Yeah I kind of forgot some Qaudros are slightly cheaper
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
And I'm sure some of the higher end ones are only marginally more expensive than the titan. Like is someone is willing to spend over 3 grand for a card, they might be willing to spend over 5 grand if the use is necessary
fleet canopy
"Ok guys we made a CPU that's basically a 7700K with a cheaper price. Have fun." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJyLiI1U-BU
vapid crypt
Yeah that's the 3300X in a nutshell
vapid crypt
And the 3600 is a 8700k but cheaper 
vapid crypt
Though I guess the new i5s will be the same so whatever
fleet canopy
Yes
wise pumice
King 🔥
raven bison
hol up
fleet canopy
A chromebook is horrible >.>
It's only for work
And I don't think Steam even works on chromebooks lmao
rapid plume
On a chromebook?
molten tundra
For a while youtube was giving me nothing but unskippable chromebook ads, and it was the most infuriating thing, because I've had to use chromebooks in the past, and I'd rather use a macbook than a chromebook. Chromebooks can sometimes have decent hardware, but they tend to be crippled by the software and os they are tied to.
fleet canopy
I mean, ad blockers exist for a reason
molten tundra
And I have one on my pc, but when watching on my tablet, I don't have any real options for that. I've got plans for a small secondary rig to run a few things, including a pihole, but that's at least six months away.
And before I set it up, I need to learn a heck of a lot more about networking, and using linux.
Ouch! That sounds like what I woulda gotten on my old rig. XD
That thing struggled to run skyrim at 1080p 30fps. I let my desktop get cluttered on it, and it made skyrim unplayable.
fleet canopy
I could do 15FPS on Payday 2 at the lowest
molten tundra
Ouch. I've not played the payday games. Heard they're pretty good though.
fleet canopy
I mean, yeah
vapid crypt
The game runs pretty poorly even on good pcs depending on the map
Like I've seen something like 14 fps in certain areas of Big Bank
I have no idea why it happens
molten tundra
Really? Hmm. To me that sounds like optimization issues, but I'm still pretty new to pc hardware, and the technical side of this stuff.
fleet canopy
It is optimization issues
vapid crypt
Yeah the thing is the game runs on an ancient engine that the devs own
They like updated it so technically its 2.0, but its just not suitable I think
fleet canopy
It's an old driving game engine
vapid crypt
Diesel Engine, ironically the driving in the game is bad
late sorrel
ah yes
molten tundra
Ahhh, ok. The worst optimized game I can think of off the top of my head is subnautica. I've got a reasonably powerful rig, and barely manage to hit 60fps at 1440p.
late sorrel
reskin the forklift?
vapid crypt
Oh yeah I played Subnautica recently
late sorrel
I thought you would never ask
molten tundra
Why would they use a driving game engine for a non-driving game? That just seems strange.
vapid crypt
Uh I noticed the issues, I found it helped a lot of limit the thread count to 4
molten tundra
Also, don't get me wrong, I love subnautica, but god does it run like crap.
Really? High thread counts harm it, eh? That... could be causing issues for me, then. XD
vapid crypt
Its fairly buggy, it was annoying to have your prawn suit randomly lock up when you're walking around one of the alien structures
fleet canopy
Subnautica seems pretty good to me tbh
molten tundra
I've not had issues with my prawn suit, but one thing I avoid like the plague is floaters. I grab them specifically to fuel my bioreactor. XD
I've seen too many videos of them breaking the physics and sending players sky high with no way to get them off.
vapid crypt
I just used uh... what was that tree called. Oh Bulbo tree samples to fuel my bioreactor
Oh also regarding the Diesel Engine, the reason it was used is out of convenience. They owned the engine already and just repurposed and updated it
molten tundra
Ahh. My primary method of fuelling it, once I get far enough, is ampeels, bred in an alien containment.
vapid crypt
There was some other games it was made with, like the recent sidescroller Bionic Commando games
molten tundra
Ahhh, ok. That makes sense from a business standpoint, but I still think it's an odd choice, all things considered.
I'm far from being a game dev though, so maybe it's not as odd as I think.
Have to admit, I have never heard of bionic commando.
vapid crypt
I say recent but those games came out a while ago
But yeah it was originally an old Capcom arcade game
molten tundra
Ahhh. Damn, old games, then!
vapid crypt
These recent games I mentioned came out in the last decade or so though, the ones that used the Diesel engine
molten tundra
Ahh, ok!
proper wren
Good enough for 1080P Ultra and 1440P High
molten tundra
Looking on userbenchmark real quick, the 2060 is significantly faster, but also significantly more expensive.
molten tundra
The other thing to consider, is my understanding is that amd's graphics drivers tend to be a fair bit more buggy and unstable than nvidia's.
I know the 5600xt was a good deal from a purely hardware perspective when it launched though.
fleet canopy
You were gonna pay for like, 6000$ dude lmao
You could just use 3,000$ for an RTX 2080 Ti
proper wren
AMD drivers are usually buggy when released and they take a while for them to be fully up to date in drivers
Mayroo I went crazy yesterday from it lol
5600xt is solid on 1080P ultra and performs better than 1660ti and nearly equal to 2060
molten tundra
$6000 for a gpu? That's like, quadro territory, isn't it?
fleet canopy
No
proper wren
Titan RTX is $200 more than 2 2080ti
fleet canopy
6000$ for a fucking PC that was too damn overkill lol
It's the uhh
Orange-Hole-Of-Overprice
proper wren
If I want to run deep learning and 8K encodung and editing I would go quadro instead
molten tundra
Ahhh, ok. Yeah, the only benefit to watercooling console is lower noise, but I've never found noise to be an issue with my consoles.
proper wren
What you can do is spent $2-2.5K on a PC and $500 on PS4 someshit
I seen shitty prebuilts that are $1.4K that can do well on 1440p but it depends on what hardware
molten tundra
Exactly. I frankly overspent on my current rig, but it's also my first build, and there's a fair few things I'd do different if I knew when I started what I know now.
