
eternal cairn
Eh, I thought I heard Walmart was okay.
torn ferry
That's all I can say about iBuyPower.
proper wren
Its a shit show no matter what
torn ferry
USB 2.0 on front panel instead of standard 3.0.
eternal cairn
LUL
fleet canopy
But never ever getting shit if it's online
proper wren
usb 3.0 pci
fleet canopy
I heard iBuyPower is okayish
proper wren
one ram stick
torn ferry
When Gamers Nexus did a review on the Walmart PC,
He found the USB header hot glued in.
Amazing.
fleet canopy
He got a lower end version than what he paid for
fleet canopy
Walmart sucks
eternal cairn
Someone must have "returned" that with a different PC in the box.
Kinda like how I shipped back my broken Joycon for a working one.
fleet canopy
kek
eternal cairn
Is there ever a thing as too much as RGB?
eternal cairn
Because that's all I can find for decent RAM sticks.
lilac geyser
nazo: yes, msi and gigabyte are missing out on serious revenu on rgb
listen
yeah r g b = red gleen blue, so they should include controls for making the led that color
they can even give you some mice manual controls to switch
torn ferry
Acer, what the fuck are you doing?
eternal cairn
I got some blue LED fans that I'm pretty fine with.
lilac geyser
but there shoudl be microtransations for the pulsing and waving patterns
they are cosmetic accessories!
eternal cairn
What's that asterisk(*) for?
torn ferry
@fleet canopy you want 128 GB of 2666?
lilac geyser
like you pay $4-5 dollars for a new rgb scheme
or you can unlock it with "msi points" if you buy their stuff
fleet canopy
ROG points >:)
Not bad from what I've seen, can pick up a few games and some cool stuff, probably PC parts too if you're lucky
eternal cairn
No.
fleet canopy
Let's check amazon, shall we?
eternal cairn
Not even 3000. 🤦
fleet canopy
First PC, Ryzen 5 1600 6-Core 3.2 GHz (3.6 GHz Turbo) | 1 TB 7200RPM Hard Drive | A320M Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Video Card | 16GB Gaming Memory DDR4 2400 with Heat Spreader | Windows 10 Home 64-bit
PCIe AC Wi-Fi with Antenna | No bloatware | 1 x DVI, 1 x Display Port (Version 1.4) | 1 x HDMI | 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 Ports,4 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.0 | HD Audio and Mic
3 x 120mm Front Red LED Fans for Maximum Air Flow, 1 x 120mm Non-LED Back Fan | 1 x Cooler Master CPU Red Led Heatsink for Extreme Cooling (Not Stock Heatsink) | Powered by 80 Plus Certified 500 Watt Power Supply
Thermaltake H18 Tempered Glass Case | Free RGB Keyboard & Mouse | 1 Year Warranty on Parts and Labor | Lifetime Free Technical Support | Assemble in the USA
Ryzen 5 1600 with DDR4 2400
Wow
eternal cairn
Ew.
fleet canopy
Another Ryzen
Ryzen 5 2600 6-Core 3.4GHz (3.9 GHz Max Boost) CPU Processor | 500G SSD – Up to 30x Faster Than Traditional HDD | A320M Motherboard
torn ferry
Find more bad prebuilts.
eternal cairn
Combining shitty AMD CPU with low-tier NVIDIA GPU = 🤢
fleet canopy
:( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 6GB GDDR5 Video Card | 8 GB Gaming Memory DDR4 3000 with Heat Spreader | Windows 10 Home 64-bit
:)
You are lucky
lilac geyser
sorry, i could not keep that terrible idea contained any longer
torn ferry
Browse Best Buy for bad prebuilts.
eternal cairn
I pirated got Windows 10 Pro. Get on my level.
fleet canopy
I used to pirate it for like 1-2 years lol
1450$ PC
Let's see what it's got, seems like a lucky one
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz (4.3 GHz Turbo) CPU Processor
torn ferry
I really wanted the F13 PC that Origin was giving away.
fleet canopy
GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
lilac geyser
what are the kids using these days? daz loader v2?
fleet canopy
Seems good so far
16GB DDR4 (2 x 8GB) 3000MHz
:(
But it's fine, I tolerate 3000MHz with Ryzen if it's CAS16
Only 200MHz less, not really much of a difference
proper wren
128gbs ddr4 is it with an intel cpu
torn ferry
What case should I choose for my all white build?
proper wren
It's only like 1-3% difference to 3200mhz
torn ferry
@proper wren i9-9980XE
proper wren
That's fine then
fleet canopy
Yeah
eternal cairn
LUL
torn ferry
It also has SLI 2080 TIs.
fleet canopy
Minimum for Intel is like 2400MHz anyways
fleet canopy
Ryzen is just greedy when it comes to RAM really
proper wren
2666 max for intel unless you xmp
fleet canopy
Linus had 2666MHz RAM for his 3900X?