fleet canopy
2.5K-3K for a decked out 2080 Ti build with a 9900K/3900X or 3950X, and then a few more dollars for a console
Not really too bad
proper wren
4K editing on a titan pffft
molten tundra
Exactly. Frankly really upset with myself for getting a spectre 2.0 instead of something proven and reliable like an o11d xl. I really screwed the pooch on my case choice. Oh well, live and learn.
fleet canopy
Oof
molten tundra
Had I not been stupid, I coulda had a 3950x, a 2080ti, and a triple rad open loop. Instead I have a 1920x, a 2080, and a dual rad open loop.
proper wren
My biggest mistake was upgrading from 4770 to 1700x
molten tundra
Yeah, I've done lots of that now, but when I first picked and purchased my parts, I had been stupid about it.
proper wren
And overpriced ram
fleet canopy
Oof
proper wren
On b350f
fleet canopy
When was that?
proper wren
When ram sales were expensive as hell
molten tundra
4770? 4th gen i7?
fleet canopy
lol damn
proper wren
2017-2018
molten tundra
Myself, I went from an i5 3320m with the igpu in an old, hand-me-down business laptop, to my current rig.
Massive jump, but had I been smarter, I coulda done even better.
merry bay
If you plan to use it for games, I wouldn't go that route
proper wren
What are you using it for
tepid glacier
mostly gaming
proper wren
No.
tepid glacier
ah alright
proper wren
It used to be good not anymore
merry bay
It's not just about it not being great. Some games will just straight up crash because of missing instruction sets.
proper wren
Are you on a budget?
proper wren
Time to save up lol
tepid glacier
alright lol
proper wren
Or buy a dell refurb and slap a gpu in it
fleet canopy
There's apparently this PC that is just some crappy dell PC when you first look at it
But once you've got it, you can replace the PSU for a higher one, add in an SSD, put in a 1650/1660 and probably new RAM, that shit is gonna run anything on 1080p
proper wren
Well better psu, add ssd, gpu, oem memory
abstract kite
Is that the one that Linus reviewed?
proper wren
Linus has done it recently
fleet canopy
Yeah Linus
proper wren
And if you look further into his $69 videos yes
abstract kite
Saw the thumbnail but admittedly I wasn't interested enough to watch it
vapid crypt
I don't know if the FX cpus are missing instruction sets, but the Phenom II CPUs certainly are
merry bay
Appears they do, my bad. Half assumed it doesn't because had 3 buddies with a Phenom, a FX-6300 and a FX-8300.
All 3 would receive extremely similar crashes, later found out primary cause SSE4 not being supported.
Shouldn't take half baked conclusions online so often ^^
Bulldozers seem to support it
fleet canopy
So I haven't done one of these in a while, figured I'd do another one now that I had a 2070 Super
Falls a little under the 2020 Gaming PC now apparently
proper wren
69
proper wren
tempting to get 2080 super but I'm gonna wait it out
fleet canopy
Yeah just wait
I'd just get 3080 imo
They're supposed to be 20-30% better anyways
proper wren
3080 super
merry bay
GTC Nvidia keynote in a week
fleet canopy
Newer manufacturing, there's also what seems a legit leak now for it
merry bay
fleet canopy
Not the fake chinese ones, no
A guy took info from various sources that seemed legit, and would be more realistic, and put it together to be what it would closely seem to be for a 3080
proper wren
got news from my company if this covid situation continues 2-3 months in we're gonna be short in supplies of laptops in Canada
fleet canopy
Oof
proper wren
LG marketing team lost half of their staff
fleet canopy
Should be about 20-30% better than 2080 Super in performance I think, the ray tracing is going to be much more better now since it has fairly more RT cores now, but also DLSS 3.0, etc.
fleet canopy
What's wrong with it?
proper wren
nothing is wrong. Samsung makes everything better
fleet canopy
But I wonder why it seems you're kind of disappointed by that
proper wren
I mean it as a good unf lol
fleet canopy
Ah
proper wren
I should have said Mmmpphhh!
fleet canopy
Haha
On other hand, a score of 8427 isn't bad
Apparently invalid score because I somehow had some settings changed in the NVIDIA control panel but eh
My friend told me he had a 1080 Ti
When his PSU problem came up, he had to switch it out
Pictures and videos obv came in
Saw the card in a video
Apparently was a 1050 Ti
proper wren
hmmm
fleet canopy
I do not know how he was that blind
But well then
For now, his PSU apparently gets to the highest wattage for no reason, a 600W
proper wren
that's weird then lol
fleet canopy
Yeah
It could be a faulty PSU but yeah
And he just got a new one
Same exact PSU because idfk why
lol
proper wren
is it gold cert or bronze
proper wren
rest in piece hardware
fleet canopy
Rest in piece
knotty haven
fleet canopy
That's an R3
vapid crypt
Talking about 3080 performance, for the record the 1080 was 25% faster than the 980ti. So yeah I don't necessarily know if we would see such a large increase in performance but its certainly possible
What history has shown if we see similar gains using Maxwell to Pascal as an example, the 3070 would fall in line with 2080ti performance (While having far better RTX performance) And the 3080 would be something like 20 - 25% faster than that
proper wren
fleet canopy
One of the best cable organizing I've seen
proper wren
">be back from lunch break
usual suspect deaf guy that always comes to bby to buy shit brings this shit to tech
it doesn't work I think it's a monitor issue I'm gonna buy a monitor
doesn't even post when I turn it on
9900k with 4266MHz ram
sry bro I have 3 customers waiting outside to see a technician go see someone else
all communication done through writing on receipt paper cuz the guy is deaf.
proper wren
sad thing is I helped this guy at my store a lot
I didn't expect him to build his pc like this
fleet canopy
Damn
proper wren
@dense wasp cable management important
vapid crypt
Such high end hardware and it looks like something he threw together with no care
fleet canopy
Yeah
proper wren
case looks like 200r
vapid crypt
The heatsink is missing a fan or something? Or what's going on there
molten tundra
Oh my god that cable management is awful, I've seen better in 10 year old prebuilts!
molten tundra
Looks like the fan is taped to the back of the heatsink.
proper wren
omg one ram stick
vapid crypt
Doesn't look like a very high end cooler either, strange to get something like that for a 9900k. I always thought high end cooling is recommended to get the most out of it
fleet canopy
This is such a sad build
molten tundra
That build is brutal...
proper wren
very
vapid crypt
Yo send this to Timmy Joe, he does a roast my rig segment on his channel
fleet canopy
It SUCKS POWEAAAAA
molten tundra
Cooler appears to have a deepcool logo on it.
molten tundra
Yep. Kinda like their quadstellar chassis.
vapid crypt
Something you wouldn't use for a chip you're meant to overclock to 5ghz
tardy tinsel
it looks like somebody put extra cables in there
molten tundra
but yeah, 9900k, I personally woud use at least a 360mm aio, or a noctua nh-d15.
fleet canopy
Just a noctua, eh
I can use any air cooler >:)
Even a 30$ one
Hahahah!
I'll just undervolt it
proper wren
as long as it supports tdp
vapid crypt
That's at base clocks
molten tundra
Well, you could, but then you would be liable to thermal throttle. I know the 9900k can be a fairly hot-running chip.
vapid crypt
Its pushing far more energy than that when its boosting/oc'd to 5ghz like you would expect
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
And I can't identify the cooler, doesn't seem to be on Deep Cool's product page
proper wren
I will ask my tech on Saturday what happened lol
molten tundra
I would say ideal setup for a 9900k is an open loop cooler, with at least 4 fan's worth of total radiator.
vapid crypt
proper wren
let me grab the heatsink
vapid crypt
I think Timmy Joe would love to roast that
fleet canopy
Totally
molten tundra
Yeah, as in non-aio liquid cooling. Custom loop.
molten tundra
It'd get you good, low temps at 5ghz, for sure. Also potentially help with noise, if you get good fans and a quiet pump.
vapid crypt
Odd
fleet canopy
Or a good decent AIO or NH-D15 can supply that
It's really overkill to even get open loops imo lol
vapid crypt
I have the gammaxx 400, the one in the image doesn't have heatpipes sticking out the top like its supposed to
fleet canopy
Probably a tiny different part?
vapid crypt
Also has different indents on the top where the logo is
molten tundra
Yeah. aios and/or beefy tower coolers like the nhd15 are really good, but a good open loop will still outperform them.
vapid crypt
Ah yes Ice Blade pro v2.0
proper wren
we found dead cockroaches and spiders in one pc before
molten tundra
Eaugh, that's nasty!
proper wren
yes
proper wren
guess how old the sys was
proper wren
correct
fleet canopy
Or 10
molten tundra
Gods, it's always sad when people don't properly maintain their pcs...
fleet canopy
lol
proper wren
2
fleet canopy
That's wack
proper wren
"If I open my sidepanel it will cool faster"
fleet canopy
What kind of place dude live in
proper wren
dunno
molten tundra
Sidepanel could help, but the system will also get dusty as hell. Source: Mine runs with the side panel off.
proper wren
I'm probably gonna get a new case with no window
molten tundra
Mind you, mine is an open frame chassis, so it'd get dusty as hell no matter what, so the side panel off just makes blowing the dust out easier.
proper wren
be quiet series
fleet canopy
I mean, you might as well just light it on fire
molten tundra
I've heard good things about the be quiet cases. Heard sometimes they sacrifice a bit of airflow for noise though.
Really depends what matters to ya, and if you're willing to run a quieter, hotter system.
fleet canopy
I've never really looked into Be quiet's case too much?
vapid crypt
As long as nothing's thermal throttling shouldn't be a big deal
fleet canopy
Yeah
molten tundra
They are wholly optimized for low noise, but to achieve that, they often sacrifice airflow, and thus, temps.
Good build quality though.
fleet canopy
You could go for good air flow, being the Meshify C
Or go for something nice, like an H500 maybe
molten tundra
The meshify c is a good-looking case, too.
proper wren
h500 is death for a pc
fleet canopy
lol
proper wren
I usually recommend aio for cases like that
fleet canopy
Yeah
molten tundra
Enh, not necessarily. My buddy ran one of the mesh-fronted variants, I forget which, and he got pretty good temps on his r5 2600x, even with the stock cooler.
fleet canopy
The thing sucks nothing in or out
Unless there's a custom front panel, then that's epic
proper wren
the only place to get airflow is the top and back
vapid crypt
There's a mesh fronted H500?
fleet canopy
Maybe it's something only on their website listed
vapid crypt
Wait are you talking about cooler master or NZXT?
proper wren
nzxt
fleet canopy
Or a custom made one
proper wren
cm is good
vapid crypt
Cause there's H500s from both of them
molten tundra
As long as you avoid the acrylic front panels, you'll be fine, those are death to a system. Me? Cooler Master.
vapid crypt
Kinda confusing tbh
proper wren
CM H500 is one of the best in airflow
molten tundra
Oh, we were talking different brands. RIP. XD
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
Yeah the NZXT H500 is very different, takes the negative pressure approach to cooling. A lot don't like that
proper wren
As long as you're not going into the forbidden case known as Zalman
fleet canopy
Ok it sucks
molten tundra
Zalman? Name rings a bell, don't know anything about them offhand.
fleet canopy
Looks like one of those regular PCs but where the fuck is the holes mate
I need the holes!
proper wren
molten tundra
Oooof.
fleet canopy
"Value buyer's dream"
vapid crypt
Oh they have a mesh front panel case
fleet canopy
lol that fucking cut in like 8 sec in
proper wren
You're better off getting a cardboard box as a case
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
Doesn't look all that interesting though
fleet canopy
Ok that's actually a quite nice front panel, but yeah
molten tundra
Hmm. If it has a mesh option, it doesn't look too horrendous.
fleet canopy
Not very interesting really
molten tundra
Looks quite plain though.
vapid crypt
Its cheap, I guess that's a plus
fleet canopy
And looks like a regular H500
proper wren
Get a pc that you can put waifu decals on
molten tundra
What do you guys think about lian li's o11 dynamic family? the front intake moved to beside the motherboard and whatnot?