proper wren
Ryzen benefits on ram if you do high productive tasks
eternal cairn
Yeah, Intel sucks with higher RAM.
proper wren
because he knows ram makes very little difference for what he does
eternal cairn
By which I mean, there is no improvement going up in RAM speed.
torn ferry
Best case for an RGB heavy build?
proper wren
The only time you benefit on ram speed is when you do something very intensive like chrome
fleet canopy
Generally if you're buying RAM, just get 3200MHz CAS16 for Ryzen usually if you're getting a completely new build
eternal cairn
Get one with an infinity mirror, @torn ferry.
proper wren
^ no
eternal cairn
^Yes.
fleet canopy
A what?
proper wren
You're gonna cook your parts to death
torn ferry
Inwin Infinity is a terrible case.
fleet canopy
Why does it exist?
eternal cairn
torn ferry
You want to fry eggs in your PC?
proper wren
Yeah you're gonna destroy your hardware in that oven
torn ferry
Then buy this case.
fleet canopy
Nah I won't
I'll just use my 7700K
😎
If it was something about glass everywhere
I'd get the 011 dynamic
torn ferry
What is a good tempered glass case that isn't a furnace?
fleet canopy
011 dynamic
torn ferry
That's it?
eternal cairn
Any case that doesn't have tempered glass on the front.
fleet canopy
Have you seen it?
It
Is
Pretty damn good
The front panel not mesh? No problem
eternal cairn
Only problem is that it's pure white, and I hate light theme anything.
eternal cairn
👀 How much?
eternal cairn
Damn. I'll just stick with my generic CyberPowerPC case.
fleet canopy
kek
Best with a 360mm radiator cooler
But air cooling it is possible too I believe
proper wren
I will judge every computer someone lets me see
eternal cairn
*notices slot for a 360mm radiator in image*
fleet canopy
After all, just because it was built to be fitted with an AIO doesn't mean it can't do air cooling
There's like
3 spots for a 360mm
That side, top and bottom
eternal cairn
Just go with AIO, fuck air.
fleet canopy
lmao yeah
torn ferry
Regular Dynamic or the Dynamic XL?
eternal cairn
It's got a slot just waiting for a 360mm radiator.
torn ferry
Which is better?
eternal cairn
How big?
fleet canopy
You could also just place 3x120mm fans @eternal cairn
torn ferry
Can you paint a radiator?
eternal cairn
🤬
eternal cairn
Why would someone paint a radiator?
fleet canopy
But generally the prices aren't really that difference from what I've seen
You literally can fit 3x360mm radiators in the damn dynamic
I think, if we ignored the kind of problems that seemed to be problems from people about the 360mm radiators
torn ferry
Is custom water cooling difficult for a first time PC builder?
fleet canopy
Mm, people built really great looking PC builds at their first time
But also, imo custom loops is too expensive, too much to do really
Most likely less work if you use pure water
torn ferry
How expensive does it get?
fleet canopy
Not sure, never looked it up really
lilac geyser
literally dozens of dollars, dozens
fleet canopy
Well it's just a hefty job to manage custom loop really
And there's more chance it'll leak than if you just buy an AIO
lilac geyser
nah, its probably more than dozens
torn ferry
Any other tempered glass cases that are also good?
fleet canopy
But if it's purely 100% water, along with some stuff mixed in to keep it well and running fine, then that's perfectly fine as well as not as expensive as custom liquids
What comes into custom loops however, is like
If you've seen JayzTwoCents' videos on anything with custom loop, it's not the easiest, as well as he mentions about how much work you have to put into it
lilac geyser
i see only cosmetic improvement for liquid cooling
i suppose that it may be possible for temps to be lower, but thats an expensive cooling system comparted to stuff that came with the cpu/gpu
fleet canopy
Water cooling at which it's not really so much different except cool stuff
When you have to do a clean at any point for blah blah any reason, you have to get into the mini cracks and clean it off, replace stuff if the copper shows underneath the nickel I believe, take apart the CPU mount part, and clean the inside of that, get fresh water from sink running in the loops you have to get rid of any buildup inside, some extra more stuff
And shit is expensive
Basically if you have no children, get loads of money, and can manage all that work, then you can probably do it
manic tartan
What pc specifications are normal for streaming in your opinion?
fleet canopy
With latest stuff? Ryzen 5 3600 and 2060
Light streaming, it's good
A bit moderate streaming, might be able to handle as well
If it were like daily streams though, then maybe a bit more
manic tartan
I was thinking of a ryzen 7 3700x with a 1660 ti
fleet canopy
2080 if you want to use it, don’t care. I’d recommend 2070/Super
manic tartan
as far as I have seen, 2070 is not as good for streaming as 2080
for gaming, its almost the same
fleet canopy
That’s probably with using NVEC something on GPU
If you wanna do some 1080p 144hz gaming with stream, 1660 Super is fine
I must sleep however so I’ll leave
abstract kite
So far from what I've been able to look up and stuff, the 3600XT/3800XT/3900XT seem to just be higher binned versions of the current chips.