I've seen some really sexy open loop builds in that one.
molten tundra
XDXDXD Nice!
proper wren
there's an acrylic rgb version of her
fleet canopy
Oh?
molten tundra
That would be... Interesting? I honestly don't know offhand who senko-san is...
proper wren
ye
vapid crypt
Its fine neither do I 
fleet canopy
Not exactly the best, but it looks good seeing how dark my PC is
molten tundra
Hey, I had something like that, except it was the skyrim logo! Then one of the led's burnt out, throwing off the colors. :/
fleet canopy
Hm
proper wren
molten tundra
Honestly what I want for my build, is a 3d printed figurine of Khanivore, from love death and robots, to pop inside, because it's meant to be a themed build, but aside from my desktop wallpapers, that's not as clear as I'd like it to be.
molten tundra
The other thing I wanna do to my buidl is get a nicer psu, when I bought it, I hadn't known about psu modularity, and because my case took forever to arrive, by the time I realized my mistake, it was too late to return it and get a fully modular. :/
molten tundra
Yep.
molten tundra
My case has routing built specifically for sleeved cables though, so I've ended up with these fat fugly psu cables running right up the middle of my build.
proper wren
I can always snag cable mod coupons off the tech desk lol
fleet canopy
kek
proper wren
but cable mod has huge delays atm
fleet canopy
Snag all the damn coupons you want
molten tundra
My discord on my phone didn't want to take the picture in-app, so I had to exit right out, but that's the fugly cable in question. I'm just glad it's not ketchup and mustard.
molten tundra
Meant to be purple, but yeah.
proper wren
I had a stupid weird dream
Where I had a pcie extension for gpu and mounted the gpu above the mobo
molten tundra
Meant to be a build themed around this guy.
molten tundra
Gpu above mobo is definitely an unusual layout, but you see something sorta like it with inverted case layouts.
But yeah. End goal is to get a fully modular power supply and some custom cables to match the color scheme.
Grey, White, Black, and Purple.
fleet canopy
End goal is literally upgrade everything aside from GPU and CPU cooler
Maybe
Cause I might get an AIO if I feel like it
molten tundra
XD Fair enough! I'm hoping I can strangle 10 years outta this girl before she gets to the point that upgrades are a must. XD
fleet canopy
10 years lol
Well stuff from 10 years ago ain't looking too well
Kind of, but always really need an upgrade if it's 10 years
You'll eventually just upgrade something by then
molten tundra
True that. I'm the kind of guy to use stuff either until it breaks or it's further use becomes untenable.
My old system was a hand-me-down business laptop with an i5 3320m, dual core at 2.6ghz, and running the igpu.
As long as I can run the games I want to play at 1080p 30fps, I will be happy. XD
Right now I can run some stuff at 4k 60, but that's just pure luxury. XD
molten tundra
I've been on console for far longer than pc, so I'm ok with even my games at 1080 30.
My new rig, with the fugly psu cable, is a threadripper 1920x and a 2080, 32gigs of ram, booting off a 500gb samsung 970 evo m.2.
GTFO for example runs at 4k 60fps max settings.
But i'm likely to run this thing as-is until a game comes out that I'm interested in that can't run at 1080p 30fps lowest settings. XD
As I said, I'm hoping that point won't come for a good 8 to 10 years. XD
fleet canopy
Ah lucky you
So you don't yet have a good PC
Or you do have one and literally never use it
molten tundra
I am on it right now. XD
fleet canopy
So why must you be wondering about 1080p 30FPS
proper wren
so my tech confirmed 9900k cpu and 4266mhz memory on that asus mobo
molten tundra
I'm not. I'm saying I'm gonna keep my rig with the same parts until it gets that crappy and old.
proper wren
deepcool heatsink with cm fan
molten tundra
Beautiful case, but I don't reccommend it.
It cost me 2k canadian, and took 10 months to arrive. You would not believe how badly I wish I had gotten a lian li o11 d xl instead. XD
fleet canopy
2K canadian? Shouldn't that be a bit more?
Or am I getting the specs wrong lmfao
Custom cooled CPU, seems GPU got nothing custom
9900K
molten tundra
The case alone was 2k. Not including the other parts.
molten tundra
2080 regular.
fleet canopy
Ok that's just fucking dumb
molten tundra
First build, mistakes were definitely made.
molten tundra
Had I known when I started what I know now, I woulda done a few things different.
molten tundra
Had I not blown so much budget on case, I coulda had a 3950x and a 2080ti.
molten tundra
Like I said, really wish I had gotten a lian li o11 d xl.
fleet canopy
And unless you really want it, 200-300$ isn't too bad for a case DEPENDING what the case is
molten tundra
Still a beautiful case, better radiator support, and costs a fraction of the specter.
fleet canopy
lol
molten tundra
But hey, live and learn, right?
fleet canopy
Yeah I guess
molten tundra
That's the one!
fleet canopy
I bought 1060 3GB as my first GPU, was like "yeah my boy, gonna fucking uhh"
"Shit"
proper wren
Lian Li is top notch quality
molten tundra
You can fit three triple rads in that thing, and still get a beautiful view of the internals.
fleet canopy
Brother comes in, buys me some neat parts like 7700K, 2x8GB 2400MHz CAS16, Corsair Carbide Spec-03, some shit HDD
And the classic 30$ CPU cooler that's pretty much not a budget cooler anymore unless it's not AMD
proper wren
at least is not AMD's old cooler lineup
fleet canopy
lol
molten tundra
1060 and 7700k is pretty good. I would say an ssd woulda been better, but an hdd will get you by.
fleet canopy
I now have a 1TB 860 EVO
molten tundra
Nice.
proper wren
molten tundra
Those are amd's old coolers?
proper wren
oh yeah~
fleet canopy
Not bad design
proper wren
molten tundra
And yeah, my new rig is all ssd, I have a 500gb 970 evo for boot, and a 2tb 860 qvo for mass storage. Thing's so friggin' snappy!
fleet canopy
But can see how it's not good
proper wren
8350 heatsink
fleet canopy
I want to try getting a 1TB NVME M.2, and a 2TB 2.5" SSD
molten tundra
Can definitely tell it's a box cooler. XD
fleet canopy
Def not fucking Samsung for any SSD though, too expensive
molten tundra
Western Digital has some pretty good drives.