News cant come fast enough
I wish I could build some sort of HTPC with the 4700G when that drops too 😩
proper wren
I imagine the XT lineup is to get rid of their old 3000 series chipset
proper wren
sick reef
When it comes to (custom loop) watercooling, don't use tap-water. Stuff is generally do once and forget for a few years, but you will still have to remove dust.
Increased width of the radiator, assuming good performance, is an easy way to get better efficiency over same area.
More liquid means more thermal capacity, not lower temperatures.
Don't skimp on something unless you think it's worth the cost of what it's attached to, as well as itself.
It will take some finesse to do it.
You don't use tap-water because you're likely to get algae build-up.
"More liquid" means you already have a large enough amount to begin with. Lower and you'll aggregate surplus heat.
Oh yeah, don't drink the denaturated water thinking it's healthy. Normal water isn't bad for you unless your immune system is compromised to the point of being hospitalised.
jade ermine
And you can expect to pay 400-900 burger tokens for a decent custom loop depending what are you cooling, How many radiators etc.
sick reef
Eeh. A decent custom loop, one radiator, one heatsink, fittings, pump, reservoir, it should be 200-300. Another heatink and radiator is in the ballpark of 300-400, but just sizing up the first heatsink is a better solution, with a a bit stronger fans. You could go lower, you could go higher.
One tip is that single o-ring fittings is practially saying that you put absolute faith in that you're installing them right.
I think for my extremely high end loop, only CPU, I payed 400. Custom made radiator, huge reservoir, that mounts to the radiator, with attached pump, triple o-ring fittings, and a good heatsink
lament merlin
can anyone recommend a good 2nd monitor?
jade ermine
@sick reef 200€ basically buys you D5 pump with reservoir and a quality CPU block. You gotta cut some corners big time if you are going to put a decent loop together with that money lol
dense wasp
Lets see if this makes things more calm. @proper wren @rapid plume
jade ermine
NF-A12 my man
sick reef
It would be slightly less than 200 for that, and it would depend on the CPU.
dense wasp
Indeed unlucky, nice fans
Still leaning towards putting the radiator in front, and do double intake through it
So I can close the top, instead of having it open
jade ermine
Do that and replace rear fan with 1 more NF-A12
All noctua 
dense wasp
I'm allergic to noise from a computer..
front and rear fans are all 140mm though, and the prisma RGB, not that I really care about the lights
Does look pretty sweet thou
rapid plume
Nice! Should help quite a bit for noise and heat output
jade ermine
noiseholics unite
dense wasp
what software is that?
jade ermine
It's called Argus Monitor
jade ermine
Will you embrace the brown or not...
dense wasp
haha
in an all glass case..
feels like one of the new fans is making a sharp noise thou
since the switch
which I'm not a fan of
rapid plume
You sure it’s a new fan and not just an old one you didn’t notice before?
fleet canopy
Ironic pun detected
rapid plume
Shhhh you see nothing XD
fleet canopy
I see everything
torn ferry
Would you say the ROG Helios case is overpriced for what it offers?
@fleet canopy and I found a white 360mm AIO.
torn ferry
I wish there was a white version of the case.
fleet canopy
Didn’t know ROG had a case
torn ferry
The ROG Helios. Almost $300 USD.
fleet canopy
What in the holy fuck
I uhh
Would never pay that much for a case
Even if I had like a shitload of money
torn ferry
Did you see the case?
fleet canopy
Saw it
Kind of heard about it
I wouldn't really recommend it because it's one massive case, so unless you're going to just like, never move with that case and just leave it in one spot for years
torn ferry
Is it even worth the price for what it offers?
fleet canopy
Imo
Never in a million years would I recommend this
You can get cases that are close to this for like 100-200$ less
torn ferry
I can only see it if you're wanting an all ROG build.
fleet canopy
Mm, true
But even in all ROG builds I believe I've not seen this appear
I could be wrong though
torn ferry
I want this for my all white build.
https://www.asus.com/us/Cooling/ROG-Strix-LC-360-RGB-White-Edition/
torn ferry
What company?
fleet canopy
?
torn ferry
So how many white 360mm radiators exist?
fleet canopy
afaik 2
ROG and the one I plan to get
Unless there's another CPU radiator that's white, same or lower price but more performance something
torn ferry
What is the one you're getting?
fleet canopy
Enermax LIQTECH II
torn ferry
Never heard of Enermax.
fleet canopy
From seeing a review of it, they say it performs very well if you replace the fans which is ezpz because Corsair has pretty good white fans
Which is kind of overpriced but always been a good fan
vapid crypt
I found that white ROG cooler on Amazon, it ships from the UK 31.15 shipping 
So it would run you like $250
torn ferry
For the Lian Li 011 Dynamic, air or liquid cooling?
proper wren
Sleeper PC~
jade ermine
Has enermax fixed their coolant already? They had issues with that in the past
GamersNexus made video about it
If it has to not be white get Liquid freezer 2 and call it a day
torn ferry
Can you paint HDD or SSD safely?
fleet canopy
High chance you'll never see your HDD/SSD when you're done building @torn ferry
torn ferry
What are other good tempered glass cases that are white?
fleet canopy
Full white or has a little bit of black/other color?
lilac geyser
torn ferry
As white as possible.
abstract kite
I'm offended
fleet canopy
It's kind of hard to come by a completely white
abstract kite
What's wrong with other color cases??
fleet canopy
Nothing really, he wanted a white PC build
I too want it cause it looks pretty cool
vapid crypt
Personally I'd want the opposite, as black as possible
The uh MSI Unify Boards tend to be all black
torn ferry
How is the iCue 465x, @fleet canopy?
fleet canopy
Seems uhh
It seems good
Not gonna exactly be the best in terms of airflow, but it's better than the other cases since front panel is a bit farther away from front fans, easier air travel
fleet canopy
Seems like it for me
The XL is kind of unnecessary though
Simply just the 011-D is great
The air will come in from bottom and side, and goes out to the top
torn ferry
What can you do with the XL case that can't be done with the normal one?
jade ermine
Unless you are using GPU block. Old O11 was unable to use MSI trio cards for example.
torn ferry
Is hardline water cooling difficult to do?
torn ferry
Where the tubes aren't the flexible kind.
jade ermine
It can be rather difficult for first timer
fleet canopy
Hard tubes. And yeah, hard tubes are kind of a pain in the ass to do
jade ermine
ZMT master race
torn ferry
Hardline is more painful due to the entire cooling system needing to be dismantled for maintenance work?
jade ermine
Its more prone to user errors
torn ferry
I just want to know if I should go with the XL or the normal case.
jade ermine
XL is the better one
fleet canopy
It's better you research how to do custom loops, how to clean it, what you must do when blah blah @torn ferry
It'll help with you deciding to do it or not
jade ermine
Loop gang
brisk badger
first of all you need to bend hard tubes properly which alone is a technique to master
torn ferry
I guess I'll stick with air or AIO.
jade ermine
That's wise. There is plenty of research to do if you are going with custom loop.
fleet canopy
It's not exactly a fun thing to work with hard tubing sometimes
Soft tubing will be easier ish
jade ermine
^
brisk badger
best price/performance are still air coolers IMO
fleet canopy
But if you don't ever want it leaking, AIO
jade ermine
My PETG had some sort of reaction with my coolant and it started cracking everywhere
fleet canopy
F
jade ermine
big mistake to get that instead of acrylic
torn ferry
I want this cooler in particular if I am going for AIO:
https://www.asus.com/us/Cooling/ROG-Strix-LC-360-RGB-White-Edition/
jade ermine
What's the point of that when Arctic liquid freezer 2 exists
better performance for half the price
torn ferry
If I want to go with air, I was thinking of this one:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wPkj4D/deepcool-neptwin-white-7434-cfm-cpu-cooler-neptwin-white
torn ferry
I wish Corsair made a white 360mm radiator.
jade ermine
fleet canopy
Same
jade ermine
im shilling this
vapid crypt
Liquid Freezer is great, but unfortunately I haven't seen them in stock anymore
jade ermine
torn ferry
How is the air cooler I sent?
torn ferry
Is there a better white air cooler?
vapid crypt
Hmm
vapid crypt
It cools just as well as the Gammaxx 400
fleet canopy
It's pretty big though
vapid crypt
Which is surprising since the Gammaxx 400 is a single tower
torn ferry
What PSU should I choose?
vapid crypt
What power supply do you have already?
torn ferry
I believe it was the Thermaltake Smart series 650W.
jade ermine
if it works idk is there reason to swap it out
Seasonic focus gx
Corsair RMx
those are great
torn ferry
What wattage do I need?
jade ermine
650W does it all
torn ferry
What does efficiency rating mean?
vapid crypt
That's how efficient the power supply can pull and convert the electricity from the wall
So a more efficient power supply will provide the same amount of power while utilizing less electricity overall
It isn't really apparent in the short term though, and you could save money going for a less efficient one. However the more efficient ones are usually better built.
torn ferry
Here is my shitty build list, now critique the shit out of it:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PzyPdm
torn ferry
It's a white card.
vapid crypt
Sure but its the color worth and extra 350 bucks?