fleet canopy
Only budgeting what seems fair, so trying to land like a good cheap SSD that's 2TB and not as expensive as Samsung
molten tundra
Well, the biggest thing I would look for, is making sure it has a dram cache. My understanding is that without one, the ssd's performance will degrade as it fills up, eventually slowing down worse than an hdd.
fleet canopy
Well I dunno if an 860 Evo has it
kek
I assume it does since Samsung is one of the top tier you can get for speed and probably reliability
proper wren
Can't wait to go to work on Saturday to see what new products I missed
molten tundra
I can't imagine it not having a dram cache. Typically the only ones that will be dramless are the ultra cheap, off-brand ones, and even some of them can, as linus found out in his video about the fattydove racing ssd. That was a pretty funny video. XD
fleet canopy
lmao
molten tundra
New products? Where do you work?
fleet canopy
Pee See Warld
proper wren
Canada Computers
molten tundra
Ahhh, nice!
proper wren
It's a comedy slice of life there
fleet canopy
Bunch of dummies, disgusting shit in PCs, and stuff?
molten tundra
I put an application in at memory express, but then the world exploded, and I never heard back. :/
molten tundra
Oh gods, no... Those are just bad pairings.
fleet canopy
So a high end with a b450 which isn't too bad I assume, depending how good the motherboards are
2080 Ti and an offbrand PSU, ehhh
molten tundra
Just because the system will boot like that, doesn't mean it should run.
fleet canopy
AssRock
proper wren
They have $35 mail in rebate
molten tundra
if you get a ryzen 9, for god's sake, pair it with x570.
proper wren
but you void their warranty service with them in the process
proper wren
intel locked at 2666mhz if you dont xmp
fleet canopy
kek
proper wren
I remember having a customer
fleet canopy
"Why PC not on?"
proper wren
"ddr4 ram should work with ddr4 mobo"
proper wren
he's half right
fleet canopy
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
molten tundra
Are Asrock's boards that bad? I was considering their fatality b450 itx for a secondary rig running one of the ryzen apu's for a combination minecraft server, network-attached adblocker, and nas. If their boards have bad reliability, I will look elsewhere though.
proper wren
Asrock is decent
fleet canopy
Asrock is okay
molten tundra
Oh, ok.
fleet canopy
I'd recommend Tomahawk
proper wren
just that their manufacture warranty is trash
fleet canopy
Because that's about all I know is a good b450 board
molten tundra
Ahhh, I never bother with warranties, they're always too much of a pain in the ass.
Tomahawk... That's an msi, right?
merry bay
That's a pretty fair expectation when the box says one speed and then it doesn't work. Too bad reality isn't that simple
fleet canopy
Yeah MSI
But pretty good specs for a b450
I know anything good for PCs
But motherboards
Oh boy I'm just bad with motherboard pickings
molten tundra
Alright. As long as it's not super-expensive, the idea with the secondary system is to be a cheap, low-power system for just network-based tasks.
As for the ram, if the sticks are rated for 3200, they should be able to run at lower speeds, right? My sticks are rated for 3200, but I couldn't get them to post past 3000, because first gen ryzen memory controller's a bitch.
fleet canopy
kek
molten tundra
Him getting 3200 mhz when his board doesn't support that is just gonna be a waste of money because his sticks won't be running at their full potential, right?
fleet canopy
Yeah
molten tundra
Yeah. So if he wants to be stupid and waste money on faster ram than he could ever use, I say let him. The only one he's hurting is himself.
molten tundra
Jesus... Bottleneck central much? that's so horribly unbalanced.
fleet canopy
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be*
molten tundra
RIP. XD
All I can think is pairing a 3950x with a 1660ti, and I'm dying inside at how awful that would be.
fleet canopy
Not awful actually
molten tundra
Maybe. Huge gpu bottleneck though.
fleet canopy
Nah, really only a CPU bottleneck
You can have a high end CPU with a mid range GPU for things that need more of that CPU power though
molten tundra
I feel like it's the reversed counterpart to when linus put a titan rtx on a lattepanda alpha.
fleet canopy
Like maaaaassive games requiring heavy CPU power, or a server
And unless there's something that GPUs can help with servers, just don't really need much of the GPU tbh
molten tundra
True. For cpu based workstation stuff, that'd be a perfectly fine build, but for general gaming, you'd run into gpu bottlenecking more often than not.
fleet canopy
Servers such as LMG in a way, or some shit like that
You won't even get a GPU bottle neck lol
molten tundra
True that. I'll be right back, imma grab a glass of antifreeze.
fleet canopy
Only thing getting a bottleneck is the CPU
Unless of course
Total Warhammer 40K
I think
molten tundra
Well, the 3950x is so much stronger than the 1660ti, th gpu will struggle to keep up with the cpu in a lot of cases, like the witcher 3, subnautica, gtfo, and many others. Thus, major gpu bottlenecks. I could see it being less of an issue with really cpu-heavy games, like rts games, but even those, I'd expect the gpu to be working harder than the cpu.
proper wren
molten tundra
True. Low res definitely eases the gpu load. I find it offputting to run at something like 720p or lower though. Something about it just keeps me from being able to immerse like I used to. When I go back and try to play some of my old ps2 games, trying to immerse myself in the games is so much harder than I remember it being...
molten tundra
Fair enough.
molten tundra
Definitely a site that looks a bit sketchy, even at first glance.
proper wren
All their systems have thermaltake psu 80+
fleet canopy
lol so picky on their brand
proper wren
Is not bronze or gold or anything
fleet canopy
Oh
proper wren
I am picky to protect meh customers
fleet canopy
Just 80+
proper wren
is just 80+ on a $1800 CAD pc
molten tundra
Thermaltake's psu's aren't bad, but my biggest thing is the gpu's. For an $1800 build, you should be getting a 2070 at the least.
fleet canopy
Imo it's a perfect one, not too less, not too much
proper wren
It depends on the lineup of the psu
fleet canopy
1500$, can get 3600/3700X and 2070 Super
molten tundra
Exactly.
proper wren
Sheds tear
fleet canopy
Or a 99$ build
molten tundra
Prebuilts and si systems are just a bad deal. It honestly sucks that so many people are scared of building a pc. A basic level of care is all that's really needed, beyond that, it's like adult lego. Plus, there's so many guides out there, both what to do, and, one in particular shows what not to do, even!
proper wren
#$69 gaming pc
fleet canopy
Yeah it's just kind of a sore to encourage them to build
molten tundra
That one was just funny to me. Impressive though, what can be done by upgrading a prebuilt.
fleet canopy
So long as they don't glue the fucker together during the building process at the company
molten tundra
Yeah, that's a dick move. So, I'm curious. Both of you have been listing prices in cad. are you both in canada?
fleet canopy
American, never said CAD
molten tundra
Oh. My bad.
fleet canopy
And if it's cause of the dollar sign at right of number, that's just my preferences
molten tundra
Just Poddy that was listing cad prices. I see that now.
fleet canopy
Because I feel like $543892802 is dumb
molten tundra
I don't really care which side of the number the dollar sign is on. XD
fleet canopy
So it's pretty much 5959$ thing
molten tundra
Ye.
fleet canopy
It's a required thing in A m e r i c a to do $432
molten tundra
Ooooof.
Honestly, one of the things I find funniest is when an american rags on a canadian for doing something different, only to realize it's actually america that does that thing different than the rest of the world. Like metric vs imperial, that's the funniest shit to me.
fleet canopy
I think it's fine to do it? Generally not acceptable
America is just Dumbass-Burgerland
molten tundra
I never put much thought into it. As long as the sign is there somewhere, who cares where it is?
American are very honest people, but they can be oblivious as hell.
molten tundra
As in they aren't aware of stuff going on elsewhere.
fleet canopy
Hah
molten tundra
Like when an american thinks canada is weird and backwards for using metric, when it's actually america that's the outlier in that regard.
fleet canopy
America is def weird
But then again
The currency not in America is weird in a way
molten tundra
Understatement of the century, right there.
fleet canopy
Surprised to see how the currency of the world reaaaallllly affects something
molten tundra
America has tied itself so tightly to the global economy, yet so many of it's people are utterly oblivious to what's actually going on in the rest of the world.
fleet canopy
PC stuff is considerably more expensive in Canada, considerably cheaper in Asia-ish,
You could just not be in America anyways
molten tundra
Oh yeah, pcs in canada are pricey. Between us literally having 10% of the population of the states, and out dollar being so weak compared to usd, pcs are just plain pricey.
Yeah, I'm about to head out too. G'night guys.
merry bay
Afterburner doesn't detect my GPU anymore. Any ideas?
Device manager and Nvidia control panel still see it, GPU-Z sees sensors, games run ok, the card still functions. It's just an issue with Afterburner(it seems)
Started happening since the latest windows update.
Updating Afterburner didn't help.
proper wren
whats your gpu
when was the latest afterburner update
did you try using the previous version
merry bay
1080ti, after reinstalling the version in my downloads folder(no idea how old), didn't help - just updated to latest
Not sure if there's much point going older versions, but I guess I can try
Afterburner runs, just all values are 0, as it doesn't detect any GPU.
proper wren
did you play Valorant
merry bay
yep, a bit
late sorrel
Yup, battleEye sucks & hates it too
merry bay
great, snooping around I can kinda overlook, making sure I don't have any tools on before launching Valorant - I can overlook. But it messing with things all day is a little far ^^
proper wren
it happens
merry bay
Really annoying part is shutting off Vanguard and launching it again requires a reboot, since it likes to load in parts before the OS. Can't just stop and relaunch a service
proper wren
Asus Aura Sync does it for me when I try to play Halo Collections
I have to disable it
merry bay
Thanks, hoped it'd be something simpler. I like the game but it stopping everything that relies on low-level drivers is testing my patience.
merry bay
Unticking Enable low-level IO driver puts things back to normal, kinda. Still a little unhappy about Vanguard having its tendrils everywhere
lilac geyser
imagine hating the system of units a country uses
fleet canopy
Imagine being in America
lilac geyser
he did not really understand that in almost all technical fields in America the metric system is used
merry bay
Really strange how Ryzen 3000 without an IGP isn't supported on X370/B350/A320, but is a-ok when with an IGP.
You'd think the more complex part wouldn't have support
vapid crypt
It isn't strange because despite the name it isn't the same node
They use the same Zen+ architecture that Ryzen 2000 does
It was the same with the apus in the previous gen, those used Zen 1 architecture
merry bay
I'm surprised they got next to no flak for that. Not an easy detail to spot, given the names.
But it does make more sense now
vapid crypt
Nah not at all, it makes sense since its a different product technically
Like the Athlon processor, since its their lowest end product still uses first gen Zen architecture
Despite being named 3000G
Its not something they've hidden or anything either, they've been clear about it
molten tundra
I'm well aware many industries in the states use metric, but the official system is imperial, hence cars using miles, gas stations using gallons, and so on. As a result, many people in the states know imperial but not metric. There is a not-insignificant number of people there that do not realize most of the world uses metric. That is what I was commenting on.
Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed that b550 won't support the 2nd gen apus, I had been planning on using that setup for a budget network rig with a good upgrade path, but that looks not to be the case.
fleet canopy
It does support 2nd gen
Or does it only support third gen?
ok nvm
But that's just strange
Ok I'm confuse!
molten tundra
From the sounds of it, b550 will only support 3rd gen and later, 4th gen chips, whilst x570 also supports second gen.
vapid crypt
The 4000 APUs are gonna be Zen 2 architecture most likely considering they are always a node behind the rest of the stack
So that would most likely work on a B450 board
merry bay
not sure if it's cool or it's a monstrocity
mobo with an integrated 1050 Ti 4GB
B150
eternal cairn
How do you use a MOBO GPU for gaming though?
eternal cairn
You might as well just buy a regular motherboard and 1050 TI, plug the GPU in, and call it the same thing.
Is there another GPU slot or is that it?
vapid crypt
No, but its a very compact design, so you could fit this into a fairly slim case
From the looks of it, it uses laptop memory; that's odd 
eternal cairn
The only problem is that you won't get any money from the GPU and you'll have to sell the entire thing if you want to upgrade.
fleet canopy
Not odd if you're living in Asia 
eternal cairn
Richer parts* of Asia.