Especially since Turing is an architecture that's gonna age about as well as Kepler soon enough
torn ferry
Kepler?
jade ermine
get 2x16GB kit if you aim for 32GB
Don't waste so much money on meme fans
Get 2070S
750W unit is not needed
idk the price difference between 3700X and 3800X there but if its more than 20 bucks get 3700X
vapid crypt
Nvidia's 600/700 cards
jade ermine
you can get faster rig for 2k
vapid crypt
They ended up aging poorly, couldn't run DX12 or Vulkan worth a damn
Turing will still run fine, but I'm mainly referring to its RTX tech that Nvidia's pushing. Ampere is gonna be a whole other level compared to that
torn ferry
What makes the QL120 a meme fan?
vapid crypt
RGB rainbow puke 
jade ermine
The fact that you can get NF-A12's for the same price
fleet canopy
Could wait for 3700/3800XT
jade ermine
obvious troll build
vapid crypt
I was gonna mention that actually, since the Matisse Refresh is coming out in July
fleet canopy
The fact that I have almost the same fan is kind of ironic
vapid crypt
So you could get that or Matisse 1 for less money
fleet canopy
It's 3000$ too, oof
jade ermine
O11XL with zero radiators
4x8gb kit
2080S for 2080TI money
400 burger tokens worth of meme fans
fleet canopy
Hah
torn ferry
Is there a white RTX 2080?
fleet canopy
Dunno
jade ermine
Seems like it and it comes with ridiculous price tag
vapid crypt
Uh I swear there was a white gigabyte card that was posted yesterday
fleet canopy
From me or him
vapid crypt
It was a 2080 or 2080 super
jade ermine
You are better off with 2070S or 2080Ti if you wanna go all out
fleet canopy
I posted a good one
torn ferry
@vapid crypt $1300 on Amazon for the white Gigabyte card for some reason.
jade ermine
jade ermine
sweet timing
fleet canopy
540$
torn ferry
How is the 2070 Super compared to the 2080?
torn ferry
Is the difference in performance noticeable?
vapid crypt
2070 Super is like ~5-7% difference
fleet canopy
If it's 4K, it'll have a good difference
torn ferry
How good are Gigabyte cards typically?
jade ermine
Good
torn ferry
Modified builds with the meme fans still included:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6TCXq3
I am a walking meme.
And I must embrace it.
fleet canopy
16GB, thought you wanted 32GB kek
torn ferry
Is 16GB enough for only games?
fleet canopy
Meanwhile I'm here possibly paying 250$ for 3200MHz CAS14 2x16GB
jade ermine
Just get china tier RGB fans and save 270$
torn ferry
Is it better to have 4 or only 2 sticks?
fleet canopy
If you're getting meme fans like I, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ydRzK8/corsair-ll120-rgb-white-with-lighting-node-pro-63-cfm-120mm-fans-co-9050092-ww
vapid crypt
If you're getting 16, its better to just get 2
torn ferry
Well this one is now $2300.
fleet canopy
I have a near identical build and I have it 2500$
I still see 3000$
Oh okay
From the joke card
torn ferry
Did I even choose the right storage or is that also all wrong?
fleet canopy
Storage is kind of ehh for that M.2 imo
jade ermine
I would not buy a single sata drive
torn ferry
What is the difference between QVO and EVO?
fleet canopy
Doesn't matter for games
It's still an SSD with DRAM
Just because it's an M.2 or a PCIe card SSD doesn't mean you're getting massive amounts of speed
Because that's a fat lie
vapid crypt
Um M.2s NVMEs might be a good investment right now actually
vapid crypt
Nah not just for boot
fleet canopy
Just get SATA 2.5" for that
vapid crypt
Absolutely for games
vapid crypt
Yeah with the PS5 utilizing it for texture streaming and what not
fleet canopy
The PS5
torn ferry
How do you choose thermal paste?
vapid crypt
Game developers will likely start using these methods in their games
torn ferry
Are fan controllers included with fan kits?
vapid crypt
It should say on the product page
torn ferry
I feel like I need the Commander Pro for the fans or use 2 Lighting Node Cores.
The one included supports up to 6 fans.
fleet canopy
If you want a white 2080 Super - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PNvqqs/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-super-8-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-n208sgamingoc-white-8gd
Any black PSU comes with black cables, but you can get custom cables from cablemod
jade ermine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Lcnhg you can thank me later
torn ferry
Another meme, the Lian Li RGB PSU cables.
fleet canopy
My are gee bee! /s
vapid crypt
What a sensible build 
fleet canopy
And nah, you can get fully white cables from there @torn ferry
fleet canopy
You can just get a black PSU if you're getting lian li dynamic
You're never going to see that anyways
torn ferry
I assumed I wouldn't see the PSU anyway.
vapid crypt
You couldn't see it in most modern cases
jade ermine
keep in mind that 2k and beyond is 2080Ti territory
i dont want to see like 2k build with 2070S ever again
fleet canopy
What about a 2K build with a 2080?
jade ermine
vapid crypt
That's a 500 dollar difference, just to put that in perspective
fleet canopy
jade ermine
if the dude has 1080p monitor he does not need anything faster than 2070S
big savings
vapid crypt
I believe he's running 1440p
torn ferry
I have a 1440p monitor.