It is still a cool concept, but isn't that basically an APU without the processor and RAM?
vapid crypt
It wasn't an uncommon thing to have some kind of graphics chip on the motherboard in the 90s, usually it would be enough to play any 2d game from that era. You would get a dedicated graphics card for the 3d games when they started being more common
lilac geyser
The Warden: literally only you could that happen to
how do pc compoennt manufacturers get away with using the cheapest thermal paste that turns to mud 3 years later?
lilac geyser
easy planned obso
fleet canopy
Some dude went with a 5.5GHz on a 3300X
late sorrel
oh lawd
proper wren
I need an Oculus to play Ikea VR Experience
jade ermine
That poor 3300X getting beat up
proper wren
https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1920_1923&item_id=168422 ADATA MAKES LAPTOPS NOW?!?!? nani
fleet canopy
Ah da da?
3K CAD for a 9750H and 2070 with 32GB DDR4
I wonder, is that even that high of a price, being 3,200$?
rapid plume
It is
proper wren
That's Adata, I seen $1800 laptops with 2070
rapid plume
But it’s also a laptop
fleet canopy
Well then fucking overpriced?
proper wren
yes
fleet canopy
Considering the specs, it does seem quite overkill
proper wren
proper wren
I dislike the strix laptops
proper wren
yeah but you can upgrade it yourself
fleet canopy
True
proper wren
probably gonna replace my nitro 5 for a thin and light
fleet canopy
The Ayy Em Dee
molten tundra
I was reading an article yesterday about someone getting the 3100x oc'd to 6ghz, just shy of the record for all of ryzen, the record being the 3950x at 6.1ghz.
brisk badger
those records are often tricky to interpret
most likely they disable many physical cores
molten tundra
Quite possibly. I don't know what the exact config was on the 3950x at 6.1, but either way, that shows the 3100 to be a good overclocker.
brisk badger
yes and no. if you give voltages like 1.7v doesn't mean the CPU is good for overclocking (like in the picture someone sent above). It's just someone going nuts and applied a ridiculous amount of volt
it maybe is still a better than others but applying this much you can get most CPU's to perform at around this level. For a short time 😛
having a 3950x at 6100MHz with all or only half of the cores is impressive though
molten tundra
True. Lemme see if I can find that article, I'll send a link. I know it was on ln2, so regular users aren't gonna get anywhere near. But regulat users can still squeeze a nice bit of extra performance out of it though.
brisk badger
yea I agree, for normal OC the 3100 is probbaly still great
molten tundra
Yup. It honestly looks like really impressive value for money.
signal meadow
eh, overall and for price I'd say yes
stark plover
nice
vapid crypt
THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
obsidian bobcat
Didn’t they get an amd cpu you like 8GHz
rapid plume
When?
fleet canopy
Guy is pretty cool
I believe it's an AMD FX-8350
Yeah
Those CPUs were overclocking king back in the day if I remember right
And not another CPU has overclocked like this since then
He says it was the top 15 when he got the CPU
Pretty lucky
stark plover
"As of 2014, the Guinness World Record for the highest CPU clock rate is an overclocked, 8.723 GHz AMD Piledriver-based FX-8370 chip. It surpassed the previous record achieved in 2011, an 8.429 GHz AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer-based chip."
proper wren
vapid crypt
That is super accurate, I kinda feel bad for a buddy of mine I think he got his system a little while ago several months after I did. And I guess whoever he got advice from lead him the wrong way since he got an i5, presumably a 9th gen one.
proper wren
9600k and 8600k I say would be still reasonable to still keep
just overclock it lol
than again the overclocking you can do on the 3300x
fleet canopy
Overclocking the 7700K, it can beat a 3300X
torn ferry
I currently have an 8700k.
vapid crypt
I suppose in my buddy's case if he got a good motherboard he would be able to upgrade to the 9900k
torn ferry
Isn't anything above 8 cores less efficient for games?
vapid crypt
Depends on the game, but most modern ones don't have an issue with that
torn ferry
And I mean gaming only, not for a mix of productivity and gaming.
vapid crypt
Like if the game can allocate threads properly it doesn't matter. A lot of games rely on single core performance, though in the past few years that's changing. You have games utilizing a lot more threads, but yeah as long as the clock speeds are good its fine.
torn ferry
And I've been considering doing a case swap and perhaps going for a new build entirely if I am able to salvage the graphics card I have.
vapid crypt
Able to salvage it? What do you mean? What's wrong with it?
torn ferry
Been considering switching to AMD when 4th gen drops.
vapid crypt
5th gen is gonna be a new socket anyhow, 8700k is still gonna be a good processor for a good while
If you're looking to upgrade, upgrade your graphics card if you feel the need to. That is say if you're not satisfied with your current performance
torn ferry
I have a 2080, and 2080 Ti seem negligible to upgrade to from 2080.
vapid crypt
Yeah that'll be fine for a while too then, but I mean if you are unhappy with the performance you're getting later on
torn ferry
I don't intend to move past 1440p.
vapid crypt
So I would say don't bother switching to AMD right now, we're nearing EOL for the AM4 socket. 4th gen is gonna be the last one on that socket most likely. By 5th gen, Intel would have rocket lake, or alder lake whatever the hell its called out and you could decide on what to get then
fleet canopy
Speaking of, is it worth it to upgrade from the 2070 Super assuming a 7700K can handle a 3080 or something like that?
torn ferry
I kind of want to upgrade anyway since I am currently using a prebuilt and if I want to accomplish my dream of working in IT, I need to know how to dismantle and put together a PC as well as self-service it.
fleet canopy
It's not too hard
vapid crypt
I mean its a good card, and AMD has shown 4 core/8 threads is the new entry level. Though it depends on the games we're talking about, considering thread use are gonna get up there. The new consoles are using the Zen architecture with 8c/16t processors, and for sure devs are gonna utilize those cores
vapid crypt
Well there is one build guide you should never follow
fleet canopy
Only difference will depend on the case, unless you watch a video showing a build with the exact case
torn ferry
Do PCs break as easily as trying to install an iMac Pro VESA mount kit?