fleet canopy
1440p 144hz
jade ermine
okay
fleet canopy
Just get gamer 2080 Super
torn ferry
The white 2080 TI from Asus is near $1500 USD on MicroCenter but in store pickup only and the only store that has it is one in California. XD
jade ermine
is it worth paying 400 extra for color?
fleet canopy
400$ more for color is fucking dumb really
torn ferry
I don't think I need a 2080 TI, so no.
jade ermine
i dont care anymore, you do you. If you don't get buyers remorse from that abomination idk where then
vapid crypt
Well we shall see in September
torn ferry
Why September?
vapid crypt
That's when the new cards are coming out, probably a paper launch I bet but still
fleet canopy
Everything releases on September
jade ermine
September hype
torn ferry
Could I buy a 2080 Ti and then paint it white?
jade ermine
And lose warranty? Not smart move
plastidip might be a solution but damn i would not do it
torn ferry
Hmm.
lilac geyser
those warranty void stickers dont matter
vapid crypt
Yeah they're bogus and can't actually be enforced
jade ermine
You can get that clean white aesthetic without painting your GPU white or paying hundreds extra
fleet canopy
Unless you do a fucky that's totally your fault
torn ferry
Reviews of the white Gigabyte card look a bit concerning.
torn ferry
Loud fans, problematic display port, and a couple that got a used card like as if they grabbed one off of returns shelf.
jade ermine
loud fans?
torn ferry
Amazon and NewEgg.
fleet canopy
If it's amazon reviews, it's meh
vapid crypt
I would more so blame someone at the warehouse at Newegg for sending a used card not so much the card itself
jade ermine
yea ignore those
fleet canopy
Never read those reviews
vapid crypt
Whenever someone has a negative experience, no matter how uncommon it might be
jade ermine
Go read real reviews
vapid crypt
They'll go leave a scalding review on the product page
fleet canopy
If you do get a used card, or a DOA card, or whoever delivered it was a pure asshole and the box is destroyed, call wherever you bought it from
jade ermine
And it can come from a total random non tech savvy person
fleet canopy
They'll give you another
fleet canopy
If you can manage 2080 Ti build and have it be 2300$, why can I do 2500-2700$ with 2080 Super kek
vapid crypt
I mean I would argue it was midrange when it came out
dreamy forum
AMD vs Intel again
https://doodle.com/poll/rbnq2muvamc58sny
abstract kite
2080 Super is a "Mid-Range" Card Kek
When the 3000 series comes out
@abstract kite
I'm banking on this being true.
I so hope it's true otherwise I would have already upgraded from my dying 1070
I am pretty sure it was already announced @abstract kite
We saw GA100 at GTC a few weeks ago
but nothing has been released (to my knowledge) about the quadro series or geforce series.
abstract kite
I noticed that I'm going to have to reroute my GPU cables when I do upgrade, as right now they're kind of squished in between my SATA cables and the GPU fans. Somehow they're not touching the fans, but sometimes it worries me lol
fleet canopy
Probably won't see one but seeing how this one improves a lot, we should see a pretty good Quadro
The cables are everywhere in my PC @abstract kite
Not one fan is at least 2 inches away from a cable
fleet canopy
Ok
abstract kite
abstract kite
Here's a better picture
It's millimeters from the fan
but not touching it, so I'm taking a pragmatic approach and not fooling with it lol
abstract kite
I wouldn't have this problem- well, minor inconvenience, if the sata ports were not positioned where they were.
I can always just make the GPU cables come from the top.
Shouldn't really affect airflow
I hope
my 3700X needs to breathe
fleet canopy
Hah
abstract kite
Hey @digital vine! What are you needing help with?
fleet canopy
Oh?
digital vine
Yea
fleet canopy
What PC is it?
fleet canopy
ah, okay
abstract kite
I'm betting 9700K or something
fleet canopy
9700K, 2060 Super, not too bad
digital vine
Yay
abstract kite
That's not a bad PC at all. That should run all the games you want at pretty good graphical settings and framerates.
fleet canopy
It'll run anything at 1080p 144hz and def can do 1440p 60+
fleet canopy
Oh I see
digital vine
I haven’t touched anything with the graphics buh
abstract kite
How big is the monitor, like in size
24", 27"?
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Lmao damn
digital vine
Idk shi
abstract kite
TL;DR
As long as your PC can produce 240 frames in a game, you can see that many frames from that monitor.
The average monitor only can reproduce 60 frames, with the exception of 144hz monitors (like mine)
digital vine
Yes I’ve downloaded cod mw gtfo n some other games
abstract kite
Basically, as long as you have G-sync enabled and your PC can handle the game, it's gonna be BUTTERY smooth.
digital vine
All ready n stuff
fleet canopy
Yeah you'll probably need to set up the stuff first though
Monitors may come still in 60Hz
All you have to do is open NVIDIA control panel, and find the setting to turn the 60 to 144-180Hz
abstract kite
sigh I feel broke now looking at this 🤣
digital vine
I’ve messed with the settings n lik the FPS was at 240 buh laggy af
abstract kite
240 shouldn't be laggy.
abstract kite
Xbox is generally 30fps with a few games running 60fps
fleet canopy
yeah
digital vine
Ik lmao
abstract kite
No console can get near that framerate
fleet canopy
If they allowed it to go past 60FPS because console can't stop being boo hoo, then it'd be neat having 60-90FPS
digital vine
Yuh
abstract kite
I'll say it this way,
With the PC specs you have and that monitor, you're good to go for years to come. 👍
fleet canopy
Years to come, sure
On the meantime, you can always research computers for your own benefit
digital vine
Yay, I’ll add yall as friends cause I’m busy atm Buh I’ll see what’s up in a bit n I’ll do so
abstract kite
Along with that, if you have any questions regarding PC stuff, don't hesitate to shoot a question here. This chat is full of rather knowledgeable people that would be more than happy to assist you.
fleet canopy
That way, next time you need some PC that's better, you'll have at least good knowledge to it and be able to put a PC together yourself
fleet canopy
abstract kite
abstract kite
I wish Nvidia would update their GUI Control Panels like AMD did.
I can see that yea.
Its not the best.
But Nvidia has somewhat better drivers half the time.
That's true
I'm willing to take the 'eh' GUI for better drivers
Well AMD and Nvidia swap places every now and again of who has the worse drivers
fleet canopy
What sold me for a 2070 Super instead of 5700XT despite prices def were about the drivers
Although never having used that RTX thing except in Warzone and soon enough CB2077, I didn’t want shit drivers and not be able to play
abstract kite
You saved yourself the trouble, but the 5700XT has came a long way.
fleet canopy
Yeah that’s true
It’s not a bad card at least, and is a much better option, but we’ll now have to see how it is in September or something like that for next lineup
abstract kite
You saved yourself the trouble, but the 5700XT has came a long way.
@abstract kite
The 5700XT's performance has me very curious of Big Navi. If AMD can fix their driver issue, they could very much cause me to make the switch.
Depending on the performance of Big Navi that is compared to the "3080"
fleet canopy
They should at least be getting something compared to 3080/Ti performance or something like that
abstract kite
1080ti will still out preform. Because reasons.
fleet canopy
But the A100 from NVIDIA probably will have some play in the game for NVIDIA pluuuus the new DLSS2.0 and possible DLSS 3.0 Only heard a mention of it once at some point, more optimized blah blah
abstract kite
I think with Nvidia going 7nm it's going to cause the 1080ti to lose it's spot as a leader.
Pascal is getting a bit dated.
abstract kite
I'm really curious about AMDs new lineup, but at the same time... "Ah shit here we go again." meme
5700XT Drivers wanted me to pull hairs
late sorrel
ah shit here we go again
yeah I like AMD but fuck no I’m not touching their drivers anymore
untill they finally get a good rep, no AMD GPU for me chief
should be what, two-four more years assuming all goes well?
abstract kite
should be what, two-four more years assuming all goes well?
@late sorrel
AMD has come a long way from times past, so I'd give them about that amount of time before we see good rep on drivers imo.
abstract kite
Ryzen 4k is something I'm excited for even though I won't upgrade soon.
3k will be good for me for a substantial amount of time.
late sorrel
I just got a ryzen 2600 w/ rx570
so I’ll probably splash out and get a 4800x
with most likely a 3070
then turn my old pc into a server
abstract kite
We have rumours of a 3750X/3850X/3800XT in the making as a 3000 refresh.
Honestly unsure if that's going to be what's replacing the lower chips with a flagship 4900X with the 4700X/4800X chips potentially releasing at a later date.
That's my best guess, because a 3000 refresh this close to 4000 confuses me.
late sorrel
weird
isn’t that the way releases work though
you do big update & then next is a optimized refresh w/ extras
B550 will be nice tho
abstract kite
For sure
late sorrel
I will most likely see if I can get a good micro ATX version and then I guess get a 3750X
abstract kite
I honestly wonder if it's wise for me to upgrade from a 3700X in the next coming year or two, or would it be wiser to wait a few generations.
From how well this chip has treated me, I really don't need to upgrade, it's more of the idea that I can
abstract kite
Yea, going to a 3070 from a 570 will be a considerable upgrade
late sorrel
mostly waiting for that tbh
no need to get 2kS if 3k is around the corner and has better RTX
abstract kite
They're generally hot AF, but I do like the look of the RTX 2K reference cards.
I just wish they had RGB that wasn't locked behind the BIOS (you can change the color of the LED on the reference cards, but you have to do a BIOS hack).