fleet canopy
Depends
fleet canopy
Well there was a "Genius Bar" of a Mac
torn ferry
It's a joke referring to how poorly serviced the iMac Pro was.
fleet canopy
It was the worst piece of fucking shit you could have
torn ferry
Such as when Linus broke his and they refused to fix it even when Linus was clearly willing to pay to fix it,
vapid crypt
They just cracked the screen or something right
torn ferry
Yea.
torn ferry
Or remember when Snazzy Labs broke the VESA kit twice due to poor design?
fleet canopy
Only thing imo is worth is a fairly priced phone
torn ferry
And apparently the VESA kit is not actually made by Apple.
vapid crypt
That's pretty silly that they aren't willing to repair/replace the panel without having to jump through hoops
torn ferry
It's actually produced by a third party company that is certified by Apple.
So you can't get it repaired if Apple doesn't have access to the parts.
Anyway, I want to do a PC build, but I am struggling on choosing a case.
torn ferry
Mostly white build if all white is impossible.
fleet canopy
Yeah but do you really need EATX?
torn ferry
No.
fleet canopy
Well I'm sure you're going full air
Couldn't exactly find much that were too good https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-meshify-c-white-tg-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352087
torn ferry
Full air?
fleet canopy
Only air cooling
Or an AIO at least
But you get what I mean
Ooh, apparently they have different colors for Meshify C front panel
vapid crypt
EATX is a weird form factor, cause there isn't a consistent standard for it
torn ferry
Is there such thing as a good all tempered glass case?
vapid crypt
I don't know about good
fleet canopy
If you do water cooling, yeah
But that's kind of tough
There is one, however
But it's got quite a price
vapid crypt
I've seen some interesting glass cases where they have the coolant running through the case
fleet canopy
Because of all the panels being tempered
torn ferry
And probably a stupid question, but is an all ROG build overpriced to the brim?
fleet canopy
Uhhhh
Lemme check
It sort of isn't?
A little bit, but I'd def buy it if I could
vapid crypt
Most likely
fleet canopy
Dunno about the performance
vapid crypt
They mark up for the brand
torn ferry
The ROG Helios case is like near $300 USD.
vapid crypt
Oh I forgot they were making cases now
fleet canopy
lol 800$ 2070 from Asus
vapid crypt
I don't know if I would rely on an Asus case, I'm pretty sure they only just started making them a year ago
torn ferry
Their new case was pretty awful, the ROG Z11.
torn ferry
The main gimmick being the motherboard is at an 11 degree angle.
vapid crypt
I saw that thing its just weird
torn ferry
Though a white graphics card would be cool to have in an all white build.
vapid crypt
Its a good card for a while for sure, as long as you aren't concerned with the RTX crap they've been pushing
torn ferry
I assume you can't just trade a graphics card for another one?
vapid crypt
Uh I'm not aware of any service that does that
torn ferry
It's of the MSI Ventus OC line.
late sorrel
yeah they don't do trade ins
fleet canopy
A 2080 is such a good card to have, and I see no reason to switch that
late sorrel
but yes, a white one would be nice
fleet canopy
Never really heard of trade-ins for anything
fleet canopy
White does seem nice, might get those next time but they didn't really have too much of that at the time
torn ferry
And is it normal there's like a section of grating missing in the center of the card on the side?
I think it's grating, I don't know.
I just noticed that.
fleet canopy
??
fleet canopy
Seems pretty normal
vapid crypt
The fin stack you mean?
fleet canopy
Yeah he might mean that small gap in the middle
torn ferry
What purpose does it serve?
fleet canopy
They're heatsinks from the looks of it
Normal to be like that
If you looked at current CPU coolers, they have fins and there's usually a fan over most of the fins
You can see how the fan is pretty much around the whole thing
vapid crypt
I don't understand the structure of a gpu heatsink, but maybe there's something there they don't want to be covered by the fin stack
fleet canopy
torn ferry
How much would I even get if I sold the RTX 2080 that I have?
fleet canopy
It seems like the most normal thing to be like that really
You could sell it for a 500-600 price?
700$ is like their MSRP I think
torn ferry
How much is the white RTX 2080?
vapid crypt
If you sold it now, probably around 500 ish
vapid crypt
I would need to look at pricing
torn ferry
Is it even still widely available?
fleet canopy
Are somewhere else, so depends
Any RTX 2000 GPU is widely available
Just depends where you are really
torn ferry
US.
fleet canopy
So you should be able to get it
But I still recommend just painting the shroud and fan on it
torn ferry
Nearest Microcenter to me is in Detroit, but I think it's a bad idea to travel to one of the virus epicenters.
late sorrel
yeah so the thing is
the fin stack on the side is for air to go out
it's just due to the way the graphics card is structured
fleet canopy
Yeah that makes sense
late sorrel
if you have case fans, that extra hot air will go out pretty quick
fleet canopy
The fins kind of does block a bit of airflow in a way
late sorrel
Blower coolers, sucked it in and then out the back (where the hdmi ports are)
that wasn't the best way to cool gpus
so now they have the fin stack w/ two fans pushing air into the heatsink/fins
torn ferry
The cases I've been considering for my build is the iCue 465X and the Thermaltake View 71.
vapid crypt
Blower coolers have their place, but generally inferior. As it is they're only good in small form factor builds where the temps in the case would be a concern
late sorrel
Have you looked at the Corsair Crystal series?
torn ferry
The 570X?
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
Don't exactly like it too much?
I don't see a lot of ways for air to even do anything there
fleet canopy
Yeah, it's nice
torn ferry
What is the difference between that and the iCue 465X aside from included RGB fans and fan hub?
torn ferry
680X?
vapid crypt
But the air flow 
torn ferry
That's near $300 too.
late sorrel
facts
torn ferry
How is the Lian Li 011 Dynamic? From first glance I still feel weird about the front fans being on the side now.
fleet canopy
Not worth unless you like to do some OC with it
torn ferry
And the View 71 seems to have a problem with the panel screws easily getting double threaded?