If they add that to 3k (no they wont), I might just get a launch card.
late sorrel
yes it’s a gimmik but hey, pretty lights
abstract kite
I could care less for RGB really, I just don't want a bright green GEFORCE glaring me in the eye at night.
abstract kite
very synthwave like with the lines
late sorrel
I love it
Both are just amazing
shame about thermals
but pretty
2k series has the nice space age look though
late sorrel
Yeah
abstract kite
The RTX 2K reference shrouds are made by Cooler Master
Cmon guys, you're letting others beat you in thermals and your name is cooler master 🤣
proper wren
A gold 5700xt
abstract kite
I'll probably have to wait until October or November when custom PCBs come out before I snatch a new card
dense wasp
yeah will be fun seeing what comes out this year
abstract kite
EVGA has generally been my go-to for Nvidia cards, but dang their choices in shroud design for the RTX cards felt a little odd to me.
late sorrel
sapphire novideo cards
abstract kite
Now that, I can get behind
I'd like to see XFX's crack at it too
The Thicc III is a good looking card
late sorrel
nah fuck XFX
abstract kite
lol
Compared to Sapphire, they're secondary yea, but I like their card design though.
late sorrel
true
they’re alright
bit weird shapes
Thicc III was nice
not a fan of the others
prefer sapphire’s stuff
abstract kite
If I can have an appealing, thicc, meaty cooler on a card without it being a bit gaudy (looking at you FTW3), I will be happy.
abstract kite
🤢
late sorrel
love the nitro+ though
abstract kite
Yeeeee
late sorrel
I have that for my 570
and like, it’s nice
it fills that style I want
If I can get a “THICC III” 3070 I’m buying a GPU riser
no cap
abstract kite
My CPU cooler is too big to fit a GPU riser in my PC 🤣
late sorrel
ah that will be the other problem then
abstract kite
DRP4 is a big boi
abstract kite
It's thicc, but it nice.
Acts like another set of case fans as well as a CPU Cooler
lost kiln
Welp I gotta exchange my new 2080 super :/. The card crashes after about 20 seconds of loading into the gameplay sections. Menus fine but once I touch play it’s only a bit of time before the card looses all display and the fans max out at 100% speed.
fleet canopy
Wack
lost kiln
Ya, some one thought it was my PSU but it’s a 1000W platinum so I don’t think it’s the problem
fleet canopy
Do you have another GPU?
vapid crypt
Losing display and fans maxing out... could be solved with a bios update if it has one or reinstalling drivers
Just an idea, its not necessarily a defective card. Though it could be 
abstract kite
If you don't want that 2080 I'll take it UwU
fleet canopy
I'll take it too
abstract kite
It's just a paper weight anyways. One of those garbage "Mid-range" cards.
abstract kite
Well the 3000 series will be out soon.
torn ferry
How well does a 1080 Ti hold up?
fleet canopy
It's between a 2070 Super and a 2080 iirc
torn ferry
Is it still not advised to use one for a build? Is it even produced anymore?
fleet canopy
Not produced anymore, but it's still a great card to have. You have a 2080 though, yeah?
torn ferry
Yea, but I'm still struggling on trying to figure out GPU for an all white build.
abstract kite
1080ti's are typically over 1,000 if not more.
torn ferry
I'd be a meme forever if I spent $1200 on a white 2080 Super.
I really want that white edition card from Asus.
fleet canopy
Sometimes you can find a 1080 Ti for like 800$ or something better
abstract kite
I wouldn't count on it.
fleet canopy
I've seen it sometimes
torn ferry
And I assume $1200 is overpriced for a 2080 Super?
merry bay
I got mine for 500€ a year ago(1080 Ti)
fleet canopy
Should be 700-800$
torn ferry
What makes white parts more expensive?
fleet canopy
Because yes
torn ferry
Is it more difficult to make?
fleet canopy
There's a Gigabyte white 2080 Super for like 700-800$
Nah, they just slap white and make it more expensive
It's dumb
abstract kite
You could get the 5700XT. Less powerful than a 1080, 2070 and 2080, but for it's performance it is pretty good for a deal.
fleet canopy
He already has a 2080 though
fleet canopy
In the prebuilt kek
torn ferry
I need an all white or mostly white GPU.
abstract kite
Are you serious? XD
fleet canopy
Wait for RTX 3000 then
torn ferry
I want an all white build.
abstract kite
I'm offended
torn ferry
I for sure need new RAM for the build because I don't think solid green RAM sticks fit in a white build.
fleet canopy
I do want an all white, but I'm not getting a 2080 Super if I already have 2070 Super lol
torn ferry
How to paint a graphics card and void your warranty.
abstract kite
Yeah that would void warranty so hard. Lol
brisk badger
buy a second cooler for your gpu, apply that instead when it comes to warrant :p
abstract kite
Are you going to be using water cooling?
torn ferry
Water cooling seems more taxing to do for a first ever build.
abstract kite
True
fleet canopy
AIOs are fairly more expensive, but very good
abstract kite
Get the DRP4
fleet canopy
True, black can be superior in some cases
torn ferry
I probably will just get the Deepcool Neptin White.